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Welcome back, everybody, to another episode
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of the Session Zero University's Book Club.
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And today, we are going to be discussing the Marvel
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Multiverse role-playing game.
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That's right, right out of our favorite superhero movies,
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all the Marvel stuff we've seen from Captain
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America and Iron Man, all the way to the X-Men.
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And joining me today is huge comic fan and Marvel Multiverse
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expert.
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I'm going to call you an expert, I don't know if expert it.
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I'm going to disappoint a lot of people
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if they think I'm an expert.
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But you've definitely played a lot more than I have.
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And that's kind of the benefit here is--
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Lucas Sullivan.
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Lucas, thank you for joining us on the show.
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Thank you for having me.
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Absolutely.
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It's a pleasure.
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Yes, absolutely.
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So I had actually gotten the book not too long before we played.
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I saw it was on sale at Barnes & Noble.
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I said, why not?
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And then it kind of sat on my proverbial shelf of shame,
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just like with the board games that I buy that I haven't played
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yet.
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We all have that shelf.
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It's true, it's true.
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I've got a handful of different RPGs I want to try.
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And that one's been sitting there.
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And I remember--
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I think we just were talking, probably,
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like a church or something.
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And you had brought it up that you were running some.
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And I was like, this would be the awesome opportunity
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to try it out.
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And then we ran the one shot, and it was a lot of fun.
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I was like, this is such an easy RPG to get into.
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And I love that.
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Because as somebody that does a lot of other RPGs,
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it's just exhausting to try to figure out
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these super crunchy rules.
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So yeah.
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So if you wouldn't mind, how did you discover Marvel Multiverse?
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Like what kind of got you into it?
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Yeah.
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Well, it's a long journey in some ways.
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So in our local comic shop, or one of our local comic shops,
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I'm pretty good friends with the owner.
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And I just remember going in there one day, and he said,
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hey, have you heard anything about this?
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And he had a copy of the Marvel Multiverse Role Playing Game
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play test.
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Oh, OK.
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And so he said, yeah, have you heard anything about this?
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Or are you interested?
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And so I bought it from him.
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Sure.
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And tried it a couple of times.
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And here's the thing.
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It was drastically different than the finishing product.
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Yeah, way different.
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I couldn't give you all the details,
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because it's been two, three years, right?
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But it was not nearly as good, not nearly as refined,
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compared to what we have now.
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So I've been kind of, in some ways,
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invested in it since kind of before the actual launch.
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So I guess from the beginning, the issue--
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I mean, hey, if you had the play test version,
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then I would say that's pretty much the beginning.
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Yeah, yep.
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And so again, it's definitely way better now.
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But that is interesting that it was such a different game
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during the play test.
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And they've changed it.
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So I guess that's kind of the point, right?
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Send out the play test.
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And then you get feedback.
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And then you adjust based on feedback.
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But that is pretty crazy that it was so different.
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Yeah, and I wish I could give you some examples too.
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And I don't even--
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I don't think I ever actually played it.
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Right.
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I mean, I just read it.
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And there's a lot of stuff that I remember just being like,
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this is really confusing, or it's really clunky.
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Oh, here.
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I don't--
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I'm probably wrong.
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You'll probably have somebody--
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a listener tell me that I am.
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In the comments.
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I don't even remember the 3D6 component--
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or the D616, which is kind of like the hallmark of this system.
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I don't even remember that being part of it.
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Again, I could be wrong.
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It's been like three years since I've read it.
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But well, and I'm going to assume that--
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and I know this is getting a little off track.
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But are you familiar with why it's
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like 616 is kind of the concept that they went with there?
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Why?
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Oh, yeah.
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The multiversal aspect.
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Yes.
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Earth 616--
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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The main continuity of the Marvel comics.
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I didn't know that until I was listening just recently
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to the Adventure Zone.
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Clint McElroy, he did a one--
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or was kind of more of a mini series--
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on the Marvel multiverse system.
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And he's done stuff with Marvel directly.
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And so he knew the guy that designed the system,
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and he was talking about him.
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And he mentioned that.
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He's like, oh, yeah.
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And it's called the 616 system, one side
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because you're using 3D6.
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And one of them, the sort of fantastic success part, is a one.
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And then on the other hand, it's the fact
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that it's Earth 616, which is kind of where what we see kind
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of comes into play in the Marvel.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, for sure.
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And it shows--
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I mean, it's kind of a little bit of a wink.
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Yes.
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Nuts to the fans, for sure.
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Easter egg type thing.
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But at the same time, it really--
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I think gives it more of an identity.
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Yes.
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It's not just three random--
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Three.
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D6.
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It's kind of big--
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There's purpose here.
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Yeah, it's big then.
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So--
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Absolutely.
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So now you've been into comics for a long time.
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Like you've obviously been involved in everything
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from DC and Marvel and all kinds of other kind of areas
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within that for quite some time.
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So this obviously struck your attention because of that.
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I'm assuming.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I've been a big fan of comics ever since I was a kid.
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Do you want me to go into that much?
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Or--
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As much?
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Go for it.
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As much as you want.
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OK.
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I could talk about comics all day.
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Yeah, that's fair.
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But no.
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Yeah, so comics--
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I mean, that's one of my big passions.
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I-- first comic I can remember getting
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was around the time Daredevil, the Ben Affleck movie
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was coming out.
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So like 2002, 2003, somewhere in the--
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OK.
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And so I'd seen Spider-Man and the X-Men
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before that.
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But I remember going to Toys R Us
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and they had these five packs of Marvel comics.
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OK.
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The one on top was Daredevil 186.
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OK.
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And so that was the one that caught my attention
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because I was like, oh, this Daredevil movie is coming out.
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I want to get into this.
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And so we got that.
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And I've been hooked ever since.
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Was really fortunate.
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My-- well, my mom married a guy who's also a big comic collector.
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Oh, OK.
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And so in some ways, I already was really into them.
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But he really just catapulted my love for the comics.
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And I mean, he's a big collector.
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I think he's told me before--
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I don't know if this is bragging or not,
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but he told me that his previous marriage,
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he had paid for the divorce by selling like three comics.
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I mean, so high-end comics is what he would deal in.
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But then on top of that, I mean, he was also a fan.
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He wasn't just an investment for him.
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He also loved the comics.
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And so he, like Batman, Spider-Man, Hulk,
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he'd have complete runs.
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And it would be the kind of thing where he'd have them out
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and he'd read an issue and be like, hey,
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before I put this back, do you want to read it?
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Oh, nice.
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And so I mean, he really, in a lot of ways,
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kind of nurtured my love for comics.
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And so yeah, when it came to--
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I'd done other role-playing games.
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Oh, OK.
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That was going to be my next question.
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So that's perfect.
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Sure.
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But yeah, I was just going to say,
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I'd done other role-playing games leading up to it.
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And so on top of that, other role-playing games,
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they kind of dabbled in the superhero aspect.
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But anyway, so for me, it was a no-brainer.
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As soon as I heard Marvel, I was like, OK,
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I already love these characters.
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I've already spent the last--
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when was 2002?
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That was almost 20--
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that was over 20 years ago.
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So the last 23 years with these characters
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and in this world, it was just no-brainer.
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And that is definitely-- and we'll
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get into this a little bit more later,
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but that is one of the coolest parts about Marvel Multiverses
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is that they have even pre-generated characters.
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You can play as Spider-Man.
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You can play as Black Panther.
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You can play as all these heroes that you love.
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And I think that's a really cool thing to be able to do.
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And obviously, I love creating new characters,
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creating new stories, and stuff like that.
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But yeah, if you want to just pick this book up,
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and then I want to play as Shang-Chi, you can do that.
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Like, they have that all set up for you.
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So you mentioned other TTRPGs.
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Before we jump into the Marvel Multiverse stuff,
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hardcore, what other TTRPGs had you played?
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Yeah, so my uncle is a big board game guy.
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Nice.
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And so he--
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I mean, I can't tell you how old I was.
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I can't even tell you what edition it was.
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But I played Pathfinder the first time
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when I was pretty young.
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I remember the whole D&D 3.0 scandal.
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Or was it 3?
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I think it was.
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It was either 3 or 3.5 or something like that?
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They did 3.5 because nobody liked 3.
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Right, right.
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Yes.
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So anyway, so he was very much against D&D when I was young.
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So he's like, I'm going to get you into Pathfinder.
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World Pathfinder family.
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Yeah, exactly.
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So I played Pathfinder.
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That was really my foundation.
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Sure.
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Went from there.
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Had a friend group that played D&D 5e.
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The same uncle got me into Cypher System, which they have
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a superhero component of that.
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And so that was the first superhero TTRPG I played.
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Granted, this was years ago.
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Sure.
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Man, I've played a lot of the Star Wars RPG,
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the most recent fantasy flight.
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I mean, love that game.
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That is one of the top of my list,
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like ones I'd love to try out.
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Oh, man, it's awesome.
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No support for it anymore.
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I know.
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That's the frustrating part.
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And it's impossible to get the books to you, I heard.
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Yeah, it is.
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I have a handful of them, but not as many.
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I mean, we were still playing when they--
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And there's a lot of them, too.
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah, we were still playing when they stopped supporting it.
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So yeah, that was frustrating.
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But that was--
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man, that was a great system.
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I really liked that one.
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So those were the main ones.
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And I dabble with other ones as a friend would say,
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hey, do you want to play whatever gearing up currently
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to try out the fallout?
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Yeah.
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Which hopefully you might have somebody on as a guest
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at some point and they'll say, oh, this
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is the best system ever.
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It's not my favorite.
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I'll just see it.
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It's the complete opposite of this one.
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Is it the D100 one where it's like--
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or there's two I've seen.
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One was like D100 where everything is kind of on this weird
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like percent it, like out of 100% scale.
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And then there was one other one, I think,
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that was a bit simpler.
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You know what?
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I couldn't tell you.
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My friend is going to be GMing that one.
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And so he knows a lot more the details.
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I just know I was looking into it.
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And a lot of the stuff seemed to be in nightmares.
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Just seemed to really cumbersome, especially when
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you're talking about things like inventory.
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If you've ever played the fallout games,
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you're constantly getting scrapped.
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Oh, too heavy.
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And I'm like, man, I got to get a pen and paper
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and write down every individual rusted can.
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And I was just like, oh, dude, this sounds like--
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Because it's all valuable if you can--
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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If you're building a camp or whatever.
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So again, the complete opposite of this game,
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this one's super simple, super streamlined.
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That one's a lot crunchier.
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If you like really crunchy things,
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that's great.
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Just for me, I'm like, oh, this feels like a nightmare.
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I don't know.
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I could be wrong.
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I could end up playing it when we eventually do.
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Again, we're still gearing up for it
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and could end up loving it.
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And you're like, oh, this isn't that bad.
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Yeah, but again, those are kind of the foundation
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of the ones that we've spent a lot of time in,
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besides the Marvel multiverse.
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Right.
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And you've run a couple of campaigns, one shot.
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I mean, I guess that's one thing.
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Because we did a one shot.
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I wasn't sure how long of a campaign
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have you run within Marvel multiverse.
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Yeah.
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So the current campaign that I'm working through,
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we've been going for the last six, seven months,
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somewhere around there, meeting semi-regularly.
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I think we're on like 10 or 12 or something like that,
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as far as what session we're on.
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And that's the longest one.
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So that's pretty-- yeah.
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I mean, that's a pretty good size.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And it's been cool.
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That's when you get to this point,
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that's when the story really starts to kind of--
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Absolutely.
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Unfold.
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And you start to really love the characters
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and all that kind of stuff.
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So we're in a fun spot.
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Done a good handful of one shots as well.
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You did one with your group.
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They have a Deadpool adventure module.
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OK.
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That's supposed to be a one shot.
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We had to break it up into two, because it's kind of long.
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Oh, sure.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So I've done that one.
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I've done just some kind of almost like play test ones
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as well.
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Oh, sure.
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People have been like, oh, hey, I'm kind of interested in this.
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And just, OK, we'll just pick a random character
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from the book that's ranked 2, 3, 4, or whatever.
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And we'll try it, that kind of thing as well.
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But again, as far as campaigns go,
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the one that we're on right now that's been going to last,
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again, I don't know, six, seven months.
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Very nice.
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OK.
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The longest.
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So that means there is--
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I mean, there's potential for sure for longer campaigns,
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which is good.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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And again, with it being the Marvel brand tied to--
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I mean, there are so many possibilities.
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I mean, it's called Marvel multiverse,
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because there's multiverses.
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Yeah, multuniverses.
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There we go.
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And so, I mean, there's just so much potential to explore there.
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And when you think about comics, I mean,
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there are so many series that are in the five, six, seven,
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800 issues.
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And so, obviously, if they were able to go back to that well
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over and over again, it's not super difficult to do
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in a tabletop setting.
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No, absolutely.
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I mean, you throw in a new villain or a new NPC
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or something like that.
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You've now changed the story and opened up more possibilities.
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Exactly.
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Awesome.
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All right.
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So starting from the beginning with the Marvel
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multiverse system, how does the 616 dice concept work?
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Because that's kind of the foundation of the game, right?
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In D&D, you've got like five--
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is it five dice, I think, in the polyhedral dice?
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You're rolling the D20 most of the time.
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The other dice, they're there for damage and things like that.
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There's some numbers that you're going to add up to those dice.
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This system is different.
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You're having 3D6.
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How does that kind of play into things?
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Yeah.
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So with this system, there are three different dice.
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And really, Marvel wants you to buy the official dice.
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And I would recommend it.
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They're nice.
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They just came out with a new X-Men version
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that's a different color scheme and beautiful.
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But really, you could play it with any three dice.
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Granted, you would want two dice that
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are the same color or whatever, and then one die
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that would be different.
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And that die would be your Marvel die.
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And so the idea here is that as you're playing,
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there would be different action checks,
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whether that would be melee, agility, logic,
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whatever it may be.
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And so you roll those dice, and you kind of add up
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the score there.
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And that would-- whatever number you're trying to reach
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or exceed for the check, and you're going off of that.
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Now, where it gets interesting is--
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I'd mentioned before, you would have one die that
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would be different, which would be your Marvel die.
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So a one on a regular die, they have a special side that
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just says Marvel for the official dice.
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fancy logo, little piece on there.
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That's right.
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Yep.
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But if you were to roll that, that would count as a six,
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the one would.
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And on top of that, that would be a fantastic result.
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And so the beauty of that is, regardless of if you pass
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or fail that check, you still have that fantastic result.
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So you could lose that check, and it would be, yeah, you lost,
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but maybe you have an edge on your next roll.
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And when you think about it, you have a one in six chance.
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Every time you roll.
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That's not bad.
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Of getting that ultimate result--
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sorry, sorry, that fantastic result, rather.
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And so you're getting that pretty consistently.
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Now, if you pass your check, and it is a fantastic result--
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I mean, it's even better.
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Maybe your attack says that if you
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were to get a fantastic result, maybe the person is burned,
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or maybe some different status effect.
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And on top of that, you also take whatever you're doing,
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especially if it's a check that has to do with a fight
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or something like that.
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You would take that result and multiply it by two.
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And so I mean, it's--
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You're doubling your damage and stuff like that.
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And again, this is happening pretty frequently,
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because again, you've got a one in six chance of rolling
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that fantastic result.
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So yeah.
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Absolutely.
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And that's kind of the main job of the system.
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Oh, yeah, no, absolutely.
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And it's kind of neat how it really
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encourages the yes and or the no but concept of thinking
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with RPGs, which we push really hard for.
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You don't want to just--
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like someone wants to jump over some tree or something
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like that, but they're super jump.
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And then they roll, and they don't do very well.
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And then if you're the DM, and you're just like, well,
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you fail, and that's the end of it.
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And you're like, oh, that's just kind of boring.
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But it really encourages like, oh, I failed,
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but I did roll my fantastic--
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so it's a fantastic failure.
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It's like, OK, you jump up, and you slam into this tree,
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and you can feel as like the roots from underneath
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start to pluck out, and the whole tree starts to collapse.
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But as you land, and you hit the ground,
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you find, oh, there's this cabin hidden out in the woods
19:32
that you wouldn't have noticed, because there was some huge
19:34
brush that was blocking away.
19:35
And now this tree-- so it opens up a new opportunity.
19:38
Now the story can move forward.
19:40
And then of course, with yes ands when they succeed,
19:43
and they get that fantastic success,
19:45
then you get to say, oh, man, well, you usually hand that
19:48
over to the player.
19:48
You say, OK, describe for me how you do this epic attack
19:53
that you were doing, what made it so cool.
19:55
And then the player gets that moment
19:56
where they're like, I really contributed to the story right
19:59
now, and that's really awesome.
20:00
And I will say too, before we move on--
20:03
so that's the fantastic result.
20:05
Then you also have an ultimate fantastic, which
20:08
is where you have the two non-marvel dice.
20:13
You roll sixes.
20:15
So 6, 1, 6 is the idea.
20:17
6 on 6.
20:18
And then granted, I mean, here's the thing.
20:21
It's elusive.
20:22
I've never actually seen somebody roll an ultimate fantastic
20:25
in per se.
20:26
Because you're at, what, 36 times 6, I think,
20:29
is how the math works again.
20:30
Yeah, I think it's like a 1 in 200 something.
20:33
I'm not good at math.
20:36
No, I get you.
20:37
I think it says it in the book or something like that.
20:39
There's a 1 in whatever.
20:40
And so they pretty much say, hey, make it really special
20:43
when it happens.
20:44
Granted, that hasn't happened.
20:45
But you get all--
20:47
I mean, you automatically pass.
20:48
Whatever check you're trying, you automatically pass.
20:51
And on top of that, all of the other results
20:54
that would come with the fantastic result
20:56
are applied as well.
20:57
Absolutely.
20:58
Like you're trying to jump across a chasm,
20:59
and you've got your friends with you, and you jump,
21:02
and you roll the dice, and it's the full, the ultimate
21:05
fantastic success.
21:06
You grab on to everybody, and you all
21:08
jump across the couch, or something epic like that.
21:11
Yeah, exactly.
21:12
Yeah, where you just maxes out.
21:14
So and you mentioned this before, but you mentioned edge.
21:17
There are instances throughout the game
21:19
where you can gain an edge, or you
21:21
might have what's called trouble.
21:23
And those are the opposite sides to that.
21:26
How do those work?
21:27
What do those mean?
21:28
Yeah, so if you have edge, you have to--
21:33
here's the crazy thing about these, edges and trouble.
21:36
They stack.
21:37
And so you could have like three edges on it,
21:40
which would mean that you could re-roll one of the dice.
21:44
Either three times a roll, all the dice wants, or whatever.
21:47
It may be--
21:48
Oh, it's a full re-roll.
21:49
Well, each edge goes towards one.
21:52
Oh, OK.
21:52
And so let's say that you had three edges.
21:56
You could roll all three over again
21:58
and take the better of the two results.
22:00
Or you could just do one dice.
22:02
One dice three times.
22:04
Yeah, until you get something good.
22:05
Hopefully.
22:06
Yeah, exactly.
22:07
And so that's what edges do.
22:10
You re-roll and you take the better of the two results.
22:16
Now trouble is the opposite.
22:18
You re-roll and you have to take the worst of the two results.
22:23
And you see both of these pretty frequently
22:27
throughout the session, where you're kind of--
22:30
depending on the GM is saying, hey,
22:33
you're going to have to re-roll one of those.
22:35
You've got edge on this or trouble on this.
22:38
And some of the different powers also,
22:41
they just have that as a effect.
22:43
And even some of the traits, I think,
22:45
associated with some of the edge and trouble.
22:47
So if you're--
22:48
oh, man, I didn't look through the traits super well,
22:50
because there's a lot.
22:51
But if you have something that would, in theory, benefit
22:55
to the specific situation, maybe because you
22:59
were an Olympic athlete as part of your background,
23:02
you gained a trade of extra human strength or high training
23:07
or something like that.
23:07
So when you're in a situation where you need to pull
23:10
vault over something, you'd be like, well,
23:11
pull vaulting was something that I did when I was an Olympian.
23:14
I'd get edge on that.
23:16
Yeah, exactly.
23:17
So another example would be there are people
23:22
that are famous.
23:24
And so they have an edge on checks
23:27
where they're trying to speak with somebody.
23:30
So it would be an edge on their ego check
23:33
when it would come to trying to convince somebody
23:35
to do something for them, because they'd be more likely
23:37
because, hey, you're famous.
23:38
Oh my gosh, I know you from all my--
23:40
Yeah, exactly.
23:41
You know what?
23:42
It's funny you mentioned that, because that was the character
23:43
that I played when we did the one shot was famous.
23:45
And I completely forgot about that.
23:47
No, you're good.
23:47
That's a perfect example.
23:48
And then on the other hand, you've
23:49
got trouble, of course, which that's
23:51
like there's security cameras all around you.
23:54
You want to sneak in.
23:55
But just because maybe they're able to turn invisible,
24:00
which is cool, but what they don't realize
24:02
is that these have a heat send or something on them.
24:04
And it's like, you're going to have trouble
24:06
if you're going to try to sneak past these specialized
24:07
cameras.
24:08
Yep.
24:08
So awesome.
24:09
OK, and then just play off of everything
24:12
that we've talked about so far with the 616 dice concept
24:18
and everything that would be associated with that
24:21
is pretty much within four pages of the book, which I think
24:24
is the coolest thing ever.
24:26
You could argue one, two, three, four.
24:27
Yeah, four pages.
24:29
So that means that within reading a quick overview
24:31
of the four pages, you could pretty much get started
24:34
on playing for the most part.
24:35
There's obviously a little bit more to it.
24:37
Obviously, if you want to make your own characters,
24:39
there's going to be a little bit more to it.
24:40
But for the most part, I mean, you can essentially
24:43
pick up the game pretty quick, especially
24:44
if you made a character and you read those four pages.
24:48
If you have the understanding of how the character's creation
24:50
works, you will inevitably get most of the other stuff
24:53
that you need.
24:54
You're going to be set.
24:54
Yeah, absolutely.
24:55
And I think that's one of the biggest strengths
24:58
for this system.
24:59
I mean, I've jokingly called it "baby's first RPG."
25:04
And some people might think that's a knock against it.
25:06
I don't think that's a knock against it at all.
25:08
I mean, it's super simple.
25:10
Marvel has, in fact, they even have a YouTube video.
25:13
I think it's like a 20-minute-long video.
25:16
Sure.
25:16
And it's like how to play the Marvel multiverse game.
25:19
And I'll send it to people all the time.
25:20
And the funny thing is that 20 minutes,
25:23
there's like filler in there.
25:24
But you can cut out like no problem.
25:27
You could cut that video in half if you wanted to.
25:30
Because it's-- I mean, it's that simple.
25:32
Absolutely.
25:33
And I have two daughters.
25:35
One of them is nine.
25:36
The other one is five.
25:37
And I've honestly-- we've had conversations of, hey,
25:40
why don't-- they're really into X-Men right now.
25:42
Oh, awesome.
25:43
OK.
25:43
It's like, hey, why don't you play as Kitty Pryde.
25:46
And you-- the other one will play as Rogue.
25:49
And we'll just mess around and have fun.
25:52
And I mean, they can just grasp it as kids.
25:57
Now granted, that's with somebody that's older,
26:00
that knows the rules.
26:01
Right.
26:02
You know, shepherding them through.
26:04
I don't know that they could get there on their own
26:07
without that.
26:08
But again, super simple.
26:10
Yeah.
26:10
Super, super simple.
26:11
But they have fun with it.
26:12
They're able to.
26:13
And they're not just like rolling dice
26:14
and then letting you tell them everything that just happened.
26:17
And then they're kind of outside of the situation.
26:19
Like, they're actively engaging in the story
26:21
and everything like that.
26:21
Exactly.
26:21
Which is awesome.
26:22
Yep.
26:23
Now, when it comes to combat, that's
26:26
where a little bit more of the slight clunkiness to this game
26:29
comes in, just because that's where the majority of the math
26:32
sits at.
26:33
That's right.
26:33
Right.
26:34
So you'll have some damage multipliers and some things
26:37
that'll add to the damage.
26:38
But I think for the most part, especially
26:41
if you've played an RPG before, it's
26:43
a lot easier to pick up than some of them that I've played.
26:46
Sure.
26:46
Yeah.
26:47
And I guess that's one of the areas
26:50
that I kind of forgot to mention when I was talking
26:52
about the dice system.
26:55
Oh, sure.
26:55
Which is the fact that when you're rolling,
26:59
you only have to roll once.
27:01
Right.
27:01
It's not like you're rolling to see if you hit
27:03
and then rolling to see how much damage you do.
27:06
It's all in that first roll.
27:09
Again, I should have mentioned that earlier.
27:11
But so let's say that you're rolling to try to see
27:16
if you hit somebody with a melee attack.
27:19
And so you roll and you hit.
27:22
Yeah.
27:23
It's a success.
27:24
It's a success.
27:25
All that you do is you just take that Marvel die
27:27
and then you just feed it through the multiplier.
27:30
Oh, OK.
27:30
And that you already have to see how much you get.
27:34
So let's say that it's a success.
27:35
You roll it to and you are ranked to.
27:40
So you would automatically, assuming
27:42
that there's no other kind of powers that would mess with this.
27:45
And there are some.
27:46
You would just take that two times that two in the multiplier
27:49
and then add whatever your melee is.
27:53
And that's your damage.
27:55
And so I mean, that might, especially
27:57
as I'm saying it out loud, it might sound difficult.
27:59
But once you do it twice, it's just like you know exactly how
28:03
to do it.
28:04
I mean, it's super simple.
28:05
I completely agree.
28:06
And like with things like Dungeons and Dragons,
28:09
you're going to have these four different dice that
28:12
might be what you roll for the damage.
28:14
And you've got to find the right one.
28:15
And then you've got multipliers that all go into it.
28:17
And there's a there's a couple of ways
28:19
that you can kind of streamline it for sure.
28:21
But I mean, like you said, the beauty of this
28:24
is the simplicity that I rolled once.
28:25
I take that one die that's already been rolled and then just
28:28
run it through that same algorithm.
28:30
And it's not anything.
28:31
I shouldn't even use the phrase algorithm.
28:33
That makes it sound really complicated.
28:34
It's really like multiply by this number
28:37
and then add some of this.
28:38
It's like the easiest thing in the world.
28:40
If you really hate math, have your phone with the calculator
28:43
on and just like quick tap it all in and you're good to go.
28:46
So awesome.
28:47
So let's talk campaign creation.
28:50
So you mentioned before you would
28:52
run a couple of different things.
28:53
You had one that was kind of ongoing.
28:55
I know that you do some like sort of homebrew stuff
28:58
when it comes to the--
28:59
because you did that for our one shot was kind of something
29:00
you had come up with.
29:01
So with that being said, as a GM,
29:05
how would I even kind of start when
29:07
thinking about creating a campaign that I
29:10
want to run with some players?
29:11
How do I figure out setting?
29:13
And what's a good jumping off point?
29:15
Things along those lines.
29:16
Yeah.
29:16
I mean, there's really no wrong answer here with this.
29:19
I think one of the very important things to do
29:22
is start off by establishing the tone that you want.
29:27
And the reason I say that is because I mean,
29:29
just think about the differences in the Marvel universe.
29:33
Even if you don't read the comics,
29:35
if all you know are the movies, think about--
29:38
did I say read the movies?
29:40
See the movies.
29:41
The only thing you're familiar with
29:42
is the movies and the TV shows.
29:44
As an adult, the older I get, the more
29:46
I have to have subtitles on for anything that I'm watching.
29:49
So yeah, I definitely read movies.
29:51
Did you do movies?
29:52
Yeah, well, yeah.
29:53
But anyway, if you've only seen the movies or the TV shows,
29:57
I mean, you know that there's a huge difference in tone
29:59
when it comes to the Marvel.
30:00
So I mean, if you take Guardians of the Galaxy
30:03
and you compare that to the Daredevil TV series,
30:07
I mean, it's night and day.
30:08
One is a super grounded, gritty show.
30:13
Well, the other one is this really hilarious romp
30:16
through outer space, the complete opposite of grounded.
30:20
And then you've got something like Endgame or Infinity War,
30:24
which is super epic in scale.
30:26
I mean, it's cosmic in the same way
30:28
that Guardians of the Galaxy is.
30:30
But yeah, again, different tone there.
30:32
And so it's kind of the same thing
30:34
if you are planning a campaign here.
30:37
You kind of want to establish the tone from the get go.
30:42
I think that this may be more so than a lot of games
30:45
is kind of key.
30:48
So for instance, the campaign that we're running currently,
30:53
I mean, it's a very grounded campaign.
30:56
All of our heroes are ranked two, which is pretty low
31:00
in the grand scheme of things.
31:01
And they're dealing with not really any cosmic level
31:05
threats as of yet.
31:06
It's mostly drug addicts.
31:10
I shouldn't say drug addicts necessarily,
31:12
but drug lords rather and human traffickers and stuff.
31:16
And so it's really hard to be lighthearted and funny with that.
31:22
However, we talked about it beforehand,
31:25
and we knew, OK, this is kind of the tone that we're going for.
31:28
And so everybody is on the same page with that.
31:31
When we do one shot-- we'll do one shot.
31:33
And we did the Deadpool one shot.
31:36
Oh, I can only imagine that was hilarious.
31:38
Yeah, it was great.
31:40
And so just kind of knowing what you're getting into tone wise
31:44
is really important, I'd say that.
31:46
We're all pretty-- I mean, for the most part,
31:48
we're all pretty familiar with the Marvel stuff,
31:50
and they have all the movies and shows and stuff.
31:52
So usually, yeah, you can say, OK, it's kind of going to be--
31:55
or it's going to be fitting in with kind of this plot line
31:58
here, or we're going to do stuff with X-Men a lot,
32:00
or something like that.
32:01
But yeah, absolutely.
32:02
Having that tone and knowing we're going to be--
32:05
this is going to be pretty intense or pretty serious
32:07
or, like you said, grounded.
32:09
Yeah.
32:10
You might have something that's a little bit like--
32:12
it was a Doctor Strange 2, where it kind of
32:14
had a spooky-ish elements to it.
32:17
Or there was a Mutants movie.
32:21
Yeah, I think it was Mutants, which was kind of like a horror
32:23
movie type thing.
32:24
Yeah, yeah.
32:24
So you can do that.
32:25
Like, that's the beauty of it, too, is like,
32:27
superhero stuff notoriously is usually categorized
32:30
like an action epic sci-fi kind of a thing.
32:33
But man, you could really do just about anything with it.
32:36
Yeah, you can.
32:37
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32:59
And so from there, I'd also say you--
33:03
not only do you want to know the tone, but also the setting.
33:07
Oh, yeah.
33:07
And the reason I say that is because, again,
33:11
you could be going through outer space.
33:13
You could be hopping through different multiverses.
33:16
And so you kind of have to make sure--
33:18
I shouldn't say you have to, but you'd
33:20
be wise to make sure that you're all on the same page as far
33:23
as what you're trying to get out of it.
33:25
I know that in our campaign that we're running,
33:28
we don't really mingle with the greater Marvel universe too much.
33:33
Oh, yeah.
33:33
Yeah.
33:34
I mean, that's not to say that we haven't.
33:36
I mean, they've run into Daredevil, Wulverine.
33:41
But going into it, they kind of knew, OK,
33:44
hey, there wasn't going to be a whole lot of it.
33:46
My suggestion and nobody else that I know that has run this
33:49
game has taken this suggestion.
33:52
My suggestion when it came to this game and what we've done
33:58
is we've said, OK, most of the Marvel stuff
34:01
takes place in New York.
34:03
Oh, OK.
34:04
And the TV shows or whatever.
34:06
But most of the heroes are based out of New York.
34:09
I don't know New York.
34:10
No, I've never been to New York.
34:12
And so the biggest city near me is Omaha.
34:16
Yes.
34:16
So we just said, hey, let's just imagine
34:19
if superheroes were real.
34:21
The Marvel universe was real.
34:23
Everybody knows that all the heroes are in New York.
34:27
And there's the West Coast Avengers and stuff.
34:29
So that would kind of create a crime vacuum in Midwestern
34:33
cities like Omaha or whatever.
34:35
And so let's say that you guys are like the only heroes
34:38
in Omaha.
34:38
And there's no huge villains.
34:40
There's no Dr. Doom here.
34:42
There's no Dr. Octopus, whatever.
34:45
Lots of doctors.
34:47
But hey, there are these petty drug lords or whatever
34:52
and all these different things.
34:54
And so for us, that's work.
34:57
Again, we got to keep it fun with introducing every once
35:02
in a while.
35:02
Yes.
35:03
Yeah, Wolverine's in town.
35:05
For some reason.
35:06
For some reason or Daredevil.
35:08
And granted, those heroes kind of fit well in that kind of--
35:12
Right.
35:13
Scenario.
35:14
But anyway, so that's what I would recommend.
35:18
Knowing the tone that you're going for and knowing the setting.
35:21
If you really are just thinking, man,
35:24
I really want my OC to meet all the Avengers
35:28
and become an Avenger or go to what's it called?
35:32
Professor X's gift for--
35:34
Even school for the junctions.
35:35
School for the junctions.
35:36
Yeah, yeah.
35:37
There it is.
35:37
Like, there's room for that.
35:39
You can do that.
35:40
And so I would just suggest being on the same page
35:43
with whoever's running the game as far as what your expectation
35:46
and what you want out of the game is.
35:48
Absolutely.
35:48
It'd be a really unique experience
35:50
to run something for somebody who is really unfamiliar with any
35:53
of the Marvel stuff.
35:54
Yeah.
35:54
Like, I've never seen any of the movies,
35:57
whether they were the older versions of them,
35:59
like "Toby McGuire's Spider-Man" and the original "X-Men" stuff
36:02
versus the stuff that's new now with the Avengers and everything
36:05
like that.
36:05
That'd be really interesting to run
36:07
where the person is completely unfamiliar with the universe.
36:10
Sure.
36:11
Or multiverse, I guess.
36:12
Well, we actually have one.
36:14
Did you?
36:15
I mean, he's not completely--
36:18
Right.
36:19
I mean, you can't really be completely oblivious to all of it.
36:22
But I mean, besides playing Marvel Rivals and seeing
36:27
some of the "X-Men" movies back in 2004--
36:29
He really--
36:30
I mean, he really does not know much, which is fun.
36:35
Because as his character is meeting these other characters,
36:41
I mean, he has no frame of reference.
36:44
And so for instance-- OK, I'll just
36:46
use this as a very quick example.
36:49
Anybody that is really into the Marvel universe--
36:51
but they might know that Wolverine has
36:54
like an alternate persona patch, where he's--
36:57
where's this white tuxedo and has his eye patch.
37:01
So not-- again, not everybody knows that.
37:04
And so when we were playing it, Wolverine
37:07
is first introduced as patch.
37:10
And it was funny because two of the other guys at the table
37:14
are big comic nerds, kind of like me.
37:15
And they're like stoked, like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
37:19
And my other friend's like, patch, OK, yeah.
37:21
Nice to meet you.
37:23
I mean, to the point where he kept calling him patches.
37:25
And Wolverine's getting mad.
37:27
He's like, I'm not a dog, but it's not patches, it's patch.
37:31
But anyway, so cool.
37:34
So yeah, and so there has been a little bit of that.
37:37
And that friend, again, from the get go,
37:40
I remember him saying, I don't really
37:41
know if I'm the right fit for this game.
37:44
I don't-- I'm not familiar with all the Marvel stuff.
37:46
And again, I just kind of told him, hey, you know what?
37:49
Neither is your character.
37:50
He's meeting these characters for these people
37:53
for the first time, too.
37:54
Don't feel bad about it.
37:55
That'd be so much fun.
37:57
Like, again, because you get to do stuff like that,
37:59
where you introduce this character
38:01
that other people would know for whatever reason.
38:03
They have no idea.
38:04
And so they get to experience for the first time
38:06
in your campaign, which is pretty, pretty sick,
38:09
being able to do that.
38:10
So that's really cool.
38:11
I like what you said about kind of having
38:13
a familiar environment.
38:14
Like, you had mentioned Omaha, which is funny,
38:16
because we actually-- when we did our zombie one shot--
38:19
Black Friday of the Dead.
38:20
Black Friday of the Dead was actually--
38:22
so the mall in there was fictional.
38:23
But to be completely honest with you,
38:25
I actually just took an outline or whatever of the mall
38:29
here in town.
38:30
Sure.
38:30
And I swear, I told them so many times throughout the entire thing.
38:34
I had the mall.
38:34
It was all printed out.
38:35
Obviously, the stores are completely different.
38:37
But I kept telling them throughout the whole thing,
38:39
I'm like, it's literally just this mall.
38:41
You guys have all been to this mall.
38:42
It's literally just this mall.
38:43
So when you're describing where you're going,
38:45
just think of it like that.
38:47
And that helped a lot, to keep it something close.
38:50
And I also really like how there is a lot--
38:52
I feel like there's a lot of logic in what you were saying,
38:54
where it's like you have all these non-super or maybe
38:57
lower tier super--
38:58
Yeah, super, exactly.
39:00
--that have made their way to sort of this central Midwest
39:04
kind of area within the US.
39:05
Because I don't want to go to some of these big cities,
39:07
because that's where all the superheros are at.
39:09
And they're taking out everybody.
39:10
Yeah, exactly.
39:11
They're just stopping crime everywhere.
39:12
So if I'm here and they're out there, then I'm not too worried.
39:15
So I think that's actually a really clever, clever concept
39:18
here.
39:19
And then I would say, what about with--
39:21
let's jump into discussing the character creation.
39:24
We obviously both kind of plotted out some characters.
39:27
And that's kind of how we'll end things today
39:29
to talk about what character we came up with.
39:31
But when it comes to character creation--
39:33
and this is what I love about the book--
39:35
is that I think, honestly, about 90% of this book
39:40
is literally just helping you create characters
39:42
or giving you pre-created characters
39:44
so that you can jump right in.
39:45
Yeah.
39:46
But the fact that they let you create your own superheros
39:49
really important to me, because I don't always
39:51
want to just play as something that already exists.
39:53
I like the idea of being able to make my own.
39:55
And so I'm super stoked that they have so much in here
39:59
that you can look through.
40:00
It's not boring like statistics and numbers and stuff.
40:03
It's interesting.
40:04
You get to look at all these different origins.
40:07
So origins, kind of your--
40:10
I want to say how you got your powers is probably
40:12
the best way to describe it.
40:14
Are you an alien from another planet?
40:16
And obviously, things are different here.
40:18
Are you a mutant, which we've mentioned a couple of times
40:21
before, right?
40:21
You have that gene inside of you that gives you special abilities.
40:24
Are you one of the eternals?
40:26
Do you have high-tech cybernetics like Iron Man?
40:28
He's got a suit and things like that.
40:30
So there's a ton of stuff in here for that.
40:33
Your occupation, what are you doing for a living
40:37
that's not obviously super-heroing?
40:39
I don't even think actually, now that I think about it,
40:41
that's technically not an option in here.
40:43
Yeah, I don't think-- there's adventurer,
40:46
which you could maybe say.
40:49
But yeah, I don't even think adventurer really counts,
40:52
because I think they're thinking more of Indiana Jones
40:55
text.
40:56
Yeah, which that would be a really interesting unique
40:58
character.
40:59
I guess the closest thing I can see is law enforcement.
41:01
You could maybe argue to some extent.
41:03
But there are people within the Marvel multiverse that are cops.
41:07
Oh, sure.
41:09
I think if you're talking about--
41:13
you've got Jessica Jones, who is a private investigator.
41:16
Right.
41:18
Daredevil's a lawyer.
41:19
Yep, yep.
41:19
I'm trying to think-- but I think there have been some that were--
41:23
I'm just drawing a blank.
41:24
Right, no, I'm saying here.
41:25
I know that there were some that were cops,
41:27
but they're like, I can't go quite as far as a cop,
41:29
and so I'm going to have to do the sport.
41:30
I got to do super work.
41:31
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
41:32
I can't use my superpowers as a cop,
41:35
because you sure create a whole situation with legal stuff.
41:39
But you've got trade.
41:40
So these are just kind of like narrowing down
41:43
on some really specific things about your character
41:45
and creating some stuff about that.
41:48
Let's see, what else is--
41:49
you've got tags, which if you don't mind me--
41:52
No, go for it, absolutely.
41:53
You have tags and traits, which I think for a lot of people,
41:58
it's like, OK, what's the difference?
41:59
Right, absolutely.
42:00
And so the difference is, I would say,
42:03
tags are primarily only narrative.
42:06
Well, traits, they're narrative.
42:10
However, they also play into the mechanics.
42:15
That's exactly right.
42:16
They play into the mechanics.
42:17
Right.
42:17
So for instance, you might have as a tag
42:21
that you have a secret identity.
42:22
That doesn't necessarily change anything.
42:24
But if you say that one of your tags is--
42:27
we used famous as an example before.
42:29
So that's a trait.
42:32
And so yeah, it is narrative focused.
42:35
However, it also has advantage on the ego checks.
42:39
Exactly, yeah.
42:40
So there's something that comes out of it.
42:42
And with secret identity, it might not necessarily
42:45
give you any kind of-- oh, I said advantage earlier.
42:48
I'm at edge.
42:48
But I know what you meant.
42:50
Coming out of Dungeons and Dragons, it's always advantage.
42:53
But so with secret identity, when you talked about with Wolverine
42:57
and his secret identity, I guess alternate identity,
43:00
being patched and stuff like that,
43:02
there's something you could still use in the story.
43:04
And it might honestly, depending on the situation,
43:06
it might offer you something just in that moment.
43:09
But yeah, otherwise, it's more of a narrative thing, something
43:12
that you can use along those lines.
43:15
So it could be anything from like you a black market access
43:18
is another one of the tags, meaning
43:20
that you've dealt with people within sort of a black market
43:22
setting.
43:23
And therefore, you could theoretically
43:24
use those in the future.
43:27
And then, I think, again, the biggest chunk of it all
43:31
is the powers, all these many, many, many super powers
43:35
that you get to go through when you're creating your character.
43:38
Or obviously, if you use one of the premade characters,
43:40
they're going to list out.
43:41
And they're all within what are called power sets.
43:44
Yes.
43:45
Which I think-- it's a cool idea, right?
43:47
We're trying to sort of categorize.
43:49
I will say, with the X-Men book, I think,
43:51
did they have more powers that were--
43:53
Yeah.
43:53
Oh, OK.
43:54
More powers.
43:55
And so there's also-- OK, there's been two different--
44:00
I don't even-- can't remember what they call them.
44:02
Like expansion books.
44:05
Right.
44:06
Granted, but there's also adventure modules,
44:08
that kind of thing.
44:09
Anyway, but two expansions, an X-Men one and a Spider-Man one.
44:12
Oh.
44:13
And both of them introduce new--
44:14
I think both introduce new power sets.
44:16
And both of them certainly introduce new powers as well.
44:20
Absolutely.
44:20
And also new occupations.
44:23
Right.
44:24
Traits, careers, that kind of thing as well.
44:27
So yeah.
44:27
Lots of opportunities.
44:28
More opportunities create unique areas.
44:30
That's curious.
44:31
That's right.
44:31
Yeah, that's curious.
44:32
Which is really cool.
44:33
And one thing that I noticed--
44:35
and maybe this is just my opinion, I don't know, maybe--
44:38
where I noticed that some of the powers will sort of replicate.
44:43
So the idea is that the powers are
44:45
under these categories, which are the power sets.
44:47
So you might have a power set that is martial arts,
44:50
which suggests that this power stems
44:52
from your martial arts training, or maybe you're
44:55
part of some sort of organization that has some pseudo
44:58
superpower thing that stems from their martial arts,
45:00
something along those lines.
45:00
You might have a power set that's all based around weapons.
45:03
You have some magical weapon or some kind of special weapon,
45:06
so on and so forth.
45:08
And one thing that I noticed is that some of the powers actually
45:12
were very much the same as other powers,
45:15
but they're from two different power sets.
45:17
Yeah.
45:17
So it's like, yes, this basically functions the same
45:20
within the game.
45:22
But we want to make sure that your character is unique
45:25
and is using it in a very different way.
45:27
Yeah.
45:27
And I think that's really good.
45:29
That's really useful to make unique characters.
45:31
Yeah.
45:31
And it's super helpful, too.
45:33
I know that I've played this long enough to where--
45:38
and especially narrating--
45:41
to where I've had to just flip through the book real quickly
45:44
and be like, oh, you guys are fighting Saber Tooth today.
45:47
And I'm looking at the powers.
45:48
I'm going, oh, man, I don't recognize this one.
45:51
And then I flip back to the book and I go,
45:53
oh, that works exactly like this other one.
45:56
Exactly.
45:57
It makes it really easy, really smooth.
46:00
So yeah, yeah, that's good.
46:02
I will say the one thing that kind of got me that I noticed
46:05
the other night when I was looking through the book
46:07
was in the power section, like all the premade characters,
46:09
you do have to kind of-- it just lists them out.
46:12
Yeah, you do need to like go re-reference,
46:14
like what does that power do again?
46:16
So I could-- I mean, obviously, as the DM, right,
46:19
you would usually prepare these things ahead of time
46:22
so you could write them all out and then that way you have
46:23
them on hand.
46:24
It's not any different than like in D&D
46:26
if you had an enemy that had a big list of spells
46:29
that they could cast.
46:30
And you've got to keep track of all those
46:32
and how all those work.
46:33
And like you said, after you've played for a while,
46:35
you kind of get an idea of how a lot of these things work.
46:38
And you can easily be like, oh, I already know what that does.
46:41
It gives him an edge on this or it doubles the damage
46:43
in this situation.
46:44
Exactly.
46:45
Sometimes you need that little bit of a reminder.
46:49
Yeah.
46:49
But for the most part, it's so simple to where you look at it
46:54
and you just go, oh, hey, that works exactly like this.
46:57
OK.
46:58
So yeah.
46:59
Absolutely.
47:00
And then one of the last questions I've got here.
47:02
So when it comes to I create a character,
47:05
we talked about rank before.
47:06
So rank is kind of this idea of how powerful is my hero
47:10
or this character, I guess, in general.
47:12
Because it can apply to the villains as well.
47:13
Yeah.
47:14
I think it goes until it's like 1 to 6.
47:16
That's correct.
47:17
OK.
47:17
Yeah.
47:18
So and then when you're making your character,
47:20
depending on what rank you are, it'll
47:21
determine how many superpowers you get to pick,
47:24
things along those lines.
47:25
One thing that I wondered when I first created a character
47:29
is I thought to myself, how does in D&D we level up?
47:33
We defeat this big bad villain.
47:35
And then the DM's like, all right, you hit that point
47:37
where you guys have gained enough experience
47:39
or you've reached a certain spot in the game where
47:43
I'm going to give you guys a level up.
47:44
You gain new abilities and new stuff like that.
47:46
Is that something you can do in Marvel Multiverse?
47:50
Yeah.
47:51
So that's another thing that would be good to talk with the--
47:57
whoever's running the game beforehand.
47:59
Because there are options in order to advance.
48:04
But in some ways, the game--
48:07
and this might disappoint some.
48:09
I'll be just completely honest.
48:10
If the fun part of RPGs is starting at level one for you
48:16
and seeing this character progress,
48:19
this could be a disappointment.
48:21
Because the game is made so that, for instance, Spider-Man,
48:26
he's rank four.
48:27
And so if you want to make a hero like Spider-Man,
48:32
it's almost suggested, yeah, why don't you just
48:34
start off at rank four.
48:35
Sure.
48:36
However, there are different ways to do it.
48:39
So I'd mentioned that my party that's in the campaign
48:43
that I'm running most frequently, they're rank two.
48:48
Now, we talked before we started and had mentioned, OK,
48:53
the goal is to get these characters to rank four
48:56
eventually.
48:57
And so they know that that's coming.
48:59
It's achievable, yeah.
49:00
But it was also established that, hey,
49:04
these are going to be connected with events in your story.
49:08
Oh.
49:08
And so there's going to be events that trigger you going
49:12
from rank two to rank three.
49:13
And then eventually, rank three to rank four.
49:15
So we made sure that it was all part of the narrative.
49:19
And the core rule book, that's kind of how it suggests to do it.
49:24
However, in the X-Men expansion, there's a section called--
49:30
I think it's called Getting Skooled, if I'm not mistaken.
49:34
And there are suggestions there on how
49:36
you could do almost like a weekly--
49:40
or not weekly, but by session, slowly level your character.
49:44
OK.
49:45
I can't remember exactly how it works,
49:48
but it would be OK on this session,
49:51
you gain one more ability.
49:54
OK.
49:54
Next session, you get another ability.
49:56
Next session, you gain one more power.
49:58
And so you slowly can level or rank up that way.
50:03
But again, it's not as baked into it
50:05
as something like D&D where it's really part of the experience.
50:09
It's much more up to the narrator.
50:14
That's what they call the GMs in this game.
50:16
We've been referring to it as GM the whole time.
50:17
Yeah.
50:18
The narrator is technically what they--
50:19
Yeah, absolutely.
50:20
So it's kind of up to their discretion.
50:22
And so I'd say, again, just like many of these other things--
50:26
and maybe this goes back to the simplicity of the game,
50:29
which is like, OK, what do you want out of the game?
50:32
Maybe have that discussion going in.
50:36
And then, yeah, it just makes for a more satisfying experience.
50:40
And it speaks to the customizability, I suppose,
50:45
of the game as well, that they're like, hey, here's some options.
50:49
I suppose you're just like, hey, this is how a ranking up works,
50:51
or doesn't work.
50:52
It's, hey, this is what it's intended to do.
50:55
But here's some options for you.
50:56
Absolutely.
50:57
Absolutely, yeah.
50:58
I will say, I don't think I've ever played in a D&D game
51:00
where we had to track experience points to determine when we'd
51:04
level up.
51:05
It's always been the narrative level ups.
51:08
And I like that.
51:09
I like that so much more.
51:10
So I'm glad that that's how they do it here,
51:11
because it just makes more sense.
51:13
Like, why do you suddenly have new powers after you fought this one?
51:16
You could have like, oh, that one goblin, that last goblin,
51:20
that's what I needed to get there.
51:21
And then all of a sudden, I have new powers.
51:23
And it's like, that doesn't really make a whole lot of sense,
51:25
narratively speaking.
51:26
Yeah, well, and on this game, too, I will say,
51:30
each rank is a huge job.
51:32
Oh, absolutely.
51:33
I mean, you've only got six.
51:34
Yeah.
51:34
And so one is an absolute rookie.
51:36
So if you're thinking of your typical Hydra agent or Shield
51:41
agent, six is Thanos.
51:43
So it's like, that's only six different steps.
51:47
So if you were ranking up all the time,
51:50
it wouldn't take you that long to get to six.
51:52
And then it's just like, how does this even make sense?
51:54
Right.
51:55
It's a significant milestone, for sure.
51:57
It is, for sure.
51:58
And so that's one of the reasons why I'd say, yeah,
52:01
you really want to kind of decide going in like, hey,
52:05
this is where we're going to start.
52:06
This is where we're going to end.
52:08
Right.
52:08
And part of it, too, is this campaign that we're working--
52:11
there's no real end in sight.
52:14
Right.
52:14
I mean, potentially we could get there.
52:16
But I'd said in the get go, there's
52:18
comics that have been going for--
52:21
since, I mean, Superman since 1938, I believe.
52:24
And there's never been a month since 1938 when
52:28
at first, action comics number one first came out,
52:30
that there hasn't been at least one Superman issue.
52:33
Yeah.
52:34
So going in, it's just like, hey, my player said,
52:37
hey, it wouldn't make any sense for us
52:38
to start off on the same tier as Spider-Man.
52:40
But we don't see any reason to ever be above Spider-Man.
52:45
And so let's rank four will be where we cap it.
52:48
Start at rank two.
52:49
And so that's what we've been doing.
52:51
Yeah, absolutely.
52:52
I think that's great that you discussed with the players.
52:54
And everybody understands.
52:55
Everybody knows where things are headed.
52:57
And that's obviously super beneficial.
52:59
I will say, when I was making the character,
53:01
I think I set mine at rank three, I think,
53:04
is where I set mine at.
53:05
I don't remember what I did for sure.
53:07
So for this, when I was putting the character together
53:09
the other day, which I think was rank three,
53:11
I think it allows you 12 powers.
53:14
And you think, from a new perspective to it, you're like,
53:18
oh, man, that's a lot of powers.
53:21
I want to say they are very specific.
53:23
The super powers are very specific to like,
53:26
oh, you have a focus strike.
53:28
So you punch extra hard, or you hit something extra hard
53:31
with your weapon, whatever the case.
53:32
And it deals this massive amount of damage
53:34
on this one hit.
53:35
That is one individual power.
53:38
And so you spend those 12 really fast.
53:40
Yeah.
53:41
I'm sitting there, and I'm listening to them out
53:42
on my phone and stuff like that.
53:43
And then I'm like, all right, where am I at?
53:45
And I was like, one, two, three, four, five, six, oh,
53:47
I'm already at 12.
53:47
Whoa, oh, man, there were other things I was going to add.
53:49
So yeah, you definitely want to make--
53:52
and that's the beauty of it too, is that you can make
53:54
such a unique character.
53:55
Because there's a lot of powers.
53:57
You only have so many spots that you can kind of fill them
53:59
with.
54:00
You want to make sure that you don't
54:02
want to diversify too much.
54:03
Because if you do that, you're kind of all over the place.
54:06
Your character doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
54:07
And also, it's the classic, you know, Jack of all trades,
54:10
but master of none.
54:12
You're only able to do so much versus, if you really
54:15
focus in on this character, one of the people in our campaign,
54:20
he played a monkey man.
54:22
Yeah.
54:22
And that was his concept for a superhero,
54:24
is he's like an ape man.
54:25
His whole thing was like, he's strong.
54:27
He's this ape-like creature.
54:29
You can hit things really hard.
54:31
And so he based all those powers around punching stuff
54:33
and throwing stuff and lifting stuff.
54:35
And that was the gist of it.
54:37
So his general power concept was super strength,
54:39
I guess you could say.
54:40
Yeah.
54:41
And it made sense.
54:41
It was fun.
54:42
It was-- you get into a battle situation, monkey man.
54:45
Go get him.
54:46
And that's the beauty of it, right?
54:47
It's like you want everybody in your party
54:49
to have a purpose.
54:50
And if you're trying to spread that purpose out too thin,
54:52
that can be a bit of a problem.
54:54
So sure.
54:54
But with that being said, I think
54:56
we should jump over to the character creation.
54:59
[MUSIC PLAYING]
55:02
All right.
55:09
So we have both created some characters specifically--
55:13
because one of the things that I love to do whenever we do
55:15
these book club episodes for sessions at our university
55:18
is make a character in the system that we're
55:21
talking about reviewing.
55:22
Karen and I did it when we did our obojima review.
55:25
And so I thought it'd be really fun for us
55:27
to do it as well for this.
55:29
So do you want to go first or do you want me to go first?
55:32
I'd totally--
55:32
I can do it first if you'd like.
55:34
Go for it, yeah.
55:35
And how much explaining do you want me to do?
55:38
I will leave that up to you.
55:40
I was going to do my--
55:41
mine is pretty--
55:42
it's not overly detailed per se.
55:44
Like I'm not going to list out his powers,
55:46
but that's just the way I was going to do it.
55:48
Well, then you know what?
55:49
That's a better idea.
55:50
Why don't I let you go and I'll just follow Sue.
55:52
Oh, OK.
55:52
I'll follow Sue wherever you do.
55:53
Yeah, yeah.
55:54
OK, sounds good.
55:54
All right.
55:55
His name is Daniel Reed, codename Pit Viper.
56:06
Abandoned at an orphanage by his parents
56:09
when they discovered he had a mutant gene,
56:11
he was taken in by an organization
56:12
known as the afterlife.
56:14
This group of highly capable assassins
56:16
trained Daniel and other children they took in
56:19
in the ways of their own deadly martial arts
56:21
that was centered on quick and efficient execution.
56:25
Due to this, Pit Viper is considered a rank three
56:27
superhuman.
56:29
His heightened sense give him an edge in most fights,
56:32
keeping him aware of his surroundings and potential
56:34
threats at all times.
56:36
And his incredible speed allows him to strike out
56:38
at his opponent a multitude of times
56:40
within a couple of seconds.
56:42
Although originally an assassin for hire,
56:44
something shifted the focus of Pit Viper
56:47
to a different calling.
56:48
We believe it had something to do with falling in with the X-Men.
56:51
He now works closely with them on missions
56:53
and will occasionally take work with the US government
56:55
in jobs dealing with violent terrorist groups
56:58
and dictator leaders.
57:00
Although he's considered an asset,
57:01
we at SHIELD are closely monitoring him and his actions
57:05
in case he returns to his prior ways.
57:08
Additionally, we've been searching for the afterlife
57:11
and their headquarters to little success.
57:13
We've even gone as far as to interview Pit Viper
57:16
about his proverbial alma mater,
57:18
but he was unable or perhaps unwilling to divulge
57:21
any information.
57:22
This is Agent Richardson's brief overview analysis
57:26
on the super known as Pit Viper, signing off.
57:29
- So that's just kind of what I did.
57:34
Oh dang.
57:35
- I'm gonna fall woefully short.
57:37
- Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, it's totally fine.
57:39
I went a little overboard with that,
57:41
but I just thought I was trying to--
57:41
- No, no, it's good, it's good.
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- For sure, for sure.
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So I don't have a summary.
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- Do you want me to just do it off the cuff?
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- Yeah, go for it. - Or do you want me
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to go through it?
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- Yeah, go through it, or, well, no,
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you can do it off the cuff, yeah,
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whatever you feel comfortable with.
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Or you can go through it as well, like whatever.
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- Yeah, why don't I just go through it first?
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I guess--
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The hero that I created is named Blind Luck.
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His real name is Paul Lucky Penny, five foot 11.
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Blind Luck got his superpowers by,
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okay, let me just say this out loud
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because I don't know what these things are called,
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but I know they exist.
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In real life, I have a friend of mine
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that fell on hard times, and he heard of this company
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that would give you money for taking
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these kind of like experimental drugs.
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So similar to like if you were to donate plasma
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or donate blood,
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he would do this, and again,
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this is a real guy that I know would do this,
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and I would always joke with him,
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like, dude, you're gonna get superpowers.
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From the, like this, how you get superpowers.
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And he's like, yeah, this is how you die at an early age
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from some terminal illness, but anyway.
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So for Blind Luck, AKA Paul Penny,
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also known as Lucky Penny,
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he was part of these different experimental things.
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And upon doing so, he was exposed to some injection
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that ended up costing him his vision.
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And so he's lost his vision,
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so he's got the weird science origin,
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but the thing is, this also onset some of his latent ex-gene
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that he didn't even realize that he had,
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which has given him abilities of luck.
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So luck powers, and so Lucky may be blind,
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however, he's extremely lucky.
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And so not only does that affect those around him,
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he's able to give them powers that have to do with luck,
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but he's also just really good at hitting targets
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with his different abilities.
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And so he has the core rulebook
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called them Elemental Control Powers,
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where he's able to have these different projectiles.
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In the X-Men expansion,
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you are able to do powers of corrosion.
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And so the idea here is the same corrosion type stuff
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that cost him his vision.
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He's able to project on others,
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not necessarily to blind them,
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but to kind of like project on them.
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And it has a similar corroding effect to where they,
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yeah, he sounds a lot like a villain.
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Now that I say it out loud, he probably should be.
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- I'm almost thinking of,
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have you ever remember the show,
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or sorry, not show, the movie Sky High?
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- Yeah, yeah.
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- And they're going through, you know,
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he's telling the kids whether they're either
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the heroes or the sidekicks.
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And there was the one kid that like,
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he spits on the wall and he's like, sidekick.
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And then the kid's like, hold on a second.
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And then it melts, he goes, acid spit hero.
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And I'm thinking like acid spit or something.
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- There we go, exactly like that.
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So a very lucky blind guy that,
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and I'm not gonna say spit,
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'cause that makes it sound really gross,
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but they can shoot essentially energy
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that corrodes things and/or people.
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- The bane of, yeah, somebody with like,
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who's all their powers kind of revolve around them,
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having like a suit or some sort of cybernetic thing.
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Like if he's just blasting their stuff
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with corrosive stuff.
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- Exactly.
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- Like iron heart or Iron Man, obviously.
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- Yeah.
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- Or Iron Lad or any of the iron.
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- Yeah, yeah.
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(laughs)
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That's exactly right.
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And this character in particular,
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would really, I mean, this would be somebody
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that you would want in a team.
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- Yeah.
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- Especially because most of his powers have to do with
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giving others luck and jinxing others.
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And so, anyway, that's kind of--
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- He's a buff debuff guy.
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- That's exactly right.
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A buff debuff guy.
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Rank three as well is what I did,
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but he's got a whole lot in agility.
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He's got four in agility.
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And the idea here, again,
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this is where the narrative aspect of it has to come in,
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because yeah, sure, I could have gone with,
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he's like Daredevil.
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He's, you know, his, when one sense diminished,
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another one heightened.
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I could have done that, but I was like,
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no, I really like this idea of,
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no, he's just like super lucky.
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- Sure.
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- And so, his agility is really high,
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and the idea here is that he's just super lucky with it.
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And he knows it.
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- Yeah.
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- And so, anyway, so on top of that,
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he is in the education field.
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- Oh, wow.
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- And so the idea here is that,
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when I said education on his character sheet,
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my idea is he's educating people
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on the effects of these experimental drugs.
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- Oh, sure.
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- And also kind of on special needs, like blindness.
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When I say special needs,
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I'm speaking more about blindness, deafness,
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muteness, that sort of thing.
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- He's a big advocate for people with those, yeah.
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- Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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And kind of educating others on those different things.
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So anyway, that's kind of who I came up with.
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And really, for me, the X-Men expansion
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is what made me want to do this.
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I'm like, oh, there's luck based?
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- Yeah.
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- There's a luck based power set.
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And so I just thought it was interesting.
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- Interesting.
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I'm gonna have to talk to Cameron about that
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because one of his favorite heroes is Domino.
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- Okay, yeah.
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- And that's kind of her whole thing.
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- Exactly, yeah.
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- And so he would love that.
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We don't have, I don't have the X-Men one.
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I actually have it on a wish list
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'cause when I looked it up and saw that you can get
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more powers and power sets and stuff,
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and I was like, yo, more character creation options?
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That's what I wanna see.
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So.
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- And I do wanna say real quick
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before we go to the Spider-Man one too,
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because I had friends,
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my friend group was like,
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"You know, I don't know if we wanna get the Spider-Man one."
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Just because none of them had a power set
1:03:52
that was related to Spider powers.
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- Oh, sure, sure.
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- But the thing is they pack those expansions,
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both the X-Men and the Spider-Man ones,
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with so much new stuff where it's like,
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even if you do not have a character that has the X-Gene
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or a character that uses Spider powers,
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like you'll wanna--
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- You'll find something in there.
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- And on top of that, I did wanna say also,
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one of the strongest parts about this,
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as we mentioned earlier, was the characters.
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The fact that in the base game,
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the core rulebook has, I think, 130 ready-to-go characters
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and each one of the expansions has probably about 100
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as well if not more. - Oh my gosh.
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- So like the X-Men has a ton of characters,
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Spider-Man has a ton of characters,
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even the Adventure Module, the Cataclysm of Kang,
1:04:41
which I'd say is mostly unessential,
1:04:45
especially if you're not planning on running any,
1:04:49
running the Adventure Module.
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- For your end, yeah.
1:04:52
However, there's like 50 or 60 new characters
1:04:55
in there as well. - Really?
1:04:55
- It's okay. - It's okay.
1:04:57
- So no matter what you're getting,
1:04:58
there's good to be stuff in there that you can use for sure.
1:05:00
- And it's not like you can,
1:05:02
I wouldn't even say that you could claim
1:05:04
that the core rulebook, that Marvel purposely skimped on them
1:05:07
because there's 130.
1:05:09
- There's so much stuff in there.
1:05:10
- This book is huge.
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- Yeah, yeah, and so yeah, there's a ton to choose from
1:05:16
and the game is very much still alive,
1:05:19
still very much active.
1:05:20
- But that's also very exciting to hear.
1:05:21
- They've announced an Avengers expansion
1:05:24
that's going to have even more rules.
1:05:27
And so yeah, it's great.
1:05:29
It's a great system.
1:05:31
- Absolutely. - I've enjoyed it.
1:05:32
- Like I said, when you ran that one shot,
1:05:34
we had a ton of fun.
1:05:35
It was just like, it was goofy for sure,
1:05:38
but it was super fun to be able to play as superheroes.
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I think that's, this is something that does it so well, right?
1:05:43
There's a handful of different
1:05:44
superhero-based RPGs out there,
1:05:46
and there's some that are also pretty simple,
1:05:49
but this one definitely opens up a lot of opportunity,
1:05:52
I think.
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- Yeah, I think in a lot of ways,
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the main contender to this Marvel Multiversal Playing Game,
1:05:59
there's one called Mutants and Masterminds,
1:06:01
which is also a very popular, very established
1:06:04
tabletop role-playing game in this genre, I should say.
1:06:09
But the thing is,
1:06:10
they're doing two completely different things.
1:06:12
That one's very crunchy.
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This one's super just easy to pick up.
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And so, I mean, the beauty of it is,
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I don't even see them as competitors,
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because they're doing two completely different things.
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- Right, right, absolutely.
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So if you want something a little bit more crunchy,
1:06:29
that might be a good option for you.
1:06:30
But if you want something that's light
1:06:31
and easy to jump into,
1:06:33
highly recommend the Marvel Multiverse RPG system for sure.
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- Yep, yep.
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- Awesome, well, Lucas, thank you so much
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for being on the show and talking to us about this system
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and sharing your wealth of knowledge with it.
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I think that was super beneficial.
1:06:45
And like I said, we played once, had a ton of fun.
1:06:48
I'm already kind of mentally working through some ideas
1:06:51
for something that I'd like to run for the podcast.
1:06:54
So thank you so much for sharing about that and encouraging us.
1:06:57
- Thanks, thank you for having me.
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I feel honored to be on it.
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And I don't know if I was a wealth of knowledge.
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- Oh, you were, I appreciate the compliment
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and I'm flattered, so thank you.
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