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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 10-6-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: Happy Tuesday, everybody. Welcome to the Sean O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 2: Glad to be with you here on ESPN 700 at 92.1 FM.
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  Speaker 1: Fun show lined up for you today.
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  Speaker 2: Gordy Chiesa is going to swing by, talk a little
• 0:32
  Speaker 2: NBA basketball.
• 0:34
  Speaker 1: Jerem Jordan for some red and blue.
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  Speaker 2: Is it time to start questioning that BYU should be
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  Speaker 2: the top-ranked team? In the Big 12 Conference, Jeff Schwartz
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  Speaker 2: at 1 o'clock to talk all things college football and
• 0:48
  Speaker 2: the NFL and Twitter trolls.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get into some Twitter trolls.
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  Speaker 2: Jeff Schwartz, we did six years of radio together-ish, and
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  Speaker 2: back in those days, he was sometimes overly willing to
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  Speaker 2: engage with Twitter trolls. Now he's been calmed on that,
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  Speaker 2: and I think this past weekend awakened the sleeping giant.
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  Speaker 2: with engaging in the Twitter war of words. So, well,
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  Speaker 2: a little bit of fun with that Morgan Scali coaches
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  Speaker 2: show is tonight at 6 PM. Always great to hear
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  Speaker 2: from the head coach to hear from Stevenson Sylvester and
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  Speaker 2: bill Riley.
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  Speaker 1: And I.
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  Speaker 3: Don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know who the players are going to be
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  Speaker 1: tonight yet?
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  Speaker 2: James, have we gotten the notice on who the players,
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  Speaker 2: we don't know yet who the players are going to be.
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  Speaker 2: I'll I usually get a text sometime during the show
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  Speaker 2: that'll let you know who those players will be. So, man,
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  Speaker 2: it is a really interesting time of year in all sports.
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  Speaker 2: You've got hockey going on. You've got baseball playoffs, and
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  Speaker 2: we'll talk about some of that today.
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  Speaker 1: There's a.
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  Speaker 2: Minor conspiracy going on that maybe there was some pitch
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  Speaker 2: tipping happening, some Some reading and signaling being done from
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  Speaker 2: second base in a playoff game, which is always fascinating
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  Speaker 2: to get into the gamesmanship, the strategy, the written and
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  Speaker 2: unwritten rules of a sport, especially one like baseball that
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  Speaker 2: is so steeped in tradition, that is so old school
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  Speaker 2: and has so many of these written and unwritten rules.
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  Speaker 1: But the Padres....
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  Speaker 2: The Padres and the Brewers with a minor scandal potentially
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  Speaker 2: brewing as Mason Miller.
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  Speaker 1: Had some issues in game two. So we'll get to
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  Speaker 1: that on the show today.
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  Speaker 2: Also, reports coming out of Oregon that Dante Moore is
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  Speaker 2: back practicing. He's got helmet and shoulder pad, no contact
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  Speaker 2: jersey on. that the Oregon quarterback who, if you remember,
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  Speaker 2: starting the season was a lot of people's Heisman Trophy favorite.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of people think he is a projected top-five pick.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of people think that he is the best
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  Speaker 2: quarterback in college football. There's no real consensus this year
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  Speaker 2: on who that person is. You know, there's the conversation
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  Speaker 2: about Arch Manning, Julian Sayen at Ohio State, Dante Moore.
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  Speaker 2: The kid at Alabama whose name is escaping me right now, Keelan,
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  Speaker 2: what's his name? You got a bunch of people inserting
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  Speaker 2: their names. Keelan Russell, that's right. Thank you, James. You
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  Speaker 2: got a bunch of people inserting their names into the
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  Speaker 2: conversation of who the best quarterback in college football is.
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  Speaker 1: We're living in an NIL world right now.
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  Speaker 2: We're living in a world of college football right now
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  Speaker 2: where these are highly compensated athletes. And I don't know
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  Speaker 2: exactly how much money Dante Moore is making, but we
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  Speaker 2: know that Dante Moore is making as much or more
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  Speaker 2: than pretty much anyone in college football, that his salary
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  Speaker 2: is comparable to somebody like Arch Manning, somebody like Bryce Underwood,
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  Speaker 2: who's just, oh, I mean, good for that kid for
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  Speaker 2: capitalizing while he could, because his, his paychecks in the
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  Speaker 2: future are not going to be like they are right now.
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  Speaker 1: And we're a Utah football station. You don't play Oregon
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  Speaker 1: this year.
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  Speaker 2: I guess if you make it to the college football
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  Speaker 2: playoff and Oregon is there, maybe there could be an
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  Speaker 2: Oregon Utah matchup, or maybe there's a bowl game to
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  Speaker 2: be had against the ducks.
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  Speaker 1: That's always a fun contest.
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  Speaker 2: That's always a fun little rivalry going back to the
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  Speaker 2: PAC 12 days. The only reason I bring up the
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  Speaker 2: Dante Moore situation is these guys are that have an
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  Speaker 2: executive decision to make.
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  Speaker 1: Are already professionals now.
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  Speaker 2: And if you're Dante Moore, I I'm not sure whether
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  Speaker 2: or not the, like the cam rising situation at Utah
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  Speaker 2: informed the way that anyone else does their NIL deals.
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  Speaker 1: We still don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I still don't know 100% how much of what was
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  Speaker 2: promised to Cam Rising actually got delivered to Cam Rising
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  Speaker 2: on an NIL front because he missed so much time
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  Speaker 2: due to injury. I don't know what contingencies these contracts
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  Speaker 2: have in place. And if you're Dante Moore and you're
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  Speaker 2: a projected top five pick in the NFL... All respect
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  Speaker 2: to the college football world, and that is my favorite sport.
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  Speaker 1: That is my favorite thing to watch.
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  Speaker 2: That is, for me, as I've said many times on
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  Speaker 2: the air, college football is the thing from a sports
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  Speaker 2: and entertainment standpoint. But I also am aware of the
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  Speaker 2: fact that a lot of these guys, college basketball players
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  Speaker 2: even more so than college football players, they're maximizing what
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  Speaker 2: they can do in the professional ranks. They're maximizing what
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  Speaker 2: their contract is going to look like in the professional ranks.
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  Speaker 1: If you're a top 25 quarterback, it's probably a no
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  Speaker 1: brainer that, Hey, you know what?
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  Speaker 2: Get back there and keep going. And if you're a
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  Speaker 2: top five guy in the NFL draft and you could
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  Speaker 2: still be that, even if you don't end up back
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  Speaker 2: on a football field this year, Allah, Nick Bosa, Do
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  Speaker 2: you suit up again for the university of Oregon? Do
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  Speaker 2: you sit up again for your college football team? Now
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  Speaker 2: in Nick Bosa's day, it was kind of a no
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  Speaker 2: brainer not to, right? Because I'm sure he was getting
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  Speaker 2: some kind of illegal handshake money, but how dare you?
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  Speaker 2: He wasn't getting the five or $ 7.
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  Speaker 1: Million that Dante Moore is getting through Ohio.
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  Speaker 5: State university would never, would never participate in such shenanigans.
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  Speaker 1: Are you sure about that?
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  Speaker 4: James?
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  Speaker 1: How dare you? Are you sure?
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  Speaker 2: Um, at the end of the day, everyone has to
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  Speaker 2: make a decision on their financial future and the financial
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  Speaker 2: present for these guys is changing the arithmetic on this
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  Speaker 2: pretty significantly, but like take Dante more out of it, right?
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  Speaker 2: Like let's make this arch Manning. If arch Manning goes
• 7:22
  Speaker 2: down with a pretty bad concussion, a concussive hit that
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  Speaker 2: maybe in reality, wasn't as ugly as it looked on television.
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  Speaker 2: the fencing response always gets people really freaked out when
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  Speaker 2: people go stiff. I am probably jaded to that. I'm
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  Speaker 2: probably calloused because I've seen that in the gym a
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  Speaker 2: hundred times.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? And I'm sure it happens
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  Speaker 1: in the ring in competition. It happens even more.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Right. And I guys are typically just fine. It's happened
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  Speaker 1: to me and I think I'm fine.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Right now.
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  Speaker 2: We get a little bit squeamish about it when it's
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  Speaker 2: to a Tonga by low and it's happening once every
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  Speaker 2: nine weeks.
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  Speaker 1: And I think we should be squeamish about that.
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  Speaker 2: But somebody like Dante Moore, who has, as far as
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  Speaker 2: we can tell this, like incredibly high ceiling, both in
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  Speaker 2: college football and potentially in the NFL. And, you know,
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  Speaker 2: being a number three pick in the upcoming draft or
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  Speaker 2: a number one pick in the upcoming draft or number
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  Speaker 2: five pick in the upcoming draft guarantees you that like
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  Speaker 2: $ 24 million or something like that, your $ 5 million current
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  Speaker 2: college salary, even if they say, hey, we're not going
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  Speaker 2: to pay you that if you don't play again, now
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  Speaker 2: you're saying, well, all right, I still need to make
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  Speaker 2: the right decision for my future. And I don't enjoy
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  Speaker 2: having to have these conversations. I said it very carefully
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  Speaker 2: a couple times on the air last year, but Spencer
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  Speaker 2: Fano could have shut it down for the University of
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  Speaker 2: Utah had he wanted to, had he been interested in that,
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  Speaker 2: he could have shut things.
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  Speaker 1: Down about halfway through the season.
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  Speaker 5: About when, I mean, I know that the Utes were
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  Speaker 5: still in the college football playoff picture, still in the
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  Speaker 5: big 12 championship picture in mid November, but he could have,
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  Speaker 5: it was a slim chance for either one of those
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  Speaker 5: at that time.
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  Speaker 7: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Particularly the big 12 championship game.
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  Speaker 5: He could have made the business decision that like, Hey,
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  Speaker 5: we don't really have anything to play for. Like we,
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  Speaker 5: we technically we do, but we don't really, Maybe I'll
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  Speaker 5: just sit out because I'm going to be a top
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  Speaker 5: 10 pick.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't want guys to make this decision. I
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  Speaker 2: didn't like it when Nick Bosa did it. And I
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  Speaker 2: didn't like it when the San Francisco 49ers decided to
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  Speaker 2: pick him anyway. I want there to be a consequence
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  Speaker 2: for that. I'm getting used to it because this is
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  Speaker 2: what the college football world is now. And by the way,
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  Speaker 2: like I feel comfortable having this conversation because it's, somebody else.
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  Speaker 2: and it's not one of quote unquote, our guys, it's
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  Speaker 2: not a Utah guy. Cause I don't want to seem
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  Speaker 2: like I'm encouraging this or whatever, but if Spencer Fano
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  Speaker 2: had rolled an ankle last year in game seven and decided,
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  Speaker 2: you know what? I put enough on tape. And I'm
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  Speaker 2: just going to heal up. I'm going to avoid the risk.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm just going to go ahead and ride this
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  Speaker 2: thing off into the sunset. And I'll be a proud Ute,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm not going to finish this season. I think
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  Speaker 2: all of us would have had to begrudgingly at the
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  Speaker 2: very least support that and say, yeah, man, like do
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  Speaker 2: what's best for yourself and your future and your family
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  Speaker 2: and all those types of things.
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  Speaker 1: I'm very thankful that that's not how it played out.
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  Speaker 2: But we see guys do it in the bowl games
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  Speaker 2: and we don't bat an eye anymore. There was a
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  Speaker 2: time 10 years ago where, when guys were opting out
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  Speaker 2: of bowl games, when Christian McCaffrey was like, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: playing in a bowl game. I was like, not you
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  Speaker 2: too at two Brute Christian.
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  Speaker 1: How dare you don't be that guy. I mean, I expect,
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  Speaker 1: I expect this from some yay.
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  Speaker 2: Who I don't expect it from a Stanford should have
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  Speaker 2: been a Heisman trophy winner.
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  Speaker 5: Pac-12 greats, yeah. And it was not just the Independence Bowl.
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  Speaker 5: It was Rose Bowls. It was Sugar Bowls. It was
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  Speaker 5: New Year's Six Bowls that weren't college football playoff. I
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  Speaker 5: think we had the playoff at that time when guys
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  Speaker 5: were– this became more popular. It was like, oh, not
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  Speaker 5: in the playoff– I don't care if it's a Rose bowl.
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  Speaker 5: I'll I don't need to play this.
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  Speaker 2: Speaker 0 7, I remember very emphatically saying when guys
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  Speaker 2: started to opt out of the quote unquote, meaningless bowl
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  Speaker 2: games being like, well, they're not going to opt out
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  Speaker 2: of Rose bowls. They're not going to opt out of
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  Speaker 2: the college football playoff.
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  Speaker 1: And then Utah played in a Rose bowl where like
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  Speaker 1: four guys opted out for the Ohio state Buckeyes and
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  Speaker 1: did it diminish the game? Ultimately the game was still
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  Speaker 1: absolutely fantastic. because it was Ohio state and because Ohio
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  Speaker 1: state's depth.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Had Jackson Smith and Jigba and had Marvin Harrison jr.
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  Speaker 1: And had a Mecca at Buka. You had guys.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You had on that team. There were seven NFL wide receivers.
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  Speaker 2: Now Ohio State, you can kind of get away with it,
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  Speaker 2: but if you had been playing Iowa in that Rose Bowl,
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  Speaker 2: or even the next year when you played against Penn
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  Speaker 2: State in that Rose Bowl, opt-outs were a lot more meaningful,
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  Speaker 2: a lot more impactful for teams like that, right? So
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  Speaker 2: I remember being like, no, it's sacred. You don't even
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  Speaker 2: broach this. It shall not be mentioned that there's an
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  Speaker 2: option here. to opt out of the second half of
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  Speaker 2: your junior season or your senior season, whether you're injured
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  Speaker 2: or not. If you're Dante Moore, you're having the same
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  Speaker 2: conversation with your family that Nick Bosa had with his family.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And Nick posted, by the way, played even fewer games.
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  Speaker 2: He played two games that junior season.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. It was the, I think it was, I'm reading.
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  Speaker 1: I looked it up here.
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  Speaker 5: It was the third game of the season that he left.
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  Speaker 5: So it was two plus games, not even three full games.
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  Speaker 5: And interesting because I just wanted to look back to
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  Speaker 5: see what the full context was. He was on track
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  Speaker 5: to if he did decide to play later that season,
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  Speaker 5: he was on track to return in November. So it
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  Speaker 5: must have just been a calculation of like, I'm going
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  Speaker 5: to play one game.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to play.
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  Speaker 5: I'm going to come back to play three more games.
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  Speaker 5: I might as well just get ready for the NFL draft,
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  Speaker 5: which on the one hand, you can understand that. On
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  Speaker 5: the other hand, you're like, hold on. You guys could
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  Speaker 5: win Ohio State. always has the talent. And at that
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  Speaker 5: time they did too, to win a national championship, maybe.
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  Speaker 5: And you're the best defensive player. You don't want to be,
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  Speaker 5: you don't want to come back in November to help
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  Speaker 5: them finish the job.
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  Speaker 1: Apparently not.
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  Speaker 2: So whether or not he's going to play against UCLA
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  Speaker 2: is questioning. We're talking about Dante more here, don't say more.
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  Speaker 2: And that's now a meaningful game. UCLA is better than
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  Speaker 2: people thought they were going to be. They're a top
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  Speaker 2: 25 team. They're at least a fringe contender. in the
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  Speaker 2: college football playoff race that is gradually taking shape. Oregon,
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  Speaker 2: you could say, well, we need you, Dante Moore, because
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  Speaker 2: we've got UCLA on the schedule.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, we've got Nebraska, Illinois, Northwestern. Northwestern is sneaky. Good
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  Speaker 1: right now. They're not ranked yet, but they're sneaky.
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  Speaker 7: Good.
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  Speaker 2: They've got a road game to Ohio state. They've still
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  Speaker 2: got Michigan, although that might not be as scary as
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  Speaker 2: people thought. Uh, they've got a road trip to Michigan state.
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  Speaker 2: They've got Washington. Dan Lanning is looking at this situation
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  Speaker 2: and he's saying, do I want my $ 5 million quarterback
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  Speaker 2: playing here?
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Does my $ 5 million quarterback want to be playing
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  Speaker 1: in this situation?
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  Speaker 2: Or are we okay with the $ 1 million backup with
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  Speaker 2: the Dylan Ryola who played very, very well in relief
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  Speaker 2: of an injured Dante Moore.
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  Speaker 5: And is obviously immensely talented. I mean, he himself was
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  Speaker 5: a highly touted recruit.
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  Speaker 2: He was a aggressively pursued four-star five-star type talent who
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  Speaker 2: has a weird swim fan obsession with Patrick Mahomes. But
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  Speaker 2: beyond that, like he's the son and nephew of NFL players.
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  Speaker 2: He's a guy who knows a little bit about, you know,
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  Speaker 2: what it takes to excel at the very, very highest
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  Speaker 2: level of college football and NFL football. And we're, we're
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  Speaker 2: in a situation now where if this conversation were had
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  Speaker 2: pre NIL and we're talking about somebody who is an
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  Speaker 2: elite talent, a projected number one, number two, number three,
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  Speaker 2: number five, even a top 10 pick, we're probably begrudgingly
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  Speaker 2: in a sort of cynical manner saying, yeah, I mean
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  Speaker 2: the kid in his own best interest might be better
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  Speaker 2: served to sit out the rest of the season.
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  Speaker 1: This concussion, by the way, is not.
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  Speaker 2: Like a, severe light sensitivity, dizziness and vertigo for the
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  Speaker 2: next six weeks.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of concussion. He's already moving, running around playing. He's
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  Speaker 1: still non-contact.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure they're going to make it as careful and
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  Speaker 2: gradual a return as possible. I don't anticipate that Dante
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  Speaker 2: Moore will even be cleared to play against UCLA or
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  Speaker 2: that if he is cleared to play that Dan Lanning
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  Speaker 2: and his family and everyone would say, let's get you
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  Speaker 2: back on the field as soon as possible. Even though
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  Speaker 2: that is an important game, Oregon should be talented enough. Dante,
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  Speaker 2: his backup, Dylan Ryola, should be good enough to give
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  Speaker 2: you a fighting chance against somebody like UCLA. And if
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: you're Oregon, even though you lost to Oklahoma State, you
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  Speaker 2: still have some built-in wiggle room here for a college
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  Speaker 2: football playoff because, A, you're the Oregon Ducks. The brand
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  Speaker 2: recognition does matter, even though it shouldn't. And, B, you have...
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  Speaker 2: Probably two more, even though there's only one after UCLA
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  Speaker 2: that is ranked as of today. You probably have two
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  Speaker 2: more ranked games on the schedule that can elevate you
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  Speaker 2: back into the conversation, even if you did. retain a
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  Speaker 2: second loss against UCLA. It makes things a lot harder.
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  Speaker 2: You can't think about it that way. You can't assume
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  Speaker 2: margin for error, but you also in today's world of
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  Speaker 2: college football, especially if you're Dan Lanning, especially if you're
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  Speaker 2: a coach who is well-known as a recruiter and a developer,
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  Speaker 2: you have to make sure that you do right by
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  Speaker 2: a kid, because if you lose the recruiting pipeline, if
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  Speaker 2: you lose the reputation of, that you are taking care
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  Speaker 2: of these young men at a place like Oregon, you're
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  Speaker 2: not getting the five-star quarterback next time. If you rush
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: somebody back into service, so to speak, if you mishandle
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  Speaker 2: an injury situation, that is a battle. You then have
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  Speaker 2: to fight on the recruiting trail for the next several years.
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  Speaker 2: Ask Kyle Whittingham about that. Ask Andy Ludwig about that.
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  Speaker 2: Ask Jason Beck about that. Ask anyone who has, who
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  Speaker 2: had to deal with the backlash in the fallout of
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: a Jack Tuttle situation, a cam rising situation, right?
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: Peter Castelli, Peter Castelli situation. I mean, there's, we.
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  Speaker 5: Forget about that one. That one was wild at the time.
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  Speaker 5: He decided not to play the rest of the season
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  Speaker 5: when they were.
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  Speaker 1: Packed whole champions.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: There's there's something there where you have to look at
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: all angles of this. So eight, seven, seven, three, five, three,
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: zero 700.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: It's you. Or if you're old enough, it's your son.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: And that person, let's see what the 2027 NFL draft
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: pay scale is going to be. The rookie 2027 rookie scale.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: Is not yet filled out on SpotTrack. What are we
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: doing here, guys? But you're securing for yourself. What was
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: this year's? What did Fernando Mendoza end up getting? His
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: contract was $ 54.
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: 6 million.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Over what, four years? Is that what it is? Cause
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: you get a four year deal with a fifth year option.
• 19:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 19:35
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: The number one overall pick your, your 54.57 million over
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: four years. So that ends up being about 14 million.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: And a lot of that it's 13.6 million, but a
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: lot of that is structured as a signing bonus. That's
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: how the, guys basically guarantee their rookie deal is they get,
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: they get that, you know, half or more structured into
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: a signing bonus, which again, in the NFL, that's really
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: all you can count on is the money that you're
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: guaranteed at signing or that is fully guaranteed. And in
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: these rookie deals, the guaranteed at signing, that's where the
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: negotiation comes in. You know how, like it's, it's already
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: written what the pay scale is going to be. That's
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: something that happened post Sam Bradford, but yeah, that's a
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: CBA thing. It's a CBA thing. And now when you
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: get these sort of like random November. It won't be November,
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: but you get like these early August. Hey, so-and-so has
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: finally signed their number eight overall pick. It's because the
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: negotiation was happening on how much of that already determined
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: number was going to be guaranteed via signing bonus, right?
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: How much am I getting up front?
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: So what we're talking about with Dante Moore and everyone
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: else who's in that conversation, right? And Devin Dampier has
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: to make this decision for himself and sooner than later
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: because he's got an extra year of college eligibility, right?
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: When you're Dante Moore, you're looking at it and you're saying, okay,
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: do I feel I have done enough to guarantee my
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: spot in the top five? I maybe don't feel good
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: about that yet because of how crowded that quarterback conversation is.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Beyond that, okay, I've checked that box. I've decided, yes,
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: I still feel like I will be a top five
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: player even if I sit out now I make that
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: executive decision now. I know that I can prepare myself.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: I can get ready for the combine. I can kill
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: it at the combine. I can kill it at my
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: personal workouts.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: Now, do I feel like it is worth, if I
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: even have to, and again, I don't really know. If
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: I have to say, I will no longer collect on
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: my Oregon pay, which I get now, which is mine now,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: which I'm getting the checks today.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: I'm getting the checks today.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: On the 5th and 20th of every month or whatever,
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: am I willing to say, I will forego the rest
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: of this because I don't feel good about getting hurt again?
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Was I hurt enough in that game that I'm scared
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: to get hit again? You have to check all of
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: these different boxes. Is the risk worth the reward? Do
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: I think the reward is virtually guaranteed to me? Because
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: if that reward is going to come in the form
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: of a 27, 25, $ 23 million signing bonus in the
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: NFL draft next year, am I willing to risk that
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: either being totally absent or more realistically somewhat diminished by
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: getting hurt again this year, having concussion problems, whatever do.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: I need to ensure that.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: That I get that by saying, I will say goodbye
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: to my 5 million or $ 7 million deal from Oregon
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: right now.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: And am I willing to deal with the fallout from that?
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: And am I willing to answer that question in the
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: NFL combine and the scouting process? Am I willing to
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: sit down in front of Jim Harbaugh when he's just like, look,
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: we thought Justin Herbert was going to be good. It's
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: really our offensive line.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: That's the problem.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: But I'm going to use Herbert as my scapegoat here.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: I need a new quarterback. Are you really a football guy?
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: You shut it down for your team. They're going to
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: try to play gotcha. And if this is your son,
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: instead of it being you personally, how much does that
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: change the calculus and the decision-making process like this? He's
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: back at practice now, which I think indicates that Dante
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Moore is going to play again this year. And I
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: think ultimately that is going to be the right decision
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: for him. I don't think that the injury was severe enough,
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: that the concussion was severe enough. if he's already back
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: at practice that he's quote unquote, risking too much. But
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: if you took what is happening with Tua Tagovailoa now,
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: and you put that on him when he was a
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: college junior or senior, we would be having a very
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: different conversation here.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: A couple of, a couple of things would factor into
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: this decision.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: If I were Dante Moore, one is.
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: First concussion is, and we're assuming it's not that serious
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: because of what you just said, OC, probably come back
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: and play. You get a second concussion this season, maybe
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: you shut it down. That's how I might approach the
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: concussion thing. The other part of it is much more
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: simple for me. If I'm Dante Moore, do I want
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: to play college football?
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Yes or no?
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: If it's yes... I'm going to play. I don't care
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: about any of the rest of that stuff. I'll deal
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: with that later. If it's no, then, or not if
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: it's a simple no, it's probably not going to be
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: a simple no. If it's a, you know what, I
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: think it's better for my future. I'm not totally just,
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: it's not just an immediate yes, I love playing college
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: football enough that I want to risk this. That's probably
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: a no.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Shut it down.
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: I think that we in the media and I, and
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: probably agents and NFL decision makers, people in college, we
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: probably underestimate that. These are young men who love playing
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: their sport probably. And when they come back to play
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: and we're all like, what the heck, man, you're going
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: to be the number one pick. Why would you risk that?
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: It's because they, they, they love playing football. It's because
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: they love playing the sport they're playing. And I think
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: that's probably the simplest calculation is for Dante Mori. If
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: I'm healthy and I love doing this, I'm going to play.
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: This is a great text from Derek.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: The thing I truly do not like about is the
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: sit out situation is the most rookies come out and
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: they're not ready. Would you rather be top 10 than
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: flame out in three years or stay in college, become
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: ready and have a 10 or 15 year career readiness
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: should matter more than a paycheck. when you were already
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: getting paid. And that by the way, is something we
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: are seeing in college football, right? Guys are less apt
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: to leap to the draft at the first opportunity, because
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: especially if you're kind of like borderline ready and the
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: NFL knows that, and the NFL is telling you that,
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: and the NFL is delivering a message to you. Like, yeah,
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: maybe late, later round pick, maybe even a late first
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: round pick. if you're a late first round pick in
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: college football, or you're the starting quarterback at Miami, the
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Miami job pays more, not over, not in a, in
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: a guaranteed way over four years, but next year.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: It pays a year.
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: If you got one year of eligibility left, that's all
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: you're thinking about is what's going to pay me.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: What's going to pay me better next year. And, and
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: we don't, we don't know Dante Moore. We don't know
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: Dante Moore's parents. We don't know his family's financial situation,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: although I think they're probably doing okay now because he's
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: already made a lot of money in college.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: However, right?
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: When you have $ 10 million and someone says, well, next
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: year you're going to sign something that says you get 54.
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: Million over multiple years. So you get 10 million times four.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: Are you risking that and saying, well, I really love
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: being an Oregon duck though.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: I hope the answer is yes. I genuinely do.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: I hope the answer is, Man, we got some unfinished business.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: I didn't play well enough against Oregon, Oklahoma state. And
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: that's why we lost. And I want to go back
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: and I want to show everyone we're going to make
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: it to the college football playoff. Kate on the text
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: line says, look, I think he's already diminished his draft
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: stock a little bit.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Because he's not playing as well as people expected him to.
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: So, so come back and play better is the answer
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: to Kate on the text line. I get, I get
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: where he's coming from, but like sitting at, sitting out
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: the rest of the way is not going to help
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: your draft. If you're, if you're already, if it's already diminishing,
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: if it's already pointed downward in a serious manner, then.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: It's going to get worse. If you sit out, sitting
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: out could get worse. If people are like, it's level.
• 28:06
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: You're just like, okay, fine. You can sit out and
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: probably not risk it.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: And maybe this question about Dante Moore is not enough
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: for people. Like if we were having it about Arch Manning,
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: if you're having it about Darian Mensah, Darian Mensah is
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: killing it right now in college football.
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: Right now, if they voted for the Heisman, he's probably
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: the winner. That's how good he's been playing.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: And so maybe Dante Moore is the wrong person. Although
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: he's the one who's actually injured.
• 28:31
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: But Man, it's a weird thing to watch and see
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: as Oregon is going to have to handle this situation very,
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: very carefully, not only for now, not only for this
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: particular season, but also for the future of a Dan
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Lanning program that has all the money in the world
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: to spend and is one of those top, top flight
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: recruiting programs. If you don't handle this injury situation correctly
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: with a guy who is in that category that everyone's
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: looking at and saying like, well, what did they do
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: with the last five-star?
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Oh man, they did him dirty. I'm going to Miami instead.
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's not unlike what we've seen in professional sports.
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: I can think of a couple of examples in the NBA.
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: Kawhi Leonard's ending with the Spurs. He felt like the
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: team doctors didn't have his best interest or they were
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: misdiagnosing something and forcefully saying, this is what it is.
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: And his people were saying, no, it's not that. You're
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: completely misunderstanding this thing. And the thing that you're suggesting,
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: coming back and playing through this is going to make
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: it worse. That led to Kawhi Leonard being like, get
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: me out of San Antonio.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: And the trajectory until they, of that franchise until they
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: drafted Victor Wimben Yama went way down from that point.
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: So that, That's what you're talking about in the college level.
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: It's not much different. It's probably even more exacerbated because
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: you have to go out and sign free agents every
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: year at high school recruits or transfer portal.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: We got to take a break. We'll come back.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: We'll have a little basketball discussion with Gordy Chiesa, our
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: resident NBA guru.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: We've got.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: Gordy next. We've got red and blue coming. We've got
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: Jeff Schwartz later. A loaded Daily Dump today. We're just
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: getting started. It's the Sean O'Connell Show on ESPN 700
• 30:28
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• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Peace out.
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: Let's get the latest on the Utah Jazz with former
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: Jazz assistant coach Gordy Chiesa. He's forgotten more about the
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: NBA than any of us will ever know.
• 30:46
  Speaker 8: Let's not get crazy.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Come for the Hoops Talk.
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: Stay for his list of the day.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: My list today.
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: Here's OC with basketball savant Gordy Chiesa on the Sean
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: O'Connell Show.
• 30:58
  Speaker 7: Oh, hey, hey.
• 31:01
  Speaker 6: Nothing will matter with your head.
• 31:04
  Speaker 7: Baby, find it.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show. Welcome to our
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: resident NBA guru, Gordy Chiesa, the longtime coach at all
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: levels of basketball. And it's your day, Gordy. It's National
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Coaches Day.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: Sean, yes it is. Today, October 6th, is recognized as
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: National Coaches Day where, in all sports, where athletic and
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: life coaches are being honored. because of their mentoring, how
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: they motivate, how they instill lifetime positive values. So it's
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: really a big thing. And think about, Sean, anyone who's
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: been successful in any sport, there was a coach in
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: your life or coaches that helped you gain where you
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: were as far as positivity.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, coaches, I think, still feel a really important
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: role in kids' lives, young men's lives at the college level,
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: probably still at the professional level, although I never played
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: professional team sports Gordy. And I guess I want to
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: start there when you're, when you're talking about the professional ranks, right?
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Like coaches in little league, they do it for the
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: love of the kids, the love of the game in
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: high school. I think it's still mostly that in college,
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: there's some combination of that. And obviously it's an incredibly
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: lucrative business and the professional success and the reputation and,
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: and the, the winning matters more than anything else. When
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: you get to professional ranks and you're still dealing with,
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: at the NBA level, all these young people that are
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: in formative years, are becoming who they're going to be,
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: is there room for coaches to fill that mentorship, father-type
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: role still in professional sports?
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: Yes, very much. And a lot of it is to
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: instill those people confidence. So besides building up their skill set,
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: a lot of people... which is perfectly normal, even though
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: they're bravado, as far as outwardly inwardly, sometimes they lack confidence.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: And when you're around players, you can see their personalities,
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: what makes them go and what makes them hesitant. And
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: as coaches, we try to bring the best out of
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: each person at their potential. And that's why I always
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: talk about you see it and feel it for the players.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: Sometimes as a coach, you know, it's better to, for
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: the player that he knows himself of what he can do,
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: what he accomplished. Because a lot of times it's like
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: a hidden mechanism where if I try and I fail,
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: then it wasn't worth it versus the opposite where you
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: want to be the best you can be and the
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: coach will bring the best out of you and there's
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: no such thing as failure if you give it your best.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: And that's what coaches do at every single level, especially
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: in the pros. I like to think that every successful coach,
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: especially in college and in the pros, they listen, they challenge,
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: they develop, they connect, and they inspire. And those five
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: attributes is the winning formula between the coaches and the player.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: For this Utah Jazz franchise right now, the coach, we've
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: talked about him a lot over the years. Will Hardy
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: has been in a really awkward situation where he's trying
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: to achieve all the normal goals and the things that
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: you just talked about while also playing this game of
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: tanking and maximizing draft positioning and things like that. And
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: I think I've asked some form of this question several times,
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: but the reality is upon us where he will have
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: to flip the switch and he will have to be
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: the best version of himself. And he will have to
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: manage things like playing time and injuries in a real
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: way instead of a manufactured way. And the difficulty of
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: doing that, give me some sense of the challenge ahead
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: of Will Hardy there.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: Well, the accountability defensively. So the challenge will be is
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: that how can we remain an offensive force, which the
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: Jets really are. They can score the ball, but now
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: it comes to accountability on the other side of the floor,
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: and that's playing defense. So, Sean, usually speaking, there's an
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: element of hurt feelings. Hurt feelings. Because your action players
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: do things that they don't want to do naturally, and
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: that's why I play defense and defense. be able to
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: run down the floor and get yourself set and all
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: the things that most times defensively that it hurts. It
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: hurts your body to get over screening action. to play
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: help to help with defense, to run in transition and
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: build a wall, to take away, I will say tonight,
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: Jamal Murray's penetration versus the Jazz versus the Nuggets or
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: be early position to try to take on Jokic if
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: he does play as a Jazz tonight as far as
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: him being a laser passer. So these are all things
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: that the Jazz have to try to improve dramatically. And
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: it starts with accountability. And I'm sure the coaches, they
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: know this. And the players I'm sure we'll find out
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: very shortly. So there'll be element of her feelings and
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: her feelings, Sean are good in the pros, because that
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: means that you're challenging them about where we're playing to win.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: And that's really the essence of the whole thing, especially
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: in the pro ranks and college and high school, there's
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: mixed emotions and, and you want to win certainly, but you,
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: you're still developing someone's personality and approach. It's, it's really,
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: it's good to business all the way.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: We started the show today, Gordy talking about the Oregon quarterback,
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Dante Moore, who's got to make a decision on, you know,
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: risking further injury coming back. He's a projected top draft
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: pick all these things, you know, you got to weigh
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: in a lot of different factors when you're trying to
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: get yourself back on the field for any team. And
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: in the, the recent years for the Utah jazz, as
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: soon as somebody broke a fingernail, it was like, okay,
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: we can shut that guy down or we don't have
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: to rush him back because again, you're not really trying
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: to win. Now this year you have to manage those
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: injury situations a lot more carefully and you got to
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: maximize someone's potential and contributions while also preserving their longevity.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: How is a coach? Do you do that?
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: How is a coach? Do you handle that with players?
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: How involved does the medical staff have to be here?
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Because the Jazz are going to now try to get
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: guys back on the court as quickly.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: As they can.
• 37:34
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: So the first thing is that the coaching staff added
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: the equation. It's based on a medical team. The doctors
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: determine and the athletic trainer, they are the key parts
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: of it, of a player can play or not. And
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: within that, the trainer, especially, he knows the player's personality well.
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: and they're innately a pain threshold. Again, certain players can
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: play through pain. And I'm not saying long-term pain. I
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: just mean as far as you have a sprained wrist
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: or different levels of that, obviously. But the trainer knows that,
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: and they determine if a player is ready to play.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: And especially in the playoff games, most guys want to play, absolutely,
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: in playoff games. But if it hurts them as far
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: as long-term, they're going to sit them out. So the
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: doctors decide the coaches have no input in that at all.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: Gordy Chiesa is our guest here on the Sean O'Connell show.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: Talk at all things, basketball coaching, NBA basketball right now.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: Also the NBA Gordy is experimenting in this preseason with
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: smart basketballs and like Apple watches basically for the referees
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: where they could communicate with the replay center and things
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: like that. More technology being added into the game of
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: basketball and, We've already seen in every sport how officials'
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: jobs can get cleaned up.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: They can get calls a little bit more accurate.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: The replays make sure that exactly what is supposed to
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: be called does get called in most cases. And now
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: the smart basketball, the ball itself providing some data, could eventually,
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: not this year, but could eventually change that and dial
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: things in even further. What do you make of these
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: technological advances in the game of basketball?
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: I'm all for it, very much. Again, with AI being involved,
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: to say the least, is that it's the next generation
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: of it, and it should. So short describing right now,
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: we're Wilson Sporting Goods, who makes the NBA basketball, and
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: they're going to have this ball where it's sensory, and
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: that is able to determine, basically, to help the referee
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: make a decision. Sean, for example, if the ball is
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: out of bounds and the ref couldn't see it totally
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: and he makes the call and suddenly the ball would
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: tell the referee, who touched the ball to go out
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: of bounds. And I'm not talking about the last two
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: minutes of the game where you can go to monitor.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: I'm just talking in general about doing it. And so
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: they have the technology to do that. And also with the,
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: you mentioned about Apple, it means that the referees have
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: on their wrist, they can communicate with the replay center
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: in Seacoast, New Jersey, about scoring changes. Was it a
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: two-point shot or was it a three-point shot? Was there
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: a clock malfunction? And was it, uh, reviewable? Some of
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: the different things, you know, really increase as far as
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: a takeaway time. So a big factor in the NBA,
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: the world's perfect showing they like to have, because the
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: TV purposes have every NBA game finished between two hours
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: and 10 minutes, two hours and 15 minutes so that
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: they could have after the game, um, have the star
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: player on the court interview him a quick, they call
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: it stand-up, and then the next game starts, let's say,
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: at 7.30 at night, 5 o'clock back east, 7.30 here in,
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: let's say, Utah, or 8.30 in the West Coast. So
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: they want to have the game more concise, and this
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: helps the referees make better decisions without going a long time.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: You've seen it so many times, Sean, where players and
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: fans say, they keep going to the monitor and they
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: keep saying, really, really, we make a decision and that
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: takes away the flow of the game. So they're trying
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: to make the game much faster, more importantly, accurate based
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: on technology.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: The New York Knicks and Carl Anthony towns have not
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: come to an agreement on a contract extension. Well, how
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: is this going to affect him, them, the relationship between them?
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, these guys are usually professionals about all this stuff,
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: but that's a, defending championship team with some high hopes
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: for this season.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: How does this affect things?
• 41:51
  Speaker 7: It does.
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: You see what happened with that. Jalen Brunson gave a
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: hometown discount on his last contract, and that helped him
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: get the players they needed, meaning they were able to
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: get OG and Anobi, and it helped them tremendously as
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: far as them and the NBA.
• 42:08
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: So the question in Knickerbocker basketball and for Carlton Downs' people,
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: he's a CAA client, is that who blinks first? That
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: the Knicks offered him a really tremendous contract, but there's
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: a slight discount of him not getting the max. And
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: the question is that who's going to give in first? Now,
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: where the rules are is that Anthony Towns on the contract. Sean,
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: he makes this year $ 57 million, and next year, $ 27 million,
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: $ 28 million. He makes $ 51 million with a player option.
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: So he's eligible for the extension right now. If there's
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: no terms, if it doesn't come to terms, then this summer,
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: they can get a do-over again. But the question is,
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: are there hurt feelings? And those hurt feelings become hard feelings.
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: And so, again, this is what happens when you have
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: an elite team Everyone wants to get paid, and from
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: a management ownership standpoint, they can't do it as far
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: as the practicality of it, that someone has to not
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: get paid, they believe, as far as equal value, and
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: that's where it gets so interesting. And, Sean, that affects
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: the chemistry of a team. Chemistry is so important in
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: any professional sport, especially in an intimate locker room of
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: only 12 people. And if the guy next to you
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: is dramatically overpaid or dramatically underpaid, it does affect the group.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: Even though you have well intentions, it does mentally affect.
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: You say to yourself, I'm not getting what I'm worth
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: as far as my value. And then you're a professional athlete.
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: You only have X amount of years in your career
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: to make money.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: So if you're Carl Anthony Towns, what is the right
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: number for him? If it's four years, 200 mil, and
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: they're like, no, that's not enough. He's eligible for a
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: max contract up to $ 276 billion. You're a guy who
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: knows everything. All these dynamics that you're talking about, the
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: danger of overpaying a guy, the danger of underpaying a
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: guy who helped you win a championship last year and
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: maybe losing him emotionally.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: So what should they pay?
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: What they offered him. Remember now, he's also age 31
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: years old. So in his world, this is the last
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: big contract. In Neckerbocker's world... They're not going to say
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: it because it doesn't affect Anthony Towns, but it does
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: as far as negotiation. Josh Hart also is up for
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: the extension. So the question is they're trying to pay
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: both guys where they respect their value, but they don't
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: want to dramatically overpay. And so that's where it gets interesting, Sean.
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: So the Knicks offered him a fair contract. He wants more.
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: Who's going to blink first? Part of that also discussion
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: is Josh Hart, who we know at 6'6, one of
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: the best players in the NBA as far as rebounding.
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: He plays much bigger than his height. And that Knicks
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: would like to have both guys as far as being happy.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: They're going to try to navigate that and see if
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: they can get both of them somewhat happy. But how
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: they do it is when they do it. Will they
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: do it during the season before the season starts? Will
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: they do it next summer? Or will they do it
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: not at all and take one guy over the other? Again,
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: it's fascinating. It's way beyond just playing on the court.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: Chemistry on the court is one thing, but also chemistry
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: in the locker room is a factor also. So it
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: should be interesting how it plays out.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: Gordy, what's your list today?
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: Okay, my list today, Sean, is very segway. Also, as
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: far as... players, and reliability. So this list today is
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: the all-time leaders in most consecutive games played. The most
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: consecutive games played, the all-time leaders. And it has a
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: Utah-Sean flavor in it. So here we go. Tied number 10,
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: as far as the all-time consecutive games played, is Jack
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: Twyman and John Stockton. They played a total of 609
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: consecutive games. Number nine, former Ute standout Andre Miller played
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: in 632 consecutive NBA games. And Andre Miller is one
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: of the most underrated, tremendous players in the last 25
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: years as far as what he did for his teams
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: over the year. He had a brilliant 17-year career. Number eight, Sean,
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: he plays for the Knicks, and Jalen Brunson took a
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: hometown discount to help the Knickerbockers trade for this guy
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: from the Brooklyn Nets, Mikkel Bridges. He's never missed a
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: game in his eight-year NBA career actively. He's played now
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: in 638 consecutive games. Number seven, his nickname was The
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: Horse because people used to bounce off him because he
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: was so strong. Harry the Horse Gallatin, he played back
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: in the 50s and 60s. 682 consecutive games. Number six,
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: Bill Lambert, 685. Number five, all-time, Dolph Shays, 706. Number four, all-time,
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: Michael Cage, 736. Number three, Johnny Redker, 844. Number two
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: all-time in most consecutive games played in the NBA is
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: Randy Smith at 906. And the all-time leader in most
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: consecutive NBA games played over a 15-year period. This guy
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: didn't miss a game. A.C. Green played in 1,192 games. Quickly,
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: just some quick side notes. Ron Boone, our colleague and friend,
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: has a streak of 1,041 consecutive games played, including 662
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: in the ABA and 379 in the NBA. And the
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: last point is this. This is the all-time record that
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: might never be broken by anybody in any sport. That
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: is Cal Ripken. Cal Ripken of the Baltimore Orioles played
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: in 2,632 consecutive games from May 30th, 1982. Sean, that's
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: before you were even born, Sean, you and James Peterson.
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: And he played through September 19th, 1998. So that's my
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: list of today.
• 48:51
  Speaker 7: Gordie.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: I agree with you.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: I think that might be the most unbreakable record in
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: professional sports, because I don't think people, I don't think
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: anyone's even going to try to chase it anymore.
• 49:01
  Speaker 7: Right?
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: They're like, nobody wants that record. Nobody wants to just
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: grind through 16 years of baseball with 162 games played
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: per season. They're just, they're shutting down voluntarily now, even
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: if they don't have injuries. So that one is going
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: to stand until the the earth turns to dust.
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: I know quarterback could last for longer. The alignment, it's
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: tough for alignment though.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: Really difficult in the game of football. Gordy, you're the man.
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: Very much.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: Always appreciate you, my friend. Thank you.
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: Thanks, Sean. Peace out.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: By the way, Lou Gehrig played 2,130 consecutive games.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: They just don't do it. They don't make them like
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: that anymore.
• 49:48
  Speaker 7: Kids.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: As long as we're on baseball with that transition conversations
• 49:55
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• 50:01
  Speaker 2: have a little bit of fun with the baseball game
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: last night where the Padres tip and pitches on accident.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: We'll discuss.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: It's the Sean O'Connell Show on ESPN 700, 92 on FM.
• 50:13
  Speaker 9: Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: Are you tipping your pitches in your life at work?
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: Mason Miller for the San Diego Padres last night maybe
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: was accidentally cluing the Milwaukee Brewers into whether he was
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: throwing fastball or breaking ball. And the Brewers allegedly were
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: able to figure that out by getting a runner on
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: second base, which of course you're trying to do anyway.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: You want runners in scoring position. Christian Yelich with an
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: incredible stolen base gets the second.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: This is in the eighth inning, if I'm not mistaken.
• 51:08
  Speaker 7: And.
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: From there on, it got a little bit funky for
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: Mason Miller, who had had a great day on the mound.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: The internet sleuths have been going over this, and there
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: was a guy who, from the outfield camera view, happened
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: to notice that if you're behind Mason Miller when he's pitching...
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: his setup, like the way he's gripping the ball in
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: his glove when he's pitching out of the stretch, you
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: can see more of his pitching hand, more of his
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: pitching wrist out of his glove when he's going to
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: throw a breaking ball versus when he's going to throw
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: a fastball. So if you're at second base and you
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: see some extra wrist, you could theoretically tip the batter
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: off If you had prearranged signals like teams sometimes do
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: by grabbing the brim of your hat or maybe grabbing
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: your own wrist and everyone is trying to figure out
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: whether or not that is why the pitching got a
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: little bit weird, a little bit funky for Mason Miller
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: and puts the Padres down zero two in this series.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: Everyone on the Milwaukee brewers seems to be like a
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: little bit coy about the whole thing. Cause you can't
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: say too much. This is not a Houston Astros. It's
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: not a technology kind of a thing, right? This is
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: not a, you're using cameras and algorithms and figuring out
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: you're not spy gating this thing. You're getting a runner there.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: And then the runner is tipping off the pitches allegedly
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: to the, the batter to reduce the unpredictability of what
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: a pitcher is throwing at you. You still have to
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: hit the ball. You still have to get a good
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: read on a pitch, whether you should swing on it
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: or not. Even if you know what pitch is coming,
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: it's difficult, I'm sure, in Major League Baseball that it pitched.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: But how much easier would it be if you knew
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: what pitch was coming? This is why the Houston Astros
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: won World Series. There's a lot of rumor and innuendo
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: that this is actually something that the mid-2010 San Francisco
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: Giants did.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: Also were really good at that.
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: There was a particular coach in their dugout or in
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: their bullpen that could read what a pitcher was throwing.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: And they had a system allegedly to tip off the
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: batters to what was coming. I love this type of gamesmanship,
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: weird stuff in the game of baseball, because again, if
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: you don't get Yelich into second base and and he's
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: not able to tip off the pitches, or he's not
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: able to get the right read, or he gets the
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: wrong one and tips off the wrong pitch, now are
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: we talking about it at all? Now do we notice
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: it at all? Do we notice it even more? Baseball
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: is wild for all of its strategic advantages, disadvantages, tricks, spycraft, tradecraft.
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: Baseball more than any other sport.
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: And in college football, remember, there's rule changes now in
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: football that disallowed the Connor Stallion situation, the sign reading,
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: the sign stealing, because you can just radio communicate into
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: somebody's helmet. Sooner than later, we're going to have accusations
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: about some team intercepting the communications from the other team.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: That will happen. I don't know who's going to do it.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know when it's going to happen, but that
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: will happen because everyone's trying to fudge the rules, play
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: with whatever advantage they can find, even if it's borderline
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: cheating or just flat-out cheating. So a little intrigue, a
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: little drama in Major League Baseball.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: You'll love it.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: Hope you're watching some MLB playoffs. Do we have any
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: games on the station this week, James?
• 55:22
  Speaker 5: We have a number of games on the station this week,
• 55:25
  Speaker 5: including tonight after the coaches' show, Padres-Brewers.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: This game, this, this series, this exact series. All right.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: I like that.
• 55:34
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• 55:36
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  Speaker 2: down there on Summit Ridge Parkway in Santa Quinta. We'll
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: check in on the team down south with Jerem Jordan.
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  Speaker 1: Jerem, welcome. How are you, sir?
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  Speaker 7: .
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  Speaker 7: you know, I,
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  Speaker 7: I haven't had too many weird stumbles on BYU TV
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  Speaker 7: over the years, but yeah, trust me. I got, I
• 57:43
  Speaker 7: got some bowling alley lanes up at times. So it's
• 57:48
  Speaker 7: all good. Have you guys gotten me good on that one?
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  Speaker 1: Speaker 0 1, you ever been caught on a hot
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  Speaker 1: mic at any time in your career?
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  Speaker 7: I think so. And I say weird things, but not
• 57:58
  Speaker 7: bad things. So we're, we're good.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 2: BYU remains undefeated top 10 team in the country again
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  Speaker 2: after Florida was more appropriately ranked this week than they
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: were in the week previous when BYU was on a
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  Speaker 2: pie and got punished for it. And look, they remain
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  Speaker 2: undefeated in, I would say, not the most beautiful game
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  Speaker 2: that we've seen this BYU team play, but winning ugly
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  Speaker 2: is important. Great teams have to do it at some
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  Speaker 2: point during their season. It felt like this was the
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  Speaker 2: week that BYU had to pull out something kind of
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: grimy and ugly. in a bad weather game against TCU.
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  Speaker 2: What was your reaction to that game being that close
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: and I guess some of the offensive woes that BYU experienced?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, it was good to pull that out because in
• 58:51
  Speaker 7: the second quarter, I'm sitting there going, okay, everything else
• 58:56
  Speaker 7: be damned here. You just got to win. It was
• 59:00
  Speaker 7: way more wet and the weather affected the game more
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  Speaker 7: than I think BYU thought. They thought the rain would
• 59:06
  Speaker 7: stop by the games game time, but then kind of
• 59:09
  Speaker 7: just missy and wet the whole time. So BYU had
• 59:12
  Speaker 7: false starts. They had some grounded snaps. They couldn't kind
• 59:15
  Speaker 7: of get the run game going. And obviously when LJ
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  Speaker 7: Martin leaves the game, that changes a lot. He's just
• 59:20
  Speaker 7: so important to what BYU is doing. And then, you know,
• 59:23
  Speaker 7: both quarterbacks had trouble gripping the ball. And so at
• 59:25
  Speaker 7: that point, it's like just survive and win. I talked
• 59:28
  Speaker 7: to Aaron Roderick yesterday for a minute and he said,
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  Speaker 7: every great team that I've been on and he's referring
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  Speaker 7: to Utah and BYU, we had to win at least
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  Speaker 7: one or two of those kinds of games a year.
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  Speaker 7: And that was it for BYU. You also have to
• 59:40
  Speaker 7: acknowledge that TCU is third best run defense to be
• 59:47
  Speaker 7: oil faces here. Let's talk about Notre Dame, Utah and TCU,
• 59:50
  Speaker 7: you know, for BYU to just win the game somehow
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  Speaker 7: that was great because you're on the road and it's,
• 59:58
  Speaker 7: it's a, you know, an opponent that yes has struggled,
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  Speaker 7: but it has a good defense and you don't have
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  Speaker 7: your offensive player of the year in the league sitting there.
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  Speaker 7: He goes out with a, it looked like an ankle injury. Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: That's a big deal to win that. I thought that
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  Speaker 7: was good. You know, 10 times you always been a
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  Speaker 7: top 10 team played an unranked team and won by
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  Speaker 7: a one score game, you know? So it happens like
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  Speaker 7: it happened three times in 84. I've been three times
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  Speaker 7: in 2001. you know, in 2024, BYU is not top 10,
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  Speaker 7: but they're, they're top 15, top 20. And they survived
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 7: against Oklahoma state who stunk that you're like, you just
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  Speaker 7: have to figure out ways to win in certain moments.
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  Speaker 7: And because BYU has Notre Dame and Utah still sitting there,
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  Speaker 7: I don't know that like stop points even matter, like
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  Speaker 7: just keep winning. And BYU went up doing the poll.
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  Speaker 7: It wasn't like it was a big deal to the voters.
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  Speaker 2: Speaker 4 0 1 Yeah. I, I think the style
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: points thing with the, the new gigantic conferences, And when
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  Speaker 2: you have certain teams on your schedule, I think it's
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  Speaker 2: an overblown conversation to have. And I know that there
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: were people in, you know, the BYU fan base, a
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  Speaker 2: small segment that wanted Kalani to be running up scores
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  Speaker 2: and piling things on.
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  Speaker 1: And it just, it all comes out in the wash.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's a normal reaction to have to, to
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  Speaker 2: not running up scores and then to winning a close
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  Speaker 2: game against the TCU team that may or may not
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  Speaker 2: be great.
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  Speaker 1: May or may not be good.
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  Speaker 2: Even I agree with you on their defense at the
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  Speaker 2: very least, by the way, but, like when Notre Dame's
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  Speaker 2: coming to town and when you've got what we think
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  Speaker 2: is going to be, you know, a top 10, top
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: 15 matchup against your in-state rival at the end of
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: the day, the college football playoff rankings are going to
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: factor those things in more than this game on the
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  Speaker 2: road in wet weather.
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  Speaker 7: A hundred percent. And trust me, I would love a
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  Speaker 7: style point. That's why Florida jumped 13 spots and then
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 7: they got smacked and they got, you know, they got put, uh, volatility,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 7: but there is a respect for BYU that I don't
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 7: think they've had because they they've done it for now.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 7: A third straight year is like, no, they're good. We
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 7: acknowledge that they won. You know, people don't know all
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 7: the details of the LJ got hurt and it was
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 7: wet and blah, blah, blah. The point is BYU one.
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  Speaker 7: And it's, it's, it's good. Winning feels great. And in fact,
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  Speaker 7: I talked to one player who, who said Kalani told us,
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  Speaker 7: we need to appreciate winning even more like this is hard.
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  Speaker 7: Like BYU is getting used to winning, you know, they Hey,
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  Speaker 7: we need to celebrate when we win. Like we worked
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  Speaker 7: so hard to get to this point. Every win matters
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  Speaker 7: and it's so difficult. So yeah. Props to BYU figuring
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  Speaker 7: it out.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 7: Was it, was it bear Bachmeier's worst passing game as Cougar?
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 7: Was it one of his grittiest best rushing games as
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 7: a Cougar?
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 7: He ran the ball 15 times, Sean, seven of those
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 7: were for a first down or a touchdown. So when
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 7: he touches the ball, things happen. 16-2 as a starter.
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  Speaker 7: Dude has not lost to a team not named Texas
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 7: Tech quite yet.
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  Speaker 1: That's pretty crazy. So what is the story with L.J.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 7: Martin?
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  Speaker 2: Because obviously you've said it every week and it manifested
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: itself again in Dallas-Fort Worth. He is so incredibly important
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: to this Cougars offense. How injured is he?
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  Speaker 7: Speaker 3 0 So injured that client stock. I said,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 7: he's doubtful for the game Friday. And if I'm BYU,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 7: I don't plan. You know, I feel like BYU could
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 7: be at Iowa state without him and Notre Dame's coming
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 7: next week. You need to be as healthy as humanly possible.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 7: And you always have a little banged up. Isaiah Glasgow,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 7: by the way, also not on the depth chart, doubtful,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 7: not expected against Iowa state. And then it's TBD moving forward.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 7: The seriousness of that injury has not been made publicly yet.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 7: Don't expect him against though. You're starting nickel and punt
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 7: returner to play this Friday. So it is a short week.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 7: You always already out without Andrew Gentry and Joni Mala Raider.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 7: The Mooney is ahead of schedule. I haven't heard whether
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 7: he might be available Friday, but there's potential there. If not,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 7: hopefully next week against Notre Dame. So yeah, it'd be
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 7: always a little banged up more than normal for teams
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 7: at this point. So hopefully they can be as healthy
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 7: as possible and then Next man up behind Isaiah Glasgow.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 7: I think you always had some good play from Jake Clifton,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 7: the K state transfer, and then Cialis there will be
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 7: back against Iowa state. So there's some good news. So there's,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 7: there's a lot going on on the injury front right now.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: I was going to ask you about the Sarah thing,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: because this is an Iowa state team that I don't
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: think they can do a lot of things all that well,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: but Aiden Flora, if you don't have good linebacker play
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: and you don't have good pursuit angles, he can make
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: you pay for that.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: Um, What do you make of the matchup?
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: Especially when BYU is defenses on the field, trying to
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: stop that.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: I would say run game, Speaker.
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  Speaker 7: 4 08 and Flora is like the surprise of the league.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 7: I think he's been fantastic. He's one of like the
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 7: four guys that feels like that stayed. Yes. Everyone went
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 7: to Penn state and it's like, where'd everybody go?
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: I know it's, I know you're joking, but it's like
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: almost that number.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: It's they had, they had like 10 guys stay.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 7: It's crazy. And who wouldn't want to go to Penn state?
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 7: Like all the tradition, like I get clients talking, Hey,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 7: they gave him a scholarship right away. And he has,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 7: he has, you know, paid that off. Well, Saturday, unbelievable
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 7: 212 rushing yards on 22 carries three rushing touchdowns. The
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 7: thing that gets me is the two passing touchdowns. So
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 7: I watched this game and I go, okay, I know
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 7: he's going to throw for two. They throw him a
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 7: quick bubble. He's backwards. He throws a forward touchdown. Like,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 7: BYU's run that play against Wisconsin in 2018 to win
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 7: on the road when they were number six. That was
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 7: a great play. But the one that got me was
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 7: kind of the Chris Leak, Tim Tebow thing. So they
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 7: hand off to Flora. Toss right. He runs, you know,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 7: here it comes. Power right.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 6: Nope.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 7: Just kind of pulls up, throws it over the top, touchdown.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 7: He was a high school quarterback. He's also their power turner.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 7: He started an FBS at 8.1 yards per carry. He
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 7: has four punt returns of 50 plus in his career.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 7: Most among active players. This dude is like maybe the
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 7: MVP to his team in the big 12. He's been awesome.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 7: And so he's fast too. Like you always got to
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 7: defend him. Well, I also liked the fact that there's
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 7: a couple of Utahns coming in from Iowa state, a
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 7: couple of connections. So first off, Dominic over me, West Jordan,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 7: Jaguar wide receiver, leading receiver. That's fun. Isaac Terrell also from,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 7: from Lehigh. He's the leading sack man for our state.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 7: And then Michael Harper, former BYU safety. He is probably
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 7: going to start because of an injury drew surge, the
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 7: strong safety. And so you've got some connections there. I
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 7: think it's cool. I've always respected Iowa state's program too,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 7: as a team that is like consistently to very good
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 7: and like tough and like all, like all the values
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 7: are great, like hardworking, nice people. So I, I think
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 7: it's going to be a fun one Friday night. I,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 7: what I fear is that, you know, the margin is
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 7: closer than we think. I think BYU wins the game
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 7: with that. If LJ Martin doesn't play, I think BYU
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 7: at night is money. They've won 14 in a row
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 7: at night, 5 p.m. or later total. And then 31
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 7: and five in the last four years at night. BYU
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 7: is just a great team at night. And then BYU
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 7: is a double digit favorite. They've won 18 in a
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 7: row of those kinds of games. So yeah, everything points
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 7: at BYU being in the right place. Now this could
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 7: have been a massive trap game, Sean, because Notre Dame's
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 7: sitting there. They've already announced it on ABC in primetime.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 7: You're probably getting Fowler Herbstreet game day, the whole thing.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 7: But I think BYU last week was like, okay, we're
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 7: not so good that we aren't going to be in
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 7: dogfights here. Um, let's, let's, let's make sure we're humble
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 7: and ready and hungry and all the stuff that Kalani says.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 7: I think though, I think it cannot be a trap
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 7: game now because of what happened last week.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: I just looked it up because when you mentioned the
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: Utah connections on the Iowa state roster, um, I I've
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: said this so many times on my show, but like
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: 20 years ago, when you and I were in high school,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: shout out class of 2002, uh, guys, even the great
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: players in this state, they didn't go far afield. If
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: you went somewhere out of state, you went on the
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: West Coast. I was like, Iowa State didn't recruit guys
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: out of the state of Utah at all when we
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: were in high school. So I was like, okay, let
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: me see if I can find who the first player
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: from the Utah high school ranks. And I don't know
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: if Google's AI overview is all that reliable, but according
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: to the Google search.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: Dominic Overby is the first modern scholarship roster player from
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: a Utah high school on the Iowa state Cyclones roster.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 7: you know, Porter Gustin out of
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 7: Salem Hills getting recruited by everybody, you know, urban Meyer
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 7: was coming in to look at him for Ohio state
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 7: and everything. He came to like a Salem Hills basketball
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 7: game in like January or something. It was like, what
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 7: the heck? You know, I was tracking the, the plane
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 7: at Provo and whatnot. I would also like to take
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 7: this moment regarding high school football to shout out to
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 7: my guy, Darius Matthews, the head coach at Copper Hills
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 7: high school, who for just the second time in Copper
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 7: Hills history beat Bingham over the weekend. who are insured
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 7: of the first winning season in Copper Hills football history.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 7: We have sucked for so long, and this year we're good.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 7: I love it. Go Grizzlies.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I could tolerate either of those
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: shout-outs because Copper Hills tragically upset Jordan High when we
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: were seniors the same week that we were all involved
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: in filming an episode of Touched by an Angel, which
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: was very awkward.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: And then let me tell you something.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: When you're a high school football player and you're supposed
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: to beat a team and then you lose to that team.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: And then you have to go see that team again
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: on Saturday night after you lost on Friday night.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: Cause you're getting paid awkward.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: You're getting paid $ 75 to be part of a touch
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: by an angel episode.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: That is not worth it. Okay. That sucked so bad.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah, that was gnarly. I remember, I think I
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 7: told the story, but I'll tell it again. They have
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 7: all this equipment on the track for the Touched by
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 7: an Angel crew. And I am at this point learning
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 7: how to shoot and edit footage. I know I want
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 7: to get in the industry and blah, blah, blah. I'm
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 7: doing a little five-minute segment every other day on what
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 7: they called Channel One back in the day, kind of
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 7: on our school news. I'm taking a class. It's so fun.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 7: I'm like, this is great, this is great. My viewfinder
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 7: is on the right side. So I'm kind of blind
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 7: when I'm shooting to the right. I start walking on
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 7: the track where all that equipment is in front of
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 7: the whole student body. They're going crazy. I run into
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 7: the stuff on the track, fall over in front of
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 7: everyone and just make something out of myself. And that
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 7: was very embarrassing. Oh, but you know what? Tony Saunders,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 7: our star receiver that year. He was awesome.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: Not as embarrassing as losing the copper Hills. I'll tell
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: you that. Jerem Jordan is our guest here on a
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: little red and blue.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: So I was state decent at least TCU question mark, BYU.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: Good Texas tech. Good. Utah.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 5: Good.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: Baylor question, Mark, what are we, how should we be
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: talking about the Baylor bears who are surprising four in
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: one team right now in the conference?
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 7: like they're four and one in their one losses to
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 7: Auburn where on a two point conversion, they didn't lead
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 7: the receiver. Like we didn't, if he leads them, they
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 7: win their five and only they might be ranked right now.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 7: Their defense has really shut teams down. That's like the
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 7: strength of the team cutter. Bully has looked nice in
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 7: the first half against a and M, but then now
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 7: we know a and M stinks, you know, they beat
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 7: Kansas and London. in, but like that Arizona state does.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 7: But yeah, that, that, that was a surprise. There's, there's
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 7: a lot of parody past the kind of top five there.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 7: Cause it's kind of who's playing for kind of that six, seven,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 7: eight spot. Cause Houston, Oklahoma state and the big three,
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 7: as you mentioned, BYU, Texas tech, they feel like the
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 7: top five, like there's a line there. but maybe not.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 7: I mean, Baylor's coming to Provo in November. That's something
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 7: to be aware of. And if Lagway plays well, they've
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 7: got a chance of that defense. So that was, that
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 7: was very interesting over the weekend.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: Speaker 0 7, Baylor's schedule, by the way, not really
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: friendly at the back half, Iowa state, BYU, Texas tech, Houston,
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: all to finish.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 7: Better get some wins now. Cause you're losing at least
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 7: two of those Well, the final three, I mean, any,
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 7: even if BYU and Utah were playing that last three,
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 7: it'd be like, there's a loss or two in there
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 7: for almost anybody.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: Well, this, this is also interesting for me because, you know,
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: obviously everyone here in state has November 7th circled for
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: obvious reasons, but Utah plays Arizona the next week. That
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: is not a roll your helmet out and get a
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: win type game. And now BYU plays Baylor the next week.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: So like both of these coaching staffs, are going to
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: have to make sure that you don't just empty the
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: gas tank in a rivalry game and then not be
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: ready to play next week because you got real competition,
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: at least as we can tell so far in the
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: game after the.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 7: Game, Speaker 4, there was a stat last year that
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 7: they showed. I can't remember what it was exactly, but
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 7: after the BYU Utah game, both BYU and Utah had
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 7: tended to struggle the last couple of years, both won
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 7: last year for the first time in a while.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 10: Yes.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 7: There, there was a physicality and a certain emotion that
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 7: was depleting those teams. So yeah, I don't know that
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 7: the league is like, it's probably deep, but it's very
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 7: wide as Reese Davis described it last year. Yeah. There's
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 7: not a lot of gimme's we thought preseason, Hey, Iowa state,
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 7: everybody left. Oh, you're always going to win that one
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 7: by a million. No, they're better than you think. I
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 7: still think BYU wins and covers, but it's going to be,
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 7: there's more resistance there than you thought. And you got
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 7: to be aware, like BYU is one muffed pond or,
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 7: you know, turnover away from maybe losing the game against TCU.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 7: It's great that they figured it out and won because
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 7: sometimes it just gets a little messy and that, you know,
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 7: there will be tougher schedules for both BYU and Utah
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 7: that kind of show what they're made of at this point.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: Speaker 0 7th, Houston is such a wild card for
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: me in this whole scenario right now, because there's these
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: parallel races. I was talking about this yesterday.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: These, these, these parallel races for on paper, at least
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: the two spots in the big 12 championship game where
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: Utah and BYU play one another. They don't play Texas
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: tech or Oklahoma state, Texas tech and Oklahoma state do
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: play one another. So it's kind of like on paper,
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: the winner of the BYU Utah game, in control for
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: the one spot, the winner of the Texas Tech-Oklahoma State game,
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: in control for the other spot. But then Houston has crossover.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: Houston plays a bunch of these other teams where there's
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: no crossover in the top four outside of that. When
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: we look at this Houston team, and we talked about
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: them in the preseason as being a factor, have your
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: thoughts on them changed? Have they developed? Have they grown?
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: Are you more scared, less scared for Houston and what
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: they can be?
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 7: They are interesting, right? And regarding scheduling, they play Oklahoma
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 7: state coming up next week and then at Utah. So
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 7: those two weeks will really decide whether they're going to
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 7: be a contender or not in the league. They had
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 7: a weird game Saturday where they were done 17, nothing
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 7: to UCF. And then they scored 27 on the answer
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 7: to win. So you like credit them for the comeback,
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 7: but you're also like, why are you down 17, nothing
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 7: in the game? I don't know. They should be credited
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 7: with 24 and one, the one loss by two at
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 7: Texas tech on a, on a Friday night, like Houston's good.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 7: How good is the question? This is the year where
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 7: I wish we could have semi-finals in the league to
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 7: get into the title game is, could you imagine like that?
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 7: Cause there, it feels like there are five teams that
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 7: could win late this year. Last year was like, yep. know, there,
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 7: there are three good teams, Texas tech, clearly a notch above.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 7: And then it's BYU and Utah that are right there. If,
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 7: if we somehow had like a conference semifinal, can you
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 7: imagine that'd be awesome? Like one of the Houston or
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 7: Oklahoma state or something is the five seed and they're
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 7: left out and you have You have a couple of
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 7: fun matches just to get into that game. Obviously it's
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 7: not going to happen and it would not work. We're
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 7: going to expand the playoff probably to 24 and then
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 7: the conference title games are somewhat meaningless at that point.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 7: But Houston's an enigma still, we need to see what
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 7: they can do again. Like K state this week, K
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 7: state's played nobody. And then they lost the Cincy and
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 7: it's kind of been weird. They're better than we thought,
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 7: but they're not that good. So yeah, it's, it's feels
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 7: like a five horse race right now, but you know,
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 7: who knows? them pretty good. Arizona only has one loft
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 7: to BYU, but they play a really tough schedule. So yeah, the,
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 7: the expansive league makes it difficult. Like the old big 12,
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 7: where everyone played everybody, you can really figure out who
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 7: the best team was, but I'm not going to complain
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 7: too much. BYU wouldn't be in the league without this expansion.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean, it's, it's better to have it
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: be expanded. How hot is the seat of Dion Sanders
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: in Boulder right now in your mind?
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 7: It's a good question. Cause do you have the, my
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 7: immediate response to this for everybody, like Dabo at Clemson and,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 7: you know, Lincoln Riley at USC and everybody's like, do
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 7: you actually want to buy out that much? You know,
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 7: I don't know what his buyout is, but he, he's
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 7: such a, a polarizing figure in a lot of ways. Like,
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 7: do you think you can do B do better? Like you,
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 7: you want to break up right now? Like what, what
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 7: are we talking about? I do think it is warm
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 7: because they are not headed in a good direction and
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 7: And you had the one good year, but it's when
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 7: you brought, you know, your son and Travis Hunter over
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 7: from Jackson state. And obviously winning a Heisman is like
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 7: one of the coolest, even team things that you can do,
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 7: you know, and Shador was, was a good college quarterback.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 7: So yeah, I, it doesn't look good over there. I
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 7: wonder what they want to do and if they want
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 7: to give it another year or not, they don't really
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 7: recruit and a high school kid. So you're kind of
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 7: wondering outside of Juju Lewis, like you're wondering how How
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 7: developed are they? Are they going to make that? They
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 7: lost some notable guys in the portal, like Jordan seat
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 7: and the left tackle went to LSU and then a
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 7: DJ McKinney's at Notre Dame. We're going to see him
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 7: next week, a cornerback. So yeah, that's a good question.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 7: Does feel warm. It feels like it's getting warmer.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: Jay Hill, Colorado Buffalo's head coach question mark.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 7: Oh man. Tough for those guys.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 7: They're going through it. It's it's, hard to jump into
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 7: a blue blood and just have it just work. Right.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 7: Obviously you need good quarterback play a little brown jug.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 7: Didn't go the way of the Michigan Wolverine. So yeah,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 7: that's interesting. Cause you know, the hope is you had
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 7: great success, great success and you know, keeps Kalani forever. Uh,
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 7: the reality is there will be teams that come calling, uh,
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 7: you know, USC, it's been pretty public that USC had
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 7: some interest in Kalani, but plenty ever left, you know,
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 7: kind of your, your next guy is probably Jay Hill,
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 7: given how close he was. Right. And how successful he
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 7: was in DC. I don't know what that looks like
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 7: for him, but the hope is that you have Kalani forever.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 7: And it's not a thing. have to address anytime soon,
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 7: but certainly it'd be naive not to, not to at
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 7: least be ready and, or think about it. So hopefully
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 7: plenty is here forever, man. He, he joked in his
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 7: early days on the coaches show that he was the pot.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 7: He wanted to be the Polynesian Lavelle. He is absolutely
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 7: the Polynesian Lavelle, even after only 11 years, like keep
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 7: this guy going culturally perfectly aligned with what BYU is
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 7: and wants to be. So let's keep this going, man.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: They know that, right?
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, BYU knows that at every level now.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 7: I would hope so. And I feel so.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Okay.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: I think so too.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: I think that's, that's the sense I get, but obviously
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: you're a lot closer to it than I am. And
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: you know, it's fine to have these like scares and
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: minor soap opera moments, I think with a coach and
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: an athletic director and a department and a university and
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: whatever else. But like, if you, if you let that
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: guy walk, yikes in my, is my opinion.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 7: Yeah. Right. I would hope that he would be here forever.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 7: I just think he's so aligned with the unique mission
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 7: of BYU in all its facets. Like he takes the
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 7: high road. He's such a good dude. There's not a
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 7: dude that doesn't like Kalani right in the industry. So yeah, amen.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 7: And BYU is winning at a clip they never have
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 7: at this level. Like this is a golden era of
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 7: BYU football. I don't want it to end. BYU just
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 7: BYU just had its best modern, you know, and I
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 7: guess ever recruiting class ever. Several of these guys are
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 7: on missions, you know, so the next couple of years
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 7: is set up really nicely. BYU is in a great
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 7: spot in terms of like, they don't have to replace
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 7: a ton of dudes every year with portal guys. They
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 7: can be very specific and calculated and intentional. And so
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 7: hopefully that, that continues, man. It's going great. BYU is,
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 7: as relevant as they've ever been. And they're about to
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 7: have one of the most relevant moments in program history
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 7: next week when we think college game day will be
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 7: here for BYU-Notre Dame, man.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: Does the Iowa State game have anything to do with
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: that in your mind? Or are they coming? Because, I mean,
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: BYU's going to be a ranked team no matter what.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: Notre Dame's going to be a ranked team no matter what.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: But does the result on Friday night affect how big
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: this game is for the television networks?
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 7: Yes, I think it does. I think it'd be why
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 7: you lost that. They might not come. I think if they,
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 7: if Notre Dame max Stanford and BYU beats Iowa state,
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 7: I think, I think there'll be here as Reese Davis
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 7: said last week, said there's a good chance, but there, yeah,
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 7: there are some other interesting games that they wanted to,
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 7: but Ohio state, Indiana, you know, beginning kickoff already said
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 7: they're going to that one. You know, you, you've already
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 7: done LSU it's Mississippi state, like, you know, Alabama, Tennessee,
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 7: they've already already went to Tennessee, you know, for Texas, Tennessee.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 7: So it is pretty intriguing, Missouri, Ole miss, you've already
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 7: been to Ole miss. So it, you know, you bring
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 7: up a good point. Would they come anyway? Like even
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 7: if they're like 14th or 12th or something, it'd still
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 7: be a pretty good matchup, but I don't think it's
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 7: something they have to worry about. And BYU is going
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 7: to have to exercise some demons by the way, not
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 7: because you always own for when game, game. It was
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 7: TCU 09. BYU lost it where game day was. And
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 7: then they've had three road games historically. It's 04 Utah,
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 7: if I recall. And then 2020 Coastal Carolina, which is
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 7: weird in so many ways. And then last year at
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 7: Texas Tech in the regular season.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: Who's printing the Catholics versus Mormons t-shirts this year? Do
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: we know? Where are they going to sell those things?
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 7: That's a good question. Who's jumping all over that one?
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 7: It's like the other one needs to print out the
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 7: full name of the church, you know, to appease the church. Like, Hey, now,
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 7: now everyone's appeased.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: Perfect.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: Jerem, always appreciate your time. Enjoy the game on Friday
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: and we'll see you soon.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 6: Thanks, Sean.
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  Speaker 2: there's a sports story. I wanted to run by you
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  Speaker 2: because that's what we do in the Daily Dump. We
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: give out the random sports stories. And this one, I'm
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: a little outraged over, but it also is relevant here
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  Speaker 2: because you're in an AI-proof business as far as we
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  Speaker 2: can tell.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 2: It's going to be a long, long, long, long time
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  Speaker 2: before robots are showing up at the house to fix
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  Speaker 2: the air conditioner.
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  Speaker 11: Yes, that is correct.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: Washington State University, of course, used to be in the
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: Pac-12 alongside the Utes. Washington state university has announced that
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: they're partnering with a company called fan word, which is
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 2: an AI company. Uh, they're going to create their game recaps,
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: feature stories, player bios, and other editorial content is the
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: way that they worded it. So the sports writing that's
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: coming out of Washington state university, who by the way,
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: has their own school of journalism and broadcasting is now
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: going to be done by by fan word, by AI.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: This is, if you're in the sports industry like me,
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: it's aggravating. It's also a little bit terrifying.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 10: Well, the hard part is you don't know what's real
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 10: and what's AI. AI, you know, it does an amazing thing,
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 10: but you can never use AI for a finished product,
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 10: you know, because you have AI create something for you
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 10: and you look at it and you look at it
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 10: carefully and you'll notice that the picture has somebody holding
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 10: something that you're like, What.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 11: Even is that?
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 10: And little details like that.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 11: It'll be interesting to see how this works.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really crazy.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: That's the latest out of Washington State University, and they're
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: being appropriately lambasted for it.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: Everyone is just like, what are you doing? You cannot,
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: first of all....
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: The inaccuracies that you're talking about, we just experienced that
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: on the show today.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: Because we were talking with Jerem Jordan, and we were
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: talking about Iowa State's roster and how now they have
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: some Utahns on Iowa State's roster, which when you and
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: I were growing up was never the case.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: They were not recruiting guys out of the state of Utah.
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  Speaker 1: So I was like, you know what? I'm going to Google.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: I'm going to figure out when the first Utahn ended
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: up on that roster. And according to the AI overview
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: that it spits out, It was someone from this year's team.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, wow, this recently happened. Well, James
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: did the actual legwork, and he went back and looked
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: at the Iowa State rosters. And in the mid-2000s, you
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: had guys from Utah. So you can't trust, for sports especially,
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: you can't trust AI. If you're using it in your
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: company and it's working for you, great. But if you're
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: looking for sports information, don't rely on fan word.
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  Speaker 10: No, because you don't know what kind of parameters it's
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 10: looking at. You have no idea until it's wrong.
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  Speaker 7: None.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: And, I mean, to bring it back to Valley Plumbing, right,
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: like the trades and all of that, like you guys
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  Speaker 10: I mean, we use AI every single day in the trades,
• 1:31:24
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• 1:31:28
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• 1:31:32
  Speaker 10: of course, if we can't figure out a problem that
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 10: something– That we've never seen before. Of course, we're going
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 10: to we're going to look into it. We're going to
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  Speaker 10: ask questions. We're going to look at chat GPT. We're
• 1:31:41
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• 1:31:44
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  Speaker 1: And then.
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  Speaker 11: Figure out, is this real? Is it going to work?
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  Speaker 11: Is this legitimate?
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  Speaker 10: Or is this just some crazy person that said something
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  Speaker 10: online that AI picked up?
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there is some of that also.
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  Speaker 2: All right, so final word for our listeners who've been
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  Speaker 2: Jeff Schwartz joins us in about eight minutes here to
• 1:34:28
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• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: stats out there on NFL referees and how much they're
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: meddling with games, especially in important scenarios, fourth quarter scenarios,
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: scoring plays, things like that. So we'll get to that
• 1:34:47
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  Speaker 2: Dante Moore and whether or not he's got to make
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: some type of executive decision for himself on continuing to
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: play after the concussion and his draft status being up
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: in the air.
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  Speaker 1: That's coming. We didn't really get to a ton of
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: the Daily Dump stories.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 7: This is.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: We don't discuss tennis all that much. Coco Gauff, who is,
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 2: of course, an American tennis star and has done some
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: really incredible things on the women's tennis tour, is kind
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 2: of like the next, the natural progression of American superstar
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: after Venus and Serena Williams on the women's side of things.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: And she's already.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: firmly established as one of the best women's tennis players
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 2: in the world as a, an incredibly marketable star as
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: somebody with a ton of endorsement deals, a great spokesperson.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: And she had a situation.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 2: In a tournament in the China open where she's playing
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 2: a young woman. Who's of Chinese descent, a teenager on
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 2: the rise, the next Coco golf, like the Chinese version
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: of Coco golf.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: And she, There was a single point played a.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: Single point where there's video boards, advertising boards in the
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: arena that while play is happening, they they're right behind
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: the players.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: So they have to be off.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 10: Right.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: And this is now a thing in all of tennis everywhere.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: These tournaments have led boards, digital advertising boards, and the
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: way that they keep them from interfering with the plan,
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: the tennis being played and people's ability to see the ball,
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: kind of like a batter's eye. They keep it off
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: while gameplay is actually happening. And then between points, you
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 2: can flash your Rolex or your whatever advertisement. Well, during
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: a point during play, the video boards flashed on, they
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: turned on and Coco golf, pulled up and basically stopped
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: playing the point because of that, which is, it's going
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 2: to be a disqualified point anyway.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: And her opponent ends up winning the point.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 7: All right.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: So Coco stops playing return comes. All right. Well, that
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: one doesn't count.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: Unfortunately, it became kind of an inflection point in the
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 2: match where then after that, It looked like Coco kind
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: of really seized the momentum and ended up winning the match, which.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: She was the favorite anyway. But it was in China,
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: and this was a Chinese tennis player.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 2: So, of course, the local fans were really bothered by
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: this whole scenario. And this is something that we don't
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: have to deal with. I've never had to deal with.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 2: You hear about it in Sports like tennis, you hear
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: about it in sports like golf. You hear it about
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: it all over the world now.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: It's not just in the United States.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: We often have these conversations about how race relations need
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: to improve here in the United States of America. And
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: Coco took to Twitter shortly after this match and after
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: the minor controversy, like it's a nothing burger. She was
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: probably going to beat this teenager anyway, who's at the
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: very beginning of a big time career. They talked about
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: it at the net. Coco apologized for the confusion. The,
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: her opponent apologized for the issue and they're totally fine
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: with it.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: But Coco golf then.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: Gets back on social media and just is inundated with
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 2: with some of the most horrific racial, racially charged, like
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: slurs and abuse, verbal abuse.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: I guess it's not verbal. If you're reading it, whatever that's.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: Called, just brutal stuff because of a one point, a
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: 16 year old, her name is soon. She ran and
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: she beat her yesterday at the China open.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: Hey, little controversy.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: Because of a single point. And now you've got these
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: op-ed pieces on it. Like this, how about this headline
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: from Yahoo sports? Cocoa golf didn't cheat, but tennis made
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: it look like she did. And now she's being villainized
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: and on social media, especially, and from the, the Chinese
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: fan base, especially One of the biggest stars in tennis
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: is like, I don't want to deal with this anymore.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: I'm not, if you want to disagree with what happened, she,
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 2: her statement effectively was if you, if you want to deal,
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 2: if you want to disagree with how things happened, that's fine,
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: but you don't have to be racist about it. Imagine
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: being the star that she is and then having to
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: open your social media and and see all that stuff
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 2: just because of a point taken away from an opponent
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: on a technicality because whoever's operating the video boards handled
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: it wrong.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 7: Crazy.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: Her quote was this.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: Hey, everyone, you can dislike me or disagree about what
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: happened without being racist. The amount of racist comments DMs
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: I've received in the last few hours is insane.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: Lastly, I'm not a cheater or a thief. Crazy stuff.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: In the world of tennis.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 2: I'm watching the point right now.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: And to be fair, like.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 2: The switch of the video boards does not seem to
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 2: me like it would be something that would distract from
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 2: one's actual ability to compete, but she does pull up
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 2: and stop having seen it.
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: So I guess it did distract her enough.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 7: Crazy. Crazy.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 2: The flickering of the video boards constituted a hindrance to
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 2: her ability to play according to the chair umpire on
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: a video review.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 5: Oh, see, we know that golf golfers and tennis players
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 5: in particular are next level sensitive to anything that might
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 5: be distracting them while they're in play. It's the reason
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 5: why you hear the chair umpire say, quiet, please, quiet, please.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 5: Whenever there's any, whenever someone's like coughing. but as they're
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 5: about to start the next point. So this doesn't surprise me,
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 5: even though you're watching it, like an average person would
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 5: watch it, not a tennis player and going, Oh, that
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 5: doesn't seem that distracting. It doesn't surprise me that tennis
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 5: deems that very distracting.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: And Coco's, this is the last port Coco also mentioned.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: I think it's weird.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 2: I'm getting hate for following the rules. She is following
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: the rules, like the rules of tennis. Have this in
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: there for anything that could be a distraction, like somebody
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 2: yelling in your backswing, somebody talking during your service, somebody
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: like a piece of paper blowing onto the court from
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: somebody's a literal rapper in dropping.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 5: Sometimes it seems like, look, I. And I'm kind of
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 5: making fun of it, but also I get it. There's
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 5: different etiquette rules for every sport. And tennis, it just
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 5: happens to be a lot more strict etiquette rules when
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 5: it comes to noise and distractions.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: Here's a flex for you again. I did go to
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: Wimbledon this last summer. Oh, did you really? I haven't
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: heard you say that before.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I've said anything on air about
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 2: how I went to Wimbledon and was watching tennis. So
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: jealous of you. Next to the Royal Box. But here's
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 2: the thing. We're at Wimbledon and it was during the
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: men's match that we were watching. Um, you have demonstrative
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: players occasionally that are trying to get a little bit
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 2: of reaction from the crowd after a point. And, uh, that,
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 2: that started to develop in this men's match and the
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 2: chair umpire was like fighting against it. because of the,
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: because the etiquette thing, because he's like, he's like, you know,
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: he's like, it was a Baratini.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: He's just like, oh yeah, come on. Like after a
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: big point, come on, come on. Baratini, good player. And
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: people are just like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he's,
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: you know, then it's his serve again and he's bouncing
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: the ball. He's getting ready to serve and people are like, yeah,
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: let's go, let's go, let's go. And the chair umpire
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: is going like quiet. quiet. And they w they got
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: over the quiet, please. Then just like silence. I was like, okay,
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: let's go. It got progressively less polite. Yes, it was great.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 2: And you know, it was funny because it was, the
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 2: players were like egging it on. They were goading this,
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: but the chair umpire was like, this is a violation
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: of etiquette.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 4: Be quiet.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: Speaker 0 5th.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 5: It's it is funny when, when that happens, cause you
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 5: get players that try to get the crowd on their side,
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 5: especially after a big point like that.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 7: Right?
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 5: Um, but the chair umpire has to be like, okay, fine. You,
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 5: you did that, but also like, we got to make
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 5: sure it's deathly quiet before the next serve or else
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 5: you guys are going to screw up because of the noise.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 2: It's a funny situation. Uh, you know, we're going to
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 2: take a break here. We're going to get to Jeff
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: Schwartz next. He's the kind of person that the chair
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  Speaker 2: umpire would have to yell at in tennis. But we'll
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  Speaker 2: talk football with him instead. It's the Sean O'Connell Show
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  Speaker 2: on ESPN 700 and 92.1 FM. You're listening.
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  Speaker 4: To the Sean O'Connell Show from the Murdoch Hyundai Studio
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  Speaker 4: of ESPN 700 and 92.1 FM.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome in football insider and expert Jeff Schwartz. Former Oregon Duck,
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 2: longtime NFL veteran, gambling expert, friend of the show.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, Jeff, how are you?
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  Speaker 6: I'm good. I just heard that Adam would be bummed
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  Speaker 6: I won't be in town for the snowmobile convention.
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  Speaker 2: You need a snowmobile for your Charlotte, North Carolina activities?
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  Speaker 6: Okay, so you know how there's always stories about players,
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 6: quarterbacks and running backs, like getting their offensive linemen gifts?
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  Speaker 7: Yes.
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  Speaker 6: So when I was in Minnesota with Adrian Peterson, he
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 6: rushed for 2,000 yards. He missed the record by a
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 6: couple yards or 99 yards. It was a rough year.
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  Speaker 6: I wasn't very connected to the team, long story, whatever.
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  Speaker 6: So I had already, I think, left town before he
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  Speaker 6: sort of gave his gifts, but his gift for that
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  Speaker 6: year was a snowmobile to his offensive lineman. I live
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 6: in Charlotte, North Carolina. What was I going to do
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  Speaker 6: with a snowmobile? What are you going to do with this?
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  Speaker 6: I never got it because I wasn't in town. I
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  Speaker 6: just left Minnesota as soon as possible.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, that feels not great, right?
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  Speaker 2: If everyone gets the gift except for you because you
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  Speaker 2: left town early, it's silly.
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  Speaker 6: I never got it. I never got with the Giants
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  Speaker 6: either because I had left town because I was hurt.
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  Speaker 6: I was already out of town when Eli got the
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  Speaker 6: guys like Cowboy Boots one year in Nashville, but I
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 6: was already... I was injured. I didn't travel in that game.
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  Speaker 6: It was already after my surgery. I was already back,
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  Speaker 6: I think, in Charlotte.
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  Speaker 2: I always buy my cowboy boots in Nashville. Eli was
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: making really good money then. Cowboy boots are cheap in Nashville.
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  Speaker 2: That's not a good gift from Eli. A snowmobile, that's
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 2: a generous gift.
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  Speaker 6: I got a Breitling watch from Jonathan Stewart and Danjo Williams.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 6: And then one year, Alex Smith bought us Louis Vuitton
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  Speaker 6: travel bags.
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  Speaker 7: Wow.
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  Speaker 6: But what I did is the travel bag was nice.
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  Speaker 6: I have very large feet, and I couldn't even put
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  Speaker 6: a pair of shoes in there. It would just be
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  Speaker 6: the end of my... So I traded in and got
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  Speaker 6: my wife a purse.
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  Speaker 1: That's nice.
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  Speaker 6: So that was Mary's first big designer purse I ever
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  Speaker 6: bought her was because of that.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Don't say you bought it for Alex bought it for Alex.
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  Speaker 6: Well, yeah, Alex did. Alex bought her the purse. Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: It was like a four grand gift. I mean, I was,
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  Speaker 6: it was nice.
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  Speaker 1: Did, uh, does Alex know that you didn't keep his gift?
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  Speaker 6: Now he does.
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  Speaker 1: He listens to the show. I'm sure.
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  Speaker 6: I'm sure he does. But, um, my shoes didn't fit
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  Speaker 6: in the bag. I had no, I just, it was
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  Speaker 6: never going to work for me.
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  Speaker 1: That's fine. You don't, you don't have to wear shoes
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  Speaker 1: or use a bag that doesn't fit your stuff.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: That's fair.
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  Speaker 2: We started the show today weirdly talking about the Oregon Ducks.
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 2: Talking about Dante Moore. More in the grand philosophical sense
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 2: because he's back in practice. Non-contact is what we've been told.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure you know a lot more than I do
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  Speaker 2: about it. But they're talking about having him play against UCLA.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like that's doubtful, but maybe he's going to
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  Speaker 2: come back and play. And when we're talking about someone
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  Speaker 2: who is highly compensated as a college athlete, but is
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 2: also projected to be in probably the top five of
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  Speaker 2: an upcoming NFL draft, I don't know how you weigh
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 2: these options out if you're somebody like Dante Moore. So
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  Speaker 2: as someone who actually played and as someone who knows
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 2: more about the Oregon atmosphere and that situation, what are
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  Speaker 2: these conversations like right now with Dante Moore, his family,
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  Speaker 2: his agents?
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  Speaker 6: So I did see the reporters while he's practicing. Part
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 6: of the steps of being cleared from a concussion is
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 6: you have to practice, right? You have to go through
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 6: workouts and see how you feel afterwards. So I'm not
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 6: surprised he's doing it, but I'm also– it's a little
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 6: probably ahead of schedule from what I thought after that injury, right?
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 6: I thought that, you know, it would take a little
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 6: bit longer, but again, everyone recovers differently from head injuries, right?
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  Speaker 6: So we don't really know if, you know, if, you know,
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  Speaker 6: he's on the same path as anyone else. So I
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  Speaker 6: think it's, it's good news. He's out there obviously, right? Like,
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  Speaker 6: you know, clearly good enough to go out there and practice,
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 6: which is good. Well, he came back to play, right?
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  Speaker 6: So clearly he is in it to play this year
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 6: and guys who, you know, who are competitive and, and
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 6: have a drive to win, why does he feel it?
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  Speaker 6: He doesn't want to sit out, right? He wants to play.
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  Speaker 6: And I think if he's healthy, he's going to play.
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  Speaker 6: I felt it was kind of odd that we immediately
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 6: went to, like, Ramos should start when he comes back. Like, no,
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  Speaker 6: we've seen Ramos play for 20 games. He might be
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 6: great at some point for Oregon. But Dante Moore is
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  Speaker 6: their dude. Dante Moore is definitely going to start when
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  Speaker 6: he comes back. I think he'll play when he's healthy.
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 6: I think... I think if Dan Lanning and staff and
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  Speaker 6: the medical staff determine he's healthy to play this week,
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 6: he'll play this week. If not, he won't play this week.
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 6: And they'll be very cautious with it. But like I said,
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  Speaker 6: if you pass all the tests, man, and there's a
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  Speaker 6: multi-point test to come back to play, right? You have to,
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 6: part of it is, you know, you have to get
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  Speaker 6: through a practice, right? And see how you feel afterwards.
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 6: Do you have any more concussion symptoms? Do you have
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 6: any headaches? And it starts with just a simple workout
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 6: in the weight room. And then it progresses to this.
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  Speaker 6: If he passes all those checks, well, why would he
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 6: not play, right? That's put in place to make sure that,
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  Speaker 6: you know, you stay as healthy as possible in these circumstances.
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  Speaker 6: You come back healthy as possible. If he's cleared, Sean,
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  Speaker 6: I imagine he's going to play.
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  Speaker 2: So you don't think there's any conversation in the Dante
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 2: Moore camp of being like, look, you probably could have
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  Speaker 2: gone to the NFL draft last year.
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  Speaker 1: You didn't. And now we need to preserve whatever, you know.
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  Speaker 1: This didn't seem like.
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  Speaker 2: It didn't seem like the injury that's going to end
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 2: your season, but also Nick Bosa ended his season on
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 2: like a twisted ankle. So like when you're in that conversation,
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  Speaker 2: do you say, Hey, you know what? Let's just be done.
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  Speaker 2: Darren Peterson at Kansas wanted to do this last year.
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  Speaker 2: The jazz ended up drafting him. He didn't want to
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 2: play college basketball, but he did because he was getting
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 2: a bunch of money.
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  Speaker 7: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And like Dante Moore, I don't know where, I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if he loves playing at Oregon. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if it's like, something that he's just doing this to
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  Speaker 2: make it to the nfl and to sign a 27
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  Speaker 2: million dollar signing bonus or whatever.
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  Speaker 6: Well i think um what's interesting is is he he
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 6: hasn't played terribly well and it's the wrong way to
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  Speaker 6: put it like he hasn't played up to what people
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 6: thought he would this year and so i wonder if
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  Speaker 6: some of him is like i just gotta get back
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  Speaker 6: and put better film out there like i like i
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  Speaker 6: i don't i'd rather you know just not sit out
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  Speaker 6: the wrong way to say it but like i'm okay
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  Speaker 6: if i if I could sit out or had good
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 6: enough film, I'd sit out. But Sean, he has not
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  Speaker 6: played up to his standard so far this season, and
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  Speaker 6: that might be why he would come back and put
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 6: better film out there.
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  Speaker 3: Nice.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so that is something that I think we have
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 2: to factor in here. If your first four games are
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 2: just like consensus, incredible, all-American stuff, does it change the conversation?
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  Speaker 6: I think it would, yes. He also has one more
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 6: year to come back, by the way. He's going to
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 6: have to go to the NFL.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 7: Right.
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  Speaker 6: I actually think Raiola has less years than him.
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 7: Is that true?
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 6: I think it might be. But he can still come back.
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  Speaker 6: So there's no rush in my mind for him to
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 6: come back. But again, if he's healthy, he's going to play.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know why he wouldn't. These people think Raiola's
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 6: going to take his job, but Raiola's not taking his job.
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 2: Warren Sharp and other people were tweeting about the... Excessive
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 2: over-officiating of NFL games so far this season. More flags
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 2: than you've had in over a decade through four weeks.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 2: Number one most red zone penalties per game by offenses
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 2: in NFL history. Number one most penalties on third and
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 2: fourth downs in the second half of games in history.
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 2: 17 touchdowns nullified by penalties so far this year.
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: Is the NFL being over-officiated?
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 6: That just hurt my brain. It's like just... These people
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 6: are just, dude, they're so obsessed with the officials. I've
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 6: watched a lot of football. I'm sure you have on Sundays.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 6: I have never said once we have too many penalties
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 6: this year. Now, do I think the officials are perfect? No,
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 6: they miss calls all the time. But they are human.
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 6: It's a very tough job to do. I think some
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 6: calls you just can't miss. But I think for the
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 6: most part, they do a pretty good job. I have
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 6: not noticed too many flags. I haven't noticed a hole
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 6: up in games with too many flags. And that's how,
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 6: of course, people go right to like, Well, this is
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 6: why I lost my bets. They're just– come on, man.
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 6: Come on. I just– Sean, these tweets just feel like
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 6: people trying to aggregate stuff. I watch a ton of football.
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 6: I don't notice it at all. I don't notice it
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 6: at all. The gameplay has been fine. The games have
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 6: been really good. There are bad calls. The refs are
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 6: not perfect. But I think it's just not close to
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 6: the same way that this tweet wants to make it
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 6: out to be.
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  Speaker 2: Did you ever get a Trey McBride treatment from an official?
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 2: What's the harshest treatment you ever got?
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  Speaker 6: Thank you. I'm glad we were talking about this. So
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 6: for those who missed it, have you talked about this yet?
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: Not really.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 6: So there was a video of an official cussing at
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 6: a player. And my thought was like, yeah, that's what happens.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 6: Like we yell at them, they yell at us. Okay,
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 6: all right. I thought a two-game suspension for that felt harsh. Now,
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 6: the optics are not great, right? And maybe McBride was
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 6: the nicest guy all game, and he didn't deserve any
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 6: of this. But we cussed at referees, and they cussed
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 6: back at us. I didn't see the big issue. I
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 6: thought that was not that big of an issue. The
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 6: optics of it are pretty bad. I'll get the optics
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 6: of it don't look great. But, dude, that just did
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 6: not seem like a two-game suspension-worthy incident. for me, considering
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 6: how much that they get abused from coaches and players
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 6: throughout the game, and we do the fair share of that.
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 6: It's a bad clip, I get it, but without the
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 6: context of why he said that, Tugendam Spencer feels pretty heavy-handed.
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: What about the guy who got knocked over and got
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 1: up mad?
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 6: Okay, so it's Adrian Hill, right? I was told afterwards
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 6: him and The guy he ran into had a chat
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 6: about it. We're laughing about it. So if that's the
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 6: case and there's no ill will afterwards, why is he
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 6: being suspended again for a game? Like if they talked
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 6: it out, you got two grown men on the field.
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 6: Emotions are high. He gets run over. I thought it
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 6: was very unprofessional of the official to do that. Absolutely.
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 6: But suspension, if they talked it out, like right after
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 6: it happened and we're cool about it, it's supposed to
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 6: be excessive, Sean, doesn't it?
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, yes, absolutely.
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 2: And there's an article where he says he felt like
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 2: they were going to fight. You're not fighting a player.
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 6: No, that's silly. He shouldn't have said that. He said that?
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 6: That's not good.
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 1: No, sorry. That the players were going to fight. So
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: we got up and.
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 6: Oh. Yeah, it's not a great excuse. But I don't
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 6: think it's that big of a deal. I think the
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 6: suspensions feel aggressive in both those instances.
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: I feel like the NFL is not.
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 1: Usually as prisoner to the moment as everyone else is
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 1: when it comes to stuff like this they're not but
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 1: these are very reactive moves to the conversation aren't they.
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah i'm surprised i think it's a lot to do
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 6: so i think the nfl has been the best league
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 6: at avoiding social media when it comes to how the
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 6: discourse of their league goes and and how the punishments
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 6: go and just how they how they you know basically
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 6: run their league and this does feel like you sort
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 6: of have given in to the mob, right, in essence,
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 6: the online mob. So I'm with you on this. The
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 6: NFL just has never really acted this way in these instances,
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 6: and so I'm surprised they're doing it now. I really am.
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 6: There's no need to suspend these guys. No, there is.
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 1: To the world of college football, whose seat is hotter,
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 1: Deion Sanders or Kyle Whittingham?
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 6: Oof. So my Kyle Whittingham rebuttal is basically– has been this, right?
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 6: Like he's the only coach who didn't get to choose
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 6: his quarterback this off season.
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 2: We, we, I made that point yesterday when we were
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 2: talking about this, because.
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 1: That's a massive thing here. It's like the most important
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 1: thing here.
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 6: So every other coach got to keep their quarterback or
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 6: get a new one, right? So, you know, Tosh Lapoi
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 6: got JKS, you know, Nico staying with, with Bob Chesney,
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 6: everyone else got to bring in their own quarterback. He
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 6: did not. He was stuck with Bryce Underwood and very
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 6: clearly does not like Bryce Underwood as a quarterback. And
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 6: it's unfair to me to judge him. Like we, you know,
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 6: are we pretending that Colin had a coach? Like, of
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 6: course he didn't forget how to coach. Quarterback stinks. Here's
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 6: the thing.
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 1: And we know this very well. I believe this about
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 1: every coach.
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 2: We definitely know it about Kyle Whittingham. I don't think
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 2: you can overcome stinky quarterback play.
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 1: Kyle Whittingham... proved in his final year at Utah, right?
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 1: The reason he came back was to prove in his
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 1: final year at Utah was that like, I, my legacy
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 1: and who I am as a coach is not going
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 1: to be determined by stinky quarterback play and having to
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 1: go down to the fifth guy on the depth chart, right?
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 1: That whole injury situation.
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 2: And whether it was handled properly or not is a
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 2: different conversation, but that mess of not having the right
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 2: quarterback is why Kyle Whittingham was like, I'm not going
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 2: out on the sour note, a losing record.
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 1: I'm not doing it.
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 2: And then he came back and he had an 11
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 2: win season, 10 of which he coached. The 11th was
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 2: the bowl game that Morgan Scali coached, of course. And,
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 2: and that led to the Michigan opportunity. So look, I
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 2: don't think it's going well. I don't think he's doing
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 2: anything remotely perfect. I don't like the way that he
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 2: talks in the post game press conferences and compared to
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 2: what we got for 21 years from him at Utah.
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 7: Why?
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 6: Because he's more emotional than these?
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 2: Actually, I will say 20 years from what we got
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 2: at Utah. So Kyle Whittingham, for years and years and years,
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 2: he was always like, dude, we screwed it up.
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 1: Nobody cares. Injuries, our fault. Bad timeout, my fault. We
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 1: made the wrong play. Our quarterback threw an interception, my fault.
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 1: He was always that guy forever and ever. And then
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 1: last year, he blamed the BYU loss on analytics. And
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 1: then this year, he's like, you know, when they lost
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 1: to Iowa, he's like, God, Jay Hill wanted to be
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 1: in that formation. It's like, whoa. That's not you.
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 7: I think.
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 6: I just think it's... I don't know. I think he
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 6: feels it because he wasn't able to choose the quarterback
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 6: that he feels like maybe... He's just defending himself a
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 6: little bit more, right?
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 2: Which, by the way, I think is a totally valid excuse.
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 2: And we could talk all day about this. If the
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 2: money guys are the ones who decide who gets to
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 2: be your coach, but then the money guys are also like, well,
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 2: we already paid for this quarterback, so tell the coach
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 2: you've got to keep him. Then does the coach get
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 2: to go back to the money guys and be like,
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 2: you can't fire me because you stuck me with this
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 2: dumb kid?
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 6: Well, I think after this year, they'll let him choose
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 6: his quarterback as my guess. If he's still their coach,
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 6: maybe he's not.
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 6: Well, you know, the Dion thing, like guys, he's not
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 6: a good coach. He had one year where he had,
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 6: you know, his, his son, Travis Hunter. Otherwise it's very
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 6: clearly not a good coach. Dude, did you see the play?
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 6: They had eight players on the field for a field
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 6: goal block and then call timeout and had nine players
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 6: on the field. Next, next play. It's not a good coach.
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 1: Incredible.
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 6: That's fine. It's just not good. Like, Hot seat's the
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 6: wrong way to put it. I mean, he just won't
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 6: be back next year. And, you know, I think that,
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 6: you know, we talked about this at a time when
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 6: this happened. Like, sort of the selling out of the
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 6: program for Coach felt aggressive. Like, you had people that brought,
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 6: you know, that bought, like, prime sweatshirts. They say prime
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 6: on it, right, with the Colorado Buffalo logo?
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 6: Well, when he leaves, what's the value of that sweatshirt
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 6: to you? It's still the Colorado program.
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 1: At that point, it's dead stock, so the value goes up.
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 6: I guess so. But it just feels dead. He's run
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 6: through coaches and players now, and they're not a good
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 6: football team. They're just really not. He had his chance
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 6: the one year with his son and with Travis Hunter
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 6: in his second year. You guys are going to beat
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 6: them by 50 points in two weeks. You might win
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 6: this weekend by a lot of points, I feel like.
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think of Kansas?
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 6: Oh, they're very good, and you guys are off a bye.
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 6: Doesn't it feel so much better on a Saturday to
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 6: not have to stress about your team playing?
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 1: No, I hate bye weeks.
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 6: We both had byes. It was like Saturday was so stress-free.
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 1: No, but so boring.
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 6: I think we had a Thunderbats win on Saturday, too,
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 6: so we got a nice little win on Saturday. The
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 6: 6-0 Bats, baby.
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 7: All right.
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 6: You want to know something? So we play Thursday, Sean,
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 6: and I will not be there. I'm traveling back from
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 6: New York. On Thursday. And it's killing me because it's
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 6: the best team we play all year. I won't be there.
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 6: I'll be watching on the app. We have a video
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 6: stream of the game. And yesterday I was joking with Emmy.
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 6: I'll just text you my thoughts to your watch during
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 6: the game. And she's like, really? I'm like, no, Emerson.
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 6: I'm not going to text you to in the game.
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 6: I told her I'll just call pitches.
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 2: Is she tipping her pitches when there's a runner on
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 2: second base? Can they read like in the Padres-Brewers game?
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 6: How about that, dude? There had to be pitches tipped
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 6: because there's no way that Cheerio is taking a 1-2
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 6: slider after seeing 104. I was talking to one of
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 6: my producers on my bare-bed show. He's a former college
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 6: baseball player. Before he even saw all the stuff about
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 6: the tipping pitches. Yeah, they had to have it because
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 6: there's just no way you take that pitch after you've
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 6: seen four straight fastballs unless you know it's coming. And
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 6: then you saw, obviously, the Brewers' second baseman or the
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 6: runner on second signal. It's crazy that even with pitch
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 6: calm now, guys are still able to tip pitches based
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 6: on the way they hold the ball in the glove,
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 6: which is basically what he was doing, was to tell
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 6: based on how he was holding the ball in the glove.
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 6: That's crazy.
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 7: It is crazy.
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 6: A one Oh four fastball than like an 88 mile
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 6: an hour slider. It's insane, dude.
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 2: The, the trade craft in baseball is so fascinating to
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 2: me because it's like, we've played this game for 125
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 2: years and they've figured out longer than that. And they
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 2: figured out just every possible way to mess with things,
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 2: to cheat things, to like rules versus unwritten rules.
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 6: It's, Dude, we had two games this week where the
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 6: ball hit the roof, and it was playable. It was
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 6: an insane, insane rule.
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 1: Very crazy.
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 6: Like, it's crazy they can do that. And, yeah, baseball
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 6: is all about finding these little edges and whatnot. It's
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 6: so funny because for a softball, like, my steal signal
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 6: that just touched my sleeve was shocking, and all the
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 6: other team will be like, they're stealing. I'm like, you
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 6: can't find anyone out anyways, so why does it matter? Congrats,
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 6: you know we're stealing.
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 1: Good for you.
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 6: Not a single girl's been thrown out in the four
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 6: years I've been coaching at second base. So it's not
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 6: going to start now.
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 1: Um, you're fighting. Justin Herbert's are Owen for, and he's buddy.
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 2: There's one team in the last million years that's started
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 2: on four and still made the playoffs.
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 6: So it was right. The giants, the 92 chargers.
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 1: Is that true?
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think so.
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 6: Well, um, they're bad. Michael Daniel. Oh, man. Uh, You know,
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 6: Michael Daniels running the two offense for Herbert. Like, run
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 6: the Herbert offense, man. Like, what are we doing here?
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 6: You know, Herbert's not played great. Don't get me wrong,
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 6: but they do not help him out with protection, with scheme,
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 6: with drop passes. They just... Harbaugh legitimately ought to be
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 6: on the hot seat, dude.
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh is on the hot seat with the Chargers
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 2: after four games, in your opinion.
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 6: Next USC head coach? He has, like, a one-year suspension, though,
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 6: with a show clause.
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 6: But, I mean, if USC can stomach one more year
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 6: of Lincoln Riley, they can just hire Harbaugh. Let's do
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 6: one more year of Riley.
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 2: James says two more years. Maybe you just trade. Lincoln
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 2: Riley goes to the Chargers.
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 6: I want Lincoln Riley to stay forever.
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 1: That would be nice. If USC just continued to be
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 1: angry for the next two decades. They've won one.
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 6: one big game in five years. They beat Notre Dame
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 6: one of those years that he was there. Maybe his
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 6: first year. They lost Utah every time, lost Oregon every time.
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 6: They've lost every big game they've played and they've lost.
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 2: Should I buy my Super Bowl tickets yet because the
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 2: San Francisco 49ers are gone?
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 6: I mean, unless the substation takes the rest of your team.
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 1: Don't! Don't even mention it.
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 6: What do you make of the substation thing?
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 1: I am a full believer.
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 6: Of course you are. I couldn't answer that for myself.
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 1: Yes, you know.
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 2: You know exactly how I'm going to answer that question.
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 6: By the way, I know you had texted me about
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 6: what to talk about today in terms of internet trolls.
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 6: I got a text from Guy Haberman this morning. It
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 6: was so good. He screenshotted one of the tweets I
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 6: sent out with this guy. I've been harassing for weeks.
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 6: And he says, those guys don't know Jeff can't be offended.
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 6: Good luck to them. They don't know thy enemy. I'm like, yeah, buddy.
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 6: Pick on the wrong person.
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 1: They got to read a little Sun Tzu. They do
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 1: not know their enemy.
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 6: No, they do not. But the substation, of course, you
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 6: would believe in that. No surprise for that. Definitely not
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 6: the reason why. But if you don't have guys healthy. But, dude,
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 6: I mean, Shanahan is such a good coach, man. He's
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 6: just an incredible coach. He deserves to win a tight
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 6: championship at some point. It's in Los Angeles.
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 7: It's in L.A. Yeah.
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 1: I could go stay with your parents, save on the hotel.
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 6: I'm sure they would love that, actually.
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 1: And, yeah.
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 2: Tickets now are only like $ 7, 000 for Obstructed View.
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 6: Meredith's probably coming to L.A. for Super Bowl week, though.
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 7: Probably.
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh.
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 2: See, then I give my wife something to do. She
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 2: can go hang out with your wife. Although, the shopping
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 2: they did would cost me more than the Super Bowl.
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 6: About Sam. money are they going to spend?
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 1: Nevermind. Nevermind.
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 6: I was like, I was like, how much money are
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 6: they going to spend? Um, yeah, dude, it's, uh, it's no, well, she's,
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 6: she's actually been better with the shop being ish. I've been,
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 6: I've been proud of her. She spends money everywhere things,
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 6: but like, It's been better with shopping, which I do like.
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 6: All our money on vacations, though.
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 2: So I want you to, apropos of nothing, there was
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 2: a former NFL linebacker on the UFC card this last
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 2: weekend in Salt Lake City. And he had his cup
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 2: of coffee in the NFL. His name is Anthony Wint.
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 2: He fought for like 20 seconds. The guy that the
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 2: guy that he was fighting was just so scared of
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 2: how like physically overwhelming he was to beat him. He
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 2: kind of like faked and fell down. He only got
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 2: hit with one punch and just fell down and was like,
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 2: I'm done. I don't want to do this anymore.
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 6: Sounds like a fix was in.
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 2: Well, it, it almost would have looked like that except
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 2: the guy was just like, you know, he's like a
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 2: chubby 260 pound guy going up against a five foot
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 2: 11 inch, 240 pound ball of muscle.
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 1: And he was just like, Oh crap, this is crazy.
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 2: So, um, I, the reason I want you to watch
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 2: it is because like this guy was not a good
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 2: NFL player.
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 1: He was great in college.
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 2: He's the all time leading tackler in Florida international history
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 2: or something.
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 1: So he was an, he was an awesome player at
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 1: that level.
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 2: And then he couldn't really hack into the NFL, but
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 2: now it's like, he is the best athlete in the
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 2: sport of MMA. And it just is as an MMA
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 2: guy or as an NFL guy, I just want to
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 2: show you what it looks like when people with your
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 2: athleticism are Come to this other sport.
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 6: Wasn't Scooby Wright doing some of this?
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 1: He did. He trained. He never fought. Yeah. Shout out
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 1: to two-star Scoob.
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 6: I would probably be a good UFC guy.
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 2: Former NFL wide receiver in Colorado Buffalo, Michael Westbrook, actually
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 2: was a pro fighter after his NFL career, and he
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 2: had a long NFL career.
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 1: He started fighting when he was in his 30s.
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 6: Did you go to the fights?
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 1: I did.
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 6: That's interesting. That's like someone who covers football go into
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 6: a football game where they don't cover it, I guess. Yeah.
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 6: Did your wife go with you?
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 1: She did, yes.
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 6: She liked it?
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she likes fights. She enjoys fights.
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 6: I've got to tell you, Meredith loves it now.
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well.
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 4: All in.
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 1: Hopefully we're in Charlotte again next year.
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 6: When do you get the schedule again? You won't know
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 6: for a little bit, probably.
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, probably like the month before we get the event.
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 7: We're in.
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 6: Hopefully there's a VIP section this time.
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 1: I'll do my best.
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 6: My wife was so angry. I was like, does it
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 6: appear to be VIP sex? She's like, fine. We'll just
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 6: sit four rows in the cage.
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah. How dare you?
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 6: Sit four rows in the cage. Watch fights for nonstop
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 6: for four hours in a row. What do you do?
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 6: So when a fight goes one minute, right? You have
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 6: to fill the next 15. Are you guys prepared to
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 6: do that? Or do you have to make it up
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 6: on the fly?
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 2: Well, you just make it up on the fly. But
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 2: you kind of know... what you're going to talk about.
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 2: You push the next event, and then you push the
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 2: main event coming up on that same night.
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 6: Just repeating the same stuff, essentially.
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 1: For the most part, yeah.
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that makes sense.
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean, you know, the first time you
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 2: stand up, you have 30 seconds or 60 seconds to
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 2: talk about it. So if you're emptying your clip with
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 2: that 60 seconds, it means you didn't do enough prep.
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 6: Oh, no, certainly. I'm just saying, like, there were some
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 6: fights you had to do, like, 12 minutes of filibustering.
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 1: Yes, for sure.
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 1: But you know me. I can filibuster with the best
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 1: of them.
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 6: So can I. That's why we're never on time.
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 2: Just like right now, over the clock. Appreciate you joining
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 2: us as you do every single Tuesday. And I guess
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 2: we'll talk this weekend on the group chat when we're
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 2: making fun of USC.
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 6: Oh, they're losing to Penn State this weekend, by the way, too.
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 6: It's going to be a rough one.
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 2: That'll be the nail in the coffin for Lincoln Riley, right?
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 6: I can't feel like... I don't know who does Dan
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 6: root for. I can't figure it out.
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 2: He roots for every team... That was in the Pac-12.
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 6: Oh, just a pure Pac-12 guy. Interesting. Just a pure homer.
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 7: Cool.
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 1: Thanks, dude.
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 6: Appreciate you. All right, bud.
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 7: Bye.
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 6: Have a good week.
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 4: Bye.
• 2:12:26
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  Speaker 2: All right, Utah Mammoth, we got to talk about what's
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 2: next for them. It's the Sean O'Connell Show on ESPN
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  Speaker 4: You're listening to the Sean O'Connell Show, your source for
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 4: the best youth football coverage.
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  Speaker 6: Here's O.C.
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  Speaker 4: From the Murdoch Hyundai Studio of ESPN 700 at 92.1 FM.
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 2: Utah Mammoth in action tonight, part of their East Coast swing.
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 2: They're in Jersey taking on the New Jersey Devils. Puck
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 2: drops at 5 p.m. Mountain Time, so early on the
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 2: app and wherever else you're watching Utah Mammoth games. The
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 2: Devils so far are 1-1 in the regular season. They
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 2: got smashed by the Islanders 6-0. They beat the Philadelphia
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 2: Flyers 3-2. They are sort of on the same level
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 2: of preseason expectation as the Utah Mammoth. When it comes
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 2: to your betting odds, they have the exact same odds
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 2: to hoist the Stanley cup this season as the Utah
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 2: mammoth at plus 3000.
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 5: But it makes sense. They, they lost in the first
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 5: round of the playoffs too, right? Or did they make
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 5: the playoffs last year? I'm going to have to look
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 5: that either just missed it or lost in the first
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 5: round too. Maybe they had some nice off season additions
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 5: like the mammoth did, by the way, Jack Hughes, that
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 5: toothless previously toothless wonder American hero. That's his team, New
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 5: Jersey devils. So that, So we're going to take down
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 5: an American hero tonight.
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know how much I love Jack Hughes because
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 2: he got his teeth fixed.
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 2: I wanted him to keep it that way forever so
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 2: we could always look at him and remember the glorious
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 2: day that USA beat Canada for the gold medal.
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 1: But yeah, they've got Hughes. They've got Nick Bugstad.
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 2: They've got a pretty solid top line young team.
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 1: They've got.
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 2: Like three guys on this team that are over 30
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 2: years old. There's just not, I guess there's a few
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 2: more than that, but it's a, it's a young team.
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 2: And this Utah mammoth squad, if you, if you're going
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 2: to be what we think you're going to be this year,
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 2: you got to keep the goal scoring and the effective
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 2: play on the road. You got to be good on
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 2: with your special teams on the road. More trade talks,
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 2: by the way, for the Utah mammoth, as we, we,
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 2: we discussed this with, With Tom Callahan, we discussed this
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 2: with Adrian Denny. Anytime that there's a player available, anytime
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 2: that there's a player request, a trade request or something
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 2: like that, the Utah Mammoth are going to be involved
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 2: in that conversation because people.
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 1: Are like, yeah, they're a player away.
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 2: They're a, they're a, defenseman away or their backup goaltender
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 2: away or whatever. They've got enough, you know, in baseball,
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 2: you'd call it farm talent, right?
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 1: Talent in the farm system. I'm not sure. Is it
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 1: the barn system in hockey? Cause they're hockey barns.
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 5: But in the, in the minor leagues, they got enough
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 5: particularly goal scoring talent to where teams are like, yeah,
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 5: we can, we'd talk to you about a trade. Now
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 5: the question is, And that's why Bill Armstrong gets paid
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 5: the big bucks is like, which one, which of these
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 5: players that you have waiting in the wings, TJ Ginla,
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 5: et cetera, are you willing to part for, and which
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 5: player are you willing to part, part with those players for, right?
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 5: So this is, that's the complicated part of this because
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 5: you could very quickly go from a team that has
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 5: an embarrassment of riches with young players waiting in the
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 5: wings to a team that has no assets and, And
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 5: maybe the guys you traded for don't give you the
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 5: return you hope they would. And now you're all of
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 5: a sudden in a tough spot as a franchise. So
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 5: that's why these, these are important. We'll see what happens.
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 1: It's now Simon Edmond Edmondson, who's asking for a trade. Okay.
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 2: So right now the, who's he with the red wings
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 2: have red wings, Dylan Larkin and Simon Edmondson, both asking
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 2: for trades to get out of Detroit. So not an
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 2: ideal situation, by the way, Larkin there, he's expecting him
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 2: to suit up and play, even though he requested a trade, which.
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 1: Complicated in its own right. Absolutely.
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 2: But Utah mammoth back in action, five 30 puck drop.
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 2: And that's, that's your live sports for tonight because it's
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 2: a Tuesday. So do you got MLB playoffs? You also
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 2: have Major League Baseball playoffs. You can listen to those
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 2: right here on ESPN 700, 92.1 FM, after the Morgan
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 2: Scali Coaches Show.
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 5: That's live sports, too, Morgan Scali Coaches Show.
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 1: Don't you worry about that. So we've got Ethan Bay
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 1: and Noah Benny as the guests on the show?
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Ethan Bay, Noah Benny, along with, of course, the coach,
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 5: and Bill and Sly have been hosting the Coaches Show
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 5: together the last few weeks. So I expect that to
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 5: be the case, too. Cool little change they've done there. Uh,
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 5: inviting the color analysts this year, it's Stevenson Sylvester. I
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 5: got our guy. Sly is part of that adds, I
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 5: think to the show a little bit.
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 1: I said, private equity money, dog. That's what happens.
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 2: Brand partners brings in with a cash infusion and you
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  Speaker 2: can afford sly on the coach's show.
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 1: They're like, Hey, uh, it goes slides.
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 5: Like give me a little extra cash here and I'll,
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 5: and I'll do a little extra work. They're like, no
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 5: problem guy. Uh, By the way, with baseball, 4 o'clock
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 5: is the Dodgers-Braves, which is probably the only really interesting,
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 5: definitely the only competitive division series left right now. All
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 5: the other ones are 2-0, and there might be a
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 5: few sweeps there. This one's a 1-1, and it's the
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 5: Braves maybe taking down the mighty... back-to-back defending champion Dodgers
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 5: that have everyone in baseball that are not Dodgers fans upset.
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 5: So this there, they could be doing God's work, taking
• 2:20:26
  Speaker 5: down the Dodgers.
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 2: I never thought in my entire life as a Minnesota
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 2: twins fan, I would find affection for the Braves.
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 2: But if you are dethroning the evil empire, if you
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 2: are knocking down the death star, that is the Los
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 2: Angeles Dodgers. Then I guess Tom Hawk chop for all
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 2: of us.
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely.
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 5: And by the way, I've told you, I also don't
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 5: have an affection for the, for the Braves. I don't
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 5: have as direct a reason as you do. I just
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 5: never liked him, but I find myself rooting for.
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 7: Him right now.
• 2:20:59
  Speaker 2: Although Dale Murphy makes you kind of like the Braves
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 2: a little bit.
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 7: Absolutely.
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 2: If you're, if you go to the game and a
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 2: Braves out Braves fan gear tonight, James, are you doing
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 2: the chop or are you worried about that? Because you're
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 2: in LA and the reaction in LA to anything that
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 2: is like an antiquated sports chant is, That may be
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 2: insensitive in that manner. Feels like LA is the wrong
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 2: place to do that kind of stuff in Atlanta. They
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 2: get away with it. The home home field, you know,
• 2:21:26
  Speaker 2: they're doing the full chant.
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 1: They're doing the Tomahawk motion.
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 5: Also just doing that on the road is probably dangerous anyway,
• 2:21:33
  Speaker 5: no matter where it is. I have never liked the
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 5: chop and it's not, for the incent culturally insensitive reasons necessarily.
• 2:21:43
  Speaker 1: It's just, I just think it's annoying.
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 5: So I don't think I, that's probably one of the
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 5: reasons why I don't like the braves or the chiefs
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 5: is like, just.
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 1: Whatever with that.
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 5: But so I probably wouldn't be doing the chop, but
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 5: if I were at, a fan of the team and
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 5: I liked it hypothetically. I mean, why not do it
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 5: if you're winning?
• 2:22:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to do it.
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 2: Darren on the text line, the resident BYU fan says
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 2: he's a lifelong Dodger fan, grew up in Southern California,
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 2: worried about the next two games. Darren, we're happy that
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 2: you listened to the show. We appreciate you weighing in
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 2: on the show. You're a beloved and valued member of
• 2:22:20
  Speaker 2: the Sean O'Connell show community. But if you're a Dodger fan,
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 2: we're rooting against you right now.
• 2:22:25
  Speaker 1: Okay. And he's a BYU fan. You already got... You
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 1: already got your championships, dude.
• 2:22:31
  Speaker 2: You now have a decade plus where everyone can root
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 2: against you and make you miserable on a conversational standpoint
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 2: because not only do you have the championships, but you
• 2:22:43
  Speaker 2: bought the championships. And the rest of baseball and the
• 2:22:46
  Speaker 2: rest of us in the mid-major market world are just like, yeah,
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 2: we can't abide by that.
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 1: We don't like that. But also, you know.
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 2: Being a BYU Dodger fan here on ESPN 700, I
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 2: appreciate your willingness to cross these enemy lines because, man,
• 2:23:08
  Speaker 2: you're not going to get Dodger love here, and your
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 2: BYU love is going to be pretty limited. But we
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 2: do love you, Darren. Thanks for the text.
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 5: It's not necessarily an anti ESPN 700 thing. The Dodgers
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 5: are an anti Dodger thing here at ESPN 700. It's
• 2:23:24
  Speaker 5: just the fact that everyone who is a producer or
• 2:23:28
  Speaker 5: a host of a radio show happens to hate the Dodgers.
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 2: I am going to say that it is the expressed
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 2: opinion of ESPN 700 and Broadway media that the Dodgers.
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 7: Show.
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 1: Hey, Ohtani cheated.
• 2:23:41
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 2:23:41
  Speaker 1: That's what we need to know. That is, we will
• 2:23:44
  Speaker 1: close it out next on the Sean O'Connell show with,
• 2:23:46
  Speaker 1: do we have a giveaway again today?
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 2: Oh, we got two tickets to skillet. That's coming to
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  Speaker 2: the union on October 23rd. Before I get out of
• 2:23:58
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  Speaker 1: All right, we'll give away some tickets. Close it out
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  Speaker 1: next on ESPN 700 and 92.1 FM. Don't stop believing.
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  Speaker 1: Never saw it.
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  Speaker 8: Oh, it's so good. They just put Jesus in place
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  Speaker 8: of a bunch of lyrics. It's like, instead of I
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  Speaker 6: Okay. Cartman was the lead singer. Were you ever a
• 2:27:12
  Speaker 6: South Park guy at all?
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  Speaker 5: No.
• 2:27:14
  Speaker 10: What?
• 2:27:15
  Speaker 6: Simpsons?
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  Speaker 7: No.
• 2:27:17
  Speaker 8: Oh, so you're like above the... Like, it's a cartoon,
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  Speaker 8: so it's lesser than... No, I actually love cartoons.
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  Speaker 2: I was not allowed to watch The Simpsons, and we
• 2:27:25
  Speaker 2: didn't have cable, so you can't get South Park, so.
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 8: I was too late to all those parties. Like you,
• 2:27:31
  Speaker 8: I was also not allowed to watch The Simpsons. I
• 2:27:34
  Speaker 8: was not allowed to watch many things.
• 2:27:36
  Speaker 1: You're a rebellious person.
• 2:27:38
  Speaker 8: If watching The Simpsons... makes me rebellious, sign me up.
• 2:27:42
  Speaker 8: What was that Ed O'Neill show, Love and Marriage? Married
• 2:27:46
  Speaker 8: with Children.
• 2:27:47
  Speaker 1: Also not allowed to watch that.
• 2:27:48
  Speaker 8: Not allowed to watch that. We could watch Charles in Charge.
• 2:27:53
  Speaker 8: Shout out Scott Bale. Scott Bale, what's up? If you're listening,
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  Speaker 8: we know that you are. Um, big say by the
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  Speaker 7: Of course.
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  Speaker 6: Okay.
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  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 2:28:02
  Speaker 8: The Zach attack. I'll never forget when Jesse was addicted
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 8: to caffeine pills. It was a tough one for all
• 2:28:08
  Speaker 8: of us. It was actually, that's a great episode.
• 2:28:11
  Speaker 1: Shout out Lark Voorhees.
• 2:28:12
  Speaker 6: We miss you.
• 2:28:14
  Speaker 2: Um, my parents were very hilarious about like the Simpsons was,
• 2:28:19
  Speaker 2: you couldn't watch the Simpsons when family guy became a thing.
• 2:28:22
  Speaker 2: You're not allowed to turn that on. Didn't have cables.
• 2:28:25
  Speaker 2: So South park was not really, In the equation. Married
• 2:28:28
  Speaker 2: with children, absolutely not. Roseanne, no way.
• 2:28:32
  Speaker 6: Same.
• 2:28:33
  Speaker 1: But NYPD Blue? I was watching that when I was
• 2:28:36
  Speaker 1: in like fifth grade.
• 2:28:37
  Speaker 8: There's an argument to be made that's ten times worse.
• 2:28:40
  Speaker 1: There's not an argument. It definitely is. There's no argument
• 2:28:43
  Speaker 1: at all.
• 2:28:44
  Speaker 6: It's a.
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 1: It's like a gritty New York drama.
• 2:28:48
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:28:49
  Speaker 1: It was, they had, it had everything in there.
• 2:28:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:28:51
  Speaker 8: That was one of my dad's violence. Still to this day.
• 2:28:54
  Speaker 8: Big Dave likes to watch a little, he loves the
• 2:28:56
  Speaker 8: cop shows.
• 2:28:57
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 2:28:58
  Speaker 1: Shout out Jimmy Smith's good poll.
• 2:29:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:29:01
  Speaker 8: Trying to think what else we were not allowed to
• 2:29:03
  Speaker 8: watch a lot of different things. In fact, remember I, uh,
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 8: I borrowed my friends, dumb and dumber, dumber DVD.
• 2:29:12
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 2:29:13
  Speaker 8: My mom snapped it in half. We were not allowed
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  Speaker 8: to watch Dumb and Dumber.
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  Speaker 1: No Dumb and Dumber. Okay.
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  Speaker 8: Do you remember the trend a number of years ago? Like,
• 2:29:21
  Speaker 8: so the absolute vodka, they did like absolute basketball and absolute.
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  Speaker 8: There were all these t-shirts and they were like a
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 8: really cool thing. I came home with an absolute basketball t-shirt.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 8: Now that didn't last.
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  Speaker 1: Of course.
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  Speaker 8: Because I wasn't doing laundry at the age of 14.
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  Speaker 8: So my mother was in charge of that. There were
• 2:29:40
  Speaker 8: some other things that were found.
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  Speaker 1: Shut up.
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  Speaker 2: Shout out to you for not having to do your
• 2:29:44
  Speaker 2: own laundry at age 14.
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  Speaker 8: You had to do your own laundry at age 14?
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  Speaker 2: My older brother complained because my mom shrunk a sweater
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  Speaker 2: one time when he was 14.
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  Speaker 1: So I had to start doing laundry at like 11.
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  Speaker 1: Are you serious?
• 2:29:57
  Speaker 2: Because my mom was just like, oh, you guys don't
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  Speaker 2: like how I do the laundry? Fine, you're doing your own.
• 2:30:01
  Speaker 2: I was like, I don't mind how you do the laundry.
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  Speaker 8: I don't want to do it.
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  Speaker 1: That was him. That was him. He's the one who
• 2:30:06
  Speaker 1: complained about the sweater getting shrunk. I don't wear sweaters.
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  Speaker 8: Respect to your mother for drawing that boundary. Oh, she
• 2:30:12
  Speaker 8: was hardcore about that stuff. So you started doing your
• 2:30:16
  Speaker 8: own laundry at age 11?
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  Speaker 1: I might have been 10, yeah. Did you need any instruction,
• 2:30:20
  Speaker 1: or was she like, just go figure it out? Yeah,
• 2:30:22
  Speaker 1: I think it was more just figure it out. I
• 2:30:23
  Speaker 1: probably overused the laundry soap. I probably ruined a bunch
• 2:30:28
  Speaker 1: of clothes doing it, but you know.
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  Speaker 8: Here's a little secret for folk out there. Are you
• 2:30:32
  Speaker 8: still separating whites and colors? There's no need to do that. Like,
• 2:30:37
  Speaker 8: literally none.
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  Speaker 7: What?
• 2:30:38
  Speaker 1: Okay, hot take. It's true. That's a hot take.
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  Speaker 8: I have been washing whites with colors for years, and
• 2:30:45
  Speaker 8: nothing has ever happened. I feel like we were lied
• 2:30:47
  Speaker 8: to as kids.
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  Speaker 6: No.
• 2:30:48
  Speaker 1: Can I tell you something?
• 2:30:50
  Speaker 2: Every time I get something new that's white... I, for months,
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  Speaker 2: I will keep it segregated. I will wash it only
• 2:31:00
  Speaker 2: with like maybe grays and pastels, but never real colors.
• 2:31:04
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 2:31:05
  Speaker 2: And then there's always that one fateful day where you
• 2:31:08
  Speaker 2: just need to wash it and you just don't care.
• 2:31:10
  Speaker 1: And you're like, whatever. And then it comes out dingy
• 2:31:13
  Speaker 1: or it comes out pinkish or it comes out whatever
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  Speaker 1: every single time. No chance. You're lying.
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  Speaker 8: No, I am telling you the absolute truth. I think
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 8: you're colorblind. You, I'm not, you started doing laundry. At 10.
• 2:31:26
  Speaker 8: But let's be clear. I've been doing laundry now for
• 2:31:31
  Speaker 8: basically 25 years. Spence has been doing laundry for months now.
• 2:31:35
  Speaker 8: Is it Nate Bargatze who has the whole, like, I
• 2:31:37
  Speaker 8: do my own laundry. Have you seen that? He's standing
• 2:31:40
  Speaker 8: up where he's like. I haven't seen that one. So
• 2:31:42
  Speaker 8: Bargatze has this hilarious bit where he was preparing, you know,
• 2:31:46
  Speaker 8: he and his wife were in a fight. And he
• 2:31:48
  Speaker 8: was preparing to, like, lay down the hammer by saying
• 2:31:51
  Speaker 8: to her out loud, I do my own laundry. Which,
• 2:31:54
  Speaker 8: of course, did not go well. When you say that
• 2:31:56
  Speaker 8: to your wife, you do your own laundry to this day?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:32:00
  Speaker 1: Seriously?
• 2:32:01
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 2:32:04
  Speaker 8: So does Kendall do her own laundry or do you
• 2:32:07
  Speaker 8: do everybody's laundry?
• 2:32:08
  Speaker 1: I do the laundry for the house.
• 2:32:09
  Speaker 4: All the girls?
• 2:32:10
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 2:32:11
  Speaker 8: Your wife?
• 2:32:12
  Speaker 6: Do you cook?
• 2:32:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:32:15
  Speaker 8: I feel like I shouldn't say what's on my mind
• 2:32:17
  Speaker 8: right now.
• 2:32:18
  Speaker 7: Don't.
• 2:32:18
  Speaker 8: I'm not going to.
• 2:32:19
  Speaker 7: Don't.
• 2:32:21
  Speaker 1: I respect that.
• 2:32:21
  Speaker 8: Do you share.
• 2:32:23
  Speaker 1: The load at all? Yeah, yeah.
• 2:32:25
  Speaker 2: I would say it's like laundry is probably like 70-30.
• 2:32:29
  Speaker 2: Dishes are 99-1.
• 2:32:32
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 2:32:34
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm not good. I don't do the girl's
• 2:32:38
  Speaker 1: hair very much.
• 2:32:39
  Speaker 8: That's probably good. Leave that in Kendall's hands.
• 2:32:41
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 2:32:42
  Speaker 8: So is it more of like you see something that
• 2:32:44
  Speaker 8: needs to be done and you just do it? Yeah, that's... See,
• 2:32:47
  Speaker 8: I'm the same way. And I'm worse as I age. Like,
• 2:32:50
  Speaker 8: I can't leave a dish in the sink. Cannot leave
• 2:32:53
  Speaker 8: my bed unmade. And I'm not, like, OCD about this stuff.
• 2:32:57
  Speaker 8: But I like a good clean. There's nothing better than
• 2:33:01
  Speaker 8: clean sheets, dude. I don't know that I've ever made
• 2:33:03
  Speaker 8: my bed in my entire life.
• 2:33:06
  Speaker 4: One time.
• 2:33:07
  Speaker 2: No, I probably have one time. I don't make my bed.
• 2:33:09
  Speaker 2: I don't, like, the bed is unmade. I'm just going
• 2:33:13
  Speaker 2: to get back in it and mess it up anyway.
• 2:33:15
  Speaker 1: I don't need a made bed.
• 2:33:17
  Speaker 8: So my man was crushing laundry at 10, yet we
• 2:33:20
  Speaker 8: can't make our bed.
• 2:33:20
  Speaker 7: No, no.
• 2:33:22
  Speaker 8: Were you ever asked to make your bed?
• 2:33:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah, for sure.
• 2:33:24
  Speaker 8: And you're just like, no.
• 2:33:25
  Speaker 1: I skirted those rules all the time.
• 2:33:27
  Speaker 8: I don't have time to make my bed. I have
• 2:33:29
  Speaker 8: to do my laundry.
• 2:33:29
  Speaker 1: I'm doing laundry right now. Fair enough. Can't make my bed.
• 2:33:32
  Speaker 7: Fair enough.
• 2:33:32
  Speaker 8: No, I respect the endeavor. Can I follow up? Is
• 2:33:37
  Speaker 8: she helping out?
• 2:33:39
  Speaker 6: Are we good?
• 2:33:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, great.
• 2:33:40
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 2:33:41
  Speaker 7: Wonderful.
• 2:33:42
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:33:43
  Speaker 8: I just know you have a lot on your plate.
• 2:33:46
  Speaker 2: But laundry is one of those things where it's just
• 2:33:48
  Speaker 2: like you just throw it in, right?
• 2:33:51
  Speaker 1: And then you transfer the load.
• 2:33:53
  Speaker 2: And then you let the clean clothes pile up until
• 2:33:56
  Speaker 2: they're about human height.
• 2:33:58
  Speaker 6: Sure.
• 2:33:59
  Speaker 2: And then when the kids are in bed one day,
• 2:34:02
  Speaker 2: you just throw them all on the kitchen table and
• 2:34:05
  Speaker 2: you just fold them while you listen to a podcast
• 2:34:07
  Speaker 2: or you.
• 2:34:07
  Speaker 1: Watch a show.
• 2:34:08
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it's not taxing work.
• 2:34:09
  Speaker 2: And then it takes another three or four days before
• 2:34:12
  Speaker 2: they actually migrate to From folded on the table to
• 2:34:16
  Speaker 2: the drawers.
• 2:34:18
  Speaker 1: And by then, it's time to do laundry again.
• 2:34:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah, okay.
• 2:34:21
  Speaker 8: And with three girls and apparently a wife who's participating here,
• 2:34:25
  Speaker 8: that's a lot more laundry than I have.
• 2:34:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:34:27
  Speaker 8: So are we talking once a week? How often are
• 2:34:31
  Speaker 8: you doing laundry?
• 2:34:32
  Speaker 1: What do you mean, once a week? You're doing laundry
• 2:34:34
  Speaker 1: every day when you have three little kids. You do
• 2:34:36
  Speaker 1: laundry daily. There's a load of laundry every single day,
• 2:34:39
  Speaker 1: at least.
• 2:34:40
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 2:34:41
  Speaker 2: And that's only for three kids. I got friends with
• 2:34:43
  Speaker 2: six kids. You're doing multiple loads a day. Yeah, well, again,
• 2:34:48
  Speaker 2: one child, now grown, self-sufficient. I don't have frame of
• 2:34:53
  Speaker 2: reference for your day-to-day life.
• 2:34:55
  Speaker 1: It's fine.
• 2:34:56
  Speaker 8: I was the oldest of six, so I remember what
• 2:34:58
  Speaker 8: the chaos is like.
• 2:34:59
  Speaker 2: You have an empty nest and an empty washing machine.
• 2:35:02
  Speaker 8: It's probably why I enjoy solitude the way that I do.
• 2:35:07
  Speaker 8: And I'm fine being alone, doing my thing. Cause I
• 2:35:10
  Speaker 8: was raised in chaos. We were in the stuff.
• 2:35:13
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 2:35:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:35:14
  Speaker 8: Five kids at one point, 11 or under. And now
• 2:35:18
  Speaker 8: that I'm thinking back, you're right. I feel like laundry
• 2:35:20
  Speaker 8: is being done all the time.
• 2:35:21
  Speaker 1: Ask your mom how many loads of laundry she did
• 2:35:24
  Speaker 1: a week when you guys were all living at home.
• 2:35:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:35:26
  Speaker 8: She probably, yeah.
• 2:35:27
  Speaker 1: A thousand.
• 2:35:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 2:35:28
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 2:35:29
  Speaker 8: Well, respect, uh, for your, uh, effort, uh, in the
• 2:35:35
  Speaker 8: relationship and as a father that's willing to do all
• 2:35:38
  Speaker 8: the things.
• 2:35:38
  Speaker 1: It's the great stuff, man.
• 2:35:40
  Speaker 8: Kendall just helped out a little bit.
• 2:35:42
  Speaker 1: It's the stuff of life.
• 2:35:43
  Speaker 2: That is not me, baby. Spencer said that. You help plenty,
• 2:35:50
  Speaker 2: as much as I need you to. Hey, you keep
• 2:35:51
  Speaker 2: doing what you're doing. Don't look over here for any
• 2:35:53
  Speaker 2: answers with that stuff.
• 2:35:54
  Speaker 8: I'll tell you that much.
• 2:35:55
  Speaker 2: Stay tuned for The Drive. Thanks for listening to The
• 2:35:58
  Speaker 2: Sean O'Connell Show. We'll do it again tomorrow on ESPN
• 2:36:00
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