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SMNTY Interviews: Park Cannon · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I could be Stefan
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Speaker 1: never told you a production of Ihart Radio.
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Speaker 2: And today, y'all, we are coming back on with a
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Speaker 2: friend of the show. I think one of the first
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Speaker 2: friends that I made thanks to the show through the podcast.
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Speaker 2: I fangirled really hard. I think I was so giddy
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Speaker 2: when you came on that everybody was like, is she okay?
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Speaker 2: Because I was so excited to have you on. And
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Speaker 2: actually it was one of our last interviews that we
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Speaker 2: did in that studio because the pandemic had happened, we
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Speaker 2: quickly wanted to shut down. But with all of this, yes,
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Speaker 2: I'm building it up. We are here today with Representative
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Speaker 2: Park Canon of Georgia House District fifty eight. Welcome back,
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Speaker 2: Thank you.
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Speaker 3: I am still legislatively yours. I am still the youngest
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Speaker 3: Democrat elected to the House in Georgia and now I
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Speaker 3: am the secretary of the Caucus.
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Speaker 2: Yes, you have done so much, and if you can't tell,
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Speaker 2: I'm still fangirling because I have watched you continue to
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Speaker 2: grow doing so much for our community specifically and being
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Speaker 2: our voices, and very excited that you are continuing in
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Speaker 2: this track with our interests in mind, and I really
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Speaker 2: feel like you're one of the hopes that we have
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Speaker 2: when it comes to politics, because it's been disappointing. Let's
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Speaker 2: be honest, you know, I think we came back with
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Speaker 2: a lot of heartbreak in the last four years, a
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Speaker 2: lot of also, you know, restoration of faith as well.
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Speaker 2: But you are one of the few that I'll still
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Speaker 2: keep watching and have not been disappointed by. So thank you.
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Speaker 3: Okay, Honestly, I feel like there are some lesbian fore
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Speaker 3: mothers and some queer folks out here holding me accountable,
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Speaker 3: and so the work is definitely of our office, but
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Speaker 3: also I think of a lot of the people who
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Speaker 3: feel like things are broken now.
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Speaker 2: And of course you have given some of the things
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Speaker 2: that you've been doing and you're still doing, and we
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Speaker 2: have to put behind your title, you know, advocate. Of
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Speaker 2: course style icons still are because you're killing it well.
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Speaker 2: As I'm watching you on Instagram, I'm like, I need
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Speaker 2: silent advice from her reproductive justice advocate in Doulah. And
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Speaker 2: you've been fighting so hard with that. You're an author, Hello,
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Speaker 2: yes you are, and yeah, you've done so much and
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Speaker 2: we're so excited to have you back on And with that,
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Speaker 2: how have you been. How are you doing?
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Speaker 4: It's been interesting.
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Speaker 3: I now have two therapists and my team at the
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Speaker 3: Capital has grown to make sure that we've got everything covered,
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Speaker 3: and ultimately I've started ballroom dancing.
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Speaker 2: Cool.
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Speaker 3: Yes, your girl did a chat shot competition, and I'm
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Speaker 3: not going to get too much into it because it
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Speaker 3: was for charity. But I got the highest points in
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Speaker 3: the competition but walked away with no trophy because they
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Speaker 3: had a sudden dance off in a totally different genre
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Speaker 3: and I was just giving basic and they needed extra.
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Speaker 3: So the moral of the story is I'm fine, but
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Speaker 3: I'm still missing that trophy.
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Speaker 2: God, come on, we need to see clips of those
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Speaker 2: because I have questions.
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Speaker 4: I will email it to you immediately.
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Speaker 3: It's on my Instagram and your girl is still going
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Speaker 3: to therapy over it.
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Speaker 1: Too.
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Speaker 2: I would too. But that's still amazing that you went
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Speaker 2: and competed because for me, things like that, I'm like, no,
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Speaker 2: thank you. I would be on the sideline eating popcorn
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Speaker 2: watching you do it.
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Speaker 3: No, I really have to move a lot of the
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Speaker 3: stuff that happens at the Capitol out of my body.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, And so I.
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Speaker 3: Go to the sauna and I go to stretch class
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Speaker 3: and physical therapy and just try to use some different
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Speaker 3: herbs in my baptob you know, just really trying to
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Speaker 3: get the white supremacy off of me.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, and in the state of Georgia, I can't imagine.
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Speaker 2: But with all that, you have been obviously very very
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Speaker 2: busy being on the front lines in Georgia politics. You've
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Speaker 2: been on the front pages of news all over the country,
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Speaker 2: all of the nation, fighting for your people in your community. Again,
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Speaker 2: that's a whole lot of responsibility being placed onto your shoulders.
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Speaker 2: I cannot imagine, and I'm thinking I don't think you
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Speaker 2: hit enough baths, enough of those to be able to
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Speaker 2: completely relax. But again, like guys said, just watching you
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Speaker 2: doing the work that you're doing, still fighting especially what
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Speaker 2: feels like an uphill battle constantly has been so it's
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Speaker 2: not just encouraging. There's so many words that I don't
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Speaker 2: have enough of because we know, again after being disappointed,
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Speaker 2: this is the moments where I'm like, yeah, I know
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Speaker 2: I'm significantly older than you, but you're doing all of
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Speaker 2: this work, and I know it has to be from
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Speaker 2: people like you, unfortunately, because you're the ones who really
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Speaker 2: really push it forward.
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Speaker 4: And I love that.
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Speaker 3: We're super future minded in my office, to the point
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Speaker 3: where we're thinking past the wars that we're in. We're
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Speaker 3: thinking past the brutality that we're seeing and past the
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Speaker 3: mortality experiences, really into a world that is infinite with opportunity.
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Speaker 3: So I think that this last session, I went in
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Speaker 3: thinking how can I serve members even when they don't
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Speaker 3: know they're being served, and how can I rest a
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Speaker 3: little bit more. So I've been calling myself internally the
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Speaker 3: sedentary secretary because I've been trying to sit down and
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Speaker 3: do the work more because people would always say, like
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Speaker 3: there goes part Candon, like her feet are going fast
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Speaker 3: as down a hallway, and I enjoyed like the click clack.
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Speaker 3: But I've also realized being sedentary, being settled, helping people
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Speaker 3: see the power in, you know, being organized. So I've
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Speaker 3: been enjoying the sedentary secretary role a little bit this year.
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Speaker 2: Ooh, the power being organized. That's a statement that I
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Speaker 2: don't I don't understand. I need it, but I don't
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Speaker 2: understand it. Yeah, And as the secretary, I know you know,
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Speaker 2: and the world knows that a lot is happening right
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Speaker 2: now in Georgia. We are a pretty big focal point
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Speaker 2: for a lot of things, and one of the big things,
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Speaker 2: of course, has to do with the overturning of Roe v. Wade,
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Speaker 2: and in before then, even before then, conservatives in Georgia
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Speaker 2: have been working to completely dismantle abortion rights. We know
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Speaker 2: that it's been a thing. They've been doing this and
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Speaker 2: now have had the chance to run with that, unfortunately,
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Speaker 2: and they have places that six week ban in full fact,
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Speaker 2: and we know that access has been severely limited, even
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Speaker 2: though there's more support for abortion access than not like publicly,
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Speaker 2: but hey, who want Why do we care what the
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Speaker 2: people want?
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Speaker 1: Right?
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Speaker 2: What are some things we may not know about the
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Speaker 2: law that just that was passed.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so the law makes it ambiguous on to who
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Speaker 3: can drive into hov lane, because how does a police
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Speaker 3: officer decide who's pregnant or not? And when do you
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Speaker 3: decide that the pregnancy is viable enough to get out
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Speaker 3: of a ticket. It also makes it so that the
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Speaker 3: process of child support can be started while someone is
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Speaker 3: in the womb, And it also makes it so that
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Speaker 3: different health care facilities are criminalized ultimately for their role
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Speaker 3: in dealing with miscarriages.
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Speaker 4: So it's a pretty.
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Speaker 3: Intense reality that we have here in Georgia, which is
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Speaker 3: why I'm proud of organizations like ARC Southeast and the
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Speaker 3: Feminist Women's Health Center that still provide access to abortion
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Speaker 3: inside the state and also help you travel or get
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Speaker 3: childcare or hotel care if you have to go outside
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Speaker 3: of the state. And legislatively, we've been passing bills to say,
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Speaker 3: if you're going to make it so that people have
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Speaker 3: to remain pregnant and carry to term, then you're going
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Speaker 3: to need to change some systemic issues. So this year
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Speaker 3: we were able to create a new Commission on basically
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Speaker 3: Maternal Equity and Excellence, and so it will convene fourteen
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Speaker 3: different stakeholders who are not just obgi ns, but who
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Speaker 3: are system administrators and pelvic floor specialists and chiropractors who
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Speaker 3: can say what's wrong with George's healthcare system. As well
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Speaker 3: as we've put some more money in the budget for
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Speaker 3: our review committee, which when someone passes away in childbirth,
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Speaker 3: there's this review committee that figures out how it happened.
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Speaker 3: And that review committee has been so key.
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Speaker 4: Because it has proven that.
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Speaker 3: Eighty nine percent of the births that ended fatally in
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Speaker 3: Georgia were preventable.
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Speaker 4: So when things are preventable.
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Speaker 3: That means that we should start compensating people. So just
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Speaker 3: yesterday I put in a bill that would create a
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Speaker 3: survivor's fund for families of those who pass away in
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Speaker 3: childbirth right.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and as in fact, that was something I was
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Speaker 2: going to bring up because you've been sponsoring or introducing
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Speaker 2: bills since the new policies have happened with the overturning
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Speaker 2: of Roe v. Wade, trying to lessen the restrictions or
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Speaker 2: at least help those who are most affected by those
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Speaker 2: bills like HB one, I know, the Georgia pro Birth
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Speaker 2: Accountability Act, which was amazing, Like you have some of
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Speaker 2: the best I feel like, comebacks to, like the most
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Speaker 2: archaic and all awful bills or policies that have happened.
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Speaker 2: You just come back with like, Okay, well let's talk
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Speaker 2: about this instead. And I love that because you do
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Speaker 2: this in politics, you do this in policy form, and
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Speaker 2: I'm like, damn, I don't know if people realize how
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Speaker 2: artful this really is, and we don't talk about it enough.
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Speaker 2: But bills like this, which is something try to hold
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Speaker 2: people accountable for irresponsible bills that target pregnant people but
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Speaker 2: don't want to actually help or give a sense after
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Speaker 2: birth or in case of death. So you kind of
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Speaker 2: already talked about it, but can you elaborate more on
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Speaker 2: why these bills are important, why we need to keep
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Speaker 2: talking about it, and actually we need to make it
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Speaker 2: public for sure.
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Speaker 3: So, for example, a mama who is on Medicaid in
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Speaker 3: Georgia right now gets to have health insurance simply because
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Speaker 3: that person is pregnant, but as soon as the pregnancy
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Speaker 3: is over, they can be kicked off of Medicaid. So
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Speaker 3: we expanded Medicaid for mama's only postpartum in Georgia, and
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Speaker 3: that gives folks up to one year, which covers that
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Speaker 3: postpartum possible mortality period. But what we've seen is that
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Speaker 3: not only are people barely surviving that one year, but
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Speaker 3: they're having a lot of other complications and issues that
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Speaker 3: could be viewed from other medical perspectives if the system
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Speaker 3: was paying attention.
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Speaker 4: So, for example, we put a bill together this.
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Speaker 3: Year that says, why wait for the six week ob
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Speaker 3: visit to ask the mama how her mental health is.
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Speaker 3: Why don't we just have that happen at the newborn visit,
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Speaker 3: which happens within one week of birth and these bills
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Speaker 3: are so important for medicaid mamas because they're expecting that
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Speaker 3: the system is going to set off an alarm and say, hey,
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Speaker 3: it's time for you to come in for this visit.
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Speaker 3: Hey it's time for you to check in about birth control,
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Speaker 3: and the systems are not. The OB's are not talking
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Speaker 3: to the pediatricians, who are not talking to the labor
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Speaker 3: and delivery nurses, who aren't talking to the doulas. So
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Speaker 3: that's why it's so important that we put together this
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Speaker 3: commission where everyone can finally talk to each other and
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Speaker 3: get out of silos. And on top of that, with
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Speaker 3: the Survivor's Fund. We've been hit with naysayers who will say, well,
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Speaker 3: there is an anti gratuities clause in the state of Georgia,
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Speaker 3: which means that same way that legislators can't get free
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Speaker 3: tickets to things, that residents of Georgia can't just receive
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Speaker 3: free government money and free government you know items.
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Speaker 4: And so some naysayers have.
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Speaker 3: Said, well, what does the state have to do with
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Speaker 3: a mama who passes away in childbirth's child going to kindergarten?
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Speaker 4: And our response is.
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Speaker 3: Everything, how can we make it possible that this is
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Speaker 3: not something that you can talk down on, but that
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Speaker 3: you can publicize. And so the way that we're seeing
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Speaker 3: this is if that review committee deems a death as preventable,
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Speaker 3: that pros takes one year, so it's at least a
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Speaker 3: year after the mortality, and then the family could apply
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Speaker 3: and by that point, you know, some of the grieving,
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Speaker 3: some of the trauma, some of the family issues might
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Speaker 3: have resolved a little bit, so that now you can
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Speaker 3: make a plan for that child's life and the guardian
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Speaker 3: or whoever it's going to be. And we're hopeful that
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Speaker 3: what we'll see is that people who have almost passed away,
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Speaker 3: which we call morbidity, maternal morbidity or a near miss,
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Speaker 3: that will start to catch some of their experiences too,
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Speaker 3: as they start to reach out to the committee to
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Speaker 3: share what's going on with them.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, one of the things that we're seeing with all
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Speaker 1: of these walls or legislations that are being proposed that
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Speaker 1: are very anti abortion, anti reproductive rights is fear, I think,
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Speaker 1: in confusion, just mass confusion. So technically abortion is still
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Speaker 1: legal here and you've already talked about some things still
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Speaker 1: legal here in Georgia. I mean, what do the listeners
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Speaker 1: need to know when it comes to Georgia, and that.
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Speaker 3: Here in Georgia, if you take a pregnancy test and
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Speaker 3: you see that you're pregnant, you're going to need to
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Speaker 3: follow up and find how many weeks pregnant you are
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Speaker 3: because that determines your access to care. There are some
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Speaker 3: clinics that are able to provide abortion pills to you
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Speaker 3: if when you receive your ultrasound, if it says that
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Speaker 3: you're less than six weeks gestation, and if you are
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Speaker 3: over six weeks and it is not an extreme case
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Speaker 3: of incest or rate that you have reported to the
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Speaker 3: police and have a report for, then you will have
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Speaker 3: to go out of state to North Carolina and receive
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Speaker 3: services there, which they go a little bit further than
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Speaker 3: we do, but they also don't go as far as
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Speaker 3: the next state, which would be Virginia. So right now
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Speaker 3: we are seeing a lot of families leave Georgia and
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Speaker 3: head straight for Virginia without checking how far along they are,
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Speaker 3: just to make sure that they can get the best care.
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Speaker 2: Right, which is upsetting, Like, there's so many conversations that
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Speaker 2: need to be had with these kind of restrictions. But yes,
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Speaker 2: but they act like the fact of the matter is
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Speaker 2: it is still technically legal six weeks and of course
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Speaker 2: with the mini guidelines, that's just like we're like I
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Speaker 2: can't even I get so angry. I can't even talk,
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Speaker 2: like I'm just I'm just fumbling through the requirements that
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Speaker 2: they have set up for access and it is almost impossible.
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Speaker 2: It's kind of that same level of like they're hoping
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Speaker 2: that you'll go to a pregnancy center and like being
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Speaker 2: tricked into all of that. So I'm not even gonna
17:13
Speaker 2: go into all that because I don't. I will flip things.
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Speaker 2: I will throw things apart right now, Like I just
17:18
Speaker 2: want to throw things. So I'm gonna calm down. But
17:20
Speaker 2: like there's so many things that need to be had,
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Speaker 2: but that things like the organizations that you were talking
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Speaker 2: about arec who I love. They are probably one of
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Speaker 2: my favorite organizations. Really do so much, but make sure
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Speaker 2: that they are fighting for reproductive rights in general, Like
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Speaker 2: they're not just working to help their clients, are helping
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Speaker 2: trying to help those in this area.
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Speaker 3: Which yeah, they're in the Amplify Coalition, which is a
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Speaker 3: collaborative of different nonprofits to amplify issues of reproductive justice.
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Speaker 3: So the Amplify folks have been down at the Capitol.
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Speaker 4: They have been doing great work.
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Speaker 3: And I'm super grateful too that we get to have
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Speaker 3: different converss, like about trans folks, about queer communities, about
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Speaker 3: how COP City impacts queer folks, and Amplify is really
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Speaker 3: leading on those issues.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's some big stuff I didn't even I
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Speaker 2: haven't even tried to bring up cop City because I'm like, oh,
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Speaker 2: that's another I bring it up in like sarcastic tone
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Speaker 2: because it's just still so bleak being in Georgia and
18:23
Speaker 2: knowing what is happening here already, and you're like, well,
18:26
Speaker 2: what with the people who I thought I could trust
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Speaker 2: in this city council? Really turned up disappointing, as I said,
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Speaker 2: But like this is when I'm talking about the amount
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Speaker 2: of disappointment that I've seen within our government who I
18:38
Speaker 2: thought would do what was for the best interest, and
18:41
Speaker 2: the fact that it's very like this is getting shorter again.
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Speaker 2: You're still on my list, Thank you so much more. Yeah, okay, yeah,
18:51
Speaker 2: but you know, and on top of that, and in
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Speaker 2: this conversation, we have to talk about the voter suppression
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Speaker 2: stuff that has been happening and sat in the South
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Speaker 2: and in Georgia as well, and the continued use of
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Speaker 2: trickery and all the things that's happening here. And Georgia
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Speaker 2: has become a swing state. We know this and when
19:08
Speaker 2: it comes to elections, and we've become a focal point
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Speaker 2: for many when it comes to the results in elections
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Speaker 2: and government. And even after both Kemp and Raethisberger confirmed
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Speaker 2: that there were no fraud or illegal doings in twenty twenty,
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Speaker 2: they still use that fear mongering to make it harder
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Speaker 2: for marginalized folks to vote. And they did this nicklely
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Speaker 2: and deceptively by signing the Election Integrity Act of twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty one, which I feel like is a slap in
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Speaker 2: the face in general, like that's such a lie. That
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Speaker 2: is not that is not what's happening.
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Speaker 3: That was their talking point for that year, integrity, and
19:46
Speaker 3: we really read through it and helped them understand that
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Speaker 3: it was really just human rights violations.
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Speaker 1: So right, right, and you you actually decided to take
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Speaker 1: action on that. But before we get into that, can
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Speaker 1: you talk about why acts like these are harmful for
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Speaker 1: voters and do not put integrity into anything.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, when you revamp the entire voting code, However, you
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Speaker 3: don't get input from First Amendment organizations, voting rights groups,
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Speaker 3: nor the offices at the local departments that are going
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Speaker 3: to effectuate the elections, you know that there is no
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Speaker 3: integrity to it. We have seen that in the recent elections,
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Speaker 3: people have continued to show up to early vote more
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Speaker 3: than they have shown up on election day. And that's
20:39
Speaker 3: been great because then it gives you an opportunity to
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Speaker 3: vote in different places at different times. But also we
20:46
Speaker 3: have seen some voter confusion as to what district they're
20:52
Speaker 3: in because since I talked to y'all last we've gone
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Speaker 3: through two cycles of redistricting, whereas we only should have
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Speaker 3: had zero.
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Speaker 4: So we had to.
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Speaker 3: Come in in a special session re draw maps. Then
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Speaker 3: they went to court, and then the court had to
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Speaker 3: decide if they complied with the Voting Rights Act. And
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Speaker 3: although we, along with ACLU and a number of other
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Speaker 3: organizations argue that they did not comply with the Voting
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Speaker 3: Rights Act, the Court's ruled in the favor of our
21:25
Speaker 3: opponents and said that the maps could go into effect.
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Speaker 3: And so simply just helping people know what district they're
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Speaker 3: in right now has been important due to these voter
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Speaker 3: issues and changes over the past few years.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and of course, as Georgia residents and voters, we
21:44
Speaker 2: want to thank you because not only did you take
21:47
Speaker 2: action against something that was so harmful to us, but
21:49
Speaker 2: you helped bring attention to the n ethical practices and
21:53
Speaker 2: policies like these. No matter what, they did not come
21:56
Speaker 2: out looking good. There was nothing about this that was like, oh, yeah,
21:58
Speaker 2: they're doing great hiding it. But while you were going
22:02
Speaker 2: through this, you were a store, you were going on
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Speaker 2: the front page news everywhere. I remember seeing it going, yeah,
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Speaker 2: that's my girl right there, that's my friend. I was like, yeah,
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Speaker 2: if there were, But what was going through your mind
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Speaker 2: when all this came about when you were going at
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Speaker 2: the door, Like, if you want to talk about it,
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Speaker 2: you don't have going to detailed I know you've talked
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Speaker 2: about it many times, but having to stand at the
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Speaker 2: door trying to get their attention to be like, this
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Speaker 2: is not the way this works, and then having to
22:28
Speaker 2: try to like just have an adult conversation is what
22:31
Speaker 2: it's like.
22:32
Speaker 3: This week is the three year anniversary of my unlawful
22:35
Speaker 3: arrest at the Georgia State Capitol, and the reflections that
22:39
Speaker 3: I have on it are twofold one that I am
22:43
Speaker 3: actively suing the State of Georgia right now in order
22:47
Speaker 3: for them to understand that they violated my rights and
22:52
Speaker 3: there is compensation as well as changes that need to
22:58
Speaker 3: happen so this does not affect another legislator. And secondly,
23:03
Speaker 3: that the world is watching, the world has seen these
23:07
Speaker 3: same officers arrest other elected officials in their capacity, that
23:12
Speaker 3: the world has seen them pass voter challenge laws in
23:17
Speaker 3: front of plantation photos, that the world has seen them
23:21
Speaker 3: continue to evade responsibility for interfering with elections in Fulton County.
23:29
Speaker 4: So as I reflect on it, I'm.
23:31
Speaker 3: So proud that Fannie Willis was recently elected the district
23:37
Speaker 3: attorney when my unlawful arrest happened, and she was able
23:42
Speaker 3: to drop the charges, and today we have been standing
23:45
Speaker 3: with her. I am now the Fulton County Chair and
23:49
Speaker 3: so as Fulton County elected officials, we have been supporting
23:54
Speaker 3: her through this.
23:55
Speaker 4: Time in which they have been trying to put her
23:59
Speaker 4: on trial. But they should.
24:02
Speaker 3: Be terrified because they have awoken so many other people,
24:10
Speaker 3: Like in my experience, they woke so many people who
24:15
Speaker 3: thought that voter challenges were of the past, and in
24:18
Speaker 3: her case, they have awakened many individuals who can see
24:24
Speaker 3: how masogyny plays into elected leadership and how at the
24:29
Speaker 3: same time she has been phenomenal with her pursuit of
24:34
Speaker 3: justice for all of Georgia and the nation. So I'm
24:38
Speaker 3: feeling kind of excited that this is where we are
24:43
Speaker 3: and that the eyes are still on Fulton County voters, right, I.
24:47
Speaker 2: Will say, Like watching the TikTok videos of the different
24:51
Speaker 2: testimonials and all that testifying happening, I'm like, Okay, I
24:55
Speaker 2: am a millennial genexer. So when this phrase stand on
24:58
Speaker 2: business came out, I was like, what now, I get it,
25:01
Speaker 2: Like watching her, like, oh, that's what that means. Like
25:05
Speaker 2: those are the moments and you doing what you did,
25:07
Speaker 2: like standing there and making sure that people will understood
25:11
Speaker 2: we're watching you. You can't hide this. We're not gonna
25:13
Speaker 2: let you hide this. Like both of those moments are
25:16
Speaker 2: like I get that, I get that phrase.
25:19
Speaker 4: I'm here now, Yes, we stand for Fanie. Yes.
25:23
Speaker 2: And I'm telling you what the level of professionalism that
25:29
Speaker 2: she has like this is the I feel like a
25:31
Speaker 2: battle of competence versus ignorance, Like the difference of like, yeah,
25:37
Speaker 2: this is what this looks like, Yeah, I like it.
25:39
Speaker 2: Thank you for representing Georgia in such a way for
25:42
Speaker 2: Fulton County. Right, but oh, I hadn't realized that you
25:46
Speaker 2: are a chair for Fulton County. You're very busy.
25:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're very busy. Well again, thank you for being here. Okay,
25:57
Speaker 1: speaking of we are back into presidential election season again.
26:02
Speaker 1: Feels like we never left. But they're very similar scenarios
26:07
Speaker 1: that we've seen before. But what are some things that
26:10
Speaker 1: we should all be paying attention to right now? What
26:13
Speaker 1: are some key factors we may need to know.
26:15
Speaker 3: So the reason why we vote in the March primary
26:20
Speaker 3: is to designate our party so that in the May
26:23
Speaker 3: primary that candidates like myself can reach out to their voters.
26:30
Speaker 3: And right now it's so important because we've had all
26:33
Speaker 3: these redistrictings. So as much as people have been like,
26:39
Speaker 3: I'm not interested in voting for either candidate, that's fine.
26:43
Speaker 4: I hear you.
26:45
Speaker 3: The progressivism has not been there, and we would regress otherwise.
26:52
Speaker 3: But this is a system of participation. It does not
26:57
Speaker 3: award people who do not participate. So I am pushing
27:01
Speaker 3: for voter participation as a process. I want you to
27:07
Speaker 3: know what district you were in last election and which
27:11
Speaker 3: one you're in this time. I want you to know
27:13
Speaker 3: what was your polling place and what is it now,
27:16
Speaker 3: because even my polling place change this election, and I'm
27:21
Speaker 3: the elected official, so I know that for other people
27:26
Speaker 3: the process of receiving a notice in the mail and
27:30
Speaker 3: saying this says my polling place has changed?
27:32
Speaker 4: Do I believe it? Is this real? Is this not?
27:35
Speaker 3: There is going to take more voter touches from myself
27:41
Speaker 3: the candidate, to help people feel like, Okay, yeah, this
27:44
Speaker 3: is real. I've gotten a notice in the mail. Park
27:47
Speaker 3: Cannon's office has told me on letterhead, and then I
27:50
Speaker 3: also received a campaign literature from her. But if you
27:54
Speaker 3: don't participate, you literally don't get put on the super
27:58
Speaker 3: voter's list. So you drop from being a person who
28:02
Speaker 3: has voted in three of the four previous elections to
28:07
Speaker 3: two of the four previous elections. And it wasn't because
28:12
Speaker 3: of anything other than your unwillingness to vote for a
28:15
Speaker 3: specific candidate to which you could write in. So we've
28:19
Speaker 3: been talking a lot about folks, you know, needing to
28:23
Speaker 3: understand the point of the primaries is really to help
28:27
Speaker 3: us figure out what is our database and so all
28:31
Speaker 3: the data folks out there, all the people who are
28:33
Speaker 3: good at Excel spreadsheets, all the people who do real
28:36
Speaker 3: estate and who do generating leads, you understand why having
28:43
Speaker 3: data that is accurate is important. Secondly, the issues that
28:50
Speaker 3: hit the federal level really come to pass at the
28:54
Speaker 3: state level. So when we're talking about issues of immigration,
29:02
Speaker 3: as much as it is the federal government's purview to
29:07
Speaker 3: determine policies related to how they treat people migrating, how
29:13
Speaker 3: they fund the resources for them, and how they deal
29:17
Speaker 3: with criminalities, it comes to bear with a local sheriff
29:25
Speaker 3: deputy pulling someone over.
29:28
Speaker 4: And so we need.
29:30
Speaker 3: To be clear that when we vote for the federal elections,
29:35
Speaker 3: we are enabling or disabling local actors to do what
29:41
Speaker 3: needs to be done to not violate people's human rights.
29:44
Speaker 3: And my concern right now is that people feel like
29:49
Speaker 3: this is us showing our loyalty to federal actors, when
29:55
Speaker 3: really this is us being the first line of defense
29:59
Speaker 3: for our lofe local people to be okay. And so
30:03
Speaker 3: our office can't wait to get out of session.
30:06
Speaker 4: We finish on the twenty eighth, and we are going.
30:10
Speaker 3: To be knocking people's doors hosting events, having rallies not
30:15
Speaker 3: for candidates but for.
30:17
Speaker 2: Cause, right, which I've seen you've been doing during the
30:21
Speaker 2: middle sessions as well. I know you've been doing those things.
30:27
Speaker 2: And I think, yeah, that important message of like how
30:30
Speaker 2: how it does affect what's going on in a local level,
30:34
Speaker 2: and we have to be careful and watch it, like
30:36
Speaker 2: all of these things interact together, and it does affect
30:40
Speaker 2: us all as we've continued to see things that have
30:42
Speaker 2: happened on a federal level in the Supreme Court has
30:45
Speaker 2: absolutely drastically affected all of us, even though it's supposed
30:49
Speaker 2: to be with that whole intent of being state rights bs.
30:53
Speaker 2: But you know, that's a whole different conversation, which is
30:55
Speaker 2: what the concern is. Which is that conversation, Because yeah,
30:59
Speaker 2: I'm definitely one of the I'm like, I don't like
31:00
Speaker 2: my options, but I'm gonna go with the lesser equal,
31:05
Speaker 2: and I know it's important that I have to stick
31:07
Speaker 2: to that because when we were laxed for a second,
31:10
Speaker 2: and I don't think I was that laxed to begin
31:12
Speaker 2: like I say this, and that I voted and I
31:13
Speaker 2: was concerned, and I remember people being like, it's not
31:16
Speaker 2: that big of a deal. When Trump came through, it's
31:18
Speaker 2: not that big of a deal, and we saw like
31:20
Speaker 2: it's been a wreck. It's been a wreck. Uh.
31:23
Speaker 3: My legislative life has been starkly different throughout the three
31:29
Speaker 3: presidencies I've served under Obama, Trump and Biden. And what
31:35
Speaker 3: I can say is that if you're not concerned with
31:40
Speaker 3: supporting a federal candidate, think about the impact that either
31:46
Speaker 3: of those presidencies would have on Queer local elected officials
31:51
Speaker 3: like myself who are defending against these issues. Like just
31:56
Speaker 3: scale back and think about how it empowered folks like
32:02
Speaker 3: us who are on the ground and who know our
32:04
Speaker 3: community as well, so that it feels less icky.
32:12
Speaker 2: Right, that's a good way to say. Sorry. I know
32:15
Speaker 2: it gives you the ick, but you got to figure
32:17
Speaker 2: out what it really does mean.
32:18
Speaker 3: Think about me, Think about me and my shoes and
32:20
Speaker 3: my glasses and me being bopping around the streets of Atlanta.
32:25
Speaker 4: Like, focus on that side.
32:29
Speaker 2: Here and before we end, because there's still several more
32:33
Speaker 2: things that we don't talk about, but we do have
32:35
Speaker 2: to throw it back to our last interview with you,
32:37
Speaker 2: when we talked about how you got into politics to
32:40
Speaker 2: begin with and your advice for others who are interested
32:44
Speaker 2: as well. And not only did you give us some
32:46
Speaker 2: great advice then and listeners, but you've actually written a
32:50
Speaker 2: book to give a step by step guide and insight
32:54
Speaker 2: into running for office that's titled The Universal Guide to
32:59
Speaker 2: Running for Office State Level, which, by the way, I
33:02
Speaker 2: found out the d KABA library. I was very I
33:04
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, library system and I was able to
33:07
Speaker 2: check it out and read through it, so I was like.
33:09
Speaker 1: Look at here.
33:12
Speaker 3: Honestly, shout out to my friend Michelle who has been
33:16
Speaker 3: getting my books into library systems in different places, and
33:21
Speaker 3: anyone who's listening. If you want a copy for your
33:23
Speaker 3: local library, just present it to them and they should
33:27
Speaker 3: be able to put it on the shelf.
33:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's great. I was so excited to get it.
33:32
Speaker 2: And not only do you give straightforward practical advice like
33:38
Speaker 2: raising funds and campaigning and paperwork even and even about
33:42
Speaker 2: like yard signs, like you were all in it, but
33:44
Speaker 2: you talk about the need for justice inclusion care as well.
33:50
Speaker 2: I'm gonna quote from the book because you know that's
33:51
Speaker 2: what I like to do. Bring the issues of all
33:54
Speaker 2: types of justice to the forefront of your campaign, racial, economic, transit, healthcare,
33:59
Speaker 2: environmental ability, reproductive, criminal, restorative, global, and social to start
34:03
Speaker 2: a list of some that voters care to hear from
34:05
Speaker 2: you about. This is one of the most liberating parts
34:09
Speaker 2: of running for office because it truly allows many viewpoints
34:12
Speaker 2: and needs to be explored and expanded based on your actions.
34:17
Speaker 2: And I feel like, even though that sounds obvious, I
34:19
Speaker 2: don't think we get to truly witness this in many politicians,
34:23
Speaker 2: in many people in government. So can you expand on
34:27
Speaker 2: my practicing? I want to say this. I see this
34:30
Speaker 2: as empathy essentially and care intersectionality, But can you expand
34:34
Speaker 2: onto why it's important to have this type of lead
34:36
Speaker 2: in politics and policy.
34:38
Speaker 3: When candidates realize that people want to vote for more
34:43
Speaker 3: than just talking points, but for actual, lived experiences and
34:49
Speaker 3: opportunities for collaboration, then things are better. Because if I
34:54
Speaker 3: walk up to someone's porch and they've done some renovations,
35:00
Speaker 3: I'm excited to talk to them about who do they
35:03
Speaker 3: use and how did it work and why do they
35:05
Speaker 3: decide this style and etc. Versus me just walking up,
35:10
Speaker 3: putting the flyer on the door, and walking away. If
35:12
Speaker 3: I just leave my flyer, all they see are talking points.
35:16
Speaker 3: But if I actually try to engage with them, try
35:19
Speaker 3: to go to their neighborhood meetings. I get to hear
35:21
Speaker 3: about what's going on. And maybe for some communities the
35:26
Speaker 3: idea of renovating your porch is controversial because it needs
35:30
Speaker 3: to fit into a artistic.
35:33
Speaker 4: Mold of the neighborhood, you know.
35:35
Speaker 3: But for other communities it's a sign of economic prosperity
35:40
Speaker 3: to be able to, like redo your grandmama's porch, And
35:43
Speaker 3: so there's some code switching of course that takes place
35:46
Speaker 3: as a candidate, and really, campaign managers and campaign team
35:51
Speaker 3: members are the ones who can help you to stay
35:54
Speaker 3: to the ground. Like maybe out of a block of ten,
35:58
Speaker 3: you knock five doors and your tear em knocks five,
36:01
Speaker 3: but at least you have that come together conversation where
36:04
Speaker 3: you're like, Okay, what were they talking about over there?
36:08
Speaker 4: And I'm excited that now that we are.
36:13
Speaker 3: Experiencing the COVID a different way and people are open
36:18
Speaker 3: to seeing each other face to face and being out
36:21
Speaker 3: in community events, that candidates who are running this cycle
36:25
Speaker 3: will have the opportunity to be more external and to
36:29
Speaker 3: be more long winded. But it was just a function
36:33
Speaker 3: of the pandemic that I feel these past three years,
36:36
Speaker 3: candidates have really had to be concise, and so I'm
36:40
Speaker 3: hopeful to see more folks reach into our groups, reach
36:43
Speaker 3: into the book and try to come up with some
36:45
Speaker 3: like savvy slogans and interesting campaigns.
36:48
Speaker 4: And I've been seeing some of.
36:50
Speaker 3: Them around, Like the yard signs are coming out now,
36:53
Speaker 3: and people are really starting to, I think, pull their
36:56
Speaker 3: identities to the front instead of pushing them back.
37:00
Speaker 2: I love that. I also love that you put your
37:02
Speaker 2: glasses that's part of your yard sign.
37:05
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, it was so good tested it it said
37:08
Speaker 3: looking out for you, for thinking, and so I want
37:11
Speaker 3: more candidates to do things like that. Like there's a
37:14
Speaker 3: young elected official who just got into the house and
37:19
Speaker 3: his last name is Bell. So on his yard science
37:22
Speaker 3: he has a bell and then like all of his
37:25
Speaker 3: things is like wake up, it's time right, or like
37:28
Speaker 3: you know, the bell is ringing for justice. And so
37:31
Speaker 3: I think that when candidates start to get into more
37:34
Speaker 3: creative ways of campaigns, that you get people to come
37:38
Speaker 3: to you instead of you having to go to them.
37:41
Speaker 2: Annie loves a good pun, so she's she's down for
37:43
Speaker 2: all those. And you, as you were talking, you are
37:53
Speaker 2: currently in election season yourself, and now you are a pro.
37:58
Speaker 2: You are a pro at this, but I'm sure as
38:00
Speaker 2: time has changed, as candidates have changed, as federal levels changed,
38:04
Speaker 2: and as our societies changed, you've had to adapt to it,
38:09
Speaker 2: like you talk about the pandemic and COVID and having
38:11
Speaker 2: to change in that way. Is there or maybe you didn't.
38:16
Speaker 2: I'm assuming this is my assumption, But is there anything
38:18
Speaker 2: different you're doing this time around than you were before.
38:23
Speaker 3: This time around, we're working backwards from the voter registration
38:26
Speaker 3: deadline instead of working backwards from election day, So we're
38:31
Speaker 3: thinking about by the voter registration deadline, people should have
38:37
Speaker 3: these three things they're polling place in mind, the candidates
38:41
Speaker 3: they're willing to vote for, and who it is that
38:43
Speaker 3: they're going to turn out, instead of waiting until after
38:47
Speaker 3: the voter registration deadline, when then you might not be
38:50
Speaker 3: able to get some registered or you might not be
38:53
Speaker 3: able to change your address. So I think that that's
38:56
Speaker 3: going to help us to increase our turnout by just
38:59
Speaker 3: making sure that folks know where to vote and have
39:03
Speaker 3: those decisions made sooner.
39:05
Speaker 5: Yes. Yes, So.
39:17
Speaker 1: One thing you did in your book that wasn't quite
39:19
Speaker 1: what we expected was that you had a whole section
39:23
Speaker 1: of affirmations. So can you talk about what made you
39:26
Speaker 1: decide to put that in there and why you think
39:28
Speaker 1: that is something that is important.
39:31
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a doula, so I'm always helping folks with
39:35
Speaker 3: their emotions. And I realized that candidates need a doula too,
39:41
Speaker 3: because you face the world as yourself and then come
39:47
Speaker 3: home and take care of your family life, and sometimes
39:50
Speaker 3: even the folks closest to you.
39:52
Speaker 4: Don't know how to help.
39:55
Speaker 3: So placing on paper some of your affirmations based on
40:02
Speaker 3: the things that you've gone through, I found can really help,
40:06
Speaker 3: especially when, for example, I was trying to figure out
40:10
Speaker 3: like am I gonna be ten minutes late to this
40:12
Speaker 3: neighborhood meeting or am I going to stop and get
40:15
Speaker 3: me a bubble tea? One of my affirmations is I'm
40:20
Speaker 3: going to get that bubble tea because my mouth is
40:25
Speaker 3: now juicier and I've got some you know, good feelings
40:30
Speaker 3: going on. I can kind of come into the meeting
40:33
Speaker 3: and people are like.
40:34
Speaker 4: Oh, she drinks boba. Yeah she drinks boba. Oh what
40:36
Speaker 4: kind of boba? You know?
40:38
Speaker 3: And so it helped me to get out of just
40:40
Speaker 3: the cookie cutterness of campaigns and so I have some
40:45
Speaker 3: really interesting affirmations in there that are things like related
40:50
Speaker 3: to the bubble tea, but then also things that are
40:52
Speaker 3: about your aspirations for the world, Like I'm so glad
40:57
Speaker 3: that I wrote the affirmation we can win without war
41:03
Speaker 3: in my book back in twenty twenty one, because I.
41:08
Speaker 4: Still feel that way.
41:10
Speaker 3: I still feel like the binary conversations that are happening
41:13
Speaker 3: about global justice right now.
41:15
Speaker 4: We can win this without the war. We really can.
41:19
Speaker 4: We got to figure it out.
41:21
Speaker 3: But letting folks write their own affirmations, I'm hopeful will
41:27
Speaker 3: bring them closer to their communities too, and then be
41:31
Speaker 3: like a journal that they can look back on in
41:33
Speaker 3: their candidate experience and not feel like it's all washed
41:37
Speaker 3: over them.
41:37
Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, one of the affirmations that kind of
41:40
Speaker 2: surprised me when I was ringing through it was I
41:42
Speaker 2: will hold myself accountable because that's not the typical that's
41:46
Speaker 2: not the typical affirmation that you you know, like we
41:49
Speaker 2: might joke about, I feel good today, I feel pretty
41:51
Speaker 2: all these things. But that was a surprising one because
41:54
Speaker 2: I'm like, ah, that's some real talk to yourself, Like
41:56
Speaker 2: that's that's an interesting affirmation in understanding that you're gonna
41:59
Speaker 2: have to take a minute and realize what that actually means.
42:04
Speaker 2: But with that, for us who are just trying to
42:07
Speaker 2: get through this year and hopefully not have a horrible,
42:11
Speaker 2: horrible result, can you share a good affirmation for us
42:15
Speaker 2: to start with, because that's not a typical thing that
42:17
Speaker 2: I do.
42:18
Speaker 4: Yes, we are.
42:20
Speaker 3: Of the practice that we practice. So if we practice
42:26
Speaker 3: to not vote, we are going to continue to see
42:30
Speaker 3: our access to the ballot go away. If we practice
42:35
Speaker 3: being in positivity with our neighbors, like not being gentrifiers
42:42
Speaker 3: who call the police on black people, then we too
42:47
Speaker 3: will probably face better circumstances when it comes to our policing,
42:52
Speaker 3: our mortality. And as legislators, we jump out of the
43:00
Speaker 3: legislative session into the campaign cycle overnight. But for voters,
43:06
Speaker 3: this is going to feel like a long time, like
43:09
Speaker 3: just from March until November. And so what are the
43:13
Speaker 3: practices that you can put in to make this chunky,
43:17
Speaker 3: to make this soup have some taste, to give it
43:20
Speaker 3: a vegetable and a tofu. And so I'm hopeful that
43:25
Speaker 3: people will be like, oh, you know what, I could
43:27
Speaker 3: do a voter registration check on my neighbors. I could
43:31
Speaker 3: text five people and ask them before the voter registration
43:34
Speaker 3: deadline if they're registered. I could go to a rally
43:38
Speaker 3: or plan a rally, like I could decide to drive
43:41
Speaker 3: some people to the polls and then I could vote.
43:44
Speaker 3: So hopefully we are you know of the practice that
43:48
Speaker 3: we practice like it.
43:50
Speaker 2: I like that you also added tofu like that's that's
43:52
Speaker 2: not difficult, like it's a super over here, soa and
43:58
Speaker 2: I love having to to all of it. Kimchichi k
44:01
Speaker 2: all the tofou play, thank you. Yeah, and uh, you've
44:05
Speaker 2: done so much and you've kind of already talked about
44:07
Speaker 2: it because you were talking about ballobagazing and realizing that
44:10
Speaker 2: you need to leave some of the darkness when it
44:16
Speaker 2: comes to policy being in government work behind and let
44:19
Speaker 2: it off of you a little bit. But can you
44:21
Speaker 2: tell us some things that you are some other of
44:24
Speaker 2: the things, or just even go into more detail on
44:27
Speaker 2: how you try to relax and pause from the chaos
44:31
Speaker 2: of all of this.
44:33
Speaker 3: Yeah, I learned from the legislator who left the seat
44:36
Speaker 3: before me that burning out happened within a system of people,
44:47
Speaker 3: within a group of people, and it's not always personal.
44:50
Speaker 3: So when I'm seeing other legislators be like, I don't
44:54
Speaker 3: want to qualify for reelection. I can't deal with this
44:56
Speaker 3: constituent reaching out to me about cop city, I don't
45:00
Speaker 3: know what to say about issues that are global or
45:04
Speaker 3: domestic issues, or I don't want to be a surrogate
45:07
Speaker 3: for this person. I can start to hear the burnout
45:11
Speaker 3: happening too, and I can be somewhere, maybe further along
45:16
Speaker 3: in my healing process to help them along too, And
45:19
Speaker 3: I can just ask them like, hey, you do know
45:22
Speaker 3: that there's this one organization that will pay for a
45:24
Speaker 3: therapist for us, or hey, do you want to come
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Speaker 3: with me and work out before session? And I'm not
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Speaker 3: solving all the issues that they have, but just kind
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Speaker 3: of calming the collective burnout in some ways is important.
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Speaker 3: And then when people decide that they do want to
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Speaker 3: move on, that they are going to run for something
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Speaker 3: higher or they're not going to run for reelection, like
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Speaker 3: really taking the time to not just forget them. They've
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Speaker 3: served the state of Georgia and there are a number
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Speaker 3: of people who are not going to run for reelection
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Speaker 3: who I am right now starting to figure out, well,
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Speaker 3: what will my friendship look like with them? And what
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Speaker 3: are the things that maybe I can learn from them
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Speaker 3: in their time here so that I can continue forward.
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Speaker 3: So check on your legislators, you know what I mean. Like,
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Speaker 3: we need y'all to check on us. We need to
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Speaker 3: check on each other. We need a lot of help.
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Speaker 2: Let's go ballroom dancing. No, I'm just kidding.
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Speaker 4: I don't want to go Friday nights here dance studio.
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Speaker 3: It is three okay, it is open floor and there
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Speaker 3: are instructors there, and you just come in, get you
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Speaker 3: a little savisa or a little wine water, gatorade, whatever you like,
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Speaker 3: and then they'll call out like chatcha, and then everyone
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Speaker 3: goes to the floor and you know the chat scha.
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Speaker 3: You know it's a specific step, and so then they'll
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Speaker 3: start calling it out one two three cha cha cha
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Speaker 3: two three chat chat ya, and so you just kind
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Speaker 3: of start getting in where you're fitting in. The song
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Speaker 3: is over, then they'll call for sasa one two three
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Speaker 3: one two three one two three one two three, and so.
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Speaker 2: People kick it in.
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Speaker 4: You could you could you gonna make it?
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Speaker 2: I'll just say, I feel like I'm getting a lesson.
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Speaker 2: I stick with Zoomba. That's the very least like I'm
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Speaker 2: gonna do some zoomba. That's that's the level.
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Speaker 4: It has elements of it all. So that's excellent.
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Speaker 1: I love it. I love it so much. Well, thank you,
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Speaker 1: thank you, thank you so much for taking the time
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Speaker 1: to be here with us today. Hopefully we'll have you back.
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Speaker 1: Hopefully you'll be a recurring guest.
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Speaker 2: I would love quicker than this though years.
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Speaker 1: No, yeah, not every four years. We we should shorten that.
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Speaker 1: That gay. But where can the good listeners find you?
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Speaker 4: Right now?
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Speaker 3: I'm at the State Capitol in room six o seven,
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Speaker 3: and that is where you can come hang out in
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Speaker 3: my pink and blue chairs. I have a pink desk.
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Speaker 3: The girl has signs that support folks of all backgrounds
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Speaker 3: and a really diverse team. After April, we will be
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Speaker 3: at the Lola, which is our community coworking space. It's
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Speaker 3: a femme owned and operated coworking space across from Pont
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Speaker 3: City Market, So come check us out at the Lola.
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Speaker 3: And then heading up to November, we will be going
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Speaker 3: across this country to try to raise money for Democrats
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Speaker 3: in Georgia. We will be at the DNC in August
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Speaker 3: in Chicago, and all times in between we will be
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Speaker 3: on Instagram having a good time at Park Canon fifty eight.
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Speaker 1: Yes, I love it. I love it so much, Thank you,
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Speaker 1: thank you again, and we'll be we'll be in touch
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Speaker 1: about future future discussions.
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Speaker 2: More things, maybe dancing. I want to see eighty bottom dance.
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Speaker 4: Yes, I love it.
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Speaker 3: And we would also love to have y'all a day
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Speaker 3: at the Capitol one day, you know, like sometimes we
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Speaker 3: invite different media folks and they brought cast live from there,
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Speaker 3: or we set up certain interviews, or you can just
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Speaker 3: come for a tour.
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Speaker 4: You know.
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Speaker 3: Have you all seen the two headed cow and the
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Speaker 3: two headed snake?
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Speaker 2: You know, the last time I was at the Capitol,
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Speaker 2: I really think it was my eighth grade trip. So
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Speaker 2: it's been a hot minute. Like I'm not gonna age
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Speaker 2: myself but over Yeah, it's been a long time.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we sound it.
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Speaker 3: I would love to have y'all come visit me one
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Speaker 3: day and thank you again for having me.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for coming on such a joy.
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Speaker 4: I love this.
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