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Archetypal Aliens & UFOs | Ryan Gable · Ryder Lee

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Brian Gable, It's good to see you, my friend. It's a slattery
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person, bro, it's the first time we've seen each other person being friends.
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Yeah. Well we met last year here, which was very enlightening experience,
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and we've kind of just headed off since then. So appreciate you being
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here. Appreciate you doing this in person. It's always fun doing these in
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person. I feel like it's way more personal. You actually get face to
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face with the person, you can talk to them. You know. Well,
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I think all the shows we've done, of all the shows I do
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minor, all audio, yours is the only show I've done video, So
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now we get to do video in person, video on video, video,
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and video. Yeah. So I've been kind of wandering around and trying to
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get the feel for people and what they are thinking and what they believe.
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And I just had Andrew Collins on and he's talking about this plasma and that
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plasma maybe the calls for a lot of what people are experiencing. You also
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brought up Jacques Vala and uh and what's the other guy Carl Young and his
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work and how you know, it's about the perception of the mind and how
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things have evolved and I think people have a more grounded outlook of the phenomenon.
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Even since last year. Have you seen that kind of that grounded outlook
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that people are starting to have evolving the phenomenon. I've not experienced it too
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directly, but I know that there are a handful of mean speakers at Contact
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in the desert, A handful and some other people that maybe I know of
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but I don't know them personally, have started to realize that it's much more
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than a nuts and bolts phenomenon. It's much more than something that can be
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confined to an abduction story. These anecdotal stories that people tell, but it
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doesn't mean that they're not true in some capacity, right, But I think
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that there has been a shift in regard to the whole phenomenon, which is,
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when I say a whole, it's a lot more than just there's a
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light in the sky. It's a lot more than just I was laying in
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bed at night and I felt like I got levitated out of my bed and
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maybe I lost some time. It's much more complicated than that. There's a
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panel this morning with a bunch of people talking about and Clyde Lewis had asked
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them about is this a scientific issue, is this a religious issue? Is
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it a military issue? I think two or three out of the six panelists
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said that it's all three, and I was hoping someone would say it's also
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a psychological issue, a sociological issue, a cultural issue. I mean,
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it's it's virtually and everything issue, right. I think it encompasses virtually every
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field of study and fields of study that we don't even investigate much, which
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would I think include the field of plasma research, because there's very little that
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has I think that has been done in that field. A couple of studies
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here or there, a few people that have referenced it, but that's an
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emerging thing that I think we'll see more of an uphology in the coming years,
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is plasma research. I'm more interested in the psychology, the archetypes and
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symbols and all of that, but I think plasma is probably the future for
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a lot of UFO themed events. Yeah, so, how long can we
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keep going on with the same but roswell, Yeah, we can't keep up
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on the same thing over and over and over again. There has to be
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some more logical and critical thinking explanations that are going to have to come to
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light. Now I've been saying for a long time, I am now that
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is going to shift into USOS, like they're going to start talking about underwater
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submergible objects and very few people listen to me. But now people are starting
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to talk about it now. I was talking about this last year, like
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that's the direction it's going to go, because we got all this outer space
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stuff and all the extra treasturals coming from But in order to switch that and
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change it to something that's kind of more realistic but also kind of out there
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at the same time, you know, we'll make it that they're from here,
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that they've always been here, which is another kind of common motif,
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but it's similar enough to where people can jump on board with that because they've
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heard that for a really long time, that they've always been here, that
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that they've been here for thousands and have been here a very long time.
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Take a line right from the X Files. Yeah, well, you know,
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I mean also historically, I mean we didn't humans. What I mean
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by we humans didn't have the same kind of let's say water technology in the
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past that we do today. I mean, there were obviously were boats and
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maybe even some version of a submarine and some capacity in some cultures at least
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a design for that or something like that, but obviously nothing like we have
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today. So if you weren't in those environments, then you weren't going to
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be picking those things up. You weren't going to be seeing them like the
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military picks up today, whether that's on submarines or navy vessels. I mean,
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there are records. I think it was Christopher Columbus. There's a record
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in his diary of seeing strange lights come out of the water, So that's
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been recorded for several hundred years as well a USO's I think you told me.
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You said you thought usos were going to be a bigger thing, So
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probably see more USO stuff. We'll probably see more plasma stuff. In terms
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of what's coming for the future, I mean I have that from looking glass
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technology. I know that for a fact that's coming. That technology. Well,
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I got abducted. You know how I told you about that? Yeah?
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Yeah, did they implant the looking glass technology into your heads? Right
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here? Yeah, right right into the third eye. I'm sure you're want
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to keep this more serious. On the serious note, though, please continue.
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That's what happens when we get together. Yeah, the I just think
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that it's interesting that the shift because you know, like back in the day,
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it was you know, we all we all know the story of Kenneth
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Arnold and how he'd never seen a flying saucer. He didn't he didn't describe
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the shape of the craft as a flying saucer, but that took on a
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life of its own. It became this frenzy topic that just developed and pretty
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soon everyone was seeing flying saucers. Anything that they said, anything that they
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saw strange in the sky, they were like, that was a flying saucer,
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even though it wasn't shaped like that didn't look like a flying saucer.
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It is funny because he had the way that it was, the way that
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he described what he saw is now what people begin began to see. So
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what people were seeing back after his sighting wasn't necessarily the thing he saw,
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which was a chevron triangular type or several triangular type chevron craft. They're seeing
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after that, citing that he had. They're starting to see things that are
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the description of what the media said that Kenneth Arnold saw, the description of
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how it moved became the definition of the object itself, which that alone,
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I think is you could write a whole book on that, I think,
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to really explain what the phenomenon is and where where it came from, how
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it developed in more modern times. And that's the thing with Roswell two in
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nineteen forty seven. A lot of obviously the euphological community is focused on Roswell.
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I've been to. Roswell's a fun place. I don't have anything against
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it. I think it's a really fun event to go to, and they
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have the anniversary. It's obviously good for tourism. It's part of the UFO
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mythos and the history, but it's also sort of you only if you start
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there and think that that's where everything begins, then you're missing at the base
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minimum, you're missing foo fighters and ghost rockets from the previous decade and a
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half during World War Two, and those are very significant things that play more
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into the psychology of what the UFO phenomena is. And by psychology I mean
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the stressors of World War two, just like during the Cold War, the
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stressors of nuclear war, and people began to see more and more of these
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objects, not only just in the sky, but they saw them over nuclear
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facilities. Top secret nuclear facilities. I mean, I personally don't necessarily know.
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I don't know how you feel about this. I don't necessarily believe that
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there's any like EB type extraterrestrial biological entity type intelligence behind that. I think
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that it might be a projection of our own unconscious a fear of nuclear weapons
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and self destruction, just like we've heard a lot at this conference. I've
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heard this all weekend in panels. I've heard discussions. I've heard people ask
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questions to speakers, what can the aliens do to save us from climate change?
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Or I've heard people suggest the aliens are going to save us from climate
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change. And that's an old motif too. You know, people that saw
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aliens or UFOs or had an interaction with them thirty forty, fifty sixty years
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ago, we're saying the same thing. What did the aliens say to you?
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They said to stop polluting the planet. It's the same exact story over
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and over and over again. And we've always had stresses in society and things
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that stress and bend society to the branking point, whether it's a mass of
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war or it's the threat of nuclear annihilation, where you get a combination of
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all that today, especially with the media focus and attention. Because everybody has
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phones, they can look at it twenty four hours a day, so that
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leaves the door open for people to I don't mean literally hallucinate, but in
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a sense, almost like a psychic hallucination. We're looking for something to save
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us, something externally and maybe what we're seeing and witnessing in some cases,
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not all cases, but is sort of a projection of our own fears,
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or projection of our own desires, the projection of things that humans very much
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worry about. I don't know if it's really aliens that are worried about us
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too much. I think we're worried about ourselves and that projects outward into the
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external world and we create that. I agree absolutely, and that it gives
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you the inside of the consciousness and how people were feeling after World War Two.
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World War two was one of the biggest wars that the United States was
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ever involved with. I mean a lot of people died during that time,
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a lot of people recognized fearing for their lives during that time, and especially
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with the V two rocket program, I mean you had new technologies and rockets
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raining down out of the sky and people were more focused on the sky and
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then you look up looking for rockets or looking for things above ea. During
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war, there's new technologies, like the Germans had the in what the Emmy
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city was the Messerschmid sixty two, that like a fighter jet, not a
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propeller plane that was It wasn't I don't think it was mass produced. But
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they had this fighter jet technology jet engine instead of a propeller plane, and
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that's completely different. Nobody had ever seen something like that before. I mean
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that in and of itself as alien. I think that's why a lot of
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people say, well, the Germans must have gotten technology from the UFOs or
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from the aliens, and we sort of dismissed the fact that humans can develop
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really advanced technologies. It doesn't have to be aliens. To me, that
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doesn't really make a lot of sense personally, but that's a separate thing,
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I think. Yeah. And then we get into the Cold War, just
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like you mentioned, and everyone worried about nuclear war, and then we have
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all these sightings of you know, these objects over nuclear sites, you know,
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and that's a self conscious projection of people's fears over the real threat of
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nuclear war. If you think about it, what are those objects? Usually
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they're balls of light, just like foo fire big balls of light, and
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the balls of light traditionally are like a large, you know, illuminated sphere.
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That's something that throughout all of human history has been an idea like has
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been the symbol of the human soul or a symbol of the world soul,
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like in alchemical texts, alchemical treatises, things like that you find that are
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like illuminated manuscripts, any type of thing like that, you find references to
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the world's soul. You find references to the human soul. And how it's
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this illuminated ball. Not today we call that like orbs call it UFOs,
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we call it even maybe ball lightning or you know, Saint Elmo's fire,
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and a physics or scientific sense. So there's definitely a physics and scientific explanation
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for it, but just the motif of it and the archetype of that illuminated
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ball being kind of like a soul or kind of like an intelligence. And
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it would make sense that it's not a mechanical object that's flying to a missiles
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like a nuclear missile side maybe, but I don't think that makes as much
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sense as humans collectively creating these kinds of things during times of stress, especially.
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I mean, I would assume that it's not just that it's during the
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Cold War, but you're working at a very sensitive nuclear installation, knowing that
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at any moment you might be turning the keys. I mean, I can't
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imagine that that's not at stressful job on top of everything else. That was
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definitely a psychologically draining job being in that in the middle of nowhere. But
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that's the type of excuse that people use for why weren't these craft around before
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the fifties, you know what, I mean, why were we having these
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sightings before World War Two? And they're like, oh, well, it
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was because we dropped the nuclear bomb and Hiroshima and Nagasaki that the aliens from
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off the planet became interested in us and they wanted to come and make sure
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we don't blow ourselves up. Which is a sort of applause explanation if you
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believe in the extraterrestrial hypothesis. I mean, it's a pretty good excuse,
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right, but it doesn't really hold too much weight when you think about the
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psychological implications of it. The trauma of war, the trauma of everyone being
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on edge, the fear from the media, the fear from the what's going
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to happen next? You know, and what kind of other war? Are
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we safe in our own homes? Because I'm pretty sure that back in the
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day they would do nuclear in schools. Yeah, duck and cover. They
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would be like, yeah, they would have like whole programs that was.
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And then you're scaring the children, right, get under under the kindling,
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yeah, you know, for the bomb to go off. Right. And
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also during during i mean during the late fifties, early sixties into the Apollo
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years, what do we talk about? We talked about going to the moon?
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Right, and so what is that? That's humans, new technologies invading
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another planetary body, a moonment in our solar system. And I think thanks
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in part to the nineteen fifty two Robertson Panel report, but also because of
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the cultural and historical and the just the human significance of going to the moon,
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whether you believe that or not, just the idea of that, I
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mean, that made its way into pop culture in the sense of having beans,
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humanoid type beans in new technologies that we've never seen that are advanced coming
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and invading our planet. As we got ready with new technologies to go and
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invade another world. Those two things they parallel each other, yes, yes,
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yea. And also back to what you were saying just a moment ago
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again, if you just started, you begin at roswell and you at base
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minimum miss Foo fighters and things like ghost rockets back in the forties and late
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thirties, mostly in the forties, and also the Battle of Los Angeles in
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the early forties too, because that object was ethech Like, when was that
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forty two or forty three? It was early forty three, I believe off
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the top of my head, I believe it was early forty three. I
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think it was February. That was a really interesting event, the Battle of
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La But I'm pretty sure that there were reports because they fired at that craft
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in fourteen hundred rounds, I think yeah, And there were reports that they
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were hearing like the shells the bullets were like bouncing off the coorp just going
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through it almost like well I read reports about that almost like it was,
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and I talked about this in my one of my new books. It's almost
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like if the object was Ethrek like, it was almost like almost like an
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air spirit. It just goes right through it, which is very similar.
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There's a military report from nineteen off the top of my head, I think
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it was nineteen forty three as well, somewhere around there, maybe later from
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Schweinfert, Germany. I don't know if we ever talked about this one.
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They were US military planes flying over Schweinfurt and they ca this is in the
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record. This isn't like something someone fabricated and explained later. And these objects
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gle like fu fighters. They come up alongside the plane, but their disc
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like craft. And this was before Kenneth Arnold, which is really weird.
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They were disc type craft. It's how they kind of were explained. They
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called them discs. And the report and they said the plane made contact with
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them, and they heard they thought the plane had made contact with another plane
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and they heard them metal you know, hit it, but it didn't do
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any damage to the plane. And when they looked out to see what happened,
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there was nothing there. It was almost like the way they described it
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was. The plane basically flew through this etheric like object. And that was
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around the same time as what was happening in California. I mean, I've
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thought about it. I don't don't seriously think about it like this, but
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just kind of plane with the idea. It almost seems like like from the
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early forties onward, the idea of these illuminated balls, or the idea of
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these flying disc type craft, even before Kenneth Arnold, they're etheric. It's
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in the mind. They're in on battlefields. I mean, i La wasn't
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a battlefield, but we were afraid the Japanese were going to invade. And
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japan actually did attack the United States, not just Pearl Harbor. There was
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one mainland attack. It was a submarine and an oil refinery in California.
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Caused only a few hundred dollars in damage. So the Americans where we were
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very afraid that the Japanese were going to attack California, so there was a
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high people thought that's what was happening. And the Japanese denied that they had
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any involvement in the Battle Los Angeles. But it's almost like these things were
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etheric, and the more we stressed and worried about what was happening in the
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skies, they began to manifest more and more, and then we get roswell,
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and then they begin to get more solid, and then we get a
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lot more abduction cases. It's almost like we've kind of literally brought this phenomenon
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into physical manifestation existence. The battle. Did the Battle of La happened before
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or after the United States entered into World War two? Because the United States
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entered in late in the war, right late in the war, much later
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in the war. When did they come in for two? I believe the
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Battle Los Angeles was after we entered into the war, because we we were
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afraid that the Japanese were going to invade already, we'd already declared war.
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I believe that's interesting because it would have been really interesting if we didn't enter
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into the war until after Until after the battle, the Aliens were trying to
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get us involved in the well, because that leads credence to the people that
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say, oh, well, we entered the war on the pretenses that we
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knew that Germany had some form of a van stereo craft or whatever, that
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they had American spies over there in Germany during World War two and they were
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reporting back what they were seeing. And that's I mean, according to uphology,
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right acording to the euthologist, that's kind of what got us under the
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war. You know, you also have to look at. If you go
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back before World War Two and the Foo fighters and ghost rockets and Arnold in
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the late forties and atomic weapons and all of that, you go back far
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enough, as we've talked about so many times, and you know, as
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people like Carl Jung and many many others have pointed this out too, that
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you have the evolution of the UFO phenomenon going back thousands of years, if
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not tens of thousands of years, not just the beans or the creatures that
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we associate with these objects or these lights in the sky, but the phenomenon
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itself. It evolves. So it goes from usually on battlefields, soldiers seeing
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boats and shields, pillars and things, cannons and Germany cannons and cannon balls
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and things that they didn't understand what it was, so they described it in
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terms of things they did understand, like a big wooden ship, right,
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or a shield or a can in the cannonball. And then as time progresses
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and we move more into modern times, the boat has become a space ship
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because we know we have rockets and we have space shuttles, and that's so
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widespread and probably pretty antiquated technology, but you got private companies that even do
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that now. So the more and more we evolve technologically, the UFO phenomena
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evolves with us. So it's kind of like that idea when a military plane
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is chasing a ufhone and it can't either like it can't really keep up with
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it, like it's always just a little bit further ahead. I don't know,
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it's kind of just I think it's kind of like that with the phenomenon
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in general. It's something that you can you're not going to be able to
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catch it because it's part of us. And the more we move forward technologically
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and in terms of understanding the world around us, it's just the more with
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what we know or what yet or what we're yes, more we associate with
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what we know, and the more we associate it with things that are the
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phenomenon itself, with things that are always just a little bit more advanced than
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we are, and that probably, like the science fiction, leads us to
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make new advances. Because they were talking today there was a panel about gravitans
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and looking for the gravity particle. Because there's a theory and there's a formula,
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and then we build something, we try to find it and we try
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to prove the theory right, and sometimes the theory is wrong and they have
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to redo it. And then but if I mean, that's what you're looking
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for and that's what you're in for, euthologists, they would say, well,
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we have once we can understand that, maybe we can obtain the technology
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to have some sort of interstellar flight because gravity wouldn't be a problem anymore.
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And that's what the UFOs they say, they don't really have to worry about
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gravity, right, they can just put their anti gravity vehicles. But that's
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also I mean, i'd say separate science from euthology for a second. And
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from a eufhological point of view, all these are also scientific, like they're
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scientific like theories. Right. It's like, well, the UFOs must be
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anti gravity. Well why do you think that, Well, because you heard
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a thousand Discovery Channel, History Channel and all these other TV and documentaries say
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it must be anty gravity or they have inertia cancellers. I remember that was
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a really big thing, inertia cancelers. And then we start to develop this
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idea that maybe if we develop that kind of technology, then we'll finally understand
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what these things are. But it's all coming from the human mind. I
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don't think not an alien mind. I agree with that one dred percent.
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And that's what we really need to It's important to have these types of conversations
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because we can't just narrow the whole phenomenon down to like one specific thing.
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But that also is a trap as well, and also why the community is
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really fragmented, because everyone has their own thoughts and their own ideas about what
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the phenomenon is, and then that creates this fracturing effect. You know,
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you have all the conscious people and the spiritual and the New Age people think
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that it's a spiritual phenomenon. You have another group that thinks that it's you
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know, terrestrials. You have a group that thinks that it's crypto terrestrials.
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You got people think that it's an ancient civilization that's been here on the planet
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for a long time, that it's the Atlanteans. You have another group people
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think that it's all the military, you know, and it's all the fracturing
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doesn't really move the conversation forward, Yeah, it brings it to like a
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complete standstill because people are just bickering and arguing within the group. It's like
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what Bill Cooper was talking about in this conference in nineteen eighty seven, the
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move on the conference. He was like, the community is its own worst
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enemy. And you can apply that same topic and that same statement to all
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of the communities, any of it, any truth or community, conspiracy,
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community, athology community. There's people that are Bigfoots interdimensional. No Bigfoot's just
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a spiritual apparition, No Bigfoots of physical hairy monster. And there's there's little
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communities that it's okay to have theories and it's okay to discuss them, but
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it's not okay to get stuck in that echo chamber. Yeah, And then
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I feel like that's what it's what it's really done. It's not even about
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bringing new knowledge or new thoughts or new ideas, because normally when people have
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a new thought or a new idea, it gets like squashed really quickly,
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Like people come down on it hard, you know, because the people that
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you know pave the way for other people are normally bashed in the beginning and
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they're like, oh, you're wrong, you don't know what you're talking about.
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I've done so much more race art trying, you got all lesson William
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Tomkins, Bob Dean. If you want to know the real truth, you
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know. And I've heard that kind of thing so many times. Yeah,
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it's a it's a recurring thing over and over again, and it's unfortunate because
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everything should be and it accepted to a certain degree. But everyone has their
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own really confirmed ideologies. Like I have no problem listening to someone that thinks
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that, you know, extraterrestrials are real. That doesn't mean that I'm not
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going to say my thoughts, opinions, and beliefs on it. They have
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the right to believe whatever they want to believe. I think it's all so
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difficult because we all think a little bit differently, and that's what makes humans
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unique. And we are all good at certain things and not good at other
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things, and we have to work certain things and other things. Even if
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we work at them, we're still not good at them. Is that if
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you try to explain, like I've tried to explain, I'm not like a
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genius. I'm just someone who can read books, and I read books and
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I learn things, and I just you know, the idea of the oldest
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flying saucer is not back in the nineteen forties. It's four or five ten,
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Who knows how many thousands of years old. It's the Sun. It's
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a disc flies through the sky and every day or in the evening, it
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crashes in the land of shadow. That was the Egyptian story of Ra's sunboat,
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or in Japan Amatatasu's you know her. I don't know if they ever
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called it a boat, but she was the personification of the sun, and
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the sun would rise and then it would crash. It's actually a very similar
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you know, there's a correlation between Jesus's story of resurrection and death, resurrection
27:19
and death and the UFO story of these extraterrestrials or this flying saucer. I
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know, those two things to people like you and I aren't necessarily the same.
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But yeah, a flying saucer, a flying disc and then crashing,
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and then we recover the bodies, like Christ's body, and then we create
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this whole narrative around. It's a very similar thing going on there. And
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the Sun is the oldest flying disc. It is the original flying disc.
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But unless someone's read Joseph Campbell or Carl Jung, or they've studied you know,
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basic like archtypical symbology, it's okay, they don't know that, but
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it's hard to explain that to someone who's very hell bent on no it was
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nineteen forty seven, Roswell. What's interesting is like you would think that's something
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that you would see every day, like the sun that would come up and
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rise and then set and then when it says it gets dark, and that
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happens every day for all of eternity, like all of our existence here,
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Like you think that they would kind of wise up a little bit and be
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like, you know, figure it out that this is a light source and
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this is always here. It's not. I mean, it is extraordinary that
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we have a sun, but it's not extraordinary to the a point where it's
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anomalous. You know, it happens every single day. So it's like,
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wonder what. I'm sure that they thought, oh man, this, what
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is this? What is up on the sky? About? How long can
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you think that exact same thing? But I mean, I probably I don't
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know what civilization was like back then. I don't know what they were thinking.
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I don't know what they were doing. It's probably all survival. And
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it might be how we interpret it too. It might be that it wasn't
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a literal interpretation for most people that they were really legitimately afraid the sun wasn't
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going to come back. I mean that could have been the common person,
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priestly class didn't believe that, or it could just be our interpretation of the
29:19
past, like we thought, oh, they're so primitive, they didn't have
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iPhones, so they must have thought the sun went away when they were really
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telling a more complex story about nature. Yeah, that could be a worry
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that the sun doesn't come back. And we do really kind of take a
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lot of things for granted in our reality, like the sun and the moon
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and the stars. You know, it's like a everyday part of our reality.
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But then there's the other part of this, where as society evolves,
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then we realized that that is a naturally occurring phenomenon that's a part of our
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reality. But then now we would class why that is science exactly, it's
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a scientific discovery. So I don't think that anything else that may actually be
30:08
anomalous won't be able to be explained. That's what it really means. That's
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what we're talking about here, is that the things that we see now are
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going to be explained at some point in the future. Just like the people
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that was calling the sauna disk and thinking that it was like a craft or
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whatever it is that they thought is later on explained by science and a natural
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current phenomenon. Yeah, but then again you also get NASA, who well,
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when we had the eclipse a few months ago in twenty twenty four,
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you had NASA quite literally reenacting an old Egyptian ritual where they would fire projectiles
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at the sun during an eclipse to prevent the serpent apep from consuming it.
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So, despite the fact that I completely agree with you it's a scientific discovery,
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we still reenact the ancient story in the ancient myths because they hold i
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think, symbolic power, subconscious unconscious power, and affects people that are performing
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those rituals, you know, as much, maybe maybe more, but as
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much at least as it does the common person. Whether you've ever heard of
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apep or any of these myths. They're so embedded in culture, They're so
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embedded in the psyche and probably your genetics, like it's the very basis of
31:25
what makes us human. Generation after generation after generation of the same stories and
31:29
the same and living in the same environments. It's probably embedded right in your
31:33
DNA to some extent. Yeah, ancestral like a memory. Yeah, you
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know, and there's also I mean there are there are so many different ways,
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like you said, like we alluded to earlier, to break down the
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UFO subject to break down or now the UAP subject. Everybody wants to either
31:52
control the narrative, like the Vatican wants to control the narrative, and they
31:56
want to well years ago they said they'd baptize an alien. Now the Vatican
32:00
is basically saying that, you know, the door's open for this kind of
32:04
life to exist. You've got the US federal government sort of playing every side
32:09
of taking every angle, but sort of using the same playbook as we discussed
32:15
back from the nineteen forties and nineteen fifties. It's kind of the same answers
32:20
we got back then that we're getting today. And then you have you know
32:23
more I think powerful citizen groups and movements that are doing their own investigation into
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it. Like you have all these different people that want to control the narrative.
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Even within ufology you have again the spiritualist type people, the mechanical physics
32:37
type people, and everybody goes at each other and argues over what the narrative
32:42
is, or you involve politics in it, and what are the aliens can
32:45
to do about climate change? You think the aliens? How do we deal
32:49
with racism with aliens? You know? Yeah, that kind of and it's
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funny, but that's true. There's some people that really think, like,
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well, what if the aliens are white? What if they're black? What
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if they're green? Was you know with then that kind of in racism though,
33:07
like what if they are green? And what if they come down in
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their green I don't know, I don't know. Maybe what was that movie
33:15
District nine where the aliens were sort of discriminated against and kept in that ghetto.
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That's exactly what we would do. That's probably what we would do too.
33:25
Yeah, so it's white people's faults. We quarantined the aliens. Yeah,
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crucify him and put them in the crappy neighborhood ridicule. There was one
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little thing we were talking about yesterday that I think is probably relevant to this.
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I was reading this old was published in the seventies, this old book.
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I showed it to you. It was just like a history of magic
33:47
or occultism. And the guy that wrote the book was he had a brief
33:52
overview of like supernatural beings, and he was talking about fairies, and he
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was talking about elves and different creaturesacters, deities from all over the world and
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the comparisons between them and Hindu and the Hindu religion or in Christianity call him
34:08
demons or whatever. But he was talking about how elves and fairies they always
34:14
have green skin or they always have green clothing. But I didn't know this
34:17
about elves in the tradition. Elves not only are they good with technology,
34:22
which like the machine elves with DMT, I knew that, but I didn't
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know that elves in the lore actually have a cosmic origin according to this particular
34:34
book, and it's an older book, has nothing to do with UFOs.
34:37
So I was thinking, well, you've got these little green men that are
34:38
really good with machines that come from the cosmos. And this is a we
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don't don't know how old those those stories are, four or five hundred,
34:46
one thousand years old. Like, I mean, that's pretty similar to how
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we view the same kind of thing today. Subject today, and the whole
34:57
idea of even like demons and angels and all that. I mean, that's
35:00
also evolved over time too, because that's like a that's kind of like a
35:06
comical thing that people argue about demons. Are they demons? Are the aliens
35:08
or the aliens? Are they demons? Maybe they're the same thing, Maybe
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they're not the same thing, Maybe they're two different things. But really,
35:14
like our idea of supernatural beans has changed over time too, Like these creatures
35:19
from some other place. Maybe the demons came up from Hell. Now it's
35:22
like some sort of reptilian alien that wants to torture us and eat us.
35:27
And the Paladians are these tall, beautiful, white, angelic like beans.
35:31
They're here to save us. Right. And you can go to holy sites
35:34
too, like Roswell's a holy site. You can venture there and take a
35:37
pilgrimage. Holy books nothing against people like von Danic intersition, but those are
35:44
holy books that you're not allowed to question. It's blasphemous to question those books.
35:47
There are I would say Ufo saints. There are people in the UFO
35:52
community that you're not allowed to question. They've got sainthood from the from the
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leadership of the people local cult. They've been ordained, got their fish bishop
36:04
hat. So that's there's a there's a correlation there too. I mean there's
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a religious element that it's I wouldn't say it's turned into I think it's always
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been that, especially as you know better than I do, all the different
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UFO cults they pull heavily from that lore. Absolutely they do, and they
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regurgitated whether they know it or not. They have taken a lot of the
36:28
talking points and a lot of the ideas from those UFO cults and turned it
36:32
into their own. And that's something that not a lot of people know about
36:37
either. That's why I did that series UFO Doomsday Cults, was to let
36:42
people know their ideology and their thought process and where a lot of this stuff
36:46
comes from. Because you can go back and study all those UFO cults and
36:51
you can see that almost all those talking points are the same talking points that
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people use today, even like love and light here, love and light a
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lot. That's not a new thing. It's been around for a very very
37:05
long time. A lot of the talking points, you're right, same talking
37:07
points over and over again. We just might interpret them or apply them differently.
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Just like with whatever we're seeing a thousand years ago in the sky,
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we might call it a boat, not today we called a spaceship. And
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who knows what we'll call it in a thousand years. It's just like the
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Bible, right, Like you can open up the Bible and you can find
37:23
something that somehow relates to what you're going through in this exact moment. God,
37:29
God helped you to find that passage. I open it performing some bibliomancy.
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Yeah, yeah, you could probably do it with some alien UFO books.
37:37
Right. What are the aliens want me to know? Right there?
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They're going to save us from climateation? Please aliens, please save us from
37:46
climate ashtar galactic commands save us Brian, Thanks brother, you got appreciation.
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