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- 1:29Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Emily Wade is originally from Kentucky.
- 1:37Speaker 1: The car she was driving was her mom's twenty twelve
- 1:40Speaker 1: silver Nissan Altima with Kentucky license plates four one one
- 1:45Speaker 1: pa Z. Jared Jones and Emily Wade share custody of
- 1:51Speaker 1: their seven year old daughter. As of this morning, they
- 1:54Speaker 1: hadn't told her yet that her mom is missing. It's
- 1:57Speaker 1: going to break her heart. We don't know what to
- 2:01Speaker 1: say to her, but we're gonna have to tell her something.
- 2:04Speaker 1: She's very intuitive and she knows something that's wrong, her
- 2:08Speaker 1: family says. Emily Wade's bank account hasn't been touched. That
- 2:11Speaker 1: her cell phone, one she only uses for text messaging,
- 2:15Speaker 1: hasn't been used either. They are baffled, and so are police,
- 2:19Speaker 1: and both are asking for the public's help to bring
- 2:22Speaker 1: Emily home. No, she's never done anything like this before.
- 2:26Speaker 1: That's what scares me. She would not do this her mother.
- 2:29Speaker 1: I know she wouldn't do it to me. She knows
- 2:31Speaker 1: that worry. She would not do this to me. She
- 2:34Speaker 1: would not do this to her daughter. No, nothing like this.
- 2:39Speaker 1: That's the mom of a beautiful young mom. Herself, Emily Wade,
- 2:43Speaker 1: the mother to a little girl, and Emily's ex Jared
- 2:46Speaker 1: Jones talking about the search for Emily, who seemingly just
- 2:50Speaker 1: disappears off the face of the earth, has a regular
- 2:54Speaker 1: day at and then says she's having Pete sa in
- 2:58Speaker 1: a movie with a coworker. She leaves the co workers,
- 3:02Speaker 1: spots the tail lines heading into the distance, and then
- 3:06Speaker 1: she's never seen again. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
- 3:11Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us in the last hours.
- 3:15Speaker 1: The search for Emily Wade comes to a sad but
- 3:21Speaker 1: still mysterious and listen. Emily Wade was gone ten days.
- 3:26Speaker 1: When her mother told us she feared the worst. I'm scared.
- 3:31Speaker 1: I'm scared of what this outcomes. Going to the sixteenth day,
- 3:34Speaker 1: she learned those fears were founded. Emily's family said it
- 3:38Speaker 1: was too tough to talk tonight. After a group of
- 3:41Speaker 1: searchers found a body they believed to be Emily's south
- 3:44Speaker 1: of town. And on this case, there was no tips,
- 3:46Speaker 1: no leaves. We just had no clue. We're eliminating places.
- 3:49Speaker 1: What we were doing. It was members of Tony Wade's
- 3:51Speaker 1: Cajun Coast Search and Rescue who were outlooking Monday morning,
- 3:55Speaker 1: the foliage, the trees extremely thick. We're a good part
- 4:00Speaker 1: of Ensign Road is washed out by Chambers Creek. Teams
- 4:04Speaker 1: searched by air here last week, but Monday on foot
- 4:08Speaker 1: they found her about five hundred feet down street, so
- 4:11Speaker 1: thick that we really couldn't get into where she was found.
- 4:14Speaker 1: It was really really thick. The creek is high, and
- 4:17Speaker 1: police confirm it also was on January fifth, when Emily disappeared.
- 4:22Speaker 1: She was driving, having left a friend's house at eight thirty.
- 4:25Speaker 1: It was dark, and these signs off Ensign Road may
- 4:29Speaker 1: have been her only warning about water if she could
- 4:32Speaker 1: see them. Still, we don't know for sure if she
- 4:36Speaker 1: drove through here. Her car hasn't been found, and the
- 4:39Speaker 1: medical examiner will share how she died. But in the meantime,
- 4:43Speaker 1: overlooking a winding, washed out road, even the experts at help,
- 4:48Speaker 1: but wonder, I think they need to put up some
- 4:50Speaker 1: more barricades or something is cold completely colo as the
- 4:53Speaker 1: access to it when it's when the water's gonna be
- 4:55Speaker 1: up like that, trying to avoid another tragedy. You were
- 4:58Speaker 1: hearing our frenzy ktr KTV talking to Tony Wade, Commander
- 5:03Speaker 1: of the Cajun Coast Search and Rescue with me now
- 5:08Speaker 1: Tony Wade, the commander of the Cajun Coast Search and Rescue,
- 5:12Speaker 1: along with Ashley Wilcot, juvenile judge lawyer. You can find
- 5:17Speaker 1: her at Ashley Wilcott dot com. Professor forensics, Jacksonville State University,
- 5:21Speaker 1: death investigator and author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon,
- 5:26Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan and Crime Online dot com investigative reporter
- 5:31Speaker 1: John Lmley. John, maybe you need to recount that again
- 5:36Speaker 1: for me, because it doesn't make sense to me that
- 5:39Speaker 1: she's having Pezza in a movie with a coworker. She's
- 5:43Speaker 1: going a very short distance home to the apartment she
- 5:45Speaker 1: shares with her mom, who helps her take care of
- 5:47Speaker 1: her little girl, and she's not far away at all,
- 5:51Speaker 1: she knows the way, and then she ends up by accident,
- 5:57Speaker 1: drowned in a body of water outside of her car,
- 6:03Speaker 1: and nobody can find the car. You just better explain
- 6:07Speaker 1: it to me, John Lemley. Certainly it is a head
- 6:11Speaker 1: scratcher as to how all of this could have happened
- 6:14Speaker 1: in such a relatively short amount of time. As we've
- 6:18Speaker 1: been talking about over the past few days, Emily Wade
- 6:22Speaker 1: lived in an apartment with not only her seven year
- 6:26Speaker 1: old daughter, but also her mom as well, in Ennis, Texas,
- 6:30Speaker 1: about thirty five miles south of Dallas. Now, on the
- 6:34Speaker 1: first Saturday of the year, that's January fifth, Emily asked
- 6:38Speaker 1: her mom after she got home from work at Chili's restaurant,
- 6:43Speaker 1: if she could use her mom's car to go to
- 6:45Speaker 1: a male co worker's house. The two of them were
- 6:48Speaker 1: going to eat pizza and watch a movie. Now, the
- 6:52Speaker 1: last time her family saw her was late afternoon, as
- 6:56Speaker 1: Emily left for that friend's house. Apparently she stayed there
- 7:00Speaker 1: well long enough to watch a movie and eat some
- 7:02Speaker 1: pizza a few hours, and according to the co worker,
- 7:06Speaker 1: she left his house around eight thirty, presumably heading for home. Okay,
- 7:12Speaker 1: so that's eight thirty. I don't know if it were
- 7:15Speaker 1: was I'm sure it had to have been dark by
- 7:17Speaker 1: that point. Let's go to the expert with me, Tony Way,
- 7:21Speaker 1: commander of the Cajun Coast Search and Rescue. Tony, it's
- 7:25Speaker 1: a real pleasure and honor to have you with us.
- 7:27Speaker 1: I don't understand, Tony, how she accidentally ended up outside
- 7:34Speaker 1: of her car dead in a body of water. And
- 7:38Speaker 1: the car hasn't shown up in all. Gustus. One of
- 7:42Speaker 1: the questions that we're asking, you know, do do what
- 7:45Speaker 1: do I think that is possible? Yes, I do. By
- 7:49Speaker 1: all I means so I'm looking at the area and everything.
- 7:51Speaker 1: I think it's possible. You know. But typically in history
- 7:57Speaker 1: when we found someone, uh that that drove off the
- 8:00Speaker 1: body of water or something, that they will file them
- 8:01Speaker 1: in the car, not outside of the car. Does raise
- 8:04Speaker 1: some questions for us. I mean, we were told last
- 8:06Speaker 1: night by a rumor that uh so, they had a
- 8:10Speaker 1: son ar hit on the car in the creek, um
- 8:13Speaker 1: but that has just to be confirmed. They haven't retrieved
- 8:15Speaker 1: the car yet. You know, looking at the area, I
- 8:18Speaker 1: can see where somebody is. It's really just out of
- 8:21Speaker 1: the way place dark, dark, really dark. I can see
- 8:25Speaker 1: sile somebody would at night drive off on the creek.
- 8:29Speaker 1: But as you know, at the same time, as it
- 8:31Speaker 1: raises a lot of questions to us, a lot of
- 8:32Speaker 1: things don't fit for me. It makes me wonder I'm
- 8:37Speaker 1: the same way I'm this. I'm scratching my head on
- 8:39Speaker 1: this deal. What doesn't fit for my first question with me, guys,
- 8:43Speaker 1: Special guest Tony Way commander of the Cajun Co Search
- 8:46Speaker 1: and Rescue is was this spot all the way from
- 8:51Speaker 1: the co workers apartment to her home? Tony, No, No,
- 8:56Speaker 1: it wasn't. Uh, it's not far from the core work
- 9:00Speaker 1: this house. It's just it's a it's a different route,
- 9:04Speaker 1: a much longer route, but it's not far from the
- 9:07Speaker 1: co worker's house at all. Not far from the coworker's house.
- 9:10Speaker 1: But not on the route home. Now when you say
- 9:14Speaker 1: it was not when you say, Commander Wade, that it
- 9:19Speaker 1: was not on the route home. Was there a way?
- 9:23Speaker 1: Was it the long way home? Could she have gotten
- 9:26Speaker 1: home without turning back that way? Or was this like
- 9:30Speaker 1: totally I'm driving to California as opposed to Atlanta. That's
- 9:35Speaker 1: really not on the way? Okay, So could was this
- 9:40Speaker 1: a long way home? Well it was, you know, she
- 9:43Speaker 1: could have gotten home that way. It was it was
- 9:45Speaker 1: this that would have been an extremely long route. She
- 9:49Speaker 1: had to make a huge circle to get back home.
- 9:52Speaker 1: So that doesn't make sense. So this was not on
- 9:55Speaker 1: It doesn't not on it. It doesn't make sense to
- 9:58Speaker 1: me at all. Now, okay, let me let me go
- 10:00Speaker 1: in the next thing, describe the area for me, commanderway
- 10:03Speaker 1: to please, It's it's a very rural area, un cornfields
- 10:10Speaker 1: of cotton fields. It's just kind of out of the way.
- 10:13Speaker 1: There's there's very limited lighting out there. It's just really
- 10:17Speaker 1: really dark. It's a gravel road. It's not even paved now.
- 10:23Speaker 1: It's just this little corner tuck out of the way,
- 10:27Speaker 1: you know, it just I don't know, I don't know.
- 10:29Speaker 1: Wish you would have been doing going that way. I
- 10:31Speaker 1: want to go to John Lonley, Crime online dot Com
- 10:34Speaker 1: investigative reporter, what details do you have well as far
- 10:37Speaker 1: as the weather goes, which would have led to this
- 10:40Speaker 1: swollen creek, This part of Texas has had much more
- 10:44Speaker 1: than its share of rain really, going all the way
- 10:47Speaker 1: back to last summer. On January fifth, the sunset around
- 10:52Speaker 1: five thirty, so by the time Emily left her co
- 10:55Speaker 1: worker's house, it had been dark for a few hours.
- 10:59Speaker 1: And as you're driving along Ensign Road, there are as
- 11:03Speaker 1: Tony has mentioned a couple of signs warning that the
- 11:06Speaker 1: low water crossing ahead is considered closed when there's high water. However,
- 11:11Speaker 1: one of those signs has fallen over, the other ones
- 11:14Speaker 1: difficult to read even in the best of conditions. There
- 11:18Speaker 1: are no street lights with all of this, and especially
- 11:21Speaker 1: if Emily was not concentrating on her driver driving, it's
- 11:26Speaker 1: easy to see how she could drive right into the
- 11:30Speaker 1: We disagree with you, John Limley, because if what you're
- 11:34Speaker 1: saying is corrected, there were signs, warning signs she had
- 11:39Speaker 1: to go, Hey, this isn't the right way. I didn't
- 11:42Speaker 1: pass this on the way to his place. This is
- 11:44Speaker 1: not the way home to me. This doesn't make sense. Guys.
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- 13:07Speaker 1: if she could get to us it all, she would.
- 13:11Speaker 1: And that's the scares me the most. Shirley Wade is
- 13:14Speaker 1: going on day ten of not hearing from her daughter,
- 13:17Speaker 1: Emily Wade. Emily's mother says the last time she saw
- 13:20Speaker 1: her daughter she was going to a co worker's d
- 13:23Speaker 1: pizza and to a movie. PLI say they have talked
- 13:26Speaker 1: with that coworker who says he saw Wade drive away
- 13:29Speaker 1: from his house around eight thirty That same night. Wade
- 13:33Speaker 1: was driving her mother's twenty twelve silver Niece on Ultima
- 13:37Speaker 1: with Kentucky license plates. You're hearing our friends at wk YTV.
- 13:43Speaker 1: That's Hillary Thornton and Emily's mom, Shirley Wade. Now, in
- 13:48Speaker 1: the last hours, we learned that the body of the
- 13:51Speaker 1: missing Texas mom, beautiful young mom, Emily Wade, discovered in
- 13:56Speaker 1: a creek bed. Was she swept into flooding walls? And
- 14:00Speaker 1: why can't they find her car? How did she get
- 14:03Speaker 1: out of her car? And this was not on the
- 14:06Speaker 1: way home from the coworkers to her home. A lot
- 14:10Speaker 1: of unanswered questions, and I'm not buying the accident theory,
- 14:15Speaker 1: not yet anyway, straight out to Joseph Scott, Morgan forensics
- 14:20Speaker 1: expert author Blood Beneath My Feet weigh in, Joe Scott,
- 14:23Speaker 1: because how do you get out of your car? That
- 14:26Speaker 1: doesn't seem right to me? Is to me? I got
- 14:29Speaker 1: to find out what the autopsy says. Yeah, I do too, Nancy.
- 14:32Speaker 1: I want to know what the mmy has to say
- 14:36Speaker 1: from the autopsy. And you know, one of the big
- 14:38Speaker 1: questions here, she's apparently I'm understanding, Tony, she's kind of
- 14:43Speaker 1: free floating in its body of water. I want to
- 14:46Speaker 1: know how she came to be outside of the vehicle
- 14:50Speaker 1: where the wind is down. Was she unbelted? Was this
- 14:55Speaker 1: does she have impact related right right right there. If
- 14:58Speaker 1: it's raining, I can guarantee if she didn't have her
- 15:00Speaker 1: windows down. Well, I agree, that's one of the things
- 15:04Speaker 1: that I'm wondering, and that's the big conundrum here. Also,
- 15:07Speaker 1: what was the weather like that night? Was it pouring
- 15:09Speaker 1: down rain? Was it missing? Well, she just trying to
- 15:12Speaker 1: get her head clear, you know, because when we initially
- 15:14Speaker 1: reported on this case, the idea was that was that
- 15:20Speaker 1: her house where she resided was literally just around the
- 15:24Speaker 1: corner from this other guy's place. Now, keep in mind,
- 15:28Speaker 1: she's from Kentucky. She's not a native of innist this
- 15:31Speaker 1: area right here, She's not going to be familiar with
- 15:34Speaker 1: these areas. Particularly hold on right there, right there, Joseph Scott, Morgan,
- 15:38Speaker 1: Ashley Willcott. How many more stupid women driver comments do
- 15:42Speaker 1: we have to hear? If she lived right around the corner,
- 15:46Speaker 1: why was she this far away going completely the wrong
- 15:49Speaker 1: way where there are signs going warning, warning, warning. You
- 15:53Speaker 1: don't think she figured that out? Yeah, so none of
- 15:57Speaker 1: this adds up, right, I think that's what we're all
- 16:00Speaker 1: thing is. It doesn't make good common sense going the
- 16:04Speaker 1: wrong way, ignoring warnings, and oh she got into floodwater deceased,
- 16:08Speaker 1: but we can't find the car. We don't know what happened.
- 16:12Speaker 1: But something doesn't smell right. I understanding it was not
- 16:15Speaker 1: raining at the time. Now the flooding was residual from
- 16:20Speaker 1: earlier rainfall. Is that right? Let me go out to
- 16:24Speaker 1: Commander Tony Wade joining us. What do you know about that, Commander, Well?
- 16:29Speaker 1: What I understand it had rained that day. I've never
- 16:31Speaker 1: been able to pinpoint if it was raining that night
- 16:34Speaker 1: or not. I do know that this creek is fed
- 16:36Speaker 1: from League Bardwell. League Bardwell has some dams on it,
- 16:39Speaker 1: and then when it wa a rises to a point
- 16:41Speaker 1: that they're considered worry about flooding, the open those dams
- 16:44Speaker 1: and it pours into a poison the creek and the
- 16:48Speaker 1: current is pretty strong. One of the other things that
- 16:50Speaker 1: I want to come in on, you know, there was
- 16:52Speaker 1: there was a reporting with the news that said that
- 16:54Speaker 1: she was the last seen on Clay Street, which is
- 16:56Speaker 1: right around the corner from her home, which is totally false.
- 17:00Speaker 1: The area that she was last seen in the co
- 17:02Speaker 1: worker's house is it's quite some distance from her home.
- 17:05Speaker 1: It's not close to home at all. Uh, it's just
- 17:08Speaker 1: several miles probably fifteen or twenty minutes away. You know.
- 17:11Speaker 1: We went down to the creek on Sunday, the Sunday
- 17:14Speaker 1: that we started, I was searching. We went down to
- 17:16Speaker 1: the creek. We were able to cross the bridge. Uh.
- 17:18Speaker 1: They closed the dam so that they could search the area.
- 17:21Speaker 1: They opened the dam's back up. I think on Monday
- 17:24Speaker 1: you cannot cross there at all anymore. The current is
- 17:26Speaker 1: just is pouring through there. You know, the comments about
- 17:30Speaker 1: her being in the car, windows down or whatever. You
- 17:33Speaker 1: I just, for some reason, I'm just not buying that
- 17:36Speaker 1: history repeats itself. In my mind, we worked several cases
- 17:39Speaker 1: like this before, and the victims were always sound in
- 17:42Speaker 1: the car. Did she get in the water and drove
- 17:45Speaker 1: off into the water and try to get out of
- 17:46Speaker 1: the car to swim the shore, I mean that's the possibility,
- 17:48Speaker 1: But I just I don't buy it. I don't buy
- 17:51Speaker 1: the whole scenario that that she drove off into that creek.
- 17:53Speaker 1: I just there's just something about it just not striking me.
- 17:56Speaker 1: That's what happened me too, Commanderander of the Cajun Coast
- 18:01Speaker 1: Search and Rescue, Tony. There's just something about it. Maybe
- 18:05Speaker 1: I'm just conditioned from all the years of fighting crime
- 18:09Speaker 1: and investigations that I think there's a monster in every shadow.
- 18:13Speaker 1: But do you know how hard it is, commander, when
- 18:16Speaker 1: you go in the water in a vehicle to get
- 18:19Speaker 1: that window down and get out. That's hard. Yeah, I
- 18:25Speaker 1: totally understand. And why is it so hard, commander? Why
- 18:28Speaker 1: is it so hard? Well, you know, you have the
- 18:30Speaker 1: pressures of the water. It's going to be very hard
- 18:33Speaker 1: to open the door or window. The windows aren't going
- 18:36Speaker 1: to roll down with electric windows wants to cause some
- 18:38Speaker 1: merge to begin with. You know, the electric system is
- 18:40Speaker 1: going to short out, so the window aren't going to
- 18:42Speaker 1: rull down. She would have had to open the door.
- 18:44Speaker 1: When a car is thinking like that and the pressure
- 18:47Speaker 1: from the water outside trying to get in, it's just
- 18:49Speaker 1: going to be next thing impossible to open the door.
- 18:51Speaker 1: You know, once the car it feels up with water,
- 18:53Speaker 1: then you can open the door. But I just I'm
- 18:55Speaker 1: not buying this store. I'm just not buying it at all.
- 18:58Speaker 1: So at the electric winds they shored out the minute
- 19:01Speaker 1: the water because the car goes in the water. Yeah,
- 19:06Speaker 1: whole electrical system was going to show it out and
- 19:07Speaker 1: shut down. Say, she'd have to be you know, superhuman
- 19:10Speaker 1: to get out once that car went in the water.
- 19:14Speaker 1: I'm scared to death. I'll be honest with you. I'm
- 19:16Speaker 1: scared to death. Is what's wrong. I just don't know
- 19:20Speaker 1: what's wrong. I don't know where she is. She's been
- 19:23Speaker 1: gone now for four days, and it's killing me. I
- 19:27Speaker 1: love her so much and I just want her to
- 19:29Speaker 1: come home. This is not the outcome anyone was hoping for.
- 19:33Speaker 1: According to a search volunteer, the body, believed to be
- 19:37Speaker 1: that of thirty eight year old Emily Wade was found
- 19:39Speaker 1: not far from the home of a co worker she
- 19:42Speaker 1: was visiting the night that she went missing. Now, Wade disappeared,
- 19:46Speaker 1: as you mentioned, on January fifth. According to her mother,
- 19:48Speaker 1: a Wade told her that she was going to a
- 19:50Speaker 1: co worker's house that night to have dinner and watch
- 19:53Speaker 1: a movie. She never made it back home. Now, Wade's
- 19:56Speaker 1: mother told me that co worker said Wade left the
- 19:59Speaker 1: house a few hours later, and detectives say that co
- 20:01Speaker 1: worker has been cooperative since the very beginning of this
- 20:05Speaker 1: missing person's investigation. Now, according to Ennis Police, search volunteers
- 20:10Speaker 1: found a woman's body matching Wade's description late Monday morning
- 20:14Speaker 1: in a creek bed known to have flooded that night.
- 20:17Speaker 1: The floodwaters in that area are still flowing very quickly.
- 20:21Speaker 1: The low water crossing there is still impassable. Now. Investigators
- 20:26Speaker 1: are still waiting on the medical examiner in Dallas County
- 20:28Speaker 1: to determine the cause of death as well as ide
- 20:31Speaker 1: this body to see if it is in fact that
- 20:34Speaker 1: of Emily Wade. From there they can determine if this
- 20:37Speaker 1: was an accident or something more. Now I can tell
- 20:40Speaker 1: you that Wade has an eight year old daughter who
- 20:42Speaker 1: has been staying with her father, a Wade's ex boyfriend
- 20:46Speaker 1: here in the Ennis area. So still a lot of
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- 22:14Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Her family is worried. We spoke with the
- 22:21Speaker 1: father of Emily's seven year old daughter, who describes her
- 22:24Speaker 1: as a happy person and especially close with her mother
- 22:28Speaker 1: and her young girl. Our daughter is she's hanging in there.
- 22:33Speaker 1: She stands strong. She's god such a tough low cookie,
- 22:37Speaker 1: and I'm sad. I think she's staying strong for man
- 22:45Speaker 1: man or Granny. Right. We just I know she's hurting,
- 22:52Speaker 1: and we just we just want her mom that Emily
- 22:55Speaker 1: recently moved to Hear from Kentucky. She was last seen
- 22:58Speaker 1: driving a two thousand of Nissan Ultima with Kentucky license plates.
- 23:03Speaker 1: I'm not buying the whole accident theory yet. In the
- 23:05Speaker 1: last hours the body of Emily Wade has been found
- 23:09Speaker 1: in a body of water, not in her car, and
- 23:11Speaker 1: a car hasn't even been found yet. Straight out to
- 23:14Speaker 1: forensics expert, author of Blood Beneath My Feet, Joseph Scott Morgan,
- 23:19Speaker 1: Joe Scott, there's so many reasons that the autopsy is
- 23:23Speaker 1: so important. Ho hold on to Tony Wade, commander of
- 23:27Speaker 1: the Cajun Coast Search and Rescue. You saw her body.
- 23:30Speaker 1: Was there any visible injury? Commander Wade. I didn't get
- 23:34Speaker 1: down there to look at the body closely, but from
- 23:36Speaker 1: what from what we can see and what were and
- 23:38Speaker 1: also we were told that she was in pristine shape.
- 23:41Speaker 1: Was really really looked really well too, Joseph Scott Morgan. Again,
- 23:46Speaker 1: I wanted to get that fact before you're in your consideration,
- 23:50Speaker 1: Joe Scott. The autopsy is critical. It's going to tell
- 23:54Speaker 1: us so much on so many different levels. What all
- 23:57Speaker 1: will they be looking for to determine cause of death
- 24:00Speaker 1: as possible as salt and will water? Yeah, I tell you,
- 24:07Speaker 1: I appreciate what Tony was saying. There's nothing like having
- 24:10Speaker 1: eyes on it the scene, But many times, particularly at night,
- 24:13Speaker 1: it is hard to appreciate everything that's out there so
- 24:15Speaker 1: they're going to look completely externally at her to see
- 24:18Speaker 1: if there's any kind of trauma whatsoever in those bright
- 24:21Speaker 1: lights of the morgue. But what is critical here, Nancy,
- 24:24Speaker 1: and you kind of alluded to it. What's the water?
- 24:27Speaker 1: Does she have anything in her lungs that gives us
- 24:31Speaker 1: an indication that she may have essentially taken water on
- 24:35Speaker 1: that issues attempting to breathe, she submerged, she drowns. So
- 24:39Speaker 1: one of the things that we look for in cases
- 24:41Speaker 1: like this is to see the weight of the lungs
- 24:43Speaker 1: and also the presence of lungs or the presence of
- 24:46Speaker 1: water and the lungs, and also something else. It's interesting
- 24:49Speaker 1: we look for water in the inner ear in cases
- 24:51Speaker 1: of drowning as well. So that's going to be telltale,
- 24:54Speaker 1: and we won't know anything more until these autopsy results
- 24:58Speaker 1: are released. It just ripture hard out. I'm having a
- 25:02Speaker 1: hard time. I just every day gets harder. A mother's
- 25:06Speaker 1: heart is breaking. I'm scared I'll never see her again.
- 25:10Speaker 1: A lot. Shirley Wade living with her thirty eight year
- 25:13Speaker 1: old daughter, Emily Wade, in Ennis, an hour south of Dallas,
- 25:17Speaker 1: when her daughter disappeared. Emily a waitress at Chili's reportedly
- 25:22Speaker 1: went to a coworkers for pizza in a movie. She
- 25:25Speaker 1: hasn't been seen since. Emily was last seen wearing a
- 25:28Speaker 1: peach colored sweater. Police say she was driving a silver
- 25:32Speaker 1: twenty twelve Nissan Altima with Kentucky plates. If anybody has
- 25:37Speaker 1: seen Emily seen that Nissan anywhere, please we're asking you
- 25:41Speaker 1: to contact the department. You are hearing from our friend
- 25:44Speaker 1: Carrie Sanders, NBC News. I'm just not buying it. Something
- 25:48Speaker 1: is off to Ashley Wilcott judge Anne Lawyer at Ashley
- 25:52Speaker 1: Wilcott dot com. Ashley just doesn't seem right to me.
- 25:55Speaker 1: And I'm hoping against hope that being submerged in water
- 25:59Speaker 1: did not destroy forensic evidence on her person. Well, I'm
- 26:02Speaker 1: afraid that it will. I mean, that's just the reality, right.
- 26:04Speaker 1: Once you are submerged in water, that's going to remove
- 26:07Speaker 1: some of it. But it doesn't mean there won't be
- 26:08Speaker 1: forensic evidence. The other thing, Nancy is, I'm just hopeful
- 26:11Speaker 1: and prayerful, and it sounds like they are that law
- 26:13Speaker 1: enforcement looks at the totality of the circumstances and starts
- 26:17Speaker 1: wide open and then narrows down. She might have been
- 26:19Speaker 1: submerged in a car. She could have been kidnapped, killed
- 26:22Speaker 1: and dumped in the creek. We don't know what happened,
- 26:25Speaker 1: and so they have to start broad with every single
- 26:27Speaker 1: scenario and narrow down as they get any evidence from
- 26:30Speaker 1: her body. Back to our commander joining us, Tony Way,
- 26:34Speaker 1: Command of the Cajun Coast Search and Rescue. What about it,
- 26:38Speaker 1: Commander Way? What is it that doesn't sit right with you?
- 26:41Speaker 1: We probably were a thousand or so cases a year
- 26:44Speaker 1: of missing persons, and we have found people that have
- 26:48Speaker 1: driven off in water and things like that, and they
- 26:50Speaker 1: will always inside the car. The relation to where she was.
- 26:53Speaker 1: So the co workers home there was up a big
- 26:55Speaker 1: flag for me. Her being outside of the car. There
- 26:57Speaker 1: was a big flag up to me, just hard in
- 27:00Speaker 1: that area along. It just doesn't sit right, It doesn't.
- 27:03Speaker 1: It doesn't seem everything about Emily. Uh. You know, we
- 27:07Speaker 1: try we always try to touch a five a pattern
- 27:09Speaker 1: together of a person's life, how they act, what they do,
- 27:13Speaker 1: and all these things. And it's just this outside of
- 27:15Speaker 1: the pattern that we came over with Emily. I just
- 27:17Speaker 1: don't place her in that area on her own. I
- 27:19Speaker 1: don't place her getting her being out of the car
- 27:21Speaker 1: once it was submerged. Just there's too many things about
- 27:23Speaker 1: it that just doesn't fit the typical the typical situation.
- 27:27Speaker 1: It's just it's just everything comes on the outside of it.
- 27:30Speaker 1: I don't I don't agree with it at all because
- 27:31Speaker 1: I've been thinking for the longest time I carried in
- 27:34Speaker 1: my minivan and somehow it's gotten lost. It looked like
- 27:38Speaker 1: a mini hammer and it's used for if you go
- 27:41Speaker 1: off a bridge, because if you have a minivan like mine,
- 27:45Speaker 1: it's a Toyota Sienna. If you have one like that,
- 27:48Speaker 1: there aren't roll up window as an alternative, which I
- 27:52Speaker 1: think that cars with electrical windows should also have a
- 27:54Speaker 1: roll up as well, but they don't. So if that
- 27:58Speaker 1: car went into the water, as you were describing, Commander
- 28:01Speaker 1: Tony Wade, it would short out the electrical system and
- 28:04Speaker 1: you'd have to break the window from inside, and that's
- 28:07Speaker 1: really hard to do with the pressure of the water
- 28:10Speaker 1: coming in on the outside. She'd have to have something
- 28:13Speaker 1: with which to break it. I'm just thinking about her
- 28:18Speaker 1: and that car that she had. John Linley, correct me
- 28:21Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, was a model that would have had
- 28:23Speaker 1: electric windows, so correct, How in the heck, what kind
- 28:27Speaker 1: of car was it? John twenty twelve Nissan Ultima. Yeah,
- 28:32Speaker 1: so I don't understand how her going into water, what
- 28:35Speaker 1: she had time to think, Oh no, I'm going into water.
- 28:37Speaker 1: Let me let the window down. I don't think that's
- 28:39Speaker 1: how that played out, Commander Wade. I don't either. I don't.
- 28:44Speaker 1: I don't buy that at all. It's just a doesn't
- 28:47Speaker 1: fit to Joseph Scott, Morgan forensics expert, author of Blood
- 28:50Speaker 1: Beneath My Feet. Joe Scott, when you're looking at a
- 28:52Speaker 1: case like this, you compare it, You compare it to
- 28:56Speaker 1: all the other cases you've ever handled, ever read about, investigated.
- 29:01Speaker 1: And that's where Wade, Commander Wade's coming from. Something's off.
- 29:05Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe she's gonna it's surprised as we're
- 29:08Speaker 1: gonna find out that she's like Hercules, and she managed
- 29:10Speaker 1: to get out of the car. But that body, the
- 29:13Speaker 1: body is going to tell me so much because that
- 29:15Speaker 1: electrical system shorted out the minute of that car got
- 29:17Speaker 1: in the water. Right, So how did she get out?
- 29:21Speaker 1: Where is the car? Why is she separate from the car,
- 29:23Speaker 1: Why isn't she strapped into the car, Why isn't she
- 29:25Speaker 1: in there unstrapped with the windows up. But the body, yes,
- 29:30Speaker 1: as she will comes right, superficial evidence will be washed
- 29:33Speaker 1: away by the water. But why she clothed or her
- 29:38Speaker 1: clothes on correctly, or has she been a redressed post boredom?
- 29:43Speaker 1: Water will not get rid of DNA inside your body.
- 29:47Speaker 1: I don't think as if if she had been sex assaulted,
- 29:50Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, what about scratches things like that. Yeah,
- 29:55Speaker 1: there's any number of physical findings that would be And
- 29:58Speaker 1: also let's keep in mind that she sustained any kind
- 30:01Speaker 1: of like blunt force injuries or any kind of marks
- 30:03Speaker 1: around her neck. That's not going to be eradicated as
- 30:06Speaker 1: a result of the water either. So you're going to
- 30:09Speaker 1: have to look at all of this in the totality. Now,
- 30:11Speaker 1: the you know, the number one generator of blunt force
- 30:14Speaker 1: trauma it related to deaths in the United States are
- 30:18Speaker 1: in fact motor vehicle accident. So for the medical examiner,
- 30:22Speaker 1: they're going to have to be able to delineate or
- 30:24Speaker 1: these consistent would say, for instance, a car accident, or
- 30:28Speaker 1: was she assaulted in some way right there? Right there,
- 30:31Speaker 1: there's a problem, Commander Tony Wade, if she had a
- 30:34Speaker 1: crash and hit her head. She sure's heck, wouldn't have
- 30:37Speaker 1: been able to get out of that car if she
- 30:39Speaker 1: had a head injury. That that's correct, you know, and
- 30:42Speaker 1: surveying the scene, looking at the scene, there's there's no
- 30:44Speaker 1: signs where they would have been a vehicle accident. You know,
- 30:47Speaker 1: none of the trees have marks on it where she
- 30:49Speaker 1: would hit a tree or any that kind of stuff
- 30:51Speaker 1: that did. Area is just clean. There's no indication of
- 30:54Speaker 1: a traphic guise something. Here's w k yttvs. Hillary Thornton
- 30:59Speaker 1: talking with Emily's brother. The thirty eight year old moved
- 31:01Speaker 1: to Texas a couple of years ago from Cynthiana. However,
- 31:04Speaker 1: came back to Kentucky several months ago to help her
- 31:07Speaker 1: mother recover from surgery. Once she was better, they both
- 31:11Speaker 1: moved back down to Texas just three weeks ago. They
- 31:14Speaker 1: made that move to be with Emily's seven year old
- 31:17Speaker 1: daughterly department and somebody will come over and knocked on
- 31:22Speaker 1: a dollar. She said that, mommy, you know, can imagine
- 31:26Speaker 1: what you're going through. My mom having a real time
- 31:29Speaker 1: with their thoughts. I ain't our daughter is missing and
- 31:32Speaker 1: she down here with only family or she got his
- 31:36Speaker 1: men right now down here. Emily's brother Chad, who still
- 31:39Speaker 1: lives here in Kentucky, is now down in Texas helping
- 31:42Speaker 1: with search efforts were in nothing has really panned out.
- 31:48Speaker 1: Emily Wade was gone ten days when her mother told
- 31:51Speaker 1: us she feared the worst. I'm scared. I'm scared of
- 31:54Speaker 1: what this outcome is going to be. The sixteenth day,
- 31:57Speaker 1: she learned those fears were founded. Emily's family said it
- 32:01Speaker 1: was too tough to talk tonight. After a group of
- 32:03Speaker 1: searchers found a body they believed to be Emily's south
- 32:06Speaker 1: of town. And in this case they have no tips,
- 32:08Speaker 1: no leaves. We just had no clue. We're eliminating places.
- 32:10Speaker 1: What we were doing. It was members of Tony Wade's
- 32:12Speaker 1: Cajun Coast Search and Rescue who were outlooking Monday morning.
- 32:16Speaker 1: The foliage, the trees extremely thick. We're a good part
- 32:20Speaker 1: of Ensign Road is washed out by Chambers Creek. Teams
- 32:24Speaker 1: searched by air here last week, but Monday on foot
- 32:27Speaker 1: they found her about five hundred feet down street. The
- 32:30Speaker 1: salt thick. We really couldn't get into where she was found,
- 32:32Speaker 1: which was really really thick. The creek is high and
- 32:35Speaker 1: police confirm it also was on January fifth, when Emily disappeared.
- 32:39Speaker 1: She was driving, having left a friend's house at eight thirty.
- 32:42Speaker 1: It was dark, and these signs off ensign road may
- 32:45Speaker 1: have been her only warning about water if she could
- 32:49Speaker 1: see them. Still, we don't know for sure if she
- 32:52Speaker 1: drove through here. Her car hasn't been found, and the
- 32:55Speaker 1: medical examiner will share how she died. But in the meantime,
- 32:59Speaker 1: overlooking a finding washed out road even the experts had
- 33:03Speaker 1: help with wonder. I think they need to put up
- 33:05Speaker 1: some more barricades or something is cold completely closed the
- 33:07Speaker 1: access to it. When it's when when the water's gonna
- 33:09Speaker 1: be up like that? Trying to avoid another tragedy. You're
- 33:12Speaker 1: hearing our friends at ktr KTV and the commander of
- 33:15Speaker 1: the Cajun Coast Search and Rescue, Tony Wade. Tony, I
- 33:20Speaker 1: got a question about that terrain. You were talking about
- 33:22Speaker 1: how thick and dance the foliage is. Could her car
- 33:26Speaker 1: have gotten through there? Well, you know there's a crossing
- 33:29Speaker 1: there and they call it the low water crossing, a
- 33:31Speaker 1: very low bridge. You got to go down a steep
- 33:33Speaker 1: hill to cross the little bridge, and the back up
- 33:35Speaker 1: when and what's up Like that said, the bridge is underwater,
- 33:37Speaker 1: so you know she could have driven down the roads
- 33:40Speaker 1: and not see it at night and trying to attempt
- 33:42Speaker 1: to cross it. The signs that they have up sand
- 33:44Speaker 1: of the bridge closed looks like some this is small.
- 33:47Speaker 1: It's like hand teented signs that are hanging on the
- 33:49Speaker 1: side of the road, so you know, yeah, you can
- 33:51Speaker 1: mist those signs. I just I finally believe that the
- 33:54Speaker 1: county used to put up some barricades. It's when the
- 33:57Speaker 1: when the water's high like that, you know, being dark
- 33:59Speaker 1: like an isn't an area and not familiar with the area,
- 34:02Speaker 1: you know, I see it possible that she could have
- 34:04Speaker 1: driven off of it. I think it's highly unlikely, But
- 34:07Speaker 1: I'm de posible. Why do you think it's unlikely that
- 34:09Speaker 1: she went her off? Why do you think it's unlikely
- 34:11Speaker 1: that she went off of it? Just everything doesn't okay,
- 34:14Speaker 1: the whole picture that is being paint about there doesn't.
- 34:15Speaker 1: It doesn't fit her being outside of the car, the
- 34:18Speaker 1: car not being right there, Tony. That bridge did it
- 34:20Speaker 1: have rails on either side? No, there's no rails on it,
- 34:23Speaker 1: none of whatsoever. How why is it you can only
- 34:26Speaker 1: cross one vehicle at the time when the bridge, it's
- 34:28Speaker 1: not it's not that why it's a very narrow bridge.
- 34:31Speaker 1: But that was not on her way home. No, it wasn't.
- 34:35Speaker 1: It's not at all on the way home. She should
- 34:36Speaker 1: went the other way. That's one of the other things
- 34:38Speaker 1: that throws up a flag for me. Why why she
- 34:40Speaker 1: would be in that area. It just you know, it
- 34:42Speaker 1: doesn't doesn't fit. Another thing I heard John Linley Crime
- 34:46Speaker 1: online dot Com investigated reporters that she had lived in
- 34:48Speaker 1: Texas for many years, then she went to Kentucky. Then
- 34:51Speaker 1: they moved back to Texas. So she was not a
- 34:53Speaker 1: stranger to the area, No, not at all. In fact,
- 34:56Speaker 1: as we heard in that earlier news report, she had
- 34:59Speaker 1: moved back and forth from Harrison County, Kentucky, to Innis
- 35:03Speaker 1: County a number of times. Her mom had surgery at
- 35:07Speaker 1: one point, some back surgery. She needs some help, so
- 35:11Speaker 1: she moved back with her. She went back to Kentucky,
- 35:13Speaker 1: and then it was just a little over a month
- 35:16Speaker 1: before her disappearance that Emily had moved back with her daughter,
- 35:20Speaker 1: her seven year old daughter into that apartment with her mom.
- 35:23Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, how have they managed to
- 35:25Speaker 1: clear the X and the ex husband seemingly on pretty
- 35:29Speaker 1: good terms. And the coworker, the mail coworker. How did
- 35:34Speaker 1: they clear them, John Limley? At this point they haven't
- 35:37Speaker 1: ruled anyone out. However, they have said that they are
- 35:41Speaker 1: not considered persons of interest. Now this was before Monday's discovery.
- 35:47Speaker 1: We've yet to hear from investigators as to whether that
- 35:51Speaker 1: status has changed. Yeah, what about that Joe Scott Morgan?
- 35:55Speaker 1: They were her name. I thought they had been cleared,
- 35:58Speaker 1: But Limley is correcting me. I think he may be right.
- 36:01Speaker 1: They were just not named suspects, but they seemed to
- 36:06Speaker 1: me to be confident they weren't involved. How would they
- 36:08Speaker 1: have done that? Well, you know, we can piece together
- 36:12Speaker 1: things like timeline, Nancy, we can also talk about alibis
- 36:17Speaker 1: relative to this, so they could in fact clear from
- 36:20Speaker 1: an investigative standpoint. From this perspective, But listen, Nancy, in
- 36:24Speaker 1: a case like this, nothing is outside of the realm
- 36:28Speaker 1: of consideration. Remember our working premises always every death is
- 36:32Speaker 1: a homicide until proven otherwise, and that's what we work on.
- 36:36Speaker 1: John Lemley, how are cops investigating the chilies where she worked?
- 36:40Speaker 1: That was my first concern. First, you look at the
- 36:43Speaker 1: husband or the ex or the boyfriend. Then you go
- 36:46Speaker 1: to co workers and you go to neighbors. But where
- 36:48Speaker 1: she worked, she was constantly exposed to all sorts of
- 36:52Speaker 1: potential predators. How have they or can they investigate people
- 36:57Speaker 1: in and out of Chilies, specifically the last day she worked.
- 37:01Speaker 1: Investigators have not released details about that. However, we know
- 37:04Speaker 1: as part of their investigation, not only have they been
- 37:08Speaker 1: interviewing this coworker, but they have visited the Chili's restaurant
- 37:12Speaker 1: at least talked with staff, and through that we surmised
- 37:17Speaker 1: they have most likely asked staff of any well, for
- 37:21Speaker 1: lack of a better phrase, suspicious characters that might have
- 37:24Speaker 1: come in. Well, that's not that odd. Just got Morgan,
- 37:27Speaker 1: you're the forensics expert. When you have one guy that
- 37:30Speaker 1: comes in by himself and sits at the same spot
- 37:32Speaker 1: and always ask for the same waitress, that's something that
- 37:35Speaker 1: the others notice. Joe Scott, Oh, yeah, you're absolutely right,
- 37:38Speaker 1: because these are You know, if the person is a regular,
- 37:42Speaker 1: it's no big thing. But if they come in and say,
- 37:44Speaker 1: for instance, and they focus on that one person constantly, constantly, constantly,
- 37:48Speaker 1: maybe they even show up and say, hey, is she working?
- 37:51Speaker 1: Tonight and then they turn around and leave. It's these
- 37:54Speaker 1: behavior patterns that we look at from an investigative standpoint
- 37:57Speaker 1: to try to piece these things together to try to
- 38:00Speaker 1: eliminate these suspects, to either include or exclude them. Back
- 38:04Speaker 1: to Commander Tony Wade joining us from the Cajun Coast
- 38:08Speaker 1: Search and Rescue, Commander Wade, had this area been searched
- 38:12Speaker 1: before and she was not spotted? And then she is, yeah,
- 38:17Speaker 1: it was, it was searched. You know. We were told
- 38:20Speaker 1: by police detective that they had had the dams closed
- 38:23Speaker 1: and they had dropped the water level there and they
- 38:24Speaker 1: had really searched that area. You know, we had been
- 38:27Speaker 1: out there and searched the area. Had volunteers that we're
- 38:29Speaker 1: working with us said when out searched the area and
- 38:31Speaker 1: there was nothing found. And then you know, yesterday before
- 38:34Speaker 1: somebody was located there. So it just did I don't know,
- 38:37Speaker 1: it just something doesn't seem right to me. Now that's
- 38:40Speaker 1: critical in my mind, Commander Wade, she wasn't there to
- 38:43Speaker 1: start with. When then they went back she was there.
- 38:46Speaker 1: How could that possibly work naturally? You know, we have
- 38:50Speaker 1: to look at all scenarios involved in this. Uh, you know,
- 38:52Speaker 1: and with that, with that portion of it, the way
- 38:53Speaker 1: the currents running, she just possible she was upstream and
- 38:57Speaker 1: was was was lodged on something in book free and
- 38:59Speaker 1: drift down there. You know, that's just not out of
- 39:01Speaker 1: the realm of reality. Who whether I believe it or not,
- 39:04Speaker 1: I just you know, I feel comfortable in the fact
- 39:06Speaker 1: that I don't think she was there prior to Monday
- 39:09Speaker 1: being filmed. If you have information, if you know or
- 39:12Speaker 1: think you know anything about the disappearance of this gorgeous
- 39:16Speaker 1: young mom, Emily Wade, please call nine seven two eight
- 39:19Speaker 1: seven five four four six two repeat nine seven two,
- 39:23Speaker 1: eight seven, five four four six two. Thank you to
- 39:26Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcott, Joe Scott, Morgan, John Lmley and our special
- 39:29Speaker 1: guest Commander Tony Wade. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off
- 39:32Speaker 1: goodbye friend,