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#2550 - Rick Springfield · The Joe Rogan Experience

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  Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience.
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  Speaker 2: Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
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  Speaker 1: You believe? Mm-hmm. I think something's going on.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what that something is. Yeah, I know.
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  Speaker 3: The whole argument of, you know, a species living long
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  Speaker 3: enough to, surviving long enough to actually have fasted light
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  Speaker 3: or fasted light travel is.
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  Speaker 1: It's a tough one.
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  Speaker 2: It is a tough one. Are we rolling? I think
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  Speaker 2: they probably have some unique propulsion system that has nothing
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  Speaker 2: to do with moving in one direction to another. I
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  Speaker 2: think they fold space and time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: This is what– yeah.
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  Speaker 1: What is it?
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  Speaker 3: The wormhole that brings the two things together so you
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  Speaker 3: skip all lifts.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's the theory. But, I mean, obviously
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  Speaker 2: in practice.
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  Speaker 3: But then it's them living– it's– That species existing long enough,
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  Speaker 3: because we're like, we're getting close to, you know, and
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  Speaker 3: we're nowhere near that. So the species living long enough
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  Speaker 3: to achieve that and then come here is, you know,
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  Speaker 3: that's the stumbling block I have.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, a lot of people have that stumbling block. I
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  Speaker 2: think it's also the possibility that they didn't evolve in
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  Speaker 2: the same violent world that we did. But then there's
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  Speaker 2: the question, well, then what gave them the motivation to
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  Speaker 2: innovate and move forward? Because for us, a lot of
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  Speaker 2: it is survival and competition. And that's the reason why
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  Speaker 2: people innovate in the first place.
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  Speaker 1: Wars create great innovation.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the more interesting theory is that they're monitoring
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  Speaker 2: us to make sure that we can successfully pass this
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  Speaker 2: sort of adolescent phase of evolution that we're currently in.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's why they hover over nuclear bases and shit.
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  Speaker 1: We hope we get there. It's very debatable. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, listen, man, thank you for being here. It's kind
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  Speaker 2: of cool to meet you. It's fascinating. I listened to
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  Speaker 2: your music when I was in high school, which is crazy.
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  Speaker 2: And to see you look as good as you look now,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we played a video. I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: you ever saw it. We were freaking out. Like, this
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  Speaker 2: guy's like, how old are you?
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  Speaker 1: Seventy-seven.
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  Speaker 2: 77. That's fucking incredible, dude. Because a lot of your contemporaries,
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  Speaker 2: even guys younger than you, they're falling apart. And you
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  Speaker 2: were out there singing Jessie's Girl like you wrote it
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  Speaker 2: a week ago. It was crazy.
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  Speaker 1: That was actually a great comment. I really appreciate that.
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  Speaker 3: I'm still very passionate about playing music. And they say,
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  Speaker 3: how can you deliver a song that you've played a
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  Speaker 3: million times is because the energy of the audience, you know?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I wrote the song, and to see an
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  Speaker 3: audience react like that to it, it's pretty difficult to
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  Speaker 3: just sit back.
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  Speaker 1: And go, you know. So it charges me up, too.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's nice that you still enjoy it and appreciate it,
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  Speaker 2: because I think even though it's the dream for everyone
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  Speaker 2: to become a rock star, for some people, something happens
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  Speaker 2: along the way, And they just get so accustomed to
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  Speaker 2: it and they get, you know, worn out by it.
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  Speaker 2: And then they don't love it anymore, which is crazy.
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  Speaker 1: I know.
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  Speaker 3: Well, obviously it depends on the person, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And it depends on whatever experiences they have. I've had
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  Speaker 3: pretty good experiences.
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  Speaker 1: And I just. I've always wanted to do it. Since
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  Speaker 1: I was.
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  Speaker 3: 11 years old when I first saw and held my
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  Speaker 3: first guitar, that was what I wanted to do. And
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  Speaker 3: really it's kind of centered around playing guitar, although that's
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  Speaker 3: not what I'm necessarily known for, but that's what I
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  Speaker 3: enjoy the most. And when I started to write, that
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  Speaker 3: kind of changed everything for me too.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it gave me a.
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  Speaker 3: Great forward focus rather than just playing, but going somewhere
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  Speaker 3: with the writing.
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  Speaker 2: How old were you when you first started performing in
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  Speaker 2: front of people?
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  Speaker 3: About 15, 15 I started playing.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I had a school band together. And then
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  Speaker 1: I got kicked out of school, actually. I got kicked
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  Speaker 1: out of 11th grade. For what?
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  Speaker 2: What happened?
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  Speaker 1: I didn't show up anymore. I just, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: discovered the guitar and.
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  Speaker 3: And I had a serious depression when I was a kid.
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  Speaker 1: I still deal with it.
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  Speaker 3: But I was failing in the only arena that was
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  Speaker 3: available to me at the time, which was school, you know,
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  Speaker 3: with friends and school and work and all that, school work.
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  Speaker 3: And I just wasn't doing well, and it was really
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  Speaker 3: dragging me down. And I discovered the guitar, started staying
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  Speaker 3: away from school because I couldn't face going to school. But,
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  Speaker 3: you know, instead of playing video games and getting stoned,
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  Speaker 3: which wasn't available to me at that point.
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  Speaker 1: I was reading.
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  Speaker 3: Robert Bloch and August Derleth and great writers, because I
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  Speaker 3: loved horror, and playing the guitar. And that was my education, really,
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  Speaker 3: after once I learned to read and write.
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  Speaker 1: That was what I took out of school.
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  Speaker 2: Where were you living?
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  Speaker 3: I lived in Australia until I was 10. Then we
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  Speaker 3: moved to England until I was about 13. And that
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  Speaker 3: was a big, that was a game changer for me.
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  Speaker 2: Because your accent is weird.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, it's all over the place.
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  Speaker 1: It is, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I'm trying to lock it in and figure out what
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  Speaker 2: the hell's going on.
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  Speaker 1: I know.
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  Speaker 3: There's some words I can't say with an American accent.
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  Speaker 3: I can't say Australia with an American accent.
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  Speaker 1: It's just not possible.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we moved to England. That's when I discovered girls
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  Speaker 3: and guitars. And that was like the beginning for me.
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  Speaker 1: It was, A band called Cliff Richard and the Shadows.
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  Speaker 1: They were before the Beatles.
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  Speaker 3: And then I moved back to Australia. And then I
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  Speaker 3: went to Vietnam for a couple of months. And then
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  Speaker 3: I came over here.
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  Speaker 1: What were you doing in Vietnam? 68, 69.
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  Speaker 3: There was promoters in Saigon and Da Nang. And they
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  Speaker 3: were looking for the closest to Occidental country was Australia.
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  Speaker 3: So the GIs wanted to see... you know, girls that
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  Speaker 3: reminded them of home. So as long as we had
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  Speaker 3: a couple of girls in the band, they would hire
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  Speaker 3: you and you could tour.
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  Speaker 1: Vietnam during the war zone. It was pretty insane. We
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  Speaker 1: were there for about four months.
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  Speaker 2: What was that like?
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  Speaker 1: Uh, it was insane.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, I, I've thought, oh, great, we'll make money, you know,
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  Speaker 3: and of course we didn't make any money. We spent
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  Speaker 3: it all at the PX and, uh, We weren't making
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  Speaker 3: much money anyway. But we based out of Saigon and
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  Speaker 3: Da Nang, and we toured from Cam Ranh Bay up
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  Speaker 3: to the DMZ. We were at the DMZ, the TET
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  Speaker 3: after the TET where they'd crossed over, the Viet Cong
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  Speaker 3: crossed into the cities and everything and, like, done the
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  Speaker 3: big assault, you know, the TET assault.
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  Speaker 1: We were there. I was two miles from the DMZ
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  Speaker 1: on that next TET. And I remember.
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  Speaker 3: New Year's Eve, and the parachute flares started going off
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  Speaker 3: like this. And there's like a line of guys heading
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  Speaker 3: towards us. And it was freaking freaky.
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  Speaker 1: They kept them at bay, but we got shot at
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  Speaker 1: and rocketed, and we'd be playing, and there'd be mortars landing.
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  Speaker 1: Holy shit.
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  Speaker 3: Stayed over, and we befriended some Navy guys at Marble Mountain,
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  Speaker 3: which is outside Da Nang. And we went back there for.
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  Speaker 3: To give them a free show, you know, because they
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  Speaker 3: were so appreciative, you know. I mean, they loved seeing
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  Speaker 3: the girls, but they wanted connection with home, you know.
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  Speaker 3: So they'd take you into the tents, and we'd play
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  Speaker 3: Hendrix and get stoned. And, you know, I mean, even
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  Speaker 3: though we're Australian, there still was a connection there. And
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  Speaker 3: so we met these guys, and we really got along well,
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  Speaker 3: and we stayed overnight with them. And we all got
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  Speaker 3: in the bunkers. in the perimeter bunkers, and I stayed
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  Speaker 3: in the radio shack. And we got attacked, and I'm
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  Speaker 3: throwing mortars down the freaking tube of.
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  Speaker 1: The radio shack.
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  Speaker 2: You were throwing mortars?
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  Speaker 1: It was freaky. Yeah, this was before. You couldn't do
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  Speaker 1: any of this now.
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  Speaker 3: This was 1968, 69. And it was, you know, you'd
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  Speaker 3: see tracers going off the guys, the rest of the
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  Speaker 3: Bamber and perimeter bunkers.
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  Speaker 1: And it was pretty insane.
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  Speaker 2: Holy shit.
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  Speaker 1: We actually went up on a mission in an Apache helicopter, too.
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  Speaker 1: because they said, you guys want to come? And we're
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  Speaker 1: all like, yeah! But it was, you know, it was
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  Speaker 1: pretty hairy.
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  Speaker 2: Holy shit, man. That's got to be insane. When you
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  Speaker 2: were over there, were you like, what the fuck have
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  Speaker 2: I done?
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  Speaker 1: It was fear. Sorry, I went down the wrong way.
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  Speaker 1: And It was pretty much a fear factor the whole time.
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  Speaker 2: Holy fuck, man.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we slept with them. Hang on.
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  Speaker 3: As you get older, you get a dry throat. We
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  Speaker 3: slept a lot of the times where the G.I. slept
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  Speaker 3: in their, you know, their hoochies and wake up.
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  Speaker 1: With dust all over you.
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  Speaker 2: Is that you over there?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. There we are.
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  Speaker 2: Holy shit, man.
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  Speaker 1: That's what we slept in, the hoochers, a lot of
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  Speaker 1: the time.
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  Speaker 2: How old were you then?
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  Speaker 1: I was like 67, 68, 69. I was 18. Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and those jeans hadn't been washed in about three months. Ha, ha, ha.
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  Speaker 2: You had to be like rethinking that decision to go
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  Speaker 2: over there.
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  Speaker 1: I was there and it was, okay, we make the
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  Speaker 1: best of it.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, there was, you kind of fall into a mindset,
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  Speaker 3: although I wasn't, you know, I wasn't going out, you know,
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  Speaker 3: shooting with the GIs. You fall into a mindset there
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  Speaker 3: that everything's legal. You know, anything goes. We did some
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  Speaker 3: pretty nutty things. At one point we were, standing in
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  Speaker 3: line with 40 other guys in a hut and being
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  Speaker 3: serviced by this one Vietnamese hooker.
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  Speaker 2: Just 40 guys waiting for one hooker? Yeah, it was insane.
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  Speaker 2: Holy shit.
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  Speaker 3: And there was nothing much to do but smoke. I
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  Speaker 3: smoked dope, started smoking dope there.
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  Speaker 2: That was the first time?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I haven't, I didn't, I had not really
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  Speaker 3: been a doper, you know, but I did there and
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  Speaker 3: it was kind of considered just a thing to do.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody was stoned. All the soldiers were stoned.
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  Speaker 2: All the time?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow.
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  Speaker 2: The last thing I would want to do is be
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  Speaker 2: high in a war zone.
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  Speaker 1: Dude, we were in the Trang, right?
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  Speaker 3: Which is this beautiful beach town and they go there
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  Speaker 3: for R & R because they could surf, right? But
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  Speaker 3: it was still dangerous and we were in a We'd
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  Speaker 3: stay in these, sometimes if we weren't staying on an
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  Speaker 3: army base, we'd stay in these old villas that were
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  Speaker 3: old French villas that were once beautiful and now were
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  Speaker 3: rat infested. I mean, we'd be sleeping on cots and
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  Speaker 3: rats would be going underneath. We got stoned. I remember
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  Speaker 3: one night we got stoned. And the next thing you hear,
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  Speaker 3: machine gun right outside the house. And you hear the
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  Speaker 3: guy goes, hit the lights, hit the floor. So the
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  Speaker 3: lights go out and we all hit the floor. And
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  Speaker 3: you didn't know what was going on. But when you're stoned,
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  Speaker 3: it's like, oh, my God. It could have been anything.
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  Speaker 1: Holy shit, man. But it was freaky.
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  Speaker 3: But being stoned helped you deal with it, you know,
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  Speaker 3: not have the constant.
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  Speaker 1: Fear.
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  Speaker 3: Although when the fear hit, if you're stoned, it's like
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  Speaker 3: you go over.
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  Speaker 1: The top, you know.
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  Speaker 3: But it was just the way we deal with it.
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  Speaker 3: I remember we'd be playing for the troops, you know.
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  Speaker 3: We'd be playing on the back of a truck. We
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  Speaker 3: played in.
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  Speaker 1: Firebases.
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  Speaker 3: We all thought it was going to be like a
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  Speaker 3: Bob Hope tour. You come in a fleet of helicopters.
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  Speaker 1: You play. They were sitting in bleachers. They applaud.
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  Speaker 3: You get in a helicopter and fly away. It was
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  Speaker 3: nothing like that. It was just a guy out of
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  Speaker 3: Saigon that hired us.
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  Speaker 1: What was I talking about? I get lost very easily.
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  Speaker 3: I have ADHD, and there's so much awesome shit around
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  Speaker 3: here to look at that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm kind of like, We were talking about getting stoned.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: We were playing on the back of a truck, and
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  Speaker 3: there's a guy sitting there on their helmets with their M16s,
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  Speaker 3: just watching the show. And we finish, and this guy
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  Speaker 3: comes up to me, and he's stoned out of his head.
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  Speaker 3: He goes, I'm going to go out and see what
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  Speaker 3: I can kill now, man. And he puts his helmet
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  Speaker 3: on and walks out into the jungle with the company.
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  Speaker 1: But it was just bizarre experiences like that. But now
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  Speaker 1: I look back. and go, what the fuck was I thinking?
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  Speaker 1: It was unreal.
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  Speaker 3: And it's so weird, because I remember Arthur C. Clarke
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  Speaker 3: telling the story about how he's sitting with a guy
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  Speaker 3: on a plane.
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  Speaker 1: He said, what do you do?
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  Speaker 3: He said, oh, during the war. And he went on
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  Speaker 3: for two hours about what happened during the war. And
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  Speaker 3: he says, what do you do now?
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  Speaker 1: He says, I'm an insurance salesman. And that was it.
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  Speaker 1: What he does now was a... But the whole war experience,
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  Speaker 1: you know....
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  Speaker 3: It's, it's, if you go on forever, because it's so
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  Speaker 3: much happens and it's such a, in a space, so
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  Speaker 3: much is lived, you know, and the fear is, uh,
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  Speaker 3: kind of one of the, having that much, that much
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  Speaker 3: fear constantly is, is, is pretty taxing.
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  Speaker 1: And now it wasn't, we weren't even going out.
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  Speaker 3: And shooting, although we did, uh, we'd shoot everything from
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  Speaker 3: 45s to tanks and we, and, um, We'd be driving
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  Speaker 3: along and get shot at, and like I said, we'd
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  Speaker 3: be playing, and the rockets or the mortars would start landing,
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  Speaker 3: and they'd hustle us into a bunker. But we weren't
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  Speaker 3: actually going out like those guys were and.
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  Speaker 1: Walking point.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that was also one of the strangest wars ever
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  Speaker 2: because it didn't make any sense why we were over there.
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  Speaker 2: And then when the soldiers came home, instead of being
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  Speaker 2: greeted like heroes like they were in World War II.
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  Speaker 2: They were spat on, yeah. Yeah, I mean, it was.
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  Speaker 3: It was really terrible for them because meeting them over there,
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  Speaker 3: they go, you know, you think, oh, when they get
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  Speaker 3: over there, probably, yeah, we're here, we'll do a job.
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  Speaker 3: You know, all the ones I met were, dude, I
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  Speaker 3: don't know why we're here. I don't know what I'm
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  Speaker 3: doing here. All of them while they were, you know, fighting.
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  Speaker 3: So it's... It was a bad war for sure.
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  Speaker 2: No, one of the worst wars ever. And these guys
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  Speaker 2: coming back from that, it's just that experience must have
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  Speaker 2: been so different because you're over there, you're killing people,
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  Speaker 2: you don't know why you killed people, and then you're
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  Speaker 2: in the grocery store. Like that scene from, what's that movie?
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  Speaker 2: You know the movie I'm talking about?
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  Speaker 1: Apocalypse?
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Hurt Locker.
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  Speaker 2: Remember when a guy comes back, he was, you know,
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  Speaker 2: diffusing IEDs. He comes back and he's walking to the
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  Speaker 2: grocery store and he's just like, what the fuck am
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  Speaker 2: I doing? Like the contrast between the two places is
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  Speaker 2: just too much. It's too crazy. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: My mom said when I came back and they picked
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  Speaker 3: me up at the airport, she said a car backfired
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  Speaker 3: and I like jumped. And I don't remember it, but
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  Speaker 3: she said, you know, my eyes look kind of haunted.
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  Speaker 2: I could only imagine.
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  Speaker 1: Took me a while to kind of get through it.
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  Speaker 2: Did you see people die over there?
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  Speaker 1: What's that?
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  Speaker 2: Did you see people die over there?
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  Speaker 3: Um, we saw trophy albums, which were kind of scary.
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  Speaker 3: They said a lot of the GIs kept trophy albums
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  Speaker 3: where they'd photograph like body parts or a guy that
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  Speaker 3: had a 50 millimeter shell go through his head, you know,
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  Speaker 3: and it was, um, pretty freaky. Um, The leader of
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  Speaker 3: the band actually died when we got home from a
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  Speaker 3: disease he picked up over there, a lung disease.
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  Speaker 1: Died at 25. What was it?
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  Speaker 3: His name was Pete Watson. He was the leader of
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  Speaker 3: the band. I was a guitar player.
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  Speaker 1: In the band. I wasn't the lead singer or anything.
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  Speaker 3: And he must have gone somewhere where we didn't go
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  Speaker 3: on the days off and, you know, picked up something.
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  Speaker 2: Just some jungle disease?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: The doctor said, you've been anywhere exotic lately? He said,
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: I just got back from Vietnam.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: He said, well, you got this thing in your lungs
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: that is pretty rare. So, you know, I don't know
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: if it was Agent Orange or if it was something
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: you picked up from, you.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Know, whatever was in Vietnam. But, yeah, he lasted about
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: a year.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow. Unfortunately, none of you guys got it.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we all raced to the doctors and got, you know,
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: chest x-rays, but it was okay.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: But, yeah, he's weird.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: I was looking him up the other day and didn't
• 17:58
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• 18:00
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• 18:03
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• 18:04
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: How much time in total were you over there for?
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: About four months.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: Holy shit, man.
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  Speaker 3: And there was a point where they wanted us to
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• 18:24
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  Speaker 1: We've had enough of that experience.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: What was the decompression like when you got back home?
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: I don't really remember because it's just one of those.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: I mean, the hardest thing for me was that I'd
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: thrown a mortar down and it had hit somebody.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: And they came in the next day and said, hey,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: you got one, you got one.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: And that still has a hard place to land.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: In me, you know?
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: That's really kind of the one thing I brought back
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: with me that I couldn't really find a place for
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: that to land. And still, it still seems like, you know,
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: years ago, another guy, another place.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: So.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Explain to me how this is happening. Like, where are you?
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: Were you throwing these mortars down?
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: I was in a place called Marble Mountain.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: It's outside Da Nang. And it was a Navy encampment
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: on the beach. And I was in the radio shack.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: And the band members.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Were in the perimeter, the perimeter boxes, you know. And
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: they said, radio, you know, it was like the movies.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Radio came in.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: Seeing movement over here, check for friendlies. And they said, no,
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: no friendlies there. So they said, hey, you want to
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: throw some mortars down the tube? And it was John
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: Wayne time, you know. I mean, as a young kid,
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: I didn't really understand what I was doing.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: I said, oh, yeah, let's fire a gun, you know.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: So I threw the mortars down, about five or six mortars,
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: which I could have easily lost a hand.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: You know. I mean, that kind of thing.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: And and then came in the next morning and said
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: one of them had hit a VC.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: Wow. How long did that sit with you for?
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: What's that?
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: How long did that sit with you for? Like, how long?
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, I think it's still there, you know? I mean,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: it doesn't, I, it's, it's hard for me.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: To, you know, kind of face that I was responsible
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: for the end of a, you know, a, even though
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: it's distant and it's war and I didn't really have
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: anything to do with it and didn't really know what
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: I was doing. But, you know, as a kid and playing,
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: like I said, John Wayne, but it was.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: It's pretty heavy when I, you know, when I think
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: about the reality of it.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: Did you write any songs about that experience?
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: No, I wrote about it in my autobiography, but it's
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: not really... well, not yet, hasn't been sold material. Yeah.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Because it seems like there's probably something there.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, there's definitely something there, for sure.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: I have, I mean, not to commercialize it, but I
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: have a new record coming out that deals with, which
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: probably could be elements from that, it deals with getting
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: older and, you know, like my first album, working class
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: dog was, I was 29, 30, it was all about
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: getting laid, you know, because that's all a guy thinks
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: of and that's what you write about. But as you
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: get older, there's other things to think about. So there's,
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: you know, getting older, you know, the thinking of death
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: is somewhere out there. And so I write about stuff that,
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: I think about, and that's what I've been thinking about.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: You know, sex is still in there, but not as
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: much as it was when I was 29 or 30.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Of course not.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Well, it's kind of amazing because when you were young
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: and when you first started on this musical journey, there
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: were no 76-year-old rock stars. It didn't exist. And it
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: was thought to be a young man's game, period. And
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: when people got to be a certain age, they just
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: stopped playing And, you know, the Rolling Stones were sort
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: of the first to defy that.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: I remember in 88, they put out an album, and
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: it was a big deal. God, the Rolling Stones put
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: out a new album? This is crazy. These guys are
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: going to go on tour? This is crazy.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: I know, and they just recently said, well, I don't
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: know if I can do it anymore. Keith did, right?
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: I know, recently. Now, I saw them. Now, they're doing it.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: At Circuit of the Americas, the racetrack out here, it
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: was like 100,000 people four years ago, three years ago,
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: whatever it was, when they played in Austin. It was
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: fucking incredible, man. Mick has two trailers that are just
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: gym equipment. He has two huge tractor trailers and the
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: inside of it is just a gym.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: That's awesome.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: And that guy works out every day. just so he
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: can keep doing it.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, he's the inspiration as far as how
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: far you can push it.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: He's the canary in the coal mine.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, their last album, he sounds incredible. Incredible. He
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: sounds like he's 18, you know?
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: I mean, Paulie is now starting to, you know, I
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: love Paul McCartney. He was the guy I looked up
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: to as a kid, you know, and he's starting to
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: get a little, you know, a little weaker, but.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: But he's still amazing. I mean, to me, he's one
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: of the great rock voices.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Oh, for sure.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: But Jagger is crazy. I mean, he still sounds the same.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Not just sounds the same, but when he's on stage,
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: he's moving.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: He's nonstop.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: Nonstop. And dancing and moving and singing with emotion. And
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: it seems just like when I saw you perform Jessie's Girl, like,
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: He's singing it like he still loves it, like he
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: still appreciates the experience and never got jaded by it all.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, I mean, I saw an interview recently
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: with him, and the guy said, you know, do you
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: feel different because, you know, you've been this all your life?
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: He goes, yeah, I feel.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: Different than other people because of it. You know, I
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: feel separate from them. And I understand that there is
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: a degree of that that just happens because it's not
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: normal to get up in front of, you know, a
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: couple of thousand people and have them want to be
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: there and to be with you and to sing, you know.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: I guess that's kind of the element of everyone wanting
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: to be a rock star is as an actor you're not,
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: An actor's done on film or whatever and then played,
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: you know, but the rock star has it on record,
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: plus he's got it live. That live connection is, I think,
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: what everybody kind of looks at in the end as
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: far as that's what I'd love to do.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Have all those people go, yeah.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Well, it's also that experience is such a positive experience
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: for everyone.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Totally.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: For you, for them. When I go to a live concert,
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: I'm always amazed at how good it feels. It's like
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: you're on a drug. You're feeling it. It's like everyone
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: is loving the music, the sound, the performers there, and
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: the fact that they're actually right there. There's so much
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: going on. You walk out, they're like, that was fucking awesome.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: I feel like it's kind of taking the place of church,
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: where we go to commune with the with our fellow,
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: you know, humans, and we're all, it's different than a
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: sports event, because a sports event is generally two sides.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: But when you're at a concert, everyone's pointing the same way.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Also, it's all positive. Like, if your team loses, you
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: don't leave there dejected. If you're there to see, you know,
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: fill in the blank, whatever band, and you leave there,
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: you're like, fuck, that was awesome.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: I say, actually, that our job is to give the
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: audience something 90 minutes, two hours of freedom from the
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: crap that bothers them during the day.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: And it frees us, too. Yeah. It frees me.
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: I don't think of all the shit that, you know,
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: that the monkeys talk in my head. So it's a mutual,
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: you know, a mutual good feeling.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, 100%. And it's also, it's like such a uniquely
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: positive thing that you can give to people.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. Yeah.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: If you can perform to your fans every night, the
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: amount of positivity you're spreading and the amount they're receiving
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: and you're receiving is just, what a unique life. Because
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: the average person will never experience what you experience on
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: a normal night.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's probably true.
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: I think there are different versions of that. I mean,
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: like you're, you know, you understand that you get, a
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: lot of attention for what you do.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: You know. It's basically.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: Somewhere inside you're going, someone's noticing me, what I do.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: I'm not just, it's not just, you know, because we create.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Art.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: We create art because we just have to. And art
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: doesn't exist to be liked. our ego wants it to
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: be light. And it's our ego, I think, that that
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: whole thing charges you know, the whole audience thing charges.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: But I think if you don't have any ego, you're
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: not going to get into the business anyway.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: And I think it feeds that. And I think it's
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: the smart person who can try and put it into.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: Perspective and not. You know, like certainly Mick Jagger has
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: put it into perspective. He certainly had time to put
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: it into perspective. And his is, you know, a huge experience.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: But I think Paul McCartney, the same way, is very,
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: it seems, you know, considering what he's done, he's amazingly.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Grounded, I think.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. I mean, just to be not completely insane.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: When you're that famous for that many years.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Totally. the most famous.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: I think everyone has to have an ego and the
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: ego kind of gets you to the dance. But if,
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: I think if you're objective about it and if you're
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: smart about it, you realize that like serving the ego is, uh,
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: it's a fruitless effort. It's there's, that's not the way
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: to do it.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: No, I think, I agree.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: I think the way to do it is to eventually
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: transfer from I want all these people to like me too.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: I want to put all my energy into whatever it is,
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: the craft, whatever it is, and making it amazing. And
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: don't think about anything else like, oh, they're going to
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: love me for this. I think that poisons the well.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: I agree, and I think that's what I meant by
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: art just is. You just create art because you have to,
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: because you need to. But it's the ego that makes
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: it want to be liked, which is not– I don't
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: mean that's a good thing.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: I just mean that's– It gets you to the dance. Yeah.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Without ego, without wanting that, and most people who start
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: out in it, they start out from a place of
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: being an outcast and feeling like they don't get enough attention.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: So me too.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: And then you decide, oh, this will get me way
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: more attention that I've ever had in my life. It'll
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: fill that hole.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: Fill that hole. But it never does.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Never does. But I think once you become centered or
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: grounded in this experience, then your focus should not be
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: on you and attention. All of your energy should be
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: into what you're doing, whether it's making songs or writing
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: jokes and performing them, whatever it is. It's like. Then
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: it becomes, okay, now the new task with all this
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: energy is just let me do the best I can
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: with whatever this thing is that I'm doing.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: I agree.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: I think like the first, I always say the first
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: couple of years when it first hit for me, I.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Thought it was all about me. And then I realized
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: it was all about the audience, all about the fans.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Was Jessie's Girl your first big hit?
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: Um, I had had one when I first came over
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: here in 72 from Australia. I had a song called
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: Speak to the Sky that was, it got me the
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: deal over here. It was the first hit solo hit
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: I'd had in Australia. And it was, um, like number 10. Oh,
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: it got to number 10 over here and was a
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: hit in Canada, but it was, it was kind of
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: a weird country, you know, Holy Roller kind of song.
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: I wrote it for my mom and, um, Oh, that's cool.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: Very different than, you know, what I became known for.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: But it was, that was kind of the first hit.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: And then they kind of, they managed, I started getting
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: picked up by teen magazines, which I'd never seen before.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: In Australia, they didn't have them. They had one music paper,
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: and that was it. And they're asking me, you know,
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: I'm doing all these interviews, music interviews, and I look
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: at the finished article, and it's like, you know, cuddle
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: up with Rick.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: You know? Yeah. Is Rick too tall to love? I'm like,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: what the fuck is this? This is not what we
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: talked about.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: I talked about, you know, yeah, I come over here.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: I'm a songwriter and I want to, you know, all this.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: Kind of stuff. What is this?
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: So I started, you know, my ego got the better
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: of me and I started going, well, I'm, you know,
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: I'm getting noticed in America.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: It's a big apple, you know. So I'm like, should I?
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: Kind of lean into this, I guess, you know, because
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: I'm getting a lot of press. So I did for
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: a little while and it was going nowhere. I wasn't
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: writing the music that, you know, I was writing songs
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: about a guy that committed suicide, writing songs about a
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: woman that was trying to decide if she should leave
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: her husband because he's cheating on her and.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: They're going, where's Cherish? Where's, doesn't somebody want to be wanted?
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: We're giving him all this press, you know, and there's no,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: there's no hits here after Speak to the Disguise.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: So, I eventually left my managers who were kind of
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: pushing me in that direction, which was a drag because
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: I loved one of the guys was Steve Binder, who
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: actually I.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Still talk to, who was the director of the Elvis special,
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: you know, the comeback special. Oh.
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: And I met Elvis on a plane once, and I said,
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: you know, my manager, Steve Binder, and he goes.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: I love Steve.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: You met Elvis on a plane?
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, going back to Australia because I was having–
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: Trouble with getting a visa here. I had to prove
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: I wasn't putting an American out of work, right?
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: That was their phrase.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: Who was president back then in America? What year was this?
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: It was 71, 72, 73. So that was post-Nixon?
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: Was that Lyndon Johnson? Or was that Nixon? When did
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: Nixon get kicked out?
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: Was it still Nixon?
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: When was Watergate?
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Watergate was when I was over here. 74?
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: So it was Nixon.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: 70, yeah.
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I had to prove, you know, and we're
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: taking all these, like, it was really weird. We're taking
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: these scrapbooks full of these crappy stories from the teen magazines.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Cuddle up with Rick.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, look here. Mr.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: President.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: Look how much press I'm getting, you know. An American,
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: this is not going to put an American out of work. Anyway,
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: so the plane stopped at Hawaii to refuel because they
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: couldn't go all the way to Australia back then. And
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: they get on the plane, and I walk in, and
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: there's Elvis sitting right there. I was in the back
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: of the bus back then. Elvis was sitting in the
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: first class.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: He looked great.
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: He was skinny, jet black hair. His skin looked great,
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: powder blue suit on. I wasn't a fan really back
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: then because I was more into the British invasion and everything.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: They said, oh, that's Elvis. That's cool.
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: So I go back there, and I had a girlfriend
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: in Australia at the time who was a giant Elvis fan.
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: So he did a thing I've never seen anybody do.
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: Now when you get in a plane and you see
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: a celeb that got, like, a hood on and the glasses,
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: and they're, like, they're looking down. He got up before
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: the plane landed in Hawaii and walked back signing autographs
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: and taking photos with.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: All the people in the plane.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: And he got to me, and I went, hey, um.
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: Steve Binder, my manager, because I know him and Steve
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: got along really well on the Elvis special because the
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: Colonel wanted it to be Elvis in a Christmas sweater
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: singing Christmas songs. And Steve walked into the dressing room
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: one time and it was Elvis.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: Playing with his buddies. And he goes, I'm going to
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: put that on film, which became him jamming in the
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: boxing ring. And the colonel's going, absolutely not. Absolutely not.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: We're keeping it, you know, a family thing. And so
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: they butted heads like crazy. But Elvis was on Steve's side.
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: And for once, Elvis took, yeah, I want to do this.
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: You know, he didn't go with what the colonel said.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: So I know he got along really well with Steve.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: So anyway, I'd heard that before I met him. And
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: I said, yeah, I love Steve. He's a great guy.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: And I said, would you sign this to Allison, who
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: was my girlfriend at the time? And he signed it.
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: And I had my little tape recorder that recorded all
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: my songs. And I put the autograph in there and
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: went through Australian Customs. And they saw my tape recorder
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: and said, oh, we're going to see what's in this, mate.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Might be porn in here. Who knows? So they took
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: it and came back and the Elvis autograph was gone.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: They stole your Elvis autograph? These motherfuckers.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: I know. Don't trust them. They're bastards.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: Oh, back in the day, too. They didn't have any
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: cameras on them.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: No, exactly right. I know.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Dirty people. Oh, that must have been so wild. His
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: relationship with the colonel was so creepy. That movie was fantastic.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: What did Tom Hanks kill it as the colonel?
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: It was just like, what a creepy relationship.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: And it's so common for whatever reason for these really
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: talented people. To have some person managing them, this like
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: fucking creepy character.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Clueless. Yeah. Weird.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Enabling them.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: The Beatles were rare in the respect that they had Epstein, Epstein,
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: however you pronounce his name, Brian Epstein, that was a
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: smart guy and on the cusp of like pop really
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: happening and did good things with them, you know, cleaned
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: them up, told them, you know, bow and the music
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: was the music but he was one of the really
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: few that really I don't think he knew what he
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: was doing but he had a good intent and so
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: he found ways to make you know do the right
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: thing but I've never met anyone or read anything that
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: the colonel wasn't a friggin jerk you know yeah I.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: Just don't understand how Elvis had no one who was
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: capable of separating him from the colonel.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah well I if anyone could have Steve Bender could have, but,
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: but he, I think he, you know, he felt secure
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: around the Colonel.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, there's certain people that, especially cause Elvis had
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: a pill problem, right? So it was probably, he was
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: his enabler.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: He was, you know, shielded everybody from him, kept him
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: safe and, Kept him isolated.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It was great. How was the performance? You know,
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: when he was overweight. Yeah.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: It was great, man. You were great. One of my
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: favorite performances of his was when he was really fat,
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: when he was singing in Vegas. And he sounds like
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: he's mumbling. And then what is the song that, do
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: you remember the song, Jamie? We've played it before. But
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: once he starts belting out the song, you're like, my God,
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: he's good.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: Oh. On the piano. He's on the piano.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: What is it?
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: Unchained Melody.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: Unchained Melody. My God, it's good.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: And you just realize, like, you see him, and the
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: way he's talking, he's clearly high as a kite. There's
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: something wrong. He's so fat. It's, like, so sweaty, and
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: he looks terrible. You're like, oh, my God, poor Elvis.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: What's wrong with him? And then you hear him sing.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: You see him sing, and it all goes away. You're like,
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: who fucking cares? Who cares? My God, that's magic. That's magic.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: That is live performance, like personified. There's something about the
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: magic of an insanely talented person performing live, and that
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: one Elvis song was that.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: And it came through all the drug use and everything. Yeah,
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: it's pretty amazing. I mean, I know exactly the thing
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: you're talking about.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, here it is. I can't play it.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: It's getting harder and harder and harder.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we keep getting kicked off of YouTube.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: You can't play the music?
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: We can't. copyright strikes and shit, you know, which is
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: unfortunate because, like, look how fat he is. Poor guy.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: And that's when he was performing. Was that when he
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: was living in Vegas?
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: Oh, I think it was probably, I think it might
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: have been after that, but he was doing the Vegas
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: things right to pay for the colonel's gambling debts.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't that nuts?
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Well, I bet it also was probably easier for him, too,
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: to not have to go anywhere.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he didn't like planes. I heard that. 1977.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: Wow. So that's right before he died, right? Didn't he
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: die in like 78? When did he die?
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's... Yeah, I know where I was
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: when he died. Wait, what day did I say that was? No,
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: it was two months before he died.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: Two months before he died. He died on August 16th, 1977. Wow.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: And how old was he, like 40?
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: 42.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: 42.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Isn't that insane? That's crazy, isn't it?
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: And look at you. Keep on trucking, dog. What do
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: you do to stay healthy?
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: I work out every day, or six days a week.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: I eat well. My dad died early.
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: My dad died when he was, well, he died twice, actually.
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: He died when he was 51, and they brought him back.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: And he had an ulcer. on his.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: Major artery in his stomach. And he was worried about it,
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: and he thought it was cancer, and so he didn't
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: want to go to the doctor.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: He didn't want to hear the bad news. He thought
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: what you don't know.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: And he eventually, I was at home actually when he
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: passed out, and they took him into the hospital, and
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: he's in bed, and the.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: Ulcer bursts, and he starts bleeding. blood coming out of it.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: Luckily there was a doctor just down a couple of
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: beds down. They rushed him into emergency. But he did
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: die and his heart stopped and they took 15 minutes
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: to get it going again.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: Oh my God.
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: And he came back you know he's a real in
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: charge guy. Just really loving really amazing person. He came
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: back as basically a five year old.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: Oh wow.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: And I remember sitting in the backyard trying to help
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: him remember who was who in his life. And he'd go,
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: so Michelle is married to George. No, no, George, Michelle
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: is George's daughter. He's married to Nan. He'd go, okay,
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: so Nan is the daughter. No, and it was just,
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: it was heartbreaking trying to get him to remember his
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: old friends. And so I, that stuck with me because
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: he hadn't, paid attention to it. And so I'm kind
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: of the opposite now. I do pre-nuvo, I do blood draws.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: What's pre-nuvo?
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: Pre-nuvo is a body scan, MRI body scan. I mean,
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: you were asking about, you know, just how I stay
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: in shape, but this is all part of it, is
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: knowing what is going on inside you, you know, and
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: not ignoring anything.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: Which is not to say, you know, I won't sip
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: off a curb and get hit by a bus one day. But,
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: you know, you do what you can, as you know.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah.
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: I have a blood draw as soon as I get home, actually,
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: just to keep an eye on things. Anyway, so he
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: didn't pay attention, and that kind of stayed with me.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: And so I started focusing on what I ate.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: I started being aware that earlier, maybe than normal, that,
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: you know, there is a use by a date, you know.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So I guess I started running. Running just happened
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: to be a new thing in the early 70s, so
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: I started that.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: And I'd always loved running. The only thing I was
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: good at at school was actually was running in English.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: And so I started running, and that kind of got
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: me into the whole, well, if you're running, then you
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: maybe may as well eat well and You want to
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: get some upper body strength and work out. So I
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: just started doing it. And I've run all my life
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: until about 15 years ago when my knees suddenly said, no,
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: we're not going to do that anymore.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: That's pretty good.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: Find something else.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: To get that long running is pretty incredible.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was great. I did love running.
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: Like on the tour bus, we'd I'd get up at
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: the tour bus and wherever we were, I'd just put
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: on running clothes and start running. I'd run 20 minutes
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: one way, 20 minutes back.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: Sometimes I'd go into some pretty weird areas, you know,
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: of a city and start worrying about who was around.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: But it.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: Was, you know, a great way to stay in shape.
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: We actually came off the road in better shape than
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: we went on. We'd go to gyms and work out
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: and I wasn't a big druggie or alcohol guy back then,
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: and so that was what I did with my time off,
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: was stay in shape and watch what I eat. And
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: my wife's an amazing chef, and we always eat real clean, organic.
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: And I have, you know, she turned me on to
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: skin routine back when I was kind of too embarrassed
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: to tell my band members that I took care of
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: my skin.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: They'd call me a freak, you know.
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: I thought skin was, you know, I thought, well, guys'
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: skin is different from women's skin. You know, we've got whiskers,
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: we don't need all that stuff. But skin is skin.
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: And she got me, my wife, she got me and
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: my girlfriend then, she got me into, you know, taking
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: care of my skin.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: And I still do that. I still take care of
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: my skin.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: And I'm actually in a trial with a company called
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: Bemi that is really unique. And I've been in the
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: trial for four years.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: With this stuff. where they take a.
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: Sample of your cells from behind your ear, and they
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: grow your cells, and they pull the growth serum from
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: that and put it into something that you put back.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: On your face.
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: Have you heard of SkinMedica has one, only they.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: Use baby foreskins.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: Baby foreskins, for real?
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, newborn foreskins.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what they get the growth factors from.
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: But this is your own growth factor, so you're putting
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: that back on your own body, back on your face.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: It's been pretty amazing.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: I would prefer your method.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not into baby foreskins on my face. I
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: know they're doing it with different stem cells. They're doing
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: it with, what they do is they do microneedling. And
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: so they kind of like microneedle your whole face, and
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: then they use exosomes, and they also use something called
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: mu cells, which is the latest and greatest version of it.
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: Right, but that's outside stuff. The BEMI stuff is your
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: own cells, which is pretty great. I think that's a difference.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: I think the thing that's different is that with your
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: own cells, as you get older, they're just not as good.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: Oh, you think the younger ones work?
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: Well, they certainly seem to, like Mu cells in particular,
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: which is the newest iteration of stem cell technology, seems
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: to work much better than cells that they used to
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: get from either fat. They used to get it from
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: your fat.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: Or they used to get it from bone marrow.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've had the bone marrow stem cell done. I
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: had that injected into my hips. Mm-hmm. It works.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, it definitely works. It just doesn't work as well,
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: these mu cells. I mean, there's people that are going
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: over to Saudi Arabia and doing it in Dubai. That's right.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: It's always, it's never here, man. I've gotten a reginokine,
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: an orthokine. Mm-hmm.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: I've done reginokine.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Because Colby used to have to go to Germany
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: for it, right? Right.
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: And now they've bypassed the law somehow. And so I
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: get that pretty regularly. Well, not regularly because it lasts
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: a couple of years, but I'm due for it now
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: in my shoulders because, you know, that's.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: Lifting weights.
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: You know, no matter what, how heavy you go, you know,
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: as you get.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: Older, the wear just happens.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: How long are you in town for?
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: I'm leaving actually after this.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay. I was going to send you down. This
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: is a great clinic that my friend owns. in Austin
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: called Ways to Well. And they do all the latest
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: and greatest, like state-of-the-art, all the latest and greatest stem
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: cell technology. They have hyperbaric chambers, red light therapy, all this.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, everything that's state-of-the-art they have.
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: I wish I'd known that you had a bunch of injuries.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: I would have had you come in there.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: I'd make a trip back to check that out.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: Russell Crowe comes down all the time. He comes down
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: specifically just for that.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: So they do... Red Light.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, everything.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: Hyperbaric. I've done hyperbaric.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: You should get one. You should get one at your house.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: It's a fucking game changer. Yes. There was a study
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: out of a university in Israel. They did these.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: They did... The protocol is 60 sessions of 90 minutes
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: over 90 days. And they show that it lengthens your telomeres.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: It's equivalent to a 20-year difference in biological age.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: So I read that to improve.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: It feels different. Like when you do it, you feel better.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: Do you have one at home?
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: Yes, I do. And if you have like a whoop
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: strap or an aura ring or anything like that, it'll
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: show that you've had an incredible recovery. It'll like specifically
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: show from one session. You have an amazing recovery today,
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: and it's specifically because of this hyper-oxygen-saturated environment of the
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: hyperbaric chamber.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: I wonder if that'll help me sleep. I have trouble sleeping.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: Do you? I have trouble sleeping, yeah.
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: Why do you have trouble sleeping? What's going on?
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I wake up.
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: You know, every couple of hours and haven't been able
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: to sleep all the way through for quite a.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: While, actually.
• 51:39
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  Speaker 2: That's BetterHelp.com slash J-R-E. Do you ever do sauna before
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  Speaker 2: you go to bed? Do you do sauna at all?
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: Do you do that?
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: Not a lot, no.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's another one. There was a study out of
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: Finland that followed.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: No, no, no.
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: Red light. The thing about red light is like infrared.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: I don't think there's anything wrong with it. I think
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: it's good for you for sure. But there's not robust
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: studies on it like there is with the dry sauna.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: So the Finnish have been using dry saunas forever. And
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: they did a study over 20 years with quite a
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: large sample group. And they found that the people that
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: use the sauna four times per week for 20 minutes
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: are had a 40% decrease in all-cause mortality. 40% less strokes, cancer,
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: heart attacks, everything. And it's because of heat shock proteins
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: that your body develops when you're exposed to that. It
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: also has an effect of increasing your endurance because it's
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: essentially like static cardio. Because as you're sitting there in
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: that heat, your heart beats faster. And it actually literally
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: increases your cardiovascular output.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: It's incredible. And one of the ways that they use
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: it is contrast therapy. So what they do is they'll
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: go in the sauna for 20 minutes and then they
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: usually have their saunas by a lake and they'll like
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: go in the cold water of the lake and then
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: back into the sauna. And so what I do is
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: I have a cold plunge. So I have a cold
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: plunge just right next to my sauna and I go
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: back 34 degrees. And so I go back and forth.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: It seems cold, but I'm so used to it. It's
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: not cold anymore. I mean, it is cold, no doubt
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: about it, but I'm so used to it. I just
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: climb right in and it's nothing. In the beginning, I
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: was like, I can't do this. This is crazy. I
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: think the first time I did it, I did it
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: for like a minute. I was like, this sucks so hard.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: I got to get out of this thing. And then
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: eventually I got to the point where I do three
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: minutes like it's nothing. It's easy.
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: But that's also incredible, not just for your body, but
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: You don't want to do it after workout. So one
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: of the things about after workout is it's not good.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: It's not terrible for you, but it's not good in
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: that it decreases hypertrophy, which is like increasing muscle size,
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: because a lot of that is dependent upon the inflammation
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: that happens during exercise. So when you exercise and you
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: break down your tissue, the strength comes because your body
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: heals after the exercise.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: So you blunt a little of that recovery by getting
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: in the cold right after exercise. So the way I
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: do it is I get in the cold before I exercise.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: So the first thing in the morning, I hop in
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: that thing. Every day? Yeah. I do three minutes. And
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: then after I do three minutes, then I start my workout.
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: And the first thing I do is a series of
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: mobility exercises. I usually do those right after I get out,
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: right outside, right after I get out. I do these
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: like swings and twists and all these different things. these
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: like golf swings, and it's all just loosening the body
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: up and getting my heart rate up and warming my
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: body up since it's been cooled down. And then I
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: start my strength workout. So I do my workout after that.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: And then after I'm done with my workout, then I
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: get in the sauna.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: It's awesome. You feel so much better. First of all,
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: just the cold, when you get out of that cold,
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: your endorphins are flying. Your norepinephrine spikes, your dopamine spikes.
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: You feel fucking amazing. It's worth it just for that.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: It's worth it just for that. If you could sell
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: a pill that makes you feel as good as I
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: feel when I get out of that cold plunge, that
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: shit would be on every shelf. Yeah, without the cold plunge.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: But it's available. You just do it. And also it–
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: It gives you a certain amount of mental toughness. That's
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: a bad.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I get that.
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: The discipline of it.
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: Perseverance. There's like there's a thing where you don't want
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: to do it, but you do it. And when you
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: can just train your mind to just do things you
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: don't want to do routinely all the time.
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: That's what I do with working out. I hate walking
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: into a gym and I love walking out.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. Everybody feels the same way. And that's so
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: many people. It's the daunting task is the first few steps.
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: It's just so hard to get going. But once you
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: get going, then it's not hard at all.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. It becomes the good habit, you know,
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: rather than.
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: And you make it, you know, I have a gym.
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: I've had a gym at home for a while, but
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: I prefer going to a gym.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: So I work out.
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: But I have it close by, so I don't have
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: an excuse, you know, to, ah, it's late, you know.
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: Right, right, right.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, I get all that. I do.
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: And being on stage, when you said the endorphin hit,
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: I get that on there, too.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: For sure. Oh, for sure.
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: Like, wow.
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah. The thing is, like, you can't live on that. Like,
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: you can't perform every day just to feel better. You
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: know what I mean? Well, you can, I guess, if
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: you're on tour. But it's nice to have that in
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: your actual life as well as your performing life.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: No, I get it. I get it.
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: Are you a supplement guy? Do you take supplements?
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I do actually. I've been through a lot of
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: different ones. But right now I'm doing IM8. Is it IM8?
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: It's the one all in one. Oh, okay. Yeah.
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: And I do creatine before a workout and the protein after.
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: Creatine is actually good just for mental benefits. Creatine increases
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: cognitive performance, and it's really good if you're tired. One
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: of the studies they've shown is that people that have
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: sleep deficit, like if you sleep deprived, one of the
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: very best things for mental performance is creatine.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: So you take it before you work out.
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: It's good for just overall metabolic health, but taking it
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: just as a regular part of your day, pre or
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: post workout, doesn't matter. Just taking it as a regular
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: part of your day will increase your mental performance. But
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: like if I'm flying and if I have to go
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: somewhere and I'm on the road and I might be tired,
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: I bring, I take it every day anyway, but I
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: bring it with me everywhere. And I like routinely, if
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: I'm tired and I know I'm going to be tired,
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: I take creatine, I can soar through.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: As an instant, you feel it right away?
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: It completely mitigates any of the sleep deficit, brain fog.
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: How much do you take? I take 10 milligrams twice
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: a day, or 10 grams rather, twice a day. So
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: I take 10 grams in the morning and I take
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: 10 grams at night. And how much protein do you do?
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: Me?
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: I eat mostly protein. My diet is like 90% meat.
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: That's mostly what I eat.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I eat meat and fermented vegetables. I'll fuck around
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: and have a sandwich or a slice of pizza or
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: some pasta. Like last night I had chicken parmesan. It
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: was great. But most of my diet, like 80% to
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: 90% is meat.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: I can't eat chicken.
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: That's off the menu for me.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: Why? I had chickens when I was a kid that
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: I named, and then we ate them.
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: I have chickens now, and I still eat them. I
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: don't eat my chickens. My chickens are pets. They're wandering
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: around the yard. I talk to them. I'm like, hey, ladies.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: That's what we used to do.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: Only my dad, every Sunday, and I was like a kid. Oh,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: I want to chop his head off, Dad. And he'd
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: throw it, and it would like flap around. And then
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: he'd take them, and we had this laundry room, and
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: he'd throw it in the hot water in the laundry
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: room to get the feathers would come out easier. And
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: that smell, I walked into a group dinner somewhere, and
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: they were having chicken. And that smell came back to
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: me when I was about 30, and I have not
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: been able to touch chicken ever since.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: I have no problem eating chicken.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: I know. It would be much easier for me. I
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: eat turkey, which is weird because it's not much different, right?
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: It's just a little stupider. But just the thought of chicken,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: I just can't.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: You think turkeys are stupider than chickens?
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: They're the ones that are. They'll drown if they look
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: up at the rain, and the rain will drown them. Really? Oh,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: they're stupid, man.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: Well, they're very cautious, and they have very good eyesight.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: I've turkey hunted before. Oh, really?
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, wild turkeys may be different from, you know.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: I'm sure.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: Aren't they?
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm sure. I mean, if they're wild, they're probably
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: a lot smarter. Yeah, well, they have to be to
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: stay alive.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of them in my neighborhood, actually. But
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: they see really well. You can't move at all if
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: you're turkey hunting. You have to be very cautious.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: They have some of the best eyesight of any wild animal.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: That's why you see guys when they turkey hunt, they
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: have these crazy ghillie suits where they're completely covered. And
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: they sit with their back to a tree where they're
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: completely motionless. And they usually have a fake turkey, like
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: a turkey decoy, sitting out there. And they make noises like....
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: I'd probably rather not go turkey hunting if that's.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: What I got to do.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: You'd probably like to go turkey hunting?
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: I'd probably not go turkey hunting. If I had to
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: sit there and go.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you have like a little box and I have
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: this little box and it has like, it's almost like
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: a fiddle.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: And it makes a turkey noise? Yeah. And you've done that?
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've only done it once. The thing about it
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: is my thought was we hunted for a few days
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: for one meal. And I'm like, I would rather go
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: deer hunting or elk hunting. You've got a week's worth.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: Months and months of food. And it's better food. I'd
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: way rather eat elk than I would turkey. There's nothing
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: wrong with wild turkey, and I certainly would do it again.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: It's just not what I prefer. I prefer mammals. I
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: eat mammals. I think they're better for you. They're more nutrient-dense.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: There's a lot more iron and a lot more amino acids.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: Have you had kangaroos?
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: I have had kangaroo, I think. I think I had
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: it when I was in Australia. Let me make sure
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: I did.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: I've had ostrich a bunch of times.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: Emu.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: I haven't had emu. God, I don't know if I've
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: had kangaroo. It was so long ago, the last time
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: I was in Australia. Maybe I did.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: That's gamey.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: But I have some friends that live over there, and
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: they've had it a bunch of times. There's an infestation.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: Australia is crazy how many kangaroos.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: It's got more camels in Australia now than there are
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: in any of the Arab states.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: That's nuts. But kangaroos, for sure. And they have rabbit infestations. Yeah.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: Except for the kangaroos, everything's imported. The kangaroos are like,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: You know, you've seen the videos of them on the
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: golf course.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: They come up and stare at you while you're about
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: to whack a ball. It's freaking hilarious.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: Well, I've seen these videos of these fields where you have, like,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: thousands of kangaroos bouncing down these fields.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: It's a wild look.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: They have so many wild animals in Australia. I didn't
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: appreciate it when I lived there, but it's pretty freaky.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: Captain Cook, who supposedly discovered Australia, brought back a platypus
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: to England. They thought it was– they thought it's stitched
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: together from three different animals because it had a duck bill,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: a body like a beaver– no, a body like a– yeah,
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: I guess like a beaver.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: Like a beaver. And webbed feet. Yeah. And it laid eggs.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: And they thought, oh, this is not a real animal.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: Well, it doesn't seem like a real animal.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: It's such a strange– Everything kills you in Australia.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: I have a good buddy, my friend Adam Greentree. He
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: lives there. And it's– there's so many weird things they've
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: done in Australia by bringing in invasive animals to deal.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: Cane toads?
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. They brought in a bunch of cats to deal
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: with a bunch of different animals and then the cats
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: wind up killing all the native stuff.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: To bring something in for that. Yeah.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: It's crazy.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the cane toads where they brought in to get
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: rid of the rats in the cane fields and now
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: they're the problem.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. They're like everywhere. They did that with rabbits.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: Rabbits, the English brought the rabbits in because they wanted,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: you know, for food and they're, frigging everywhere now.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Australia is very strange in that a giant percentage
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: of the animals that are there are completely invasive.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: The Asian water buffaloes they have.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: Do they?
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the North Territory. Yeah.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: Well, the ones that kill you are all the local ones.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: Well, those water buffaloes will kill you too.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: They're huge. But they're massive and they're everywhere. And, you know,
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: the only way they die is by people hunting them.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: These are just.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: They've got a couple of kangaroos too. They're just, you know,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, you'd often see kangaroos lying on the side
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: of the road out in the bush because if you
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: get hit by a car, it would demolish your car.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: Some of them are huge.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: And you'd have to see the guy defending his dog
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: with the.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we punched it. He's lucky that kangaroo didn't fuck
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: him up.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: I know. The red kangaroos can stand on their tails,
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: and with their back legs, they can disembowel a guy.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: Those are the big ones, right? Some of those get
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: like six feet tall.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what do they say? They're like deer that went
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: to prison.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: That's a good way to describe it. Do you live
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: in America now?
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: What's that?
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: You live in America now?
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a citizen.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: I became a citizen a bunch of years ago because—
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: I love this country because I wanted to be available
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: for jury duty.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: Have you done that yet?
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I have, actually.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: That must have been weird for people. You know, you're
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: getting tried. Is that fucking Rick Springfield? Holy shit, dude,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: I'm a fan. Please make me not guilty.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, don't convict me. I'm a fan. I didn't get
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: selected because I was actually in a lawsuit at the
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: time with this woman who claimed... that I hit her with,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: we called it butt gate.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: I'd hit her with my ass, because I go in
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: the audience sometimes, and she said I'd hit her with
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: my butt, and she'd fallen, and I'd hurt her brain
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: or something.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: So it was obviously bullshit.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: So they called me back twice to New Jersey to testify,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: because I wasn't going to go down, you know, pay
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: this woman money to go away. I was going to
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: fight her.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: How much did she want?
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: And she didn't have a figure because it didn't get
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: that far. It was still to find out who would
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: win the case, first of all. And so, yeah, it
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: was like, what was I talking about?
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: No, I've totally lost. See, it's all this space shit. Oh,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: butt gate.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: This room is distracting.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: It's very distracting.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: It's probably not the best thing for conversations.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: I love the whole UFO thing, man. Thank you. Anyway,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: I forget what I was talking about.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: You had to go back.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I had to go back, and it was— So that's.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: How you got out of jury duty.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: What's that?
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: You were talking about jury duty.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right. Oh, that's right. I was called up for jury. See? Creature.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: You're used to this room.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm used to this room, too.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: And I was called up for jury duty, and they said,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: was there any reason you wouldn't?
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: You would be, you know, not eligible for this.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: And I said, oh, I just got called up. I mean,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: I just got in a lawsuit myself and I think
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: it's all bullshit. And they said, you're out of here.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: So it was great. It was good timing.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: But no, that's not the reason I became a citizen.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: I make that, that's a joke. I just, I mean, I, it's.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: Actually because if I go first or if my wife
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: goes first, I'd get screwed by taxes.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: You mean die first? Is that what you mean?
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. We're always saying, you know, I'm going to
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: go first. I don't want to be the one left.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's funny. Well, the last thing I'm worried about
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: if she goes first or I go first is taxes.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I know.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: But, I mean, no, that's not why we talk about it.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: But that's why I became a citizen was for the
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: tax thing.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: But, yeah, no.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: What year was that? When did you become a citizen?
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: Um. 10 years ago, 15 years ago.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: And were you living over here the entire time?
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: I've been here since 72. I mean, except for the.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: Trips back, you know, to meet Elvis on the plane.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: It was, yeah, I've been here, you know, since 72,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: basically living here.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: Just for your career.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean, this is my life. My family's here.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: My friends are here. My life is here. Now. Yeah.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: I used to go back to Australia until my mom died.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: My mom lived till she was 96.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: So I'm hoping some of those genetics are in there.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: I am curious to see how long Mick can keep crackin'.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: Because how.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: Old is he now? I'm just trying to see how
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: long Keith can keep. Right.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: That's the funny one, right? Because Keith is not doing
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: any of the things that Mick is doing. He's still shredding.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: He was shredding.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: Drinking beer.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: Drinking beer, smoking cigarettes, doing acid.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: I did a movie with, which we shall not name,
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: but it was with his girlfriend, who was Patty.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: Hanson at the time. It was his girlfriend at the time.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: She's his wife now.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: And we got along really well, right? And so Keith
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: came down to the set to find out what was
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: going on with this Springfield guy and his girlfriend. And
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: he was, he looked like fucking Dracula, man. It was
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: like 83 or something. And we took photos and he
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: looked so bizarre.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: And yet here he is.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: Yep, here he's still cooking. Everyone's going, yeah, it's got
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: to be this year he'll be gone. No. And all these,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: you know, Bowie's gone. My God, that one hurt. Bowie gone. Yeah.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: That was a tough one.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: But, you know, he was a lifelong smoker and he
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: was okay, you know.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: It's amazing. But, I mean, it's got to, something's got
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: to be said for the love of what you do
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: and that energy keeping you alive and the fact that
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: there's still, like I said, the Circuit of the Americas
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: show is over 100,000 people. I mean, they're still drawing
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: giant crowds.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: Who is that now?
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: The Stones.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: Stones, yeah.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: The Circuit of the Americas is the local racetrack.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: So Circuit of the Americas is where they do Formula One.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: It's this huge racetrack. And they also have a giant
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: theater out there, amphitheater. And then they do concerts out
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: there where they have this massive concert venue. Like for
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: huge acts. Like Post Malone was there. It was like 100,000.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: Eminem was there. It's just a giant performance theater. But
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: seeing the Stones there and seeing Keith there. If he
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: gets to do that all the time, just the energy
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: from that is probably what's sustaining that guy.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: I think it's really, really important for your longevity that
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: you love what you do. I think that has been
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: a big driver for me, and I've seen it in
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: other people. Certainly in someone like Mick Jagger, he admits.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: He still loves the roar of the crowd. So many people....
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: Like I have friends who did a job because the
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: retirement was good. And I get that, but they don't
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: love the job. It's just something that they do. We're
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: fortunate that we do something that we love.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: Insanely fortunate.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: And it's very rare.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's a lot of luck. It really is
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: a lot of luck. And I don't deny that. It's
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: luck with everybody when they're lucky enough to.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: Don't you see a shooting star up there?
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: Yes, you did.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's freaky. Sorry.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: I should have told you. I should have told you
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: that it does that. I've had a lot of people
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: just go, what's going on? Yeah, we have shooting stars
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: on our ceiling.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's freaky. Yeah.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a lot of luck, but it's
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: also working really hard to make that luck so that
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: if luck does happen, you're ready for it.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: Exactly right.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: And being able to capitalize on that luck. So many
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: people get so terrified of the unknown and the possibility
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: of success that the anxiety of whatever it is, they can't.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: handle it and they'd rather just live a simple life
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: and not have the pressure.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: Fear of success is a real thing.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: It's a real thing. It's a real thing. Fear of
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: success and, and maybe even more fear of failing to
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: succeed when you're attempting to succeed.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: You know, that cripples people. Yeah.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: No, I get that totally.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: Um, and it does hurt when, when things don't go
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 3: your way, but, um, it still drives me, you know?
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: It's still, I mean, there's still things I want to do.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: And I think that's, you know, I mean, I love playing,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: but I do that.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: That's kind of my day job, you know? But the
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: outside extracurricular stuff is.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: What do you do extracurricularly?
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: I write.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: I've had a couple of novels out. I wrote my
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 3: own autobiography. I'm writing a book on just, you know,
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: what I've done with my life to, you know, be...
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 3: where I am, you know, health-wise and everything.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I do.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: And just, you know, there's all kinds of things on
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: the side that you can do. And I just.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: Love to write.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, I consider myself a writer really before anything.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: I only started performing because no one would do my songs.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: Fuck it, I'll do them.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: For real? That's crazy.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: I used to be in a band. If you go
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: on YouTube.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: And you look up Zoot, Z-O-O-T, and look up Eleanor Rigby.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: I was a guitar player in this band. It was
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: like a four-piece band. And I arranged this version of
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: Eleanor Rigby that was, to me now it sounds like
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: Black Sabbath, although I'd never heard Black Sabbath back then.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: But it's a lot of, like I.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 3: Did Billy Corgan's thing, and he was like focused on
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 3: this band because we were kind of like psychedelic before that.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: As that was just starting, you know? Oh, there it is, yeah.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: And then Beeb, he became part of, formed Little River Band, actually,
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: the bass player.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: What year is this?
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: And that was our singer. He passed away a few
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: years ago. But it was a great band. It was...
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: That's me. Look at you, dude.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: What year is this?
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: 69, 70. Wow.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: It was kind of very heavy.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: It was much heavier stuff than I'm doing now. Well,
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 3: maybe not now, but it was for, they'd been a
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 3: pop band and they dressed in pink and I'd been
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 3: in a band and my band split up because I
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: got to sing the single and the bass player was
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 3: so pissed off they didn't pick him that he broke
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 3: the band up. So I was a free agent and
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 3: they said, well, you want to join.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: Us because our guitar player's leaving. So I said, okay.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: So I wore the pink thing for a while and
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: I said, this has got to go. You couldn't deal
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: with pink?
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: This photo is horrible. So I said, I've got this
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: great idea. We'll get rid of the pink and we'll
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: do a photo of us looking over our shoulder totally naked,
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: like in our original pink suits, and we dump the
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: pink thing. But we'll have it high contrast so they
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: won't really see anything. But they printed the photo like
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: full on. Oh, there we are.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: So what was up with the pink thing?
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: They had a theme called Think Pink, Think Zoot. And
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: it was good for the little girls. It was like,
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: you know, yeah. I was so pissed at that album.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: That was the first album, the only album we did.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: And they cut out our heads to stick them. That
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: was before Photoshop. And they miscut my hair.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: You look like a granny haircut.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: Horrible. What a horrible album cover. One of the worst
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: ever made, I think.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: Well, at least you weren't wearing pink. But that was
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: such a weird choice. That was a part of the theme?
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: It was, yeah.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: It was.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: It was this guy in Australia that thought it would
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: be a great, and it caught on for a while.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: I find it very strange. Yeah, six months. It was
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: about a six-month, life of a six-month, and then everyone
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: got sick of it. So I said, we've got to
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: lose that.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 3: So we had this photo taken, and they printed it
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: in full color of our bare asses, and my mom lost.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: Her shit when she saw it. She goes, oh, Richard,
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: how could you do that? I said, no, Mom, it
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: was supposed to be like high contrast. You weren't supposed
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: to see all the creases and stuff. And you can
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: still see it. It's still online. The photo's still online.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: Oh, I've got to see that.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: I've signed it every now and then. I get to
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: sign one. Oh, that's funny. Be careful what you put online.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: Hardcore fans bring you that?
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: That's funny. They must know it. It probably bugs you, too.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: They want you to sign it. Oh, it's pretty bad.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: So I pushed them more, because Led Zeppelin was on
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: the horizon, and I pushed them more into the guitar.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: You know, I play guitar, and I wanted the guitar
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: to be kind of the center of the thing. So
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: I pushed them into a much heavier thing, and this
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: Eleanor Rigby was our first really big hit that we
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: had over there that I arranged, you know, it was like.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: That kind of thing.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 3: And we actually got a deal, we had a, he
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: and I were interested in this over here, but our
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 3: manager kind of screwed us by saying, oh, you're still
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 3: under contract here, which we weren't in Australia. Anyway, so
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 3: we split up, and I came over here, and Beeb
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: went on to form Little River Band, and this singer became.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: A TV star in Australia.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: So we all went on to other things, you know.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: God, you've had such a great run, man. You've done
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: so many different things.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I look back, and I guess I have. I
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 3: always thought I'd be a band guy, you know. And
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 3: when they.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: Split up, I said, oh, I'll just join another band.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: But I had this writer.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: Woman writer who was a big fan and she said
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 3: no you got to go solo I said I don't
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 3: want to go solo and she's no you got to
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 3: you got to go solo why did she say that
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 3: I don't know she just thought it was the next
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: step for me you know she thought getting back in
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 3: another band and being the guitar player was she said
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: I she thought I had more to offer, you know,
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: more going for me and.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: A better career if I went solo. So I released
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: this Speak to the Sky song that I wrote for
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: my mommy. It became a hit.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: And that got me the deal over here and, you know,
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 3: when they were signing everybody in the 70s.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: It was the weird time when you're the Zoot time. 1969,
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: such a strange time musically.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: It was changing pretty drastically.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I always point to the difference between
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: 59 and 69 as being like one of the most
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: radical changes in culture and music in all of human history.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: It's just such a strange, if you go like from
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: Buddy Holly to Jimi Hendrix, I mean, is there a
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: more radical transformation of rock and roll music than that time?
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: Like, there was something amazing. A lot of it was
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: the drugs, for sure. It was the whole psychedelic movement.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: It was the anti-war movement.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was definitely sociological. And I think music is
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 3: always driven by what happens.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: And it drives what happens, too.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know people think that it becomes a soundtrack
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 3: of what's happening.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: I think more.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 3: That society drives what's happening in music. And then they
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 3: adopt what the music is, you know. We got a tune,
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 3: But you're talking about 59 and you're talking about 69
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: where the changes.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: Happen, right? Well, that 10-year period is just massive.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: It is just an incredible transformation between the 50s and
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: the 60s.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was considered kind of disposable, you know. Oh,
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: that's the kids do that. And by 69, 70, it was....
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 3: Suddenly it had this more weight, you know, and people
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: got older and they were now almost adults and they
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 3: still liked it.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: Well, it's also that music has had a shelf life
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: that is above and beyond anything that came after it.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: Like stuff from like there's a lot of rock and
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: roll music from the 80s that just, you know, it
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: doesn't have the same feeling as like cashmere.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? like if you go and
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: listen to Whole Lotta Love, like to this day, when
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: Whole Lotta Love comes on, I'm like, oh, turn that up.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: They were the originators of that. I mean, they would really.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 3: Push that whole, his idea to get the kind of
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 3: the bluesy singer and use the blues riffs and that was,
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: it was all his idea and it was so friggin'
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 3: unique and And like he wanted Terry Reid.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: You know Terry, familiar with Terry Reid?
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 3: He's a great English singer. I think he's passed now.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 3: I hope I'm not wrong in.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: Saying that because I hate it when they say, oh,
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: Rick Springfield's dead. You know, you look up someone, the
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: first line that comes up on Google is, is so-and-so dead? Right, right. Anybody.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: Especially when you get older.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: Yep, yep, yep. And– Yeah, so it was amazing.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 3: Terry Reid had this great voice, but he was going
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 3: to actually tour with the Stones. And Jimmy Page asked
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 3: him if he'd be the singer in Led Zeppelin.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: He said, I can't. I've got this gig coming up
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: with the Stones. But I know this guy. There's this
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: guy down in this club. And it was frigging Robert
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: Plant and John Bonham in the same band.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: In a pub band. And Jimmy Page walks in and
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: he goes, they might be the right ones. How amazing.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 3: I mean, Bonham, one of the, you know, just a
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 3: unique feel. He wasn't just a drummer. He was a,
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 3: just an incredible, sonically he was different and the sound
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 3: of his drums, what he did with them was unique.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: His feel was just so laid back but so right
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 3: on and it was just in the same band as
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 3: Plant and it was like.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: That is crazy.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 3: Like a little club band and I, and you were saying,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 3: you know, music has more weight, had more, certain music
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 3: has more weight and I think England has always amazed
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 3: me because this little tiny friggin' island, the Beatles, the Stones,
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 3: Led Zeppelin, the Who, the Kinks. Yeah, I mean, well,
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 3: Clapton actually was Canadian.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: Was he really?
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was born in Canada.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: Oh, I thought he was from England.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: Or he had Canadian parents or something.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: He wasn't from England?
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: I bet he is, right? I like it when you...
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: He was born there, yes. What? He was born in
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: the UK in 1935. Canadian parents, right? Let's see. Am
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: I right on that? I'm right on that, aren't I? Eh? Eh. Eh?
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: Born to Canadian soldier from.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: Montreal, Quebec.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: Anyway, but the little island that had all these amazing bands. Incredible.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: And I think it's because everyone wanted to conquer Britain.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: The Romans, the Vikings.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 3: They all came in, the Germans, they all came in
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 3: and spread their seed. First thing they did was, you know,
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: have sex. And I think all that came together, and
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 3: I think that's a lot of reason there are so
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: many great bands, is it's a collection of all this
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 3: genetic material from, you know, from Europe and all around.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: And the Romans, I mean, look what they did.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: But it is interesting how Europe, if you look at it,
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: the UK uniquely contributed to music.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: Totally.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: As opposed to all those other countries. Obviously, their English speaking,
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: which helps how it spreads the word. But it's kind
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: of amazing how much of an impact they had on America.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 3: And how much, how long it didn't have an impact.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 3: You know, I mean, it was, it was, and it
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: was because it was bottled up for so long. I
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 3: think that it exploded so much.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: With the Beatles. It was never, it never crossed the Atlantic.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: It was always America. Same with Australia. It was always
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: America to England. It was America to Australia.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 3: There was one Australian guy that had a hit when
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 3: I was a kid in England in school named Rolf
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 3: Harris called Timey Kangaroo Down Sport.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: Timey Kangaroo Down Sport. Timey Kangaroo Down. It was a
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: horrible song, but it was a huge hit in England.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: And it was the only one that ever came over
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: from Australia. And the same with England. There was really...
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: Nothing that crossed over.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: And then suddenly Kennedy was killed and America was looking
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 3: away from America. They didn't want to look, I think,
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 3: was a big part with the Beatles. They didn't want
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 3: to look at America right then at that point. Suddenly
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 3: here were these four mop tops and they came and
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 3: smiled and sang great music and took attention away from,
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 3: you know, darkness.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: Well, they were probably the first real super band, right?
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: The Beatles? Yeah.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: That was just so huge that people would faint when
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: they saw them and just scream.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: When they saw them. They used to faint for Frank Sinatra.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 3: They used to faint for Mozart. I mean, they had
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: groupies that would pass out that they thought they were
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 3: so hot.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And there were pop stars. There were
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: pop stars back then.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: And But it wasn't on television.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: It wasn't on the radio. The internet's done now.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 3: You have a frigging opinion and now you can put
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 3: it out there.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: Welcome to this show.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's what it is. Yeah.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: It's just– it must have been very strange to be
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: the first global super group like that. I think– yeah.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: I don't think there was– I think Elvis was probably
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: the first super famous individual where, I mean, he got
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: to a point. First of all, I think that level
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: of fame is almost unsustainable for a human being. I
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: think it's just too crazy. I don't think it's manageable.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: And especially when there was no roadmap.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: And he was the first. Yeah, he was the first.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: And then Michael Jackson was like, hold my beer. I'll
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: show you the next level of this shit. And Michael
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: Jackson took it to a place that was just like.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: Totally, totally agree. Yeah. Totally agree. Unbelievable.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm just young, but the Jackson 5 and
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 3: Beatles both starting off in 64 is crazy.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: McCartney was 22 and Harrison was 21.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow. That's crazy. When you think about what you
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: were doing at 21. Wow. And Jackson 5 is same time.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: Wow. 64, the Jackson 5. Wow.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: I guess it took a year or two, I guess,
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: before they got famous, but still, same time.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: Amazing.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just saw This Is It, is it? This
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: Is It.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, the Michael Jackson documentary?
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, where he's preparing for the show. Yeah. It's pretty wild.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: It's just amazing.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 3: I mean, you see him just kind of going through
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 3: it like, you know, like it's nothing. I mean, he's
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 3: cutting back, but he's still doing, you know, he knows
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 3: what he's doing. And just he did seem kind of
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 3: weak to me and didn't know if he could sustain
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 3: all of that by that point.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: But, God, he was amazing.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: Well, I think the pressure and the stress was probably
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: just so overwhelming for him.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: Unbelievable.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: That guy couldn't go anywhere. He would get swarmed. Like
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: no one... ever. People loved him in a way. He
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: was so big that I don't know if you're familiar
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: with Boston Radio, but they had WCOZ, Rock of Boston.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: It was like the big Boston rock and roll station.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: And when Thriller came out, it was such a big album.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: The DJ goes, I know this isn't rock and roll,
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: but this is so awesome. I'm going to play it anyway.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: And I think it was Billie Jean they played. And
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: I remember thinking, this is crazy. They're playing this on
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: the Rock of Boston? This is nuts. But it was
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: that big. It was that big. It transcended everything.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 3: Well, they wouldn't let him on MTV, right? They wouldn't
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 3: play it. They said, we don't play. They were saying,
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 3: come on, this is huge.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: You've got to play it.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: Why weren't they playing? What do you mean?
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: They don't play black artists. Really? Yeah, initially. And I
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: forget who it was.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 3: One of the Atlantic, someone, Atlantic, Ahmed Erdogan or somebody
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 3: called up and said, if you don't play this song
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 3: and Billie Jean in the next 10 minutes, we're pulling
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 3: all our artists out. And they played it and that
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 3: was it.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: Because Thriller was obviously the biggest music video of all time.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: It was a film. I mean, he got Rick Baker,
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: the guy who did The American Werewolf in London. I
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: know you're a horror fan. That wolf outside, by the way,
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: we have two of those.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 3: Yes, I just posted a photo of me with my
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 3: arm in that guy.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: The reason why we have two of those is because
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: Rick Baker saw the original one that Pat McGee did
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: that we had back here. And he said the proportions
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: were wrong. So Pat McGee, the guy who made that
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: for me, said, I'm going to make another one that
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: has the right proportions.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: So Rick Baker saw that one?
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: Yes. So Rick Baker came to my studio, did my
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: podcast and said, that's great, but the legs are too long.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: The body's too long. This is the wrong proportions. And
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: Pat McGee went crazy. He's like, fuck. And so he
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: made another one. And then the new one that he made, though,
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: is even better because it's all animal hair. Yeah, it's incredible.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: I'll show you the other one.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: The other one's in the other room. The one, the
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: not so good one. Right.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: It's in the other room. I still have both of them.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: But he saw it.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: You don't get rid of werewolves.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, I would give it to someone cool, but the, uh,
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: he did the special effects for Thriller when he turns
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: into that cat monster thing, like he turns and the
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: girl screams. I mean, then he's a zombie. Like that
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: fucking video was crazy. I remember everybody waiting for the premiere.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: All my friends in high school, like waiting around the
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: TV for the premiere. It was incredible. There was like
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: nothing like it.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: And, you know, I mean, he was a superstar in
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: a way that, like, I don't think anybody's ever even
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: come close. Maybe Taylor Swift. Like, maybe she's in that sort.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: Of realm now.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's Elvis, The Beatles, and Michael
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 3: Jackson were the three that absolutely transcend.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, there's been people as famous, but
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 3: they did something so different. You know, first of all,
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 3: Elvis was Elvis. And the Beatles, they wrote the best songs.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 3: There's not many songs left to write now because the
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 3: Beatles wrote them all.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: Right. And Michael Jackson did them.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: Well, they also had such a different range of music.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: You know, you go from love, love me do to
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: more psychic.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's how fast they grew.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 3: That's just, I mean, I don't even know if that's
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 3: possible anymore because the audience is so fragmented now. Back
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 3: then it was, you know, your parents or you and
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 3: your friends.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: There was nothing in. you know, in between.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 3: There was no, now it's like, well, if you're 13
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 3: years old, you like, you know, K-pop. If you're, you know, 15, 16,
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 3: you're like this. If you like heavy stuff, then it's this.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 3: And everyone's, it's so fragmented. There's not like us against
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 3: them anymore.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: Right, right, right.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 3: And so I don't know if it allows for, I
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 3: think Taylor Swift is actually the first one to really
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 3: get that, amount of gigantic following. And it seems to be.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: A lot of, like, young girls still. Yes.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 3: But, I mean, I like a lot of the songs.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 3: I think she's a great writer lyrically. I think the
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 3: girls are killing it in pop right now. You know,
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 3: I miss rock and roll on the radio for sure.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: It's weird that rock and roll has kind of faded.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: What's that?
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: It's weird that rock and roll has kind of faded.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 3: I never thought the guitar would kind of become uncool.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 3: I thought once we got through disco where it was
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 3: just in the background and suddenly there was ACDC and
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 3: you're going.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: Oh, thank God the guitar's back. You know, now it'll
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: never leave. It's left again. Unfortunately, but hopefully it'll, you know,
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it'll come back, I think.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: The window's open.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: What's that?
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: The window is open because people still love the old music.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but there's, I mean, I hear great stuff
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 3: from rock bands still, you know, but you don't hear
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 3: it unless someone sends.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: It to you, really. Yeah.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 3: Or there's a specific, you know, rock, you know, like
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 3: I don't know where you hear, you know, new Foo
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 3: Fighters other than you certainly don't hear it on, you know,
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 3: any of the AM stations anymore.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: Do you?
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: Are there even AM stations?
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. I mean, I don't know what even plays.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: FM is what played big music in this country. But
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's no real radio presence anymore. I don't
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: know of any. My mechanic still listens to FM music.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: I know that because when he fixes my car, when
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: I get it back, the radio's on the local FM
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: rock station. But it's all like there's no DJs anymore.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: And if there is a DJ, they don't have control
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: of the music anymore.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 3: Exactly right. And Jessie's Girl was a It was a
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 3: product of the DJs. It wasn't released as a single.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: Really? Yeah. It was back when the DJs, if they
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: liked a song, they'd play it. They'd say, oh, I
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: like this song. Let's put this on.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 3: And they started doing that with Jessie's Girl, and they
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 3: started getting a lot of phones. And they called up
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 3: the record company and said, you probably should put this
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 3: out as a single.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: It's getting a lot of phones. And the record company goes, oh, okay.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: So they put it out. But it wasn't their choice.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 3: I mean, it was actually back then it was RCA
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 3: was me and Elvis.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: That was pretty much it. Wow. It was old Elvis and,
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: What year was Jesse's girl?
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: 81, 80, 80, 81. 81.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 3: I throw it over to our maestro at the controls
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 3: over there.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was a freshman in high school. Yeah. I
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: was 14 years old when that.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: Song came out. Oh, my God, really? That's wild. Yeah.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 2: What was that like for you? That had to be
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: insane because that song was so giant. Every girl in
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: my high school was in love with you. It must
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: have been nuts.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 3: I mean, I was 29, 30 by the time that happened, 31.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 3: And I was, I'd imagined it for so long because
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 3: I'm very, one of the things I really believe in is,
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 3: you know, you know, visualization, seeing what you want and
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 3: committing to it. And I'd seen it so much, so
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 3: many times in my head that when it happened, I went, yeah.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: That's how it is. Really?
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 2: So you expected it?
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I always expected something. I knew something would happen.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: I had faith. You know, there was.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 3: Times when I was, because of the teen magazines, I
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 3: get letters sometimes, I can't wait to come over and
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 3: meet you and and visit you in your mansion. And
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 3: at the time, I was living in a $ 180- a- month apartment
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 3: in a seedy area of Hollywood, eating TV man dinners
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 3: and fishing quarters out of my goofy piggy bank so
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 3: I could go down and buy milk.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, it was quite a dichotomy, you might say.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: So when it first started happening, it started happening because
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: of DJs. And, like, how long was that before it became, like,
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 2: a massive hit?
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: It was quite a haul.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 3: It was actually a long time on the charts, crawling up.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: And it was, I thought, oh, it's never going to
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: make it. You know, it's going so slow. Usually they
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: go boom, boom, boom. Right. And it crawled and crawled
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: and crawled and crawled. And I remember Joe.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 3: Guthrie, who owns Sound City, which is one of the
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 3: reasons I happened to be in the Dave Grohl, Sound
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 3: City documentary. It was because I used to hang out
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 3: there all the time. And he came in with this
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 3: cheap bottle of champagne and said.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: We just made number one.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 3: And it was, yeah, it was a long time that
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 3: it climbed. And they weren't going to release it. I actually,
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 3: I took general hospital because I didn't think they were
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 3: going to release the album.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: That's right. I forgot you were on General Hospital. You
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: were on a fucking soap opera.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: Fucking soap opera. By the way, the biggest soap opera.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 2: The whole Luke and Laura thing was crazy.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was the biggest soap opera I ever got.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 3: And I just happened to be on it that summer.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 3: But this guy called me up. I hadn't worked as
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 3: an actor in like nine months. And this guy called
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 3: me up. And he'd seen me. They were trying to
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 3: do a male.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: Charlie's Angels movie. Thankfully, I didn't get that, and that
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: didn't work out.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 3: But I'd gone up and auditioned for it, and it
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 3: didn't work out but this guy obviously remembered me and
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 3: he called up my agent who hadn't done a fucking.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: Thing for me in 12 months.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 3: And said I remember this guy Springfield we'd like to
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 3: see him for this part on General Hospital and I
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 3: said General fucking soap opera I don't want to do
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 3: that and he said just go in and I'm thinking
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 3: well it's mostly old ladies ironing in the afternoon. That
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 3: still can have any effect on my music career, I guess,
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 3: because they totally, you know, apples and oranges. So I
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 3: went up and I wasn't that interested in it. And
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 3: I did the reading and then he calls up and says,
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 3: you got the part. And Keith Olsen, who was a
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 3: big producer at the time and who'd produced Jessie's Girl,
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 3: he'd done me a favor because he was, because the
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 3: Sound City connection, he'd done Fleetwood Mac and and Pat Benatar,
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 3: and Foreigner, and a lot of big hits, and so
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 3: I said, I'll do a favor for Joe, and I'll,
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 3: and he actually cut together my very first album, he'd
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 3: been a guy that cut all the clicks out of
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 3: my first album, where they punched me in, the vocals in,
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 3: and so he did that, and he said, you don't
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 3: need to do this, this is a great record, you
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 3: don't need to do this soap opera, and I said, oh,
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 3: I didn't know, man, I've had four albums, and they've
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 3: done nothing, so I'm, I don't know what this one's
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 3: going to do. So I had no money. I said,
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 3: I'm going to take it for the money because it
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 3: was $ 500.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: An episode, which was like mind-blowing money to me back then.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 3: I'd never seen regular money, and I'd never seen that
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 3: much regular. That was a hell of a lot of
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 3: money to me back in 1980. So I said, I'm
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 3: going to take this show. So I took it, and
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 3: the record company was not releasing the album. I'm going, oh, God,
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 3: it's going to happen again.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: It's going to hit.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 3: 100 in the top 100 and go away. Because there
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 3: was disco and there were ballads on the radio. They
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 3: didn't know what to do with a guitar-based pop record.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 3: So they finally released it. And that, the whole DJ
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 3: thing happened.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: What was the single that they released?
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: What's that?
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: What were the singles that they released from that album?
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 3: They released I've Done Everything For You, actually. Because Sammy
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 3: was a known quantity and I wasn't.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: And it... It didn't do.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 2: Is that Sammy Hagar?
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Sammy, yeah.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he wrote it.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 3: And Keith also had worked with Sammy on a bunch
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 3: of his solo albums. And he really liked the song.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 3: And he said, I'll do two songs with Springfield. So
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 3: he picked one of mine, Jesse's Girl. I had my
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 3: demos that I'd done on my little four track, you know.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 3: And I was pissed that he didn't pick a second one.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: He said, I want to bring an outside song in.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: I went off.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 3: Because I'm a writer I wanted to do my songs
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 3: and he brought this song in and I went okay
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 3: he must know what he's talking about he's got a
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 3: lot of hits and everything so I did it and
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 3: it happened to be the right second song it was
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 3: absolutely the right second song but that was the first
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 3: one and then I thought and then they picked Jessie's
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 3: Girl so fortunately it was the DJ's call and I'm
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 3: forever thankful for that and I don't know What would
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 3: have happened if, you know, if they hadn't picked it
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 3: or if they were like now.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: They're on, you know, you play these 10 songs and
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: that's right. You don't deviate.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: Well, it seems like now it's all sort of pre-programmed
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 2: by executives. They just decide what is going to be
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: pushed and what's going to be famous.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I don't really understand it.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 3: And I don't know if anybody does, why some are
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 3: pushed and others aren't.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 2: Well, there's no tastemakers anymore. That's the thing. Without DJs,
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: without Wolfman Jack and these big DJ guys, he was awesome.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: He was so good. I did an interview with him
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: with my first album. I said, this is a song
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: about a woman, a guy that commits suicide. Oh, I
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: don't think so. Not in my radio station. He puts
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: it on and he listens to it. And he ended
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: up playing it. It was really great.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 3: We actually got along really well and he Would introduce
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 3: me occasionally at shows and things.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: He was a lovely guy. Funny as hell, man.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 2: Well, there were tastemakers back then. There were people that
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: you believed in that were DJs, that were cool.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: And could call it. Yeah.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: And they were kind of cool guys who liked cool things.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: And they had personalities. People, you know, yeah.
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 2: They had personalities and they were interesting to listen to.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 2: And they would tell you why, like, you're going to
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 2: dig this. And they would play it. And you're like, ooh,
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: what is this?
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: And they'd know shit about the songs. Yeah.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: They were real music aficionados, and they were sort of
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 2: like the Siskel and Ebert of music. They would tell
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: you what was cool.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: What was cool, yeah.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 2: And slowly but surely, that all just completely went away.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: I can't name a DJ currently, and I think that's nuts.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 2: When I was a kid, you knew everyone. Mark Parenteau
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 2: and all these different people, and Charles Lockwood era. Those
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 2: are the guys in Boston. Everybody knew who they were.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 2: And it was a national thing in every city. They
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: had your morning DJ guy, you know.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: And these morning— Scott Shannon.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: Yes. And all these guys would play— Kevin and Bean in L.A.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: And all these guys would play cool music, and they
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 2: knew cool stuff. And it was like, you know, you
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: learned about culture from these people pre-internet. They were the tastemakers.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's trippy.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know how you fall in love
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 3: with an artist anymore, you know, because— You know, it's
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 3: an old story. You get the record, you open it up,
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 3: and as it's playing, you read who's playing what, who
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 3: wrote what, and you read about them. And I remember
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 3: years ago, I had a copy of a record, like
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 3: a No Doubt CD or something anyway, and this young
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 3: girl's daughter, a friend of mine, I said, oh, I've
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 3: got the No Doubt CD, the new CD, if you
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 3: want to. She said, oh, no, it's okay, I'd download it. Well,
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 3: she's got the album cover and everything. He said, no,
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 3: it's okay, I'll just download it.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: It's weird.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 2: It's weird.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I used to buy albums based on the cover.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 2: I'd go to the record store and I'm.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: Like, wow. It's just fucking big. I know.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 2: It's impossible. But you would go and see an album
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 2: and you're like, wow, this looks cool. Cool artwork.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: You open it up.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 3: Some of those hypnosis, whatever they are, they've spelled it.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 2: Oh, they were brilliant.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: And look at the, you know, I mean, the Pink
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: Floyd one is still an epic image. Yeah. Yeah. So
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: you see it everywhere, you know.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: Well, when I was a kid, my uncle Vinny was
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 2: he was an artist and he worked for Howard Marks Advertising,
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 2: which was a company that did all of the album
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 2: covers for Kiss. And so when I was a kid,
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 2: I was really young. I was like seven or something
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: like that. I got to see I got to go
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 2: to his office with him. And he would take me around.
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: You'd see them before anybody did.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 2: I met Ace Frehley with no makeup on. It was
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 2: the craziest thing I'd ever seen in my life. He
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 2: has no makeup on. This is nuts. This was back
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 2: before Kiss had taken the makeup off. It's like seeing
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 2: him naked. It was so insane. He came into the office,
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: and everyone was like, what's up, Ace? I was like, what?
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 2: That's him? Because I was, God, I don't remember how
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: old I was. I couldn't have been more than 10.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 2: All of us was. It was so strange to me.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 2: I was like, this is crazy. I can't believe he's
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: right there. This is nuts.
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: Isn't that wild, yeah.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 2: Actually, I might have been a little older. I might
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 2: have been 11 or 12. But either way, I was
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: like blown away by it. I couldn't believe I was
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 2: actually meeting Ace Frehley with no makeup on. But their
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 2: advertisement company would do all the album covers. And the
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 2: album covers were a work of art. There was so
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 2: much going on inside of them. You would open up
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 2: the album. There was artwork inside. It was like, even like,
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 2: When they had their solo albums, the albums themselves had
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 2: an image of each individual band member printed on the album. Oh, really? Yes,
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 2: like the album itself. Like when you look at the record,
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 2: you saw the image of their faces on the record.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: It was crazy.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: I remember when they came out. I think this has
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: got to be huge. I've had the photo.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 3: Ace Frehley actually came back to see us at a
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 3: gig we were doing, and I had a photo taken
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 3: with him.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: And my drummer was a star. The Kiss were his Beatles.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 3: So I was selling guitars at the time, like these,
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 3: just these red Fernandes that we had a bunch of.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: So he had Ace sign it. And he did, you know,
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: the Ace card and everything to Roger Rocca and whatever,
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: Ace Frehley.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 3: I copied it exactly onto another one, exactly like the guitar.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: And in the middle of the show, the guitar tech
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: brought it out to me and I smashed the shit
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: out of it.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: And Roger lost his shit. He thought it was a
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: real one. He played so many terrible pranks on us
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: that it wasn't fucking worth it.
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 2: That's hilarious. That's hilarious. So you kind of knew that
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 2: eventually it was going to hit. But when it did hit,
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 2: what was the feeling like to go from being someone,
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: you know, you'd been in pop magazines, but then all
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 2: of a sudden... you are the guy like for a
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 2: year or two, whatever it was in, in the early eighties,
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 2: you were so huge, man. I mean, it was, it
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 2: was crazy. What was that feeling like?
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: Um, it was, I was, it was exciting.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 3: It drove me to write more and more, you know,
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, I directed it into performing and writing.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: I really don't know what else, you know, I didn't, uh,
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: party a lot, you know. I mean, we did a
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: little bit on the road, but it wasn't, I directed
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: it into what I was doing. And it was exciting.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 3: You know, I remember getting on the phone with DJs
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 3: and saying, oh yeah, the record's going to be, it's.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: Going up and up.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 3: And it was all real exciting stuff. But it was
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 3: kind of, like I said, I expected it. And it
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 3: wasn't like, oh my God, this is so weird. It
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 3: was like, yeah, about fucking time. I've been here for
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 3: 10 years.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 2: That's crazy that you, like, totally were comfortable with it
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 2: and expected it.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was, you know, there were, you know, like 4,000
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 3: fans around a police car trying.
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 1: To tip it over. And I was like, okay, this
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: is what it feels like.
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 2: God, it's so wild. It's so wild that you were like, okay,
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 2: this is happening.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: It was exciting. You know, I mean, it didn't lessen
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: the excitement, but it was... I prepared myself for it,
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 2: Do you remember what it was like the first time
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 2: you started playing the first few chords of Jessie's Girl
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 2: and the whole crowd knew what it was?
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I do actually.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 3: Because I'd seen, we saw all these English bands in
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 3: Australia because they all came to Australia. I saw the
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 3: Stones twice in 65 and 66. I saw the Beatles
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 3: in 64. And I saw the Kinks in like 65.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 3: I saw The Who in 65. And they started out with,
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 3: you really got, King started out, da-da-da-da-dum, da-da-da-da-dum.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: And the audience went, oh, ape shit. I said, oh, man,
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: that is so fucking cool. I want to feel what
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: that's like.
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 2: Do you remember the first time you felt it?
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: What's that?
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 2: Do you remember the first time you felt that?
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 3: We did the Beach Boys Fourth of July show for
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 3: the Queen Mary. And I was like the new artist.
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 2: In Long Beach?
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: On the bill, yeah, on Long Beach.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 3: It was the Beast Boys, Three Dog Night. And I
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 3: had Brian Wilson was still with the Beast Boys. He'd
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 3: come back with the Beast Boys, right? And we started.
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: We were on there. I started playing. And the audience
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: went nuts. I went, that's it! That's the feeling!
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 3: And it was so weird because we came on after
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 3: the show. After the Beast Boys finished, we walked on stage, right?
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 3: And Brian Wilson's like a god, right? And I'm walking
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 3: on stage.
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 1: He's at the piano, and he goes, he follows me
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: like this.
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 3: I'm going, what's he following me for? He was a
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 3: giant soap opera fan. Him and his wife used to
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 3: sit all and watch fucking General Hospital.
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 1: Brian Wilson with his mouth open was following me across
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 1: the stage. That's crazy. When I'm doing the same thing going,
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 1: Brian Wilson. Holy fuck.
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 3: And same thing with Sammy Davis Jr. I was on
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 3: the first Night of 100 Stars and we're walking along
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 3: the red carpet and I feel someone tugging on my jacket.
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: I go, what the fuck? I look around at Sammy
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: Davis Jr. Hey man, love you on this show. And
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: I'm going, what the fuck? That was the stuff that
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: was weird for me. Was that kind of thing.
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 3: And like I met Paul McCartney later, like Arden or
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 3: maybe 15 years ago, had a thing, and I went
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 3: to see him because I was a giant fan.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: And he said, oh, what are you here for?
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 3: Meaning, you know, he obviously knew who I was and
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 3: what was I coming to the event for because everyone
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 3: was announcing new projects. I just said, I'm here to
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 3: see you.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: He goes, oh. And no one was taking photos, and
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 1: I didn't realize at the time. He said, why don't
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: you get a photo? So I said, that'll be 10 quid.
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 3: Like they said no I'm only joking I'm only joking
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 3: so we had a photo it was one of my
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 3: I keep that photo it's a pretty cool photo wow
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 3: that's awesome and speaking of album covers the Sgt. Pepper's
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 3: cover was oh yeah I have the because War of
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 3: the Worlds Time Machine H.G. Wells one of my favorite
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 3: writers right I love sci-fi always love H.G. Wells they're
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 3: very political too and he wrote some great Great, great
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 3: novels and articles about the war and the possibility of
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 3: atomic war. And, I mean, he was a really deep guy.
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 3: And he was one of the cutouts, right?
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 1: It was H.G.
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 3: Wells on the Sgt. Pepper's figure thing. You know, all
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 3: the cutouts, the heads on the front. You know what
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 3: I mean?
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: Sure, yeah. And so I got that actual H.G. Wells.
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: I got that actual cutout, and Paul had signed it.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 3: So I got one of my favorite writers and my
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 3: favorite artist, and it's a really cool thing.
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 1: I have that in my studio. Wow.
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 2: People don't understand today the General Hospital thing. General Hospital
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 2: was a soap opera, but it was a soap opera
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 2: that transcended regular television shows somehow.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was the most popular show in the summer.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: Very strange.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 2: Very strange. It was very strange, and it was a
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 2: completely— it was an organic viral moment. For whatever reason.
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 1: No idea still.
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 2: Never happened again.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: No, never happened again.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 2: Only happened once.
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 3: The most popular soap now has about a third of
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 3: the viewership that General Hospital had at the time. And
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 3: it was— you know, like, I was on it— this is one— you' re
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 3: talking about, you know, new fame and all that kind
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 3: of stuff. And I was— I had a little house
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 3: that I bought.
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: On BMI Advances because I had a record deal, which I.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 3: Don't do anymore, but in Montrose, in La Crescenta, and
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 3: I'm walking down the street one day, and nobody's looking
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 3: at me.
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 1: I'm going, yeah, I was walking down.
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 3: And then two weeks later, after being on the show
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 3: for two weeks, I'm walking down the same street.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: People are going, isn't that?
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 3: And it was like so sudden that that was like,
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 3: It was before MTV, so you had to have at
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 3: least three albums.
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: Out before a musician was recognized. So to get it
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 1: that fast, that was kind of odd. And I wasn't
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 1: ready for that, for that amount of recognition.
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 2: Well, it was just so strange. My whole family was
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 2: watching General Hospital. I was watching it. My sister was
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 2: watching it. It was a television show, but it was
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 2: a soap opera. And soap operas were like, Housewives would
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 2: watch it.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was, you know, your cousin in the way
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: they invented the toothbrush.
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 2: It was like low production value, shitty writing, bad acting.
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: Horrible, horrible writing, terrible acting.
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 2: But something about that Luke and Laura storyline, for whatever reason,
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 2: caught the nation and held it captive.
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: And I believe he raped her. And then they became
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: boyfriend and girlfriend.
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 2: Is that really what the storyline was? That's nuts.
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 1: And Elizabeth Taylor was on the show, too. And I
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: got to do a scene, a couple of scenes with her.
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: And that was weird. I'm walking down the stairs as
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: she's walking up. She goes, Noah. And I'm going, wait, stop,
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 1: Elizabeth Taylor.
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 3: And we do a scene and we're walking away together,
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 3: you know, off to a blank alleyway until they say cut.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: And she goes, isn't acting stupid? And Tony Geary actually
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 1: did the best thing. He's doing a scene with her
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 1: in rehearsal. And he goes, oh, my God, it's Elizabeth Taylor.
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's what we all wanted to say, right? But
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: it's amazing the people who were fans of the show.
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 1: It's good. You know, crazy.
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 2: It was literally the biggest show in the country.
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 2: And it was a soap opera. And it was on
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 2: during the day. It made no sense.
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: And the acting sucked and the writing sucked and the
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: writing sucked. If you got through the scene, they printed it. Yeah.
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 3: You know, I mean, I got really good because they
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 3: handed us a three-page scene once, me and a character
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 3: I was working with. They said, we're shooting this in
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 3: 20 minutes. So I got really good. They'd have the
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 3: camera here, and they'd have the words right.
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: You know, coming down the— Teleprompter? Yeah, the teleprompter down
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 1: the screen. And a red light. And I got good
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: at looking at them while I was talking. And as
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: soon as I saw the light go off, I'd look
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: at the screen and memorize the words for the next
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 1: line and look back at them and go, yeah. So
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: I began— It wasn't about acting for me then. It
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: was about line memorization. But there were good people on it.
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 1: Like my best friend, actually, Doug Davidson, was on Young
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 1: and the Restless. Paul, God, what's his last name?
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 2: Sorry, Dougie.
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 1: But anyway, Paul Drake.
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 2: No, wait.
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 1: Oh, there's me and Liz.
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, babe. Let me invite you.
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 1: Oh, that was it. Isn't acting stupid? That's the scene.
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 2: Wow. That's nuts. Isn't acting stupid? That's so crazy.
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 1: How weird is it? Yeah, so he was really good.
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 1: Doug Davidson played Paul Drake. I think that was his name.
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 3: Sorry, I forgot it. But he was great on it.
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 3: He would cry and get angry, and he was very,
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 3: very good. And there are some great people that can
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 3: do it. Not everybody can. And they picked, you know,
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 3: they picked, Young, pretty people who aren't necessarily the best actors,
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 3: but they have a presence, you know. And I remember
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 3: walking by the phones when Demi Moore was on the show.
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 3: And they would take calls from.
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 1: Everybody and listen to everything. And I walked by as
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 1: a woman's going, oh, doesn't like Demi Moore's voice.
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 2: They would take calls from the audience to find out
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 2: what they thought about it?
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 1: People would call in and say, oh, we really like
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 1: this guy or we don't like this guy or hate
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 1: this storyline. And And Gloria Monti, she was the, oh,
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 1: Tristan just passed away.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 2: Brian Cranston together.
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 1: Wow. He just passed away. He's a cool guy. That's
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 1: Brian Cranston.
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 2: That's crazy. Wow.
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 1: Lovely guy. Funny guy.
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 2: Is that the name?
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 1: Wow. 1982. Wow.
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 2: Trippy.
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 1: Trippy, yeah.
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 2: That's amazing. I can't believe Elizabeth Taylor was doing a
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 2: soap opera. That's so strange.
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but there were fans, and it was a big show,
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 3: and it was kind of like Baywatch, how Baywatch became
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 3: this big cultural thing. I remember reading Paul McCartney saying.
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, my daughters love Baywatch. I'm going, fuck that, man.
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 2: It's just so strange that it never happened again. that
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 2: General Hospital moment is like a strange anomaly in culture.
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 3: It totally was, yeah. And it was a combination probably
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 3: of the characters, you know. I mean, it was kind
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 3: of the best of the worst storylines, you know. And
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 3: there was, you know, a lot of characters, good characters
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 3: on it. Plus, you know, they were aware at that
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 3: point that I had a recording career, you know, and
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 3: they wanted me to sing on the.
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 1: Show and I, There it is. There it is. Wow.
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 1: Tony took us around and we were in Amsterdam.
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 2: 30 million viewers.
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 1: That's insane.
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 2: For Luke and Laura's wedding on General Hospital. I mean,
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 2: what has even come close to that?
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 2: What has even come close to that in terms of
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 2: soap operas? Is there anything even close?
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 1: No. No. That was a golden age.
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 2: Fucking bananas.
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 2: It's kind of insane.
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Isn't it during the middle of the day, too? Yeah.
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 1: Still have no real explanation, you know.
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know what time it was on, but I
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 2: remember it was like right after high school.
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they used to cancel, rearrange classes in universities because
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 3: they knew people wouldn't show up.
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 2: That's nuts.
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 3: And I had no idea that these people, you know,
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 3: they were the same people that come into concerts.
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 1: And I had no idea that there would be any
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 1: kind of crossover.
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 2: How crazy is it that the guy from General Hospital
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden has the number one song in
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 2: the country?
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And they had no idea.
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 3: I was on the show for like six weeks, and Gloria,
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 3: the producer, who was really responsible for the success of it, she.
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 1: Was so smart.
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 3: Her and Tony used to get together and go over
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 3: the scripts at night, and that had something to do
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 3: with it. And she came up and said, I.
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 1: Hear you're also a singer.
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 3: I went, yeah, but it's not happening on this show.
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 3: I've already got enough shit that I'm on the show.
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 2: Oh, they wanted you to sing on the show? Oh, God.
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 3: Which I did as kind of a callback way later on,
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 3: you know, after I'd left the show. And then I
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 3: came back for like the 50th anniversary or something. But, yeah,
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 3: when it was, you know, she wanted me to like
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 3: go up there and sing Jessie's Girl. It was just
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 3: a doctor suddenly, you know, that will make it work,
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 2: How weird must it have been for those Luke and
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 2: Laura actors? Because, like, no one had ever done that before.
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 2: No soap opera had ever gotten that huge before. And
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 2: then after it was over, nothing. The girl who played
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 2: Laura was 21 and still lived at home. Wow! She
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 2: was 21 and still lived at home at the time.
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 2: Wasn't allowed to drink. Wow, wasn't allowed to drink the
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 2: bubbly because she was underage. How was she underage? Oh,
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 2: not even 21, it says. Oh, not yet 21. Wow.
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 3: That didn't stop him from getting drinking.
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 1: We got so drunk on the set. We had a party.
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 1: It was supposed to be this party. And the professor
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 1: from Gilligan's Island played my father. I'm going, wow, that's
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 1: fucking cool.
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 3: And we're sitting around this. And we're supposed to be drinking.
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 3: And we all drank. And the gut was so bad,
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 3: they had to reshoot it the next day.
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 2: You're all drunk.
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 1: But, you know, everyone kind of, let's cut loose. It's
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 1: the end of the day, you know.
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 2: Wow. That's nuts, man. Tell me about your writing, like
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 2: the novels. Like what have you written novels about?
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 1: They're very bizarre.
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 3: They're both about a plague that comes to the world
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 3: and takes out.
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 1: Like two-thirds of the people.
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 2: Both of them are about that?
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 3: The other is a continuation of it. One is called
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 3: Magnificent Vibration. The other one is called World on Fire.
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 3: And it's dark humor, very dark humor.
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 2: Had you written before that?
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 1: I wrote my autobiography by myself.
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 2: But had you written any fiction?
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 3: Um, yeah, I, as a kid, that was the only
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 3: thing I was any good at, at school was, was
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 3: I got great marks in my essays. Nothing else was any,
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 3: I was terrible at everything else. Math, geography, history, all
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 3: that shit. And, um, so, you know, I was already
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 3: doing what I was planning on doing anyway. So, um, yeah,
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 3: I started writing poems and then, you know, and I,
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 3: songwriting to me, the lyrics are, uh, are something I
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 3: really take time, you know, music just comes through. It
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 3: either is there or it isn't there. But the lyrics,
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 3: you have time to sit back and go, does that
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 3: work or does that not work? Whereas with music, it's
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 3: kind of instantaneous or it doesn't happen. So, yeah, I've
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 3: always kind of written.
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 2: And when did you write these novels?
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Can you tell me that, my friend?
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 2: You don't remember?
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know. It could have been the 90s. It
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 1: could have been the 2000s. It was probably 2000.
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 2: 2014 and 2021.
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 1: What is it? 2014 was the first one.
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 2: Follow-up, 2021. Oh, so 2021 is recent.
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It was, yeah, fairly recent.
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 1: The first one was on the New York Times bestseller. Wow.
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 1: I sign them all the time. You know, fans bring
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 1: them and that. But... Yeah, I like writing.
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 3: I'm writing something now, but it's just something that I
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 3: do when I'm not writing songs. I kind of gravitate
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 3: towards that. I've got to be doing something, and it
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 3: was like I take a guitar to the beach. We
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 3: go to Bora Bora, and I take a little guitar
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 3: when I sit on the beach because I can't just
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 3: sit on the beach. It feels like a kind of
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 3: waste of time.
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 2: That's wild.
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 1: I do relax, but I've got to have a guitar.
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 1: I've got to be doing something, either writing or, you know, whatever.
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 2: And when you write, do you write longhand? Do you
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 2: write with a keyboard?
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 1: No, I write on a computer.
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 2: You write on a computer, yeah.
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the thing.
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 3: Like, I have a bunch of Beatle lyrics, handwritten Beatle lyrics, right?
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 3: And they don't exist anymore because everyone writes on the computer.
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 1: Like, I have Jessie's Girl. I have the original paper
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 1: that I wrote Jessie's Girl on, and.
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 2: What are you doing with that? Is it framed?
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 1: No, I got it, I don't know, in a closet somewhere. Really? Yeah.
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 2: Oh, God, you should frame that.
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I probably should.
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 3: I have all my songs, really, the ones that made
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 3: it and the ones that didn't.
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 1: I have them all. So I got interested in that,
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 1: and I started collecting Beatle lyrics because I loved that
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 1: moment of creation.
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 2: How did you get those?
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 1: I have a friend who.
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 3: He's the guy that validates them all for Christie's and
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 3: for Sotheby's and all the big auction houses. And he
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 3: knows where all the bodies are buried. So I collect
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 3: stuff like you obviously do. I have the Titanic number
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 3: two lifeboat plaque that says SS Titanic on it. And
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 3: it's in a show now in Branson or somewhere.
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 1: We rented it out and Wow. I loved collecting stuff.
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 1: I have robots and old 50s robots.
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 2: Well, there's something about collecting something like Beatles lyrics that
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 2: you know were written by the Beatles. Their hand touched
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 2: that paper and wrote that down.
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 3: No, as a huge fan, it's very powerful stuff. The
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 3: coolest one I have is Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds.
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 2: Whoa.
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 3: Which they both have written on it, which it didn't
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 3: happen much, you know, towards they mostly they wrote their
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 3: own songs, you know.
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 1: But they both got their hand in this. And there's
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 1: even Wednesday morning.
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 3: At 9 o'clock written at the bottom, too, the first
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 3: line from She's Leaving Home.
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 1: But Paul did a drawing of the Sgt.
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 3: Pepper cover when he still pictured it as them in Victorian,
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 3: you know, with curtains. That was his original idea. And
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 3: there's a drawing of that. And there's a drawing of
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 3: Rocking Horse People, which is really good.
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 1: Because they were really good artists, him and John. And.
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 3: And that's really cool. It's got a lot of mojo,
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 3: you know, and it looks like there's time been spent
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 3: on it.
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 2: What was the origin of Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds?
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 2: Wasn't that supposedly about LSD?
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 1: No, no. Everyone thought it was, but it was a
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 1: painting that actually.
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 3: David Gilmour owns. David Gilmour owns the painting that... Julian
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 3: Lennon did of a painting that a girl, Lucy, his
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 3: friend at school who recently passed away, but he brought
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 3: it home and his dad said, what's that? And Julian said,
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 3: there's Lucy in the sky with diamonds. And John took
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 3: that and it just happened to be almost, you know,
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 3: an anagram for LSD, which is crazy, but it's one
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 3: of the millions of things that happened in the Beatles'
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 3: lives that you went, that didn't really happen. They had
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 3: to manufacture that. But no, it really friggin' happened, and
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 3: that's part of what made them, you know, almost like angels,
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 3: that it was just so supposed to be. And that
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 3: was one of the things, and it was, but everyone
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 3: thought it was LSD, because Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds.
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 1: Right, right, right. But it was really about the painting
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 1: that Julian did, and... John just took it and, you know,
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 1: he was doing drugs at the time.
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 3: But really, he loved Lewis Carroll. And it's really what
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 3: it is, is Lewis Carroll. The lyrics are Lewis Carroll.
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 2: Wow. Wow, that's crazy. But Lewis Carroll, who wrote Alice
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 2: in Wonderland. And Alice in Wonderland was also about LSD.
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I think there was a lot of influence.
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 1: The Caterpillar was probably high, you know, and I don't
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 1: know how aware that they all were then, but I
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 1: know that John loved him and loved his writing. I mean,
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 1: I'm sure he had a wink in there somewhere about
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 1: it being dope.
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 2: Well, there was all these substances.
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 1: What's that?
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 2: There was all these substances.
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, sure.
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 3: They were definitely high at the time and high a
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 3: lot of the time.
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 1: But they had that talent. And, you know, a lot of....
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 3: A lot of people think that, yeah, all of the drugs,
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 3: but it wasn't. It was they had the talent, but
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 3: the drugs just maybe took that talent somewhere that they
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 3: maybe wouldn't have gone if they hadn't have done the drugs.
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 3: But it wasn't drugs that make people creative. It's what
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 3: they have inside them that the drug frees whatever resistance
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 3: there is.
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 2: It was the talent and it was also the volume.
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 2: Have you ever read Malcolm Gladwell's Outliers?
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 1: No.
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 2: Well, one of the things it talks about is it
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 2: just talks about it's a great book. And one of
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 2: the things in the book, it talks about why something
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 2: became extraordinary. And they talk he talks about the Beatles
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 2: and what the Beatles did. They were in Hamburg and
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 2: they got a gig. I think it was at a
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 2: strip club. And so they were like playing every night,
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 2: like five, six hours a night, six days a week.
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 2: And they were constantly playing. And so they did this
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 2: for a couple of years and they went back to
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 2: Liverpool and everyone was like, what the fuck happened to
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 2: you guys? They were just tight. They were just so
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 2: locked in and so good that that's when they really
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 2: became the Beatles. And it's just volume. It's where he
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 2: came up with the concept of 10,000 hours to achieve
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 2: mastery in something.
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 1: I've heard that. Yeah.
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 2: Mean they're a great example of that it's just an
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 2: incredible amount of volume of work.
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 3: It's like robert johnson too he was an okay guitar
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 3: player and uh he went away like for a year
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 3: or something and came back and suddenly he was this
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 3: amazing slide player you know crossroads.
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 2: Yes and that's why everybody thought he sold his soul
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 2: to the devil.
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah and uh it just happened you know but
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 1: but I don't know if they realized they were woodshedding
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 1: for the great moment, but that's absolutely what they were doing.
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 2: I think they were just doing it to stay alive.
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 2: It wasn't paying much. It was just, I mean, they're
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 2: working at a strip club.
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 3: Paul, one of the greatest bass players of all time,
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 3: he said, I got lumbered with the bass because he
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 3: was a guitar player. And Stuart Sutcliffe was the bass player, right?
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 3: And he fell in love with Astrid, what's her name,
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 3: and gave them the haircuts. And he said, I'm leaving
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 3: the band. And they said, and John said, I'm not
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 3: playing bass. And George said, I'm not playing bass. And
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 3: so Paul said, I guess I'll play it. So he
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 3: got the Beatle, found the Beatle bass in Germany. And
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 3: there's a photo where you can see it. And it's
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 3: still on his case up against the wall where they're playing.
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 3: And he's playing the piano in the strip club. And
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 3: what he became, you know, with that is just freaking unbelievable.
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 2: Incredible.
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 2: It's just a. Well, it's just so strange how after
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 2: the fact, you go back and look back on all
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 2: the different events that had to take place in order
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 2: for them to become the Beatles. And many bands would
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 2: become what they became. It's just so fascinating to me
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 2: to see that.
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 3: I think everyone's life has that. You know, you can
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 3: look back. Like I look at my marriage. I've been
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 3: married for 42 years now. And, you know, I was
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 3: in Australia and my wife was over here in Beloit, Wisconsin.
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 3: And I went to England and she moved to California
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 3: and I went back to Australia and she moved back
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 3: to Beloit. And I came over here and I happened
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 3: to hook up with a manager at Sound City. And
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 3: at the same time, she happened to meet this woman
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 3: who she liked her accent. She was an English woman
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 3: and she became friends and she worked at Sound City.
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 3: So Barbara came in to work at Sound City and
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 3: I met her there. And, you know, there's all these,
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 3: I mean, it happened in everybody's life.
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 1: And it's just amazing that we Have successful lives.
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 2: It all seems like it's meant to be, but I
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 2: always wonder if that's like just you're looking back and
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 2: you're looking for a pattern why it makes sense.
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 1: You're just tracing what happened by happenstance, you know. Yeah.
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 1: But that it ended up in a good way, you know.
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 2: Well, it seems like whenever anyone has had an extraordinary life,
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 2: there's always this fortuitous series of events.
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 2: That take place that enable this to just become what
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 2: it became.
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 3: And I think, you know, you said a lot of
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 3: it's luck, but the luck happens when you stay in
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 3: the game. And I think that is the core of it,
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 3: is staying in the game so that, you know, when
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 3: the moments happen, that you are ready.
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 2: It's certainly not just luck.
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 1: No, no.
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 2: There's certainly a lot of other elements involved.
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 1: You've got to be ready. I mean, you've got to woodshed.
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 1: You've got to have your craft down. Yeah. You've got
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 1: to be competent. Yeah. You've got to have something to offer.
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 2: And you've got to be able to believe in yourself
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 2: enough to perform when the moment is there.
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 2: And that's daunting for a lot of people.
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 2: The anxiety of it all is just very.
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 3: I played with my back to the audience for the
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 3: first three months of being in the first band I
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 3: was ever in.
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Why? Because I was nervous. You know, I was...
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 1: I was a blues band.
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, I kind of was raised, my guitar playing
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 3: was based on, you know, because of Clapton and all
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 3: those guys, was based on a lot of the blues players, B.B.
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 3: King and, you know, all the early players. And I
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 3: was in a blues band, and I was like 15,
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 3: and they were like 25. And one of them had
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 3: been in prison. It was a really rough group. One
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 3: of them had been in prison, and there was one
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 3: guy that had been in prison.
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 1: A couple of times.
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 3: And they're the kind of guys that would go to
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 3: pubs in the weekend and go out and fight. which
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 3: is an Australian tradition. It's the only place I've ever
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 3: been where you go into the men's restroom and there's
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 3: a sign that says, this is what you do if
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 3: your buddy gets into a fight.
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 1: Like in every bathroom.
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 3: So I play, and I was shy. They all seemed
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 3: like adults to me. And they went to my mom
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 3: and they said, why does Richard play with his back
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 3: to the audience? My mom goes, oh, he's probably shy.
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 3: And they accepted that and Eventually I turned around.
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 2: Do you remember the first day you turned around?
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 1: No, I wish I did, but it must have been
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 1: a girl or something. I'm sure it was.
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 1: I was the last virgin in the band to be
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 1: in the youngest. And believe me, did they give me
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 1: shit because of that?
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 2: I'm sure. Listen, man, you've had a hell of a life.
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 2: And it's just awesome to see you out there kicking ass.
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 2: It really is. Like, that video of you that went
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 2: viral with your shirt off singing Jessie's Girl, like, that
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 2: pumped me up.
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 1: Great.
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 2: I watched that. I was like, fuck yeah. Good for him.
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 2: Look how good he looks. Like, this is kind of crazy.
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 2: I just love, I love, first of all, that the
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 2: passion that you had for singing that song was really
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 2: like it was a new song. And the fact that
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 2: you've been, I mean, you've been singing that song for
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 2: how many fucking years, man? 40, what, 46 years?
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's closer to the, when that was released, it
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 3: was written, it was closer to the end of World
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 3: War II than it is now.
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 1: That's crazy. And she is probably in her early, late
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 1: 60s now.
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 1: The girl I wrote it about.
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 2: Who is the girl that you wrote it about?
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 1: Well. I never learned her name.
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 3: She was at a stained glass class. It was one
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 3: of those moments where I was between record deals. And
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 3: I always wanted to do things with my hand. I
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 3: would make things out of clay. I was making mirrors
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 3: out of clay, like sci-fi things, and selling them at
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 3: the local swap meet. And I started thinking about stained glass,
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 3: and I thought, I could support my family doing stained glass.
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 1: Which was bullshit. So I went to this class.
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 3: I went to this class, and there was this girl,
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 3: and she was hot. It was just another girl that
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 3: I found hot. And she had a boyfriend there, and
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 3: I would try and chat with her. I never really
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 3: had chat with girls That's one of the reasons that
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 3: the guitar really helped there. I was, never could go.
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 1: Up and go, hey babe.
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 3: You know, I was not that, I was never that guy. So, um,
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 3: and I tried to talk to her and she had nothing,
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 3: didn't want anything to do with me because she had
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 3: a boyfriend. So I went home and wrote about her
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 3: in this song.
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 1: His name was Gary.
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 3: But, uh, And I tried Gary and didn't sing. So
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 3: I tried Randy, and that didn't sing right either. So
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 3: I ended up with Jesse, and that seemed to work.
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 3: But, yeah, Oprah went looking for her, actually. She was
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 3: looking for the women behind the songs. And they found
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 3: the stained glass guy, and he died two years before,
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 3: and they'd thrown all the.
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 1: Paperwork out a year after that, so. Wow. But they
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 1: could have found her. They missed her. But it'd be
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 1: wild to me.
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 3: I don't know if I'd recognize her now. I remember her,
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 3: what she looked like.
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 2: I wonder if she loved that song.
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, she had no idea. She has no
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 1: idea it was about her. No one's ever come up
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 1: and said, that was me, right?
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 2: Well, listen, man, it has been an awesome meeting you.
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been really fun.
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 2: I really enjoyed this very much.
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 1: I had a great time.
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 2: Thank you very much. And thanks for everything, and congratulations.
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 2: And you're a bad motherfucker. All right. Go see Rick
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 2: Springfield in concert, ladies and gentlemen. He's still out there
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 2: kicking ass.
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 1: I love it. All right.
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 2: Thank you very much.
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 1: Bye, everybody.