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EPA Eliminates Key Emissions Rule | Can U.S Grow Its Way Out of Debt? · The Bill Handel Show

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  Speaker 1: You're listening to Bill Handel on demand from KFI AM 640.
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  Speaker 2: KFI AM 640 Bill Handel on a Tuesday morning, September 15th.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the war in Iran continues on. What a shocker.
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  Speaker 2: And the stock market is down, the Dow down 350
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  Speaker 2: points or so, so far, but it's just opened up. Now,
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  Speaker 2: a story about the EPA sort of changed the way
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  Speaker 2: it views the world. Environmental Protection Agency, you tend to
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  Speaker 2: think as protecting the environment and protecting it from global warming. Well,
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  Speaker 2: the Trump administration views the EPA very differently.
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  Speaker 1: What the EPA.
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  Speaker 2: Does and what it's supposed to do, as far as
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  Speaker 2: they're concerned, is to eliminate protections for the environment based
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  Speaker 2: on two premises. Number one, climate change is a hoax.
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  Speaker 2: The president has said climate change is the biggest con
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  Speaker 2: job that has ever been perpetrated on the American people.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how many people agree with him. And
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  Speaker 2: so therefore, did you know last year he reduced, he
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  Speaker 2: eliminated all of the controls on cars and trucks in
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  Speaker 2: terms of pollution control, their mileage, gone for the most part.
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  Speaker 2: California still has some restrictions, but he's fighting those too.
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  Speaker 2: And so, you know what, I can see the logic here.
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  Speaker 2: I don't agree with it. I think it's kind of nuts.
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  Speaker 2: But I can see the logic in arguing that if
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  Speaker 2: you remove protections, in this case coal-fired and natural-fired power plants,
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  Speaker 2: remove all the environmental protections, just let them go free
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  Speaker 2: in terms of controlling emissions that come out of those.
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  Speaker 2: And the premise is political because it breaks down to,
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  Speaker 2: once again, polarization. And that is you've got Texas, you've
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  Speaker 2: got other states that produce a lot of oil and
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  Speaker 2: produce a lot of gas. You've got Virginia, et cetera,
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  Speaker 2: and with the coal mines. And Trump likes that industry, drill, baby, drill.
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  Speaker 2: And he hates alternative energy. Why? Because alternative energy is
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  Speaker 2: pushed far harder among Democrats and liberals than it does
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  Speaker 2: among conservatives.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, we know that. That is your premise.
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  Speaker 2: What I don't get, I truly don't understand, is that
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  Speaker 2: he is doing everything he can to undo alternative energy.
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  Speaker 1: Everything he can.
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  Speaker 2: Passing laws, stopping funding for the alternative energy plants, wind power,
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  Speaker 2: solar power, all gone. All of those protections or all
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  Speaker 2: of those protections. advantages of alternative power, mainly climate change, right?
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  Speaker 2: There's no emissions when it comes to wind power or
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  Speaker 2: it comes to, let's say, you got power, ocean power
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  Speaker 2: out there using the waves, a lot of technology going
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  Speaker 2: on in there. And what he said is, first of all,
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  Speaker 2: revoking the Biden era power plant rule is those controls
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  Speaker 2: that stopped the fossil fuels from being put into the
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  Speaker 2: air would save the industry, that is the oil and
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  Speaker 2: gas industry, coal industry, more than $ 300 billion in costs,
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  Speaker 2: and help unleash American energy.
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  Speaker 1: This is what EPA said.
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  Speaker 2: The change would allow utilities to make the best decision
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  Speaker 2: for the ratepayers. based on cost and cost savings instead
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  Speaker 2: of being required to shut down facilities because under biden
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  Speaker 2: and obama uh if uh the coal and uh the
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  Speaker 2: coal powered or the coal fueled power plants and the
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  Speaker 2: natural gas power plants if they didn't meet emissions controls
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  Speaker 2: they were going to be shut down and they were
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  Speaker 2: on the way to being shut down matter of fact
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  Speaker 2: one was on the way one coal plant was on
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  Speaker 2: the way to being shut down and the president forced
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  Speaker 2: it to stay open which I think is kind of interesting,
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  Speaker 2: but I want you to look at this quote.
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  Speaker 1: And that is that revoking these.
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  Speaker 2: Power plant rules would help unleash American energy. So undoing,
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  Speaker 2: stopping alternative energy at its core unleashes American energy.
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  Speaker 1: Explain that to me.
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  Speaker 2: How stopping a major part of alternative energy unleashes the
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  Speaker 2: energy that Americans use. So, for example, California has 30
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  Speaker 2: percent of its power electricity and is produced by alternative energy.
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  Speaker 1: Here in the state.
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  Speaker 2: If you shut down those alternative energy which means 30%
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  Speaker 2: is the only way to make it up, is to
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  Speaker 2: supplant it with coal-fired, natural gas-powered, emission-causing power plants. That
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  Speaker 2: is better for the economy than allowing alternative energy while
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  Speaker 2: pushing the power plants the way the Trump administration wants.
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  Speaker 2: I understand what he's doing politically. I just don't understand
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  Speaker 2: the utter, utter hypocrisy. Or the argument is stopping energy
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  Speaker 2: being produced is good for creating energy.
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  Speaker 1: You would think it'd be simultaneous.
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  Speaker 2: But the argument is if you stop alternative energy and
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  Speaker 2: give coal and natural gas and oil production, which produces,
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  Speaker 2: of course, natural gas.
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  Speaker 1: If you stop.
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  Speaker 2: All alternative energies, and all we have is emissions that,
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  Speaker 2: or non-emissions that, well, emissions that are produced by the
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  Speaker 2: power plants, and they don't have any more controls, they're
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  Speaker 2: going to build more, they're going to produce more, and
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  Speaker 2: therefore it unleashes the American energy. I guess you'd have
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  Speaker 2: to say it unleashes American energy in power plants, right?
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  Speaker 1: That produce emissions. And why?
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  Speaker 2: Because emissions, which cause climate change, is a complete utter hoax. Now,
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  Speaker 2: that's not the way the electorate sees it. The majority
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  Speaker 2: of Americans say, oh, climate change is there. There's no
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  Speaker 2: question about it. And climate change is caused by power plants.
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  Speaker 2: So a huge amount, also cars, which the president is
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  Speaker 2: taking away all of the controls in terms of the pollutants.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's kind of crazy. It really is. So
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  Speaker 1: the EPA is now there to eliminate protections. I don't
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  Speaker 1: get it. I don't get it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I do get it, I guess. I just don't
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  Speaker 2: get how people can buy that. that climate change is
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  Speaker 2: a hoax. Let me ask you, do a huge number
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  Speaker 2: of Republicans who back the president, do they nod and say,
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  Speaker 2: that's right, climate change doesn't exist? They're in the Midwest
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  Speaker 2: and their house is floating away.
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  Speaker 1: Nope, climate change is a hoax.
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  Speaker 2: They're in Miami and a major hurricane hits or along
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  Speaker 2: the Gulf.
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  Speaker 1: Nope, climate change is a hoax. None of this is real.
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  Speaker 1: All right, talk about trouble. The U.S.
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  Speaker 2: Economy, as you know, is in big trouble. We just
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  Speaker 2: hit $ 40 trillion national debt. Now, $ 40 trillion is a
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  Speaker 2: huge number, but it's one of those psychologically important numbers.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, big deal. $ 39. 9 trillion is not as bad
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  Speaker 1: as $ 40 trillion.
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  Speaker 2: And when the stock market hit $ 50, 000, what, that's.
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  Speaker 1: A much bigger deal than $ 49, 500.
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  Speaker 2: It isn't.
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  Speaker 1: It's just a question of degree. It's incremental.
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  Speaker 2: But at $ 40 trillion and a trillion-dollar deficit going through
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  Speaker 2: every year, we are looking at unsustainable debt. It's that simple,
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  Speaker 2: unsustainable debt. And how do you get out of it? Now,
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  Speaker 2: the administration has an idea of how to get out
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  Speaker 2: of it, which makes absolutely no sense whatsoever unless– We
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  Speaker 2: change the way we spend money in this country, and
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  Speaker 2: we are not changing.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know.
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  Speaker 2: Republicans used to be deficit hawks? When the Democrats were
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  Speaker 2: in power, the amount of money that was being spent, deficit,
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  Speaker 2: beyond what income was coming in every year was insane.
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  Speaker 2: It is now much bigger, but the Republicans who are
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  Speaker 2: in power saying that, you know, that really doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 2: Only when the Democrats are in power does the national
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  Speaker 2: debt or deficits count. So how do you get around
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  Speaker 2: reducing the national debt? Because keep in mind, the government
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  Speaker 2: is paying interest on $ 40 trillion, and that's money that
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  Speaker 2: cannot be spent on on the United States, on the
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  Speaker 2: tax power, on the tax.
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  Speaker 1: Base, on the electorate.
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  Speaker 2: And so how do you get out of it? Well,
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  Speaker 2: there's one path that absolutely makes sense and would work.
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  Speaker 2: Very tough trade-offs. Lawmakers have ducked this for decades. Higher taxes,
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  Speaker 2: much higher taxes and lower spending. So another route sounds
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  Speaker 2: a lot more plausible and is politically far more appealing,
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  Speaker 2: and that is growth. Let's just grow ourselves out of
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  Speaker 2: national debt.
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  Speaker 1: Which can happen.
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  Speaker 2: If the economy is growing faster than the borrowing, over
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  Speaker 2: a period of time, you are going to pay off
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  Speaker 2: the debt. However, if you spend more than what is
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  Speaker 2: being increased or more than what you're spending, the debt
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  Speaker 2: just keeps on climbing and climbing. So additional debt is
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  Speaker 2: going to matter a lot less if the economy booms faster.
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  Speaker 2: And that's exactly what Treasury Secretary Scott Besson said. And
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  Speaker 2: administration officials have touted that as the U.S. crossed these
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  Speaker 2: milestones with $ 40 trillion in debt, it has.
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  Speaker 1: Now hit 100% of gross domestic product.
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  Speaker 2: GDP, gross domestic product, is all the services, all the manufacturing,
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  Speaker 2: all the sales, everything the United States produces that create money.
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  Speaker 1: All of it.
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  Speaker 2: And the national debt is now 100% of GDP with
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  Speaker 2: the debt at $ 40 trillion. And so Bessent sketched this
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  Speaker 2: scenario out. where government benefits from growth fueled by AI,
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  Speaker 2: the AI build-out, which we don't know, it's probably going
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  Speaker 2: to help certainly GDP, you know, it's going to not
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  Speaker 2: help employment, but that's a different story. But if we
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  Speaker 2: have reshored manufacturing and tax cuts, you put all of
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  Speaker 2: that together and.
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  Speaker 1: The growth happens.
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  Speaker 2: That's assuming you have 3% growth every year and inflation
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  Speaker 2: is at 2%.
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  Speaker 1: And it will be, it's going to work. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: think of this for a moment.
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  Speaker 2: If we have zero increase in national debt, if we
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  Speaker 2: have a national debt, and we have zero increase in deficit,
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  Speaker 2: in other words, we don't spend one dime more than
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  Speaker 2: is being brought in. No $ 100 in the bank and
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  Speaker 2: spend $ 110 a year.
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  Speaker 1: That just doesn't work.
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  Speaker 2: But if you have that 1% difference, the national debt
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  Speaker 2: will be paid off. Certainly not in your lifetime or
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  Speaker 2: your kid's lifetime or your grandchildren's lifetime, but it will
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  Speaker 2: eventually happen. Inflation will create the scenario by which our
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  Speaker 2: national $ 40 trillion debt will be reduced. Now, I want
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  Speaker 2: to come back and talk a little bit more about it.
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  Speaker 2: It's a little bit wonky, but I want to unwonk
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  Speaker 2: it and explain why this ain't going to happen.
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  Speaker 1: There is no chance it's going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: And keep in mind, the national debt, a $ 20 trillion,
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  Speaker 2: means absolutely nothing.
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  Speaker 1: It don't matter to me.
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  Speaker 2: And a lot of economists are saying, you know what?
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  Speaker 2: You know, the premise is basically true. Unfortunately, now what?
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  Speaker 2: You know, the concept of flying cars buzzing around the skies. Well, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's basically true. They talked about that in the 30s,
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  Speaker 2: you know, with science fiction novels.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, it's the future. Oh, this is the future.
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  Speaker 2: Assuming the scenario and the equation that the administration is
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  Speaker 2: coming up with, which makes it's not going to happen.
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  Speaker 1: It can't happen. Now, does it make any sense?
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  Speaker 2: Does it make it more palatable? Not if you really
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  Speaker 2: look at it. And let's just look at the facts here.
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  Speaker 2: And that is Treasury Secretary Besant says we are growing
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  Speaker 2: faster than we've ever grown before. That's absolutely true. Actually,
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  Speaker 2: President Trump said that on Fox News last week. The
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  Speaker 2: reality is U.S. economic growth has slowed over the past decades.
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  Speaker 2: It's one of those, if it's raining outside and he
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  Speaker 2: says it's sunny, it is sunny. During the second Trump administration,
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  Speaker 2: the economy has grown at 1.9% annual rate. And Besant
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  Speaker 2: says we need at least a 3% to grow our
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  Speaker 2: way out of it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that doesn't work. The last time GDP cleared 3%, 3%
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  Speaker 1: growth was 2023.
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  Speaker 2: It has only risen by 3% over or more five
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  Speaker 2: times in the past 20 years. The economy hasn't grown 3%
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  Speaker 2: on a sustained basis since the 1990s. And what happened
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  Speaker 2: in the 1990s? Well, we had productivity gains. Companies adopted computers.
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  Speaker 2: Baby boomers entered peak employment years. There was fiscal policy,
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  Speaker 2: relative peace.
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  Speaker 1: We weren't at war.
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  Speaker 2: And debt actually declined as a share of GDP during
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  Speaker 2: those times. And the projected path was paying off the debt,
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  Speaker 2: not doubling it is what happened. Well, this century, those
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  Speaker 2: effects reversed.
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  Speaker 1: Productivity gains slowed down.
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  Speaker 2: And here's when baby boomers have started retiring, which means
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  Speaker 2: they're no longer adding to the economy. They're taking away
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  Speaker 2: from the economy. And so that doesn't work. Congress has
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  Speaker 2: cut taxes. There is less money coming in. Then you
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  Speaker 2: had September 11th, 2008 financial crisis, the pandemic. Man, did
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  Speaker 2: that disrupt economic momentum. And that prompted major government spending,
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  Speaker 2: adding to the national debt. And so we've got a
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  Speaker 2: huge deficit between our debt and the money coming in.
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  Speaker 1: We're now running annual.
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  Speaker 2: Deficits of about 6% of GDP, way above historical norms.
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  Speaker 1: In other words, we are.
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  Speaker 2: Increasing the debt at an astronomical pace, yet the administration
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  Speaker 2: is saying, oh, no, no, we're reversing that. Well, again,
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  Speaker 2: it's raining outside and look at the sun. Are there
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  Speaker 2: some economists that say yes, but only if what happens,
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  Speaker 2: what Besson says and the president is correct, and we
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  Speaker 2: get 3% growth, at least 3%, 3.5%, which is simply
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  Speaker 2: not happening. And based on tax cuts, how about $ 1. 3
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  Speaker 2: trillion if the president moves forward on his $ 5, 000 per
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  Speaker 2: check for every American if the Republicans win? So it's
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  Speaker 2: just not going to happen. Now, is the economy going
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  Speaker 2: to grow because AI-led productivity is going to increase dramatically?
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, but how much?
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  Speaker 2: Is it going to happen at a rate that's going
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  Speaker 2: to overcome our addition.
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  Speaker 1: To the deficit? No.
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  Speaker 2: Nope. Now, Besant is arguing that the tax trade and
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  Speaker 2: deregulation agenda is helping.
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  Speaker 1: And the problem is, look at.
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  Speaker 2: Trade conflicts, Iran war, erratic decisions, all slowing growth, all
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  Speaker 2: of it slowing growth. Now, how about cuts to Social
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  Speaker 2: Security and Medicare benefits?
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  Speaker 1: That would help.
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  Speaker 2: You think anybody's going to touch that? Even Trump has said, oh, no,
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  Speaker 2: even though benefits are being cut like crazy, not that one.
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  Speaker 1: Now, Republicans have cut.
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  Speaker 2: Some spending, but increased spending in other ways. Social programs
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  Speaker 2: have been cut. No question about it. But the military
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  Speaker 2: has been increased dramatically. Immigration has increased dramatically. And it's
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  Speaker 2: just a question of where we're spending money. But we
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  Speaker 2: are spending so much more than we're bringing in, more
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  Speaker 2: so than any other time other than the pandemic and
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  Speaker 2: during World War II. But we're going to overcome this
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  Speaker 2: $ 40 trillion debt. And we've heard over and over again,
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  Speaker 2: we're kicking the can down the road. Our kids are
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  Speaker 2: going to get hit. Our grandkids are going to get
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  Speaker 2: hit where they are going to have to cut Medicare.
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  Speaker 2: They're going to have to cut Social Security. Retirement has
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  Speaker 2: to go up, which it is. You'll see retirement now
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  Speaker 2: at 67. You'll see it at 70. And that's legitimate,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, to increase retirement age to 70. We
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  Speaker 2: live far, far longer than we ever have before. But
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  Speaker 2: that means that the cost of keeping that aging economy
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  Speaker 2: going sucks up a lot of revenue. So we hit
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  Speaker 2: that $ 40 trillion debt, the big mazel tov. But keep
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  Speaker 2: in mind, it doesn't matter because none of this matters.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter how much money you spend. You just take,
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  Speaker 2: look at your checkbook, look, see how much money you
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  Speaker 2: have in your, in the bank. and spend more money
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  Speaker 2: every year than brings in, at one point, does it collapse?
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  Speaker 1: How about never?
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  Speaker 2: Because that's certainly what the argument is here. Okay, coming up.
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  Speaker 2: What do I want to do?
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  Speaker 1: Russian business. You know what? Let's change this around for
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  Speaker 1: a minute. And it's going to kill you.
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  Speaker 2: I know that. But how about the what the Supreme
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  Speaker 2: Court just did with the election? It just happened yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: Can you send that to me? And I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: try to do that one on the fly. OK, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we change live radio. I just think that's more important
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  Speaker 2: than the Russian businessman in the wedding.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, great. Donald Trump Jr. got married. All right, terrific.
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  Speaker 2: And he did it in the Bahamas. And a Russian
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  Speaker 2: businessman paid for it. Okay, does that change anything?
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  Speaker 1: No. Does the election story change anything? Oh, you betcha.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, yesterday's Supreme Court ruled in a decision that has
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  Speaker 2: enormous implications, except that it doesn't. And it was the
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  Speaker 2: Supreme Court saying no to President Trump's mail-in ballot initiative,
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  Speaker 2: where he is arguing that mail-in ballots should be invalidated
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  Speaker 2: or at least controlled by the federal government because he
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  Speaker 2: wants to undo mail-in ballots, and arguing that the feds,
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  Speaker 2: since mail-in ballots are delivered by the mail and the
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  Speaker 2: Postal Service, which is part of the executive branch, although
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  Speaker 2: it's quasi-independent, but The executive branch controls the Postal Service,
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  Speaker 2: saying that since the post office delivers, then it will
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  Speaker 2: be the post office decision whether or not to deliver
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  Speaker 2: the mail. And if it doesn't deliver the ballots pursuant
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  Speaker 2: to what the administration wants, all kinds of restrictions that
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  Speaker 2: really are going to reduce the amount or the number
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  Speaker 2: of mail-in ballots. So, of course, the lawsuits hit. And
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  Speaker 2: here's what happened. The court said you can't do that.
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  Speaker 2: You're stopped, but only because this time you're stopped because
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  Speaker 2: there were two arguments that were made by those who
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  Speaker 2: opposed Trump's position. Argument number one, the president doesn't have
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  Speaker 2: the right to stop state ballots. Number two is it
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  Speaker 2: can't happen because mail-in ballots have already gone out and
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  Speaker 2: you can't change it at this point.
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  Speaker 1: It would screw everything up.
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  Speaker 2: Especially in states that have virtually 100% mail-in ballots.
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  Speaker 1: 30% of Americans mail in their ballots. And is it
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  Speaker 1: a political issue? Of course it is. The president is
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  Speaker 1: arguing fraud and election integrity. What a crock. Not true.
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  Speaker 2: There is no widespread fraud. It doesn't exist. He's basically
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  Speaker 2: making it up for his position. Why? Because mail-in ballots
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  Speaker 2: are more Democratic and Republicans are same-day voting.
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  Speaker 1: That's the way they lean.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: So the court said, okay, we're not going to decide
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: the big issue, whether the president has the authority.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, who was it?
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: It was Justice Brett Kavanaugh agreed that the president may
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: very well have the authority to do what he wants
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: to do. But you can't do it now. You can't
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: do it during this midterm. It's just too difficult. It
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: becomes impossible, actually. Now, the president said, oh, no, it's
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: not impossible. We can change it all and get rid
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: of the fraud that, again, no evidence that it exists
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: in any widespread form. Man, Washington's secretary of state said, man,
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: we can't do it. We just can't do it. Arizona,
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: largely vote by mail state, said we can't do it.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: And that's Democratic secretary of state said that. Utah Lieutenant
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Governor Deidre Henderson, Utah, as red a state as it comes,
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: said that now the Supreme Court's decision means that Utahns, Utahns,
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: have the confidence that the 2026 election will proceed as normal.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: Because we can't do what the president says at this point.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: But that's just a practical measure. It doesn't answer the
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: underlying question, which is far, far more important. And that is,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: can a president determine how a state runs its election
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: with mail-in balloting? And unless FedEx or UPS delivers those ballots, yeah,
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: the court may very well say, yeah, it's the president.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: He controls it. He decides everything. how those mail-in ballots
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: are going to be delivered. And if he says, I
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: want it this way, in this particular case, he wants
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: that all the information be shared between the states and
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: the feds in regard to the registered voters and to
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: see if there's any fraud as they compare the two numbers,
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: they compare the two lists. And he says, if not,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: if you don't do what I do, you're done with
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: mail-in ballots. Can presidential power go that far? Yeah, well,
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: I think this court is going to give it to him.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: I think this court is so presidential power happy that
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: it believes that the legislature has virtually no power, no say.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: There's no checks and balances, not in this administration and
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: certainly not with the Supreme Court, with this court.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: It's pretty scary stuff. All right. Coming up, Rich DeMuro.
• 25:22
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• 25:26
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