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The Ferrari Judging Dilemma: Passion, Prestige, and the Pitfalls of Volunteer Panels · BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show

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  William Ross here at the Ferrari Marketplace.
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  So you gotta have kind of one vice, right?
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  So it's Diet Mountain Dew for me.
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  So anyways, today's episode.
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  I had a different idea in mind for what I was gonna record for this week's
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  episode I was gonna get into about warranties and stuff like that and what
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  she looked doing, even though I don't really get in too much of the newer
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  stuff, but I was gonna kind of talk about that and also maintenance and stuff.
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  But there was a post that someone I know stating the fact is that they
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  were going to be a judge this weekend at the Hillsborough Concord, which.
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  Quin say, enough, I'm headed there today.
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  So this post was put on there and he was talking about, I was
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  being a judge of the Concord.
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  He was judging the Ferrari class.
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  There's a nice amount of Ferraris in this class.
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  'cause I'm actually going there myself to be a docent.
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  I don't think I'm judging, I don't like to be a judge.
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  'cause that's a lot of responsibility put on your shoulders and we'll
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  get into that as to exactly why.
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  So this verse made the post and it kind of like struck a nerve with
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  me and now it against this person.
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  Just in how the judging works in general at these CONCOR events.
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  Now, when you get into more prestigious ones, pebble Beach, Caino, stuff like
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  that, you know, they get very particular credential wise and background wise, or
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  who they're gonna bring out as a judge.
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  Now these guys do, they're volunteers straight up.
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  They don't get paid.
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  They get in an event for free.
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  That's about it.
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  Maybe some free food free beverages.
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  That's about it.
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  So it's not like the wheels are getting greased and saying, Hey,
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  vote for these cars or whatnot.
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  You know, that kind of gig.
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  Not to say that some money hasn't been tried to slip into a judge's hand at an
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  event, but, well, that's a whole different argument, but it's a volunteer position.
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  That's basically what it boils down to.
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  You gotta pay your own way.
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  So if either you're driving hour, two hours, or you're flying
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  across country, it's your dime.
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  So it just depends on how you want, how you get there.
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  But anyways, when you get some of these other events, I don't wanna say you're
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  scraping the bottom of the barrel.
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  That's not right because all these people that are participating, you know,
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  have knowledge and background, but to what extent is what I'm getting at, so.
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  This individual, they've only been in this industry maybe four or five
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  years, so their background knowledge, especially of Ferraris, is very
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  limited, and the only reason is working for one of the big auction houses.
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  That's how he jumped into this industry.
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  He started working for the auction house, whatever, but he hadn't been in the right
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  place, right time, and be involved in the transaction of a very particular car.
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  All of a sudden got him a load of notoriety.
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  Good for him, Hey, got his bank account fluffed up, everything
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  like that, which is fantastic.
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  Good for him.
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  Hey, kudos.
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  So again, this isn't about him.
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  This is not about his situ. Had nothing to do with him, kudos
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  to him, everything like that.
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  Hey, he's taking the fast track and having a great time and you
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  know, doing a lot of cool shit.
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  It just has to do with when you have a car at a Concord event,
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  depending on the level of event.
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  You know, a lot of these owners take that trophy placing what have you, you know,
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  and that's value to that car because then when you go to sell that car, you can
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  say, oh, my car wanted X, Y, Z or came first in class at X, Y, Z, or whatever.
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  It adds a lot of value to that car.
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  'cause you have a lot of people that when they buy these cars, 'cause you
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  know they wanna do stuff with it.
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  And there's a very, very small amount of people that they take these, they daily
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  dry 'em or dry 'em on a regular basis and.
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  Drive 'em, like they should use 'em for basic stuff and everything like
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  that, and have a lot of fun with them.
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  You know, we got a lot of guys, hey, it's a weekend car.
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  They only take 'em to car shows.
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  They take 'em to events, you know, take 'em to concourse.
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  Stuff like that.
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  You know, they pride theirselves on having a car that's award-winning or as
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  with Catalina Platinum Award winning.
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  'cause that adds a sh ton, a ton of value to the car, especially
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  for Cavallo and Ferrari.
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  Porsche has the same thing in getting those type of awards and it boils down to.
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  Because a lot of these things, it has to come down to like
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  a point, point and a half.
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  Caino, was it 96 or higher?
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  95 and higher.
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  It's a hundred point scale, you know, so you have a cheat sheet and so to speak
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  in regards to what you're looking for.
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  There's a lot of basic stuff, but there's a lot of stuff on
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  there If you really don't know.
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  You could really ding a car, you know, looking at hex head bolts compared to
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  regular, you know, whatcha youma call bolts Phillips and blah blah blah.
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  That kind of stuff.
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  Or the hose clamp is wrong or wrong.
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  Oil filter, stuff like that.
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  I mean, 'cause if you don't know your stuff, you could take a point off, half
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  a point off thinking, oh that's wrong.
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  But it could be, right?
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  I mean, that's the thing.
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  Do you know.
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  Now when they're judging at events, it's not like there's
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  one person go around to one car.
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  Usually you have a group.
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  I mean, that's how you should do it.
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  Now, I've seen events and been events where you have, they had one
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  judge going around or two judges.
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  That was it.
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  That again, that has to do with getting volunteers and people be able to come,
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  you know, it's, uh, all about that.
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  But normally you have four or five, six judges in a group.
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  They go around collectively from car to car.
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  They have a specific amount of cars.
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  They'll know ahead of time, these are the cars you're judging.
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  So hopefully these people did their homework and brushed up on the
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  cars they're gonna be looking at, you know, and how in depth they
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  get into that, that's up to them.
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  Now, normally you also have one judge in that panel.
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  That group, hey, they're the expert, they'll know their stuff.
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  So you can lean on them in regards to questions and everything like that.
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  And I highly recommend if you have time and you're interested in it,
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  follow a group of judges around.
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  At the next big event you're at.
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  You don't have to follow 'em the whole time, dude.
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  'cause it takes a few hours for 'em to go around 'cause they do multiple cars.
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  But watch 'em do a few cars and see if they do.
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  It's pretty much the same in regards to every car.
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  'cause they have to check, Hey, check this, check the horn, check brake
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  lights, blah, blah, blah, da da da.
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  It's interesting to see how they kind of tweak a little
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  bit from car to car, you know?
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  So it all kind of depends what they're getting at.
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  And especially if a judge goes, oh, I love this car.
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  This is one of my favorites.
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  You know, blah, blah, all that kind of stuff.
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  So.
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  I recommend it 'cause it's cool to just kind of stand in the background,
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  watch them work and see what they do.
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  So now we have this group of judges.
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  Now you normally you have, okay, the owner of the car or whoever the handler
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  is, they're talking, normally they'll talk to one of the judges predominantly
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  and kind of that's the judge asking all question, well, the other judges
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  either talking to other people or they're just kinda looking at stuff
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  on the car or everything like that.
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  You know, they might have two judges where the guy's talking to,
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  but it's pretty much one person.
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  And I usually, that's the, I wanna say the go-to person in that group.
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  Or like I said, you know, you could have the owner and the, the Restore
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  or whatever the store's talking to the judges while the owner's talking
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  to the other judges just shooting the shit, you know, that kind of stuff.
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  So it all depends, but you have to turn in your score sheets
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  and get rated on your car.
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  So at the end, they're tallying up the points, they're tallying
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  everything up and kind of showing you, okay, here's where you're at.
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  You can go back after the fact and ask for verification.
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  Say, Hey, you know, this doesn't seem right.
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  No, this is right.
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  But here's the problem is it's after the fact.
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  So it's not during the event itself where, okay, well they're gonna all
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  of a sudden reshuffle everything.
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  They won't, they'll rescore your card.
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  You might think, well, what's the point?
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  If there's a big difference between being a platinum and not a platinum
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  for like Ferrari and stuff like that.
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  I mean it's huge.
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  And like I said, when you're talking to point half point, that goes a long way.
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  'cause when you check out listings and stuff for nicer, higher end collector
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  Ferraris, not your newer stuff, but you know the older stuff and look at it
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  and you'll guarantee, if you say, oh, platinum award-winning, blah, blah, blah.
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  I mean, that's huge because it just shows that it was restored correctly.
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  It's almost as is is coming outta the factory.
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  It's using NOS parts, all that kinda stuff, you know?
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  I mean, that's cool.
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  It just adds a ton of value to the car if you have that.
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  That's why you have a lot of these guys that have the money that they started
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  sending over when Ferrari started doing their class East program, as they started
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  sending them over to Italy, to Ferrari itself, to restore the cars because they
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  wanna get the award, they wanna get the Platinum Award, they wanna win this event.
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  It's a huge ego thing for a lot of these people.
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  And on that note.
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  Judges can have a tendency to get an ego on them because they feel that,
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  hey, they're holding all the power.
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  You know, it's kinda like when, um, go through T-S-A-T-S-A,
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  rightfully so, I guess.
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  I mean, they could make your fricking life and trip miserable if they really wanted
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  to, if they're just having a bad day.
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  I. You know, you're at the store and you got some schlep, you got some clerk
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  that they feel like they got all the power in the world right now over you.
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  'cause you everything's in their hands, you know?
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  And it's like you gotta kowtow to them, everything like that.
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  So people have a tendency to get a bit of an ego on them.
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  But again, you know, not saying that they'd sabotage it, what have you,
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  but what I'm saying is they'll start nitpicking and start deducting.
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  Points for stuff that they're not completely certain about.
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  Like I said, you know, I'm not saying this happens all the time.
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  I'm not saying this is common.
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  I'm just making a point of what potentially is there
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  in regards to doing it.
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  Because you know, it's not like they're going back and
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  scrutinizing all this stuff.
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  Normally someone's bringing their car and they have a relatively strong idea
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  of where their car should score at.
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  I feel it's a huge disservice to the owners when you have judges coming in that
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  really have no business being a judge.
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  Now, if they stand on facts, oh, it's celebrity judges, this and that, oh,
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  this is a, you know, they have some knowledge and again and again they
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  should, they can study up beforehand and you go to like, you know, pebble
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  Beach, they have a lot of like extra.
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  You know, drivers and stuff like that.
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  Very well known people in the automotive world, being the group of judges
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  that, 'cause I mean, if you think about like Pebble and stuff, they
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  gotta have a hundred, 200 judges.
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  I'm not exactly sure.
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  They have a lot.
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  So, and again, you volunteer everything like that, but it's a lot of fun.
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  It's very enjoyable to do.
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  Again, it's something I don't choose to do.
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  I've been asked.
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  A lot.
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  And I just kinda, eh, you know, I, I kinda look at what the event is.
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  Well, what is my role within that group?
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  You know, what are you expecting from me?
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  One, I don't like to be the main person.
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  I just don't like to have that responsibility.
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  'cause again, you know, you got some owners that can get pretty prickly about
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  what kind of score they receive and demanding why and everything like that.
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  I mean, I've seen an instance here or there where, you know, the
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  owners got extremely pissed off.
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  In regards to what their score was and why the hell is it this,
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  that I just spent this much money getting this done, da da da.
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  Then they go back onto the restore, what the hell's going on?
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  Like, no, that's right.
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  Like it can create a very, very sticky situation all around.
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  But anyways, so kind of going back to what whole point of this was when you
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  watch a judge agency, I said this all just basically started with the fact is, you
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  know, it just kind of is a little bit of a, I don't wanna say sore point with me.
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  I don't wanna say that.
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  I wanna say it's, you know, just something that kind of irks me a
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  bit and I think it's a disservice to a lot of the owners now.
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  Like I, I don't know how you can fix it.
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  I mean, there's really new, 'cause again, these guys volunteer, so it's
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  like the event itself is kind of hamstrung in regards to, well, we
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  gotta get who we can get because, you know, we're not paying these people.
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  Then you might say, well, why don't they get judging just paying it?
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  Well, the money's not there for it.
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  All these events, a majority of them are about raising money for certain
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  nonprofits, charities, stuff like that.
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  They run his nonprofits.
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  So people aren't really making money off these things.
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  You know, bill Warner's always made the comment, people ask him all the time,
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  well, I'm thinking about starting this conroy and this and that, and he tells
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  'em, don't, don't, don't, don't do it.
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  Don't do it.
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  Don't, don't get, don't be getting in for make money on it.
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  You're not making money on it.
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  It's a lot of effort.
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  It's a lot of work and it costs a lot of money.
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  Stuff starts adding up.
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  So I mean, those ves run on volunteers.
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  You really can't go that route saying, well, you know, pay the judges then, you
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  know, because it just wouldn't happen because then all of a sudden you could get
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  into, well, they're getting paid so all of a sudden they're gonna have favoritism.
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  That kind of stuff.
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  I don't know, like, I don't wanna say it's a lose lose, but, and again, I
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  gotta reiterate, I'm not saying this happens at every event and all, everybody
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  just say, it just struck a nerve.
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  When I saw that post, it made me just kinda like, ugh.
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  It just brought something up to the surface that it, it bothers
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  me for the owners of these cars.
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  It's one thing when you have the guy that's got hundreds of millions
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  of dollars in his bank account.
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  Spending three, four, $5 million on a car, even, you know,
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  a million dollars on a car.
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  Then spend another couple hundred thousand dollars, if not a million
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  dollars on the restoration.
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  All this kind of stuff.
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  And they get angry, but they're like, oh, okay, well next year
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  we gotta fix this stuff and that.
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  Then we'll get those last couple points, yada yada.
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  It's the gentleman that.
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  He's saved up.
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  That's his only car, you know, that's his baby.
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  He's had it for 30 years or 20 years, whatever it is.
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  Or he got it.
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  He restored it himself and everything like that.
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  Super passionate.
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  I love these people.
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  I'm actually ado these people 'cause they're true backbone
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  of the collector industry.
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  Not saying these huge collectors don't care about their cars, but I'm saying
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  the people that have one, maybe two cars, they're the passionate ones that,
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  you know, I just wanna be sure they're not getting a disservice done to them in
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  regards to their car and at these events.
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  Again, it's just something I wanted to get off my chest.
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  I guess basically you could say that's what this whole episode was.
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  It's just about me venting about the situations and like I said, I,
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  there's really no way to fix it.
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  There's no way to correct it.
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  And again, it's not like it's, you know, all over the place.
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  It's, it isn't not saying any of this stuff.
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  Could potentially happen.
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  You know, just someone being rude and ego and I'm deducting
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  points, I don't like this asshole.
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  You know, that kind of stuff.
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  Well, and you'd hope it wouldn't be, these people put a lot of time, effort,
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  and money into these cars, you know, and they take pride in that when they go to
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  these events or to getting judged and they bring it to these events 'cause they
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  gotta pay to put their car in this event, depending on what event it is, you know.
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  Get pretty expensive to have your car in the show to get judged
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  and something happens that goes wrong, then they get pissed off.
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  They'll never bring their car back to that show again or what have you.
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  And as we know, I mean, we all love the weekends where there's events all over
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  the place, big, small, what have you, various types of cars, from exotics
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  to muscle cars, everything like that.
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  You know, these shows are fantastic.
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  You don't wanna see people get a bad taste in their mouth 'cause you wanna
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  see these cars out in the public, out in the wild, especially getting driven
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  and you know, everything like that.
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  So, which is always great.
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  What's cool is that get these more prestigious ones you like Pebbles,
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  you know, they have that drive they do where you get extra points if you
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  participate in that drive day before, two days before the Concor stuff.
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  Like that's cool to see when you see these cars actually in motion
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  getting driven, everything like that.
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  That's what I love about the Sione Museum in Philadelphia.
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  If you have never been there, I highly recommend you visit the Sione Museum.
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  'cause they do events, I dunno often.
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  I don't know if it's every weekend or what have you, but they take their
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  cars out into their parking lot.
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  They drive 'em around.
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  I mean, it's not a very big parking lot, but you hear 'em driving, you
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  hear 'em running, you know, they treat 'em as a cars as they should be.
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  So, which is awesome.
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  And kind of as a back note.
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  They just had a fantastic event there for a viewing party for the Lamont 24 hours.
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  It just happened last weekend.
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  Helped put on by the A CO America.
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  I highly recommend next year you're going check out the A CO
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  America website, join up, sign up.
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  You get a lot of perks and benefits, especially if you go over to lamont
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  itself or the Lamont Classic, but they do a lot of cool stuff
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  over the United States as well.
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  So check it out.
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  Definitely recommend going there next year.
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  I will be there myself, so please come there.
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  So anyways, I'm gonna wrap this up because.
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  I had to start packing for my trip to San Francisco.
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  My flight's not till five 40 in the afternoon, so I have all day
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  like, God, it's a direct flight.
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  I gotta get that situated, get that all taken care of.
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  But again, appreciate you guys listening.
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  Tell me what you think.
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  We've discussed that, hey, it's all depends on the listener.
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  Some people just like audio, some people like video and some boats, what have you.
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  So.
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  It all depends and I don't know if you're like looking at my ugly mug, but anyways.
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  And what do you think of the Ferrari TFM uh, swag.
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  We got some cool swag going on, especially for MPN.
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  We got some cool swag for Ferri Marketplace Garage 65.
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  We got a lot of cool swag going on.
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