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  Speaker 1: What's up everybody. I hope you are doing well. I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to let you know. This podcast episode was recorded
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  Speaker 1: on Wednesday, January fifteenth, twenty twenty five. By the time
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  Speaker 1: you hear this, some things may have changed here or there,
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  Speaker 1: but we hope you enjoy the show. Welcome to the
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  Speaker 1: Philadelphia Sports Table podcast show, the longest running weekly Philly
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  Speaker 1: sports podcast show in the world. Eleven and a half
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  Speaker 1: year strong. Actually over eleven and a half years strong.
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  Speaker 1: We've got a great show for you. This week, we're
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  Speaker 1: certainly going to be getting into some Eagles talk as
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  Speaker 1: this team is heading to the Divisional round of the
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  Speaker 1: NFL Playoffs and the NFC. And then we're gonna reflect
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  Speaker 1: on the Orange Bowl as Eric and I are Penn
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  Speaker 1: State graduates. Boy, huge disappointment for Penn State fans as
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  Speaker 1: they lost a Notre Dame man in a game that
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  Speaker 1: was very winnable in the semi finals of the College
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  Speaker 1: Football Playoff. And then from there, we're actually gonna get
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  Speaker 1: into fans who are banned from attending sporting events. You
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  Speaker 1: know where that one's going, folks. And we're also gonna
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  Speaker 1: be getting into some Philly sports complex talk. Yes not
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  Speaker 1: if you have a complex about something, but the actual
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  Speaker 1: sports complex. There is gonna be some redevelopment and some
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  Speaker 1: restructuring of the Philly Sports Complex over the next ten years.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna dive into that as well as some flyers talk.
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  Speaker 1: That's what we're throwing down on the table. I'm Jeff
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  Speaker 1: Warren and I'm here by good buddy Eric Leonard.
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  Speaker 2: How you doing, Eric Man, I'm good Man. We spent
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  Speaker 2: forty minutes getting my new soundboard set up. Yes, that
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  Speaker 2: was a son of a bitch. Jeez is barringer? H
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  Speaker 2: what do you call it?
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  Speaker 1: Are they did?
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  Speaker 2: They did they advertise with us?
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  Speaker 1: They don't know, they don't know?
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  Speaker 2: Right? Fuck him? Terrible? I mean it sounds good now,
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  Speaker 2: but Man, to get to this point, yeah whatever, I
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  Speaker 2: don't want to get super serious, but like just real quick,
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  Speaker 2: like I just want to acknowledge buddy of the show.
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  Speaker 2: He's been on the show a bunch of times.
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  Speaker 1: Right at the end of the year, our PSD special
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  Speaker 1: show where we were doing twenty years ago albums that
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  Speaker 1: we were listening to. Yeah, go ahead, Mark.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Mark. He lives a in l A and he's
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  Speaker 2: you know, he's been totally affected by this. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know the status of everything right now. I'm not going
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  Speaker 2: to go into detail because I really don't know. Haven't
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  Speaker 2: text with him since was it Tuesday night? I believe
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  Speaker 2: we were texting with him, you and I, Yes, just
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  Speaker 2: keep him in your thoughts and uh, and just all
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  Speaker 2: the people in LA affected by it. And if you
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  Speaker 2: see a GoFundMe uh first first I would I would
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  Speaker 2: do some research first, because there's some scammers already out
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  Speaker 2: there which is fucking this yep. But just yeah, if
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  Speaker 2: you can give, and yeah, just keep those people in
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  Speaker 2: your thoughts or prayers.
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  Speaker 1: My daughter Abigail has really been following this as a
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  Speaker 1: thirteen year old, and Eric, like you said, like you know,
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  Speaker 1: there are a lot of people who are affected by this,
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  Speaker 1: and even people here on the East Coast who know
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  Speaker 1: folks and are just seeing horrific images. Her and I
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  Speaker 1: decided that we wanted to donate some money. Wasn't a
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  Speaker 1: ton of money, but we wanted to donate to some funds.
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  Speaker 1: And I'll say this for people, and yes, I know
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  Speaker 1: what I'm going to say right now is a political
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  Speaker 1: based site, but they are an independent progressive media company.
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  Speaker 1: They are called Crooked Media. And if you go to
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  Speaker 1: vote Save America, Vote Save America dot com, slash Relief.
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  Speaker 1: The money that they are taking in is going out
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  Speaker 1: to five different organizations in the Los Angeles area fire departments,
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  Speaker 1: going out to different community organizations and EMS organizations as well.
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  Speaker 1: That's where we donated because we know the money is
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  Speaker 1: actually going to get to where it needs to go.
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  Speaker 1: So I just wanted to throw that out there. And yes,
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  Speaker 1: they are a political base type thing, but they're one
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  Speaker 1: of my favorite podcasts, so the pod Save America folks,
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  Speaker 1: So that's that's who was doing that. But yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 1: glad you brought that up, Eric, So yeah, let's get
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  Speaker 1: into this show here. Let's get into this show. Let's
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  Speaker 1: get into some Eagles talk right off the bat here.
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  Speaker 1: This team going to the divisional round. Hopefully, if you're
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  Speaker 1: listening to this after the Eagles Rams game, you know
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  Speaker 1: what we're saying right now may actually still be relevant
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  Speaker 1: because the Eagles defense this season, Eric, could be one
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  Speaker 1: of the best of all time in franchise history. And
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  Speaker 1: we know they're good. Everybody's talking about how they're good,
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  Speaker 1: but they're not. Actually, folks aren't actually saying, boy, this
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  Speaker 1: could be one of the best of all time in
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  Speaker 1: franchise history. Here's some quick numbers for you. First in
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  Speaker 1: total defense DVOA by a considerable margin. This defense is
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  Speaker 1: also second in run DVA, second in past DVOA, and
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  Speaker 1: first in yards allowed, third in touchdowns allowed. I cannot
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  Speaker 1: remember the last time in the Eagles defense at this
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  Speaker 1: point in the season could still boast those type of numbers. Eric,
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  Speaker 1: I seriously think we are looking at and on a
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  Speaker 1: week to week basis, here one of the best Eagles
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  Speaker 1: defenses of all time, and it's it's something to be
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  Speaker 1: something to be reckoned with.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it definitely is. You know, they keep much better
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  Speaker 2: stats now, so it's a little it's difficult to like
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  Speaker 2: compare errors, right but you know, but I will compare
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  Speaker 2: right now. I kind of have in front of me here. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the I think the gold standard for the Eagles has
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  Speaker 2: always been the ninety one defense, the year that Randall
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  Speaker 2: went down and the defense just dragged them the ten wins.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if you remember that season back then, I'm old,
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  Speaker 2: but like that was that was one of the some
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  Speaker 2: of the quarterbacking the names I could I could give
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  Speaker 2: you was unbelievable. The slop that they put out their quarterback,
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  Speaker 2: and the offense was, you know, averaging like ten points
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  Speaker 2: a game, and the defense was holding teams are like
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  Speaker 2: six points a game. You know, this year's defense is
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  Speaker 2: given up four point seven yards a game. And bringing
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  Speaker 2: up right now, the ninety one team three point nine
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  Speaker 2: yards per game or I'm sorry per play per play.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I was just gonna have nine yard.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I mean the ninety one defense the four
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  Speaker 2: point it is pretty good, man, But three point nine
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  Speaker 2: yards per play they averaged, and they gave up fifteen
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  Speaker 2: point three games or points per game the ninety one defense,
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  Speaker 2: so very comparable, very comparable. I think ninety one is
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  Speaker 2: always going to be the best that I've ever seen,
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  Speaker 2: probably in history for the Eagles. But this one's damn good.
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  Speaker 2: And like you know, it's hard to go back and
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  Speaker 2: do the DVOA and like in some of the like
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  Speaker 2: really advanced stats for the older teams, but I mean,
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  Speaker 2: this one really stands out some other ones I would
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  Speaker 2: think of the four team had a really damn good defense.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah that went to the super Bowl. The other Super
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  Speaker 2: Bowl year twenty seventeen had a good d defense. But
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  Speaker 2: I think in my lifetime, I think this is the
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  Speaker 2: one this year is probably the number two defense. And
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  Speaker 2: having said that, like the beginning of the year, man,
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  Speaker 2: they were question marks everywhere. Yeah, like I mean, Nikobe
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  Speaker 2: Dean is even an NFL player, who's this Zach Bond guy,
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  Speaker 2: He's he's starting to lie back? Or what the hell
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  Speaker 2: we doing this year?
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  Speaker 1: Right? Man?
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  Speaker 2: And they got they got Kenyon Mitchell, total rookie.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: They drafted uh Cooper Cooper Degene And it's like two
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  Speaker 2: rookies in the secondary? What are we doing?
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  Speaker 3: Like?
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  Speaker 2: And they wanted maybe having the best Eagles defense, like
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  Speaker 2: the second best Eagles defense of all time. Great, great
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  Speaker 2: job by the coordinator. Let me ask you this.
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  Speaker 1: Let me ask you this though I'm kind of with
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  Speaker 1: you on the the that this year's defense second best perhaps,
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  Speaker 1: But I look at the errors because you said it too.
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  Speaker 1: We have to look at these eras and what the
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  Speaker 1: offenses were doing then and what the offenses are doing now.
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  Speaker 1: We know that we know that phrase bigger, faster, stronger.
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  Speaker 1: That's what we have now. That's what's a lot different
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  Speaker 1: than what we had in ninety one. The scheming, i think,
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  Speaker 1: from an offensive standpoint, a little bit more complex than
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  Speaker 1: what we saw in nineteen ninety one certainly with those
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  Speaker 1: teams and what the quarterbacks were able to do as well.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder do those differences maybe kind of alter your
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  Speaker 1: perception of what number one number two might actually be
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  Speaker 1: because I don't know, I don't know. You put these
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  Speaker 1: on it, you put both defenses on a scale, and
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  Speaker 1: they might actually be even for me personally. Do you
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  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'll come back to what Bill Parcells used to say.
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  Speaker 2: It's like you play who's on your schedule? Right, So
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  Speaker 2: the ninety one defense was going against the offenses that
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  Speaker 2: they were going against, you know, right. But I'll say
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  Speaker 2: this because I thought about what you just said earlier
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  Speaker 2: when I saw the ninety one stats. Now, I'll never
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  Speaker 2: take today defenses and go backwards because they'll always do well.
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  Speaker 2: You know. You know you're not going to take the
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty four Eagles defense and go geinst wye tittle.
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  Speaker 2: It's ridiculous, right, they can they get killed, they would
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  Speaker 2: slog to them. But I but I'll take the old
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  Speaker 2: defenses and bring them to this era and could they
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  Speaker 2: perform I think the ninety one Eagles defense could absolutely
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  Speaker 2: do that. They like if they play today, Reggie Reggie
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  Speaker 2: White would still dominate. Oh, absolutely, a physical beast. Eric
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  Speaker 2: Alla would still be an awesome cornerback, and the schemes
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  Speaker 2: would be But they they're also really smart players. Sith
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  Speaker 2: Joyner is a really smart player. They probably adapt to it.
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  Speaker 2: So I was like, like, the two thousand Ravens defense
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  Speaker 2: you could definitely play today. Yeah, some of those all
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  Speaker 2: timers eighty five Bears probably, but like you know, yes,
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  Speaker 2: there's absolutely I make you know there is there. They're
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  Speaker 2: absolutely going up against far more complicated offensive schemes, So
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  Speaker 2: I guess you have to kind of compare to errors.
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  Speaker 2: But like like I said, could that older team play today?
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  Speaker 2: And I think they could.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's fair. I do think that's fair.
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  Speaker 1: I also think it's important for us as we are
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  Speaker 1: looking towards this divisional round game against the Range, and
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  Speaker 1: as we're gonna give our just some brief thoughts here
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  Speaker 1: about the matchup. You mentioned one guy and it really
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  Speaker 1: sucks Eric that he is not going to be playing
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  Speaker 1: for the rest of the season, and that is na
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  Speaker 1: Kobe Dean. He was an integral part of this defense
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  Speaker 1: and we never thought that was gonna be the case.
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  Speaker 1: I mean We thought this guy was gonna get cut
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  Speaker 1: after this season, probably because he was consistently injured. What
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  Speaker 1: a year he has had, and now they do not
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  Speaker 1: have him. They just signed a name from the past,
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  Speaker 1: Nick Morrow, to possibly be some sort of backup here.
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  Speaker 1: Orrin Burks did not do a great job and coverage
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  Speaker 1: as we saw, and we're this, this defense is gonna
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  Speaker 1: miss Nacobe Dean Do I think that the defense overall
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  Speaker 1: is going to miss a step, not necessarily against this
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  Speaker 1: Rams team. But I mean, let's get into like what
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  Speaker 1: our thoughts are on this matchup. I know the Rams
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  Speaker 1: of the hot team right now. You know our buddies
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  Speaker 1: and you know we've been texting about this. You know,
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  Speaker 1: they're the hot team, They're the ones on fire. But
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  Speaker 1: you take go look at the Rams what the Eagles
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  Speaker 1: did to them in Week twelve, and it was it
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  Speaker 1: was ridiculous. You know, we always have these teams that
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  Speaker 1: are seated maybe like you know, six or seventh, and
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  Speaker 1: they get hot and then in the divisional round they
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  Speaker 1: just completely fizzle out. I have a feeling this might
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  Speaker 1: actually happen with this Rams team, uh, because I just
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  Speaker 1: don't I just think Vic Fangio is better at his
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  Speaker 1: defensive scheming than what we have seen from Sean McVay
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  Speaker 1: this year. I think the Eagles are gonna end up
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  Speaker 1: winning this.
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  Speaker 2: Just real quick. I can't wait to text Mark later
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  Speaker 2: that you describe the Rams as on fire and hot.
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  Speaker 2: Holy cow, he will laugh his ass off at Oh boy. Now,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if Vick Fangio can out coach Sean McVay.
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  Speaker 2: Sean mcvaydan the heat.
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  Speaker 1: He's an elite play caller. He is an elite play caller.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they you know, not to you know, not
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  Speaker 2: to take away from his defensive coordinator. They both called
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  Speaker 2: a great game. I mean, yeah, I'll say this, like
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  Speaker 2: the Vikings got killed by the Lions. I thought it
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  Speaker 2: was like a one off, like, oh, they're going to
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  Speaker 2: do well against the Rams, and they just look they
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  Speaker 2: look like dog shit. Yeah, I don't know if I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if the Vikings were any good at the
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  Speaker 2: end of the year. So maybe the Rams beat up
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  Speaker 2: on a shitty team. I mean, the Donald looked like
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  Speaker 2: the old Donald that game. He was terrible, So I'm
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  Speaker 2: not sure what to make of that game. But they
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  Speaker 2: were also super hyped and pomp and the whole thing
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  Speaker 2: going on at home, and it was it was like
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  Speaker 2: a family thing, and they really came together. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: as an Eagles fan, that would scare me a little bit,
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  Speaker 2: like a team of destiny kind of deal. Team got
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  Speaker 2: hot at the end of the year. They're winning games.
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  Speaker 2: They're on fire. Jeff right, they're hot. But having said that,
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  Speaker 2: the Eagles defense, I mean just stifled the Packers. Not
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  Speaker 2: that they were playing really well, but the Packers are
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  Speaker 2: pretty good team. And Vic Fangio has been around the
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  Speaker 2: league a long time. I think he's gonna have a
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  Speaker 2: great scheme. My fear, honestly, is the Eagles offense. I
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  Speaker 2: mean that that was the Rams defense looked amazing against
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  Speaker 2: the shaky Vikings offense. Our offense looked almost as shaky
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  Speaker 2: as as the Vikings. Not that bad, but they we
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  Speaker 2: have Saquon Barkley. But did Jalen Hurts give you any
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  Speaker 2: modicum of faith as an Eagles fan. He didn't.
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  Speaker 1: For me, it's up and down for me, it really is,
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  Speaker 1: because I'm reading I'm reading quote the stats on Twitter.
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  Speaker 1: But when I did the Eagles postgame show with our
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  Speaker 1: buddy Josh Schuster, Hey, Josh, if you're listening, we we were,
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  Speaker 1: you know, looking at the stats like, oh, the stats
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  Speaker 1: aren't terrible. He went six for six to start the
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  Speaker 1: game and then went oh for seven. It didn't complete
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  Speaker 1: a past till then the third quarter he went oh
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  Speaker 1: for seven basically in the in the second quarter, it
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  Speaker 1: was it was incredible to watch. I thought he was
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  Speaker 1: back to for him going six for six for fifty
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  Speaker 1: something yards and a touchdown. It's like, oh, all right,
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  Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts isn't gonna miss a beat here, and then
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  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, just completely shit the bed Jalen.
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  Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts though, to me a lot of times in
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  Speaker 2: his career outside of the Super Bowl season, he's one
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  Speaker 2: of those guys where the the NFL nerds will tell me, well,
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  Speaker 2: look at his devanced stats man. It's something I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: I watched the games, okay. I see when he's under
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  Speaker 2: pressure in the pocket and then he makes an awful pass.
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  Speaker 2: I see when he goes oh for seven for a
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  Speaker 2: passing streak, and he just looks horrendous and he's just
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  Speaker 2: not He's not in sync with his receivers. He does
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  Speaker 2: run well, thank goodness. If he didn't run well, he's
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  Speaker 2: Sam Darnald, right, Like, that's the one thing we have
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  Speaker 2: against the Rams. They sacked Donald nine times, and they
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  Speaker 2: just came with pressure, pressure, pressure. You know, we have,
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  Speaker 2: say Quon and Jalen's legs to kind of offset that pressure.
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  Speaker 4: Ye.
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  Speaker 2: It's my fear is the when he does do that
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  Speaker 2: and he decides to throw, what's going to happen? Ye?
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  Speaker 2: Where's it going to go? Is he going to miss
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  Speaker 2: his receivers? I think they can win this game, but
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  Speaker 2: it is not going to be a thirty eight thirty
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  Speaker 2: five shootout. Yeah, some people might think it's going to be.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think he's like that at all. I don't
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  Speaker 2: think it's gonna be cold down there. Yeah, like ten
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  Speaker 2: to thirteen kind of game. Honestly, I think the defense
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  Speaker 2: is gonna kill I really do.
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  Speaker 1: I think the Eagles defense is gonna I mean, if
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  Speaker 1: they give up more than seventeen points, I will be very,
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  Speaker 1: very surprised. I mean, this is an Eagles defense. It's
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  Speaker 1: only been given up what what did you say earlier?
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  Speaker 1: Like fourteen something points per game?
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  Speaker 2: The points per game, I think it's like fourteen to fifteen.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, yards per play is like a four point
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  Speaker 2: three So yeah, they're and I think if the throughout
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  Speaker 2: that game earlier this year that they kicked the Rams
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  Speaker 2: ass in LA, the Rams just just looked off that
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  Speaker 2: game and they look great. But this is a different
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  Speaker 2: Rams team. Our offense does not look as smooth as
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  Speaker 2: did in that Rams game. Again, I think it's I
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  Speaker 2: think this one's all on the quarterback and the and
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  Speaker 2: the head coaching. Hoping Kellen Moore can call it good.
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  Speaker 2: I think Vic Fangio can slow the offense down. The
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  Speaker 2: Vikings didn't bring a ton of pressure on Stafford and
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: he had a couple scrambles, and I'm like, this guy's
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  Speaker 2: like three eight years old. I know what he's going
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  Speaker 2: I know. I hope it's can happen, right, Yeah, that's
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  Speaker 2: not gonna happen again.
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  Speaker 1: I hope aj Brown gets more than three targets.
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  Speaker 2: What the hell I'm expecting to stack up books next
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  Speaker 2: to him?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Bench, oh, I got it.
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  Speaker 1: He starts ding the hobbit, you know. All right, Well,
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  Speaker 1: we are going to be doing our Eagles postgame podcast
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  Speaker 1: show after the game this week. Stay tuned for that.
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  Speaker 1: But as we're moving along with the show here, we
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  Speaker 1: also wanted to get into some college football specifically some
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: thoughts about the Penn State Notre Dame game. I know
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: I'm a lot more invested in the college football world
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: and what happens throughout the college football season. I think
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: the you, Eric, I know you do follow it, maybe
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: not as close because I'm looking at prospects. I'm looking
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: at what's going to happen in the upcoming NFL Draft.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: And just I love college football in general. I love
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: a lot of the rivalries, all the tradition, all that
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: crap and stuff. I love it. But with Penn State,
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: you and I both went there. We are a lum.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: We root for the Penn State Nitney Lions Boy. Huge
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: disappointment losing to Notre Dame. I really did think they
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: were gonna win at Penn State. I thought Penn State
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: was going to win this game, not necessarily device or decisively,
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: but I thought they were going to take the running
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: game that has been so successful for them with k
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: Tron Allen and Nick Singleton and just really run it
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: down Notre Dame's throats. And they were killing. They were
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: killing in the first half. Then they got away from
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: the run game. And also, it's got to be said too,
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: this game came down to really poor execution, some mistakes,
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: key mistakes made by some of the players in key
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: situations as well, kind of beating themselves, especially in the
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: second second half, and in Drew Aller throwing his third
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: interception of the year of the year right at the
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: end of the game. So I just I you know,
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: James Franklin, he's always getting always getting a ton of criticism,
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: sometimes rightfully so, sometimes not from some folks. But at
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: the end of the day, that second half was awful.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: It was a terrible game. I don't know what were
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: your thoughts as you were watching it, because I really
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: thought that I really thought Penn State was going to
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: be able to pull it out.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: Can I just real quick? Yeah? The nineteen ninety one
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: Eagles quarterbacks after Randy Huntingham, Yeah, I have it here.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: Jim McMahon, oh, thirty three years old. Yep, pat Ryan.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: Jesus, I almost forgot about Pat Ryan.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: Jeff Kemp, and Brad Gable. Those are the four quarterbacks
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: that the Eagles defense had to defend. So the end
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: of the best defense of Eagles history, I think it's the
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: ends the argument, all right.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: I think I think, yeah, we play it well. Put
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: a little more weight on that side. Yeah, absolutely, Jesus.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: So as far as Penn State goes Man, I was
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: so invested in that game. It was like you were
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: deep down. I mean, I'll admit it, deep down I
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: thought Notre Dame was gonna win. I even won money
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: off did it?
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Oh you did? Actually, yes, you did. I did.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: Unfortunately I was like, yay, I won money. My team loss.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: God damn. Like this was one of the most fun
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: like teams I watched for Penn State in a while,
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: but thought that ultimately they get out coached eventually. Because
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: I'll say this, the Notre Dame coach Marcus Freeman, if
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: he's on an NFL coach in the next like three years,
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: that's crazy. That guy is a real deal, like culture
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: creator coach.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Apparently he gave an electric halftime speech to get the
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: guys just completely pumped up and get back into it
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: during the third quarter. Apparently it was incredible.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: Not surprised. I'm sure James Franklin was as vanilla and
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: boring as he seems as a coach. I'm just gonna
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: say it, he does not. He does not spark enthusiasm
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: or inspiration to me. But no, the most disappointing thing
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: is the first half. I text all you guys, I'm like, man,
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: this is how they should They got an awesome two
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: back running back kind of situation. The offensive line was
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: really jelly and they were just running the ball down
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: their throats. The offensive line was controlling the game in
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: the first half. I was like, Okay, this is what
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: they should come out and do in the exact in the
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: second half, and when they weren't doing it, I'm like, no, Like,
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: you guys had the formula, what are you doing? And
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: I'm just And then at the end of the game,
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: I'm like he got out coached again, Like they changed
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: their scheme up. They were going in the right direction.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: You knew No Dame was going to come back, but
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: you had to control the ball. You had the lead.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: You should have kept running the ball down their throat
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: and you got away from it. And that was kind
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: of the mL with him all year, you know, like
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: the House Steak game. They could have won that game, yeah,
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: you know during the regular season, and then probably not.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: They're probably not in this position. They're playing somebody else
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: because of the record and disappointing as hell. And I
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: put it all on the coach, I thought the kid,
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: the quarterback, looks scared as hell.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: He really did, like he and he usually has a
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: lot of poise, he really does, and he looked like, Wow,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: this moment is a bit too big for me. And
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: I hate saying that because I love the kid. The
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: development he has gone through this year has been amazing
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: to watch. From where he was last year to where
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: he was now. I feel like he just took a
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: step back and that's not going to be good for
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: his potential NFL career. Quite frankly, I'm glad he's actually
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: coming back for another year so that he can redeem himself.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean if he went, if he went pro'd
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: be sus career suicide. But that it's no like this
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: is not like Drew Ally is not going to be
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: a good pro. Like his young kid, he had won
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: bad game, you know, like he reminds me of Josh Allen.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: He really does physically the way he throws the ball.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: He takes chances.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Three interceptions all year, three.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: Exactly, and you know, I really think he could and
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: I'm glad he's coming back, And it was just that
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: one time I'm hoping he takes hoping he reflects on
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: this and is like, Okay, I sucked. I wasn't good
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: that game. It was too big for me. I'll come
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: back more poise and we'll do it again next year. But
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: like I said, this goes on, This goes on. The
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: coach Notre Dame is a very well coached team to
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: come back in that second half when things look like
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: it was falling apart. How much can we pay Marcus
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: Freeman to come coach U. I was just super impressed
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: by their second half response.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. All right, Well, we are gonna be
• 22:21
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• 22:37
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• 22:39
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• 22:51
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• 22:53
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• 22:57
  Speaker 1: When we come back, we're gonna be talking about some
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: individuals who have been banned from professional sports games and
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: banned from stadiums, and we're gonna talk about Sixers and
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: the Flyers come into an agreement for a new stadium
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: or should say arena that's gonna be built. But what
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: does that mean for the sports complex down in South Philly?
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: And then what we're thrown down on the table. We're
• 23:22
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• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Com about this Flyers team and how they're looking here
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: at the beginning of twenty twenty five. We're gonna take
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: that break. We'll be back in just a bit. All right,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: we are back, and let's get into something that's pretty
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: amazing this past week that happened. First off, we got
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: the news that the two fans who pride open Mookie
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Betts's glove during Game four of the World Series, they
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: have been indefinitely banned from attending Major League Baseball games
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: and they are now subject to arrest if they are
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: found to be in attendance at any MLB prop pretty
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: or event. And then this week a lot of us
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: know who are on social media. The video is going around.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: It was absolutely horrendous. A gentleman named Ryan Caldwell, an
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Eagles fan, was a horrendous piece of garbage, piece of
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: shit human being to a woman who is a Green
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Bay Packers fan. It was atrocious the language he was
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: using with her. Philadelphia Eagles have said that Ryan Caldwell
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: is now banned from attending games at Lincoln Financial Field.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure if it's just games or if he
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: can't go if he wants to go to a concert.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: I don't even know if he can get into the link.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: I think it's actually a band from the link as
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: far as as far as I know, But we wanted
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: to give our thoughts on one the MLB ruling here
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: and just how we're starting to see some unruly fans
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: that are being told to go fuck themselves by organizations,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: which I think is actually pretty good, to be honest
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: with you, I'm glad this happened of that piece of
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: shit Ryan Caldwell, who was really an asshole to a
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: woman who just didn't deserve it. So in terms of
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: the MLB ruling, I think it's incredible Eric how they
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: could be arrested they could be arrested if they they
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: go to a Major League Baseball stadium to watch a
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: baseball game and are found. I don't know. Part of
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: me is like, wow, man, you're gonna I don't know,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: just because they I shouldn't say, just because they tried
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: to pry open Mookie Betts's club. I mean it was awful.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: I mean they put the they put the player in
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: danger quite frankly, but it just seems a little bizarre
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: where in this type of world where these type of
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: decisions are being made.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: My personal take when I saw the Mookie Bets play
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: before I even start, did you ever notice these guys
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: all have kind of a look.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: A look they're all described the look. Yeah, get into it.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: What's puffy white guys with bad facial hair, double chin?
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Their life is probably miserable outside of sports.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Are you looking at me?
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: I'm looking straight ahead. I wasn't looking you on the canton.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: But no, they all kind of have the same vibe
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: to me. Sometimes. I know it's not every case, but
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: like these two in particular, I'm like, those guys look
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: like schlubs, and it's like their moment in the sun.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: You're at a sporting event, you spent a lot of money.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: You're watching your team and the one case you're the
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: World Series, you have a chance to win the World Series.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: The Eagles game, it's a playoff game. You probably spend
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: a lot of frigging money on that ticket, and that's
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: what you choose to do with your time. Like that
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: is just born loser tattooed across your forehead. In both cases,
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: that guy.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Ryan Caldwell lost his job too, apparently.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, got fired. And I was telling Jeff before the game, like,
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: you know, we went to games, Eagles games in Phillies
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: games at the VET back in the day, late nineties,
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: early two thousands, pre internet, saw some crazy shit. Animals, animals,
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: absolute animals, And there's no Internet, so you can kind
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: of get away with stuff, right, Like I remember two
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: thousand Mets home opener against the Phillies. Two dudes rolling
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: down the steps punching one another and there's no cameras.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: It's just that's just what happened, right, And they went
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: off to Judge McCaffrey or what the hell the guy's
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: name was, the courthouse in the stadium, Yes, and that
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: was it. But you know, in this day and age, sorry,
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: my son's trying to scare me. You got me all
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: right anyway, So the uh, the World Series one is
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: just off the charts. Stupid what he tried to do.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: There's fifty million people. I know I'm exaggerating, but that's
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: a there's a lot of people watching that game, and
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: you're in the first row in the outfit, like trying
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: to rip the ball out of one of the best
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: players in baseball of his glove.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: To me, like what I was disappointed with with the
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Yankees' Yankee staff, or like the security staff was if
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: that idiot jumped on the field to try to take
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: the ball away, he would have You know, when guys
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: get on the field in baseball, they get manhandled, tackled,
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: punched in the face. It is the ugliest tackling because
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: the security guys are like, I want to be a cop,
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: but I can't be a cop. It's gonna be a
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: security guard like a mall cop. And here's my chance
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: to beat the shit out of somebody who broke the law. Yeah, exactly,
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: and I'm gonna I'm gonna take it, yeah, and I'm
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: gonna do it right.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: So this guy, though not quite on the Field on
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: National TV? Does it and he doesn't just get just
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: get rocked by security like that. I can't believe that
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: didn't happen. I can't believe it took this long to
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: ban him and his buddy. I think I got banned too.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: That one surprising me a lot. This one is the
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: other one. The Eagles fan is absolutely Internet justice. It
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: took a couple of days. I already got fire from
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: this job. His whole life is destroyed, I'm sure because
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: he decided to use the C word on it. Very did.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Do you see how she took it, by the way, Yes,
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: she took like a champ, Like it was like, oh,
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: I'm ugly, like laughing at him, like.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Like she took it with grace actually yeah, just mocking him,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: like yeah, you're such a douche dude, like relax and
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: uh and and but what's what did jump out of
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: me was like she was you know, younger, yes, and
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: was probably probably she's from this era where she understands
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: like this guy's fucking with me on the he's gonna
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: be on the internet.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: He's an idiot, ye, And she's taken it with humor
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: and class, and he's just over there spit coming out
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: of his mouth, looking like a typical what you know,
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: you know, the typical Eagles fan. Yeah, unfortunately that came
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: up all week and there's no argument for me he was.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Yes, But I will say that though the amount of
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: people Eagles fans online who said how not only unacceptable
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: it was, but let's get this fucking guy. That that
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: outweighed any of the oh she deserved it type of
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: thing just because she was wearing Green Bay apparel. I
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: mean it was. It was by an immense amount. The
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: amount of Eagles fans that were like, fuck this guy.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: He is a piece of shit. Let's find out who
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: he is. He needs to be destroyed. That that that
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: outnumbered any jerk offs out there that said, oh, she
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: deserved it, you know. And I give Eagles fans a
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: ton of credit for that.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, how much should we give credit though the
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: guy was a complete ticketare.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Well that's true. Yes, I mean they completely docks the
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: guy within the course of like eight hours.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: It reminds me of back in the day we lived
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: in Philly. I was walking my dog one day and
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: he's shit in front of his like small small business,
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: and I picked it up. Yes, and the guy came
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: out the owner. He goes, thank you so much for
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: picking up your dog. Your dog do do? And I
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: was insulted. Actually, I was like, well, I'm supposed to
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Like what are you talking about.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: I actually hadn't.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: Argument with him, like what are you talking I'm doing
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: what I'm supposed to do.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, people don't like, but I do. Yeah, thats you're
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: supposed to do.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Again, Like you're supposed to stand up against assholes like
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: that at a game like he was. I feel like
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: he was this close to taking a swing at somebody, Yes,
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: and he just thank God, just get him the fuck
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: out of the stadium. I hope he gets banned from
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: the Phillies, the Flyer six, like the whole deal, because
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: do they have facial recognition yet? Like can they do that?
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Like can they just be like he can't? You know
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: what I mean?
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: I want? I think they might. Actually I'm not even kidding,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: Like I think there. I think there is some technology
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: out there to do that.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: I think so too, because I think the new Clippers
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Arena into it thing into a dome, has that kind
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: of has that kind of thing. The problem though, is,
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: as I just described, there's so many of them those
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: guys that look like him. Yeah, Like, I feel like
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: it might even like confuse the most advanced AI generated
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: like facial right now. Yeah, it's like this guy just
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: looks like a white thumb. I can't tell the difference
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: between him and the last guy.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love it. Great, great conversation. I'd
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: love to hear from some folks out there what they
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: thought of these both of these situations, the Mookie bet situation,
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: the jerk off Eagles fan Ryan Caldwell, that particular situation,
• 32:30
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• 32:32
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• 32:36
  Speaker 1: We wanted to finally, before we take our next break,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Eric wanted to get into We're not gonna get into
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: the Sixers unless you have anything you want to say
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: about the Sixers. We're gonna talk about some of the
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: redevelopment that's gonna be happening over the course of the
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: next ten years at the Sports Complex. But I don't know,
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: do you have any Sixers stuff? I just I'm I'm
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: so tired of like hoping for this team. It's done.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: This season's done.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: I'll just say this real quick. They lost again last night.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Who cares whatever? Yeah, I just found it so funny
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: that they played okay see last night and lost, which
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, I saw the headline on a you know,
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: I was looking at the Philadelphia website.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: It was like Justin Edwards led the six Ers twenty
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: five points. Couldn't believe couldn't believe it? Yeah, who gives
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: a shit?
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: They lost by twenty at home, Like he yes, but
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: we played them right now. We lost tonight, and we're
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: the eighth worst team in the league. Our first round
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: pick is top seven protected. We're right outside of the bubble.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: And guess who gets our pick. Oklahoma City Thunder who
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: might win the title, are going to get our top
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: ten draft pick. That's what a shit show this season
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: has been. That's the only six Ers point I wanted
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: to make.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: All right, sounds good, Well, we wanted to get into
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: the fact that the Sixers and Flyers, along with Comcast Spectacor,
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: they have agreed on a new arena that's going to
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: be built by twenty thirty one in South Philadelphia. Wanted
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: to give our thoughts about this and the fact that
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: the Sixers abandoned their plans for the Center City Arena,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: and there's also going to be some other stuff in
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: store for the South Philly Sports Complex over the course
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: of these next ten years. The Sixers owners said that
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: they are going to develop a quote, develop a variety
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: of options for the East Market Street site where they
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: initially were going to build the arena. But Eric, I
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: think the fact that they have come to that, and
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: it's really bizarre because Philadelphia City government basically agreed to
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: the East Market Street site and now the plans are
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: abandoned and they're just going to be diving into redeveloping
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: the South Philly Sports Complex area. I personally think we're
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: going to see more redevelopment from a sports perspective, whether
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: it's this particular arena, the new Sixers and Flyers Arena,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: whether it's a new Eagles stadium and site in the
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Navy Yard. I think the Navy Yard is going to
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: see a lot of this redevelopment. We're gonna end up
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: seeing more restaurants. I think, more retail. There's gonna be
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: more shopping, there's gonna be I believe that Philadelphia Union
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: may end up moving from Chester to the South Philadelphia
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: Sports Complex as well. So over the course of the
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: next eight to ten years, we are gonna see some
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: significant development down there. I'm honest, I'm hoping taxpayer money
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: is not going to be involved in it. I know exactly.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: It's laughable, you know. And yes, folks, I'm a Democrat
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: and I'm saying that, so I wonder what it's gonna
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: look like. And I just find it so bizarre, Eric
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: that they were all in on the Center City site
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: and they're like, Okay, forget it. Even though we've got
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: the city government who was on board with us here,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: we're going to do it to abandon it. Something happened,
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: of course, which wasn't gonna make it feasible, whether it
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: was from a sheer infrastructure standpoint or a financial uh standpoint.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: But it's gonna We're gonna We're gonna see some interesting
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: redevelopment at the South Philly Sports Complex site and probably
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: in the Navy Yard in the future.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: Well, I my company, their their home base is actually
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: down in the Navy Yard. It's one of the larger buildings. Yeah,
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: and I was down there three months ago and I
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: was struck by I've been down there in ages. I
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: used to I used to live there. The only time
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: everyon went down to the Navy Yard South Philly. That
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: deep was like like the end of the broad Street
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: run where you'd cross finish line, get a beer, and
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: you head back up north.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: I used to be down at the Navy Yard, an
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: old job that I used to have, I have to have.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: I'd have meetings down there at least once a month
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: or so. It's a fantastic area, but it.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Was kind of like a a wasteland. But now the
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: last time I was down and I'm like, it's hotels
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: down here, restaurants, holy crab. Okay wow. So I'm not
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: surprised that that's going to start to expand south, and
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: I hope it does off of the current reservation they
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: have set up, because it really is like.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Like it's like they're no man's land.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Exfinity Live. It's all concrete parking lot. Just yeah,
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: there's there's no field, no warmth. It's just it's just
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: it's it's a corporation and inspired thing, which is what
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: it completely affected what happened here. I read the story
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: and I was like, this is the most corporate like
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: we have interest here. We are going to butter up
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: the politicians and give you some compensatory uh like response,
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: like a financial response, and you're going to accept this.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: And what really struck out struck to me, struck me
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: was the fact that Brian Roberts, the CEO of of Comcasts,
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: who also owns n B NBC Universal. NBC Universal shows
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: Sixers Games, Flyers Games. They also have NBC which has
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: a deal with the NFL. Roger Goodell was involved with
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: the negotiations, apparently Adam Silver. So this was a flat
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: out like, Okay, Philadelphia, you can't get this figured out.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: We don't want it down there. We want it here
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: where we already have exfinities live, we have this huge complex.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: We want everything here. And I mean Comcast already owns
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: downtown Philadelphia. And I think what happened was they they
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: all like the big corporate heads, came in and said,
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: all right, you can't like this is we don't. This
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: seems shaky to us. We're gonna come in and say,
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: we'll give you new arena down where we have it now.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: We're gonna start to build restaurants and build it up
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: a little bit, get involved in the city, and you
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: know what, We're gonna throw you where Market Street was
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: gonna be. We're gonna we're gonna throw you some some
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: development for the downtown. Yeah, like we'll invest in some stuff. Yeah,
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: you're in city council. Okay, well maybe we'll donate to
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: this this and we'll put some buildings in your district.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: And the slimy, slimy, slimy story, I'm not gonna lie.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: Like I was like, man, this feels like uh like
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: a like a like a movie about like a city,
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: and like corporations come in and just kind of politicians.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: And just when I heard Roder Goodell was involved and
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: the CEO from Comcast, I'm like, why this is a
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: basketball arena? Like that? That jumped out to me. And
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: and then when like the they said they would have
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: you read all the articles, it's like, we'll do some
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: downtown investments and I'm like, what the what does that happen?
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: Like what does it mean? Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, there.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: Already was one. You're gonna get arena for a basketball
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: team downtown, And now like you're just there's just like
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: this nameless empty investments going on downtown. Really weird story
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: but really corrupt sounding and not unlike Philadelphia if you
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: read of the history of like but maybe like as
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: the upside as a fan who has no control over
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: tax dollars and all the good stuff, like maybe maybe
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: down where those arenas are, and maybe in the Navy
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: Yard the expansion, and like some other restaurants and stuff
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: hotels go up, like might be better as a fan,
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: Like I go to Sixers games, and I prefer like
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: parking downtown and taking the subway, yeah, and parking downtown,
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: going to a cool restaurant and then taking the subway
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: to the game and coming right out and going home, yeah,
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: because where everything is there. I don't want to go
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: to Definnielve and have a twelve dollars beer and an
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: eighteen dollars chief steak. Yep, that sucks, right, He's like
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: shit right, and tip and I just spent fifty bucks
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: or whatever it is like that that blows. It's not
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: it's not a good experience. The whole story was just
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: kind of made me feel slimy when I read it.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: It's interesting how you mentioned that, just how how Comcasts
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: basically owns so much of Center City, and it really
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: is a reflection I think of a lot of how
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: can I say this because I don't want to get
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: I don't want to get too political, but what we
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: are starting to see within our country from a national standpoint,
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: and the folks who are in control are going to
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: be in control. Folks who are going to be in charge,
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: the amount of billionaires that are going to be at
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: the top of the helm in our federal government. You
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: can see this happening in various cities, and we're seeing
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: this in Philadelphia specifically with Comcasts. The amount of power
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: that they have as a company and a corporation being
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: able to basically say what they want and tell folks
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: what they are going to do within a community. I
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: don't think it's the healthiest thing in the world without
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: having residents, without having community stakeholders really involved in the process. Now,
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: do I think what they could develop at the South
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: Philadelphia Complex, sports Complex and even the Navy Yard can
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: be good for economic development for enhancing the tax base. Absolutely,
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: I think it can be a good thing. But the
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: decisions that are being made and by the people who
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: are making the decisions, there's something that does kind of
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: stink about it. There's something that's kind of oligarkish in
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: a way, if I can say that, and it's very
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: reflective of where a lot of entities. I don't even
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: want to call them storylines, because we're living it right
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: now in this country where you have powerful business entities
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: who are running the show in certain geographic areas of
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: the United States, and even of course down in Washington,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: we're going to be seeing very soon Oligark. Oligark's show
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: running is what we're going to be seeing.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: And speaking of Oligarks, I didn't hear Josh Harris's name
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: involved in all in this story.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: I did initially, right, initially he was there at the
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: press conference, Yeah, but all I heard was like, Brian Roberts,
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: Roger Goodell, and Adam Silver had a conversation, who are
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: bigger than Josh Harris. He owns the team, but they
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: run the leagues and he runs and Roberts runs comcast
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: in NBC.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: I think, I really think the Sixers or whoever had
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: a deal with Downtown had it, had a good handshake
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: deal with the city council and whatever the city, and
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: then the big guys, the Oligarchs, came in and we're like, nah,
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: I don't know. We Brian Roberts like, I don't know.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: I kind of like what we have down here. We
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: all our teams are down here. Let's keep it down here. Yeah,
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: we don't want to put it downtown because it's gonna
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: be it's hard, Like, you know, it's gonna be a
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: lot of development for the city. And then they were like, yeah,
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: we're not doing that now, but we'll we'll throw some
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: stuff downe yeah. Yeah. And it really feels like one
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: of those just corrupt, gross stories. And I it's gonna
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: suck because you know, the stuff that's going to go
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: down there will not excite someone like me that wants
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: something cool. Yeah, it's gonna be just you're just gonna
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: expand Inxfinity Live and have shitty concerts with like Jelly
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: Roll and ship like that. You know, I don't care
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: about that. And but what's wild to me is like
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: I see the date twenty thirty one. It's twenty twenty five.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: Six years from now.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, six years, Like what are we talking about?
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: A lot longer than six years?
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: It probably will expand past that, But like, I like
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: the fact that they're going to update the get a
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: new arena because the one they have kind of sucks.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: They should definitely go to the like I said earlier,
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: into it place the Clippers. You're gonna have an actual
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: basketball arena. Build a basketball arena, yeah right, yeah, unless
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: you're gonna share it with the hockey team, which sucks.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: But just in terms of like building an arena, I
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: don't know. The whole story is gross and doesn't really
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: make me happy as a six Ers fan. And but
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: what I do imagine I saw the year twenty thirty one,
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: and I'm thinking em beads and b becomes a free
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: on research a free agent in twenty thirty So I
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: guess they're gonna open the new arena with a thirty
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: year old Maxine a forty year old Paul George. Is
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: that what we're that we have to look forward to?
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: Wow, a gray bearded, gray haired Paul George a new arena.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: Yay, just shaking the salt and pepper out of his hair.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: Come on, maybe he'll soy sauce it. He'll yeah, like
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: Trelick Young for the new arena.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: So, by the way, I said soy sauce to somebody
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: a few days ago, we were talking about Ohio State's coach.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: They started, Oh my god, he's ultimate soy saucer.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, gosh, his soy sauce is awful it's terribly.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: He does the cyberns and the beard.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Yes, you can't do that.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: You look absurd. I'm gonna dip my my sushi in
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: there and in your in your in your what you
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: called the soul patch.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, all right, buddy, I gotta let you go
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: before we get to our interview and get into some
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: Flyers talk. Any last and final thoughts before you head
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: out this week.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: Do the Flyers win a Cup before twenty thirty one?
• 45:55
  Speaker 5: Oh?
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: What do you think?
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: They are gonna be aiculously competitive team within the next
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: two years? I think, to be honest with you, if
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: they they gotta get some goaltending, because Kelly and I
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: are gonna get into it. I'm gonna be talking to
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: her about it. The goaltending this year has been one
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: of the biggest surprises in terms of what is awful.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: It is horrendous that it is a perfect tank opportunity
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: for them. Just keep the goaltenders they have. They're gonna
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: they're gonna get a good draft pick if they keep
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: this up. But I think it's possible. I think it's
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: possible they can be in contention.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: So you're saying, no, it's gonna be the same ship
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: for the next six years.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: Maybe the next couple of years. Coupful.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: I swear Pelly Limberg died in like what eighty one? Yeah,
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: never never came to first.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, buddy, I'll let you go. Folks. We
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: are gonna take a quick break to pay some bills.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: We get back. We got, We're gonna get into some
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: Flyers talk. Stick with us, all right, we are back.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: It's getting some Flyers talk. It's what we're throwing down
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: on the table and now on the table. Joining us
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: this week to get into this Philadelphia Flyers team and
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: what they have been doing on the ice. From broad
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: Street Hockey dot Com. I am a subscriber over there.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: They have fantastic content. As always, we have the one
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: and only Kelly Hinkel. How are you, Kelly?
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: I am great, Jeff, how are you doing?
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: I am doing all right. I've been enjoying this Flyers team,
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: watching an interesting season every now and again. We've seen
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: some good stuff from the Flyers this year as well
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: as Look, they've also laid some big fat turds as well.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean we're starting to see here the
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: manifestation of some building blocks for the future. I'm kind
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: of like getting tired Kelly of like using the word rebuild.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna try to like use the phrase manifestation
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: of some building blocks for the future. That's where I'm
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: going with it. So anyway, I just I'm wanting to
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: get your thoughts, your feelings on if you had one word,
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: one word to sum up this Flyer season thus far,
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: at this point in mid January, what would that one
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: word be.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: And why one word was?
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: So I thought a lot about this because picking one
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: single word was it for this team and especially for
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: people like us who never stopped talking.
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: If I had, if I had to pick one, I
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: think I'd say surprising. And Okay, I'm not really surprised
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: about where they are like standings wise. I kind of
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: always anticipated they'd be kind of like a bubble team,
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: mostly because I thought there were a bunch of teams
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: in the Metro that weren't going to be very good,
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: and I thought that would give the Flyers an opportunity
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: to build off what they did last season and you know,
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: maybe sneak into one of those wild card.
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: Spots, but probably be on the bubble. And that's really
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: precisely where they are. But I I kind of saw
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: them getting there in a different way. I think then
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: they have got there. Like I didn't expect the goaltending
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: to be this much of a disaster.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: We're going to get into it, but I don't think
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: any of us. I don't think any of us thought
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: in a million years it would be this.
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: Horrendous no and and if it was better, they wouldn't
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: be a bubble team. They would probably be in one
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: of the wild cards back And I didn't expect like
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: the third, well the third I guess, quote unquote line
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: to be the best line on the team. I didn't
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: expect Rasmus versu Linin to be the second best aventsman
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: on the team. I didn't expect Travis Connectney to continue
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: to be as good as there's just been. Like I
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: kind of thought we would see more of the offense
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: guys take a step forward, Like oh and tip It
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: I thought would be a little bit better than he's been.
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: Tyson Forrester, I thought would be scoring. That's what I
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: was hoping for. I was hoping those guys would step
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: up and that would be the thing that kind of
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: pushed them towards the playoffs. But it's kind of been
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: a mixed bag of things that's getting them there, and
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: that's been a little bit surprising, I think, I.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: Think that's a good word surprising, again, not in terms
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: of where the team is actually at right now, but
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: just certain aspects of the team. Like you talked about
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: that third line and we're we're gonna be get into
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: that in a little bit as well. But you mentioned
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: the goaltending. I do want to get into that with
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: you because last week Len and I we were talking
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: about the goaltending and how terrible it has been. I
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: know that you have been talking about it as well.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: In fact, Charlie Bill and you you've talked about on
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: a phl Y podcast. The guys on Broadstreet Hockey podcast
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: as well have talked about it. It's being talked about everywhere,
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: how bad things have gotten with the goalies in front
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: of the net. And while the average save percentage really stinks.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, I just don't think it's gonna improve anytime
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: soon here. And yeah, we can you know, I always
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: use I love to use this phrase. We can always
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: cry over spilt milk, but what has done is done.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: Carter Hart really screwed this organization and this team, and
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: we're seeing the ramifications of not having that long term,
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: developmental and talented guy in front of the net, So Kelly,
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: after this season, getting an NHL caliber goalie, it's not
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: gonna be the easiest thing in the world to scope out.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: Danny Brier is going to have a tough time. I
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: think personally, maybe you can convince me otherwise, and it's
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: not gonna be a cheap position to address either. So
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: where does this organization go from here in terms of
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: the goalie of the future.
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's kind of an interesting place that they're in
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: because you look at like Carson Bjarnison and Zorragon over
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: in Russia. The two of them seem like they're going
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: to be pretty good goaltenders. Like, obviously goaltending makes no sense.
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: These guys are good one day, they're bad at the
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: next day, Like they could be really good in the
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: AHL the NHL, I don't know. So it's always, you know,
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: a crapshoot, But it seems like they have two guys
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: in Jarnison and Zebragon that in the next two to
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: three years could probably be in a position to start
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: to crack the NHL lineup. So I personally don't don't
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: want to see them go out and you know, spend
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: a lot of assets to try and get a goaltender
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: into trade. I know a lot of people are like,
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: you have to do something right now because it's you know,
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: killing the season. But like, do you because it's kind
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: of like the perfect tank thing, right, Like the guys
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: in front are playing okay, yeah, they're pretty good, and
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: the goaltending is tanking the season. So I mean, is
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: that good? I don't know, it's probably not great, Like
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: you know, for the psyche of the guys in front
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: of it. We're playing really well. We can't win a
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: game because nobody can make a s up. But I
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: wonder if the problem is that they seem to really
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: think that Sam Yerson can be the guy. I'm not
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: convinced that we've seen enough of him to know that
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: for sure, Like if you really think about it, like
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: we've just seen like little tiny bits of him being
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: actually really good, right.
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: We haven't seen that forty forty five game type of.
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: Thing him being bad?
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: Right, it's really bad, and a lot of him being injured,
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: and the injuries are growing injuries, which for a goaltender really,
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: so I do worry that they're like too invested in
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: him being the guy to like turn away from that.
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: But I also don't want them to go out and
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: try to get someone like with Term or someone that
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: makes a lot of money or you know, trading picks
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: or whatever to get a guy like I would rather
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: they just kind of like, as long as they can
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: ride this out and kind of hope maybe it it
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: improves to even just like average or a little bit
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: below average, like Fodotov has been looking a little bit better,
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: So that's promising as far as the backup goes. But
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: I kind of think that given that they didn't get
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: someone this off season, I mean they got off, but
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: they didn't there were a few UFA guys that they
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: could have gotten this offseason to back up Airson that
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: would have been definitely a more dependable choice than a
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: guy from Russia that you've never seen in North America. Ror.
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: It kind of makes me think that they're also like
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: looking two or three years down the road and thinking, Okay,
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: we know this team is not going to be actually
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: competing for at least two or three years. Like they
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: got to get a center, they got to shore up
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: the defense, like Mitchkoff needs to come along. You got
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: to get Luchenko, see if he's a thing. Like there's
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: a lot of moving parts before this team is actually good.
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: And I wonder if they're doing the same thing I'm doing,
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: which is looking two years down the road and being like, Okay,
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: we just need enough band aids to get us through
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: till one of these kids gets over here, and like
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: we're crossing our fingers right that they're going to be
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: as good as they seem like they're going to be.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: I hate the crossing the fingers.
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: I hate it a lot of crossing our fingers. I
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: feel like the whole Flyers organization does a lot of
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: crossing their fingers. It's just one of those things where
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: it's like I, like I said on the phl Y Show,
• 55:05
  Speaker 4: like if you go and get a goalie, like to
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: what end? Yeah, like you have a better goaltender? What
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: are we doing? We're not winning the Stanley Cup? Like
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: if they sneak into the playoffs, are they even winning around?
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: I don't know. So it's like, what's the point of
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: blowing assets that you might be able to use on
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: something else to get a goaltender, just to like what
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: bump you up a few points? Like, what is the point,
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean? Yeah, so I kind of
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: don't want them to do anything.
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: I feel like it takes the oh, I almost use
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: the R word, and I should not use the R word.
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: Like I said, the building blocks of the future. It
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: feels like it may be taking that, I don't know,
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: maybe an extra year or two if they don't address
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: the goalie position. But I'm with you, I'm completely with you.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: If it's tanking this season just by having these goalies
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: in front of the net, then you know what, let's
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: let's let's do that at this point. So I think
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: there's you put it on the scale and it kind
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: of balances itself out. And that's why I'm with you
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: where I would just rather have this quote tank of
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: a season and then see what happens maybe two years
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: from now. That's my r.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: It's just like it's kind of a weird place that
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: they're in because they're not really satisfying the tank people,
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: because team in front of the goalies is a little
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: bit too good to be fully thanking, and they're not
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: really satisfying the people that want them to win because
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: they can't win games because the goalies are bad. So
• 56:30
  Speaker 4: they're stuck in this weird like mushy middle, which I
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: know is the place that makes the Flyers fans the
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: most angry.
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: Yes, but I do.
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: Think that, like the positives of the team in front
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: of the net looking better in spots kind of outweighs
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: the negative of not getting as high of a draft
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: position as you might otherwise.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, Well, let's talk about some of those positives here,
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: because yes, folks, there are positives with this Philadelphia Flyers team.
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about Bobby Brink here. Arguably the most improved
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: player on this team is where a little over a
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: little over midway point of the season. He's on the
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: third line. You mentioned the third line, He and no Kates,
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: no Kates. Yes, they've been fantastic. And with regard to
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: Bobby Brink, he's been the probably one of the best
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: players on this team over the past month here at
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: this point, I mean, he has been true tremendously in
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: terms of his development over the past year. He's such
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: a great facilitator. Kelly, what have you seen with his
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: game that gives you some hope that he may be
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: able to get even better than what we have been seeing,
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: or do you have any concerns with Bobby Brink at
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: this point.
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: So I think, like the big thing with him is
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: he came into this season like he definitely put on
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: some weight, Like he's a little tank. Now, yeah, he's
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: not a big guy, so he's never going to be
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: big big, but he definitely put on some weight, and
• 57:58
  Speaker 4: I think that's kind of helped him, you know, be
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: able to you know, be better along the boards when
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: the puck battles, that kind of stuff that he he
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: was maybe struggling with a little bit before. I think,
• 58:10
  Speaker 4: I Okay, I'm saying this as someone who really likes
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: Bobby Brink, Like I really like him and I want
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: him to be a part of this team, and I
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: have a lot of fun watching him. I'm not sure
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: if he is anything more than like a nice piece,
• 58:27
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean. Like I don't know that.
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: Like I feel like I think Noah Kids is driving
• 58:32
  Speaker 4: that line for sure, because he's been the last like
• 58:36
  Speaker 4: two months just insane, what's going on with him. I
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: also think that that line has benefited from being the
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: one line that John Twrdorella refuses to mess with because
• 58:49
  Speaker 4: it's been good and it's almost like letting guys play
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: together for a while might be a good thing. They
• 58:56
  Speaker 4: develop chemistry, you know, they figure it out and they
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: start playing well together. So Bobby Brink, for me, I
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: would like to see him scoring a little bit more.
• 59:07
  Speaker 4: He had that goal last night last night. Yeah, last night,
• 59:11
  Speaker 4: that was the Columbus game. Whenever people are listening to this,
• 59:15
  Speaker 4: that was great. It was It was great to see
• 59:17
  Speaker 4: him finally get a goal because it's usually Kate's. But
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: I do like that we've seen him take a step forward.
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: You can't deny that he is better than he was
• 59:29
  Speaker 4: last season, and that's important if he's going to find
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: a place on this team, and it really seems like
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: he has. Like if the Flyers are using John Tortorella
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: as like the gauge of who belongs and who doesn't,
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: these three guys, he clearly really likes them. Kate's certain
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: Brink and so that bodes well for Bring's future with
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: the team, and if he could continue to take some
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: steps forward, maybe score a little bit more than he
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: has been because I kind I was kind of hoping,
• 59:58
  Speaker 4: like we were kind of sold like he was going
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: to be our cole call Field, Like we drafted York
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: and Pawfield, but we got this other little guy that's
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: going to score a bunch of goals for us. I
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 4: would like to see a little bit more of the
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: goal scoring, but it's hard to deny the fact that
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: that line has been an absolute joy to watch, and
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: Brink is obviously a big part of that.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. Again, folks, we're talking to Kelly Hinkel from broad
• 1:00:21
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• 1:00:25
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• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: and you should be as well if you are into
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Flyers. Moving along here, we know what Travis
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: Konnecty has done this season. Travis Sandheim has certainly been
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: the best defenseman on this team. I mean, after two
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: seasons ago, it's amazing he's still on the team. I
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: thought Torts was going to get rid of him two
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: seasons ago, met ve Mitchkoff. He's been fun to watch.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: And I'm wondering, Kelly, do you think, or I should say,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: who do you think is the most underrated player here
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: on the Flyers team at this point? Perhaps a guy
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: who really isn't getting too much love, who we should
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: really start honing in on a little bit here.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: So this is definitely a recent development. Okay, this was
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 4: not the case even like a month ago. But Yegor
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 4: Zamula has been pretty good over the last month, Like
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 4: his numbers have been good. He's looked good on the ice,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: and I think a lot of people, like I was,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: was done, Like I was like, all right, I've seen
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 4: enough of Zamola, we know what he is.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: I wrote him off in November.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, let me see please bring me a meil Andre like,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 4: I want to watch him. He seems fun. I want
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 4: to see what he can do. I'm done with the
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: Zamula experiment. Let's move on. But over the last like
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: month or so, he's been he's been pretty good. And
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: I don't think a lot of people are either noticing
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: or talking about it, because I think a lot of
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: people were like us, and we were just like, especially
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 4: after you saw Andre and what he was bringing today ice,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 4: I think it was just like enough with Zimula. So
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 4: I think people just kind of wrote him off, and
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 4: so no one's really noticing that he's playing better. I
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 4: know we're going to talk about him in a second.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 4: But Risto, like as someone who like certified Rasmus, were
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 4: still ligne in hater yeh slash Denier, like I didn't
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 4: want him on this team. I did not like the trade,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: I did not like the contract, Like there was no
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 4: part of me that wanted anything to do with rasmussti
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 4: ligne and last season. In this season, he's been good,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 4: Like he's been arguably the Flyer, second best defenseman this season.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 4: And that's certainly not something that I expected. And I
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 4: think anyone who says they did expect it is probably lying.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, they are lying. I mean, give me, I
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: remember our conversations from just a couple of years ago,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: and we're like, this trade fucking stinks. This trade stinks,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: and he was stinking it up all of a sudden.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. I don't know if
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: the hockey gods, I don't know what it is. Some
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: sort of energy that's going on at the Wells Vargo
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: Center has penetrated his body and gotten him to this point.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: Hockey is weird, Hockey is bizarre. We know that as
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: hockey fans. But I didn't expect this in a million
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: years from from Risto.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 5: No.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 4: And this is one of those things where like we
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 4: weren't wrong before right, he's stunk.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: Yeh, he sunk.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 4: We got him. He's stunk for the first season he
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 4: was here, sdunk when they gave him the extension. Yeah,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 4: like he was bad, Like we weren't wrong about it.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 4: He's just he's just fixed his entire game. I don't
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 4: know if Bradshaw's a wizard or what, but they've fixed
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: him and he's been very good. And I'm not sure because,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: like you were saying, Travis Sandheim has been so good,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure a lot of people are talking about
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 4: Risto being so good as well, and being such a
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 4: steady presence on the defense. Yeah, and I think he deserves,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 4: you know, he deserves a little bit of love for
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 4: it because he's been pretty good and of course stuck him.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 4: You know, it's not so bad that he's like this now.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: Absolutely well, let's get into it. Let's get into some
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: more Risto conversation here, because it seems like Rasmus versus
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: layne In is the top trade candidate at this point
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: here in mid February or I'm sorry, mid January here.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's, like we're talking about he's quietly playing
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: some of the best hockey of his career. But the
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: front office they probably want to clear some cap space.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: So would you agree or do you see another player
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: perhaps or two that could be a top candidate to
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: be traded before the trade deadline? I mean, I think
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: Rasmus versus lane In obviously the top candidate. I think
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: at this point, I don't know what are your thoughts
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: here in terms of the trade deadline? Who might who
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: might be heading out the door?
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 4: So I mean, like I'm with you, Like I feel like,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 4: if you are Danny Brier and you're like actively shopping
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 4: a guy to try to get some assets, yeah, it
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 4: makes sense for it to be him because he's been
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 4: very good. He's very large, he's right handed, like, he's
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 4: all of the things that nhlgms absolutely love. And I
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 4: feel like it's a very easy sell for a team
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 4: heading into the playoffs that needs a little help on defense.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 4: Like look at like, of course you want this guy.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 4: He's huge, he's you know, tough supposedly, although I don't
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 4: really see that from him at all. He's big, you
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 4: know whatever. So I feel like, if you're going to
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 4: actively shop a guy, that's the guy that makes the
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: most sense because and also, as you said, it clears
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: a bunch of cash based off the books. Yep, will
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 4: be a huge help going forward because like, let's be honest,
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 4: he's been really good. He's really good now, but like
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 4: I don't if he reverted back to old Risto, like
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 4: would you be shocked exactly?
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: Like how long is this going to last?
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 4: And then we're stuck with him and that contract for
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 4: you know, who knows how I guess three in the
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 4: next three years.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: Yes, So it would be good to.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 4: Just you know, get some You could probably get a
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 4: nice couple of picks for him. It seems like Joel
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 4: Farrabee and Scott Lawton's names are still kicking around on
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 4: like the national trade boards and the rumors and stuff.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 4: Scott Lawton I've heard a lot rumored like as a
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 4: Leaf's target, Like the Leafs might want a Scott Lawton
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 4: heading into the playoffs, which like why wouldn't they if
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 4: you need some center depth and you need like, you know,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 4: the leadership guy, the you know, the glue guy. But
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 4: I kind of think like the Flyers don't want to
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 4: trade Scott Lawton, and Scott Lawton doesn't want to be traded.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 4: And it seems pretty clear over the last year that like,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 4: while Sean Couturier is the captain, I feel like Scott
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 4: Lawton is like the leader of that locker room, and
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 4: I think it's going to be really tough for the
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 4: Flyers to remove that presence from the team. When they're
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 4: so focused on culture, yes, and the locker room culture
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 4: and what the team means as a whole, it seems
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  Speaker 4: like Scott Lawton is an extremely central part of all
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  Speaker 4: of that, and I think it would be very difficult
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  Speaker 4: to like look at that group of guys and be like,
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  Speaker 4: we're taking away your best friend for like a second
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  Speaker 4: round pick or whatever and sorry.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So I feel like if they were to trade him,
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  Speaker 4: they would have to be overpaid. And I don't know
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 4: that a team would overpay for Scott Lawton. I feel
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  Speaker 4: like he is a nice piece that you would like
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 4: to have for a playoff push, especially if you needed
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 4: some depth, But I don't know that he's a guy
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 4: that you would want to like overpay for. And I
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 4: think the Flyers would need to get a crazy amount
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  Speaker 4: of value in a trade for Scott Lawton for them
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 4: to be able to justify it to themselves and to
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 4: the rest of the team. Farman's interesting because I feel
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 4: like you're selling him at the lowest he's ever been. Yeah,
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 4: right now, Like if you're selling him now, like it's
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 4: not I can't imagine you're going to get great value
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 4: for him. So like, are you just trading him because
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 4: you don't think he fits and you want him off
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 4: the team, so you're just gonna like take whatever you
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 4: can get for him, or is he like I could
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 4: it would make more sense to me if he was
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 4: like part of a larger package to get, like a
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: center or something that would because it does seem like
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 4: Faraby's having a hard time finding his place on this team,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 4: and I feel like John Tortorella only tolerates that for
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 4: so long. Like Towards seems to be the kind of
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 4: guy that wants to find where you slot in his lineup.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 4: He wants to know where you go and what you
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 4: do while you're there. Yeah, and Farby's been all over
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 4: the lineup and he's been given a lot of chances
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 4: to find his game this season and he just hasn't
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 4: done it. And that stinks because when he is good,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 4: he's a lot of fun to watch, but he just
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 4: hasn't been very good this season.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, really quick. Going back to Lawton, Yes, I really
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: think it's important because you and I over the years
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: we've talked about like the good locker room guys, and
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: at times it's like, Okay, they've made a trade or
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: thinking about trading a guy who maybe like a good
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: locker room presence. But I think this is really important
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: with Lawton and where this team is at right now,
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: the building blocks of the future, because there's something to
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: be said for that right now. I don't think they're
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: gonna trade him because of that, you know, Like you said,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: I think he made a great point with regard to
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: you know, Coctoria as a captain, but the real like
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: leadership that is coming from the team is from Scott Lawton,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: and I just don't think that the team is going
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: to do that. And I'm sorry that I interrupted you
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: with regard to Farrabee, but I just wanted to before
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: I forgot I just wanted to bring up the Lawton
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: aspect of us talking about the potential trade with him,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: which I honestly don't think is gonna happen. I hope
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: it doesn't happen because I think he's too integral in
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: terms of that leadership he brings because that's going to
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: be part of this foundational building block puzzle. It's part
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: of the puzzle, and they I think they're gonna need
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: to keep.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: Him, so yeah.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 4: And I mean, like as someone who has like questioned
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 4: this obsession with culture that the Flyers seem to have
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 4: just because it's like, but.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: There's still questions about the culture I think in so
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: many ways, but this is not a question Scott Lawton
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: is not a question in terms of his leadership in
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: terms of building the culture.
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  Speaker 4: But also like you see like Chicago, like, yeah, they
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 4: have Connor Bdard, but like the absolute disaster. They're terrible,
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 4: and like like the tank people like is that what
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 4: you like?
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: Is that?
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 4: Do you think that that's like a good way to
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 4: build a team? Like it remains to be seen if
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 4: they're going to build a good hockey team around Badard.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 4: I'm assuming eventually they figure it out, but like for
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 4: the next three four years, it seems like it's going
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 4: to be pretty bleak. Yeah, in Chicago, And then you
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 4: have the Rangers. Their locker room is an absolute disaster,
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 4: and that's a really talented team that a lot of
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 4: people thought was going to be pushing for the top
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 4: of the Eastern Conference. They're a disaster. That's a culture problem.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 4: You have the Ducks that have a lot of really
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 4: exciting young players, but they seem to hate their coach
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 4: and no one seems to know what they're doing. Culture's
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 4: a mess, Like what's that team going to look like
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: in three or four years? So, like as Tortorella and
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 4: bre Aaron Jones have been doing this culture building, like,
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 4: I'm starting to see like, okay, you know what it
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 4: is important? Yeah, for this to like be a place
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 4: that guys want to play and to be, you know,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 4: an organization focused on winning and not trying to lose.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 4: Like I really do think it makes a difference. So yeah,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 4: I don't think they're going to trade scot A Loton
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 4: just because I don't think that anyone's going to give
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 4: them the price that they would want to take for him.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, A great way to in that particular conversation. But
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: before I let you go, Kelly, and as we're running
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: a little low on time here, I want to get
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: into John Tortorella here. I want to get into how
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: John Tortorella is really handling the development of players as
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: the Flyers are are again looking at future foundational pieces
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: because over a period of time, I mean it's fair,
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: certainly to criticize his frequent line shift, shifting and shuffling
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: and sometimes overly demanding nature, which can be I think
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: disruptive to the team and to the guys in the
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: locker room again from time to time, But I think
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: we've also seen some motivational aspects of his coaching playing
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: a positive role with some of the talent on this team.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: So how would you assess John Tortorella, how he's been
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: handling his coaching duties and how it may translate to
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: future success for this Flyer's team.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 4: So I do think he's done a really good job
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 4: laying this foundation that we were just talking about. I
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 4: don't think that you can deny the fact that he
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 4: has built a team that works hard, plays for each other,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 4: all that kind of stuff, And I do think that
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 4: he I don't think he's a bad coach. I just
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 4: I'm starting to wonder if like he's done his job
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 4: yes here and like maybe it's time for him to
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 4: like move upstairs to the front office or take some
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 4: other kind of role that's not being the guy behind
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 4: the bench, Because.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: I I I wonder like sometimes about his uses of miatchkough,
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 3: Like if I see a power play without Matve Mietchkoff
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 3: on it, I'm like, like, what are we doing here?
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 4: Like, what are we doing? He should be on every
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 4: power play, he should start every three on three overtime,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 4: Like this is this kid. If any of this is
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 4: gonna work, this kid has to be the cornerstone of
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 4: all of it. So I want to see the most
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 4: of him, and I want him to have the most
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 4: opportunity to figure out his game in the NHL. And sometimes,
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 4: you know, I'm looking at him getting eight minutes of
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 4: ice time or eleven minutes of ice time or something,
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 4: and I'm like, what are like, what are we doing here?
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 4: And and so I do kind of wonder if, like
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 4: maybe it's time to transition to more of like a
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 4: player's coach, like a guy that understands like everyone's dream
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 4: coach at this point is David Carl Yeah yeah, So
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 4: I mean, like that would be amazing, But I don't
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 4: know how you're going to pry that guy away from
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 4: the cushy situation that he now.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: Like I feel really quick, I feel like we've gotten
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: better than we initially thought from John Tortorella, but that
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: it's only going to be able to go so far,
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: and it probably has gone as far as it probably
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: can go with the current situation where it is.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, Like I said, I feel like he's done
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 4: his job here, and he did a very good job.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 4: But I do wonder if it's not time to transition
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 4: into like the next stage of the game. I don't
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 4: know what that is, but I do start to wonder
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 4: because you know, Towards seems to have a three four
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 4: year shelf life, like that seems to be it for him, yep,
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 4: and we're getting there, So I don't know, but I
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 4: think it's going to have to be his decision, Like
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 4: I don't think unless things start to go really really
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 4: bad and he like completely loses the room Brian Jones
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 4: asking him to stop coaching. Yeah, so it'll be interesting
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 4: to see what happens. But I do think he's done
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 4: his job here. I think it's it's been an overall
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 4: positive experience, the John Totorrell experience, but I am starting
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 4: to think that maybe we're reaching the end of the
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 4: useful life of it.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: Great way into the conversation again, folks, Kelly Hankle from
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: Broadstreet Hockey dot com. You can follow her on the
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: Twitter slash x at Hanks h I n X. She's
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: also over on Blue Sky too. I know a lot
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: of us have been over on Blue Sky every now
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: and again trying to get some cool conversations.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 4: Go.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: So you're you're over there at Hanks as well, right,
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: h I n X. Yes, it's such a great handle.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: I told you that so many years ago. I freaking
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: love it. It's simple, it's simple, it's four letters. It's great.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I love it all right, Kelly, thank you
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  Speaker 1: so very much for taking the time. Let's talk again
• 1:15:52
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