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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 12-30-25 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 3: All right, we got a fun show lined up for
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  Speaker 3: you today, some not so fun things to talk about
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  Speaker 3: on the show today. Announcement out this morning on the
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  Speaker 3: old tweet machine and other social media's John Henry Daily,
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  Speaker 3: who was your best defensive player this past year for
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  Speaker 3: the University of Utah. John Henry Daily is jumping into
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  Speaker 3: the transfer portal. I'm gonna do my best to walk
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  Speaker 3: you back off the ledge, even as I find myself
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  Speaker 3: teetering closer and closer to it.
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  Speaker 4: The reason I think it's important to walk back from
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  Speaker 4: the ledges.
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  Speaker 3: You gotta remember that the transfer portal giveth as much
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  Speaker 3: much does the transfer portal take it. The way and
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  Speaker 3: the thing with Utah football and the transfer portal to
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  Speaker 3: this point is that, unequivocally it has been a net game.
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  Speaker 3: The transfer portal has been something that, yes, has taken
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  Speaker 3: some good talents away. Yes, has been upsetting for some
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  Speaker 3: people last offseason.
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  Speaker 4: It took months and months and months, and there's still
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  Speaker 4: people who are not over it.
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  Speaker 3: For folks to get over the fact that Keanutanuvasa hopped
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  Speaker 3: into the transfer portal and went to your rival of
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  Speaker 3: all places, right, he ended up blocking a field goal
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  Speaker 3: in the Bowl game for I mean, one of his
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  Speaker 3: best plays of the year. He didn't have an overlease
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  Speaker 3: spectacular year for being honest, but at the end of
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  Speaker 3: the day he was a good player that you lost
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  Speaker 3: to the transfer portal. Think though, about what you gained
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  Speaker 3: in the transfer portal in that same cycle. Think of
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  Speaker 3: what Utah was this year as a football team, a
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  Speaker 3: ten win team with a chance smart to be an
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  Speaker 3: eleven win team because of transfer players. Way Sean Parker
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  Speaker 3: a huge addition in the transfer portal, The Curry Rodgers
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  Speaker 3: huge addition in the transfer portal, Devin Dan Pierre, huge
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  Speaker 3: addition in the transfer portal. The biggest addition in the
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  Speaker 3: transfer portal, John Henry Day, who is now shopping his
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  Speaker 3: services around the country. John Henry Day is a product
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  Speaker 3: of the transfer portal. He came to you out of
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  Speaker 3: the transfer portal. So you probably can't be surprised or
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  Speaker 3: even upset when a guy like that, a mercenary, a
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  Speaker 3: free agent, ends up being exactly that. It's okay, and yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's going to be really, really difficult to replace that production.
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  Speaker 3: It was nice to see a Utah defensive end get
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  Speaker 3: into that double digit sack world. More troubling part about
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  Speaker 3: John Henry Daily hopping into the transfer portal for me
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  Speaker 3: is I think that you know it doesn't bode well
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  Speaker 3: for Lewis Powell's staying and we don't have anything definitive
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  Speaker 3: on that, but it's trending toward him being a Michigan
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  Speaker 3: assistant coach.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that Lewis.
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  Speaker 3: Powell would be a strong influence on a guy like
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  Speaker 3: John Henry Daily making a decision one way or another
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  Speaker 3: because Lewis Powell turned John Henry Daily into what he is,
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  Speaker 3: helped turn John Henry Daly into what he is, So
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  Speaker 3: did Morgan Scalley, who's the new head coach John Henry Daily. Though,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, look, you gotta wish him well with whatever happens.
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  Speaker 3: He has Big ten defensive end written all over him.
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  Speaker 3: He ain't going to the SEC, all right. He is
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  Speaker 3: a little bit under athletic to be an SEC defensive end,
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  Speaker 3: but he is a perfect guy to be playing that
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  Speaker 3: position in the Big ten at Michigan, at Purdue, at Wisconsin,
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  Speaker 3: at Indiana.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, he is that guy, just.
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  Speaker 3: The overachieving I did this through the sweat of my
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  Speaker 3: brow and molded myself into a player that wasn't all
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  Speaker 3: American this year. Incredible loss potentially for the University of Utah.
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  Speaker 3: Not gonna sugarcoat it, but it is the nature of
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  Speaker 3: the transfer portal.
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  Speaker 4: It is what it is now.
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  Speaker 3: Does it signify a more troubling trend for you Utah
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  Speaker 3: football fans? Does this look like something that we should
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  Speaker 3: be overly concerned about as we move forward? Because the
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  Speaker 3: transfer portal officially opens on Friday, it will remain open
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  Speaker 3: for the non playoff teams for a cuple weeks. For
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  Speaker 3: playoff teams, they'll get an extra ten day window after that.
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  Speaker 3: And right now, everyone for this Utah football team, for
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  Speaker 3: the most part, is playing it close to the vest.
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  Speaker 3: This is the first like big time impactful player that
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  Speaker 3: has announced his intentions to jump into the transfer portal.
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  Speaker 3: How many guys do you think this team loses? How
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  Speaker 3: many guys do you think Morgan Scally is able to
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  Speaker 3: retain that you want to retain? And who are those people?
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  Speaker 3: Eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred? Give
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  Speaker 3: me your your top five, all right, top five most
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  Speaker 3: important players to retain. As the transfer portal window is
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  Speaker 3: set to open on Friday, we'll be on the air
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  Speaker 3: live on Friday tomorrow. We got the Bowl game. Thursday,
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  Speaker 3: of course, is New Year's Day holiday. Everyone will be
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  Speaker 3: sleeping it off or hanging out or doing whatever. Who
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  Speaker 3: are the top five players that you need need to
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  Speaker 3: see retain. Of course, uh, if you were like me
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  Speaker 3: and you were laughing at the Michigan writers who when
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  Speaker 3: Kyle Whittingham announced that he was going to be taking
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  Speaker 3: that job, immediately people start looking for their angles, right,
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  Speaker 3: and they're just like, okay, top three players, top three
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  Speaker 3: Utah players that you need to have Kyle Whittingham bring
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  Speaker 3: with them. Please tell me all of you saw this list.
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  Speaker 3: The top three that these Michigan writers came up with
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  Speaker 3: were Caleb Lomu, who had already declared that he was
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  Speaker 3: going to pursue his opportunities in the NFL draft. That
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  Speaker 3: was player number one on the Michigan writers list. Player
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  Speaker 3: number two the aforementioned John Henry Daily, player number three
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  Speaker 3: Dylan Curtis, the freshman kicker. Like, all right, cool, I
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  Speaker 3: don't think that Kyle Wood is going to be operating
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  Speaker 3: off that list.
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  Speaker 4: But go ahead, Michigan writer, make those your top three.
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  Speaker 3: Eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred are
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  Speaker 3: at real oc sports.
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  Speaker 4: Give me your top five.
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  Speaker 3: Players to retain for Utah football in the upcoming transfer portal.
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  Speaker 3: Because you're saying, Dylan Curtis dil Zilla is not one
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  Speaker 3: of your top five OC I'm gonna put him just
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  Speaker 3: outside the top five.
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna put the freshman kicker at number six.
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  Speaker 5: Hey, he's really talented.
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  Speaker 6: To be fair, he's well, he's incredibly talented and would
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  Speaker 6: be obviously great for Utah to retain because he was
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  Speaker 6: he's going into a sophomore year and even though he
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  Speaker 6: had a couple of struggles early on.
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  Speaker 5: Well but no he's.
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  Speaker 4: Being you're being too nice to the Michigan insider. No, okay,
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  Speaker 4: Like it's just the poorly constructed list.
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely now.
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  Speaker 3: Also the interesting thing here when I remember initially seeing
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  Speaker 3: it and he was like John Henry Daily got to
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  Speaker 3: get John Henry Daily, And I was like, John Henry
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  Speaker 3: Daly is probably not going to play in the twenty
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  Speaker 3: twenty sixth seasoning. Part of the announcement today is that
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  Speaker 3: he expects to be fully recovered and ready for springball.
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  Speaker 6: It just like Cam was gonna be ready for the
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  Speaker 6: Florida game two years ago.
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  Speaker 3: Right now, this is something that Utah fans are gonna
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  Speaker 3: a little PTSD about because we spent sixteen to eighteen
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  Speaker 3: to nineteen months being like, yeah, he'll be back, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: he'll be back next month. Yeah he'll be back next week. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: he's gonna be back. He's gonna be healthy, he's gonna
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  Speaker 3: be fine. Recovery's going well. No setbacks, no setbacks. Keithy's
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  Speaker 3: the one of the setbacks. Cam is the many setbacks,
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  Speaker 3: But Keith's fine. Like if I guess, we never we
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  Speaker 3: don't get official injury reports from the University of Utah,
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  Speaker 3: we don't know. But John Henry daily like, was it
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  Speaker 3: not a torn achilles? Maybe only a partially torn achilles.
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  Speaker 3: I don't wish anything ill upon the young man, obviously,
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  Speaker 3: I really don't. I don't whether he's playing for Utah
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  Speaker 3: or he's playing for BYU, or he's playing for Michigan.
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  Speaker 3: I want him to be successful. I want him to
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  Speaker 3: make his nil money. I wanted to pursue his dream.
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  Speaker 3: I want him to make it to the NFL where
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  Speaker 3: he could become the poor man's George karloftis whatever. I
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  Speaker 3: I just don't know anything about how you recover that
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  Speaker 3: quickly from a severe achilles injury.
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  Speaker 4: Now, there's this magical.
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  Speaker 3: Elixir out there that people don't like to talk about
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  Speaker 3: called hgh okay, and it is hard to detect, and
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  Speaker 3: it is a banned substance that nobody really even tests
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  Speaker 3: for because it is too complicated and too convoluted and
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  Speaker 3: quite frankly too expensive to the blood test to find it.
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  Speaker 3: But it is the ultimate recovery magic potion, and I
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  Speaker 3: would not begrudge anyone considering something like that because it
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  Speaker 3: opens up the economic opportunities that now exist in college
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  Speaker 3: football if you get back faster. But that is the
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  Speaker 3: only way if we have any basic understanding of how
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  Speaker 3: bad an Achilles rupture, even Marshall rupture can be.
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  Speaker 4: For a player like that, the only.
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  Speaker 3: Thing that would get you back on the field quickly
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  Speaker 3: enough would be really good doctors and really good.
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  Speaker 4: Illicit substances from the dark web. Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: I laughed out loud when I saw that he canna
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  Speaker 6: be ready for spring. Not because it's really funny whatever,
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  Speaker 6: it's just a ridiculous notion.
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  Speaker 5: Oh see.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, if this was a severe injury that had
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  Speaker 3: happened in like week two, we'd be having a different conversation.
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  Speaker 4: It was week eleven. John Henry Daily earns whatever is
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  Speaker 4: coming his way.
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  Speaker 3: Unbelievable player who, when you talk to the coaching staff said, look,
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  Speaker 3: we challenged him because remember he transferred from BYU.
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  Speaker 4: After promising freshman.
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  Speaker 3: Year at BYU, he transferred to the University of Utah,
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  Speaker 3: So he's a product of the transfer portal, right, And
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  Speaker 3: he had kind of like an underwhelming black luster twenty
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  Speaker 3: twenty four season, which of course was the case for
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  Speaker 3: pretty much everyone on a Utah football roster. Wasn't an
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  Speaker 3: even like much of a regular rotation player. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: John Henry Daily in twenty twenty four wasn't nearly as
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  Speaker 3: good as like a Cash Dylan was in twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 3: He was just kind of there, and this coaching staff
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  Speaker 3: brought him in for a reason, and they liked him,
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  Speaker 3: but they challenged him, and they said, look, you gotta
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  Speaker 3: be quicker, you gotta be more explosive, you gotta be better,
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  Speaker 3: you gotta have you know, you gotta lean on your
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  Speaker 3: motor a little bit more. And Morgan Scally and everyone,
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  Speaker 3: Lewis Powell and everyone that we talked to about his
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  Speaker 3: kind of surge in this twenty twenty five season gave
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  Speaker 3: the credit to John Henry Daily saying, look, we challenged him,
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  Speaker 3: and he rose to the challenge. We challenged him and
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  Speaker 3: he responded. So maybe he just is that special. Maybe
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  Speaker 3: he's a mutant. Maybe he's Wolverine with some kind of
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  Speaker 3: healing factor and he is going to be ready for
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  Speaker 3: springball or after springball. What matters here is that he's
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  Speaker 3: the best defensive player for the University of Utah. And
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  Speaker 3: that guy perhaps because he just wants to explore his opportunities,
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  Speaker 3: but maybe because he's like, no, I'm all in on
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  Speaker 3: Kyle Whittingham, or I'm all in on Lewis Powell, or
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  Speaker 3: I'm all in on something like he has decided the
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  Speaker 3: best defensive player on the team has decided to explore
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  Speaker 3: opportunities elsewhere. And it is the nature of the beast
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  Speaker 3: where in college football now, free agency is a reality
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  Speaker 3: if you want it to be. If you're a starter
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  Speaker 3: with any kind of production, it actually behooves you to
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  Speaker 3: test the waters of free agency.
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  Speaker 4: I promise you.
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  Speaker 3: If it were legal in baseball football basketball at the
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  Speaker 3: professional level, everyone worth assault would be putting their name
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  Speaker 3: into the transfer portal every year just to see what happens.
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  Speaker 3: Every as player if it were legal under the NBA's
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  Speaker 3: collective bargaining every offseason.
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  Speaker 4: Would just be like, well, I'm just gonna throw my
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  Speaker 4: name out there and see what kind of offers I get,
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna see who courts me. We're not to that point.
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  Speaker 3: Necessarily in college football, but I don't know how we're
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  Speaker 3: not to that point because there's nothing stopping it. And
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  Speaker 3: for most coaches, they they're not principled enough or they
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  Speaker 3: can't afford to be principled enough to say, if you
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  Speaker 3: don't want to be here, you can't come back. If
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  Speaker 3: you want to put your name in the transfer portal,
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  Speaker 3: so everyone in the world can flirt with you, I
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  Speaker 3: don't want you back on this team. You can't do
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  Speaker 3: that with talented players. John Henry Day's putting his name
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  Speaker 3: in the transfer portal. Michigan's probably the first place that's
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  Speaker 3: gonna be calling him, talking to him, hoping for his
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  Speaker 3: services whenever, whether they come in twenty twenty six or
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  Speaker 3: they come in twenty twenty seven. Obviously, if he doesn't
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  Speaker 3: play in twenty twenty six, that doesn't count against his eligibility.
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  Speaker 3: He'll get a medical red shirt for that and he'll.
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  Speaker 4: Still have two years left. Right So a.
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  Speaker 3: Guy like John Henry Daily, the world is his oyster
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  Speaker 3: right now, and you cannot begrudge him for exploring this opportunity,
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  Speaker 3: even as the most died in the wall, red blooded
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  Speaker 3: Utah football fan, because he came to you out of
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  Speaker 3: the transfer portal. And that thing giveth as much as
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  Speaker 3: it taketh away, and hopefully you can keep it giving
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  Speaker 3: more than it takes away. No one will be able
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  Speaker 3: to convince me that the transfer portal has taken more
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  Speaker 3: from Utah than it has given to this point. It
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  Speaker 3: would be factually inaccurate for you to tell me that,
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  Speaker 3: even with Keyatu Tonavasa, even with Jaquindin Jackson, to this point,
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  Speaker 3: Utah football has been a beneficiary of the transfer portal.
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  Speaker 3: And Kyle Winningham and his staff which now includes, of course,
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  Speaker 3: which now is led by Morgan Scally, who is on
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  Speaker 3: all those staffs. They were the kind of the first
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  Speaker 3: movers in a lot of ways before we called it
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  Speaker 3: a transfer portal, before universal waivers existed. They were always
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  Speaker 3: out there. Hey, who's a grad transfer who's got one
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  Speaker 3: year of eligibility left? Is there a Darren Carrington who
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  Speaker 3: needs a little reputation rehab? John Henry Daily leaving is
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  Speaker 3: gonna hurt, It's gonna sting. But if you can retain
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  Speaker 3: the young guys that have showed some promise, you wouldn't
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  Speaker 3: be thinking too much about John Henry Daily in twenty
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  Speaker 3: twenty six. Anyway, Today is December thirtieth, in the year
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  Speaker 3: of our Lord, twenty twenty five. I'm gonna make a
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  Speaker 3: bold prediction for you all right here, James is gonna
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  Speaker 3: mark this. We're gonna put it down Utah's leading defensive
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  Speaker 3: end next year, whoever that is, whoever emerges, we'll say
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  Speaker 3: cash Dylan for the sake of it, right, that person
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  Speaker 3: has more on field production next year than John Henry Daily. Now,
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  Speaker 3: maybe not for a whole career, but I am not
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  Speaker 3: a believer in rehabilitation working that quickly and that well
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  Speaker 3: for a player with a severe injury, a severe lower
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  Speaker 3: leg injury, ankle, Achilles, etc. Season ender like we thought,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I thought we all agreed this was a
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  Speaker 3: surgically repaired Achilles tendon.
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  Speaker 4: Am I up in the night?
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  Speaker 7: Here?
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  Speaker 4: Did I miss something?
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  Speaker 3: So my bold prediction, hopefully it makes you feel better
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  Speaker 3: as a Utah fan, is that from attackles for loss
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  Speaker 3: sacks standpoint, whoever is the lead dog in that defensive
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  Speaker 3: ends room for Utah next year has a more productive
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  Speaker 3: year than John Henry Daily. That's not an insult to
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  Speaker 3: John Henry Daily. That's not an attack on his ability
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  Speaker 3: to get himself back on the field. It's just the
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  Speaker 3: way the transfer portal, especially post injury transfer portal, has
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  Speaker 3: worked out for Utah and four players that are leaving Utah.
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  Speaker 4: James, what do you think of that bold prediction? You're
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  Speaker 4: okay with it?
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  Speaker 5: Love it?
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  Speaker 3: Who are your top five players on the Utah football
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  Speaker 3: roster that you want to see I mean kept out
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  Speaker 3: of the transfer portal or retained even if they end
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  Speaker 3: up in the transfer portal.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, Dylan Curtis has got to be there. Oh see,
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  Speaker 6: stop it. No, it's a it's a good question. Devin
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  Speaker 6: Dan Pierre and Bert Fickland, even though you can't have
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  Speaker 6: two guys playing one position. Although hey they figured it
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  Speaker 6: out down the stretch at certain times, but that was
• 19:44
  Speaker 6: with Jason Beck. But I think those two have to
• 19:47
  Speaker 6: occupy two your top five, I think.
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: That you got to choose one.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: I don't think with everything that is out there now,
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: I think you gotta you're gonna have one. What most
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: I mean, there's a potential that neither of those guys
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: come back. And I don't say that to scare people,
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: but that potential exists on every team's roster right now.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: There's a potential that bear Bachmeyer is sitting quietly in
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: provo waiting for Friday to say, all right, I'm going
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: to Michigan, I'm going to Notre Dame. I'm going to
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: fill in the blank with whatever team needs a quarterback.
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: Miami called me whatever, Like the possibility is there, and
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: it's so. I know I'm stating the obvious, but it
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: is a jarring thing for a football fan to have
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: to adjust to. But it is the reality. And it's
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: not an attack or an insult or an indictment against
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: your team. If players explore their opportunities in the transfer portal.
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: It is a symptom of a.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: Very ill system in college sports, which, by the way,
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: in football is not even as big of a mess
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: as it is in basketball right now. Have you been
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: paying attention to what's going on in college basketball right now,
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: where all these teams are adding like mid season players
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: that were drafted in the NBA or were two way
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: contract players in the NBA, or we're G League guys
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: and are now bouncing back, and the coaches are like, hey,
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: can we get a little help with this?
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: And the NC double A is just like, no, we
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: don't want anyone to sue us.
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: We're skioed by the way O see one of those
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: teams that added a mid season player is you were
• 21:29
  Speaker 6: running uts, it's.
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: Your running from them. The Spanish Professional.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: League, Spanish pro leagues and it that look the way
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: there's there's more of a tradition of that that's less
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: of a new thing where kind of like the European
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: pro leagues have been a gray area of sorts.
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: When it comes to college eligibility. But the NBA never was,
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: the G League never was.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: American professional sports and NC Double A sports were always
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: oil and water. The two things could not coexist and
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: could not mix when it came to actually playing. And
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: now those things are those lines are blurred in a
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: way that doesn't really make sense even to the coaches
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: who are benefiting from it.
• 22:10
  Speaker 6: I bet the next time we get Alex Jensen on
• 22:13
  Speaker 6: the show and when when you ask him about this addition,
• 22:17
  Speaker 6: he because he was on it. He's someone honest with
• 22:20
  Speaker 6: us as tactfully as he possibly could be.
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: In the other.
• 22:24
  Speaker 6: Interviews we've had during the early part of this season
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: about just how kind of messed up this situation is
• 22:32
  Speaker 6: the system is in college basketball. I'm sure he's going
• 22:36
  Speaker 6: to say something like, yeah, like what you just said.
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: I don't really know what to make of it.
• 22:41
  Speaker 6: But we're we got this great player out of it.
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: We're going to do what we can to continue to
• 22:47
  Speaker 6: use it to our advantage. But I don't really know
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: what to make of it.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: I mean, And the thing is, if you're a coach
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: who doesn't like it the way that Kyle Whittingham for
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: years didn't really love the transfer portal, didn't really love
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: pay for play, intelligent people realize, like, if this is
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: the system and there's legality to it, if I, on
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: principle back up and don't participate, I am handicapping my
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: own roster. I'm hurting my players, I'm hurting my assistant coaches.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: I'm hurting myself. I'm hurting my university if I don't
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: engage in this. It is the Dabbos Swinny thing at Clemson.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: Remember when Dabbo was like the last power for coach
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: who was vocally out there. I don't want to pay
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: these players, and I don't want to deal with the
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: transfer portal, and they weren't bringing guys in and he
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: truly was in a lot of ways, letting the pay
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: for plaything, letting the boosters decide who was going to
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: get the checks, and then it finally even he came
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: around and was like, oh, yeah, I should probably.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: Get some good players out of the transfer portal because
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: everybody in my league is doing it. Everybody in the
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: country is doing it.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: Everybody who has expectations to compete for national championships, they're
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: all doing it. So my plan already today was to
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: talk about who you want to keep out of the
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: transfer portal, who you want to protect from the transfer portal,
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: who you want to build a fence around, and that fence, unfortunately,
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: in most cases, has to be built of money.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: Who are your top five.
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: Eight seven, seven, three, five, three zero, seven hundred or
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: you can tweet the bat me way, Sham Parker's got.
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: To be in your top five. He had an incredible.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: Year, and I think we didn't really get until like
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: the last four or five games. He hadn't fully separated
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: himself as the bell cow back. He hadn't fully convinced
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: the coaching staff that they should give him more carries
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: than they gave Rogers, that they should give him more
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: carries than they gave Daniel bray Way Shawn Parker got
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: to keep him. Way, Shawn Parker's name is going to
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: be in the transfer portal. People, he's a product of
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: the transfer portal. He's going to be in the transfer portal.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: Just count on it, all right. Bird Fickland has already
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: made the announcement that he's signed. Because of that, I
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: think that you probably have a better chance of keeping
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: him than you have a chance of keeping Devin Dan
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: Pierre weird. For me to say it, Bird Fickland's got
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: to be probably number one on the list. I'll put
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: Way Shaw Parker somewhere between two and five.
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: All right. John new Hall is one hell of a linebacker.
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: You can't lose him. You have to keep John new Hall.
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: Blake Cotton. Does Blake Cotton still have eligibility? Am I
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: wrong about that?
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: Blake Cotton hadn't know Blake Cotton is a senior this year?
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: My mistake.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: Smith Snowden has eligibility now. His versatility not as a
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: two way player, as a return man. I don't want
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: to see him playing offense anymore. Smith Noden can play
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: the nickel. You can put him outside in a pinch.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: You could probably line him up to be a safety,
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: although he's a little bit undersize for that. Smith Noden's
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: versatility is going to have a bunch of people.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: Campaigning for his services.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: You already had to stave off really really good offers
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: last year.
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: For Smith Noden. It's SMIs Noden. A Morgan Scalley guy.
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: Is he a Kyle Whittingham guy. It's miss Noden.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: I wanted to be at Utah because I saw what
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: was coming in here and I wanted to redeem what
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: happened last year. I mean, he told us I'm a
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: ute for life when we did the show at the
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: campus bookstore. SMIs Noden has got to be on that
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: short list.
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: You got that being said, oh see, sorry to cut
• 26:51
  Speaker 6: you out. You gotta think that the poll because of
• 26:55
  Speaker 6: his because he would be a legacy player at BYU.
• 26:59
  Speaker 6: You gotta think that there would be there's absolutely gonna
• 27:01
  Speaker 6: be a push to try to get him in the
• 27:02
  Speaker 6: portal to go forty miles south. But you got to
• 27:06
  Speaker 6: think that there might be just a little part of
• 27:08
  Speaker 6: him that would that that would be enticing for him
• 27:11
  Speaker 6: because of because like I said, his father played there
• 27:15
  Speaker 6: not that long ago, right, So that that's something to
• 27:19
  Speaker 6: be wary of, even though guys say stuff and then
• 27:22
  Speaker 6: they do something opposite all the time, Like you, he's
• 27:26
  Speaker 6: a ute for life. Oh oh hey, he transferred to
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: him saying that to you. We want to believe that
• 27:32
  Speaker 6: he's absolutely sincere about that and he always will be.
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: But I mean, I would think that the poll to
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: BYU would be somewhat strong for him.
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: We'll see again.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: I I'm not as afraid of BYU as I am
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: of Michigan. I'm not as totally as I am afraid
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: of Texas Tech. I'm not as afraid of BYU in
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: a case like as I am of Oregon or I mean,
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: last year the SEC was calling him, why would it
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: not be the case this year?
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: How about had an excellent season about ASU?
• 28:10
  Speaker 6: I mean, Kenny Dillingham had a front row seat to
• 28:13
  Speaker 6: him locking down his future first round draft pick. A
• 28:17
  Speaker 6: receiver is probably Smith Soden's best game.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: Smith Noden's best game came against the guy who's going
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: to be a first round draft pick.
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: And if you're.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: Smith Snowden's agent, whether Smith tells you he wants this
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: done or not, if you're doing your job, is Smith
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: Stoden's agent. You get that game film and everyone's got
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: you know, it's so easy now they have like the
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: Huddle subscriptions or whatever. It's all on the iPad. Everyone
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: can pull it up. You get that and you just
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: spam it to everybody in the country. And then you say, Smith,
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: I know that you're loyal to Utah. I know you
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: want to stay here. I know you love Morgan Scalley.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: But if you're interested, the University of Alabama wants to
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: up last year's offer to two million dollars. I'm not
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: trying to build a case for these guys.
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: I don't want them to leave.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: But this is the reality of the world you're living
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: in right now, and it starts the reality hits you
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: smack dab in the face on Friday. Officially, that's when
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: the transfer portal open. It's unofficially, it's already happening now.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: The tampering is happening at this moment. Friday is when
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: the rubber really starts to meet the road and Utah.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: From what I have been told and the conversations I've had,
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: they are gearing up. They are ready. They're batting down
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: the hatches. They know the storm's coming. They're doing what
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: they can to deploy funds to support Morgan Scalley, the
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: new coach. But it's happening, and it's unavoidable. And the
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: first casualty, if you want to call it, that is
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: your best defensive player, John Henry Daily. Not an easy
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: one to accommodate, to compensate for all right, lots left
• 30:07
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  Speaker 3: first segment, top five players you want to keep out
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: of the transfer portal or even if they put their
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: names in the transfer portal because that thing opens on Friday. People,
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: who are you trying to keep on the roster for
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  Speaker 3: next year. Let's see, we'll go to the tweet machine.
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  Speaker 3: First eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred
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  Speaker 3: or at reloc Sports Parker Wayshaan Okay, Bird, Ficklin, Daniel
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  Speaker 3: Bray JHD that's John Henry Day's already in the transfer portal.
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  Speaker 4: I hope you can keep him out of it. I
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: don't know. And then scrolling key on Twitter.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: Is cheating with player number five because they say Snowed
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: and Dao, Davis and Benny.
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: I don't think.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: I don't think he used four players as one player,
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: but I guess one of each of those or one
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: from that group. That's fine, we'll do that. John UTAs
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: is assuming Bird is s thing. That's a bold assumption
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: to big assumption. It's all the information we have right now,
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: so let's go with that way. Shan, JJ Buchanan, Hunter,
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: andrews Man. He was injured so much this year, for
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: so much of the year that I kind of forgot
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: about his upside and what he could really be for
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: this team. John o'hal Dallas Vakaalahi also love that list.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: And by the way, we're going to find out a
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: lot about Morgan Scalley. Remember there was this trend when
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: Kyle Whittingham was using the versatility of players more often
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: than not, he was finding a great offensive athlete and
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: moving him to the defensive side of the ball, and
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: we kind of like started to expect it, maybe made
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: fun of it a little bit. We're going to find
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: out where Morgan Scalley indexes on that moving forward, because
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: he is also a defensive minded head coach obviously, so
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: are we going to see some of the same thing.
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: Is he going to be.
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: As apt to want to play players on both sides
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: of the ball? I mean that flavor that is going
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: to remain so consistent because you're talking about a guy
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: who played for Kyle Whittingham and then came up in
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: the coaching tree of Kyle Whittingham, was sort of groomed
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: for this position by Kyle Whittingham. He also has ideas
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: of his own about what he wants to do, and
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: that's going to be the most interesting thing here for me.
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: Maybe not the most interesting thing but one of the
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: most interesting things.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: Here for me seeing how Morgan scally handles the tweeers
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: and if you can retain Selesi Moa, for example, is
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: he an offensive player or is he a defensive player
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: for your team? I think that the greatest upside for
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: someone like that is you wanted to be an offensive player.
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: You want him to become Puku nakua.
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: But also he's got the athleticism to be one hell
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: of a corner or if he can bulk up a
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: little bit, which I don't know how you remain a
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: run to the litter when Ben Moa is your dad,
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: he might be a linebacker someday to the text line
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: at eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred,
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: Jordan on the text line says Kelvin obot Celesima, Jackson,
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: Benny slash missnowed, I.
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: Love that everyone's putting Benny in stode.
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: Defensive backs are not just like one thing, all right,
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: You got to identify the player. Everyone's cheating and putting
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: six and seven and eight players on their list. Way
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: Shawn Parker Hunter Andrews also in the parentheses, he throws
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: in on the text assuming Bird and Devon have already signed,
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: I don't think Josh Furlong yesterday said he thinks it's
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: a ninety percent chance that Devin dan Pierre is gone,
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: whether that's to Arizona State or he follows Jason Beck
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: to Michigan. Once we get an official announcement on that
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: a lot of people yesterday when I asked the question
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: who do you want to see hired as an offensive
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: coordinated at the University of If you tell, a lot
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: of people are like, well, hold.
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: On gone, Is Jason Beck gone?
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: Officially no, but let's do what we can to remain realistic.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: When national reporters who have a lot of sources, most
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: of whom are agents, are telling you that it's likely
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: that Jay Hill ends up at Michigan and that Jason
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: Beck ends up at Michigan, that means the most likely
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: scenario is they end up at Michigan. Not only does
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: logic take us to that place, but well sourced information
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: from people who's every single day living is based on
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: them being sourced, Well, they're kind of pointing that same direction.
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: I do like, though, throwing Kelvin Obot on this list,
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: because the success of whoever the offensive coordinator ends up
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: being coming in, and whoever the quarterback ends up being,
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: and whoever the running back, if you can get way
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: Sham Parker to stay, whoever that ends up being was
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: already going to be in question when you lose five
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: starters from your offense line this year, and if Kyle
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: Whittingham hadn't gone to Michigan, you were going to lose
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: five starters. If Morgan Scalley wasn't taken over, you were
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: going to have five new starters. If Jim Harding was
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: the guy sticking around, you were gonna have five new starters.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: Even if he stays, you're gonna have five new starters
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: because two of them are going to the NFL. Your
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: tackles are going to the NFL, and the three guys
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: in the middle are out of eligibility, and I think
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: probably all of them get at least a shot to
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: play in the NFL. I know Kump is not as
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: young as he used to be, but I mean he's
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: just that kind of grizzled veteran that hopefully will get
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: a cup of coffee at the very least. So I mean,
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: the Garcia kid that came from Corner Canyons several years ago,
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: we haven't really seen much of him. They've really liked
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: the Almond kid, They've really liked some of these people
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: that have filled in in late games.
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: And now you've got again.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: I keep hammering this, the highest rated recruit in the
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: history of the program at any position happens to be
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: a tackle coming in from Fruitland, Idaho. Who could if
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: he wanted to put his name in the transfer portal
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: on Friday. He's down in Vegas right now with the
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: team as an early en roll league.
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: He's already there.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: The Bowl eligibility thing is so crazy. Bulls don't count
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: towards this past season from an eligibility standpoint. So he's
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: got this like free practice scenario. He's down there attached
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: to the team.
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: I think he's more more than likely to stay.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: I think that you know, he's cut from a slightly
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: different cloth, and I know that he was enticed the
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: right way by the University of Utah. When I say
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: the right way, I mean by a full understanding that
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: at some point he was going to be playing for
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: Morgan Scaley, and a full understanding that they were going
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: to use some of the same model you use to
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: keep Fanno and Lomu. You were going to deploy some
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: of that loyalty in the form of funds towards Kelvin Obot,
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: so you got a chance to keep someone like that.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: Of course, his understanding that he was going to play
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: for Morgan Scalley at some point probably was shaped around
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: the idea that Kyle Whittingham would not be at Michigan.
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: He probably wouldn't have any close ties to Michigan.
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: But here's the thing. Michigan already recruited the kid. He
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: already said no to Michigan, So why would he Why
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: would he all of a sudden decide now is the
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: time to jump on that bandwagon.
• 39:32
  Speaker 6: If the only thing, and we talked about this at
• 39:34
  Speaker 6: nauseum yesterday, the only thing that makes it realistic that
• 39:41
  Speaker 6: he would consider Michigan again is if Jim Harding, which
• 39:44
  Speaker 6: we somewhat expect him to follow with to Michigan too.
• 39:50
  Speaker 6: If that ends up being the case, you know, of
• 39:53
  Speaker 6: course they did. It sounds like they did a good
• 39:56
  Speaker 6: job of telling recruits like Obot that Morgan Scaley's probably
• 40:00
  Speaker 6: going to be your coach, or he will be your coach.
• 40:03
  Speaker 6: But they but guys like Obot probably thought that Jim
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: Harding was still going to be their O line coach,
• 40:08
  Speaker 6: their position coach too.
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: So that's the.
• 40:11
  Speaker 6: Only thing that makes it, that makes you gives you
• 40:14
  Speaker 6: pause and go, hey, maybe he will consider Michigan to
• 40:17
  Speaker 6: the point where he transfer he ultimately transfers there. If
• 40:20
  Speaker 6: Harding does end up falling with there, But I I meanhich.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: Is why I don't know, which is why I said
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: it's important to have the replacement plan be a good one,
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: and you should never You should never hire a.
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: Coach for one player.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: All Right, We've seen it happen in football and in basketball,
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: and we've seen it backfire.
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: In those situations. Now, sometimes it works out, Okay, So
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: you should never hire.
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: Someone just because you want to keep Kelvin Obot, but
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: you certainly want to retain Jim Harding if you can.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: Kyle Whittingham wants to bring Jim Hardy because.
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: Of his track record of success.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: And in the case of somebody like Obot, if you
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: happen to have someone who you could potentially hire, who
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: might incentivize him to stay in a way that no
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: one besides Jim Harding could, well you should at least
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: consider bringing back Jordan Gross. Like the Jordan Gross is
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: the reason, Make no mistake, Jordan Gross is the reason
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: that Kelvin Obat has committed.
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: To the University of Utah.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: Jordan Gross had to sign off on. Look what Jim
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: Harding has done with all these guys. Look what he
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: did for Gara Poles in only one year. Look what
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: he did for Look what he did for a bunch
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: of these guys that have come through here and started
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: out kind of like you, where you know, you're tall,
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: you got a big frame, but you need to add
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: some size, and they do it the right way and
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: they turn these people into NFL players.
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: Jordan Gross has been on that journey before.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: Okay, he doesn't he doesn't probably allow Kelvin Obat to
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: come to the University of Utah if he doesn't believe
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: in the process that Jim Harding is put in place. Now,
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: if you take Jim Harding out of it, and you say,
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: all right, he's going to Michigan, Now you can go
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: to Michigan, you can follow him, but I'm gonna be
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: at Utah. Now go play for Jim Harding. If that's
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: what you think is best for your career. If you
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: think that I'm the guy to trust, you think that
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: I'm the guy that can get you to be a
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: top ten draft pick like I was, come follow me.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's a compelling reason to bring back a
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: guy who was already an All American for you, already
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: one of the best players in the history of your school.
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: And happened to be a college teammate of your coach,
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: and I have on very very good authority that if
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: that offer comes, Jordan Gross will take it. Had a
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: conversation yesterday that if that's the direction that Morgan scally
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: wants to go or is forced to go because Jim
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: Harding follows Kyle Whittingham to the University of Michigan, Jordan
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: Gross would answer the phone call and, barring anything shocking,
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: would come to the University of Utah. That probably maximizes
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: at least this one person's list or the chances of
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: that list, you know, being kept.
• 43:16
  Speaker 6: And to your point about you don't you shouldn't hire
• 43:20
  Speaker 6: a coach based off one player. You're that's the theory
• 43:25
  Speaker 6: behind hiring Jordan Gross. But he's also a guy who's
• 43:28
  Speaker 6: proved to be a really good head coach at the
• 43:31
  Speaker 6: at the high school level and obviously got the NFL pedigree,
• 43:35
  Speaker 6: So you're not so you're you're not just hiring him
• 43:38
  Speaker 6: for Kelvin Obi. You're hiring him because he's also a
• 43:40
  Speaker 6: really good coach who can help you retain the best
• 43:43
  Speaker 6: player you've ever recruited.
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: It's the silver lining, right, It's like you're not.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: You're not going to hire a guy with no credentials
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: just to keep your top rate of recruit ever, But
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: a guy who already has the credentials that he's got,
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: who might also be able to help you with that. Yeah,
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: that's seriously talking about it. Let's seriously consider it. And
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: by the way, he's not the only one. He's not
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: the only one who could be good at it. Like
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: Robert Conley played a guard for the University of Utah,
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: all right.
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: He was there for Urban Myers years. He was there
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: through the Sugar Bowl years.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: Big Con, who's not so big anymore, is an unbelievable coach,
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: all right. He's also a good recruiter with ties to
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: the like Houston area in Texas, so he's got a
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: good footprint in the South and in Texas.
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: Big Con would be an awesome hire.
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: Again, a former teammate of Morgan Scalley, although I believe
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: con was a red shirt, was either a true freshman
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: or red shirt freshman.
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: That Fiesta Bowl year.
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: Like not nearly as sexy of a name as a
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: Jordan Gross and doesn't have the connections to Kelvin Obot
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: that Jordan Gross does.
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: But a guy who.
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: Like on balance, might end up being a big or
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: asset for you from a recruiting standpoint, because he can
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: go into Houston every year, or he can go into
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: Louisiana every year, or he can go into Florida every year,
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: and he can get you kids out of there that
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: maybe Jordan Gross isn't able.
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: To get you.
• 45:14
  Speaker 6: And you would think you would think that Jordan Gross
• 45:17
  Speaker 6: would would vouch for a guy like that too, even
• 45:20
  Speaker 6: though they they their years did not quite line up
• 45:22
  Speaker 6: at Utah, But he knows the guy. He's got to
• 45:25
  Speaker 6: know the guy, a guy with that kind of pedigree
• 45:28
  Speaker 6: that went to the same school as you and they
• 45:30
  Speaker 6: were really close to overlapping in their time there. You
• 45:33
  Speaker 6: would think that he would put in a good word
• 45:34
  Speaker 6: to Kelvin about a guy like big Con.
• 45:38
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: At the end of the day, these guys, these young men,
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: some of them I will call kids, some of them
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: are adults now because they've crossed that threshold by being
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: in college for a few years and cashing some checks
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: and paying some bills and maybe making a real estate purchase.
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: Right so they're big boys now.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: Ultimately they're gonna do what is for them and their
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: families and that's all that we should expect. But it's
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: your job right now as a coach. If you're Morgan
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: scali or you're someone staying on Morgan Scalley staff, or
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: coming to Morgan Scalley staff, or coming back to Morgan
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: Scalley staff, it's your job to try to influence those
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: decisions to maximize your own success, not only now, not
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: only for twenty twenty six, not only for a bowl
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: game tomorrow, but for the foreseeable future, for the next
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: five to ten and hopefully twenty years.
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: Hopefully Morgan Scalley is.
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: A good enough coach with good enough support that we
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: get another Kyle Whittingham's style rain Only time is gonna
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: tell keep the list of the top five players you
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: want coming back to the University of Utah coming in,
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: whether they're entering the transfer portal or you're trying to
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: keep them out of the transfer portal. Give me your
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: top five players that you got to retain eight seven, seven,
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: three five.
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: Three zero seven hundred.
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: One of the potential offensive coordinators that maybe folks were
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: looking to get a an offer from the University of Utah.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: He's going somewhere else. He's going to a big ten school,
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: but he's not going.
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: To a great big ten school.
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: We'll talk about where Chip Kelly's headed and we'll check
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: in with the folks from Big Willies next on the
• 47:16
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• 47:24
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• 47:27
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• 47:31
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• 47:32
  Speaker 9: Am, welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show.
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: Where live is Big Willy's seventeen seventeen South Maine.
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: Today. You can't make it down here and.
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: Say hello today, that's fine, but you better be here
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: tomorrow for the Vegas Bowl as Utah takes on Nebraska
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: in a game that we have not really been talked
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: about that much yet. It's gonna be kind of weird
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: and we'll get to it on the show. Jerem Jordan's
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: gonna join us for some red and blue here in
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  Speaker 3: just a second. But the brain's behind the operation. No,
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: that's that's is a better half the the muscle behind
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  Speaker 3: the operation, the janitor behind it. Pat Manos, my good friend, owner,
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: proprietor operator here.
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: At Big Willies. It sits down with us to talk
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: about what they have got going on, not only for
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: the bowl game, but everything coming up for the holidays
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: and whatnot. First of all, how are you good? Doing good?
• 48:30
  Speaker 10: Just you know, tread and water through these holidays like
• 48:33
  Speaker 10: so many of us do.
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: Don't say tread and water when you're the number one
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: sports bar in Utah.
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: All right, crowned again. I know it's awesome.
• 48:41
  Speaker 10: We you know, the fans voted, the patrons voted, and
• 48:44
  Speaker 10: yeah we came up on top again.
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: Also number one pool hall.
• 48:47
  Speaker 10: And one number one pool hall of the state. Yeah,
• 48:50
  Speaker 10: it's a big accomplishment.
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: That's really great. It's great for big willies.
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: It's an awesome place to come down participate in the
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: trivia nights that they do. So tell me what's going
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: what's going on for the bowl game. You're gonna have
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: you got drink specials all day today. You're gonna have
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: drink specials.
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 49:05
  Speaker 10: So the bowl game Uh starts at one thirty right, yep. Uh,
• 49:09
  Speaker 10: we have great specials guys.
• 49:10
  Speaker 8: Uh.
• 49:11
  Speaker 10: We have our sazaraq products on sell, which includes Buffalo
• 49:15
  Speaker 10: Trace at three seventy five, which is ridiculous of a price.
• 49:19
  Speaker 8: You're not.
• 49:19
  Speaker 10: I mean, our normal price is six dollars, which is
• 49:22
  Speaker 10: also ridiculous. So we have wheat Lea vodka which is
• 49:25
  Speaker 10: a Buffalo product on sell that day, and Buffalo Bourbon cream.
• 49:28
  Speaker 10: So we have lots of good specials. We're easy on
• 49:31
  Speaker 10: everybody's wallet. We're not here to gouch our customers. We
• 49:34
  Speaker 10: want everybody to come in and and feel good and
• 49:36
  Speaker 10: leave filling better.
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: Say it spent so much money. Here's what I want
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: you to do too.
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: If you know someone who's going down to Vegas for
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: the game, call them and be like, hey, go to
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: any bar in Vegas and order some Buffalo Trace and
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: then tell me how much they charge you for it,
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: and then you can send them a picture of your
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: receipt with the three dollars five. Yeah, Buffalo Trace pricing
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: on it, because it's gonna be like five times a time.
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure.
• 49:59
  Speaker 10: It's five times a block down from us at other bars.
• 50:02
  Speaker 10: So it's really it's really we try to price everything appropriately,
• 50:06
  Speaker 10: so like I said, everybody can come in and enjoy themselves,
• 50:09
  Speaker 10: watch a game, and not leave like they just you know,
• 50:12
  Speaker 10: have to go get a second job.
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: We got a table sitting over here, and I just
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: saw that the food delivered, the food. You've done the
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: hot lunch several times.
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: The food down here, truly is incredible, and I've yet
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: to find something on the menu.
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: That I don't like. And I appreciate that sometimes you
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: send me stuff that I probably wouldn't order for my
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: spinach salad, like a spinach salad, like a veggie burger.
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: But they've all been really good.
• 50:33
  Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, it's good.
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: You know, the kitchen does a great job.
• 50:36
  Speaker 10: Everything's made fresh to order, all the sauces, all the patties,
• 50:40
  Speaker 10: ham formed. They do a really good job there. It's
• 50:42
  Speaker 10: not you know, it's it's way above fast food.
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: So tomorrow's the Bowl game, but it's also New Year's Eve.
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: What's the party gonna be like for New Year's e?
• 50:50
  Speaker 10: So New Year's Eve, we like to do a balloon pop.
• 50:52
  Speaker 10: We put different prizes, cash prizes, and if you pop it,
• 50:57
  Speaker 10: sometimes it can be a dollar, sometimes it can be
• 50:59
  Speaker 10: one hundred.
• 50:59
  Speaker 5: So everybody has a lot.
• 51:01
  Speaker 10: Of fun with that. It gets confetti all over the place.
• 51:04
  Speaker 10: Midnight we'll do a champagne toast forever who's standing here.
• 51:08
  Speaker 10: So it's a good time. It's a mellow We don't
• 51:10
  Speaker 10: have a DJ. We just you know, have the jukebox rolling.
• 51:14
  Speaker 10: Got have a conversation with your friends still and not
• 51:16
  Speaker 10: feel like you're getting your bleans, you know, rattled.
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: So come down watch the Utah Bowl game, watch the
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: rest of the games and are on.
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: Stick around for the New Year's Eve party with.
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: The balloon pop and yeah, just have a little bit
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: of fun, take advantage of the great drink specials, the
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: food specials, and whenever you come down tell themose sencha
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: and they'll take extra special care of you because Fat
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: loves me. Whether he likes to admit it or not,
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: I do. I tell everybody I like that.
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you.
• 51:43
  Speaker 10: I appreciate it.
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: All right. We got Jerem Jordan joining us next.
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  Speaker 3: Little Red and Blue by you just finished a twelve
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  Speaker 7: I'm doing great, Sean almost happy New year, bro.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're almost there, and the same to you. How
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: are BYU football fans feeling right now? I know it was,
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: you know, a little bit of a disappointment that no
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: invitation to the college football Playoff came for Christmas. But
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: the Pop Tarts Bowl, Kilanie and the Boys seem to
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  Speaker 3: kind of embrace it. It was a fun game, not
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: only the chaos with the mascots, but the gameplay itself.
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  Speaker 3: To come from behind victory, all that and capping off
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  Speaker 3: a twelve win season now with a bowl win got
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  Speaker 3: to feel pretty good.
• 54:15
  Speaker 7: Ecstatic. I think boy fans are good about all right,
• 54:19
  Speaker 7: what's within our control. Let's move on like once, you know,
• 54:22
  Speaker 7: once it was the middle of the fourth quarters, like,
• 54:24
  Speaker 7: all right, we ain't making the playoffs now what boy
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  Speaker 7: had the opportunity to go to Alamo if they wanted.
• 54:30
  Speaker 7: They said no because they wanted to just mix it up.
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  Speaker 7: That was the first pick, and Boi chose Pop Tart
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  Speaker 7: and it was a ton of fun. It was a
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  Speaker 7: great matchup with Georgia Tech and act player of the
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  Speaker 7: Aaron Haines King, and that was that was a fun game.
• 54:42
  Speaker 7: Obviously goes down to the wired Cotton Bowl vibes for
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  Speaker 7: bo fans, making a pick in the red zone to
• 54:48
  Speaker 7: win a big game on a national stage. And the
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  Speaker 7: Cougar's finished with twelve wins and now you celebrate one
• 54:54
  Speaker 7: of the best seasons ever. I personally, I think this
• 54:57
  Speaker 7: was the fourth best boy team ever. I put eighty
• 55:00
  Speaker 7: four and eighty three and ninety six as the top three,
• 55:03
  Speaker 7: and then because powerfol Conference and conference championship appearance and
• 55:07
  Speaker 7: twelve wins and three ranked wins in the final College
• 55:10
  Speaker 7: Football Playoff rankings. I mean, this was one of the
• 55:12
  Speaker 7: best joy seasons ever. And they did it with the
• 55:15
  Speaker 7: true reshman, which is absolutely crazy the Cougars to put
• 55:19
  Speaker 7: back to back seasons together. They were not a one
• 55:21
  Speaker 7: hit wonder and the future super bright. It's exciting. Obviously,
• 55:25
  Speaker 7: questions running Jay Hill and whatnot to Michigan just kind
• 55:28
  Speaker 7: of waiting for what seems like the inevitable, but it
• 55:31
  Speaker 7: was an outstanding season and the future looks super bright
• 55:34
  Speaker 7: for the Cougars.
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: Is is that as much of a done deal, as
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: we're gonna call it until the announcement has made officially.
• 55:41
  Speaker 7: It feels like it. You know, I need to double
• 55:44
  Speaker 7: check today, but as of yesterday afternoon had not told
• 55:48
  Speaker 7: coaches or players. You know, hey, I'm going to Michigan,
• 55:51
  Speaker 7: but I just bade this will happen. What I really
• 55:53
  Speaker 7: want is the Leonardo DiCaprio gift from Wolf of Wall Street.
• 55:56
  Speaker 7: But I don't think we're gonna get it. But you know, Jay,
• 56:01
  Speaker 7: and I feel like I was one of the first
• 56:03
  Speaker 7: to kind of stay this out loud with you. Is
• 56:05
  Speaker 7: like Jay's gonna get you know, be always lucky to
• 56:07
  Speaker 7: have Jay's gonna get another big gig at some point.
• 56:10
  Speaker 7: Like he really helped turn around that defense. They've been
• 56:13
  Speaker 7: top twenty five the last two years and had a
• 56:15
  Speaker 7: certain toughness and a certain ability to take the ball
• 56:17
  Speaker 7: away that really helped YU compete in the Conference Power
• 56:21
  Speaker 7: Conference League after they went five and seven, and they've
• 56:23
  Speaker 7: been recruiting at a super high level. Things have never
• 56:26
  Speaker 7: been brighter in terms of the brand for BYU, the recruiting,
• 56:29
  Speaker 7: the the arrow is up and it's bright green, and
• 56:33
  Speaker 7: there's a lot of that with Jay Hill but it's
• 56:35
  Speaker 7: bigger than Jay. It's bigger than even Kilani, even though
• 56:38
  Speaker 7: By's best win of the year was retaining Kilani. And
• 56:42
  Speaker 7: now they can keep this thing going. We'll see if
• 56:44
  Speaker 7: it's you know, Sean Newat from USC or an internal
• 56:47
  Speaker 7: guy like Kelly Pepinga or Justin Enner Genero Guildford, or
• 56:50
  Speaker 7: if they even went outside and brought in like a
• 56:53
  Speaker 7: like Justin Wilcox from cal to be the DC or
• 56:55
  Speaker 7: something like that. But I think you always gonna be
• 56:57
  Speaker 7: in good hands. They're they're in great shape.
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: So if Kyle Whittingham successfully lures j Hill away, does
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: that change BYU fans opinion of Kyle even or push
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: it even more into the negative ledger? Because I remember
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: sitting on set be WHYU TV set the day of
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: the Rivalry game, and I was asked, like, how how
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: should be YU fans feel about Kyle Whittingham? This is
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: probably his last season, and I was like, look, you
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: gotta appreciate the guy. He's a great person, he's a
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: great coach. And people were kind of booing, you know,
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: like we don't love Kyle Whittingham. If he steals J Hill,
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: they're gonna hate him even more.
• 57:36
  Speaker 7: It's completely understandable to grab j. Why wouldn't you grab Jay?
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 57:41
  Speaker 12: Uh?
• 57:41
  Speaker 7: You know now he's a ute and cougar legend, which
• 57:44
  Speaker 7: is hard to do. You know. I guess Kline has
• 57:47
  Speaker 7: crossed that across that road. I guess technically, LaBelle got
• 57:50
  Speaker 7: a doctorate from Utah, so he's like you where he
• 57:52
  Speaker 7: got a graduate degree from the other school. I think
• 57:56
  Speaker 7: I think Label actually got a master's. He got his
• 57:59
  Speaker 7: undergrads from Utah, date, his master's from the OU, and
• 58:01
  Speaker 7: a doctorate from uh Utah. If I recall correctly, he
• 58:05
  Speaker 7: got the holy trinity of grad degrees. And that's pretty good.
• 58:11
  Speaker 7: I know. I think people understand who and what Kyle is.
• 58:15
  Speaker 7: Although did you see this? J Drew tweeted from a
• 58:18
  Speaker 7: press conference that Kyle had done in Orlando ahead of
• 58:22
  Speaker 7: Michigan's poll game. Is Kyle mentioned, oh yeah, when I
• 58:25
  Speaker 7: played at b YU and for the Cougars here in
• 58:27
  Speaker 7: the Citrus Pole back in the eighties, like he actually
• 58:29
  Speaker 7: said the letters, you know that he hasn't said and.
• 58:31
  Speaker 13: Hold on, hold on, Kyle Wodehem does say b YU
• 58:37
  Speaker 13: all right, Kyle Herbert Mayer was the team down south guy,
• 58:41
  Speaker 13: Kyle Whittingham several times, I mean many, many, many times.
• 58:46
  Speaker 7: Reference what are you talking about?
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: He would say, b Yu, He's not He's not against
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: mentioning his own alma mater.
• 58:55
  Speaker 7: It felt like he was for a long time and
• 58:57
  Speaker 7: it was super annoying where it's like you won't even
• 58:59
  Speaker 7: say a letter. No, it's it's all good, like, but
• 59:03
  Speaker 7: it is wild, man, It's like the best analogy. And
• 59:06
  Speaker 7: I don't know how you feel. It's just been crazy
• 59:07
  Speaker 7: to be like, wait, what you divorced mom and you
• 59:10
  Speaker 7: dated like the younger girlfriend. Suddenly like this you got
• 59:15
  Speaker 7: married super quick. Like it just feels kind of weird
• 59:18
  Speaker 7: for everybody, right.
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: That that is That is a pretty apt anology where
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: it's just like you have this, you know, two decade
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: marriage and it's mostly good, but there's some things that
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: probably bug you about each other. And then the next
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: week you're on some tropical island with the uh the
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: front desk worker from the country club or something, You're like,
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: what the heck?
• 59:45
  Speaker 4: Anyone else from incredible? Is there anyone else from Yu?
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: You think that it follows Kyle to Michigan.
• 59:51
  Speaker 7: That's a good question, you know, Frankly, I hope not,
• 59:54
  Speaker 7: because I like, I think this defensive staff has been awesome.
• 59:59
  Speaker 7: I think of these guys are connected to Jay, but
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 7: perhaps more with with Kilani. And so we'll we'll see,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 7: and yeah, we'll we'll will Jason back go with him?
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 7: Like will this be some you know, Utah conglomeration there,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 7: it'll it'll be interesting to see that.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 7: Wouldn't it have been crazy if Kilanie took the Penn
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 7: Stage job and Kyle got the Michigan job another meeting
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 7: in the Big ten. That would have been crazy.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: It would have been insane, and it would have decimated
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: power fund football powerful football.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: At the State of Utah. Uh oh yeah, on both fronts.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 4: I don't I don't like that idea.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: So is Gary Anderson a candidate for the defensive coordinator position.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 8: At b y U.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 7: No, And and it has And I don't really like
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 7: broaching sort of how active people are in the church
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 7: kind of thing. But to be the coordinator, if you're
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 7: going to be a member, you got to be pretty active,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 7: is my understanding. So, uh, you know, and Gary has
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 7: been happy to and I don't know all the details,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 7: but Gary's been happy to be behind the scenes and
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 7: influential in that way. Like, is he a name that
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 7: like should be thrown in there, like totally, But I
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 7: think there's some sort of BYU circumstances that Mike Keith
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 7: him Moore as kind of an analyst in that space.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 7: Same with Chad.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't know that requirement extended to the coordinators.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: I was only aware that head coaches at BYU had
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: to kind of be you know fully fully dialed in.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 7: I don't know the official take on it, but my
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 7: understanding is that's why kind of Gary wasn't in the
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 7: first place, or isn't like kind of a higher profile,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 7: like you know, out there guy in the media with
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 7: Uyu's defense per se. Again, I don't know all the
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 7: details and the information there, but Gary's influence has been awesome.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 7: It's been amazing to have him here. I hope he
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 7: stays here. If I'm Kyle, I'm like, dude, come along
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 7: with us, please help you've coached in this league at Wisconsin,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 7: help us navigate this. That's what I would do if
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 7: I was Kyle, I would try and bring Gary Anderson with.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 8: Me for sure.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised by that. Jerem Jordan is
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: our guest here a Little Red and Blue talking about
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: BYU just wrapping up their season with a Pop Tarts
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: Bowl victory over Georgia Tech. The transfer portal opens on Friday,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: and Utah got the bad news today that John Henry Daily,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: their best defensive player from this past season, intends to
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: enter said transfer portal.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 4: Is there any.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: Scuttle butts around certain BYU players that has the fan
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: base nervous?
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 7: I mean, some people think Paula tells thought to WALLI
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 7: might you know, go to Michigan with Jay? He is
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 7: a guy that Yeah, I've been loyal to Colonne, loyal
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 7: to Jay, so that'd be one that I keep an
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 7: eye on. But outside of that, I feel pretty confident
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 7: the boy is going to retain most of the guys.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 7: I think people that come to BYU typically, you know,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 7: for the most part, enjoy their experience here, stay here.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 7: You know their exceptions including you mentioned John Henry Daily,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 7: which I'm hearing Michigan and Texas and M are interested
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 7: in him quite a bit. Obviously Michigan, but A and
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 7: M would be interesting giving the connection to his grandparents.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 7: His grandpa taught it in college station at six A
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 7: and M, and obviously uncles had played at Boy and
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 7: Newtown whatnot. Almost played at A and M, so that'd
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 7: be interesting. Yeah, I think it's mainly folatile, not hearing
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 7: much on anyone else. But you always pretty interesting with
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 7: the portal, Like if they get a portal guy, it's
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 7: like a ninety chance they are in the two deep.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 7: It's it's and that's with a lot of schools, like
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 7: if you bring a guy in, they're not gonna You're
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 7: not bringing a guy in too much to hey ride
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 7: the pine and be a bench guy. You're coming in
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 7: to actually play. I think Carson Ryan was the best
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 7: example that had an outstanding year, peaked with eight for one,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 7: a great game against Georgia Tech. It was fun to see.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I got I got a lot of heat from
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: Utah fans when I talked about how he was at loss.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: Everyone was like all in on Todd O Vasa being
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: the big issue there, and certainly, you know, he had
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: a solid season for BYU and he was a big
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: loss for Utah. But I thought that Carson Ryan was
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: going to have this kind of a year and he
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: ended up doing it. And look, Dallan Bentley at Utah
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: made his presence less obvious or I guess his absence
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: less obvious. Carson Ryan's absence less obvious because Dallen really
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: rose to the occasion had a great year. But Carson
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: Ryan was an excellent player at BYU, and I don't
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: know why people didn't think it was going to be
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: that way.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 7: You know, you were on it and that's your credit. Keanu.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 7: Keanu was interesting because I don't think he had the
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 7: kind of year that he was hoping for. I think BYU,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 7: from my understanding, is they were more like a right.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 7: Our system is different. You need to plug into that,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 7: and then you need your stats might not be as big,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 7: but you need to plug into the system, and this
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 7: is what we needed to do. And so he ends
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 7: up with twenty five tackles, four and a half CFL,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 7: two stacks. He does block a field goal in against
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 7: Georgia Technic kind swung the momentum which was a big play,
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 7: and he mentioned there's a high likelihood of him coming
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 7: back to YU. So I'm looking forward to him hopefully
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 7: hopefully getting you know, closer to you know, eight or
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 7: ten sacks and being an NFL guy coming up in
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 7: the future.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: So when you talk about Fella, Tel Satawala and I'm
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: jumping around a little bit here. He's a guy that
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: you look at it and you say, yeah, kid could
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: play anywhere. He's got the frame, got the athleticism, got
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: the speed. One of the interesting things about this dynamic
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: when people are like, oh, who's Kyle winning?
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 4: Him going to take with him?
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: From a player standpoint, Kyle showed up at a Michigan
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: practice and probably was looking around on the field even
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: though they didn't have a great year as a team,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: and just be like, oh, my goodness, look at these freaks.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: Because the Michigan roster and the Utah roster are not
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: equal from a raw talent standpoint. The Michigan roster and
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: the BYU roster are not equal from a raw talent
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: in five star recruiting thing like that standpoint, And it
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: begs the question for me, like, how many guys you
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: actually can take from the State of Utah. Now, I
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: think that there's more than a handful. I think that
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: both of these rosters are underrated for the measurables and
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: things like that. But it's not like you could just
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: plug and play everyone from BYU or Utah at Michigan
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: and expect that that team is gonna you know, be
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: competing for Big Ten championships no matter how good the
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: staff is that Kyle puts together. So does it help
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: BYU and Utah that the athleticism bar at Michigan is
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: a little bit higher than either of those schools.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 7: And there's a certain yeah, there's a certain you know, regionality.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 7: Michigan recruits nationally, but like you're gonna get the I'm
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 7: gonna go on a minor soapbox thing here in the
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 7: eighteen hundreds, you know, Ohio is in the Midwest, but
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 7: not anymore that should be called Mideast. I have more
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 7: mid East regionally people, right, Like they can recruit wherever
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 7: they want, but like there could be a poly pipeline
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 7: that goes to Michigan that wasn't there before with Kyle's
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 7: connections obviously, And yeah, you're right, there could be certain
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 7: people from Utah. But I'm not sure that Boa and
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 7: Utah get plucked as much as we think because Michigan,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 7: granted they can you know, transfer, they just signed ten
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 7: four stars and two five stars. To your point, they
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 7: were eleventh and twenty four to seven sports recruiting rankings.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 7: Like they don't need a time from you know, BYU
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 7: and Utah per se, will there be a few of
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 7: the trickle over due to the relationships with current coaches
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 7: and whatnot? Yeah, absolutely that makes sense. But yeah, I'm
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 7: with you. I think I think boy and Utah are
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 7: in a good spot culturally that they retained probably a
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 7: lot of these guys.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 4: How much are they gonna have to pay bear Bachmeyer?
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 3: It seems like he really likes Provo, he likes the
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: BYU thing. Yeah, his brother is there. But you know,
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: he's gonna come back next year as a top twenty
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: and I think maybe higher than that quarterback turning in
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: the country after a phenomenal freshman campaign.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 4: So you know, it still is a business.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I just want like fifteen or ten percent of
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 7: whatever seat he's getting for myself. I would I would
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 7: take I would take that. Yeah, if I'm him, you know,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 7: obviously you go in and you say, hey, this is
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 7: great year. I'm wondering if I can get this kind
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 7: of it's kind of a mount and you know, it's
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 7: all like we've talked about, it's all structured out of like, Okay,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 7: if you're an All American, if you're a first TEAMO Conference,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 7: if you're a starter if you're this so Byu is
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 7: you know on it and understand, and the fit is
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 7: really good, Like you mentioned, I think Bear for being
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 7: a guy who's now a member of the Church US
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 7: Crest Lady Saints, fits super well. At Uyu enjoys focusing
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 7: on ball here, enjoys his teammates, his brothers, as he said,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 7: a bunch, and obviously got to play with Tiger this year,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 7: which is great. And so yeah, the future looks bright
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 7: man at that position with Roger Lyons after mission as.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: Well, So the Kilanie goes to bat for his assistant coaches.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: Everyone gets, you know, an elevated payscale, just like Kilanie does.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: At least that's what the reports came back after the
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: Penn State attempt to poach him to Happy Valley, their
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: version of Happy Valley. And you know, you would think, oh,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: that means everyone's happier, everyone's great, everyone like. And yet
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: you hear the rumor mill, and I don't lend too
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: much credence to most rumor mills, but you hear like,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: maybe Aaron Roderick would rather be at Utah under Morgan
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: Scaly than at Byu under Kilane. Well, he's developed three
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: quarterbacks very successfully at BUYU, and that's probably under shooting
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: it in terms of the number. And you know they
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: had a really good offensive year in a twelve win season.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: Is Aaron Rodrick potentially on the move.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 7: It's a good question Ellly Aeron can probably answer. But
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 7: my sense is that he really enjoys being here and
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 7: the ability to be creative and the ability to be
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 7: a his alma mater. I think obviously it feels like
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 7: his wings were clipped just a little bit when it's
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 7: in his time that Utaw that it felt like for
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 7: a time there where you know he maybe couldn't kind
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 7: of expand and kind of do it. He's been able
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 7: to do here at BYU. That's been just kind of
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 7: my sense observing the past kind of decade there. But
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 7: Aaron's done a great job. There's some haters of a round.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 7: I don't know why. I just look at like it's
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 7: now like three quarterbacks that have played in the NFL
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 7: in Zach, Jaron and Keaton Slows and then Bear is
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 7: one of the best. That's not the best freshman QB
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 7: in America? Like what else do you want from this guy? BYU? Offensively, certainly,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 7: could they put up bigger numbers in certain situations, yes,
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 7: but he is more about just situationally, what do we
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 7: need to do to win this game? And he's been
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 7: the ocum. A team that's won twenty three games last
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  Speaker 7: year is in a power league. I'd be like, I'm
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  Speaker 7: not sure how much better it can be. And BYU,
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 7: they just recruited one of the best quarterbacks in the
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  Speaker 7: country to come here after this mission, so things are
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  Speaker 7: going spectacularly. Also, the Big twelve Offensive Player of the
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 7: Year just came from YU and LJ. Martin, like running
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  Speaker 7: backs have been tremendous with you know, Tyler Algier recently,
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  Speaker 7: and Chris Brooks is in the NFL the Packers, and
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  Speaker 7: now LJ. Martin's probably going to be in the league
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  Speaker 7: either next year of the year after that. Things are
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  Speaker 7: going great here. I'm not sure. I'm not sure what
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  Speaker 7: else people want.
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  Speaker 4: Would it be next year or the year after that?
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  Speaker 4: Do you think for LJ. Martin making his transition to
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  Speaker 4: the NFL.
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  Speaker 7: All the indications I've been told is that LJ will return.
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  Speaker 7: He has yet to say that officially, but multiple sources
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  Speaker 7: have told me that he's leaning that direction, which is great.
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  Speaker 7: I think BYU should start as the top fifteen team
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  Speaker 7: if Baron LJ return, and that would be the greatest
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  Speaker 7: I think post Christmas present. The UA fans can get it. Hey,
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  Speaker 7: Ljay's coming back.
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  Speaker 4: After a great year like this.
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  Speaker 3: How how many by you guys are going to be
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  Speaker 3: impact players from this roster in the NFL, the ones
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  Speaker 3: that are moving on.
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  Speaker 7: It's a good question. You know, Jack Kelly seems like
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  Speaker 7: the most draftable prospect at the moment, and we'll see
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  Speaker 7: who else is kind of in the mix there, but
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  Speaker 7: I think it'll be a few years before we see
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  Speaker 7: the true kind of NFL impact of these guys with
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 7: l J and Isaiah Glasker and and you know what
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 7: does Chase Roberts end up doing whether he's a late
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  Speaker 7: draft pick or an undrafted free agent like he's he's
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 7: a long stritter. He's not gonna he's not gonna perhaps
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  Speaker 7: run the hopefully it runs like a four five nine,
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 7: And he's in the mix kind of like a Puka
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  Speaker 7: where he gets on a roster and I'm not saying
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 7: he's gonna be Pooka, but just has a chance even
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 7: though he's not like a four to four receiver in
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 7: the underwear Olympics coming up in a couple months. But
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  Speaker 7: I think BYU is on its way to producing more
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  Speaker 7: NFL talent, and they're winning as a team with guys
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  Speaker 7: who were mostly three and a few four stars, and
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  Speaker 7: to start to have more four stars now and recruiting
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  Speaker 7: and produce even more NFL talent. But the development is
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  Speaker 7: there by he's been recruiting decently and overachieving with those guys.
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  Speaker 7: I think they're going to achieve at a higher level
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  Speaker 7: with even more talented guys and produce more NFL guys
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  Speaker 7: the next couple.
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  Speaker 3: Years can be Why you do anything for Puka Nakua
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  Speaker 3: right now? Obviously on the field he needs no help
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 3: some of the off the field stuff, you're like, come on, man,
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  Speaker 3: don't screw this up for yourself.
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  Speaker 4: And he's not like.
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  Speaker 3: He's not too far gone by anything any stretch of
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  Speaker 3: the imagination.
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  Speaker 4: He just seems like maybe he could benefit from a
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  Speaker 4: little bit more of the BYU style influence, if I'm
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  Speaker 4: making sense there. But officially it's not their role anymore.
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  Speaker 3: Still, the mission statement of BYU as a university, and
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  Speaker 3: obviously from the football program's perspective, they want to make
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  Speaker 3: sure that they help people you know, make the right
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  Speaker 3: decisions all through life and end up in the right
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: environments all through life and things like that. So is
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 3: there anything BYU football can do to help Pooka and
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  Speaker 3: Akua with some of.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 4: This off the field stuff.
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  Speaker 7: Hey, you know that Kilani and everybody's arms are open.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 7: Kugarnation loves loves Pooka, and anyone that knows him knows
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 7: his intent is pure at heart, and he's a He's
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  Speaker 7: a good dude that's trying to do good in the
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  Speaker 7: world and so kind to see what he's done on
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  Speaker 7: the field, and we continue to wish him the best
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 7: luck with everything because he nearly made the greatest catch
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 7: I've ever seen in my life yesterday with the one hand,
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  Speaker 7: with the left hand.
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  Speaker 3: But I was, yeah, it was so sad to see
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: the angle that showed the ball. I was like, because
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  Speaker 3: I like the seven different angles. I was like, that
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  Speaker 3: is a catch. That's a catch. You can't take that
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  Speaker 3: away from that's a catch. And then you know, I
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  Speaker 3: hate when the referees are right, but in that case
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  Speaker 3: they were because of that one angle that showed it
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  Speaker 3: airborne as he was hitting the out of bounds.
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  Speaker 7: It's crazy, like with four fingers. You know, he almost
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  Speaker 7: made top three catch in NFL history. Crazy. I mean,
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  Speaker 7: it's funny that it went viral even though he did it.
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  Speaker 7: That's how popular he is.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a different thing. I I'm very, very excited
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: to see what his contract ends up looking like when
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: he becomes eligible for that extension of softseason.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 7: And how about how about Puka and Fred doing commercials
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 7: together NFC West rivals, but BYU guys together. It's just
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 7: it's just cool to see that those guys have thrived
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  Speaker 7: so much in the NFL.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's truly remarkable. And you and I have talked
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: about this in the past, but it's remarkable the sort
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: of quality versus quantity representation that BYU has pulled off
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 3: in recent years in the NFL. Because I think justifiably so,
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 3: there was like some criticism and some angst like, hey,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: you know, we're not producing these the NFL guys, Like
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 3: even Bronco Menenhall with a bunch of ten win seasons
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  Speaker 3: wasn't putting a ton of bodies into the NFL. But
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  Speaker 3: then it's like, okay, true, but look at what Kyle
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  Speaker 3: van Noy's career has been. Look what Fred Warner's career
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  Speaker 3: has been Look what Puka's doing right now.
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  Speaker 4: Taysom Taysom Hill.
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  Speaker 3: I mean it's just like it's like one each year
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  Speaker 3: ends up being amazing.
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  Speaker 7: And let's be honest, if you have that guy versus
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  Speaker 7: you know, a bunch of just kind of backups, it's
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  Speaker 7: better to have the one. You have people that people know,
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 7: they have their jerseys, like Puka's jersey is super popular. Yeah,
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 7: it's that's what matters. And from you either hoping that
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 7: Jack Kelly is that guy that makes an impact at
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 7: the next level and then you go beyond that and
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 7: then you know, you hope you retain a poloitels out
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 7: to well, you hope he's the next Kyle Hamilton sixty
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 7: five rangey safety in the NFL. That's kind of a
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 7: modern safety that can do it all. And Ballhawk and
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 7: the taller kind of Coola kind of guys be kind
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 7: of so yeah, it's it's it's going really well. From
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 7: Yu and and you want more Ziggies and more uh
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 7: you know, Taysom Hills and so on and so forth.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 7: Taysom's unique. That's not a good example, and Ziggy isn't
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 7: because he's crazy different but it's the Tyler Algiers and
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 7: the Jamal and they're getting these guys to the next
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 7: level because that doesn't matter. Like they guys want to
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 7: play in the NFL, and they've they've found that, Hey,
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 7: come to BYU and you can be that. Maybe you're
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  Speaker 4: Are you a New Year's resolution guy, Jerem, It's.
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  Speaker 7: Not really no, are you?
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  Speaker 4: No, I'm not.
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  Speaker 3: My wife's family has a long standing tradition where you
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• 1:17:30
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• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: After you write them down, you review them the following
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  Speaker 7: That's January eighteenth for me, Where I go? What is
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  Speaker 3: I think he'd be fun to have at the University
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  Speaker 6: And there were times last year, really until the playoff,
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  Speaker 6: they looked all season, so it anyway, I don't know
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  Speaker 6: that he was near as good at Ohio State that
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  Speaker 3: So look, I really like Chip. Chip is awesome to
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  Speaker 3: at Oregon just everyone's caught up. If I'm being honest,
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• 1:25:24
  Speaker 4: He's got a great TV gig right now.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 3: But those like innovative spread concept, get the speed in
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 3: space kind of a thing.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 4: Everyone does that. Now you're you're not.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 3: Fooling anybody anymore. Everyone knows how to scheme against it.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: It's almost impossible to trick teams nowadays.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 4: You have to be.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: Better, You have to be more disciplined in your execution,
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 3: and you have to have the athletes to physically outplay people.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 3: And it's gonna be really, really hard for Chip Kelly
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 3: to look good as the play caller at Northwestern.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 4: So I don't like this job for him.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 6: That all being said, for Northwestern, you gotta be excited
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 6: that you got a guy like Chip Kelly, because north
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 6: for Northwestern incredible higher Like who when is the last
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 6: time we even knew who the Northwestern offensive coordinator was?
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 6: Besides when he joined Utah as an analyst right if
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 6: he hadn't to join the last the last guy, if
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 6: he hadn't to join Utah as an analysts last year,
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 6: we wouldn't have known who the Northwestern offensive coordinator was.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 6: Now everyone in the nation knows who their O C is,
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 6: So I mean it's a great hire for them. But
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 6: I'm with you, I'm not sure if it's really gonna
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 6: yield the results that we all think it will based
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 6: on the based off of the name and brand Chip
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 6: Kelly is created for himself.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 8: Uh.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 3: Pro Football Hall of Fame finalists have been announced. Our guy,
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 3: Eric Weddle needs to be on this list sooner than later.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 3: But UH, tell me, tell me who you're leaving off
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: of the Hall of Fame vote.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 4: If this is the list you're presented with, Drew Brees.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 3: Larry Fitzgerald, Jason Witten, Frank Gore, Tory Holt, Luke Keighley,
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 3: Adam Vinteri, Eli Manning, Reggie, Wayne t Sizzle.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 4: Terrell Suggs.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: It's just a murderer's row there. Now, there are people
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 3: I've had this debate before. There are people that are like,
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 3: you don't put Frank Gore in the Hall of Fame
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 3: just because of his longevity, and I strongly reject that proposal.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 4: I think that's exactly why you put Frank Gore in
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 4: the Hall of Fame, because he played a position with
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 4: a short shelf life for two decades.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 3: He did what nobody else could do. Was he ever
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 3: the best running back in the NFL. No, And that's
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 3: usually kind of my litmus test. Were you top to
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 3: top three at your position for more than a year
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 3: or so, and can we tell the NFL story without you? Well,
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: Frank Gore is a he's a freak out liar. I
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 3: think extreme longevity. He should be rewarded with Hall of
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 3: Fame induction pretty much at any sport.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 4: And Frank Gorer deserves to be there for me?
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 5: Does he? Does he?
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 6: And I mean no disrespect to Frank Gore when I
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 6: say this, it's gonna sound somewhat disrespectful though maybe to
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 6: some people, including yourself. Great Niners fan, always been a
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 6: Frank Gore fan. But is he kind of like the
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 6: Kirk Farents of this list though, where it's like you
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 6: have you. Kirk Farens is the all time winning his
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 6: coach in the Big Ten, but no one would say
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 6: he's anywhere near the greatest coaches in Big ten history.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 6: Frank Gore is what third all time in yards But
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 6: I feel like there's a lot of people that would
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 6: say he blended in kind of too much, but during
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 6: his career, no one would. There's a lot of people
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 6: to be like, well, no, he was never top three
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 6: in the league as in any given year of his career.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 6: So and I I'd like to reward the longevity, but
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 6: I wonder if it's like, is he kind of Kirk
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 6: ferensish in that way?
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 3: Here's another reason why you put him in the Hall
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 3: of Fame because he has exactly sixteen thousand yards.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a great Okay.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 3: It's like when your symmetry, you're filling up the gas
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 3: right and you're trying to like, I got to hit
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 3: that fifty dollars and then you let go of the
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 3: thing at the exact right time.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 4: He somehow did that with rushing yards in the NFL.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 4: I don't know how you do it.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that that is that is actually remark well, you
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 6: know what, Kirk ference is the best coach in Big
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 6: ten history.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 3: Look, no, it's it's tough because when you do compare
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 3: him to the other guys on that list, Emma Smith,
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 3: Walter Payton, then Frank Gore, number three, Barry Sanders, Adrian Peterson,
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 3: Curtis Martin, the Danian, Tomlinson, Jerome Bettis, Eric Dickerson, Derrick Henry.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 3: The only active guy in the top ten right now,
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 3: he's sitting at number ten, like all those other guys
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 3: are Hall of famers, and so you're gonna tell Frank
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: Gore sorry, you played a lot longer than most of them.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 3: Not a lot longer than Emma did, but a lot
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 3: longer than most of them, and that is going to
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 3: be used against you here. I think it is the
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 3: reason why you put him in the Hall of Fame.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 4: That's just me.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 5: Though I would love it if he gets in.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 6: I just wonder if the fame part, the lack thereof,
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 6: for him, works against him a little too much.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 3: Steve Smith, Senior, former ute and Philip Rivers not among
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 3: the finalists now. Rivers he can't be because appearing in
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 3: an NFL game, signing an NFL contract, playing for the
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 3: Colds of this year reset his clock for another five years.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 3: But as we talked about with several guys Jeff Schwartz,
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 3: Eric Weddle, etcetera, it also resets his.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 4: Health insurance eligibility.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 3: So for a man with ten children, that is worth
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 3: it to come out of retirement and get that premium
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 3: healthcare for another five years.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 4: That's great stuff.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 6: He probably would have been a finalist, right, I don't
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 6: I don't think he's a Hall of Famer, but I
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 6: feel like I'm in the minority on that. So I
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 6: feel like he probably would have been a finalist had
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 6: he not returned this season.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 5: He was a semi finalist.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 3: It's really tough when you talk about quarterbacks in the
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 3: Pro Football Hall of Fame, because Philip Rivers from a
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 3: numbers standpoint belongs in the Hall of Fame. Philip Rivers
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 3: from a one meaningful game standpoint probably doesn't. He's in
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 3: that Matt Ryan conversation where these guys were just incredibly prolific,
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 3: but they never won super Bowls.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 4: Super Bowls. A lot of people are like, that's not
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 4: a QB stat while you're turning it into a QB stat.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 3: Well, it's I'm always here for the debate. Philip Rivers
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 3: is gonna end up in the Hall of Fame kind
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 3: of for some of the reasons that you're talking about,
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 3: maybe Frank Goreon not getting in because the prominence people
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 3: knowing who he was and saying he was a top two, three,
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 3: four quarterback. You remember, for the all of those years,
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 3: we would be like, all right, Tom Brady, Drew Peyton Manning,
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 3: and depending on the year, you'd put Philip Rivers into
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 3: the conversation, or you'd leave him out. You put Russell
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 3: Wilson into the conversation, or you'd leave him out. You
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 3: put Ben Roethlisberger into the conversation, or you'd leave him out.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 3: Philip Rivers will probably be a finalist. I think he'll
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 3: eventually get into the Hall of Fame. But there's gonna
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 3: be now, in this modern era where the numbers are
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 3: so inflated, there's gonna be a different lens that you
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 3: look at some of those guys with, and he might
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 3: be He could be potentially the first casualty of it,
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 3: if that makes sense.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 6: See, when it comes to the Matt Ryan versus Philip
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 6: Rivers debate, I mean, Matt Ryan was an MVP, Philip
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 6: Rivers didn't really ever get close to.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 5: Winning an MVP.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 6: Matt Ryan took a team to the Super Bowl. Philip
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 6: Rivers went to one AFC championship game. I mean, I
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 6: feel like neither one won the big game, the biggest game,
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 6: the Super Bowl. I feel like it's I mean, Matt
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 6: Ryan for me, is way closer to the Hall of
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 6: Fame than Philip Rivers.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 3: Let's see, let's take a look at their resumes, the
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 3: All Pro and all that kind of stuff. Philip Rivers
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 3: was an eight time Pro Bowler. He's, according to Pro
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 3: Football Reference, who's never an All Pro guy. Matt Ryan
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 3: was one time All Pro, four time Pro Bowl.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 4: So Matt Ryan less popular than Philip Rivers.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 3: But he has the All Pro distinction, which is a
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 3: little bit more prestigious there.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 5: And I guess it was his MVP season was the
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 5: only year he was All Pro.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 3: And their total yardage is I mean pretty comparable. Sixty
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 3: two thousand plus almost sixty three thousand for Matt Ryan,
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 3: almost sixty four thousand.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 4: Yards for Philip Rivers. Four hundred and twenty five touchdowns
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 4: to two hundred and twelve interceptions for Philip Rivers, three
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 4: eighty one to one eighty three for Matt Ryan.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 3: So, I mean, these are these are the guys that
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 3: you're gonna look at it and you're gonna say, do
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 3: they belong in the Hall of Fame? Their numbers are
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 3: exponentially better than some quarterbacks who are already in the
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 3: Pro Football Hall of Fame. Definitely true. But did they win?
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 3: Did they win at all? I mean, what the what
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 3: the Pro Football Hall of Fame needs? To do to
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 3: start making it even more prestigious, is they need to
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 3: cap every position at like a certain number of players
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 3: that can be in there, and then they just need
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 3: to like shave off. If you want to put Philip
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 3: Rivers in, you got to take Joe Namath out or
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 3: something like that. Gotta have an elimination process, you got it,
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 3: because like we we've already put one hundred quarterbacks in.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 3: We don't want anymore. So who are you taking out
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 3: so you can put it in Philip Rivers?
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 4: And there's plenty of guys, by the way, that you'd
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 4: feel okay taking out.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 3: There's there's there's quarterbacks in the Pro Football Hall of
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 3: Fame who have negative touchdown to interception ratios.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 6: Joe By have the worst stats of any Hall of
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 6: Famer in any sport ever. But he is he was
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 6: the He's arguably the most famous quarterback, you know, pre
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 6: nineteen ninety in NFL history, right, and he's among the
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 6: most famous quarterbacks in NFL history. Maybe not the most
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 6: famous anymore, but he's still among the most famous ever.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 5: And it is the Hall of Fame. But yeah, his
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 5: stats are terrible.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 3: Five time Pro Bowler, one time All Pro, he is
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 3: in the Hall of Fame. He lost more games than
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 3: he won As a starter, he had a fifty percent
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 3: completion percentage. He threw two hundred and twenty interceptions and
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 3: one hundred and seventy three touchdowns.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 6: He just terrible, but he but he he predicted an
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 6: upset win over the best team in the league at
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 6: that time, the best and one of the best teams
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 6: of that era, the Baltimore Colts Johnny Unitas, another really
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 6: famous old time quarterback, and they and it turned out
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 6: well for them.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 4: So he is.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 6: He's Broadway Joe. He's super famous. He's a Hall of Famer.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 3: It's why your numbers can't tell the whole story for
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 3: Hall of Fame in any sport, I think really the
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 3: best litmus test is, can you like write a complete
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 3: history book right that is fun to read, that is
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 3: not just excessively minute tenance details. Can you write the
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 3: history of a sport and leave somebody out? Then they
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 3: you probably could leave him out of the Hall of Fame.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 3: Can't you write the history of the NFL without Joe Namath? Well, yeah,
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 3: but it's gonna be slightly less complete and a little
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 3: bit more boring. In those early years, if you don't
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 3: tell the story of Broadway Joe. So yes, he belongs
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 3: to the Hall of Fame. It's why I think Dale
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 3: Murphy belongs to the Hall of Fame in baseball. Not
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 3: only did he have great numbers, but like you can't
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 3: just be like, yeah, this multiple time MVP. We're not
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 3: gonna mention him when we go through that chapter of
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 3: Baseball one.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 6: When you talk about the the influence how he became
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 6: a nationwide star because of TBS broadcasting games and home
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 6: broadcast for the Braves nationwide, I mean, that's a that's
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 6: a non insignificant if. If, that's a if. That's a
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 6: way to say something part of baseball history. Even though
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 6: he didn't win much as a team. The Braves didn't
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 6: win much when he was there, but he helped further
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 6: the popularity of baseball via what the Braves are doing
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 6: with with TBS and him being.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 5: Such a standout player.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 6: So I think that that's that should be considered when
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 6: you talk about can you write the story of baseball
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 6: without him?
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 5: I'm not sure he can.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 6: Because of that and because he was he had terrific stats,
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 6: terrific MLB career.
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  Speaker 3: And actually, you know, with the playoffs coming, it's going
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  Speaker 4: NFL season.
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  Speaker 3: So multiple nights a week you should come down to
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  Speaker 3: Big Willies and watch NFL football.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, all right.
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  Speaker 3: Pool Hall is number one in the state sports bar,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm about to dive into this burger.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, we really appreciate you guys coming down here and
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I told everyone I'm sitting down and right next
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  Speaker 3: And quite easily, I've got like seven TVs within a
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  Speaker 8: You're welcome.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you guys, always a pleasure.
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  Speaker 3: And Jeff Schwartz will join us next on the Sean
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  Speaker 3: O'Connell Show at ESPN seven hundred ninety two.
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  Speaker 8: Onefl we me.
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  Speaker 1: No, you were listening to a Sean O'Connell show. Source
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  Speaker 1: to one a half.
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  Speaker 3: Amy, Welcome to ourn up for three of the Sean
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  Speaker 3: O'Connell Show. Come at you from Big Willi's today seventeen
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  Speaker 3: seventeen South Main Drink specials, food specials going on all
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  Speaker 3: week and weekend. Long New Year's Eve party tomorrow after
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  Speaker 3: the Utah Bowl game in Vegas.
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  Speaker 4: Have a balloon drop where the balloons you pop them
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  Speaker 4: and there's prizes inside the balloons, a.
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  Speaker 3: Dollar to one hundred dollars, gift cards, all that kind
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  Speaker 3: of stuff. Swing on down here to seventeen seventeenth South
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  Speaker 3: Main Street.
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  Speaker 4: Welcome in Jeff.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 3: Schwartz, football expert here on the Sean O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 4: Who joins us every single week. Jeff, how are you?
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  Speaker 8: I'm good. We have made development that's been positive. When
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 8: I say I'm going on with Shawn now, my wife
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 8: no longer asks who.
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  Speaker 4: So after eight years eight years, so she.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 8: I said, s she's downstairs with Sean. And she didn't
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 8: say who. She ignored me. She might not actually know still,
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 8: but she she she she didn't say who today, So
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 8: I mean, you know, maybe getting us those nice tickets
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  Speaker 8: to the to the PFL event changed her changed her
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 8: mind on you. I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I'm a meaning to tell you.
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  Speaker 6: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: The schedule that I was setting for next year has
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 3: a Charlotte date on it.
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  Speaker 8: So does it again? Oh, we're we we will, We'll
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 8: get like a babysitter that look, we'll stay overnight or something.
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  Speaker 12: We'll we'll.
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  Speaker 8: Uh. That was a ton of fun, is it.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's in the summer. I'll look it up
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  Speaker 4: while we're talking.
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  Speaker 8: Okay, great. Uh we are in at bo Jangles again,
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 8: same place, I believe. So are you like? Are you
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 8: in like the big boy Jim, like the Time Warner
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 8: of the Spectrum Center? But uh, I'm all in again
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  Speaker 8: for that. And I'll tell you what I'm I'm you
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 8: can say you were right again what you said last
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  Speaker 8: week to me. I think I'm okay to take that
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 8: again if you would like to say that again. While
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 8: everyone can hear you, I can't.
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  Speaker 4: Tell you how many times I have cringed and gritted
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 4: my teeth over the fact that I'm just like, Gosh, Jeff,
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 4: because you're right the whole thing. You're right about too
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 4: many things. I don't like it.
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  Speaker 3: But the head coach and waiting thing has made this
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 3: a complicated situation for Utah, and in a way that
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 3: now it became complicated for Morgan Scalley himself. Now, I
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  Speaker 3: will go on record as many times as I need
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 3: to to say I think Morgan's gonna be fine. I
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 3: think he's gonna be a great coach at the University
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 3: of Utah. But the transition is now going to be
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 3: more difficult. And that is because of how it went down,
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 3: because of how these last couple of years of people waiting.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 3: And you heard Kyle Whittingham admitt like, I did it
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 3: wrong when people started asking me about my age and
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 3: retirement at Utah. I was answering the question instead of
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 3: just saying, like, none of your business. And so it
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 3: created these false timelines that put us in the situation
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 3: we're in now.
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  Speaker 4: But yes, I will reiterate you were right.
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  Speaker 12: Do you think he told the Utah harlan whoever it was,
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 12: that he wanted to keep coaching or do you think
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 12: they just assumed he didn't and then sort of asked
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 12: him a step aside, like do you.
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  Speaker 8: Think he went? And I still feel like coaching and
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 8: they're like, no, not you're you're done here.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, And it wasn't quite as simple as that from
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 3: everything that I've heard, but that when he said I
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 3: wanted to keep coaching, there was some discomfort and how
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 3: long he said he wanted to keep coaching, and how
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 3: much money he said he wanted in order to keep coaching,
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 3: and I think it just, you know, it became untenable,
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 3: but thankfully not not angry, thankfully not ugly between the parties.
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  Speaker 3: I think it was just like, you know, those discussions
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 3: led to a point where they both realized that the
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 3: time to move on was now, and Kyle Whittingham that
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 3: was a lot easier to swallow and to accept because
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 3: his agent had reached.
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  Speaker 4: Out to Michigan.
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  Speaker 3: That's that's what I have put together in my own
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 3: tiny world time line.
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  Speaker 8: So when when he decided to step away, he was
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 8: already at least in exploratory talks with Michigan.
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  Speaker 4: I believe, Yes, Okay, I.
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  Speaker 8: Mean that's that's look. I think that every coach had
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 8: exploratory talks every year with teams, right like that. Exploratory
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 8: can be a wide range of things, right, I think
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 8: that's the agent's job. And then the coach's jobed at
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 8: least like thick about that and and think about what
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 8: I just can't believe how lucky Michigan got here, like
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 8: like like to have that scandal that you had ended
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 8: up with Kyle Whittingham. I still think he can coach.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 8: I think we all agree on that. I understand. You know, look,
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 8: I understand that it was time for Morgan Scalley, and
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 8: certainly that's a fair discussion to have in Utah fans
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 8: get pretty upset with me when I sort of talk
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 8: about how I think that, you know, if Kyle Woodenham
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 8: wanted to stay, he stays. But look, I mean that's
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 8: that's the way it went down in Michigan just got
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 8: it was weird to that video of him in the
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 8: Michigan closed for the first time, But you know, they
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 8: got a fantastic coach. Why do you think Utah fans
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 8: like on the internet? Man, some are just like very
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 8: angry about like, no, no longer, it's a statue. What
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 8: do you mean nor it's a statue. He's like the
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 8: best coud you've ever had? What do you mean no longer?
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 8: It's all that stuff is still still happened, and it
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 8: doesn't go awake as he went to Michigan.
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  Speaker 3: People are having a hard time right now because Kyle
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 3: Whittingham for two plus years, he's been saying I want
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 3: to leave the program in a good place, and we
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 3: believe everything that Kyle Whittingham says. We take his statements
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 3: at face value because that's kind of what you've needed
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 3: to do for as long as most of us have
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 3: known him. And they don't feel like I want to
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 3: leave the program in a good place can coexist with
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 3: I'm also taking Jason Beck and probably some players, and
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 3: probably Jim Harding and probably Lewis Powell. Like people have
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 3: a hard time allowing those two things to exist in
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 3: the same world where he doesn't necessarily have to have
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 3: ill intentions for Utah while trying to set himself up
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 3: for success at one of the highest demand jobs in
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  Speaker 3: the business.
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  Speaker 8: So do you think that, like Morgan Scalley was gonna
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 8: keep the entire staff, that I was gonna roll back
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 8: to what it was, or was there gonna be any
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 8: sort of adjustment of the staff, Like was he just
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 8: taking over this is this is the this is the
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 8: coach or anything that I just I don't like personally
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 8: because I feel like when you're a head coach, you
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 8: need to have your own things. It's your own like
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 8: job now and just keeping the same staff but trying
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 8: to be sort of the old coach, but you have
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 8: to be a new coach like that. I didn't just
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 8: really hard to needle the thread. So I don't. I
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 8: don't think it's terribly a bad thing for Morgan skuy
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 8: to find his new offensive coordinator Like that feels like
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 8: something that would be good for him. It's his job.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 8: Now find your OC that's gonna fit what you need
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 8: to do now. Jim Hardy is a big loss, is
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 8: such a good coach, So the the the Jordan Gross stuff,
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 8: like he's gonna he might actually coach. Like that's the
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 8: real thing I was.
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 3: I've been told by a very good authority that if
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 3: Morgan calls him and says we to do this, he's
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 3: in awesome.
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 8: I probably text him be like, Yo, you need to
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 8: assistant offensive line coach who works from Charlotte. I'm in.
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 4: Working remote as a football coach would be the funniest
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 4: thing ever. If what working remote as a football coach
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 4: would be the funniest thing ever? I mean, it is
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 4: possible by the way, because they've had those like they
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 4: have those little robots where you could put an iPad
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 4: on it and it's a camera, like it's happened when
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 4: guys have been in the hospital and stuff like that.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 4: So maybe you could be the first one to do
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 4: it full.
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 8: Time, just like I'm only going to work four hours
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 8: a day watching film of the opponents. Look, it's kind
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 8: of funnyo all, Like a lot of my friends are
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 8: becoming coaches now, you know, like you and his kids.
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 8: I think Jordan's kids are older now, so he the
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 8: hours make more sense, right like that, you know part
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 8: of it. A lot of guys just don't want to
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 8: do because the hours are really difficult. But if the
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 8: hour his kids are now older now, maybe it makes
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 8: more sense of for him to be the offensive line coach.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 8: He texts me before playoff game two years ago and
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 8: asked me to draw a place for him. They were
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 8: facing a defense that he needs needed some more eyeballs on,
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 8: and I drew up place where He's like, my kids
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 8: can't run this stuff. I'm sorry. I drew up like
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 8: a bunch of like sort of like fancy stuff. Because
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 8: he said the linebackers that were playing were really really
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 8: good and we can't block them. So how do I
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 8: like design run plays to avoid having to block their linebacker?
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 8: So I drew up a bunch of stuff, like a
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 8: bunch of that eye violations and moving parts just to
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 8: like get linebackers seeing the wrong things. He's like, yeah,
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 8: we we just can't do this. So that's that was
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 8: very funny. But Jordan's awesome. He's my mentor. Like, I
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 8: hope he gets opportunity to be a coach. If that's
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 8: what he wants, he'd be excellent at it.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 3: When you committed to play for Oregon, Yeah, what were
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 3: you committing to most? Like your position coach, the guy
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 3: that recruited you, the school itself, the scheme that you
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 3: were going to be playing in. What was the what
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 3: was the thing that you were most committed to.
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 8: I think you was the the program, like the whole thing.
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 8: I don't remember specifically committing for Mike Blotty. I remember
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 8: committing because I liked everything about the program, and that
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 8: obviously has something to do with Mike Blotty, right. But
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 8: I like my offensive line coach. I like the family,
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 8: the real family vibe organ had. It just felt like
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 8: a very like comfortable place to be and you know
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 8: the that's that's why I did it. I've seen this
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 8: for a while, man, I don't think players are committing
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 8: for other reasons besides the same stuff I committed for. Yes,
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 8: there's money evolved now, and some of it is really important,
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 8: some of it's not. Some guys are not making a
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 8: ton of money. They're going to commit to places for
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 8: the same reasons that I committed in two thousand and four.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 8: And I know when you're you know, I know really
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 8: what you're asking about. I feel like you know when
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 8: you when you really do commit, it's about the program, man,
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 8: And it's a out you know, if Morganscley could keep
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 8: that program going. And this again, this is the hard
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 8: to me. It's the hardest part because you want to
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 8: keep the foundation because the foundation has worked. But then
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 8: the foundation work because it's Kyle Whittingham's foundation or the
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 8: school's foundation, like what it And and that's the thing
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 8: that makes it difficult, right, is that warrens Kelly has
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 8: to have his own personality, but he also probably wants
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 8: to keep what's been working and keep the players there
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 8: and keep all the things that have been so good
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 8: for so many years, and that's a hard thing to
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 8: do when now it's your program.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 3: It's really interesting because Morgan at the media availability today
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 3: he said, look, I want to be myself, which alludes
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 3: to what you're talking about. You got to find your
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 3: own flavor to put on even the good stuff. And
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 3: he said the list of people that he doesn't want
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 3: to be like are the foundational coaches of what you
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 3: taught football is now. All of whom he played for
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 3: had some level of relationship with Ron McBride is the
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 3: guy that laid the foundation Urban Meyer had his two years.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 3: Morgan Scalley was a captain on those teams. Kyle Whittingham
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 3: was the coordinator on those teams, and obviously Morgan built
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 3: his entire coaching career under Kyle Whittingham. So it's like
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 3: it's not like he's just replacing Kyle and he only
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 3: has Kyle's influence to draw from. He has direct personal
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 3: experience and relationships with everyone responsible for Utah Football's like
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 3: glory days.
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 8: Does he's gonna ask you to hop on linebacker coach?
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 4: I think probably not. I would.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 3: I would definitely, I would definitely if he was just like,
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 3: we want you to be the very specific coach of
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 3: fullbacks we don't use in the offense and only run
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 3: down on kickoff.
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 4: I'd be like, yeah, I'm in. I could coach that
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 4: one guy, no problem.
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 8: These staffs are so big, Like organ lost a bunch
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 8: of staff members because you know, for like Toss took
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 8: a bunch of guys within the cal and will Stein
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 8: took guys with him, and they're all the analysts, right.
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 8: I saw some number were like Orgon has like thirty
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 8: eight guys on staff, and he took like number thirty
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 8: to thirty eight like that. The staffs now are so big, dude,
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 8: It is crazy how many guys are in the building now.
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 3: It really is ten official position coaches, and then you've
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 3: got assistant coaches basically for all of them, and then
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 3: you've got quality control analysts for all of them.
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 4: So you're talking.
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 8: About four line coaches, the organ, four A line coaches
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 8: the organ credit which is just which is absolutely madness,
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 8: of course. But I hope, I hope Morgan does well.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 8: You know you vouched for him. I don't come out utuk.
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 8: I don't care if you vouch for him, but I
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 8: trust your opinion on it. You know, I think that
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 8: the tweet you put out like the team to pissed
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 8: people off. If Witt wants to keep the job, it's
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 8: his job to keep and I agree with that sentiment.
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 8: Obviously you tadd them either. This just the way it
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 8: went down just puts so much pressure on Morgan Scalley,
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 8: way more than he needed to have, I think, and
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 8: a lot of pressure on Mark Carlan obviously. Right if
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 8: Colin is gonna win it Utah, I mean in Michigan
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 8: right now the degrees, I don't know, but if he
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 8: wins that Utah doesn't, it's going to make things a
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 8: lot very awkward for Morgan Scalley.
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 3: How many players do you think Kyle Woodingham wants from
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 3: the Utah roster to go to Michigan because Michigan is
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 3: in a different realm recruiting wise and athleticism wise. But
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 3: also like Kyle Whittingham's calling card is he finds guys
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 3: and maximizes what they are now starting with better raw
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 3: talent at Michigan I think is going to beautiful for him.
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 3: But there are guys on this Utah roster that I
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 3: think can play and even start at Michigan. I don't
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 3: know if Kyle is interested in taking them, and that
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 3: is now the new fear I think for most people.
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 3: John Henry Day all American defensive end. He announced his
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 3: intentions to be in the transfer portal when it opens
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 3: on Friday. That's a guy I can see being a
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 3: big ten defensive end.
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 4: But how many.
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 3: Players do you think Utah needs to worry about losing,
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 3: specifically to Michigan.
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 8: Well, I heard his comment about that, saying like, I'm
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 8: not going to tamper with players, and I think he's
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 8: honest about that. There's ways of ways to tamper with players, right,
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 8: So I imagine he has an idea of who he wants.
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 8: I mean, look, I think that you know he's look,
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 8: I know coaches say things like, you know, you know,
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 8: I'm not really like a spiteful person. I'm not a
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 8: like of course he is. He's a competitive person. Like
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 8: he's trying to everyone he can, like anyone he can
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 8: that's not tied down, that he thinks is good enough
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 8: to come with them. I imagine he's gonna try to
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 8: get those guys to come with them. Now, I obviously
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 8: he has Underwood, so I don't think he's gonna go
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 8: and try to get Dan Pierre, right, But I would
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 8: imagine that you know, if if if if Spencer Fundo
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 8: was not going to the NFL, I would imagine he'd
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 8: ask him to come with him. Right. You know, you
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 8: have to worry, you have to worry about some of
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 8: the recruiters that that tackle that Utah signed, right, and
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 8: making sure that he commits and stays there. But the resources,
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 8: as you mentioned that, they're just much different in Michigan,
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 8: and so he can probably give guys more money and
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 8: you can point to, you know, maybe more NFL players
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 8: and success he you know, he hasn't had that's a
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 8: Michigan but you point to you know, the playoff wins
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 8: and the overall program history, and a lot of guys
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 8: probably are gonna be excited to come there if they
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 8: if he wants them to come. But I don't I
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 8: don't have that number, if I don't know who that's
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 8: going to be. But look, you know that the quarterback
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 8: at least is not one of those guys because he
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 8: has Brits under what I don't think everyone's gonna go anywhere.
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 8: So that's fascinating to me too, because the one thing
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 8: that I've said about you know, coach Whittingham over the
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 8: years is just the lack of sort of offensive development
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 8: with skill guys and with quarterback play. Now Rising was good,
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 8: but got hurt a bunch. Bryce Underwood in Whittingham feel
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 8: like an odd fit. Just what And so I'm just
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 8: very curious to see how that pans out for him.
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 8: I know we're talking Michigan football, but not Utah. I'm
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 8: just that to me is like the most curious thing.
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 8: I don't I don't know how that's gonna work for
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 8: either party.
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 4: Jeff Schwartz for.
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 3: Another couple of minutes here on the Sean O'Connell show,
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 3: talking all things college football, a focus right now on
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 3: Utah and the departure of Kyle Whittingham to Michigan. Morgan
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 3: Scalley's got a backfill at offensive coordinator position, which, let's
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 3: be honest, was not the sexiest thing and the sexiest
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 3: available job in any cycle because of the Kyle Whittingham reputation.
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 3: As he's trying to find who his offensive coordinator is
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 3: going to be. Does do you think Morgan has to
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 3: overcome some of that still because there's this expectation that, yes,
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 3: it's his program now, but there's gonna be a lot
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 3: of similarities to the old regime, and that old regime
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 3: was one that a lot of offensive coordinators.
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 4: It wouldn't be their first choice.
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 8: But doesn't What happened this year with hiring Beck changed
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 8: that idea because look, I mean, that wasn't outside the
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 8: box hire for this program, right, They went and got
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 8: someone that typically doesn't fit what they've done in the past.
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 8: It does feel like that would entice other coaches to
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 8: want to to come bdoc at Utah.
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 4: I think it does change the whole thing.
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 3: I think that you know, Beck, by the way, was
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 3: a guy that Morgan helped pick, so I think he's
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 3: got a great for all that stuff. And I think
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 3: that Beck probably wouldn't have ended up at Utah if
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 3: it wasn't for Morgan's status as the head coach in waiting,
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 3: which is one way that that worked out well for
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 3: the youths. And now the expectation, obviously is that Beck
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 3: will be at Michigan. So it only worked out for
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 3: the one season, but it's just really fascinating. Jay Hill
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 3: is likely to go from BYU, and he's been instrumental
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 3: in BYU's success since joining them after being the head
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 3: coach at Weaver State, joining the Kougs as the defensive coordinator.
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 3: He's been really really good in that role and is
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 3: expected to take the same role with Kyle Whittingham at Michigan.
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 3: Is BYU in a good enough place now you think
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 3: as a team that they'll have kind of their pick
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 3: of the litter when it comes to the coordinators.
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 8: Probably. I mean, look, a lot of it comes down
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 8: to money, and you know what you can offer the
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 8: coach and the upper mobility. But I have to think
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 8: that that BYU is a spot where you certainly would
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 8: get a coach that you wanted right within a certain halber.
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 8: The money, the players are there, the vibes are there. Yeah,
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 8: I think that anyone they want does coach stuff that
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 8: this doesn't have to be Mormon too or just a
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 8: head coach.
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 4: I actually we just I just learned this today.
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 3: We had our BYU inside Ron and he said, yeah,
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 3: the coordinators you kind of have to be. I don't
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 3: know that it's official policy like it is with the
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 3: head coaches, but his opinion, and he works for b
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 3: YU TV, BYU Sports Nation, he knows all there is
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 3: to know. He was like, yeah, you have a hard
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 3: time elevated because I asked him about Gary Anderson, who
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 3: was a coordinator at Utah and he's got head coaching experience,
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 3: et cetera. And if he doesn't follow Kyle to Michigan,
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 3: would he be a candidate. He and Klonie have worked
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 3: together a lot in the past, and he's on the
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 3: staff right now as an analyst. And his answer was,
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 3: I don't think you can elevate Gary Anderson because he's
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 3: not He's not a you know, a card carrying member.
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 4: So to speak.
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 8: I appreciated coach to talk down in that pop tart look.
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 8: I like that that they took like full, like full
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 8: you know, ownership of that Bowl game. I my team
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 8: is playing a big, big twelve team on two days,
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 8: and buddy, the Big twelve fans, wow, it is aggressive.
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 8: On social media, it's aggressive.
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 4: How do you think that game is gonna go? Oregon
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 4: Texas Tech in the Orange Bowl that's coming up.
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 3: On New Year's Day at noon? It is of course
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 3: the Big twelves hope that Texas Tech could advance from
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 3: a game like that. They are the only team in
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 3: the playoff. I think that's the top five offense at
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 3: a top five scoring defense, in the country.
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 4: Are they good enough to beat Oregon in advance.
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 8: Blowout Texas Tech's gonna win. No, that's what their fans
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 8: would like you to believe. I mean, look, so I
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 8: am holistically. I think we have to view the cultural
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 8: regular season and the stats to come along with it
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 8: a little bit differently for certain programs. You know, I've
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 8: we've done shows together forever, and you know, I like
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 8: using like the you know, the the sp plus numbers,
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 8: right and the bill calling numbers. And the issue I
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 8: have this year is there are there are teams that
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 8: spent the regular season solely preparing to play on January first, right,
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 8: So Oregon was one of those teams Ohio State, Indiana,
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 8: Notre Dame to some extent, I mean they didn't get
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 8: in obviously, Ohio State, Georgia. So like what they did
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 8: in the regular season was to get ready to play
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 8: in this game. And Oregon talked about that, like they
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 8: they changed their entire program, philosophy and preparation schedule because
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 8: of what happened in the Ohio State game last year,
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 8: where they felt like they they peaked in the regular
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 8: season and weren't ready to play their best football on
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 8: January first, So how much do the overall numbers matter
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 8: in a game like this when you've been preparing all
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 8: year to play this game? If that makes sense right now,
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 8: You don't dismiss everything and say, oh it doesn't matter
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 8: of matter, but like the idea that like Oregon has
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 8: prepared for this game for a year essentially, like they
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 8: have wanted to play this game for a year now,
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 8: and they're healthy finally a wide receiver. And you know
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 8: there were times this year when like they played in
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 8: bad weather when you know they just sort of just
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 8: like decide to sort of work on one thing in
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 8: a given game and not do something else, and just
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 8: like they tried to use different moments for different things.
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 8: And I think that matters because Texak has not been
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 8: here before, and we saw last season the teams that
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 8: kind of had not been there before really struggled in
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 8: this round and Oregon was one of them. And there
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 8: is I think a little bit of a mentality and
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 8: I don't again, I'm not really saying this is how
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 8: every team deals with it, but there's a little bit.
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 8: I think this human nature to be happy you're there
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 8: right when you're there the first time, You're just happy
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 8: to be there now. It doesn't mean you practically less
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 8: preparing and less, but there is a there's a just
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 8: a human nature to be like, man, how cool is this?
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 8: Like we're here versus Oregon is like, no, this is
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 8: business like, this is like we did this last year,
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 8: we sucked at it, like we're gonna be better at
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 8: this year. I think that really matters for this game,
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 8: because Oregon has prepped for this moment. No, they might lose,
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 8: that's certainly possible, but I think they're better in a
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 8: lot of positions. They are, I think just sort of
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 8: holistically better on both sides of the ball. The defensive
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 8: ends for Texas Tech are incredible. The d tackles are fine,
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 8: the linebackers are amazing. But other than that, on defense,
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 8: the secondary is not great. You can attack that secondary
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 8: if you can hold up and you can block what
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 8: you have to do. David Bailey and height are incredible.
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 8: And then you know Texas Tech offensively, they're not grating
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 8: in the red zone. You know, they're very hit or
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 8: miss like. They have a ton of exposive plays and
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 8: a ton of like zero yard plays. Right they're sort
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 8: of in the middle and that doesn't feel great and
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 8: The one thing ORGAN struggles with on defense is a
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 8: mobile quarterback, which by the way, everyone does not just
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 8: an Organ problem. Every so was with with mobile quarterbacks.
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 8: But but their quarterback has a broken leg. You can't move,
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 8: and so I think that favors knowing where the quarterback
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 8: is in the pocket is such a huge benefit to
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 8: any defense that can rush to pass or so long
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 8: story short, I think we're we're positioned well to play
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 8: well in this game. Uh can't can't force you know,
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 8: can't let them turn you over. Right, you know that
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 8: that they number of the country, that which leads to
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 8: their offense having the number one field position, even like
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 8: even they're in their like in their good games, I
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 8: think about your game, right, it was super close for
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 8: a while. They sort of broke that out late the
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 8: b YU games, Like we're kind of closed for a
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 8: while until the very end when like again, the defense
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 8: overwhelmed the opponent. Organ is not gonna overwhelmed by by
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 8: Texas like they've played and they haven't played this defense exactly,
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 8: but they've played Iowa, they played you know, in Indiana,
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 8: like they've played off the defense that are close to
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 8: the caliber of Texas Tech Texa has not played a
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 8: top thirty five passing offense this season, so I think
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 8: we're better prepared for this moment. I think we'll win. Second,
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 8: just throw numbers at me, like, I just don't. I
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 8: don't care. I don't care. Like when you get to
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 8: this point of the year, it's not really about numbers, man,
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 8: It's it's just not It's about talent, coaching, situation, all
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 8: the times that things matter a lot more to me
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 8: than like the raw numbers, almost the EPA and this
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 8: and now. I don't really care at this at this
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 8: time of the year.
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 4: So you expect Oregon to advance.
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 8: I do expect this two events. Yes, what do you
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 8: think you watch the second May more than I did
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 8: this season?
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 3: I mean I think that you make good points about
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 3: the having been there before, because it's hard not to
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 3: have the big eyes and be like, yep, this is it,
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 3: this is what we worked for, We've accomplished this. Oregon
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 3: certainly doesn't feel that way because of what happened to
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 3: him last year.
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 4: So I think that's the task.
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 3: In front of Joey McGuire and his coaching staff to
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 3: be like, hey, this ain't it. You haven't actually accomplished
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 3: anything yet, which of course isn't true because they have.
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 3: But we'll see. I'm looking forward to that matchup, I
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 3: think as much as I am any other of these
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 3: playoff games that we've had in the early goings.
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 4: So we'll talk about it next week when you join
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 4: me next Tuesday, and if if Oregon loses, then we'll
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 4: uh pretend that's what we'll pretend that's what I picked.
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 8: I'll probably just like I'll probably just like just just
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 8: just not be here one one last thing. I have
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 8: no meaning to go to, so you can we can
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 8: wait one more minute here. The thing that frustrated me
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 8: most about this whole lead up is tex Tex fans
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 8: are like, we played Utah's offense, it's a saint, We're
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 8: ready for Oregon. I'm like, it's please stop, it's not
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 8: the same thing. You gotta stop, Like, see, why did
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 8: you do that?
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 3: You just you just unnecessarily just took a shot at Utah,
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 3: pretending like Utah is not as good as Oregon.
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 8: It's not the same offense. You can run the ball, sure.
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 4: Our offensive line was much better than Oregons.
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 8: It was, but the quarterback plays not the same thing.
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 8: And that kind of matters.
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 3: Tell me that when when Devin Dampier is starting at
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 3: Michigan next year, Buddy.
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 8: I mean, you don't think what's gonna get that job?
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 4: You think I do?
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 3: Actually, Kyle Widdingham seems pretty impressed by him. But yeah,
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 3: I think one of the big questions for Friday, and
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 3: I'll be doing the show on Friday, is where's Devin
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 3: dan Pierre gonna be because he's been very careful not
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 3: to say that he's coming back to Utah, but very
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 3: careful not to say that he has other plans either.
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 8: I like Utah to cover that game. By the way,
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 8: I mean I did a lot with Kywoddingham as a coach.
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 8: I don't. I mean, I think I still like them now.
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 8: I think Nebraska's just sort of like, sort of dead.
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 4: That's kind of what we're hoping for. I want to
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 4: I want to see Morgan win his first game as
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 4: the head coach.
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 8: All right, buddy, I'll see you in Charlotte in a year,
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 8: looking forward to it.
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 4: In seven months. Actually it's supposed to be in July.
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 8: Well, me, in July is a big month for me.
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 8: When when when? When? When July?
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 4: I'm not supposed to release dates until the company releases him.
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 8: So I just text me all right, all right, bye buddy,
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 8: all right man.
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 3: So that's Jeff Schwartz, longtime NFL veteran, former Oregon Duck
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 3: who he likes his Ducks to.
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 4: Beat Texas Tech in the Orange Bowl.
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 3: Those New Year's Day games will be available down here
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 3: on all the beautiful big screens at Big Willies seventeen
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 3: seventeen South Main and Patrick, the owner, proprietor muscle behind
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 3: the operation here is sitting with us again.
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 4: You're gonna do another ticket raffle for your hockey tickets.
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I think so. It was a great success last month.
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 10: We had a lot of fun entertaining the new people
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 10: that came down. We showed them the place, and then
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 10: eventually the couple that won, we had a great time
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 10: at the game with them. So we thought we'd do
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  Speaker 10: it again for February.
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  Speaker 3: So all month of January you can come down to
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  Speaker 3: Big Willies, fill out a raffle ticket, Tell him you
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  Speaker 3: heard about it on the Sean O'Connell show, Tell him
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  Speaker 3: most he sent you, and you want to enter the
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  Speaker 3: hockey ticket raffle, and the game's gonna be Red Wings
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  Speaker 3: versus man on February.
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  Speaker 3: So get a babysitter or if you don't need one,
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  Speaker 3: you don't have to get one, and you actually get
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  Speaker 3: to hang out with Patrick and his lovely wife at
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 3: the game. It's on their personal tickets. And last time
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  Speaker 3: was a success, so let's make this time of success.
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  Speaker 10: Also, yeah, we'll probably do the drying in studio on
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  Speaker 10: January thirtieth, So that's that's the whole month January. There's
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  Speaker 3: Seventeen seventeen South Main Street in Salt Lake City, the
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  Speaker 4: And I just mentioned it.
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  Speaker 3: Those New Year's Day games, the playoff games. You're gonna
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  Speaker 3: have those running all day.
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  Speaker 10: And you know we're just not giving away bottom shelf
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  Speaker 3: for a Friday game February fourth. All right, we got
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  Speaker 3: to take a quick one here, Gordy chias that joins us.
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  Speaker 14: Next it's the Shot o'c connell Show on ESPN seven
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  Speaker 14: hundred ninety twoefm.
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  Speaker 4: Out.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get the latest on the Utah Jads with former
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 1: Jazz assistant coach Gordy Chiesa. He's forgotten more about the
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 1: NBA than any of us will ever know.
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  Speaker 5: Let's not say crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Come for the hoops top stay for his list of
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  Speaker 1: the day, My list today, here's oh see what's basketball sabot.
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  Speaker 1: Gordy Chiasa on the Sean O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 3: Man Sean O'Connell Show at Big Willie, seventeen seventeen, South Maine.
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  Speaker 3: Gordon Chiasa in our Broadway studios to talk a little NBA.
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  Speaker 4: Gordy, welcome back. How are you sure I'm doing fine.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you Lebron James's birthday. Are you sending him a gift?
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  Speaker 11: Yes, very much, And that's amazing. He turns forty one
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  Speaker 11: years young, shown emphasized young, and we've never seen a
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  Speaker 11: guy play at that level like he has. The only
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 11: guy comparable would be Tom Brady, who at age forty
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 11: five was still throwing darts down the floor until after
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 11: twenty three seasons. So it's ironically this Lebron's twenty third
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 11: year and this is that was Tom Brady's also twenty
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 11: third year. It was last It's this quick metrics Sean
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  Speaker 11: Lebron this year is averaging at age forty one, twenty
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  Speaker 11: three point nine points per game, seven point four assist,
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 11: seven point one rebounds, two may threes a game, and
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 11: shooting from the floor fifty two percent. So it's he's
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 11: been sensational.
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  Speaker 3: He's spent more than half of his life in the
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 3: NBA and helped kind of shape what the NBA is
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 3: has become aside from his time on the floor, because
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 3: he's one of the greatest players in the history of
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 3: the game. What do you think Lebron's biggest impact is
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 3: kind of accessory to or adjacent to the court.
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  Speaker 11: His outreach to as far as all different things he's
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 11: done off the court. A lot of it's not publicized,
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 11: but he gives a lot of charity work to help
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 11: people and it's really been a special moment for him,
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 11: including you know, back in his hometown of Akron, Ohio,
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 11: where he gave millions of dollars to the kids there.
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  Speaker 11: As far as the computers and textbooks, et cetera. Sure,
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  Speaker 11: and just generally speaking, is that he's a very childble person,
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  Speaker 11: so that's his biggest thing. Also is that from a
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  Speaker 11: players standpoint, is that he's very engaging with the young players.
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  Speaker 11: He respects the game and that's a huge factor as
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 11: far as the younger people. When you look up to Lebron,
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  Speaker 11: We've never seen a guy play that long at that
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  Speaker 11: high level.
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  Speaker 8: Good for him.
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  Speaker 3: We talked to a lot about Jokic in our last
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 3: conversation and then he immediately goes down and it looked
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 3: as he was on the floor. You know, you always
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 3: fear the worst, but the latest report is that he'll
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 3: only have to miss about four weeks.
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 4: What kind of bullet did the Nuggets dodge?
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 8: There?
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  Speaker 4: Huge?
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  Speaker 11: Absolutely so shows alluding to jogic last night and a
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 11: mammy and a loss where he's he got tangled up
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 11: with a teammate playing health defense. It was an accident
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 11: and his knee buckled. So now it's a left knee
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 11: sprain usually speaking four to five weeks versus a torn
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 11: acl which means Sewan tended ten two months through a year.
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 11: And so hopefully they'll get them back, and they're gonna
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 11: use absolutely good caution. They're gonna back probably, let's say
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 11: Sean after the All Star break, if not early in
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 11: March then and then that they have a chance to regroup.
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 11: Then they're playing great the Nuggets. Let's not forget also
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 11: they're playing without Aaron Gordon, Christian Brown, and Cam Johnson,
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 11: and so now Jamal Murray is the only starter that
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 11: is gonna try to hold down the fortress. And now
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 11: Jonnis devlichunis now is gonna be a big factor. He's
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 11: the backup center. He has to come through for them,
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 11: and that's what they try to acquire him less summer.
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  Speaker 4: For we've talked.
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  Speaker 3: About a couple of proposed anti tanking measures and one
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 3: of my favorite guys who covers the jazz in the NBA,
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 3: Andy Larson talked about changing national television revenue unevenly so
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 3: that top teams make more money than bad teams, which
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 3: of course would incentivize teams to not be bad.
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 4: You could make more money.
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  Speaker 11: You think this is a realistic solution, It's unlikely. And
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  Speaker 11: the reason why is that it's all for one, one
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  Speaker 11: for all. They are the thirty owners in the NBA.
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  Speaker 11: They have different directions as far as their own franchises,
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 11: but the league, though, is all united. So it sounds
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  Speaker 11: good by Andy, but it'd be unlikely. You have to
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  Speaker 11: get two thirds of the majority to vote for that proposal,
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 11: and there's no way that will happen then, because again,
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 11: the way it is that there's always that invisible dialogue
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 11: where the NBA favors the big market teams and the
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 11: smaller guys never get any breaks, and that's always undercurrent,
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 11: and that would be just as much also that if
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  Speaker 11: you're a glamour team, you get more revenue than a
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 11: lesser team.
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  Speaker 3: You know, we talk about the professionalization of college sports,
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 3: and most of what we're saying is now college athletes
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 3: are getting paid. And these last couple of times you've
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 3: joined me, we've had to talk about a two way
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 3: player that's going back to college and now an NBA
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 3: draft pick that's going back to college. And it's become
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 3: enough of a conversation that the president of the NC
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 3: DOUBLEA is talking about, you know, figuring out measures that
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 3: need to be taken or avoiding the crossover.
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 4: Here, what does the NBA think of it?
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 3: Can they do anything to help out an NC DOUBLEA
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 3: that is toothless and hopeless and a huge mess and
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 3: making sure that you don't have these kind of convoluted situations.
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 11: Yes, the issue is very much they could. They could
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  Speaker 11: stop it very easily. The next bargain agreement where you
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 11: cannot do it once your professional athlete, you can't go back.
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 11: You can go back to college, but you can't play.
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  Speaker 11: And so the college coaches that we all know are
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 11: absolutely veemly against it, and the NBA could be an
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 11: alliance with the college NCAA and also the college coaches.
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 11: Is that the player, if once you play professional basketball,
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  Speaker 11: you cannot go to college and play. So everyone wants
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 11: the players to stay professional and not go back and forth.
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  Speaker 11: So it sounds weird. So Chris Paul at age forty,
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 11: the way it is now today, if he choose to
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 11: Chris Paul because he left there vers sophomore at Wake
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 11: far as he could technically go back to a university
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 11: and play two more years. Technically, the way the rules
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 11: are right now.
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  Speaker 4: Lebron's forty three.
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  Speaker 3: He never played a single second of college basketball.
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  Speaker 11: Let's go right, soform You're right, that's how absurd it
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 11: is right now. So everyone's against it, except and so
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 11: Scott Drew, the head coach of Ball University. He was
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 11: the first one to do it because his name is
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 11: James Nazi is the thirty first pick of the draft,
• 2:19:52
  Speaker 11: played overseas for four years, has never played on an
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 11: NBA game, but he played in summer league. And now
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 11: he's going to go to Baylor, and Baylor in the
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 11: Big twelve. So he's gonna play against the utes. They're
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 11: gonna play against the BYU. Everyone's against it.
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 3: Charlie Baker, the president, said the NCBE has not will
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 3: not grant eligibility to any perspective of returning student athletes
• 2:20:14
  Speaker 3: who have signed an NBA contract, including a two way contract.
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 3: So they're trying to figure it out. They're trying to
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 3: fix it. That was a tweet from an hour and
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 3: fifteen minutes ago.
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 11: So and you know Charlie Baker showing a reference point.
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 11: He's a former governor of Massachusetts.
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  Speaker 4: That's right.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, fingers crossed that they can get that figured out,
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 3: because that's one of those weird loopholes that I don't
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 3: really have a whole lot of interest in seeing pro
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 3: players bouncing back.
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 4: The overseas stuff. It's kind of always been like that,
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 4: where guys, you know, they're the system overseas is different.
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 4: Do we need to regulate that more tightly in your opinion.
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 8: No, not at all.
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  Speaker 11: So the overseas is that a players drafted and either
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 11: the chief thinks we like he's but he's not a
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  Speaker 11: roster spot, so that we're going to send him over
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 11: to uh to Europe and play, and that we retain
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 11: his rights if we keep offering a contract and then
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 11: when he's when he's improved, we once come back to
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 11: the States, then the NBA team can pay roughly up
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 11: to nine hundred thousand dollars for the buyout of the contract.
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 11: So guy's drafted late in the second round, our team
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 11: is loaded, meaning they'd say a playoff type team, but
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 11: you like him, he goes to Europe place for Madrid
• 2:21:33
  Speaker 11: in Spain, and now two years later he, uh, there's
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 11: an opening on your roster, or he improved dramatically under
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 11: contract with the Real Madrid in Maye in Spain. So
• 2:21:43
  Speaker 11: now they can buy out the contract and come to
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 11: the state side and play in the NBA. That's how
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 11: it works. And the sitts has been very good and
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 11: Feber and unit and the NBA basketball has really good alliance.
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 8: So it has.
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 11: Worked out and both parties enjoy the benefit of it.
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  Speaker 4: Gordy, what's the list today?
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  Speaker 11: List today showing tonight the jazz player of Jazz are
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 11: Rowland too straight in a good way to play the Celts.
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 11: So the Celtics are the number one franchise for for
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 11: most ever NBA titles with eighteen, which is crazy. They're
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 11: a proud franchise. So this list today and showing I
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 11: had to cut out like so many guys in the
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 11: Hall of Fame, so they have the most players in
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 11: the Hall of Fame, the Boston Celtics. I cut these
• 2:22:28
  Speaker 11: guys out like they're like a loose change. This list
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  Speaker 11: today is the dozen top all time greatest Boston Celtic players,
• 2:22:38
  Speaker 11: number twelve. He's playing tonight in the Delta center. Jellen
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 11: Brown future Hall of Famer, four time All Star, one
• 2:22:46
  Speaker 11: time NBA champion in twenty twenty four, was the MVP
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 11: of the Finals. Number eleven, greatest Celtics. He's in the
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 11: Hall of Fame in the Class of twenty twenty. Kevin Garnett,
• 2:22:57
  Speaker 11: the Big Ticket, played for the Celtics for six years,
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 11: one title back in two thousand and eight, Number ten,
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 11: Number ten all time Celtics nickname was the Chief Robert
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 11: Parrish Hall of Famer, inducted two thousand and three. We
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 11: know about his game, but that high arching jump shot,
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 11: tremendous rebound of three titles, number nine, the world's greatest
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 11: ever bankshoot of all time is not even close. For
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 11: the younger listeners. Before I say his name, this guy
• 2:23:23
  Speaker 11: was a combination of a Dwayne Wade and Ray Allen.
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 11: That's what he played like. His name is Sam Jones
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  Speaker 11: Hall of Famer nineteen eighty four, ten titles in twelve years,
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  Speaker 11: Number eight all time. Dave Cowens Hall of Famer nineteen
• 2:23:38
  Speaker 11: ninety one, two titles six to nine, rugged unbelievable center.
• 2:23:42
  Speaker 11: He was the heart of the Celtics in the nineteen seventies.
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  Speaker 11: Number seven all time. He's hurt right now. He hasn't
• 2:23:48
  Speaker 11: played a minute for the Celtics this year. Six time
• 2:23:51
  Speaker 11: All Star, four time First Team All NBA. He's only
• 2:23:55
  Speaker 11: twenty seven years young. Future Hall of Famer. We all
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 11: love this guy's game. Win an Achilles injury. Jason Tatum
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  Speaker 11: Number six all time, nickname Sean was Houdini of the hardwood.
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 11: Bob Coosey Hall of Famer nineteen seventy one. He was
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 11: the first ever great point guard. NBA titles six. Number
• 2:24:15
  Speaker 11: five nickname was the Truth. Paul Pierce Hall of Famer,
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 11: inducted twenty twenty one, fifteen years in the Celtics, Green
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 11: one NBA title, clutch scorer. Number four, one of the
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 11: best players of all time as far as interior footwork.
• 2:24:30
  Speaker 11: Kevin McHale Hall of Famer nineteen ninety nine, three titles.
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 11: Number three nickname was Hondo. One of the all time
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 11: greatest players of all of any era. Two way player
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 11: John Halchek Hall of Famer in nineteen eighty four, six
• 2:24:48
  Speaker 11: NBA titles in sixteen years. Number two Larry Legend Larry Bird,
• 2:24:55
  Speaker 11: one of the all time greatest shooters, clutch players, rebounders, passes.
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 11: I just keep going on. Hall of Fame inducted nineteen
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 11: ninety eight, three titles, and the number one Celtic player
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 11: of all time is Bill Russell. Hall of Fame inducted
• 2:25:10
  Speaker 11: nineteen seventy five, eleven NBA titles in thirteen years as
• 2:25:16
  Speaker 11: a player coach. Also, he's the greatest ever Game seven performer.
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 11: He played in ten game sevens. His record is ten
• 2:25:24
  Speaker 11: to zero. He was MVP five times in the NBA
• 2:25:30
  Speaker 11: and the MVP of the playoffs is named after him.
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 5: Sean.
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  Speaker 11: Thus, this is my list of the greatest ever Celtics.
• 2:25:40
  Speaker 11: I left out so many people in the Hall of Fame.
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 11: I feel bad. That's such a long list. Great franchises
• 2:25:46
  Speaker 11: makes it a lot tougher.
• 2:25:48
  Speaker 3: Before I let you go, we were having a conversation
• 2:25:50
  Speaker 3: about eligible NFL Hall of Famers and Frank Gore.
• 2:25:53
  Speaker 4: I'm sure you're familiar with you, Yes, I am. I
• 2:25:55
  Speaker 4: love you.
• 2:25:56
  Speaker 3: Frank Gore is on the list largely because of his
• 2:25:58
  Speaker 3: longevity at a position where it's really really difficult to
• 2:26:01
  Speaker 3: have longevity. And I'm of the opinion that if you're
• 2:26:04
  Speaker 3: a guy who's been able to hang around when no
• 2:26:06
  Speaker 3: one else has been able to hang around. That's worthy
• 2:26:09
  Speaker 3: of at least Hall of Fame discussion. It's tougher in
• 2:26:12
  Speaker 3: the NBA because I mean, you'd have to play like
• 2:26:14
  Speaker 3: thirty years in the NBA to really be an outlier
• 2:26:16
  Speaker 3: from a longevity standpoint. But is that enough for you
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 3: to be in the Hall of Fame? Maybe you were
• 2:26:22
  Speaker 3: never the best at your position, Maybe you were never
• 2:26:25
  Speaker 3: you know, like he's never been in an All Pro
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 3: in the NFL, Frank Gore has it.
• 2:26:29
  Speaker 4: He's been a pro bowler, but not at all pro.
• 2:26:32
  Speaker 3: Does he still deserve to be in because he played
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 3: seventeen years at one of the toughest positions to.
• 2:26:37
  Speaker 11: Last, Yes, absolutely, especially with Frank Gore, because he could
• 2:26:41
  Speaker 11: run the ball between the tackles, and also he was
• 2:26:44
  Speaker 11: great as far as in the clutch, as far as
• 2:26:46
  Speaker 11: him in the short pass game. And so the answer
• 2:26:49
  Speaker 11: is yes, So you've Longevity is a factor in sports.
• 2:26:53
  Speaker 11: If you have a solid career and you played for
• 2:26:57
  Speaker 11: a long time, and you either on a championshi team
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 11: or near championships as far as playoff type teams, Olojias,
• 2:27:04
  Speaker 11: You're You're definitely worthy.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, I agree, Gordy, You're the man always appreciate your time.
• 2:27:09
  Speaker 4: Thank you, hey, Seawan peaceout.
• 2:27:11
  Speaker 3: That's Gordy Chiaza brought to you by Aladdin Industry's your
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  Speaker 3: Utah V Luxtealer. All right, we'll close it out from
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  Speaker 3: Big Willies next on the Sean O'Connell Show, ESPN seven
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  Speaker 3: hundred and ninety two one FM.
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  Speaker 1: You tune to the Sean O'Connell Show for the Murdoch
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  Speaker 1: Chevrolet Studio of ESPN seven hundred at ninety two to
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  Speaker 1: one AFM.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, closing out the show on a Tuesday
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  Speaker 3: here at Big Willies. They've gotten drink specials going on
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  Speaker 3: all day. Food special is going on all day. More importantly,
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  Speaker 3: tomorrow a huge day Vegas Bowl Utah against Nebraska. Come
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  Speaker 3: down and watch it. Food specials and drink specials continue.
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  Speaker 3: Less than four dollars for premium liquor on the shots
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  Speaker 3: and obviously even if you're not imvibing, they got.
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  Speaker 4: All the soda, the water, the incredible food.
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  Speaker 3: And heading into the New Year's Eve kind of celebration
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  Speaker 3: after the Bowl game is over, they will have prize giveaways.
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  Speaker 3: They're gonna have a balloon drop. The balloons actually have
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  Speaker 3: prizes in them. Pop that balloon prizes anywhere from a
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  Speaker 3: dollar to one hundred dollars to come out of that.
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  Speaker 3: They'll have the DJ excuse me, they'll have the jukebox rolling.
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  Speaker 3: They'll keep the volume at a conversational level. So it's
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  Speaker 3: not gonna be like this crazy club atmosphere where you're
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  Speaker 3: having a shout to get your words heard. They're gonna
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  Speaker 3: keep it low key and have some fun, but a
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  Speaker 3: perfect place to celebrate your New year. And then the
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  Speaker 3: New Year's Day games. They've got the full slate of
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  Speaker 3: those and more.
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  Speaker 4: Food and drink specials.
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  Speaker 3: Also, between now and the end of January, you can
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  Speaker 3: come down to Big Willies, tell them that you heard
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  Speaker 3: about the show, heard about the place on the Sean
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  Speaker 3: O'Connell show, and they're gonna allow you to enter that
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  Speaker 3: raffle for a pair of Utah Mammoth tickets. And these
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  Speaker 3: are really really nice tickets, club level tickets. They're Pat
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  Speaker 3: Michelle's actual tickets, and they're gonna go to the game
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  Speaker 3: with you. That's a February fourth visit from the Detroit
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  Speaker 3: Red Wings. So come down to seventeen seventeen South Maine.
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  Speaker 3: Tell him you heard about it on the Sean O'Connell
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  Speaker 3: Show and to your name in the raffle for the
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  Speaker 3: whole month of January.
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  Speaker 4: Big thanks to Big Willies for having us down here.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks to Tanner and everyone who DJ everyone who helped
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  Speaker 3: us set it up. And a reminder before we get
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  Speaker 3: out of here. Young Automotive Group Year in Sales Event
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  Speaker 3: is happening now through January third. Qualifying purchases receive one
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  Speaker 3: thousand dollars Amazon Gift Card five years of maintenance in
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  Speaker 3: ninety days with no payments when you finance with America
• 2:29:45
  Speaker 3: First Credit Union. The U pregame show is actually gonna
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  Speaker 3: be at Young Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram in Riverdale on
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  Speaker 3: fourteen eighty one West Riverdale Road. That's nine thirty to
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  Speaker 3: eleven thirty, So go test drive, say hello to porter
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  Speaker 3: and cash in on the savings for Young Automotive Groups
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  Speaker 3: Year End Sales Event. Thanks for listening to the show
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  Speaker 3: O'Connor show. The Driver Spence Checkings is next. We're back
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  Speaker 3: live on Friday. Everybody be safe, have a great New
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  Speaker 3: Year celebration, and we'll be talking Transfer Portal when it
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  Speaker 3: opens on Friday. ESPN seven hundred ninety two one FM