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JFK ASSASSINATION - Ep. 395 - James Files : Grassy Knoll Assassin · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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  Speaker 1: H what what what?
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  Speaker 2: M h.
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  Speaker 1: Repent of any sage's juice.
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  Speaker 3: Tear up the true, down the rails from the juice
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  Speaker 3: of the mob.
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  Speaker 1: David, very rude, be mister. Food is in the pure
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  Speaker 1: whennes s.
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  Speaker 3: It's rainy night, chill the lights, the bread, all sides
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  Speaker 3: never be rides fend of the basting and the boy
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  Speaker 3: for you all to see.
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  Speaker 1: And here we go.
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  Speaker 4: What's up?
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  Speaker 1: Everybody?
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  Speaker 5: Welcome In, Welcome In. It is the Lonegomer Podcast. This
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  Speaker 5: is episode three hundred and ninety fucking five. Damn Rama's there, Joe,
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  Speaker 5: I know another milestone and.
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  Speaker 1: We have some news. At four hundred we are done.
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  Speaker 1: That's a joke. I don't like. That's a joke. How
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  Speaker 1: dare you? I'm teasing them? Come on, they have assessed humor.
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  Speaker 1: You got to to watch the show, right.
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  Speaker 4: I would hope. So if not, you're not in good ship.
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  Speaker 5: You're in the wrong place if you ain't here to
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  Speaker 5: have fun and learn something in the process. All right, joem,
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  Speaker 5: we'll go ahead, welcome these people in while you skafoozed
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  Speaker 5: it up there last minute? Uh, South to West, first
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  Speaker 5: one in, Welcome in, Welcome in.
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  Speaker 1: Another gold for South to West.
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  Speaker 5: You Jack Taylor's right behind him, like David Ferry behind
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  Speaker 5: a young cadet. What's up.
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  Speaker 1: That's a good one. That's a good one.
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  Speaker 5: And then right behind him is our buddy Will.
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  Speaker 4: What's up? James not in the files?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, the running joke is how I told you. I
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  Speaker 5: was telling Joe, you know's I figured it to be funny,
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  Speaker 5: you know, to like search on.
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  Speaker 4: Anything for James.
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  Speaker 5: Files in the files And the only thing I saw
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  Speaker 5: that pops up is somebody named James and the word
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  Speaker 5: files in the actual file.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, and we'll get there. Maybe your boy found
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  Speaker 1: a file on him, maybe he didn't. Maybe we'll go
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  Speaker 1: over some files.
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  Speaker 5: Files James files looks in the comments Zoey B.
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  Speaker 1: Martin, Oh, yes, I said, you have gp nailed You
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  Speaker 1: nailed that one.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you, big Mike. This most definitely be a banger
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  Speaker 5: of a show. Looking forward to tonight. Boys, So are we?
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  Speaker 5: So are we? We're kind of doing a test here.
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  Speaker 5: This is only a test the YouTube algorithm algorithm system. Uh,
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  Speaker 5: We're just we're performing a test here. You know, I'm
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  Speaker 5: sure most of you know how we really feel about
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  Speaker 5: this subject, and trust me, we will not be holding
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  Speaker 5: back at all. But we figure, you know, let's see
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  Speaker 5: what happens when we try a little clickbait.
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  Speaker 4: Uh, tiny dancer, Welcome in.
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  Speaker 1: Was the emailing with third today.
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  Speaker 5: Zendar, what's up? Zendar? Up in the nowse.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, send the lovely Sally if I'm across the pond, Joe,
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  Speaker 6: pick your tongue up, Joe, Hey, mate, Joe, you're getting.
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  Speaker 4: The library.
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  Speaker 5: Man's up in the house. Was up big Mike, hoping
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  Speaker 5: I can join as the Missess has me helping an
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  Speaker 5: organized garage sale for tomorrow. Yeah that Mike. We are
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  Speaker 5: much more important in organizing a garage sale. Just just
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  Speaker 5: do it like this. Put all the shit on the
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  Speaker 5: table in your garage. Don't worry about pricing anything. Just
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  Speaker 5: make people ask you. Just make shit up off the
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  Speaker 5: top of your head. Best way to do it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I have just on that point. Have
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  Speaker 1: you have you ever passed by, like on a Saturday
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  Speaker 1: morning and seen those like signs posted on like a
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  Speaker 1: phone pole, you know, and be like, garage here, two
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  Speaker 1: blocks this way, and just stop by them, not even
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  Speaker 1: for JFK stuff, just for random ship.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, it's been a while, but yeah yeah, yeah
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  Speaker 5: me too.
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  Speaker 1: But I it's interesting to do it, especially if you
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  Speaker 1: catch it like not at the end of it.
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  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, people are trampling in at like six in
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  Speaker 5: the morning. Are you already yet? You're open yet? No, dude,
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  Speaker 5: we're setting up yet. Now. Okay, here'll go. You have
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  Speaker 1: Hello, oh hepe you see.
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  Speaker 5: And Veronica Lynn with the sexy ass name. Let's see
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  Speaker 5: what you look like?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, but welcome miss Veronica.
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  Speaker 5: Enjoy the show in around.
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  Speaker 1: Oh man, I got in so much trouble.
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  Speaker 5: Oh no.
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  Speaker 5: Double B celebrates thirteen months of membership. Good evening, all
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  Speaker 1: You more than a year. Wow, that's awesome.
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  Speaker 4: Wow.
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  Speaker 5: Wh not well, but congratulations, we appreciate it.
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  Speaker 1: We do.
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  Speaker 5: Let's see how he's in the house Toopsy.
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  Speaker 4: What's up, buddy?
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  Speaker 1: Hey, what's up?
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  Speaker 5: Down on die? He's listening to his upside down in
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  Speaker 5: Australia right now, Toopsy. I'm kidding there with his flat people. Edwards,
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  Speaker 5: I am not a crackpot. I took the words right
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  Speaker 5: out of my mouth.
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  Speaker 4: Scott, I am.
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  Speaker 1: Cold of the night so far.
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  Speaker 5: Claude, Hello, Claude, welcome in. Antony Dene is filing her
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  Speaker 5: nails while they're tracking the fence.
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  Speaker 1: Oh shit, okay, okay.
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  Speaker 5: Trying not to leave any marks. Later, Timothy Ryan up
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  Speaker 5: in the house. What's up, buddy, Good evening from Philly.
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  Speaker 1: That a Philly. Yeah, we love Philly.
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  Speaker 1: The d or Not, the d Dobs, Derek sind Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: And the big Oh. Owen Smith is in the house.
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  Speaker 4: Good evening.
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  Speaker 5: Morning. Whereever it is, wherever you are is what it is.
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  Speaker 1: I'm guessing. I'm guessing it's morning for Owen.
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  Speaker 5: If you're saying that, Owen, are you jeebis on x
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  Speaker 5: If you are, thank you for sharing the ship out
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  Speaker 5: of our videos. Let me know if you are Jeebis.
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  Speaker 5: Paul Aichi, Pauli Pizon, Anthony Thripp, the best guy, Daing
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  Speaker 5: corper salesman in Queensland is in the house. What's up?
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  Speaker 5: Good morning to you. Also listening to this upside down
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  Speaker 5: in Australia. I'm just kidding.
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  Speaker 4: Is flat.
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  Speaker 5: Sooner? Scooter?
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  Speaker 1: Oh okay, damn, look at that fish.
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  Speaker 4: That's a big ass fish.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that's deep sea fishing.
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  Speaker 5: Huh, that's the kind of shit I'm scared of. Man, Like,
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  Speaker 5: I think it'll swallow you when you be trapped in there,
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  Speaker 5: like Junior trying to get the hell out of that thing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I've only been deep sea fishing a few times,
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  Speaker 1: but I've really enjoyed it. But my next bucket list item,
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  Speaker 1: Rob is to go swimming with orcas in Norway.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: You have fun with that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not going to get there anytime soon, but
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  Speaker 1: it's about.
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  Speaker 5: It's easier go swimming with Piranha and Brazil.
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  Speaker 4: How about that?
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  Speaker 1: Or goes swimming with fellow researchers in DC.
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  Speaker 5: And Amazon with the uh fish to swim up your
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  Speaker 5: pee into your dick.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: That's fun. Trey, welcome in, sir. Your chats aren't showing up.
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  Speaker 5: Oh lord, oh lord, gotta love it. Matt Doubted is
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  Speaker 5: in the house.
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  Speaker 1: Oh Matt, how are you, sir?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, Matt. That's the point. We're doing a test here. Uh,
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  Speaker 5: we're testing the algorithm. This is like going to be
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  Speaker 5: a you know, totally anti gene files podcast. By the way,
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  Speaker 5: you bunking everything he's ever said.
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  Speaker 4: But we'll see how it goes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm interested to learn more about his early life
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  Speaker 1: and if he really was affiliated with Nicoletti or Rosselli.
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  Speaker 1: And I know you'll be doing that segment, Rob, but
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  Speaker 1: that's interesting to me. I mean, obviously, I don't think
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  Speaker 1: he had anything to do with the assassination, because why
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  Speaker 1: would you admit that and then self shit on the
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  Speaker 1: grassy knol. I know you have a good story about that,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm interested in learning about some of his backstory.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's a good preface, if you will.
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  Speaker 5: Well, it's a yard, Welcome here, and welcome in. I
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  Speaker 5: was trying to just start the show with out welcome
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  Speaker 5: everybody been this motherfucker.
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  Speaker 4: Yourself, little fuck welcome in? What's up?
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  Speaker 5: Fellers? Mister?
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  Speaker 1: Hey, what's up? Fiddle folk?
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  Speaker 5: Well you say it, fiddle folk, I say it fiddle fuck. Okay,
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  Speaker 5: you say tomato, I say tomato. Oh boy, let's see.
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  Speaker 5: I mean the people are coming out for this one
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  Speaker 5: world's most handsome pot smoker a potato. Sorry, Australia is
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  Speaker 5: not a real place. Hey, this is a man after
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  Speaker 5: my own heart.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, how did you mister read potato from?
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  Speaker 5: Okay, until I put the big comment up here and.
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  Speaker 4: I saw it. All right, fair enough, fair enough, you're here.
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  Speaker 5: He is the world's most handsome pot smoker.
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  Speaker 1: All right, I thought you. I thought you were referring
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  Speaker 1: to me. But I'm not smoking these days. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: a good boy, a good Catholic boy. If you want
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  Speaker 1: to bring up the.
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  Speaker 5: Picture, Chris, I don't know what WPG stands for, but
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  Speaker 5: I could probably make up something, but I don't want to.
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  Speaker 5: You know, Oh, it looks like we have a James
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  Speaker 5: File supporter here. Is this going to be a fair
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  Speaker 5: trial or is this a crucifixion? Well you're just gonna
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  Speaker 5: have to stick around and find out, Chris. You never know.
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  Speaker 5: We're always fair around here. All's fair in love and war.
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  Speaker 1: Yesh, Matt says, get files on the show. He'll literally
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  Speaker 1: talk to anyone. Well, he's like comatose, literally.
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  Speaker 5: Second hand smoke away from killing over over thinking. Well,
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  Speaker 5: we'll get there, trust me, I promise, Matt. We got
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  Speaker 5: all kinds of good stuff lined up for you here
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  Speaker 5: this evening, folks. So let's start off the story at
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  Speaker 5: the very very very Joe beginning. Okay, actually, I take
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  Speaker 5: that back. I want to start at the end of
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  Speaker 5: the story interesting the right now, and then we'll take
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  Speaker 5: it back to the beginning, because the right now is
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  Speaker 5: what's pissing me off. Okay, what's pissing me off is
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  Speaker 5: that this story, after thirty some effing years, is having
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  Speaker 5: a resurgence in the JFK community. Like people don't discovered,
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  Speaker 5: you know, gold on Mars right, just some great grand
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  Speaker 5: new revelation, you know, And it's like really really, And
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  Speaker 5: I tell you one of the biggest people that I
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  Speaker 5: have a problem with, Uh, let me share my screen
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  Speaker 5: and I'm going to show you who I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 1: How Skaffooza of the week maybe.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, he's a Skaffuso. Unfortunately he's a hero, but he's
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  Speaker 5: also a Skaffuzle. So without further ado, they're not synonymous.
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  Speaker 5: Sometimes I present to you Michael Jacob. Okay, Michael Jacob.
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  Speaker 5: He has one hundred and twenty two thousand subscribers.
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  Speaker 1: One hundred and twenty two.
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  Speaker 5: Thousand, nine hundred and forty two videos, which, by the way, Joe,
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  Speaker 5: is more than we have on this channel, and we
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  Speaker 5: have a lot, not to mention, all the tlgs, all
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  Speaker 5: the from the Vault, all the quick hits, all the shorts,
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  Speaker 5: all the live. This guy's got more, all right. He's
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  Speaker 5: a former Tier one Navy seal for twenty four years,
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  Speaker 5: which I can't respect. Okay, of course, but but but
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  Speaker 5: he's a total meathead cafuza, right.
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  Speaker 1: And there's a there's a few of them rob these days,
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  Speaker 1: out there doing their own podcasts, like the former special
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  Speaker 1: ops guys like, not that we don't respect their service
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  Speaker 1: or anything, obviously, but there are a lot of them,
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  Speaker 1: and they seem to be increasing by a lot.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Well, this guy's got a hell of a reach.
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  Speaker 5: And again, he's a former tier on Tier one Navy
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  Speaker 5: seal for twenty four years, eleven years as a CIA
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  Speaker 5: combat zone security guy and intuitive, a remote viewer, an influencer,
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  Speaker 5: a five D warfare fighter.
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  Speaker 1: Wait did you say a remote viewer?
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  Speaker 4: I said a remote viewer.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I just wanted to make sure.
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  Speaker 5: I wonder if you can into it that we're gonna
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  Speaker 5: be busting his balls tonight on this show, mister Jacob.
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  Speaker 5: If you do show up, please leave a comment if
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  Speaker 5: you're truly intuitive enough to figure out you're gonna shit
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  Speaker 5: on you this evening, sir, with all due respect, Yes, yes,
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  Speaker 5: thank you for your service.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 5: This is totally different than that. And in this arena, you, sir,
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  Speaker 5: are at the top of the Kafuza.
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  Speaker 1: List, which is hard to do.
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  Speaker 4: In this arena, it's hard to do.
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  Speaker 1: It's hard to do all right now, And for anyone.
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  Speaker 2: News wants Michael Jacob with only Situation Secrets, Jim Scott
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  Speaker 2: and James Files with us once again.
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  Speaker 5: Now there's a way we can skirt around a couple
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  Speaker 5: of things, Joe, because we can't really show portions of
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  Speaker 5: the interview if you will, it is copyrighted, and they
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  Speaker 5: do keep track of it, trust me, video and audio.
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  Speaker 5: Trust me. I know I've had the audio taken down
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  Speaker 5: from the vault.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, which which is another interesting thing because and we'll
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  Speaker 1: get there, I promise, of why it is so protected
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  Speaker 1: and why they are so kind of on the James
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  Speaker 1: Files thing, and then we'll get into the timing of
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  Speaker 1: his claims and the ARB.
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  Speaker 5: Well, within the past year, this guy's had James Files
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  Speaker 5: on his show at least six seven times.
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  Speaker 1: Really really wow.
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  Speaker 5: And they keep talking about these new revelations you know,
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  Speaker 5: from James Files and all this horseshit, and he calls
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  Speaker 5: James Files a national hero for doing what he did
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  Speaker 5: just because he was a dumb soldier and he was
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  Speaker 5: told what to do and he followed orders, just like
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  Speaker 5: I did for twenty four years in the Seals. Okay,
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  Speaker 5: but I'll show you what I mean here in just
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  Speaker 5: a second. Let me share my screen once more with
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  Speaker 5: the Okay, now this is a portion of the show.
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  Speaker 5: Now we are at the point. Now the name of
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  Speaker 5: this video is if you see at the bottom, CIA
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  Speaker 5: and Chicago mob assassin James Files now on his last
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  Speaker 5: days on Earth. Okay, so he's literally at this point
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  Speaker 5: hanging on by a thread and he is not on video.
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  Speaker 5: Dude is laid up in bed, can't get out of
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  Speaker 5: bed at this point. He's having heart failure, not doing well.
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  Speaker 5: But don't stop them from having him more for two
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  Speaker 5: and a half hours.
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  Speaker 1: Two and a half hours.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, Now, I'm not gonna show the entire video.
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  Speaker 5: I just want to. I'm just gonna hit some highlights
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  Speaker 5: here and trust me, nothing good happens until we get about.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, everyone's Michael Jacob with only situation secrets of Jim
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  Speaker 2: Scott and James Files with us once again. James getting
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  Speaker 2: close to the point where there's not much he can share,
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  Speaker 2: going forward to Unfortunately, uh we tried to get President
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  Speaker 2: Trump to give him a pardon. Uh so we're gonna
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna try and get as much information as we can.
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  Speaker 5: I wanted to pause it there real quick. Look at
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  Speaker 5: the grounds of this ship, okay, JFK. Murder, James Files.
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  Speaker 5: We believe dot com AuthorHouse dot com primary target JFK.
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  Speaker 5: Those are copies of his books that he's selling. Of
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  Speaker 5: course right once has got a making America great again?
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  Speaker 5: At James Files is wearing a Trump hat and CIA's shirt.
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  Speaker 5: Oh my god, this other Kafuza is the financier, if
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: you will. Although Jacob ain't doing bad himself, but this guy,
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  Speaker 5: Jim Scott, I mean you can look at look look
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  Speaker 5: at his living room. Anybody with heads like that in
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  Speaker 5: their living room got money, you know what I mean. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: he's like a helicopter He was like a helicopter company.
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  Speaker 5: You know, he's got money.
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  Speaker 1: So why can't he afford something other than the coups
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  Speaker 1: he used to drink out of out of college.
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  Speaker 5: But if we don't like the dirty up glasses down here,
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  Speaker 5: just for that, just for anything, you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 5: This way, they can't see what I'm drinking.
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  Speaker 1: Oh man, I mean, at least do uh a real?
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  Speaker 5: All right, let's continue here and then.
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  Speaker 2: We'll from James at he wants revealed that he can
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  Speaker 2: reveal at this point. So, gentlemen, thank you for joining us.
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  Speaker 2: And what have you guys been up.
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  Speaker 7: To and thank you for having us. Well, I've been
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  Speaker 7: staying either in bed in my wheelchair there at the
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  Speaker 7: doctor's office one or the other. The other day an
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  Speaker 7: apployment at the hospital, I went in for a cash
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  Speaker 7: scan and they're monitor in my heart and to keeping
• 21:23
  Speaker 7: track of it because I got a real bad leaky
• 21:25
  Speaker 7: balve and they cannot fix it. And they were going
• 21:29
  Speaker 7: through the growing and fix it that way, but they
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  Speaker 7: can't because my stomach has moved three quarters of the
• 21:34
  Speaker 7: way up through the diaphragm into my chest. The estophaca
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  Speaker 7: is leaning against that and it's got the passageway blocks.
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  Speaker 7: So they've got to open my chest up. And about
• 21:44
  Speaker 7: twelve doctors all together have agreed that I would not
• 21:47
  Speaker 7: survive the operation. So they sent me home and told me, okay,
• 21:50
  Speaker 7: make the best stuff that you can, and so I'm
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  Speaker 7: trying to enjoy what I got left.
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  Speaker 1: Good Man. Well, I've been my wife.
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  Speaker 7: She's been doughter than.
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: Fast forward this to about the thirty three minute mark
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: into this.
• 22:07
  Speaker 7: Thank us three times to the eighty pounds of bound
• 22:09
  Speaker 7: alone me and it took me in the seals. I
• 22:15
  Speaker 7: think through four days you get back down the rimber
• 22:17
  Speaker 7: because we can only move in nighttime.
• 22:19
  Speaker 8: We stayed in the water.
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: And now, what's what he's talking about here, folks, is
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: when he was in Layous. Okay, right now, he was
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: supposedly I think he was supposed to be in the Army.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: I believe. So it was late fifties, I believe.
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: But wait, now, it can't be the late fifties because
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: the Navy Seals weren't formed until nineteen sixty two. Well,
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: which is another problem. So he's talking about being in
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: Laos in nineteen sixty two as an army guy in
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: with Navy seals, which doesn't quite make sense to me.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: No, obviously, his story is all over the place.
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's timeline. I mean, you would think this JABRONI
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: up here, Michael Jacob would know when the seals were formed,
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: and he would question him on it since he was
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: one for twenty four years.
• 23:21
  Speaker 7: But I like, so let's jump forward with brush and
• 23:25
  Speaker 7: we built a small rapf with brushaw.
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: Because this is a bunch of bullshit.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: That there was.
• 23:33
  Speaker 8: You know, uh, thirty eight super brass at the scene
• 23:37
  Speaker 8: and we know.
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: You know James went out. Let me pause here because
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: this is another skafuzzo who is a James File supporter.
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: His name is Jim Manning. He's got a podcast on
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: here and gets like hundreds of thousands of hits on
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: his stuff when he talks about JFK. I don't know
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: who he is, but he is dead wrong on all
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: kinds of stuff. It's called the Blood Money Podcast.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: He's just like, yeah, sounds like clickbait.
• 24:07
  Speaker 8: Knows the person personally.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Let's get through this.
• 24:10
  Speaker 7: It had it probably stole it before he retired. And uh,
• 24:17
  Speaker 7: all the FBI when they were there, they had about
• 24:18
  Speaker 7: fifty f the ages stormed around Leake Beach, round Lake Park.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: In all those areas.
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: There's township, all right, he's talking about when he got arrested.
• 24:34
  Speaker 8: They had the question.
• 24:36
  Speaker 7: We gave him the benefit of that we put in
• 24:38
  Speaker 7: the book. Well, we didn't want to.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Close anybody out.
• 24:41
  Speaker 8: We used everybody didn't want to know.
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: And so.
• 24:46
  Speaker 7: Even the questions are interesting that people asked.
• 24:52
  Speaker 8: His wife, and exactly what I just said would be proven.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: John F.
• 24:55
  Speaker 8: Kennedy is not in his grave in Arlington. He is
• 24:59
  Speaker 8: the river we ever might be left, which would be
• 25:02
  Speaker 8: nothing probably if you look at the Titanic wreck. The
• 25:07
  Speaker 8: only people in the bottom of the ocean, the only
• 25:10
  Speaker 8: part of those people that went down with the Titanic
• 25:13
  Speaker 8: that's left is their shoes. And he was naked, so
• 25:16
  Speaker 8: there would be nothing left. That box would be empty,
• 25:19
  Speaker 8: and I don't think you could achieve even if you
• 25:21
  Speaker 8: scraped up the dirt in the bottom of it, you
• 25:23
  Speaker 8: probably couldn't find his DNA in it.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: But John F. Kennedy is not in his grave.
• 25:28
  Speaker 8: And if you want to prove me wrong, then dig
• 25:30
  Speaker 8: it up and dig it up, and I can.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Tell you.
• 25:33
  Speaker 8: Probably could find that white concrete box out there if
• 25:37
  Speaker 8: you Ceia hadn't already gone out there and rigged explosives
• 25:40
  Speaker 8: to it and blown it up, so it's little pieces
• 25:42
  Speaker 8: of gravel all over the thing. But now I've said
• 25:45
  Speaker 8: that they probably are leaving the port right now with
• 25:47
  Speaker 8: a bunch of C.
• 25:48
  Speaker 7: Four you know remember what year it was, But there
• 25:51
  Speaker 7: was moving the grave or something the other and they
• 25:53
  Speaker 7: dug up the Cassen.
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: Because he's so scary important. Oh my god, the Jane
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: fouls it. Now they're talking about this.
• 26:02
  Speaker 8: This is a vintage box of two twenty one fireballmo
• 26:05
  Speaker 8: from duineteen sixty three. And on the end of the
• 26:09
  Speaker 8: box it say fireball fifth.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Did you say to twenty one? Yeah, okay, just keep
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: that in mind.
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: Oh I know, Okay, keep that in mind, audience.
• 26:22
  Speaker 8: Grain soft point index number is five two two one.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 26:28
  Speaker 8: And it doesn't I don't think it says the velocity
• 26:31
  Speaker 8: on here. But I want to say out of the
• 26:32
  Speaker 8: ten and three quarter inch barrel of a Remington XP
• 26:36
  Speaker 8: one hundred, I think it's about twenty six fifty the
• 26:38
  Speaker 8: fifty green bullet, it's not that fast. It's it's fast,
• 26:41
  Speaker 8: but now you can you.
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: Can handle actually exactly Assis three thousand.
• 26:46
  Speaker 8: But load like a forty grain nozzle ballistic tip or
• 26:49
  Speaker 8: one of the little what do they call him, Varmit,
• 26:52
  Speaker 8: it's a Varmageddon bullet. I think forty greens and you
• 26:59
  Speaker 8: could load one of those. And there's a couple of companies,
• 27:01
  Speaker 8: Spear and Sierra makes a forty green bullet. I think
• 27:04
  Speaker 8: for the twenty two for the center fire cartridges. You
• 27:08
  Speaker 8: got to be really careful those with a long barrel
• 27:10
  Speaker 8: when you push him too fast, like out of a
• 27:12
  Speaker 8: two twenty swift you could push those forty three hundred
• 27:16
  Speaker 8: feet per second something like that.
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: I don't know what this getting to.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: And he doesn't reveal some things, but you could.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: I'm going to after he dies. And where did James
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Files got? He'd write a book.
• 27:29
  Speaker 8: But to be honest with you, if this guy, I mean,
• 27:33
  Speaker 8: if there ever was And what's really funny is I
• 27:37
  Speaker 8: write if you really know him in his heart, I
• 27:40
  Speaker 8: mean he's a he's a really a patriot. He would
• 27:44
  Speaker 8: have done anything and killed anybody as long as he
• 27:47
  Speaker 8: thought the government want. You know, like if you'd say, hey,
• 27:50
  Speaker 8: govery can kill his ten yure little boy, he's going
• 27:53
  Speaker 8: to give the Russians a big secret that we don't
• 27:56
  Speaker 8: want to know.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: He wouldn't ask for one question, you just go over.
• 27:59
  Speaker 8: I mean, it was this guy serious. It was a
• 28:02
  Speaker 8: psychopathic machine, a killing machine.
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: He's a patron.
• 28:06
  Speaker 8: Remember he was programmed from a boy.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Through That's what this is all about.
• 28:11
  Speaker 8: It's a mental conditionerational generational problems with us. Yeah, and
• 28:16
  Speaker 8: our friend Gordon Ferry, who's recently written a book about
• 28:18
  Speaker 8: the JFK assassination. It was a worked with the Secret
• 28:22
  Speaker 8: Service and Marine Sniper and all that stuff.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: He worked with Carlos Halfcock.
• 28:25
  Speaker 8: Gordon just said the Jimmy's biggest problem is that he
• 28:28
  Speaker 8: didn't know how to say no. Yeah, he would do
• 28:31
  Speaker 8: whatever you you know if the.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: Told you know, what would happen if he did say no?
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he gets like a fire and squad from about
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: fifty guys, shooting them all at once. Some of his
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: padre is dead over time, He's like one of the
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: last few that's left. They just killed all those guys
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: over time.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's the other thing.
• 28:53
  Speaker 8: I'm fearful for a lot of the GRS guys that
• 28:57
  Speaker 8: they get in situations and they're asked to do certain things.
• 29:00
  Speaker 8: That's enough, Special Agent Thomas Shipman.
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: But I just wanted to show you that he is
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: still alive. He is still doing shows. People are giving
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: this guy platform, right Joe, And it's just insane to me.
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: Insane to me me too. So let's go back to
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: the beginning a little bit here.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Okay, tell us a little bit about his early life,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: if you will.
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: Well, nobody really knows very much about his early life
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: other than the fact that he what he says. Okay,
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: now the interesting part about that. Let me see if
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: I can pull this up here, So going way way back.
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: You know, what he tells us is he was born
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: in nineteen forty two, Okay, which would have made him
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: twenty one in nineteen sixty three. He claims to be Joe.
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: Do me a favor while I talk about this. Pull
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: see if you can pull up the operation for the
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: famous Operation forty picture for everybody.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: What the one in the congo?
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: No, they're all sitting around the table. Okay, thank you, Brandon.
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: I figured this this.
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: I mean, we haven't even done anything yet. Apparently there's
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: some haters in the haters in the crowd.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, oh the one around the table right right? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, okay, Okay,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: I'm bringing it up.
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: Okay, I have it now. Files clean to be a
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: part of Operation forty, which he classified as an assassination squad. Yes,
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: fiddle fuck with Tosh Plumbley, Barry Seal and who is
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: the other skafoozo?
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: There was buddies with.
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: George Bush, Felix Rodriguez, Okay. Frank Fiorini allegedly covering his face.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm bringing up right now,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: just taking a second.
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: Come on, slow, Joe, this.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: New laptop man's it's annoying. All right, let me share
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: this tab joey tabs as I am h sounds Spartacus.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Why is this taking so long? Oh? Here we go?
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: All right, now there's a lot of skuffoozas in this picture. Now,
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: James Files claims to be. If you're looking at the
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: picture from the right to the left, So on the
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: right you have this dude with the pencilton mustache. Right,
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: you have a guy covering up his face, supposedly Frank Sturgis.
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: It doesn't look like him to me.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Does look like him to me either?
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: Allegedly James Files is the third guy behind Sturgis. Okay, now, Joe,
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: while you're there, go stee. If you can get to
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: the operation forty tab on Spartacus, tell me when it
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: was formed?
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm okay, Oh sorry? Should I put it back
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: up for everyone while I look for it and just
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: read it?
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: Well you should have, but it's too late.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Now I'll do it. You can do it. It's not
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: too late. People have a couple of seconds, all right,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Operation forty right. This photograph was taken a nightclub in
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Mexico City on January twenty second, nineteen sixty three. It
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: has been argued by Daniel Hopsicker that the man the photograph,
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: that all the members, all the men in the photograph
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: are members of Operation forty. Hopsicker suggests that the men
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: the man closest to the camera as Felix Rodriguez next
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: to Peter Gross and Barry Seal like you mentioned, and
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: of course Frank sturgis attempting to hide his face with
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: his coat. It has been claimed that the that in
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: the picture the Alberta Albertado Robano fourth right, and then you.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Virtually every one of the field agents and Upper forty
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: were Cubans. This included Antonio Vinciana, Louis Posada, Orlando Bosh,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Raphael Quintal.
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: You read, hey, stop reading them all, and a bunch
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: of I it was established.
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: Shut up.
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: The Operation forty was not actually established until March night. Joe,
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: I'm done, stop reading names.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Operations.
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: I didn't know this is an Operation forty.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Show you doing, dude, till you told me to just
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: remove it?
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: No, I said, stop reading names.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: I know, but you had a lot of interesting names.
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: I had you pull it up so I can see
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: when I'm Operation forty was formed to make a point
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: and get there. You're just reading names.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: Right, So Files is wrong about when Operation forty was formed.
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: No, he never said when it was formed. He just
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: said he was part of it, trying to make a
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: point when it was formed that he couldn't have been
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: a part of it because he's supposedly in a fucking
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: jungle and layouts right according to him.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't fifty nine slash sixty. And don't worry,
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: we're not fighting, honey dancer, We're just parsing it out.
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: It's now following directions tiny.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: Nineteen fifty nine to nineteen sixty he was in the
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: eighty second Airborne in Vietnam, which of course is not
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: the Navy. And this is according to Supartancas.
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and he would have been seventeen years old at
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: the time. So, I mean, there's a lot of problems
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: with this, not the least of which are there are
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: no none, zero military files for James Sutton, which is
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: his name right before he changed it, right, there are
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: no military files for James Sutton whatsoever. Ever.
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: Okay, So it probably wasn't even there.
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you can't even believe that part of the story
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: because we have no there's no verifiable military files at all,
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: nor contrast out to what we have with Lee Harvey Oswald.
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: You know, we got enough to fill two giant folder
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: drawers full of you know, military records, and.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: You would have them through ancestry.
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: I mean, just to you have something.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: Just to bring it back to James Herbert Martin for
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: a second, you and I found his military application card.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: It's not the right term, but in nineteen forty five,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: I believe it was July or May or something like that.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: We found it on anterest ancestry. So yeah, it's the Airborne.
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: Now, I just don't know. I just don't see you
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: seventeen year old, eighteen year old being sent on special
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: undercover missions to layouts in joint ops with the Navy
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: Seal who weren't even formed until nineteen sixty two, right,
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: just saying.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Brandon might be biased because he was Airborne.
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: Well, no, I mean I know they do.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: I'm just joking with him.
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: They do joint us with everybody now, But I'm saying
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: back when they were first formed, right, it probably wasn't
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: like that right away.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: So this is the thing about the James File story.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: When you listen to the I guess it was a
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Dutch documentary done in nineteen sixty four. And then I'm
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: going to go through some of the documents and FBI
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: documents that talk about it, like in the month and
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: a bunch of his claims during it, and then we'll
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: do some video maybe on part two on Wednesday. He's convincible.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: He is very articulate, much more than I am. Unfortunately,
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: he makes he has a lot of information. He's just
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: kind of throwing around. So if you want to nitpick
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: everything he says, you could kind of convince people that
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: he's kind of, you know, was involved. But when you
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: really dial down, there's a problem. There are many problems.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: There are many problems. Does that make sense.
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so far we can't confirm that he was in
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: the military at all when he says he was. We
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: can't confirm that he was in Dallas, Texas on November
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: twenty second, nineteen sixty three. Because oh hold on.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I wish so, I said, I go on too
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: many rents translation this is the Irish translation.
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: Okay, NBC retained me as a consultant for their planned
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: story on Files. This comes from Edward j Epstein, noted
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: author of several JFK related books.
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: I hired a detective firm of Jules Kroll.
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: He established from telephone records the Files was in Chicago,
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: not Dallas, on November twenty second. We then placed a
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: call to Files from Dick Clark Production's office and I
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: interviewed Files about kroll findings. He said he had a
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: twin brother that nobody knew about. And this is what
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: Files are saying. Files said that he had a twin
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: brother that nobody knows about, and whom he met shortly
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: before November twenty second, and who he murdered after November
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: twenty second. And he said it with this now murdered
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: twin brother that was actually in the hospital with his
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: wife and not him on November twenty second. His wife, however,
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: at the time, James Files, his wife at the time,
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: confirmed that there was no twin to the private detective.
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: My view then and now is that Files invented the
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: story for the money that it would earn him, and
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: I agree, yeah, so we can't confirm that he was
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: even in the military. He was investigated at the time
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: that he came out with his claims because they wanted
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: to do the story Dick from Dick Clark Productions. They
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: wouldn't touch him with a ten foot poll after they
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: figured out that he wasn't even in Dallas on November
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: twenty second, sixty three. And then he comes up with
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: a crazy story that said, why I figured out I
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: had a twin brothers shortly before that, and he was
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: in the hospital with my wife while I was in Dallas,
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: you know, killing JFK. And then I came back and
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: I killed him, so he couldn't tell nobody, but his
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: wife's confirmed that there was no twin. So how do
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: you like them? Ankles? Chris, You've done your research, so
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: have I, motherfucker SOVI, so strap in because we are
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: nowhere near done. No, so let's continue. So again, he
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: alleges to be in the Chicago mob outfit with Chucky Nicoletti,
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: Tony Jacardo, Sam g and Kanna.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: Do we have any proof of that, Joe Johnny Roselli.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen any me either.
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: So you would think the FBI would have some files
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: or something, you know, going back to the seventies. Uh,
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: But apparently they don't.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: Or sixties right, yeah, now, well maybe I found something.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: We'll see.
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: Well, the claims that James Files makes is that Chris,
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: you're listening right on November, the week before November twenty second,
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: he claims that he drove a car load of guns,
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: or he drove to Mesquite, Texas where there was a
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: shitload of guns, one of the two, and that Lee
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: Harvey Oswald drove over to meet him in Mesquite, Texas
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: and stayed with him for a week, a.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: Few days at least, yes.
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and while together they practiced shooting said guns, sighting
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: in said guns, and that Lee Harvey Oswold was showing
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: him around Dallas all the escape routes so he could
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: memorize him so he could make a clean get away,
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: despite however, us having Lee Harvey Oswold's time cards from
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: the school books depositors thing that he was actually worked
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: there every day and everybody that he worked with that
• 45:03
  Speaker 5: he was there every day that week. So explain that on, Chris,
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: mm hm oh yeah, because you know, the FBI is
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: you know, a big cover up. If they believed in
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: James Files, they would have arrested him and charged him.
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: In nineteen ninety three when he first came out and
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: said this shit. But they didn't do nothing because Files
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: is full of shit.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: Right and rob Let's we went on an epic one
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: hour thought experiment on members only. Let's do another thought experiment.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: And I know I'm going to leave your story about
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: Files to the end. But what fool Skufuza puts goes
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: on the grassy roll and in nineteen ninety four admits that, hey,
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: I was the guy that killed the president. What like,
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: what does that accomplish? Notoriety? Maybe if you argue with
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: hard enough. It just doesn't make sense to me.
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: Look, he was arrested in nineteen ninety one, okay, and
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: he was looking at doing a lot of time.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, almost fifty years.
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: And he did a lot of time, right, you know,
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: he was paroled in twenty sixteen. But from you know,
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: ninety one to twenty sixteen, that's what twenty five years?
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: Is that twenty five years or thirty five years?
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: I think it's thirty five twenty sixteen, No, it's twenty
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: six that's twenty five.
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, twenty five years. So he ended up doing like
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: half of his sentence, right.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: Right, which, as usual in a lot of cases.
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah, now, because he claims in nineteen sixty three, you
• 47:01
  Speaker 5: know that he's working at an organized crime hit man
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: and working as a driver for Charles Chucky, the typewriter
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: Nicoletti and File said that he and Nicoletty were sent
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: to Dallas in November to participate in the JFK assassination
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: on behalf of the mob. He claimed that Nicoletti was
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: armed with a semi automatic Marlin thirty out six rifle.
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: From nineteen thirty seven to nineteen thirty eight. Marlin did
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: produce an excellent Joe Johnson semi automatic thirty out six
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: where we heard of that rifle being introduced into the
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: storyline before a few times. Yeah, Lauren Hall, for one,
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: when he picked up Jerry Hemming's rifle in Los Angeles
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: before heading.
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: To Dallas with it.
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: Yes, and that's verifiable, Chris, that's actually an an n
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: FBI document, not.
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: A bullshit story. Let's see.
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: So May seventh, nineteen ninety one is when all this
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: shit went down, and supposedly Files shot a police officer,
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: didn't kill him, but shot him, and uh, all right,
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: we'll look at the difference of that here in a second.
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: He's also made several claims about David Atley Phillips being
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: a CIA handler, which is pretty funny.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I mean I had a figure.
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: This guy, at this point in his life is allegedly
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: working as a dry for a hit man from the
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: Chicago mafia, and a CIA guy is going to approach
• 49:07
  Speaker 5: him directly without going through the proper channels right of
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: said hierarchy.
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: Without using an alius right.
• 49:16
  Speaker 5: And send him to Florida to train Cuban exiles at
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: no name. Key.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: Thank you for taking the words out of my mouth
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: that I was about to say.
• 49:24
  Speaker 5: Okay, I mean he's just stealing bits and pieces from
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: everybody else story, right, and.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: He's combining them. And he had a lot he had
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: a lot of time to read in jail, is kind
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: of my conclusion.
• 49:43
  Speaker 5: Well, you figure he's arrested in ninety one, that's when
• 49:46
  Speaker 5: the Oliver Stone movie comes out. That's when this shit
• 49:49
  Speaker 5: gets popular. Right, there was a lot of things on
• 49:53
  Speaker 5: TV back then, there was a lot of books, and
• 49:55
  Speaker 5: I'm sure in the prison library to read. And maybe
• 49:59
  Speaker 5: he was even interested in the assassination before all this
• 50:01
  Speaker 5: shit happened.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: All right, we know, we don't we don't know, And
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go one step further, Roub and get your
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: thoughts on this. I wrote this down earlier. Was this
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: an opportunity for the intelligence community to quote Muddy the
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: Waters and this is my words and be like, yeah,
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: this fool did all these type of things. So this
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: skafuza focuses.
• 50:32
  Speaker 9: You know, you know, the Facebook skaffusa is still repeated
• 50:37
  Speaker 9: to this day, and it happens right in the middle
• 50:43
  Speaker 9: of the a r RB.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: So why not stir the pot with a crazy guy,
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: which I think he was and is and create some
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: conspiracy fodder. Seems like just another syop to me.
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: I don't think that. And here's why.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 51:09
  Speaker 5: So supposedly Joe West, who had previously had some failed
• 51:16
  Speaker 5: JFK revelations with Ricky White and Roscoe White, right, he
• 51:25
  Speaker 5: was trying to bring Ricky out and you know Rosco
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: White story, and oh I didn't.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: Realize the connection.
• 51:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, same guy, okay, And of course that didn't go well.
• 51:38
  Speaker 5: That was quickly debunked, as you know horseshit back then.
• 51:43
  Speaker 5: And then he supposedly tipped off by a retired FBI
• 51:47
  Speaker 5: agent for some reason. And Shelton, Yeah, Zach Shelton.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a couple of things of him.
• 51:57
  Speaker 5: So but at the time he tips off Joe Will
• 52:00
  Speaker 5: he kind of tips him off and steps away from
• 52:02
  Speaker 5: the story. Now he comes back later because Joe West
• 52:06
  Speaker 5: doesn't doesn't live very long after talking to James Files, right.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: He dies like a year or two after or something.
• 52:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and then in steps whim dank Bar. Okay, this
• 52:22
  Speaker 5: big Dutch millionaire who's just got apparently a lot of
• 52:26
  Speaker 5: money to spend. He still owns the copyrights of this story.
• 52:29
  Speaker 5: That's the guy that comes after you when you post
• 52:31
  Speaker 5: anything about James Files from from his books or his
• 52:35
  Speaker 5: interviews that he bought right, which is why.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: We are not playing the video. Maybe I'm members only
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: the second part.
• 52:42
  Speaker 5: But now whim dank Bar is also what a name,
• 52:47
  Speaker 5: by the way, the propagator of Chauncey Holt's story as well.
• 52:53
  Speaker 5: He owns all the rights to that and he is
• 52:55
  Speaker 5: responsible for reading that story to the forefront. Really really,
• 53:01
  Speaker 5: and of course the two stories tie together, Joe, right,
• 53:06
  Speaker 5: because Chauncey Hoult claims that he drove Chucky Nicoletti from
• 53:11
  Speaker 5: Arizona to Dallas, and you know, James Files came down
• 53:15
  Speaker 5: by himself and then he met up later. Right, Chauncey
• 53:21
  Speaker 5: Hoult gave him social or Secret Service identification if he
• 53:25
  Speaker 5: got stopped on the know, you know, I mean just
• 53:29
  Speaker 5: bits and peace is pulled from just everything you've ever
• 53:31
  Speaker 5: heard of about this cake, right.
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: That does?
• 53:37
  Speaker 5: That doesn't help files story at all to be associated
• 53:41
  Speaker 5: with another fraud, verifiable fraud. I'm sure Chris you probably
• 53:46
  Speaker 5: believe the Chauncey whole story too, right, I mean he
• 53:50
  Speaker 5: believes Judy Baker too. You see her on the Dandy
• 53:55
  Speaker 5: Jones podcast.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, I've seen.
• 53:59
  Speaker 5: Her twenty fucking times before and again. She's another one
• 54:03
  Speaker 5: of these frogs that has absolutely zero, proved, zero documentation
• 54:08
  Speaker 5: of anything she's ever said, just like Files.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we did do that on the Members only
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: one one Wednesday, I believe, right, Yeah? Oh Yvan.
• 54:25
  Speaker 5: Now, James Files claims that David Atley Phillips got Oswald
• 54:29
  Speaker 5: his job at the school book Depository. Okay, do you
• 54:40
  Speaker 5: believe that one?
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: No?
• 54:44
  Speaker 5: He said that Kennedy's murder was ordered by the Mob
• 54:47
  Speaker 5: and the CIA, with the main figure being my boss, Tonyaccardo.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: Mm hmmm mm hmm.
• 54:55
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: We've talked about him a lot on our the Chicago episode,
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: but no, I now.
• 55:03
  Speaker 5: He also claims that the CIA, at the last moment
• 55:05
  Speaker 5: tried to call off the assassination, but Accardo overruled the CIA. Yeah,
• 55:14
  Speaker 5: hurt the tash plumbly part of the story because he
• 55:19
  Speaker 5: brought allegedly Johnny Rosselli to Dallas. And apparently Johnny Rosselli
• 55:27
  Speaker 5: was in the doll Text building with Chucky Nicoletti and
• 55:31
  Speaker 5: he told Chucky, hey, you've got to stop. It's been
• 55:34
  Speaker 5: called off by the agency, and Chucky said, fuck the CIA,
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: We're killing this mother fucker. Apparently at that point Johnny
• 55:44
  Speaker 5: Rosselli said, okay, I'll be your spotter and your and
• 55:47
  Speaker 5: your I'll grab your shells, right, yeah, okay.
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, not to mention, uh he bit his shells with
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: his teeth, which we'll get to, oh, we will, which
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I mean, it was before.
• 56:08
  Speaker 5: DNA, but well, you know, I don't know about you, Joe,
• 56:12
  Speaker 5: but I know as soon as I shoot a hot bullet, right,
• 56:17
  Speaker 5: the first thing you want to do is just shove
• 56:18
  Speaker 5: a hot shell in your mouth and bite it, because
• 56:22
  Speaker 5: you know, getting a giant burned store on the inside
• 56:26
  Speaker 5: of your mouths is so comfortable. Nuts now he claims
• 56:32
  Speaker 5: to have pulled the bullet out right out of the gun,
• 56:36
  Speaker 5: tug in his mouth, bite it and set it up
• 56:38
  Speaker 5: on the grass. You know, pick a sense. Yet it
• 56:43
  Speaker 5: wasn't found.
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: Chris, Please just just listen.
• 56:52
  Speaker 5: Okay again, you're you're just talking out of your ass, dude.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: We're not. Come on, this is for serious thought and discussion.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: Like we're not.
• 57:05
  Speaker 5: You should go watch Michael Jacob's podcast and stay there
• 57:08
  Speaker 5: because that's where you belong.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: Bro.
• 57:10
  Speaker 5: If you want to know the truth, hang out for
• 57:12
  Speaker 5: a while, but otherwise get to step in because you're like,
• 57:19
  Speaker 5: we're up here and you're like way down here. Bro,
• 57:22
  Speaker 5: when your knowledge of the case, Yeah, I'm giving you
• 57:27
  Speaker 5: facts and not one of them is pointed to James
• 57:29
  Speaker 5: Files being legitimate yet just saying yeah. Now, there was
• 57:35
  Speaker 5: a lot of other bullets or shells found in Dally
• 57:39
  Speaker 5: Plaza throughout the years, despite the one that James Files claims.
• 57:45
  Speaker 5: We'll get to in a second. There was something called
• 57:49
  Speaker 5: the Barbie specimen, and this was a thirty caliber in
• 57:54
  Speaker 5: one carbine bullet found embedded in a rooftop near the
• 57:57
  Speaker 5: Stemens Freeway in nineteen sixty six, a quarter mile.
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: From the school Book to Depository.
• 58:02
  Speaker 5: It was examined by the FBI in nineteen sixty seven.
• 58:06
  Speaker 5: They showed little interest at the time due to the
• 58:09
  Speaker 5: fact that the Warrant Commission had already came to their
• 58:11
  Speaker 5: conclusion and closed the case. Doesn't mean anything, probably not.
• 58:16
  Speaker 5: There was the Haythorne specimen. This was a thirty out
• 58:19
  Speaker 5: six jacketed soft point bullet found on the roof of
• 58:22
  Speaker 5: the Massy Building, which is eight blocks away from the
• 58:25
  Speaker 5: school Book Depository, which is pretty goddamn far, in nineteen
• 58:28
  Speaker 5: sixty seven. It was examined by the HSCA in nineteen
• 58:31
  Speaker 5: seventy eight and determined to be manufactured by Rimington. It
• 58:35
  Speaker 5: was a thirty out six, but again eight blocks away
• 58:39
  Speaker 5: from the Scholook Depository. I don't know about that. The
• 58:44
  Speaker 5: Lester specimen was a fifty two point seven grain rear
• 58:48
  Speaker 5: bullet fragment found in Daily Plaza, only five hundred yards
• 58:52
  Speaker 5: from the school Book Depository in nineteen seventy four. It
• 58:57
  Speaker 5: has it was a four groove jacketed soft point or hollowpoint,
• 59:01
  Speaker 5: possibly six and a half millimeter, but definitely not a
• 59:04
  Speaker 5: carcano bullet. The FBI showed no interest whatsoever in this specimen.
• 59:12
  Speaker 5: Then we have the Dow Text specimen. This was a
• 59:15
  Speaker 5: rusted shellcasing found on the roof of the Dow Text
• 59:17
  Speaker 5: building in nineteen seventy seven. It had crimped edges suggesting
• 59:22
  Speaker 5: either that it had been reloaded, was a reloaded bullet
• 59:25
  Speaker 5: or a handloaded bullet, or it was part of a
• 59:27
  Speaker 5: SABO round, which means it was fitted into a larger
• 59:33
  Speaker 5: shellcasing in order to be fired from a certain kind
• 59:36
  Speaker 5: of rifle. Then we have the Wolder bullet shit. This
• 59:42
  Speaker 5: was a separate bullet list that is submitted to testing
• 59:45
  Speaker 5: to the HSCA.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: I do that all the time, Rob, don't worry.
• 59:50
  Speaker 5: In any of the evidence listings. It just simply disappeared.
• 59:54
  Speaker 5: The Belmont bullet. FBI Administrator Alan Belmont reported the FBI
• 59:58
  Speaker 5: Deputy Director Clyde Tolson on November twenty second that a
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 5: bullet had been found lodge behind the President here, but
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 5: there was no further mention of it afterward, especially not
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 5: in the autopsy, which is a problem.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: That's a problem.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 5: I've seen that report. Then we have the Luster cartridge.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 5: The Dallas Morning News reported on November twenty third, seventy
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 5: eight that how Luster had found a fully intact, unfired
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 5: forty five caliber ACP pistol cartridge in seventy six, beside
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 5: the concrete retaining wall on the grassy knoll. And again
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 5: which brings us now to the file shell or shell,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 5: since there was actually two of them file found in there.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 5: One of them had a dent in it, right, the
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 5: other one did not. And remember file setting only filed
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 5: one shot, not too Why are there two identical shells?
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 5: There weren't found until like but the seventies or eighties.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, I think fifteen years later, after sixty three,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: I think you said seventy seven, fourteen fifteen years.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, And it was determined that the the shellcasing
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 5: wasn't even manufactured until after nineteen seventy one, So how
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 5: could Files bite a bullet in nineteen sixty three? There
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 5: wasn't manufactured until seventy one. Again, there's nothing nothing, no
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 5: facts here, no facts here. Well, I don't know where
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 5: you've been doing your research, Chris, because I ain't found
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 5: nothing corroborating Jeans Files's story. I found only things that
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 5: disprove his story. Now, let me show you a picture, Joe,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 5: and I'll hand it off to you. Because this will
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 5: dovetail into something that you have, I believe.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: Let's see, hopefully, hopefully I have it.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 5: You know, I wouldn't throw you a softball, I mean curveball.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: I appreciate that well, a slider. By the way, Rob,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: do you know how many times he used the word
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: allegedly in the household? Probably every day?
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 4: Probably?
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 5: All right, Joe, Here we have a picture, okay, of
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 5: the I believe it's the Model TO two or XP
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 5: one hundred fireball right now, I'm not sure. Allegedly this
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 5: is the early prototype. Allegedly it was called a varmint gun,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 5: used to you know, shoot rats and ship I guess,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 5: for fun and groundhogs and whatnot. It's a bolt action
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 5: pistol is basically what it is. Now, what's the difference here?
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: That looks really fun by.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 5: The way, Yeah, I mean, look a gun. Don't get
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 5: me wrong.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: If I was a kid in the sixties or seventies,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: I would definitely with that, you know.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, But now here is a I believe a model
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 5: that came out the very next year, and I believe it.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 5: There's a slightly different caliber size. There's like a difference
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 5: between a two two to one and a two two
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 5: two and a two two three. Right, all right, Look
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 5: at the size of a barrel on this, Joe. You
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 5: see how I fixed out about I don't know, yeah, yeah,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 5: Now I'm gonna go back to the other photo. Look
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 5: how long the barrel is on this one.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: It's not very long. It doesn't go as long the
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: barrel was as the previous.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 4: To me, this is a glorified.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 5: Cysture action pistol, yes, with a scope. Now this is
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 5: the one. This is the model that he said he
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 5: had in nineteen sixty three that has not been released
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 5: to the public yet. Of course, you know, kind of
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 5: like Beverly Oliver's camera. Another fraud. By the way, Chris,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 5: by the way, if you're keeping four at home again,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 5: he said, it looked more like a thought off rifle,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 5: which is what this one looks like that I believe
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 5: didn't come out until.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: Sixty four or sixty five.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 5: It does have a slightly longer barrel, that's what she said,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 5: and a longer reach in the back, and the scope
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 5: is mounted more towards the middle of the gun or
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 5: right for or whatever the hell this thing is. So
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 5: that's a slight problem when we get to talking about
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 5: the AMMO, which I believe you had something about that, Joe, maybe.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: Yes, I mean I believe you talked about how he
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: said it was a two to two one right round? Yeah, right, Yeah,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: we're going to get into his first or let's let
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: me restate his first half, or maybe first third, if
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: I'm being more accurate of his statement to the Dutch
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: production company, which of course is also a problem. It's
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: not the documents, it's to a production company while he's
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: in prison, So you have to keep all these things.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 5: Well, I don't I don't know what his motivation was.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 5: I mean, he's just been sentenced to what fifty years
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 5: in prison?
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: Fifty years?
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, So what's your play if you don't
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 5: want to spend fifty more years in prison?
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 4: Is your play.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 5: To maybe cut a deal and admit to something that
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 5: you didn't do, but maybe finally solve a case and
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 5: maybe you think they'll give you a deal or something.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: Well, Rob, I'm gonna bring I'm going to bring it
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: back to my point. And in terms of this is
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: right in the middle of the art the assassination record
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: review board, right where they're actually reviewing actual files. Yeah, muddy,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: the fucking waters if you're the intelligence community. That's I
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: think a possible explanation as to why he could have
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: gotten a better deal, if you will or whatever. I
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 4: I don't say I don't buy to see I put
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 4: him to this.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: No, I didn't even say the CIA. It could be whoever.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 5: I mean, like makers.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: I mean yeah, but I'm saying, muddy the waters, fuck
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: with everything you can and just make everyone.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 5: They didn't need to at that point, Joe.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: I'm saying the ARB was actually doing pretty decent work.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't put it and it just started in ninety four.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't put it past them, is what I'm saying.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: So I don't think so, but I'm just bringing it
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: up as a possibility. Listen, this is a discussion point.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: I'm not arguing one way or the other. I'm just
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: saying when I'm reading this, I'm looking at the timeline.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 5: I'm saying interesting, I'm saying files and I'm thinking about
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 5: the timeline. I'm thinking that's interesting.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, you have the JFK movie coming out.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: What the year before he comes out? Was it ninety
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: one ninety.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 5: Two, same year he got arrested.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: I know, but I'm saying, why not muddy the waters?
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: Why not use some skafooza, shave a couple of years,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: shave a couple of years, and muddy the waters. That's
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: that's all I'm bringing up. And I'm not saying it's true.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: I'm saying that's what came to my mind when I
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: was looking at the timing. Okay, what's what's so ridiculous
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: about that?
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 5: I'm just I just don't see him needing to do
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 5: something like that, And why did they pick this dumb
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 5: bunck to do that?
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, I mean you would need to pick a
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: dumb fuck because we have dumb focks fucking right now
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: in the common section, you know what I mean. So
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: it obviously had some effect, you know what I mean.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I really don't know the answer.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 5: But fiercy theory out there without any evidence to back
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 5: it up.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's an honor of James Files. All right,
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: share share my ship, bro, the fucking layers.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 5: Oh man, that happening we're sharing?
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: Is this happening again?
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 5: Oh? Johnny Black screen.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: Johnny Black screaming. All right, well, Rob, I found files
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: on James files pre nineteen sixty three.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it's not him.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: I know. I was saying, if you're going to catch
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: that James Files was James E Files, not James J. Files.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: But it did come up with my search, and it
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: has to do with some I don't know Skuffuzery lounge.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 5: And fbis in Mississippi.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but ironically Biloxi was somewhere where Oswalt was stationed
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: for training, which is just a coincidence, I believe, But
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: I thought it would be funny. I'm not suggesting anything.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: I just wanted to joke that I found some files
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: on files. Yeah, this is the files on files I found.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: So all right, oh man, let's go through my PowerPoint.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: So let's go to February of nineteen ninety four, where
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: you know, of course the FBI is on top of
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: most skuffuzi that is going on foolishness. This is the
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: end of February, actually the last day I think if
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: there was not a leapier James files inmate Houston airtel
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: to director captioned James Files inmate joylt in Illinois, blah
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: blah blah, captioned skip through some of this memorandum of Dallas.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 5: You can skip that whole paragraph.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, and closed for DL are copies of reference
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: communications Houston Airtel blah blah blah. Oh, by the way,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: again on my birthday, CG, I don't know what that means,
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: Chief of Group. That's a guess. Interview James Files on
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: August ninth, ninety three and reported results on form FD
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: three oh two. So he has a three or two file.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: Now Files is an inmate at the Illinois Department of
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: Directions the assassination about the assassination of John F. Kennedy
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: and alleges that he himself was an active parts participant
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: in the assassination. CG has advised that files information lacks
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: credibility and corroboration. So this is even before this Dutch
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: company and production company interviews him.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 5: They're like, bro, yeah, this is when Joe West is
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 5: still alive and he wants to interview and he wants
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 5: to interview him while he's in prison.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: All right, Well, let's say Joe West deceased here, Okay,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: it might have been just when he was deceased. Maybe
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: he interviewed him a little bit before. You know, DL's
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: request about blah blah blah blah. So now we get
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: to again, we were in February ninety four. Now we're
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: in March ninety four, and this is when we have
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: the videotaped interview with James Files. And if you want
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: to google it, just google James Files. You'll find it.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 5: If you're it's all over YouTube.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, if you can a million reviews.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: If you can't, get off this channel. But I will
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: say this, Rob, and I think I said it before,
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: Dude is convincing. He's very affirmative in his statements, and
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: he does have a decent amount of knowledge where the
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: skafuzas the foolish people could take.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 5: It for where these these liars have convinced themselves that
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 5: they really are part of the story. Right, Look no
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 5: further than Judith Baker, Look no further than Beverly Oliver,
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 5: Look no further than James Files, Look no further than Chauncey.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 5: I mean, we can say here, list everybody that's playing
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 5: to be a part of the assassination over the years.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: No, I'm just saying, as I was watching the interview,
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: as I was preparing for the show, he sounded somewhat convincing. No,
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying I believe it.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 4: I'm saying I'm saying.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 5: I'm saying, like the same thing in common.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: He did his homework.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 5: If you watch Judy Baker talk, she's done her homework
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 5: as well.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: Right right, Well, I'm saying like this dude, obviously in jail,
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: had a lot of time in the Statesville Correctional Center
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: in Illinois State Penitentiary Juliette, Illinois, had time to do
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: his homework. Yeah, which which is why I think so
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: many people think his story is legitimate. I, for the record,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: give a zero point zero zero percent.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 5: Chance even even one year if you've got nothing else
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 5: to do, is a long fucking time, bro right right,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 5: and read and make notes and go over things and
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 5: get things straight in your head.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: And in prison, what else of the fuck are you
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: gonna do?
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 5: Exactly what else are you gonna do?
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: Right? So, I think on Wednesday Show, when I get
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: back from the archives, we will play some of that
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: because that is obviously we won't get dinged from a
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: copyright aspect from it. Maybe the second part of it,
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: but I clipped the first part of it. Who is
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: Charles Nicoletti? And again I'm skipping because this is like
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: fifty plus pages and I'm not going to read fifty pages,
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: Charles Nicoletty File says, at the time, he was an
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: up and coming figure with organized crime, and he was
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: known as one of the local hitmen. As far as
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: I'm concerned, he was the best that ever lived, as
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: far as I'm concerned. So thanks for reiterating that, mister.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 5: Need to talk about and blame somebody who already did.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: Right, what mafia family did he work for? He was
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: out of the Chicago family. Who would he have who
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: would have been the boss of the Chicago family at
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: that time, Tony Jocardo. And this is what I was mentioning,
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: Like he mentioned, like he he said a cardo like
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: without hesitation, right, So that's all I'm saying. I'm not
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: giving any credence to his claims whatsoever. I'm just saying,
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: like he sounds convincing when you watch the video.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 5: Lost in sixty three or was Gene conn.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: Was gin Conna in Mexico at that time?
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 5: No, he didn't go until like sixty seven, like later.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: Okay, then you could be wrong about that too.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of when you actually
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: like dig deep into it, there's a lot of issues.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of problems with the story. James Fox,
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: where were you on November twenty second, sixty three. I
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: was in dely Plaza. I arrived at Plaza shortly before
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: ten am that morning. Again, if you were actually in
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: Deli Plaza and you're in jail, and this is what
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: ninety four you said, he got arrested in ninety one,
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: a fifty year sentence. Why the hell, just thought experiment,
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: Why the hell would you admit to being involved in
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: the assassination of the president. How could that help you
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: in any way?
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, here you go, Joe. In nineteen fifty seven, a
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 5: Cardo turned down the official position as boss of Chicago
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 5: because of heat from.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: The eye fifty seven yep, okay.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 5: We stepped away from the day to day running of
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 5: the organization, still retaining considerable power though any respect, but
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 5: not officially being balls. Giacona stepped in uh with the
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 5: grace of Accardo en Rica on major business, including murder.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, pay attention, Chris. My reason for being
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: there at this point was to look the area over.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: This would be Deeply Plaza. I had driven a vehicle
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: down there, and I had taken several weapons to Dallas
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: for what purpose did you do this? I did this
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: for the sole purpose of the assassination of John F. Kennedy. Ok.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: Who instructed you to do this? James? Tell me the
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: story in your words. The story started back, oh, roughly
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: six months prior to that, when mister Nicoletti contacted me
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: one eve and I had met with him and he
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: instructed me that he was going to do a friend
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: of mine. It was more like a personal joke because
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: I had never liked John F. Kennedy since the Chianos
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: Bay affair, which was the Bay of Pigs. Where were
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: you at the Bay of Pigs, Jimmy, James Walls? No,
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: I was not the Bay of Pigs, but I had
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: helped train several of the operatives that were involved at
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: the Bay of Pigs.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, he was down there with the Jerry Hemming
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 5: and the no name key.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when he had a break from his driving job
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: of Nicolette, Right.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, when he wasn't in layouts with the Seals.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: Right. Well, I was a little before, but still, yeah,
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: he puts himself everywhere, right, which is a problem. I
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: helped train them on what they call what we called
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: gator ridge back then. Some people refer to as no
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: name key. Some people call it Assassin Bridge. It was
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: in the Everglades down there in Florida. We worked solely
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: with the Cubans. At that time. We had supplied them
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: with weapons. The weapons had come basically from the government,
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: from the CIA. They had been heavily involved in that.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: And at that time David Atlee Phillips was my controller.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: Here we go. So I had never liked Kennedy since
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: he had backed out on us and we didn't get
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: enough firepower, and I felt that we had been betrayed. Okay,
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: I guess you're a Cuban exile now right.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 5: I was in charge of the Western Hemisphere operations, was
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 5: his controller?
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, But I at this that point I had
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: never even considered killing anybody at all over the situation.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: But when Charles Nicoletti told me that we were going
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: to do my friend, I thought they were referring to
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: a local party in town. And I said, why the hell,
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: What the hell did he do? He laughed, He goes, no,
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: not him, this is Nicoletti laughed, No, not him. We're
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: going to do JFK the President. I was a little
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: bit shocked at first, but I said, fine, Hey, fine, great,
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter to me. I was game for anything he
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: wanted to do. And then we discussed it and he
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: asked me what I thought about Johnny Rosselli working with us,
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: and I said, hey, fine, I like Johnny got no problems.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 5: There because he knew Johnny Rosselli before November twenty second,
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 5: sixty three.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: Right, And was Nicoletti really going to ask Files about
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: his opinion on Rosselli. I mean, Rosselli was much higher
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: when you think about the Mafia plots then Files. So
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: why would Nicoletti ask about Rosselli?
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 5: Well, and at that time, I don't think Johnny Roselli
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 5: was spending very much time in Chicago in nineteen sixty
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 5: thirty or sixty two.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: It stinks, man, So you knew Johnny Rosselli before that day.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: I knew Johnny Rosselli before that day. How did you
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: know him? I had met Johnny Roselli in Miami and
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: discussed a few things with him. So now he's involved
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: in them off last as well, and he I had
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: met him through David Attlee Phillips. We talked about this
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: all right.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 5: Let me stop you right there. Because Johnny roselli CI
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 5: handler was Harvey William William Harvey, Right, David Attley Phillips, correct, correct,
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 5: Please continue.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, David Attlee Phillips was an operative for the CIA. Great,
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: you read that in a book. In the fucking nineties
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: though time everyone got to be fairly well good for
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: But I grew up basically under Nicoletti's wing. CHUCKA told
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: me we were going to do it. We'd first originally
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: planned to the assassination in Chicago, but a lot of
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: people didn't like that idea, so then it was moved
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: to a lot of another locations. Like they're going to
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: fill them in on all this shit, right, Like, get
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: the get the fuck out of here? When would you
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: say we planned it? Could you clarify we? Well, when
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: I say we, files continues. I was just with mister Nicolette.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: Whatever he said do, I would do Whenever I when
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: I say we, I'm referring like the only thing I
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: did was just drive the car or whatever that they
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: needed the car. Mister Nicoletti had asked me at that
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: point when we decided not to do it in Chicago.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: So again he's in on these conversations, and it was
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: going to be moved to Dallas when JFK had decided
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: to go to Dallas a week in advance. I took
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty three Chevrolet that we had at the
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: time I left, and I went down a week earlier.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: I picked up the weapons from a storage bin that
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: we had been that we had and loaded them in
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: the car and everything that I thought we might need
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: with a various assortment, and I left and I drove
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: to Dallas. I stayed at a place that, like you
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, rob Mesquite, Texas. Once I got there, I
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: called back and notified mister Nicoletti that I was there
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: and I was on the scene. The following day, Lee
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: Harvey Oswald came by the motel where I was at.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: They had given him my location, and he took me
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: out to a place somewhere southeast of Mesquite where I
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: test fired the weapons and calibrated the scopes on anything
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: that might be needed. Then he was with me for
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: a few days in town, which we talked about. So
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: Lee Oswalt spent time with you. He knew why you
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: were there, You knew why he was there. Lee Harvey
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: Oswalt knew that I was there, but I never told
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: him why I was there.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 5: He had just fight since spending many days together and
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 5: fighting in weapons and show him around the best exit
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 5: points of Dallas. They never talked about killing the president, sure, correct.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: Right, he had just come over and been told and
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: again he was over in June of sixty two, so
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: he had I don't know if he meant come over
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: from Russia, but and Lee had been told to stay
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: with me and to help me out and assist in
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: any way he could. Lee Harvey Oswald and I never
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: discussed the assassination of j Okay. I discussed that with
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: no one because of my part of it. I had
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: no part of the assassination at that time. All I
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: did was go down, take the car down, take the
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: weapons down, clean the weapons, calibrate the scopes. That's all
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: I did. Make sure everything I skipped at a little
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: bit over it.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 5: Because David Attley Phillips was, of course Lee Harvey Oswalt's
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 5: handler as well as we pull from another fucking story, right.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: Right, Johnny ROSSELLI said we were going to meet a
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: man by the name of Jack Ruby. Can't go anywhere
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: without name dropping Jack Ruby, of course, Oh yeah, that
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: he had some things we had to pick up when
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: we got there Johnny ROSSELLI told me that. He said,
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go in and sit in a booth.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: He says, you wait and come in later. He says,
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: sit somewhere else where you can keep an eye on me.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out the worrying of that, because
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: it's not making sense to me.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 5: He's basically saying, you come in after me and sit
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 5: somewhere where you can keep an eye on me in
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 5: case something goes wrong.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Cover, Well, that's the next I don't know if
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: you read it, but that's the next one partial sentence.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: In case something goes wrong, I want you to cover
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: my backside. Well, Jack Ruby might have said that I
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: will give files that that's a joke. Was it not good?
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 5: Well, he was talking to files allegedly, not Ruby or
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 5: Ruby didn't say that.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: Okay, I just saw a backside and I thought ruby.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: So I positioned myself after Johnny Roselle. He went in,
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: I sit at the counter, ordered a cup of coffee,
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: and they were weighted. Blah blah blah blah blah.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 4: Now let me ask you a question.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 5: Before you read that first five words of a sentence,
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 5: would you describe Jack Ruby as a real heavy set gentleman.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: Not real heavy set.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 5: No, no me either.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: No, I mean he was like plumpy if you will, right,
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: have a little bit of that man. I mean he
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: might have had a little bit of a gut on him.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: He might have been thicker than say Lee Harvey Oswald,
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: who was maybe like one hundred fi.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but I guarantee Ruby was probably around one eighty five.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 5: I mean, it wasn't like he was two seventy five
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 5: or something, you.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: Know, right, but it's not this real heavy no that gentleman.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: That's that's very different. Yeah. Right, And he went over
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: he knew Verselli. I assume they shook hands. I assume
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: because they shook hands, they talked for a minute, and
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: then they sit down together in the booth. They passed
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: of Jeff Ruby was Jewish, so pass over. Uh. I'm
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: gonna say probably a five point nine inch envelope five
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: point nine envelope, Manila envelope that had some material in
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: it at that point. Now, Rob, does this remind you
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: of the Lawrence Howard story? Not saying that that was
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: the size of the envelope.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 5: But Thomas Beckham Lawrence Howard's story. We took an envelope
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 5: to Dallas and gave it to Lawrence Howard.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: Correct. Correct, So again he's kind of picking pieces from
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: the whole story. After a couple of minutes, he got up,
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: they shook hands, he left. I went out to the
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: parking lot, made sure the air was clear, made sure
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: the air was clear. Okay, started the car up, pulled
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: up by the door. Johnny Roselli came out and got
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: the car. I never met Jack Ruby, never said hello
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: or anything. Risella got in the car with me and
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: we started back to Dallas. He opened the envelope and
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: there was an identification in there for secret service people,
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: which Rob you mentioned earlier.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 5: Real quick. James Files didn't meet him until after he
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 5: returned from Lamos. Uh. Heming never admitted to meeting James
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 5: Files and having lived well into the two thousands and
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 5: was still actively being interviewed about things and being active
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 5: on the education forum answering questions, and.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 4: He never.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 5: Corroborated James Files as bullshit about being.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: And that kind of says a lot prob because having
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: made up a lot of stories, as you know here. Yeah,
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: he opened the envelope and there were something already Nicoletti.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: I cut it off. Mister Nicoletti came down and got
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: in the car with me and we drove to Daley Plaza.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: Now again we're on the morning of the twenty second.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: We got to Dli Plaza shortly before ten o'clock. From
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: there we parked the car. It had been drizzling rain
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: that morning. Again reading much mister Files, kind of a
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: cool morning out. I had parked the car beside the
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: dall text building. Mister Nicolette and I got out and
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: we walked up and down the complete area of Daly Plaza.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: We covered every corner, walked by the buildings, looked over
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: several different things. We were just talking, having casual talk
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: about the weather and everything. At about ten thirty, Nicolette
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: asked me how I would feel in supporting him. So
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: now you don't know what's going on. I don't know.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to keep track of this, in backing him
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: up on this, and he told me I wouldn't fire
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: unless it became absolutely necessary. I told Nicolette, Jesus, I'd
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: be honored to do anything to back you up. He
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: asked me, if you was to be outside here, would
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: you position yourself at the Dally Plaza I told him.
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: I said, well, from looking everything over and from walking
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: it in the week i've been down here, I think
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: I would choose up there behind the tree, behind the
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: stockade fence on the high bridge, by the knoll up there.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: He says, why there, I says, well, I've got the
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: railroad track in the back of me. Well, we've got
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: a parking lot there, and I've got a place where
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: I can stash whatever I would need. I said, I
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: could pass myself as a railroad worker in the railroad
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: yard for the time being until that time. Rock before
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: he continued, whose story is he's stealing this from? Now?
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the deaf mute ed Hoffman. Yep, I mean he's
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 5: pulling stuff from everywhere, from his and most of the
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 5: people's stories that he's pulling from are dead right.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: What was the last word? I said, I could pass
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: myself as a railroad worker in the railroad yard for
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: the time being until that time. I skipped a bit something,
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: walked around through there and seemed pretty well pleased with that.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: Then at that point, oh, it was about eleven ten.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 5: He's a railroad worker with a briefcase. Doesn't stand out
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 5: all right?
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: He asked me, what weapon I would choose to use
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: over there. I told him I would like to use
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: the fireball. He said, hey, why that one? He said,
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: You've only got one shot. I said, one SHOT's all
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: I'm going to get anyway if I will until the
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: last moment of fire, and I may not fire, I said.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: And it's easy to conceal, and I carried in a briefcase,
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: and nobody will pay attention to me, and it's easier
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: to walk away from there. And that's exactly what we
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: did at that point. Shortly before noon. We went back
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: to the vehicle. I look at the briefcase. I look
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: the briefcase out, and I'm sorry.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 4: Excuse me, please clear that out of there.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I look the briefcase out and turn my jacket
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: inside out. I went back into the yard, the railroad yard. There,
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: I secured the briefcase. Then I hung out back there
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: and I walked down on the grassy knoll. No one
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: paid any attention. People were gathering shortly before the mortarcate came.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: I went back up there and started securing myself in
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: a better position so i'd be able to reach the
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: attache case. At the point of the briefcase. I knew
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: once that I opened the briefcase up and pulled the
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: weapon out, no one, nobody's going to be looking at me.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: The motorcate would becoming so it didn't even set up
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: making the first time, and I wouldn't have to remove it,
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: hold on and I wouldn't have to remove it, remove
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: the fireball sorry, from the breecase, the gun and until
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: approximately they made the first turn on Elms. Uh. And
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: I'm skipping a little bit ahead here.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: And we're getting into the shot sequence here that he
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: had been hitting the body that I didn't know what
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: part at the time. I had seen the body lurch,
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: and I saw the body lurch again. I had another
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: shot that missed. Okay, we were supposed to hit no
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: one but Connolly. Huh, I mean no one but mister Kennedy.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: I guess. Oh, he says we didn't mean to hit Commony.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: I guess Governor Connley got hit with one of the rounds.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: At that point. I wasn't even sure at that because
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: I was keeping Kennedy as best I could in the
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: scope of the fireball. When I got hit to the
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: point where I thought it would be the last field
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: of fire I had zeroed in on the left side
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: of the head. Again too specific for me. There detail,
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: yes that I had, because if I waited any longer
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: than oh, there's no that, then Jacqueline Kennedy would have
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: been in the line of fire and I had been
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: instructed for nothing to happen to her. And at that moment,
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: I figured this is my last chance for a shot,
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: and he had still not been hit in the head.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: So as I fired that round, mister Nicoletti and I
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: fired approximately at the same time as the head started
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: forward and it went backward. I would have to say
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: that his shell struck approximately a thousandth of a second
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: ahead of mine, maybe because that's what started pushing the
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: head forward, which caused me to miss the left eye.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: And I came in on the left side of the temple.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 5: And again, who aims for somebody's fucking eyeball when they're
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 5: shooting at somebody, Like, really, you're shooting, you're aiming in
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 5: an eyeball?
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: Come on, man, right, he's obviously read a lot. At
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: that point through the scope, I witnessed everything matter and
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: skull bring blown out. That's a typo. Brain blown out
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: to the lack of the limousine, and everyone in television
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: watching saw Jackie Kennedy crawl out there to get it.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: I watched her hold it in her hand. How did
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: you exit the plaza? That they ask? Well, when I
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: exited the plaza, I walked out to the edge of
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: the stock eate fence. I did not walk down the steps.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: I walked back over across the grass to the dead
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: end street that ends there by the parking lot. And
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: I proceeded too. I believe that's Houston across to Houston
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: went into the dal Tech's parking lot. So I guess
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: he's saying he went out the back ish.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I'll show you James Files leaving Daly Plaza
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 5: here in a minute. Okay.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: When I got into the car, mister Nicoletti, who was
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: obviously in the dalt X building, was already in the car,
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: and was so was Johnny ROSSELLI. I got in the
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: car and drove away. Question what happened to the shellcasing
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: that you fired at John Kennedy? The shellcasing that I
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: fired at JFK. When I took out the weapon. It's
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: one of those moments where you feel like everything else
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: and I guess I was a little bit cocky with
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: it all. I took the casing and I put it
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: in my mouth hole. There's a joke in there somewhere.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: I put another casing cartridge into that one before putting
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: into the case. And as I started to leave, I
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: took the casing and I put it down on the
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: casing to leave teethmarks on it as I was set.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: As I set the casing as a symbol right on
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: the top of the stockade fence where I know I
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: should have ever done that, But I did that. Oh man.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: Over the years, though continued continued other people. I've left
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: certain people. I've left certain trademarks along the way. Oh yeah,
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: that's smart move. But the casing was mine, and it
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: had teeth marks on it, and no one knew it
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: was teeth marks until recently in nineteen ninety four, and
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: they just had examined to find out that it was
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: teeth marks on there. But I left before I left
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: it more or less as a signature of my calling card.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: How did John Rizselli and Nicoletty get into the Daltex
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: building That I could not say, but I would believe
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: that they went through the front door. We had a
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: side door they would be exiting from and I had
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: parked the burgundy colored Chevrolet there, the sixty three I
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: was striving. I'd parked that in the lot there. But
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: when they entered the Dell text Building.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 5: I was not there.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: I was on site back into the rail road yard
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: at that point. Are you sure that they were in
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: the Dell text Building question? I'm positive because I had
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: the car parked there. They were going to come out
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: through the door pull their weapon. Well, Johnny ROSSELLI had
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: no weapon. Nicoletti was the one that carried the rifle
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: in there. Again, how would you know that that had
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: been secured and he put that back in the trunk
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: of the vehicle. Oh, I thought he would. I thought
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: he took Oh, he took his rifle out from the
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: railroad yard. Okay, I'm just trying to keep track of
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: a story. I knew that was in the trunk because
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: it was still there when I got to the motel.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: I took it out because that was the plan was
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: for him to come out put it in his trunk.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: I would have the briefcase, I would slide something something something.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: So what do you think about that? The first moments
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: of his first statement to Rob.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 4: It's complete horseshit, way too much.
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: Detail, unnecessary detail.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's almost like you know, he's painting a picture
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 5: that he wants you to see but and feel and
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 5: you know.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 4: It's it's a good story.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 5: But again we know we know all about people with
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 5: good stories, they're not always true. Some of the best
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 5: storytellers in the world are complete frouds and fakes. Again,
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 5: look no further than Judy Baker.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: So I did find some a RRB files on this
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: because they did briefly look into this and part of
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: an extremely long document in the morning of nineteen ninety
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: On the spring of ninety two, the late George West,
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: the founder of Truth Truth Truth, which just by that
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: name should probably tell you it's not truth, received to
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: call from Beaumont, Texas. The FBI agent Zach Shelton, who
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: you referred to earlier. Agent Shelton requested an off the
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: record meeting with mister West at a location between Boston
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: and Beaumont Agency. Oh, Houston, Beaumont, you're right, Yeah, it
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: looked like could be, Thank you, sir. Agent Shelton and
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: private investigator West also had a second meeting at which
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: noted Houston criminal Attorney Don Irving was present during the
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: course of the meetings. Agent Shelton, a former member of
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: the Organized Crime Task Force in Chicago, provided mister West
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: and Attorney Irving with a lead on James E. Files
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: alias James E. Sutton, a male Caucasian from Chicago currently
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: InCAR incarcerated in the Statesville Correctional Consenter in Illinois. Mister
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: File else is serving a fifty year term for attempted
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: murder of two police officers. His FBHI wrap sheet indicates
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: a life filled with violent crimes. Agents Shelton informed Investigator
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: weston Attorney Irving that the FBI had previously gathered information
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: from an informant that mister Files had knowledge of the
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: events that occurred in Dealey Plaza, So again, this is
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: kind of beginning. ARB Area. Agent Shelton verified that mister
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: Files was an associate and driver slash bodyguard for one
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: Charles Nicoletti, aknown mafia hitman from Chicago. Shelton further stated
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: that he had long suspected that Chicago mobster Sam Giancan, Nicoletti,
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: and Rosselli were involved in the assassination of Jka, but
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: that he had no hard evidence to support his beliefs.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: On August sixteenth and seventeenth, nineteen ninety two, after an
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: extensive search to locate the prisoner, Wes spent several hours
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: questioning James Files. During the seventeenth ninety two interview meeting,
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: mister Files confessed that he was involved in the JFK assassination.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: JFK Files, Mister JFK Files. Mister Files confessed that he
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: was president in Delhi Plaza and that Nicoletti and Rosselli
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: were also president in Dealey Plaza. He further confessed that
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: he had been recruited and worked for the CIA since
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: the early sixties, later becoming a driver for Nicoletti of
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: the Chicago Mafia. Investigator West died from complications following open
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 1: hearts in nineteen ninety three, conveniently right around the time
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: Files was confessing. After filing legal action to examine the
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: body of JFK. And it goes on and on and
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: more bullshit, and this was enclosing. We asked that you
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: consider re recommending to the President and to the American
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: people that a special grand jury be called to bear
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: the testimony of qd Urdaie and Robert Pi and most
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 1: certainly James Files. But again, this is written by a
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: mob defense lawyer. So all right, I'm stopping sharing now, Okay,
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: A lot of skaffoozie abound.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 5: Sir, Yeah, and here's some more for you. According to
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 5: James Files, James Sutton, his FBI rap sheet, which is
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 5: number six, six, nine, four or five E, actually dates
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 5: back to nineteen fifty nine, when he was supposed to
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 5: be in LAOS, includes several minor crimes as well as
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 5: some for armed violence, aggravated assault, explosives, numerous counts of
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 5: interstate transportation, stolen middle vehicles, running a chop shop, served
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 5: time in North Carolina, Wisconsin, and Illinois throughout the seventies
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 5: and eighties.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 4: Let's see.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 5: So you know, if he has an FBI rap sheet
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 5: dating back to nineteen fifty nine, then he couldn't have
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 5: been in layers.
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 1: Right, because you think he'd be in in airborne training
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: before then in earlier fifty nine, if he was, I'm
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: just saying hypothetically.
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 5: And again in next to fifty nine, he was seventeen
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 5: years old, okay, right, right, right? So you know, I
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 5: just don't know how anybody can believe this horseshit.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know either.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 5: Now, let me. Uh, I'm gonna show you guys.
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 4: Well, I'm gonna tell you something first.
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 5: But of course he claimed he was in the eighty
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 5: second Airborne, right, but that the CIA erased his uh
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 5: his uh his military history service record because you know
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 5: he was a super secret operative.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: Right yeah, of course.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 5: Uh. You know who corroborates Files the story.
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: I do not, but I'm pretty certain it's.
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 5: Another Skaza and liar who's been debunked, Chris named Fletcher Proudy.
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, he really did.
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah again, not looking good, mister Files. Now I'm
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 5: gonna show you guys a frame from the Recruiter film
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 5: where Files claims that Abraham's a Cruder captured him on
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 5: the Zapruter film behind the grassy Nod fence. Okay, you
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 5: ready for this one? Yeah, this is frame four seventy
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 5: five of the Zappruder film. Let me just see if
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 5: I can make this thing any bigger.
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 1: That's what she said.
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 5: I'm trying to make it like super huge, as big
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 5: as I can get it. We're gonna feed this fucking
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 5: pizza film twenty vagra Okay again, Allegedly, this is framed
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 5: four seventy five of the Sappruder film where James Files
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 5: claims that he captures him down here behind the grassy
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 5: old fence wearing a fedora. Anybody see, Joe, Do you
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 5: see anybody standing behind the grassy old picking fence there
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 5: with her wearing a fedora? I'm looking, But no, I'm
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 5: looking too. I mean I see something.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: I see bushes, I see some person, and I again
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: I reiterate, I do believe someone was shooting behind there.
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: But yeah, correct, I don't see it for door.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 5: I don't see it for the door either. So let
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 5: me show y'all another picture.
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: Mmmm, let's see. Uh sorry I was muted. I agree.
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: The entire military love story is completely absurd.
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 5: Oh let me uh shrinks back down to the screen.
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 5: Saz here. Now, Joe, you've probably seen this picture before.
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 1: Stop making me make jokes. Okay, yes, go ahead.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 5: How am I making you make jokes? I just said
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 5: you've probably seen before.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: You said, let me shrink this down. Oh sorry, my
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: mine's in the gunner. Yes, there we go. I see it.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 5: So you see the Newmans are still on the ground here.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 5: This is relatively not long after the assassination, as we
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 5: all know. Right, all right, we got the photographers taking
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 5: pictures of the Newmans. Cafus A is still on his motorcycle.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 5: M we got the high school boys up there in
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 5: the pergola.
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: Right, mm hm.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 5: We got a woman to there to their right, behind
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 5: a pole. It looks like with a skirt on. Maybe
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 5: I can't remember her name. But if we scroll over
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 5: this way, there's a dude in a suit looks like
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 5: a maybe a longer overcoat, dark color, just standing there
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 5: looking ominous. And then there's the Stemen's Freeway sign right,
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 5: looks like another photographer rushing over to the Newmans to
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 5: take a picture. And oh look there's a dark complexed
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 5: man and the umbrella man sitting on the curb. Joe, Wow,
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 5: see them?
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 1: How you do? All right?
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 4: Well, look up.
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 5: Behind the umbrella man to the low white wall of
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 5: the pergola and the tree line back there, and you'll
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 5: see a mysterious.
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: Dark figure or dark shadow.
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, how do we figure walking away carrying the briefcase
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 5: wearing a fedora allegedly James Files.
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 1: But also Rob and and that that figure is extremely interesting.
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately we don't know much about it. But he's talking
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: about fleeing and scouting out exit routes through the railroad
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: yard in this interview.
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I guess you could have went from
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 5: the railroad or to that. Well, not necessarily if he's
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 5: going in that direction from the pergola, he's going down
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 5: the Elm Street extension right in front of the school
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 5: book Depository, not around the backside of it, right through
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 5: the railroad yard, right.
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: And as someone that has stood behind those fences literally
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: multiple years, you unless you're hopping the fence, which no
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 1: one has reported, you're really not. There's you have to
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 1: go way round like towards the Lee b Hours Tower
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: almost to like get around.
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 5: Right, which is the way you would go instead of
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 5: walking straight behind the pergola down in front of the
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 5: school book to posity, if you were attempting to, you know,
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 5: plan destinedly secretly get the hell out of Daily Plaza.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 1: You wouldn't go.
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 5: On the most direct route. And it directly contradicts what
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 5: Files himself said said he went through the rail road
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 5: yard around the backside to where the Elm Street dead
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 5: ended in the car, So you'd have to go around
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 5: the backside of the schoolol depository to do that.
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 1: When you're right, you're right.
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 5: Again, nothing about files. The story adds up at all.
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 5: Not one thing can be corroborated that has come out
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 5: of this dude's mouth, whether it be his claims of
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 5: military service, his claims of working for Chicken Nicoletti. Apparently
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 5: he's been keeping a secret. He's been keeping a secret,
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 5: Nicolette's secret ledger.
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 1: Oh, another one of those.
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, then he he just won't release yet until he
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 5: doesn't want to release until after.
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 1: You know, he's a great dager.
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 5: Yes, so, and again he says, I won't name any
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 5: any active or people there in the mafia that are
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 5: still alive. Again, I could see you maybe saying that
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 5: in nineteen ninety four, but I doubt there's anybody alive
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 5: who was in the mafia back then who was allegedly
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 5: involved in the JFK station assassination. They're still alive to
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 5: this day. M h Right, Yeah, I mean seriously.
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and if they are, just for argument's sake, they're
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 1: fucking walking around with the fucking king like.
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 5: Not being there in a wheelchair like he is, you
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 5: know what I mean? Like, yeah, you're afraid they're gonna
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 5: get whacked. I mean, you got one, you got one
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 5: foot in the grind my friend at this point.
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 1: And if you were afraid to get whacked, why sit
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 1: out on the gress, you know, which is why why
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 1: I'll hand it off to you for your story.
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 5: You're pres if the FBI or this government, any aspect
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 5: of it, the State of Texas, anybody like that thought
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 5: the James Files had any credibility whatsoever.
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 4: I mean they have.
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 5: They clearly have a confession from this man. Okay, they
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 5: don't deem him as credible, like it wouldn't hold up
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 5: in court, no way, even though they have a confession,
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 5: not enough, right, because there is absolutely zero evidence to
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 5: back up his claims. And if you think the FBI
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 5: hasn't looked at it, unless you're Joe and think there's
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 5: some great grand conspiracy of confusery.
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 4: Going on, muddy the waters. Uh no.
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 1: I My point was like, why I give credence to
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 1: the skafuza unless you wanted to mundy the waters, that's
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 1: my point.
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 5: Well, that's the thing. If they gave him credence, they
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 5: would arrest him and charge him with the crime. Name
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 5: with Judy Baker, she's she's admitted to all kinds of crimes.
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 1: All right, But you don't have to arrest him and
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 1: charge him to mundy the waters is also my point.
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 5: No, I'm saying if he was legitimate, they would arrest
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 5: him and charge him right And.
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 1: If he was legitimate, he listen. I'm not arguing on
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 1: the part of Jamis Files. I'm making a very nuanced argument.
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 1: You also would sit on the grassy knoll and sell ship.
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 5: For once you got out of the Junior was in the
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 5: fucking Deally Plaza last year selling.
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 1: A book aged I saw him.
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 5: I know, Okay, Judy Baker and Bever be there every
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 5: year on the fucking grassy no and saying the fucking
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 5: star spangled banner.
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 1: I know I was there.
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 5: James Files wanders around the grassy Knoll telling everybody to listen,
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 5: and he shot Kennedy and posed for a picture with you. Yeah.
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 1: But I'm really trying to go back to the the
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four if you will, and would it be
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 1: somewhat advantageous advantageous to muddy the waters, then That's what
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to say.
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 5: And he wasn't the one that tried to muddy the waters.
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 5: He was approached by Joe West and Bob Vernon because
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 5: they got a hot tip. But now those guys are
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 5: working for the CIA too, to muddy the waters.
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, that's not what I'm saying. I'm just
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 1: saying like they let it fester. I guess that is
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 1: the word, because they're like, fuck it, this is obviously bullshit.
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 1: There's going to be scuffusive.
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 5: You know, the CIA, Mockingbird media, it would have been
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 5: totally behind this story instead of instead of actually investigating
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 5: it and determining it was horse shit that was the case.
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 5: It would have been a Dick Clark production.
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 1: But why do that wrong? Why do that when you
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 1: just let it fester and muddy the waters, like you
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 1: don't even need to like put your energy into debunking
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 1: it because you're like, yeah, let's let this.
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 5: I'm just saying you don't. You didn't need to muddy
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 5: the waters with anything at that point. The water's been
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 5: muddied for thirty five forty years by then, right.
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 1: But this is at the start of the ARB, which
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 1: is why I think like they were just like fuck it,
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 1: just let it, let us skaff scaffus, you know, let
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 1: this foolish guy spout his bullshit, and you know what, like, what's.
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 5: Some force behind manipulating this? He would have been on
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 5: the eight o'clock fucking primetime NBC special, but he wasn't.
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 1: He was in jail.
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 5: But yeah, yeah, well somebody interviewed him on camera and
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 5: it wasn't nobody.
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 1: It was Dutch. It was a Dutch documentary or someone
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 1: from Denmark or some Denmark documentary.
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 5: You pay off the right people. You can fucking videotape
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 5: anybody's interview in prison. They interviewed Charles Manson in prison.
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just saying at that point, why not, like,
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 1: why not just ignore it and let it just grow?
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 4: They did ignore it.
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 1: They did. There are some documents media ignored it. Yeah,
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 1: I mean there are some basic documents, as we talked
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 1: about with the flow of documents, if you make claims
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 1: like that and you're getting interviewed, you're gonna get, you know,
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 1: FBI documents talking about it, which I showed. I'm just
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 1: saying there's a lot of.
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 5: Different not necessarily. I mean, look at Judy Baker. There
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 5: is no files about her. She came out in the
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 5: late nineties and started talking all this bullshit.
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 1: But there's no files about files other than files getting
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 1: a documentary and in jail, right, right, So I'm saying like,
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 1: why not?
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 5: I could see her some I mean fucking lancer interviewed
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 5: Judy Baker in nineteen ninety eight. Deborah Conway did, she
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 5: wrote a book.
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 1: My point is that I could see them being like,
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 1: this is just going to make things more convoluted, more silly,
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 1: let's just fucking let it go down type of thing.
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 5: That's why I'm you can't stop Free Enterprise too.
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, obviously, but I'm saying like, why would you want
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 1: if you were the FBI or the CIA, Like, why
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 1: would you even want to like step in at that point?
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 5: You would just like, do your have somebody admitting to
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 5: pulling the trigger and killing the president?
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 1: Right? But we already were already and then ascertained that it's.
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 5: A little different than Judy Baker's admissions.
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 1: We already ascertained that it was bullshit from the beginning,
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 1: and everyone knew it. But my point is not that at.
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 5: That time, when he first came out, nobody knew his background.
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 4: Nobody really looked into anything.
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 1: What was this background?
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 5: They had to investigat him to figure the fuck out.
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 5: They determined he was full of shit.
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 1: Which is why there are some basic documents on him
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 1: and his shold ones like the standard. This guy's giving
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 1: an interview, He's saying this type of thing. That's why
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 1: I'm determined to be not crippled.
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 4: Correct, right, the charges correct?
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 1: And again, I like I've been saying the whole show.
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 1: Why would someone who was actually involved in the assassination
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 1: admit that while you're in jail serving a fifty years
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 1: sentence and then go sell shit on the Grescinole. It
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 1: makes no sense.
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 5: It does if you're a fucking nobody and you're in prison,
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 5: facing fifty years the rest of your life in prison,
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 5: and you want to be somebody, I mean, who else
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 5: is he gonna be? Some dag a is in prison
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 5: or somebody admitting to killing the president and everybody thinks
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 5: he's a.
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 4: Bad as operator. I believe his story, I mean a.
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 5: Seriously, Yeah, this guy's pulling pieces from everybody else's every
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 5: other fucking known frauds stories, from Tosh Plumbley to Chauncey
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 5: Holt to Judy Baker to Antonio Vessiana to Beverly Oliver.
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 5: He's pulling little pieces of everybody else's story and turning
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 5: it into his own narrative.
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 4: Right, I agree, he's full of shit.
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I.
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 5: I just don't think there's a CIA conspiracy behind it
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 5: to muddy the waters.
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 1: No, I don't think. I don't think it's that. I
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 1: think it's just like, if you're them, it's like, why
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 1: intervene at that point, just like let the SKUFFOOZERI become abound.
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 5: You know now, The reason I wanted to do this
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 5: is because not only because of the attention that he's
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 5: getting here recently again that he shouldn't be fucking getting,
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 5: and the praise and oh he's a hero and all
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 5: this horse shit. He he's nothing. He's a fucking two
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 5: bit criminal liar, and you people fall for this shit
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 5: because it's a good story. And we've just been through
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 5: the last two hours proven to you that none of
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 5: his story can be corroborated by anything, anybody, or any documents.
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 5: What do you need other than a good story to believe,
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 5: you know what I mean? And we didn't get to
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 5: the fact that it was a mercury a mercury filled
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 5: bullet that fragmented upon impact would leave no trace and
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 5: bob all this horse shit, Come on, man.
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna bite the bullet for my fucking calling card.
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 5: And the reason I gave Joe the meteor part to
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 5: look at because I know, Joe, you represent a lot
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 5: of the audience. You haven't been looking into the assassination
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 5: for a very long time, and I know you can
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 5: probably into it that the file story is horseshit, because
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 5: a lot of other people that are respected say it's horseshit.
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 5: But I guarantee you today is the first day that
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 5: Joe actually went and did a little research into James files.
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 4: Am I wrong?
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 1: Actual document research? There is no documents. Have I watched
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 1: his interviews before and tried to feel him out, Yes,
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 1: But in terms of like searching the documents, no, not
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 1: before the last couple of days.
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 5: I mean, we've all heard what he's alleged, but if
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 5: you actually do the research to come figure out he
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 5: says he's in the military, there are no military records, right,
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 5: he says he's been a bullet. Okay, they determined the
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 5: bullet had been buried in sixty three's in some bullshit tests,
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 5: but they also determined the bullet was man factory until
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 5: after nineteen seventy one. Right, you know you say all
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 5: this shit, you know, did you? It's just the things
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 5: that you can prove and the things that you can't prove.
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I mean, listen, the FBI discounted it. There's
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 1: it's pretty much hearsay and coming from some guy that's
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 1: in prison. Du dudees full of shit, obviously, And yes
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 1: I knew it. But did I, like look into the
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 1: exact documents or the files upon intended? There are no files,
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 1: But did I try? No? Not really, because I discounted
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 1: it right away.
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 5: I know there's no files, but there is research that
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 5: people have done on James files to debunk his bullshit.
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 5: But you hadn't looked into that before today, correct.
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's why we do this, right, because
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 1: a lot of our listeners might not have.
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 5: And right, that's why I wanted you to find for
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 5: yourself what you found.
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 1: M Yeah. And by the way, Rob, we have a
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 1: part two with the second part of his interview, which
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 1: we'll be able to play on video on Wednesday for
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 1: members only. Yep.
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 5: And Chris Antoniosiana knows exactly Antonio Vessiana doesn't know shit. Okay,
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 5: he doesn't know shit. He's dead, He's dead, dead, and
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 5: he said a whole lot of shit. And by the way, Chris,
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 5: he's been debunked by one of the best JFK researchers
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 5: out there alive today named John Newman. And if you
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 5: took a couple of seconds to go watch John Newman's
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 5: presentation on debunking Antoniosiana's bullshit and his identification, you know,
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 5: Maury's Bishop as David Ali Phillips, which never happened. He
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 5: never was a he never was part of the CIA.
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 5: He cut a deal to say certain shit to get
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 5: the fuck out of prison in nineteen in the nineteen
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 5: seventies for running cocaine. He was actually military intelligence, not CIA,
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 5: And he lied about David Ali Phillips. And if he
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 5: says he knows you, James Files says he lied about that,
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 5: because that's it's all bullshit, all of it, all of it.
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 4: So hopefully we cleared up some stuff.
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know exactly how to show it in by
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 5: you not changing your mind because you're dumb and not
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 5: honest with yourself. Again, you just debunked everything about James
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 5: Files and everything he's ever said, and you still believe,
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 5: you still believe in fairy tales, brother, So enjoy seeing
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 5: yourself to the door. Yeah. L O L Newman, Yeah,
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 5: L O L. That dude's done more research in his
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 5: pinky toe in his life and you've ever done, Bro.
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 5: And I don't like John Newman. I think he's a
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 5: fucking asshole, but I'm more than willing to give him
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 5: his flowers, uh, because he does good research.
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 1: Yes, and he is a dicky.
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 5: Just from personal experience, and I'll leave it at that.
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 5: But anyway, Joe's got the damn dog already, so let's
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 5: play demo and get the fuck out of here. I've
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 5: had for one night, rebound. Thanks for hanging out with
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 5: Thank you for the super asking the membership, Brandon for
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 5: the people, and thank you for being a thirteen month
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 5: supporter of this show. And if you like to support
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 5: this joke, Chris and I know you do, just become
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 5: a member, Bro, and don't cancel your goddamn subscription when
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 5: you leave here either, because you got to be a
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 5: subscriber to comment.
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, we get a lot after into this, and
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 1: we even appreciate people with alternative opinions. We love busting
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 1: balls here. Yes, and we'll be doing.
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 5: More exposes of frauds on the show in the future
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 5: because every once in a while you need to be
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 5: reminded you can't believe everything. It's you here and only
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 5: half of what you see.
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 1: I hate. That's the truth. And wish me luck at
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 1: the archives, sir, I'll need it.
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, good luck, have fun sitting in the parking.
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 1: Lot at the bar down the street, and we're out.
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 5: Thanks folks, your members only. Peace,