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Epstein Files Gets First Arrest, Who is Next? | The Mark Driscoll Show | Ep 19 · The Mark Driscoll Show

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Well, howdy guys. Thank you for tuning in.
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We have a great show in store for you.
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We have Stephen Whitlow here from Clear Truth Media and Clear
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Truth conference.com. He's got a big conference coming
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up. The Pastor Mark speaking at,
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it's very exciting. First conference in a couple
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years. We told him to make sure he puts
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the gay pole dancer stripper after Pastor Mark.
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If you don't get that joke, somebody in the comments will
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help you understand. We get into everything from the
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Epstein files to why Madami socialistic plan is not working
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for New York. So buckle up, get ready, you're
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in for a great show today. This is a fiscal crisis that was
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not created by working in middle class New Yorkers.
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It should not be placed on their backs in order for the city to
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resolve. It Mayor Zoran Mamdani
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repeatedly emphasized he does not want to raise property taxes
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on New Yorkers already struggling to afford their homes
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nor dip into the city's rainy day fund.
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He's presenting state leaders with an ultimatum to help him
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fill the $5.4 billion hole in the city budget.
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Raise taxes on millionaires or corporations or he'll have no
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choice but to raise those properties.
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Taxes. The mayor was asked repeatedly
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about if New Yorkers would feel betrayed.
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We're not talking about free buses.
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We're talking about dipping into the rainy day fund.
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We're not talking about taxing millionaires, we're talking
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about taxing working class people.
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Well, I am talking about taxing millionaires.
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What we need to do is reckon with the structural nature of
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this and put ourselves back on the kind of footing that allows
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us to advance an agenda. The budget gap is mainly due to
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ballooning rental assistance programs and spending to reduce
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class sizes in schools. The main.
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Mayor says he's already working to find savings throughout city
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government, but budget observers like the Citizens Budget
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Commission call a wealth tax versus property tax debate a
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false choice. Well, Pastor Mark and Steven, I
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feel like we are just seeing that socialism works, like we're
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just seeing a flourishing state, a flourishing city.
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It is beautiful what's happening in New York.
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Everywhere socialism goes, it just absolutely works incredibly
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well. History proves it and so it's so
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wise to continue the the experiment.
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It's fantastic. It is in.
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I'm curious why that? Doesn't the Gospel teach
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socialism? What's really wild is so he he's
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been in office how long? Well, since January.
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So what are we, seven weeks? It's already ending.
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That was such a classic clip. I mean, you couldn't have
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written that back December any better than what they just did
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there. Yeah, we're seven weeks in and
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it's not working. It's.
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Not working seven weeks. Like you could still get an
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annulment if this was a marriage I mean.
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Maybe this city should ask for that.
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So it's already the highest income tax rate for high
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earners, It's already 15% there. So Seattle and New York have got
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socialistic mayors running on the same agenda, and they're
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both just breakneck speed trying to determine who can do insanity
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fastest. And so, yeah, in Seattle,
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they're looking at within the city, going to 19% income tax
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would supersede New York. So right now, Seattle and New
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York, it's like, who can be the most drunk driver in America?
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Who can, you know, who can blow the highest blood alcohol level?
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I mean, it's wild, but this is what happens when you hire a guy
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who has no business experience whatsoever, and he's never run a
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company. He's never had payroll, never
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had cash flow, doesn't understand business whatsoever.
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You give him the biggest city in America and then it's a
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sanctuary city. So you open it up, people come
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in #1 now you're driving up housing prices because it's a
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supply demand situation. Now people can't afford housing,
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so now the government's going to subsidize housing.
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Now you've got people that have not financially contributed to
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the city and they're needing schools and services and they
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are draining and depleting the city.
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And all of this is just self-inflicted.
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And and on top of it all, you've got a guy who's a socialist,
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which is a violation of the 8th commandment.
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Thou shalt not steal. And if you own something and the
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government takes it, they are negating private property
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ownership and through taxation you are disobeying and defying
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God and the 8th commandment. And so this is just, you don't
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even need to believe in Jesus. You need to believe in math, you
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need to believe in history, you need to believe in reality.
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And if you do believe in God, you know that actually he'll
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never bless this because it's completely Antichrist and it's
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against what the Scriptures teach.
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We've talked about this a little bit.
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It feels like the Islam Muslims, they're they're treating the
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liberals as useful idiots and like we're destroying one of the
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most flourishing cities. For the longest time, the stock
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market, the that's it was the the hub for immigration and for
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a lot of the financial system is, is in New York and we're
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taking it and pushing all the wealthy businessmen and
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conservatives out. Trump, Trump towers there.
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It's he'd been there most of his life and he can't be there now.
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What's behind all that? Why are we pushing out some of
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the best men in these cities? It's interesting because you, as
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you bring up New York, there you have the two opposite
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perspectives of money. You got Wall Street, you got the
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movie Greed. You have that idea and then you
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swing all the way to the other side and you have a completely
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different form of greed, which is government.
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Great. And the clip started off by him
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saying and that the middle class and the working class, they
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didn't create this problem. What didn't go on to say is who
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did create the problem, which was the government itself.
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And then he went on to try to create more government solutions
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while not addressing the core issue which he actually brought
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up. He said this is a structural
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problem, but by that what he means is capitalism, not a
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structural problem of government overreach through theft.
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Well, and for those that are Christians, so the, the
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discussion among younger progressives is rich versus
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poor, which is completely Marxist.
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And, and it's, it's, it's a debate that's atheistic and its
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origination, and I've said it for a long time, but there are
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four kinds of people in the Bible.
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It comes to money. There's righteous rich and
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righteous poor. There's unrighteous rich and
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there's unrighteous poor. And in the left, they
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automatically assume that rich people are unrighteous and poor
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people are righteous. You can have very righteous rich
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people. You've got guys like Abraham
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who's very wealthy. You know, ultimately, just
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because someone has wealth, they may have worked hard, they may
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have invested. This may be generational, you
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know, obedience to God and and inheritance.
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You can have very wealthy, very righteous people.
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You can have poor people that are very unrighteous.
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They're not working, they're dependent.
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They are not intending to get married and, you know, father
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their own children. And, and a lot of this I would
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put on the doorstep of fatherlessness that ultimately,
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when you have a community that doesn't have men, then all of a
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sudden to replace those men, you need a gigantic government.
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But the problem with the government is if the men aren't
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working, there's no one to tax to pay for the government to do
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the work that the men should be doing.
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And so ultimately, as a Bible believing pastor, I see all of
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this is if Christianity was functionally in place, these
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problems would cease to exist. And so ultimately, it's a
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spiritual, it's a spiritual issue.
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It's people who don't know our God and don't worship our God
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and don't believe in our God. And instead, they either believe
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in Islam or they believe in Marxism, both of which are
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bankrupt ideologies. And, and I mean, if we're seven
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weeks in, imagine what New York could look like in four years.
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Well, we can't imagine. If you've been to Europe anytime
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lately, you probably can right in in what and where this stuff
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and the trajectory of this stuff heads.
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And what you said a few moments ago, it's the exact opposite of
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the plan that God lays out in the Bible.
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And so they're really just living out their own sin and
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they're going to see the destructive nature of it.
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So what advice you guys are both pastors, what advice would you
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give the people of of New York, the people that are living
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there, maybe, maybe the faithful Christians that are still there?
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Yeah, like our friend Mike Signorelli, who's there slugging
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it out. I mean, I'm just texting with
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him this week. He's in Gotham.
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He's trying to lead people to Jesus.
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He's in the fight, you know, But man alive, he's fighting
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gravity. And the thought of.
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So part of it, too, is I'm at the age now where I'm a grandpa.
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And so I start to think about not what's going to work for me,
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but what's going to work for my grandkids.
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And you start to look at certain cities, Seattle, Portland, NY,
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Minneapolis. And you ask, OK, what is it
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going to be like in 20 years when your son, who's 2, cowboy
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just, you know, left the ranch here in 20 years, let's say when
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he goes to get married? At this trajectory, what does it
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look like for a family to buy a house, to have multiple
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children, maybe for mom to stay home with the kids and be
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primary caregiver? Is it a sustainable future?
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And so people will hang in there for a long time.
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But once it starts to rob your kids and grandkids of a viable
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future, I think as a man in the head of household, I think you
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have a you have you have a decision to make.
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And that is, I need to leave for the sake of the future.
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Yeah, and if you're This is why a lot of the guys in the Bible,
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Paul, Jesus, Jeremiah, you know, Elijah, certain dudes are single
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and God sends those guys into impossible situations to have
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the head on collisions. But you know, you can imagine
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the apostle Paul or Elijah if they had a, you know, a stroller
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with twins in it. I mean, it's just, it's not a
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it's not a viable life. It just isn't.
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And so once you get married and once you start thinking about
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generational legacy, it becomes really hard to justify staying
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in a place like this. And if you're a pastor, you are
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a pastor in Seattle. And we were just back there and
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like, it's, it's tough and it's dark and it's getting darker.
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What advice would you have for pastors to pray through their
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calling and figure out next steps for their family in trying
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to lead and shepherd and lead a flock?
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Because it doesn't seem like there's a sustainable future for
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people's kids in these places. There aren't and as they as they
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continue to increase, not only like income tax within property
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tax. You know, if, if you're, if
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you're a head of household, you just reach a point where even if
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you love your city and you want to reach people for Christ, you
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can't, you can't afford it. Well, we know a great gentleman
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up in Seattle is property tax is now 2 grand a month.
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That's rent in Arizona. Unlike a $600,000 house.
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So if you bought that house, you know, when interest rates were
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low a few years ago, that's your mortgage.
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Totally. And what that means is you
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actually never own your home or your land.
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The government does, and you're renting it from them in
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perpetuity. And $2000 is the floor.
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It's only going to go up from here.
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It doesn't ever go down. That's why DeSantis is floating
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the possibility of trying to eliminate property taxes.
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I think it would be wise. Yeah.
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And so, you know, if you're in a place like that and you're a
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pastor, you know, reduce your debt, increase your security,
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have a, a place that is a bit of an arc for your family.
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And, and if need be, you may need at some point to live
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somewhere and come in for ministry.
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And that is like a missionary, but that is ultimately not your
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home for your family. Yeah, 100%.
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And you're 45 minutes or 45 miles South of Detroit, which is
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another one of the hubs. We're really seeing this.
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What? What are you feeling?
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What are you seeing? Yeah, I mean, so we we see as
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much of the the Islam stuff as we see the socialism stuff.
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But I think with in particular to the socialism stuff to remind
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ourselves that this is an intentional plan.
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They know what they're doing. They're they're intentionally
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defunding the ability for the family to thrive.
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And so they're trying to ruin where mom can stay home.
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They're trying to destroy any ability to build wealth.
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And if you talk to European brothers and sisters in Christ
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who are trying to fund gospel centered style churches, these
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they can't do it. Why?
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Because nobody has any money. And so you never own a home.
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You never get to build any wealth.
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You certainly have nothing to pass on to another generation.
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It is a targeted attack. You use things like taxation in
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order to bankrupt these people and eventually you strip the
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gospel and churches out of these places.
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I think what you just said, Pastor Mark, is right on.
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If I'm a pastor in there, I just have to understand where I'm at,
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where you at? You're, you're and you can seek
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the welfare of the city. You're allowed to do that.
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They weren't allowed to leave, but when they were given the
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option to leave, they did. And so it's both can be OK
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options. You just have to decide what
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you're going to do. But what you're probably not
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going to do if you stay in New York is have a financially
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sustainable ministry, environment or leave anything to
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your kids because you're not going to have anything left.
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Yeah, yeah. And, and in that too, it is, you
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know, I love cities, but at the end of the day, family is what
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matters, you know, and like I, I did 2 decades of tour of duty
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and the CHOP, you know, section of the People's Republic of
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Seattle. And if we would have stayed
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there, I know everybody's story is different.
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I know for a fact that our kids and grandkids would not have
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stayed there. Like Len is my son-in-law and
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like you wouldn't, you wouldn't be there raising your your, you
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wouldn't have your family raise your son there.
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Because I wouldn't think my son will have my grandkids there,
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and that would be devastating. If my son has to leave the
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state, I'm raising a family and to go have his own kids.
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I want to be in a place where I see generations.
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Yeah. A future.
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Yeah. Just looking at it currently,
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we're at around 5 million Muslims in the country and
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that's looking to grow because they're putting more people in
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the future than Christians are. They are.
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Be fruitful and multiply. They grabbed our verse.
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So this is this is the point I was I was trying to make earlier
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is so the Muslims and Islam were they're using the liberal agenda
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to get rid of America because the families can't flourish, but
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their families can and they're they're just trying to out.
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They're really good at business. Very good a business.
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Very good a business. They they build wealth and they
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do it in a ways where sometimes even can make us feel
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uncomfortable in in certain tactics, but they're very
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intentional. We're going to build wealth,
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we're going to pass it down because it's going to be through
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economic means. And then we're going to that
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we're going to take over. And they use the liberals to
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open up the door right to allow them.
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And they use soft liberal language.
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And then they they have a heyday.
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Well, sometimes they mass wealth through corruption.
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And I know that sounds, you know, bigoted, but just go to
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Minneapolis. You've got an entire subculture
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community that is Muslim, not assimilated, now is reportedly
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doing genital mutilation of their daughters and whole
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sections of the town operating under Sharia law, operating in
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corruption and fraud to take from a nation that they've not
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contributed to. And at the end of the day, you
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could say diversity is our strength, but that diversity
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does not strengthen anything. No, no, that's where as a pastor
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myself, I'm, I'm just very concerned looking into the
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future, that if pastors don't wake up to the problem and they
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don't start talking about politics and we'll get into that
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later. We're going to have a situation
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on our hands in a, in a generation or two where the
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Islam is planning for generations and we're worried
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about the next. We can't plan for the next 7
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weeks. The agenda is not working.
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It's killing America. So yeah, it's it's.
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It's highly concerning. It's.
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Highly concerning. And, you know, the pastors that
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are still arguing over Calvinism versus Arminianism or speaking
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in songs or speaking tongues or traditional worship or
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contemporary worship is like you're on the cutting edge of
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the 1850s. Really need to catch up.
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For sure. Yeah.
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For sure. Well, wasn't there a survey that
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came out a couple of weeks ago? It might have been a couple of
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months ago now that one of the top concerns for evangelical
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moms was a discussion around Islam.
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And who's having this conversation?
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A handful of churches, maybe across the.
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Country. But not nearly enough to handle
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a top issue from the very audience that we're supposed to
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be serving. Yeah, well, and that's where to
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the the pulpit has been turned into previously largely
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psychological self help principles for better living,
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not Christian worldview. And so Jesus really doesn't
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apply to politics, economics, cultural, social issues,
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marriage, gender, family. It's about, you know, you having
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personal fulfillment or satisfaction or achievement.
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And it's like, well, Christ is more than a life coach and the
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Bible has more than just, you know, fortune cookie, you know,
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altruisms to sort of motivate you until lunch.
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I mean it. And so there's a diminished view
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of the dominion and sovereignty of God over all things.
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And it's a very small view of God.
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It is and it, and it's shameful in the pulpit and, and to the a
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lot of the churches like the, the governance is set up that
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the pastor has to stay out of trouble.
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Otherwise, he gets in trouble with the board, he gets in
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trouble with the denomination, he gets in trouble with the
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network. And so most, most pastors are,
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are very soft, they're very quiet, they're very weak and,
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and as a result, their people are starving to death and they
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have a lot of big questions. And if the church won't answer
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them then, then where else do you go?
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Go ahead. And it as you were talking
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about, it's a, it's a lot of that Hezekiah mindset.
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Well, I'm going to be OK. Screw the next generation and
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and. So selfish.
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It is you have all these pastors, they've got their jobs,
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they've got their paychecks. And so why, why, you know,
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shake, shake things up or, or speak the truth because I might
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lose my gig, I might lose my job.
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And what we did over the last 40 years is we took all of that
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self help stuff and we threw it on a bunch of Christians who
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actually had been pretty well doctrinally trained.
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And so the church could stay strong for a while because they
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were they were strong. But then you give them 30 years
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of candy and the church gets weak.
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And so then to a weak church, the leftist agenda blows and
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knocks it over just like that. The fact that we have to have a
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conversation around is socialism biblical?
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Is all the evidence that we need.
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Most of the people will say it's the most loving, loving your
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neighbor thing to do. Yeah, because they haven't been
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taught anything in the last 30 to 40 years of proper doctrine
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that would allow them to say, well, no, there's some pretty
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easy arguments against that. Socialism isn't biblical.
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I mean it was in Jesus's like top 4 sermon rotation was money
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and finances and stewardship, and it's not in any of the
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pastor's top 4. Anymore or just read Genesis 1
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and two. Yeah, it it makes it pretty
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secure perimeter of Mar A Lago carrying a shotgun and a gas
20:24
can, and he was fatally shot as after he raised his weapon.
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It wasn't well planned. Trump was in Washington at the
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time and just tangentially, but Ryan Routh, who tried to make an
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attempt on Trump in 2024, was sent sentenced to life plus 84
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months. I don't know what they extra 84
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months are for, but for his assassination attempt.
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But we're seeing young men attack Trump and ruin their
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entire life. I mean, this, this kid, child
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lost his life. You have a son about this age.
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And I mean, Oh my gosh, that if you got that call that your son
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decided to go make a try to make a statement and.
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This is where you're seeing you're seeing mental health.
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I mean, this is a this is AI don't know the guy obviously,
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but like this is a mental health issue.
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When, when you read something on the Internet and you say, I'm
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going to grab a rifle and a gas can and walk into Meryl Largo,
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you, you have mental health. I mean, this is death by cop.
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This is this is not a tactical plan.
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This is this is just emotional knee jerk response to somebody
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who has been online too much. 100% And it it's really
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interesting that the media response, CNN covered it for 18
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seconds and no other major show touched it.
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And it was an assassination attempt on the president.
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So we're just seeing the the left kind of accepts the
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violence and things like the we saw the horrible response to the
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Charlie Kirk assassination and then the attempts on Trump's
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life. Very, very sad.
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But yeah, we're seeing young men just devastate their lives with
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mental health, demonic issues, the trans agenda, all that where
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they'll they will die for this cause.
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And it does not seem rational or ground.
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A lot of the school shooters, they're all trans.
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I mean, there's a high percentage that are trans and we
22:13
and we know that. And even the guy who shot up,
22:15
you know, the, the hockey match recently, I mean, he's, he's
22:20
trans. I mean, it's like it's mental
22:21
health, it's demonic confusion, and sometimes it's poisoning of
22:25
the body with hormones and then people act out in insane ways.
22:30
But we're in a culture that's saying we cannot say that mental
22:34
health is bad. We need to affirm it.
22:36
It's like, no, if we really love people, we need to say you have
22:39
mental health issues and you need some help.
22:42
We don't need to value you. We we need to help you.
22:46
Where would you draw the line past the mark between a demonic
22:50
issue and a mental health issue? Like, how do you, how do you
22:52
discern that? So this is, it's a very, very
22:55
blurry line. And so you know a human being,
22:58
you know, you, you've got a body, you've got a soul, you've
23:00
got the material and the immaterial part of your
23:02
existence. And these are not
23:05
compartmentalized. You're, you're one person in two
23:09
parts. And so like the DSM, the
23:11
Diagnostic Statistical Manual of Mental Health Disorders, it
23:15
mentions the human soul 0 times. It does not recognize that you
23:20
have an immaterial portion of your existence.
23:23
Well, that means that all you're doing is treating half of a
23:26
human being with any condition that's not actually helping
23:29
them. So only Christianity and
23:32
Christian worldview and prayer and regeneration and ministry,
23:35
the Holy Spirit, those are the only things that really actually
23:38
help a whole person. And, and so, but where is that
23:43
line? It's very, very, very, very
23:45
blurry. I mean, what people are hearing
23:48
voices, is that them having negative self talk or is that,
23:52
you know, is that demonic? I mean, if they're hearing, you
23:54
know, to kill someone to harm themselves, to do evil, like is
23:59
that just that they have a negative self esteem and a poor
24:01
inner dialogue? Or is that literally that Satan
24:04
is speaking to them, that the demonic is actually
24:07
communicating with them? And, and, and again, if you talk
24:10
about this in the mainstream with psychologists that only
24:13
treat the body, they think it's crazy, but you're starting to
24:16
see people that have genuine demonic manifestations and they
24:21
believe that what they're doing is actually noble, right and
24:24
good. And it's just pure evil.
24:26
It's, it's murderous victims everywhere.
24:29
I mean, even with the assassination, you know of, of
24:31
Charlie Kirk, friend of mine, I mean, it just seems to like a
24:35
lot of the violence just keeps coming from the left.
24:37
Yeah, Why do you do you feel like the left is inspiring
24:40
political violence and hatred towards the right?
24:43
Well, so if someone is wrong, you disagree with them.
24:45
If someone is evil, you to be moral and just, you have to stop
24:48
them. And so now it used to be the
24:51
Christianity was seen as dumb or wrong or irrelevant or it works
24:54
for you. Christianity Today is now seen
24:57
as immoral, unjust. The God of the Bible is a moral
25:01
monster. It's patriarchal, it's
25:02
chauvinistic, it's it's anti woman, it's anti-gay, it's anti
25:06
trans. Therefore it's oppressive.
25:08
And so if if the Bible and the world view that it provides is
25:11
evil, you are morally obligated to war against it and stop it.
25:17
And So what you're seeing on the hard left is the attack on
25:20
Christian values and beliefs is what is called justice.
25:27
Gosh, and leftist movements have always gone toward violence.
25:32
They always do. It's our political structure and
25:34
our justice structure that we've had up until this point that has
25:38
stopped it from going further. But left wing movements going
25:42
violent is not anything new in human history.
25:45
This is always gone this way. You, you never go a little left.
25:48
And so you open up the door, you're just going to keep
25:51
walking down it. So do you think that as a
25:53
pastor, I mean, we, we pastor churches, that pastors and
25:57
churches should really be taking a hard, serious look at
26:00
security, security checkpoints, just making sure the houses of
26:04
worship are safe and protected for God's people to be together.
26:09
Yeah. And I'm sure both of our
26:10
churches have a pretty robust security plans.
26:12
I know people do. But I mean, it is part of our
26:14
obligation to to keep the the flock safe.
26:17
And this is a, it's a new, you know, a new frontier in this
26:21
way. Fortunately, these things are
26:23
still relatively rare, but they're increasing.
26:26
And and so I think we have to increase at that same rate.
26:29
Yeah, but the the average church is very soft target.
26:33
Yes, the average church. The average church.
26:36
Yes. And, and I think, you know,
26:39
churches like, like ours, where you're more outspoken, where
26:41
you're speaking the truth, those types of things, obviously
26:44
security should be high. And I would also imagine that
26:47
that churches like ours too, that we're taking, we're taking
26:50
the stuff seriously and knowing our, our people are at risk.
26:54
Yeah, I, I think even the churches that you got the gun
26:59
toting alpha males, we all think we're going to respond well,
27:03
yeah, but without training in in a shooting, I I don't know that
27:08
most Christians are going to respond like they think they're
27:10
going to. We watch that in Texas a few
27:12
years ago, guy drove into the drove into the church, got out,
27:15
shot a bunch of people, including the pastor's daughter,
27:17
got back in his truck and left. In Texas, everyone's like, oh,
27:20
in Texas, we all got guns. Everyone freezes and you fall to
27:23
the level of your training in a moment like that.
27:25
So I think you can't over emphasize enough that churches
27:29
need to run drills, do training, be equipped and equip their men
27:33
to handle situations. You've got a good friend, John
27:36
Level, that does some of this training.
27:38
It's got a full curriculum for churches.
27:40
Free resource. They can have it all for free.
27:42
We could put that in the comments.
27:44
John's a wonderfully fantastic man.
27:46
Yeah. So in moments like that, yeah,
27:48
we fall to our level of training and churches need to take it
27:51
serious, not just, oh, we all have guns because most men
27:54
freeze in moments like that. And we don't want to.
27:56
We want to be the men that protect women and children.
27:58
We'll see what just happened even in there was in Minneapolis
28:01
where people just walk in took over a whole service and so they
28:04
shut the service down and all the Christians left.
28:06
I'm like you just surrendered dominion of your church.
28:09
But the pastor came out with a good statement and later and
28:11
seems like a decent guy and all that.
28:12
I get it. But like man alive you, you've
28:15
got to have a plan and the plan can't be.
28:17
We'll let them take over and then we'll go meet and come up
28:20
with a plan. Yeah, I mean, if a shepherd's
28:22
plan for their flock was all the wolves, come, let me well, here,
28:26
here's the sheep. Like that's not a shepherd's
28:28
heart. So shepherd's need to protect
28:30
their flock in every sense of that word.
28:33
So, yeah, we're not we're not seeing pastors ready for it.
28:36
And I think people need to dial up to to 10 on the seriousness
28:40
of security of their church. And you, you do trainings with
28:43
with the guys, so you're equipped, so they're equipped,
28:46
so. You need concentric circles,
28:48
security perimeter checkpoints, you need people that are
28:51
trained, you need people on COM so they can communicate, You
28:54
need the right technology. And if you're in a, you know, an
28:57
urban area, hire an off duty cop, put their patrol car out
29:00
front, put them out there with the vest on.
29:02
And all the good guys are like, glad to see you.
29:04
And all the bad guys are like, I guess we're not going here.
29:07
Yep, Yep, we're in the country and we do that and we got the
29:09
car parked out right in front of the church every single week,
29:12
right? That armed a guy in his uniform
29:14
sitting out there. It's also a unique and new
29:16
opportunity for a lot of guys who are in military or in in any
29:21
kind of policing, anything like that, to serve in their church.
29:24
Total. Percent.
29:25
And now they get a chance to do it, and they do it in a way that
29:27
they know how to do. 100% yeah, that's a that's a really good
29:30
word. It's you get out of the military
29:32
and you want to find a purpose. And that's, that's a huge need.
29:35
And if your church doesn't have security, go offer to the senior
29:39
pastor. If you're, if you're out of the
29:40
military and you're trying to find a way to serve and you
29:42
don't fit on the greeting team, ask your pastor if you can start
29:45
a security team and go watch Pastor John Lovell's courses on
29:49
it and build a structure and protect your church.
29:51
It's going to get more and more important.
29:53
Yeah, because and of course that being heard of it is we're only
29:56
responsible for that which God has given us dominion for.
29:59
Yes. So like I don't have dominion
30:01
over Mar a Lago. Now that's not my
30:03
responsibility. But like your church, my
30:05
whatever our dominion is, that's our sphere of responsibility.
30:09
And we need to, we need to exercise dominion.
30:12
We need to secure the areas that God has given us authority and
30:14
oversight. And and if everybody does that,
30:17
you know, we'll start covering more of the gaps.
30:19
And if we don't, we've got a real problem.
30:21
But like, I know you can go through Bible college and go
30:23
through seminar. I know for a fact there's
30:25
nothing on security, there's nothing on conflict, there's
30:30
nothing on PR, there's nothing, There's nothing.
30:33
I'm like all the things a shepherd should do.
30:36
It's not part of the training. And so you walk out, you're
30:38
like, I lived on a secure environment, Bible college or
30:41
seminary campus. Surrounded by beta males.
30:44
Yeah, they had. No, I just was told to just get
30:47
up and teach the Bible. It's like, well, I'll tell you
30:49
right now, if, if you don't know how to do more than that, you
30:52
are, you are a risk to your people.
30:55
A. 100 percent, 100%. Well, Speaking of safety,
31:01
security and making arrests, really, the UK has made the
31:06
first arrests in EU in the absentee files.
31:08
So let's check out who they have arrested.
31:12
The state, the police have arrested Andrew Mountbatten
31:16
Windsor. It's an extraordinary,
31:18
extraordinary revelation and development on this story
31:22
involving the Epstein files and all the allegations that have
31:24
been swirling around about Andrew over the many years from
31:28
Virginia Giuffre, now sadly deceased and since then, and
31:32
certainly what's been contained in the Epstein files as released
31:35
in the last few weeks. But the police have arrived at
31:38
Sandringham Estate this morning where Andrew has made his new
31:42
home. It's his 66th birthday today.
31:45
What a birthday present that is. He has been arrested by the
31:50
police, of course, the brother of the current King, the second
31:54
son of our late Queen Elizabeth. This is an extraordinary
31:57
development. Those of us have been talking an
31:59
awful lot about establishment cover ups and lack of, shall we
32:03
say, interest by the police in what are very, very serious
32:07
allegations against Andrew. Perhaps they're pleased that
32:10
that pressure is finally being put on the police and they have
32:14
done the job of actually looking into these issues seriously.
32:17
Must bear in mind, of course, that the the Prince has not been
32:20
charged with any crime at this point and he has always denied
32:23
any wrongdoing in relation to any of the allegations.
32:28
So first royal arrest in 400 years.
32:31
That's, I mean it seems like the UK is going to make an example
32:35
out of him and kind of an example for the entire world on
32:38
how to handle this. What are your guys thoughts just
32:40
initially seeing that? That's a bad birthday for one.
32:45
Really bad hope that's not actually at 60.
32:47
Six birthday, that's that's bad. I mean, it does seem like
32:51
they're trying to make an example.
32:52
I think that, but an example in a good way is a good thing.
32:57
And so let's hope that it is an example that other people will
33:00
take seriously. And it looks like maybe in our
33:02
own country we need to take it a little bit more seriously.
33:04
It feels like in our own country, we're just, we're not
33:07
really sure what to do with it. And the people want stuff done
33:10
with it, but the government doesn't know what to do with it
33:12
because it would strip out most of the system if they dealt with
33:15
it. But yeah.
33:16
Pastor Mark what? What are your thoughts seeing
33:18
that I mean? So this is one of those issues
33:21
that was kind of out on the fringe and conspiracy theorists
33:25
and then just continually is moving right into the center and
33:29
is undeniable. I mean, that's where we're at
33:32
right now. And what's really shocking about
33:36
it all is you just don't know how far it goes.
33:39
I mean, you know, there, there's continuing to be dated dumped.
33:43
Now we find that there's, you know, additional data.
33:46
The amount of data this man kept or those with him kept is really
33:49
wild for the amount of the, the audacity of the crimes and evils
33:53
that they're committing and then to, you know, sort of capture
33:56
and retain, all of that is breathtaking.
33:59
Usually when you're that evil and maniacal, you, you try to
34:02
hide it, not to revisit it and to record it.
34:06
And for the average person, it seems to me like what's driving
34:10
this is like, if there's not moral outrage for this, then
34:14
what is their moral outrage for? I mean, my friend Steve Days, he
34:18
said, you know, Epstein was these are guys that treated
34:21
children like chew toys, you know, and it's, it's just a,
34:25
it's a violence. And when it's a violence against
34:28
women, but especially underage with girls that are, that are
34:35
being exploited because of vulnerability, because of
34:38
poverty or some sort of need. And then you have men who are in
34:41
positions of extraordinary power and wealth who are gaming the
34:46
system to do that, which is unspeakable and diabolical.
34:51
And then for nothing to happen, I mean, it's the best of my
34:54
knowledge in the US, we don't have an arrest.
34:56
No. Nobody, nobody.
34:59
Now there's certain guys are like, oh, I got caught saying I
35:01
like the rape video, so I'll sell my company and then retire,
35:05
which is like, OK, that's it. Like you get not a pay penance
35:08
moment. Yeah, like Justice.
35:10
Like you cash out and go to Belize.
35:12
I mean, that's, that's not there's no justice in that.
35:14
So what you're seeing in this, we're made the image and likes
35:16
of God with the conscience. And even if you don't believe in
35:20
God and even if you don't like, you know, law and order, when
35:23
you see evil, the conscience in you appeals to some external
35:28
standard of right and wrong and you want justice.
35:30
So even now the average person is like, I don't believe in God
35:33
and I believe in right and wrong, but this is just evil and
35:36
how come we're not doing something?
35:38
So what you're seeing here, people made in God's image when
35:41
it's so obvious that it's undeniable.
35:44
That's where there's this public outrage and outcry.
35:48
And you know, I voted for Trump and I, I'm glad that we have the
35:51
president that we do. But the administration's
35:54
handling of this is not endearing them to their base,
35:59
and it's not building trust with the base.
36:02
It's like if, if, if this is an issue that doesn't get some
36:05
attention and traction, then what does?
36:07
I mean, what? What other kind of horrific
36:09
abuse could there be that would move those in power to expose it
36:14
and to bring to justice those who are responsible for it?
36:17
Yeah, and you made the parallel a couple weeks ago.
36:20
Jeffrey Epstein Ahab, his wife Jezebel.
36:25
The seeking of power and control through sexual sin and deviance.
36:29
Of politics and money. 100% And you look across this, I mean,
36:33
they've got Princess and presidents and like some of the
36:37
most powerful men in the world are named in this list.
36:41
In this list, there's a lot of influence and power in the
36:45
political world and donors and all that stuff.
36:49
I'd be really curious what's happening behind the scenes to
36:51
keep the stuff suppressed and not dealt with from favors being
36:56
called in and pressure being put on and threats happening.
36:59
Like they, they seem so mixed in with so many different buckets
37:03
of people from the UK to our, to donors in the in the country to
37:07
presidents to I mean, even like this week, I think it was last
37:11
week Trump came out or it came out that Trump put the FBI on to
37:16
Epstein back in the early 2000 was like, this guy's a bad dude.
37:20
But that hasn't come out till now.
37:21
So there's like why? Why is it such a slow drip of
37:24
information? And why is it a denial of
37:27
information and then a dumping of information?
37:30
Is very weird. So and then, and then at some
37:32
point, you know, you don't trust the news anymore and you wonder
37:34
what's conspiratorial and what's actually factual.
37:36
But like they're saying, you know, now there's storage
37:39
lockers across the country that have more evidence that needs to
37:42
be seized. And there's a ranch in New
37:43
Mexico, but they don't know anything about.
37:45
And it's got, you know, a chimney coming out of it.
37:48
And it may have an incinerator for the girls that they
37:50
murdered. And you could have you have
37:52
murder, you know, and body dumping.
37:55
And you're just. We see Madame's mom there with
37:57
Jeffrey Epstein. He's just like, well, hey, could
38:00
we please make this a priority And just like.
38:02
Deal with. It to the bottom of it and let
38:04
us know like exactly what this is.
38:07
So. It's the category of the
38:08
demonic, like this is just demonic, it's satanic, this is
38:12
evil. This is beyond a human being in
38:15
their sinful fallen nature doing some disgusting things like this
38:20
is this is hell. Come up for a visit.
38:24
Do you feel like does the conservative, does the
38:26
Republican side have a chance to for re election in midterms and
38:32
in 2028 if they don't deal with this?
38:36
Well, so, yeah, with the midterms coming, I mean, if you
38:38
want to pull anybody in the middle, the issue is the economy
38:42
and it's inflation, it's affordability, it's housing.
38:44
Those are the issues. They're very practical.
38:46
If you're looking at the far right voter base, it is issues
38:51
of justice and things like the Epstein files are like, hey, we
38:54
we voted you in and you said you would deliver.
38:57
Where's the results? And there and there it's trust
39:00
and credibility and, and in leadership, it's always down to
39:03
trust. Like can I trust you?
39:05
If I appoint you to do something, will you freaking do
39:08
it? And if not, then then you no
39:10
longer have my support. Well, voter, voter and midterms
39:14
are always about voter turn out and I think that's the big
39:16
danger here. Yeah, 34% of Christians are
39:18
registered to vote. They actually do vote.
39:20
About 50% are registered to vote, 34% actually vote.
39:24
Yeah. And I don't know when, when they
39:26
vote, if that's in presidentials or what.
39:28
It's almost once every four years.
39:29
Yeah, please skip the midterm. Yes.
39:30
And midterms, again are all about voter turn out.
39:33
And so when you're at the top, you're asking questions of the
39:36
president, you're asking questions of the attorney
39:39
general, you're asking questions of the FBI director.
39:41
You have to think that somewhere down the line that suppresses
39:44
voter turn out in midterm elections.
39:45
And so we have important congressional elections,
39:48
important senator elections, important gubernatorial.
39:50
Elections. That are going to dictate what
39:53
the rest of the next two years look like and what Trump is able
39:57
to do before 28. And so if they don't handle this
40:02
stuff and you know, conservative base that when you're just
40:06
talking about the love of justice doesn't turn out.
40:08
And then you could be handing the House, you could be handing
40:10
Senate seats that you're not going to get back for six years.
40:12
Well, in states like Arizona, I mean, attorney generals,
40:15
governors, I mean, we learned during COVID that your attorney
40:18
general and your governor are incredibly important because you
40:22
could be living in one of two Americas.
40:25
And so those midterm elections are crucial.
40:27
So like for us in Arizona, like right now, I mean, we have a
40:30
clown show for a governor and an attorney general.
40:34
And if we don't fix the problem, then we're just a suburb of
40:37
California. Yeah, yeah, We see similar in
40:41
Ohio. We've got a, we got a
40:42
gubernatorial election and where they are COVID Dr. is running on
40:47
the Democratic ticket. I mean, she basically just wants
40:50
to bring us back to 2020, right? And then on the other side, we
40:53
have Vivek Ramaswami who's running for the Republican side.
40:56
Then we have a senatorial election that Ohio just won
41:00
back. And if we hand that back over to
41:02
the the left, that's six years then of congestion in the
41:06
Senate. And so this is a, it's an
41:08
important midterm, like every election seems to be important
41:10
now. And I do think this issue needs
41:12
to be they need it for something out.
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That's gold code.com/realfaith. I think that brings us to our
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final segment on pastors being involved in politics, pastors
42:24
preaching truth and getting bold and courageous.
42:28
We're seeing a world that's getting dark.
42:31
Our country's getting dark fast. Feels like we could be a
42:33
generation away from, I mean, this thing failing, this big
42:37
experiment of America failing, which was founded on great
42:40
values, founded on freedom of religion, founded by some really
42:43
good men that believe that we could do it a different way.
42:46
And we are, we are following, following into the demonic, It
42:50
feels very, very quickly. And pastors are just watching it
42:53
go. And some of them are jumping
42:54
right in and supporting the way we're going.
42:57
So what is a pastor's role? Should they be talking about
42:59
politics in the pulpit? Yes.
43:04
All right, we're done. Yeah.
43:06
Absolutely should. But I think we have to ask the
43:07
question, why don't they? Yeah, because we can.
43:10
We can say yes, but we have to understand the reason they
43:13
don't. Sometimes it is just bad
43:15
doctrine and those who can sit down, you can talk with people,
43:18
you can work through some scripture and that might that
43:22
might change some minds. But really I think what is
43:24
deeper than that is because they have bought a lie.
43:28
The, the mega church era dominated the last 40 years of
43:31
American evangelicalism. And I, I think it died in 2020,
43:36
but it's, it's leg is kind of still twitching, right?
43:39
And, and so it still has an influence over people and people
43:42
still think that that's the era that we're in.
43:44
And so they're following the old playbook.
43:47
And the old playbook says, don't talk about politics.
43:50
It's the quickest way to ruin your church.
43:53
What we need to remember now is one that's actually
43:56
statistically not true. I think younger generations are
44:00
craving this. 80% of churchgoers want their pastor to talk about
44:04
it. But they want Charlie Kirk was a
44:06
generational phenomenon. He's like, I love Jesus and I'm
44:09
willing to talk about cultural, political issues.
44:12
And young people, especially young men, were like, praise
44:15
God, we were hoping someone would do this.
44:18
And we saw this big influx in the aftermath of the martyrdom
44:22
of Charlie Kirk, of young men showing up to church and very
44:26
few churches kept. Saying or doing anything?
44:28
Yeah. We saw a 25% influx in two weeks
44:31
and they did not leave. Most churches, they left yours,
44:36
they stayed yours. They stayed a good friend, Ryan
44:38
Visconti. He captured that growth because
44:40
he said the things the young men needed to hear, which is what
44:43
Charlie was saying, which was faith in politics.
44:46
You can't separate them. You can't separate them.
44:49
Why are so many pastors trying to separate them?
44:52
Again, because they've been trained, because they think that
44:55
this is the right way to do church.
44:57
Some of them really do just believe a lie that to to not
45:03
separate them. They're alienating the
45:05
unbeliever and and so they're, they're believing a lie.
45:08
Others of them, I think we're seeing this more and more.
45:11
They're actually just leftist and they don't want to be
45:14
exposed as leftist because their churches are still predominantly
45:17
funded by conservatives and one of the areas of Christianity
45:21
that is probably bugging me the most right now are the upper
45:26
middle class conservatives. Who are some bill funding these
45:30
weak or woke churches. It is time to leave to find the
45:34
Clear Truth Church in your area that is actually speaking what
45:38
needs to be spoken and start funding those things.
45:41
Yeah, and for me, when I didn't, I didn't grow up in the church.
45:44
I didn't grow up and it have been jonquilism.
45:46
I I really don't fit. I've gotten exited, which is
45:49
fine. It's great.
45:50
But I mean, I'm a Bible teacher. So like I'm an Exodus, which is
45:54
like my 40th book of the Bible that I preached or taught
45:56
through. And I think a lot of it too is a
46:00
lack of, I'll just call it a lack of expositional Bible
46:03
teacher. If you're going through a book
46:05
of the Bible, there are some issues you're just going to have
46:09
to deal with. Like I'm in Exodus early on.
46:12
Why does God crush Egypt? They want to kill the children
46:16
and deny religious liberty for worship.
46:18
And God's like, I'm pro-life and I'm pro religious freedom, so
46:21
I'm crushing Egypt. And I'm sure the Pharaoh would
46:24
have said, man, I wish God stayed out of politics.
46:26
He just crushed my economy, destroyed my nation and drowned
46:29
my army. It it felt rather political to
46:32
the Pharaoh, you know, And so and then you get into the 10
46:35
commandments, which is where I'm at right now.
46:36
It's like don't, don't take innocent life.
46:39
Well, we have to talk about the unborn because it's the leading
46:42
cause of death in America. You know, it talks about
46:46
adultery and it talks about the sanctity of marriage and the
46:49
establishing of family. And well, then that that has a
46:52
lot of political implications. You go over to the issue of, you
46:56
know, private property ownership.
46:57
Don't steal like that. That negates socialism and
47:00
communism. And so if you just preach
47:02
through books of the Bible and actually deal with the reality,
47:06
you end up having to explain in the biblical worldview things.
47:09
So like, and even the 10 commandments they're given
47:12
between Israel being occupied and Egypt being exited, and God
47:19
gives the 10 commandments because they're going to start a
47:21
nation. And he's like, OK, here's how it
47:24
starts. First, God is over government #2
47:27
we rule through law so that there's justice under the law
47:31
and #3 the laws need to promote life and marriage and family and
47:38
private property ownership. God's like those are the
47:40
foundational elements for a nation.
47:43
And if you say, well, I, I just, I teach the 10 commandments as
47:46
your personal moral piety, It's like it was actually given to a
47:48
few million people to found a nation.
47:50
And so to, to me, I, I could argue all day.
47:53
I could argue from Nehemiah, who works for the government.
47:55
I could work for Joseph, you know, who works for the
47:57
government. I could talk about Daniel who
47:59
serves multiple terms and multiple nations and political
48:03
entities. I mean, we just do this all day.
48:06
And, and at the end of the day, much of the backdrop of the
48:08
Bible is God versus government all the way down to Jezebel and
48:11
Ahab and, and issues in Israel. And so to me, the, the people
48:15
are going to just preach the gospel.
48:16
Take, we'll teach the Bible. And if you teach the Bible,
48:20
you're going to deal with issues that are culturally politically
48:23
implicated because they're in violation of the word of God.
48:27
And so to me, this is a do you believe in the inerrancy of
48:29
scripture? Are you a Bible teacher and
48:32
actually willing to connect the text to the context and teach
48:35
worldview? And if not, go get another
48:38
freaking job, because that's the job.
48:41
And a lot of times, a lot of the stories you're coming up, those
48:43
guys are coming up against demonic other religion.
48:46
Percent. And America's facing that.
48:48
And pastors aren't doing anything about it other than
48:51
what we should be accepting and love those people.
48:53
And I mean the I've been doing a bit of a deep dive on Islam and
49:00
like Muhammad belongs on that scene list.
49:02
He. He.
49:03
He. Has a he married a six year old
49:06
in his 50s? So you're in your 50s, you marry
49:09
a six year old and consummate when she's 9, and that's the
49:12
founder of the fastest growing religion in the world right now,
49:16
Yes. Who's held up as the picture of
49:18
the perfect man? Oh yeah, yeah, like pastors,
49:22
this one's not hard. People are outraged on the
49:24
Epstein list. Mohammed, like the founder of
49:28
Islam, openly admitted, and he did this and pastors aren't
49:33
saying a damn thing. There's a few great people, the
49:36
Sedras, who we'll see later, and a few people that are really
49:39
shouting it from the rooftops. Hey guys, you don't realize
49:41
what's coming for America right now.
49:43
They're putting more people in the future.
49:45
Pastors are like, here's the four ways to live a better life
49:48
right now. It's like, well, Nope, we're not
49:50
going to have a life to live in a couple decades.
49:53
When a lot of it is honestly, it's the failure of my
49:55
generation of pastors. They all went, they almost all
49:58
went woke or soft woke and they all adopted Third way
50:03
evangelicalism, which is, you know, don't go to the right,
50:05
don't go to the left, stay in the middle.
50:07
And the problem is, well, what about when the center moves far
50:10
to the left? Are you still in the middle?
50:11
Because what was going to be far left 20 years ago is now center
50:15
today. Like today, we're not talking
50:18
about Republicans and Democrats. We're talking about socialists.
50:22
Like we've added a whole nother category to the to the far left.
50:25
Bernie Sanders is close to the middle now.
50:27
I mean, it's wild and so, but it is a generation of pastors my
50:31
age that are now running Bible colleges and seminaries and
50:34
platforms and publishing houses and they are freaking worthless.
50:38
They are worthless cowards. And, and they're failing young
50:41
men and, and young men are needing to go into ministry.
50:45
And the best guys are not coming out of Bible college or
50:47
seminaries. They're coming out of the
50:49
military. They're coming out of law
50:50
enforcement. They're guys who've been on the
50:52
street and see the reality of a failed worldview and are willing
50:56
to have conflict and battle. And but my generation is a
51:00
damnable failure for pastoral leadership.
51:04
And most of them what they're doing today is it's, it's
51:08
actually laughable. I mean, the sermon series, the
51:12
pulling of all the punches, the neglecting of all of the issues.
51:15
And then the, the smarmy white knight virtue signaling on
51:18
social media. It's, it's, it is, it is
51:22
nauseating. I I'm ashamed of most of the
51:25
guys that I started in Ministry of I'm ABS.
51:28
I won't name them, but they're, they're just, they're shameful.
51:33
They are they, they truly are. So to a little bit of the
51:36
solution, the reason Stevens out is you're speaking at a
51:40
conference for first time in a couple years.
51:43
I don't leave home anymore. Your conference is the only
51:45
event I'm going to and like 2 years.
51:47
We're glad you are so if you are going to have a pole dancer like
51:50
a gay pole dancer after. He said we have to do it after
51:53
after. Him after him.
51:55
So the one of the reasons he's speaking there is because you're
51:58
making a difference and that's why he's going to go travel and
52:02
and do that. I'm going to Ohio in March.
52:05
That's right there. I know.
52:08
There's nobody going that way from.
52:10
Scott, you're the only one. Yeah, Yeah.
52:12
Tell us about your ministry. Tell us about clear truth.
52:15
Like what? What is the mission?
52:17
What? What are you seeing that the
52:18
world needs today? Well, clear truth has always
52:21
been about the unfiltered Word of God.
52:23
And in the last era of American evangelicalism, you could hide
52:27
understatements like, well, if the text brings it up, I'll talk
52:30
about it. Because if you only pick topical
52:32
sermon series, you never will never bring it up totally.
52:35
And so then you don't have to do anything controversial.
52:38
And so growing up in the, the mega church era, kind of growing
52:42
up in ministry, I sat right in that and I went to all the
52:46
conferences. I, I heard all of the, the talks
52:48
and, you know, leadership summit, everything else.
52:51
And it was always about church growth, church growth, church
52:54
growth and church growth isn't bad.
52:55
I love it when my church grows. I think we all do.
52:57
But how you obtain that church, church growth really matters.
53:00
And we sit in a time where we need a retraining of America's
53:05
pastors. And we also need to provide
53:09
content for the everyday believer that isn't woke in any
53:12
of our churches. You can still have good faithful
53:15
followers of Christ running to content from the last 10 to 20
53:18
years that is subtly moving them to the left.
53:21
And so we need a replacement there.
53:22
And we also need to stop perpetuating the problem.
53:25
We can't keep planting churches under the old mindset, the old
53:30
mindset that was transplanted through a lot of the leaders
53:32
that that Pastor Mark was just talking about.
53:35
If we keep planting those style of churches, we're never going
53:38
to solve the problem. And so Clear Truth was an
53:41
attempt to and is an attempt to begin to push things back in the
53:46
other direction, to challenge churches to stand for truth and
53:50
to proclaim the unfiltered Word of God, and to begin to look at
53:53
church through a new era and a new lens.
53:56
That's awesome. That's awesome.
53:58
And Pastor Mark, you do something similar training and
54:00
clipping pastors trying to trying to make a difference
54:03
right now. Yeah, and again, I mean, if
54:05
you're planting under an existing denomination or
54:07
network, the odds are you're getting resources, but you're
54:10
also not getting good advice on how to actually succeed.
54:15
I mean, I come from the future, you know, doing 20 years duty in
54:18
the chop zone in downtown Seattle.
54:21
Like all I know is conflict and head on collisions and being
54:24
controversial and getting in trouble.
54:26
And the new pastors just got to know that that is the reality
54:29
that we used to be a bright blue dot is now most of American
54:32
culture. And even if they don't live in
54:34
your town, they're going to find you online and they're going to
54:36
give you hell there. Yep.
54:37
And so one way or another, the fight is coming to you and.
54:41
If you're not controversial right now.
54:43
If you're not making some noise, you might not be true to the
54:46
gospel. Well, that's what I tell our
54:48
people all the time. I said, you're going to hear,
54:49
hey, your pastor is controversial.
54:51
And my response to our people is ask how come your pastor is not?
54:55
I mean, if right now to the leading cultural forces shaping
54:59
or trying to shape the paradigm of the future is Marxism and
55:03
Islam, and the guy who believes in Jesus and teaches the Bible
55:06
doesn't get in any trouble, I wonder if he's doing his job.
55:10
To what? Controversial To what?
55:12
To the word of God? All I have to do is preach what?
55:16
Romans won. Absolutely.
55:18
If I just talk about what I learned in the church in the
55:21
90s, all of a sudden I'm controversial and I hate this
55:25
line that people always say, well, you just moved that way
55:28
because you wanted to grow. You moved that way.
55:31
No, by being biblically faithful, people respond, Hungry
55:35
people will find food and they've been tired.
55:38
They are tired of being taught the lie of getting these sugar
55:41
candied sermons. And so they're going to find the
55:44
church in their town that's actually preaching the word of
55:46
God. And we have an entire generation
55:49
of young men who are craving this and an incredible
55:52
opportunity to actually discipline them, that their
55:55
church engagement and their discipleship is beyond just
55:59
serve, give and make sure you're in a group.
56:01
Yeah, those are good things. That's a small fraction of what
56:03
it looks like to be a godly man. And we have an opportunity not
56:06
to train this generation to do that.
56:08
Yeah, yeah. I think what you talked about
56:09
earlier, that upper middle class conservative person that's just
56:13
sitting in a woke church and paying their dues and feeling
56:16
some status, it feels like maybe a little bit like the Pharisees
56:19
were in the Bible to Jesus of like they didn't like Jesus.
56:22
He was really controversial and he he bucked the system because
56:26
he was biblical and he he taught the real gospel and pastors that
56:30
stay true to that are controversial, but in the exact
56:33
right way and. What are you getting in trouble
56:35
for? Yeah, he constantly got in
56:37
trouble for, I mean, he got killed by religious people.
56:40
So thank you, both of you men for standing firm and teaching
56:44
the Bible. That's unfortunately very rare
56:47
nowadays. That's something a little bit
56:49
about the conference as we closed.
56:50
What are you working on? What are you hoping to do?
56:52
What? What am I getting into?
56:53
What do I need to prepare for? Any openers that you should know
56:56
about? None of those.
56:59
This conference has always been about what we we stole this
57:02
term. We commandeered at post
57:04
denominationalism. And what we mean by that is not
57:06
that denominations are are bad. Some can be, but not
57:09
necessarily. What we mean is that we are in
57:11
an era now where as Christians we have to unify around core
57:14
doctrine. And you mentioned this earlier.
57:17
If we're still arguing about communism and Arminianism,
57:19
cessationism and continuationism, we are deaf to
57:22
what is going on around us. Our people don't need that.
57:25
And our churches certainly don't need to be so caught up in that,
57:28
that we are forgetting that they're transiting our our our
57:31
kids and they're or aborting them in the womb.
57:33
And so there is a bigger battle for us to be fighting.
57:36
And so at our conference, all three years we've done it here,
57:40
you're going to see a variety of speakers.
57:42
And I mean, we have yourself, we have Doug Wilson, Rob McCoy,
57:47
Frank Turek, David Engelhardt. I mean, you're across the
57:50
spectrum of American evangelicalism there.
57:53
But what do these guys have? They're not woke and and they're
57:56
not heretics. And so that's that's kind of our
57:59
box. We want those who are brothers
58:02
in Christ who are willing to put some of these doctrinal things
58:05
behind us and say, let's focus on the fact that once we restore
58:09
truth to the public square, then we can start arguing about our
58:12
favorite topics again and which church planning organization is
58:15
best. But in the meantime, we need to
58:17
band together and we need to fight the battle together.
58:19
So that's what the conference has always been about.
58:21
OK, that'd be fun. I'm looking forward to going.
58:25
Yeah, I've never been at a Christian nationalist event.
58:28
This will be. Exciting, I know you officially
58:29
are one. Yeah, am I?
58:31
I think so I. Don't really go on the Internet
58:32
so I don't know. Yeah, we don't.
58:34
We don't like to throw. It's better than being an
58:35
atheist, A globalist. I mean, if you.
58:36
Got it for sure. For sure.
58:38
You got to pick one. Doesn't generally end well.
58:40
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