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Encountering God Who Wants to Redeem Your Past with Micah Davis & Biblical Identity and Sexual Wholeness with Gary Ingraham · Karl and Crew

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S1: Broadcasting from Chicago, across North America and beyond. It's Carl
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S2: And you're forfeiting your soul. There's no amount of gain
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S1: Now, from the call of Hope Studios, this is Carl
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S1: and Crew. Welcome aboard. It is Freedom Week coming off
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S1: this one through this week. Uh, you know, when you
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S1: look at 250 years of a nation. Uh, freedom is
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S1: one of the key words, man. I mean, that's what
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S1: sets our nation apart from almost any nation in the world.
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S1: I mean, freedom of speech, some of the stuff that
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S3: That's true.
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S1: It's really true. It's really true. Uh, but one of
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S1: the great dangers with freedom is that we misunderstand how
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S1: to use it, especially in the spiritual realm. And yesterday
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S1: we were tackling this reality that sometimes we're free and
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S1: we don't know it. I mean, it's like blaze. Love
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S1: this guy. It's leash popped out of my hand and
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S1: that handle was bouncing along the the asphalt. And he
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S1: heard something behind him. And I'm just going, whoa. And, uh,
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S1: gingerly walk up, grab that handle. And he's looking at
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S1: me like I missed an opportunity, didn't I? In, in
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S1: a in a very real sense, yeah, he did, he
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S1: could have boogied. He could have headed off and gone
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S1: his own way. Thankfully he didn't. But on a positive side,
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S1: we are off the chain when it comes to condemnation.
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S1: And yet we find ourselves sometimes stepping in it as
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S1: followers of Christ and we can get stuck in a
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S1: shame loop. Now, one of the greatest dangers with shame
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S1: is that it gets us thinking I'm a loser. I'll
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S1: never be okay. It becomes our identity. And I've seen
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S1: this in a couple of different ways. So let me
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S1: just take men that cheat on their wives here. How
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S1: about that to open our our. Let's just take men
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S1: that cheat on their wives. What do you guys imagine
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S1: are a couple different responses that I get from that?
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S3: Oh, man. Uh, that coincide with shame. Yeah, man. Uh. well,
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S3: I'll never earn this trust back again, so not why
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S3: even try? But but I it's just not possible for
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S3: me and living in that kind of mentality of, of
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S3: maybe even subconsciously not trying and not working towards earning
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S3: trust back because you've shamed yourself into thinking it's not
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S3: coming back ever. Yeah.
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S1: Yeah. And that can leave you hopelessly stuck, right?
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S3: Yeah. 100% leaves us feeling, I mean, it leaves us
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S3: completely impotent because we're not tapping into the redemptive work
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S3: of Jesus.
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S1: Totally. What do you say, super day?
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S4: There's probably shame in a couple of factors of the
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S4: fact that, you know, it'll never go back to what
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S4: it was. They'll never forgive me. This this whole relationship
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S4: will never be reconciled. But then also to being in
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S4: that pit of shame, Satan attacks the enemy, attacks even harder.
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S4: And it's like, well, it's not my shame. I, you
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S4: know that you turning it around. It wasn't my fault.
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S4: It was their fault. Or if they hadn't done that,
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S4: I wouldn't have done that. So you're not owning it.
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S4: You're not in that place of owning it and true repentance.
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S1: Yeah. Okay.
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S3: Beautiful big one.
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S1: You guys hit both sides of the high ridge of
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S1: How to Handle shame. You guys nailed it. Because one
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S1: side of shame says. And I'm dealing with this with
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S1: someone right now. I'm a loser and I'm stuck. And
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S1: I'll be forever branded this way. And there's no way
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S1: God can use me again. That's one voice of shame.
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S1: And ironically, the other one is I'm going to kind
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S1: of get out of my shame by. Blaming someone else
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S1: for why I even got here. You nailed it. Super.
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S3: Yeah. It's the it's the response of Adam in the garden.
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S3: You can tell in my mind, I don't it doesn't
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S3: say shame specifically in the Bible, but I can tell
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S3: he was going through shame because he was afraid and
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S3: he hid. He felt a level of shame.
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S1: You can absolutely tell he's in shame. Yeah, he tried
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S1: to hide from God. Where are you, Adam? He knew
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S1: where he was.
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S3: Yeah, of course he did. But then as.
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S1: Soon as here. I'm the guy behind the fig leaf
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S1: that can barely cover me up.
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S3: But as soon as he gets confronted where he has
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S3: to have a response towards it, he blames. He blames Eve,
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S3: and he blames God in one sentence. And, and it's
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S3: a feeling of this shame is too great for me.
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S3: I'm gonna fight it. I'm not gonna crumble underneath it.
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S3: I'm gonna fight the shame and say it's not my fault.
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S1: Yeah, man, it's two sides of this thing. I'm telling you,
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S1: this high Ridge principle, guys, I find it everywhere in
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S1: the Scripture. And when it comes to adultery, the reason
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S1: I like to talk about that was, well, Jesus did
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S1: in John eight, and there was a woman that was
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S1: caught in adultery. So did she have adultery? Did she
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S1: have an adulterous relationship? Oh yes she did. It's not
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S1: a trick question. She did. She did. So she did.
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S1: And what does Jesus say? Anyone remember? What does he
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S1: say to that woman?
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S3: He says, uh, where are those who were going to
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S3: condemn you? I'm paraphrasing a little bit. And then they said,
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S3: they're not here, Lord. And he said, well, neither do
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S3: I condemn you. Now go and sin no more.
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S1: Now go and sin no more. In in one fell swoop.
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S1: What did he say? Don't be marked and identified by
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S1: being a peddler, by sleeping around on your husband. Don't
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S1: be marked and identified that by that. And go and
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S1: don't diddle anymore.
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S3: Those are the. It's it's it's one and the same.
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S3: They are connected. And I think we talked with drew
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S3: Dick about this yesterday with the, the, the brain science
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S3: of the feeling of a fresh start when you realize
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S3: that you are not condemned by God and you have
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S3: received a fresh start by him, it gives us a
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S3: new feeling and it's a Holy Spirit powered thing to
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S3: go and sin no more. We are actually empowered to
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S3: find freedom in him because of the lack of condemnation
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S3: that exists for us.
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S1: Boom. So there's this is another classic case where you
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S1: can fall off on both sides of this thing in
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S1: Jesus buttoned it up in one thing, hey, look, where
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S1: are those that are condemned? Yeah, okay. All those guys,
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S1: they have sin too. Don't get stuck here. I don't
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S1: condemn you. Now go and sin no more. He doesn't
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S1: say I don't condemn you. It's like dysfunctional parenting, dysfunctional
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S1: parents go, oh, Johnny, you didn't mean to. No, Johnny did.
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S3: He meant to.
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S1: Yeah, Johnny.
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S5: Did, he did.
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S1: He's an idiot. Johnny's an idiot. We've all raised Johnny's.
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S1: We all are. Johnny's? Yes. So. No. Johnny. Yeah, you
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S1: did it. It doesn't have to mark you, but don't
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S1: go do that again. Yeah. How awesome is this, man?
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S3: Oh, man, it's so good.
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S1: It's so.
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S3: Relevant. It's so relevant to us.
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S1: So I don't know what you're stuck in today, but
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S1: I know this. You are not forever marked by it.
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S1: No way, no how. No. And you know what Jesus says,
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S1: don't go do it again. Both.
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S3: And that's a beautiful, beautiful thing. We often take the
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S3: the go and sin no more part and attach that to, well,
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S3: I must be being shamed right now. That's not true.
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S1: Because what he said earlier.
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S3: Because of what he said. I am not shaming you.
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S3: I am not condemning you for your actions. Yet I
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S3: desire so much more for you. Now walk in freedom
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S3: into that.
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S5: Yeah.
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S1: And don't, don't, don't go on the wild side and
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S1: don't go on the condemnation side.
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S3: Mhm.
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S1: Let's just get up on this high ridge and walk.
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S3: And it's so much better there.
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S6: He was running from God, but God's love brought him home.
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S6: Carl is in the crew. It's Carl and crew on
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S6: Moody Radio.
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S1: So when it comes to shame, we've already concluded by
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S1: John eight. If you didn't hear that, get the show
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S1: cast six show to 800 555, 78, 98. Because we
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S1: just broke it down briefly. It's real cool passage woman
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S1: caught in adultery. What did Jesus say to her? Guys,
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S1: what did he say?
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S3: I do not condemn you. Now go and sin no more.
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S1: Now go and sin no more. So there's no condemnation
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S1: for those who are in Christ Jesus. And don't dink
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S1: around like that anymore. Don't cheat on your husband. What?
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S1: How practical is.
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S3: That? It's beautiful.
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S1: But what's it look like in everyday life? Micah Davis,
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S1: a young guy man in Indianapolis. He's doing it right.
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S1: And he's got a heart for this. And he ministers
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S1: in an area where people can, like everyone, get stuck
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S1: in a shame cycle. Like, I'll never get out of
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S1: this or begin to kind of go, yeah, I'm going
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S1: to use God's grace to go out here and padiddle again.
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S1: Hang on. Micah Davis, straight ahead.
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S6: Take your next step with Jesus. Today you're listening to
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S6: Carl and crew.
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S1: All you got to do is crack open the word.
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S1: You go to John eight and here's what you find.
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S1: Uh oh. Woman caught in adultery. All right. That's right.
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S1: She cheated on her husband. Bunch of religious zealots. Trot
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S1: her out. Jesus. By way of some profound. We can't
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S1: break into it right now, but with some profoundly wise conviction,
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S1: whittles away on her accusers to the point where he says, look,
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S1: there's no one standing here any longer. I don't condemn you.
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S1: But he says this as well. Go and sin no more.
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S1: I got a guest right now, Mike Davis. He's pastor
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S1: of Teaching and vision at the Sanctuary in Indianapolis, Indiana.
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S1: And I know enough about this guy to know he's
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S1: the real deal. Mike, I want to begin right here
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S1: with this John eight passage. The interesting thing is, and
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S1: I'm so glad Jesus used adultery because with that one,
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S1: it's kind of a sin that can pigeonhole you. You
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S1: can live with, I'm a marked adulterer the rest of
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S1: my life. Jesus said, no, I, I don't condemn you.
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S1: I'm not condemning you. But he also says this go
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S1: and sin no more. And it seems like we fall
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S1: off on two sides of this. You know what I mean, Mike?
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S1: It's either like, oh, I'm stuck in this shame cycle
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S1: or we find excuses to keep dipping our toe into
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S1: the sin that we were in. What do you say, Micah?
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S7: Yeah. You know, that story in John eight is really
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S7: fascinating for a couple of reasons. You know, backing up
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S7: all the way. Why is the woman brought out? Where's
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S7: where's the man? You know, adultery takes.
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S8: Two to tango. Yeah. Yeah. You know, so.
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S7: There's already like a, an interesting aspect to that story.
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S7: But the second piece in that, in that John eight passage,
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S7: it says, starting with the oldest, they dropped their stones
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S7: and walked away. And I've always found that really fascinating
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S7: because I wonder if there's a connection tied to wisdom.
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S8: Wisdom.
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S7: Length of years lived and, you know, number of sins
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S7: that someone has done over the course of their life.
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S7: You know, maybe the light bulb went on the quickest
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S7: for the oldest there, but it's a really interesting passage
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S7: of both truth and grace, as you mentioned, that Jesus, uh,
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S7: mentions to the woman woman who has condemned you and
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S7: she says, no one, sir. And then he finishes with
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S7: that beautiful line, go now and leave your life of sin.
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S7: And I think that's the journey of forgiveness. It's offering
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S7: both truth and grace. It's not sidestepping what's been done wrong,
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S7: but it's also not holding that person in a prison
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S7: of offense for the rest of their life, either.
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S1: Yeah. And you can look at this practically and maybe
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S1: understand it a little bit more. If you just look
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S1: at parenting, you find the parent that, uh, kid screws
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S1: up and dad says, you screwed up, you are a
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S1: screw up. And that's just who you are, right? And
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S1: those words echo with us forever. And then you find
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S1: a parent that goes, oh, my Johnny can do no wrong.
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S1: You know, everything's good here. And but those are two
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S1: dysfunctional sides of this high ridge of what really a
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S1: shame free life looks like. Micah, what do you think?
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S7: That's right. Absolutely. You know, I think this is so
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S7: beautifully demonstrated, actually, all the way back in the Garden
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S7: of Eden. Most people don't catch this, that after Adam
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S7: and Eve sinned, they're hiding. And God asks that age
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S7: old question, where are you? And most people think that
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S7: that question is being asked in a sort of like, gotcha.
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S7: Oh goodness, here comes God type of way. But I
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S7: see that question more through the lens of curiosity. Like
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S7: beyond that, he says, where are you? And then when
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S7: they step out, he says, who told you that you
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S7: were naked? It's this, you know, this father whose heart
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S7: is broken like, oh, who who told you? And then
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S7: the very next line we read this, that God clothed
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S7: Adam and Eve. Most scholars believe it's actually the very
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S7: first animal sacrifice that takes place. The Hebrew word there
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S7: is cojones. It represents it's the same word that Jacob
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S7: actually closed Joseph with with his, uh, multi-colored robe. It's
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S7: this beautiful, ornate skin that God clothes. And so even
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S7: in that aspect, God is locating the human beings. Where
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S7: are you come out from your life of sin. But
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S7: he's also clothing them in righteousness and forgiveness. And I
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S7: think that's what any good parent does.
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S1: Wow. You know what? You're bringing up something that I
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S1: had never heard, and I thought I'd heard it on
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S1: that creation account. Your contention, Micah, is that that that's
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S1: not a disrobing of Adam. Like, who told you, buddy?
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S1: Come on. It's a hold it here. You screwed up.
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S1: It's it's already a restoration process. Beginning there is what
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S1: you believe, right, Micah?
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S7: That's right. Absolutely. In that passage, we see God already
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S7: working out his redemption narrative. Of course, you know, right
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S7: after that comes the curse for, uh, that the ground
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S7: and over the snake. But that's where that prophecy is given.
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S7: You know, that he will strike your heel, but you
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S7: will crush his head. And that's the redemption story already
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S7: starting out right there in Genesis three.
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S1: Micah Davis, my guest right now teaching pastor and pastor
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S1: of vision at the sanctuary, looks like, man, you got
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S1: a multicultural kind of ministry going on, don't you, my friend?
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S7: We do. Yeah. We'll celebrate three years as a church
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S7: and actually in just a few months. And so God's
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S7: been really kind. We started with 11 people in our neighborhood.
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S7: And over the last couple of years, God has brought
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S7: together this beautiful contingent of sinners, saints and skeptics alike
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S7: to learn how to practice the way of Jesus together
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S7: for the sake of the world around us.
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S1: That's so sweet. Let's stay on this because you've written
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S1: on it extensively and I love the title Three Strikes
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S1: You're Forgiven. I, I think that people get grace after
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S1: the first strike, and I think they might get Grace
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S1: after the second strike. But I think we begin to
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S1: not get Grace any longer after the third strike. Speak
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S1: to that, Micah.
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S7: Yeah. I mean, it's the age old axiom, you know,
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S7: fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice. Shame
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S7: on me. Notice there's no fool me three times, right?
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S8: Right.
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S7: And so whether we realize it or not, we are
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S7: culturally conditioned to believe three strikes. You're out. And I
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S7: think that's what's so, so beautiful that, you know, Peter
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S7: comes before Jesus and says, Lord, how many times shall
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S7: I forgive my brother? Seven times. And that that number
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S7: seven is very symbolic in the scriptures. We don't have
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S7: time to get into all of it. But essentially Peter's
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S7: being a bit of a teacher's pet here. He's saying, Lord,
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S7: you know, in that culture, even the rabbis would teach
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S7: that three, three strikes, you're out that three times you
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S7: could offer forgiveness. And so Peter doubles. That adds one
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S7: and gives the holy number seven, seven times, Lord. And
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S7: of course, Jesus says no 77 times or 70 times seven,
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S7: depending on your translation and this repetitive call for forgiveness.
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S7: It's not literal. It's symbolic to basically say, hey, God
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S7: has established unending, undeserving grace on you. In turn, you
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S7: are to give undeserving, unending grace to your brother or sister.
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S1: So let's talk to someone right now who let's just
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S1: let's just go through a few of the big boys.
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S1: Then some of them don't get identified, but, uh, adultery
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S1: with someone. All right. Um. Addiction repetitive. And they've promised
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S1: God 49 gazillion times, I'm not going to drink anymore. Uh,
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S1: I'm not going to smoke dope. Uh, gossipers. And there's
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S1: a lot that don't get pricked at a conscious level
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S1: with that, but there's some that listen right now that go, yeah,
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S1: I am a chronic, I am a like serial gossiper
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S1: to the person who feels like I'm in this funky
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S1: pattern of sinning. And for a lot of people, they're
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S1: just living out family history or peer peer history, right?
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S1: I mean, they've, they've got this the flesh, the sarx,
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S1: they've got this old man that although we have new
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S1: freedom in Christ, that old, those old patterns still need
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S1: to be broken. Micah. Yeah. Give some hope to the
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S1: person who feels like I'm a repeat offender. I suck
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S1: at this thing.
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S7: Yeah, yeah. You know, I think it's Pete Scudero Who says,
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S7: Jesus may live in your heart, but grandpa lives in
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S7: your bones. I think that's.
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S8: Such a that is so good.
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S7: And so that is the truth, Carl, that, um, you know,
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S7: it's often the sins of our past that that often
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S7: most trigger us in the present. And so how do we,
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S7: how do we handle that? What do we do? I
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S7: think it's important to recognize, um, one of my mentors
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S7: says it this way. Forgiveness is a solo sport. Reconciliation
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S7: takes two to tango. And so if you find yourself
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S7: sort of in like the victim aspect of this relationship,
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S7: you know, to use your iterations if, if someone has
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S7: cheated on you or if they lied repetitively to you,
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S7: I think it's important to note that, um, you know,
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S7: forgiveness can be instant, but trust in healing takes time.
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S7: And so just because you forgive someone just because you're
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S7: releasing them. And that's what Jesus says, that even if
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S7: your brother sins against you seven times in a day,
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S7: you must forgive them. What he's not saying is that
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S7: you should be ignorant to the fact that they are
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S7: continually sinning, and open yourself up to being continually sinned against.
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S7: What he's saying is if they repent, that's the qualifier there.
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S7: If they come to you and they're broken and they say,
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S7: I'm sorry, then the impetus is to forgive them. But
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S7: that doesn't mean that you have to trust them with
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S7: your bank account or with your Social Security number or
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S7: with your children, right? Like there are implications regarding these
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S7: really complex relationships. But if you find yourself on the
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S7: other end and maybe you're the perpetrator, again, it's just
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S7: remembering that there is grace upon grace. You know, the
19:49
S7: Apostle John says in first John one that if we
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S7: confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive
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S7: us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. That's
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S7: the beauty of the gospel. That's the profound hope that
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S7: we have, that in the end, we all will be
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S7: welcomed to the great resurrection feast that's described in revelation 21,
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S7: that we will all be welcomed to the table of
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S7: reconciliation together.
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S1: Yeah, I love it. Mikey Davis, my guest right now.
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S1: I want to go after this a little bit. Um,
20:16
S1: I find a lot of people kind of have an
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S1: old Sunday school approach to forgiveness and that is you
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S1: just forgive everyone forgetting the fact that it's a it's
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S1: a real relational term. And it. In fact, people say, well, well,
20:29
S1: God forgave us. Well, he only forgives the repentant. The
20:33
S1: truth be told, he only forgives the repentant. So how
20:37
S1: do we be in waiting for someone that has sinned
20:42
S1: against us? And how do. How do we be in
20:47
S1: waiting in a way that keeps us healthy and not bitter?
20:52
S7: It's a great question. You know, I heard recently one
20:55
S7: of my mentors preached on Matthew 18, and he preached
20:58
S7: on it in a way that I hadn't heard before.
21:00
S7: If you're familiar with Matthew 18, it's the idea of,
21:03
S7: you know, how do we reconcile with someone who sinned
21:05
S7: against us? And so the gist of it, for those
21:07
S7: who aren't familiar, is you go to them 1 to 1.
21:09
S7: If they don't repent, then you bring another, you know,
21:11
S7: 2 or 3 witnesses. If they don't repent, you bring
21:13
S7: it to the elders and the church and you share
21:16
S7: their sin publicly. And if they still don't repent, you
21:18
S7: cast them out. That's sort of what the scriptures imply.
21:21
S7: And my my mentor, when he was teaching on this,
21:23
S7: he said, you know, how does God treat prodigals? How
21:26
S7: does he treat people who have been cast out, who
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S7: have been cast aside? He goes after them. He's the
21:32
S7: great shepherd who leaves the 99 sheep and goes after
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S7: the one. And so I think for those of us
21:36
S7: who are waiting, I've always read and interpreted that passage
21:40
S7: as I'm supposed to forget about them. I'm supposed to
21:43
S7: not forgive them. I'm supposed to be bitter towards them.
21:45
S7: But actually I've been challenged to think, no, I'm actually
21:48
S7: supposed to pray for that person. I'm supposed to pray
21:51
S7: and ask God that he would wake that person up
21:53
S7: and bring them back to repentance. Repentance. Metanoia literally means
21:57
S7: to turn around that, like the prodigal son, they would
21:59
S7: be sitting in the field with the pigs, and they
22:01
S7: would wake up, come to their senses, and want to
22:04
S7: return home. And when they make that decision, uh, we
22:08
S7: welcome them with open arms as the, as the father
22:10
S7: of the prodigal son did.
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S1: Yeah, I, I love that, Mike. I think you're right on.
22:15
S1: I think we throw around forgiveness pretty willy nilly, not
22:19
S1: recognizing that the forgiveness that we're called to extend is
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S1: relational in nature. And it requires someone coming to us saying,
22:29
S1: I messed you up. Would you forgive me for this?
22:32
S1: And waiting for that? Not in bitterness, but reaching out.
22:36
S1: I love that. I think that's a hot take on that.
22:38
S1: Mike Davis, my guest. Guys, I got to tell you something.
22:41
S1: He has got a brand new workout that is dynamite.
22:44
S1: It's called three strikes. You're forgiven. Encountering a God who
22:48
S1: wants to redeem your past, restore your present, and transform
22:53
S1: your future. I'm going to give a key word here
22:55
S1: in a moment. But, Mike, give us give us a word,
22:59
S1: one word to someone right now who feels like I
23:02
S1: am hopelessly stuck in patterns. You guys don't know how
23:06
S1: stuck I am. And whether it's pornography, whatever. What do
23:10
S1: you say to him, Micah?
23:12
S7: Yeah. You know, I think a great place as we
23:14
S7: land the plane here is to think about. We talked
23:17
S7: about First John, that if we confess our sins, he
23:19
S7: is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and
23:21
S7: to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. So we confess our
23:24
S7: sins to God, and in return, God forgives us, mercifully
23:26
S7: cleanses us to return into right relationship with him. That's
23:29
S7: the gospel. That's a beautiful paradigm of relationship with God.
23:32
S7: But the Apostle James puts it this way. He says,
23:35
S7: therefore confess your sins to one another and pray for
23:39
S7: one another, so that you may be healed. For the
23:41
S7: prayer of a righteous person is both powerful and effective.
23:43
S7: And I want to note that distinction here. Carl John
23:46
S7: writes that if we confess our sins, presumably to God,
23:48
S7: he is faithful to forgive us. Right? Right. But James
23:51
S7: writes that if we confess our sins to one another,
23:54
S7: we are healed. And I believe that's really intentional because
23:57
S7: in our privatized, individualized, hyper therapeutic way of life, many
24:01
S7: of us are walking around forgiven but wounded. We're wholly
24:04
S7: but hurting because we've normalized confession to God in private,
24:08
S7: but have avoided confession to one another in public at
24:10
S7: all costs. And in doing so, I believe that we're
24:12
S7: missing out on opportunities to discover healing and reconciliation and restoration.
24:17
S7: And so to anyone who finds themselves in that place today,
24:20
S7: I would encourage them to find just one trusted person.
24:24
S7: It could be your pastor. It could be a counselor,
24:26
S7: it could be a friend or a family member. And
24:28
S7: be honest with them. Confess your sins so that you
24:31
S7: may be healed, because what is not named God will
24:34
S7: not heal.
24:35
S8: Amen.
24:36
S1: This is powerhouse Mikey Davis, first time with us here
24:39
S1: with Carl and crew, and we're going to get him
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25:03
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25:07
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S1: Yeah. I want to just do a quick banner ad
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S1: here that I feel this even more than I ever
25:19
S1: have in the past. We've got something coming up a
25:21
S1: year from now, and I know it's a big investment,
25:24
S1: but sometimes investing in your soul is a good move.
25:29
S1: I want you to think about that for a moment.
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S1: I want you to think about what we're going to
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S1: tell you about here a year from now as an
25:35
S1: investment in your soul. I do believe, and I've seen
25:40
S1: it happen in my own life and in many others,
25:43
S1: that when you really get away and get saturated in
25:49
S1: the truth of God's Word, and in this case, take
25:51
S1: in the beauty of God's creation, change the rhythms of
25:54
S1: life that have had you stuck in certain patterns over
25:57
S1: and over again. Sometimes the greatest thing you can do
26:01
S1: is have an extended time, a day or two or
26:05
S1: a week where you go, boy, I want to get
26:08
S1: I want to get free from something. I want to
26:11
S1: walk in greater dependence on God. I want to have
26:14
S1: a fresh revolution in my heart where I love the
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S1: Lord my God with all my heart, my soul, my mind,
26:21
S1: and my strength. Mark 1230. I want you to reframe
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S1: a cruise to Alaska in that way, because Michael, Ray, Dominik,
26:29
S1: and myself were going to be busting open the Word
26:31
S1: of God. Micah Tyler is going to be leading worship,
26:34
S1: and I want you to invest in your spiritual life.
26:37
S1: I know it's a chunk, I get that, but I
26:40
S1: want you to consider it at least. And it's a
26:42
S1: year from now. Give us the details. Super day. What are.
26:45
S4: They? Yeah, those dates are June 5th through the 12th
26:48
S4: of 2027, June 5th through the 12th. And write powerful
26:52
S4: preaching times of worship. You've got Carl with his wife,
26:55
S4: Doctor Michael Rudnick, his wife, as well as Carl just mentioned,
26:58
S4: Micah Tyler will be leading the worship, all with the
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S1: Yeah. Really cool. I look forward to seeing you. I
27:25
S1: know not everybody can get there for lots of reasons,
27:27
S1: but consider taking a bite and really investing in yourself.
27:35
S1: And I know that sounds wild, but I really mean
27:38
S1: that taking some time to invest in your spiritual life
27:41
S1: and get in a way to get it together could
27:44
S1: be incredibly powerful. The word is cruise to 805, five, five, 78, 98. Well,
27:52
S1: coming up, we are tackling this issue of shame, and
27:55
S1: there's freedom on the other side of this for you
27:58
S1: and those you love.
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S6: Hang on your shot of hope to get you through
28:02
S6: the day.
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S4: You are so, so loved. God does not want you
28:06
S4: to stay in your past. And I want you to
28:08
S4: know and believe that today.
28:10
S6: You're listening to Carl and crew.
28:12
S1: One of the heartbreaks in our culture today is that
28:14
S1: people are shocked into thinking, I'll never change, or I'm
28:20
S1: marked by that, or they look at what they're in
28:24
S1: and they find justification for it. They say, I'm going
28:28
S1: to stay in it. What happens when a guy says,
28:32
S1: I'm not gay? I am a child of God. I
28:39
S1: know my identity. What happens when someone who is transgender says, boy,
28:49
S1: forgot who I really was? But Jesus has set me free.
28:53
S1: Can people really get free from that kind of shame?
28:57
S1: And how do we minister to people? And some of
29:00
S1: you right now are going, Carl. That's my kid. Carl.
29:04
S1: That's my brother, Carl. That's my sister. How do we
29:09
S1: live in such a way that we cast a vision
29:13
S1: for a shame free and future sin free life for
29:17
S1: people with homosexuality, with messed up sexual identity. How do
29:25
S1: we do that? We're going to meet it head on
29:27
S1: with Gary Ingram straight ahead.
29:29
S6: Standing on the rock each and every day. You're listening
29:34
S6: to Carl and Crew.
29:35
S1: Well, one of the, uh, like the untouchable discussion of
29:39
S1: the day is what do I do if I'm gay
29:43
S1: or what do I do if I've, I've lost clarity
29:47
S1: about my sexual identity. We're bold enough here to go
29:51
S1: after those topics. And we've got an expert with us today,
29:54
S1: Gary Ingram. He's the founder with his Bride of Love
29:59
S1: and Truth Network. But believe it or not, boom crew.
30:02
S1: It's a national ministry that equips pastors and leaders to
30:05
S1: help restore relational and sexual wholeness and biblical identity. Wow, Gary,
30:12
S1: you got a calling to some tough issues, don't you,
30:14
S1: my man?
30:15
S9: Well, in many ways, yes, but also a lot of
30:18
S9: joyful issues. It's amazing to see how lives can be changed.
30:21
S9: And that's what God did for me. So love giving
30:24
S9: it back.
30:25
S1: I love this man. I gotta tell you something, Gary.
30:28
S1: I was raised in a time when people weren't talking
30:32
S1: about this stuff, and I had a dear friend when
30:35
S1: I was in high school, and her brother, uh, was
30:39
S1: my friend as well. And he struggled with his sexuality
30:45
S1: big time. And he got victory. But it was on
30:49
S1: his deathbed here in Chicago. But my folks were holding
30:53
S1: him in their arms. And it's a beautiful story, but
30:58
S1: there wasn't a place for my friend John to process
31:02
S1: any of that back in the day. How are we
31:06
S1: doing on that right now in the church today?
31:09
S9: Yeah, so that's a beautiful story and I'm sure a
31:12
S9: painful story. And those things are not mutually exclusive. Right? So.
31:15
S8: Right.
31:15
S9: Uh, yeah. So what you were talking about, uh, it
31:18
S9: was kind of my experience as well. There wasn't much
31:21
S9: room for that. And unfortunately, now the pendulum has swung
31:25
S9: so far the other direction. You know, we have professional
31:28
S9: organizations that would love to make it illegal for counselors
31:32
S9: and others to even broach the topic that somebody's coming
31:36
S9: to them, uh, bringing their right of self-determination and saying,
31:40
S9: you know, I experienced same sex attraction. I'm dealing with
31:42
S9: gender dysphoria. I don't believe this is what God has
31:45
S9: for me. I don't want it for my own life.
31:47
S9: I would love your help in so many organizations, so
31:49
S9: many political organizations too, would love to make that illegal
31:53
S9: to even go down that road. So you're really it's
31:55
S9: funny you hear the phrase conversion therapy. And I think
31:58
S9: it's it's happening, but in the opposite direction that everyone's
32:01
S9: assuming it's you're only allowed to promote LGBTQ identity issues,
32:07
S9: not allow people to explore those to see this really
32:11
S9: isn't for me. So the church has gotten better in
32:14
S9: many ways at, at opening up the conversation, but unfortunately,
32:19
S9: they've embraced mercy, which is really good. But the reason
32:22
S9: we named our ministry Love and Truth Network is you
32:24
S9: can't take love out of truth or truth out of love,
32:28
S9: and have either one of them. And so we have
32:31
S9: to still hold on to truth while we're being loving
32:33
S9: and merciful. And that's where churches, I think, struggle the most.
32:37
S1: Gary Ingram. My guest right now, Gary, give us your story.
32:41
S1: 300 zero foot. What did God do in your life?
32:44
S9: Well, eventually I grew up in a Christian home, and
32:47
S9: I'm grateful for the truth that was poured in. I
32:49
S9: wish it had been of equal measure, truth and compassion
32:52
S9: and mercy. But eventually the Lord got a hold of
32:55
S9: my life at the age of 23, after I had
32:57
S9: I'd embraced homosexuality, left Bible college, and just felt like,
33:00
S9: you know, when I finally came into the LGBT world,
33:02
S9: this is this is me. This is what I've been
33:04
S9: looking for. But that very quickly faded to, you know,
33:09
S9: revolving door of relationships and one night stands, all this
33:12
S9: other stuff that I never wanted. And eventually I just
33:15
S9: broke at the age of 23. And the Lord, I
33:18
S9: often think of him with me as a fish on
33:20
S9: the line, just letting me go out, drawing me back in,
33:23
S9: letting me go out, just letting me, him, me basically
33:25
S9: wear myself out to the point of finally recognizing, oh
33:29
S9: my goodness, what have I? I've said all the right
33:31
S9: things about the, the Romans Road prayer of salvation, but
33:34
S9: the one ingredient that was missing my entire life was surrender.
33:37
S9: And finally, I was ready to do that.
33:39
S1: You know, Gary, I want to I think sometimes we
33:42
S1: isolate certain sins. And I got air quotes going above
33:46
S1: me here, but there is no one that's fit for
33:50
S1: the kingdom of God. I had to come to the
33:51
S1: end of cocaine and carousing. And I mean, I was
33:54
S1: a mess. And it could be homosexuality, it could be
33:59
S1: gender dysphoria, but it can be alcohol, it can be pride,
34:03
S1: it can be climbing the 401 ladder. It could be
34:06
S1: just good old fashioned. I mean, Gary, we've all got
34:12
S1: to get to that point of brokenness. It's not. I
34:15
S1: hate it when we have these little sin pockets that
34:18
S1: we identify. We're all in that, aren't we, Gary?
34:21
S9: We're all in need of the cross. And in that sense,
34:24
S9: no one is above anybody else. That's absolutely true. What
34:27
S9: I do get a little concerned about evangelical churches conflating
34:30
S9: this idea that all sin is the same and it's
34:33
S9: the same in the sense that what you just described.
34:35
S9: Absolutely true. But the idea that Christians, the reality that
34:38
S9: we still struggle with sin as Christians, yes, we're saints
34:41
S9: that now struggle with sin. We're not primarily sinners in
34:44
S9: our identity, but there's a world of difference between doing
34:48
S9: what I did in terms of giving myself over to
34:51
S9: sin and living in that space even later on as
34:54
S9: a genuine believer for a while, living in some addiction
34:58
S9: and confusion and.
34:59
S8: All of that.
34:59
S9: There's a world of difference between that and the person
35:02
S9: who struggles with sin but gets up and goes to
35:04
S9: the cross, obeys James 516 of confessing our sins to
35:07
S9: one another and praying for each other that we might
35:09
S9: be healed. Those two experiences are radically different, and I
35:12
S9: hear them conflated all the time.
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S1: Yeah, I love it. You know, quick thought. We do
35:16
S1: have a lot of mainstream churches, different denominations, even some
35:21
S1: that claim to preach the gospel that are getting so
35:24
S1: weak in the knees, it's like they're afraid of culture.
35:29
S1: And I think they're afraid because they think, what happens
35:33
S1: if I speak the truth? Your contention is if we
35:36
S1: handle homosexuality, gender dysphoria, and other issues in that stream
35:43
S1: with love and truth, my goodness, we can't get weak
35:46
S1: in the knees there. Why are so many starting to
35:50
S1: really actually cave into the cultural pressure.
35:54
S9: Well, there are lots of churches, I'm convinced, that call
35:57
S9: themselves churches and use a lot of the same language
36:00
S9: of gospel and grace and things like that. I mean, honestly,
36:03
S9: my antenna goes up when I hear the word grace.
36:05
S9: It's a powerful word. It's sad that this is the case.
36:08
S9: It's an essential truth of the scriptures, but I hear
36:11
S9: it oftentimes abused as license for sin. And so. Right.
36:16
S9: I think that we are leaning too much now on
36:19
S9: emotion and something that is supposedly compassion. But when you're
36:23
S9: being compassionate to people, like I've often said, if I
36:26
S9: grew up in a progressive church or wound up in
36:29
S9: a progressive church, people out of the best intentions would
36:32
S9: have been patting my butt right into hell because I
36:33
S9: was not surrendered to Christ. And yet they would tell me,
36:36
S9: I can have all this sin in my life, and
36:38
S9: I'm fine. And so that is the least compassionate thing
36:41
S9: that someone could do, even though their motivations may have
36:43
S9: been right. We have to get the truth of the
36:46
S9: Scripture and our understanding of doctrine. We have to get
36:49
S9: that right. Otherwise, we're going to be preaching and teaching
36:53
S9: false doctrine, which, of course, the Bible warns us about,
36:55
S9: both in the Old Testament and the new.
36:57
S8: Yeah.
36:57
S1: And I mean, Paul tells the Galatian leaders, look, you've
37:01
S1: deserted God and you're giving another gospel, and it ain't
37:03
S1: no gospel at all. My guest right now, Gary Ingram. Gary,
37:07
S1: we got a lot of people listening right now, I
37:09
S1: would estimate. I'm just going to just open site estimate.
37:14
S1: We might have thousands of people listening right now that
37:17
S1: have a son or daughter, a brother or sister, a spouse,
37:21
S1: somebody that is struggling with sexuality and gender dysphoria, you
37:26
S1: name it. Oh, what do you say to him right now?
37:31
S9: Well, the first thing I would say is, you know,
37:33
S9: out of the thousands listening, there are thousands who are
37:37
S9: dealing with their own sexual brokenness. There are very few people,
37:41
S9: unless they've gone through some real healing and walking with
37:44
S9: Christ that aren't sexually broken. And so our ministry isn't
37:47
S9: just dealing with LGBT issues, but the far bigger heterosexual
37:50
S9: brokenness that's alive and well and we see as a
37:52
S9: stage for cancer in the church of just this hidden
37:56
S9: sexual immorality of a heterosexual nature. And so what I
38:00
S9: would say is, regardless of the brokenness, people are lost,
38:05
S9: whether they're LGBT or they're, you know, opposite sex oriented,
38:09
S9: but they're apart from Jesus. And so we have to
38:12
S9: treat this as a really as a holistic issue on
38:15
S9: the same playing field and minister to one another out
38:18
S9: of that space. People who are dealing with same sex attraction,
38:21
S9: gender dysphoria, any number of those things, they need Jesus
38:25
S9: like everybody else does. And those who are caught up
38:28
S9: in hookup culture, who may have prayed a prayer once
38:30
S9: when they were a kid, and yet their life has
38:32
S9: been kind of lived like hell ever since. Yeah. You know,
38:35
S9: there's no evidence that they've actually come into the kingdom.
38:39
S9: They're not Christ's followers. And so we need to kind
38:41
S9: of wake up and recognize we're talking about the same issue.
38:45
S9: And I think treating that as such and talking about
38:48
S9: within the church, talking about sexuality, let's not just call
38:51
S9: out the LGBT and shine a spotlight on those folks.
38:55
S9: Let's start with the much more expansive issue of heterosexual brokenness,
38:59
S9: porn addiction in the church, in the pulpit, even, and
39:02
S9: start being honest about that and include the conversation about LGBTQ.
39:06
S1: So in 30s, let's throw a net around the whole thing.
39:10
S1: If the whole thing is sexual dysfunction, where do we begin?
39:14
S1: Forget what side it's on. Flaming heterosexuality included pornography, you
39:20
S1: name it. Where do we begin to get healed?
39:22
S9: The two things I would say our obedience to Christ,
39:26
S9: God's love language is obedience. That is a massive issue,
39:29
S9: but secondarily and oftentimes missed. The first is often talked about,
39:33
S9: but oftentimes missed is we are relationally starving people. Even
39:37
S9: in the church, we don't know one another. Everyone's hiding
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S9: from one another. We know all kinds of facts about
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S9: each other, but we don't know what's really going on
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S9: with the heart of one another. And what we're struggling with.
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S9: Everybody is posing, putting their best foot forward, so to speak.
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S9: But in doing that, we're creating this false image for
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S9: everybody to know and love. And we are not experiencing
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S9: that love because we know if they only knew us,
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S9: they wouldn't have anything to do with us. Or we
39:59
S9: think some refrain like that. And so it comes back
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S9: to we have to be relationally full. And when you're
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S9: relationally full, yes, there's still temptation. Yes, there's still lust.
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S9: But it's a lot easier to say no to sexual
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S9: sin because it's so mimics authentic intimacy. It's a lot
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S9: easier to say no to sexual sin when we are
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S9: relationally full. And the church has a long way to
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S9: go on really developing that.
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S1: You know, I think, Gary, not only are you spot
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S1: on with everything you're sharing here this morning, I think
40:29
S1: sometimes we neglect the need for relationship. We often focus on,
40:35
S1: let's say, a healthy marriage, but the broader context of community.
40:39
S1: I'm not talking about getting up front, standing at a
40:41
S1: podium and sharing all your dirty laundry. But more than
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S1: just your spouse, more than just the person you're dating,
40:48
S1: other people need to know what's going on. It's protection,
40:52
S1: isn't it, Gary?
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S9: Yeah, we talk all the time about every son of God.
40:56
S9: Every daughter of God needs a band of brothers, a
40:58
S9: band of sisters, 3 or 4 others that are doing
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S9: life with you. And even in our men's groups or
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S9: women's groups in the church, most are only going an
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S9: inch deep and, you know, a mile wide. We have
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S9: to go to the depths with some. And so teaching
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S9: that and helping people enter into those kinds of relationships
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S9: where you're really doing life together and fully known and
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S9: fully loved in that place of being fully known, regardless
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S9: of our struggles. That is an entire part of the
41:23
S9: foundation of the church that seems to be missing in
41:25
S9: terms of that depth knowledge, not getting up and sharing
41:28
S9: all your stuff on stage, like you're saying, but where
41:31
S9: we have three or 4 or 5 others in our
41:33
S9: group that we're meeting with regularly, we're connecting with, we're
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S9: growing in relationship and love with. Those are vital. No
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S9: one's spouse can bear the weight of meeting all the
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S9: needs of their spouse.
41:43
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42:27
S6: Start your day moving closer to Jesus. You're listening to
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S6: Carl and Crew.
42:32
S10: It's Carl and crew. One of the things that God
42:34
S10: wants to do in you is free you from shame Oh, sin. Yeah.
42:40
S10: A guy can put a finger on something in our life.
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S10: We're going to see this in this phenomenal little story
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S10: told in John eight. Yeah. God can put a finger
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S10: on something in our life and go, yeah, that's not good.
42:51
S10: That's conviction. But as you're going to see here in
42:54
S10: a moment, the heart and the character of God, even
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S10: for some of those things that we're like, oh, that's
42:59
S10: embarrassing is not to identify you as that conviction says,
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S10: I did something. James says, I am something God wants
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S10: to free you from the I am something some of
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S10: you have taken the bait of Satan, and you have.
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S10: You've you've just. You're judge and jury yourself. You've let
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S10: Satan tell you this defines who you are and there
43:31
S10: is no one that can avoid this. It's unavoidable.
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S3: We've all faced it.
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S10: It's unavoidable. But we get this cool story in John eight,
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S10: and to be fair, the earliest manuscripts, the earliest manuscripts
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S10: do not include it. My my perspective on this is
43:53
S10: that this is such a stark story. I really believe
43:59
S10: there was an attempt to keep it out, but I'm
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S10: absolutely certain Jesus did this. So the story goes that
44:06
S10: he had gotten done teaching and disciples go to their homes.
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S10: Jesus went to the Mount of Olives, which just when
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S10: you're just reading this story, you just gotta understand he
44:18
S10: was going there to meet with God the Father for sure.
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S10: So he's like, you know what? I'm going to go
44:26
S10: probably roll out.
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S1: A little bit of a sack up on the top
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S1: of Mount of Olives, and I'm going to hang out
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S1: with my father. He came back down the next day
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S1: to the temple. And the story goes that as he
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S1: goes in to teach, here come the scribes and the
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S1: Pharisees and what they're trying to do, to be fair
44:48
S1: is we we got to be fair with the Pharisees.
44:54
S1: There's a lot of zeal without real depth of knowledge
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S1: and wisdom, but there's a zeal to honor God that
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S1: is now run amok. So they're law abiders and so
45:03
S1: they think, man, depending on how he answers this one,
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S1: this will tell us really what's going on. Because one
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S1: thing that concerned the Pharisees most is that Jesus was
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S1: a freedom fighter. He was a freedom fighter. He was egalitarian.
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S1: And this story would prove that in spades. Take it away,
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S1: young Thunder. Give me the story, man.
45:24
S3: Yeah. So the scribes, the Pharisees, they bring this woman
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S3: who's caught in adultery to Jesus, and they say to him, teacher,
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S3: this woman has been caught in adultery. Now in the
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S3: law of Moses, it commands us to stone the woman.
45:37
S3: What do you say? And as they say this, he
45:41
S3: gets down on the ground and he starts to write
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S3: some things. It doesn't specify what he's writing now.
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S1: And there's a lot of conjecture about it, thinking he's
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S1: writing in, uh, pride, arrogance, uh, knowledge puffs up, you know,
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S1: things like things, things like that.
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S3: Yes.
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S1: That would have pointed the finger back at the Pharisees.
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S3: And so they continue to ask him because he doesn't
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S3: verbally answer at first, but then he gets up and
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S3: he says to them, let him who is without sin
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S3: among you be the first to throw a stone at her.
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S3: And then he gets back down and he continues to write.
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S3: And starting with the oldest in the group, they slowly
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S3: drop their stones and walk away, and Jesus turns to
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S3: the woman and he, after they've all left and says,
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S3: where are your accusers? Where are those who condemn you?
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S3: And she says they're not here anymore. And he says,
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S3: neither do I condemn you. Now go and sin no more.
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S1: Yeah. Two things spoken here by Jesus. You notice how
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S1: he handles this? It is so incredibly wise. It is
46:48
S1: so just dripping with truth. Two sides here. Number one,
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S1: you sinned. Don't do it anymore. Two. I don't condemn you. Wow. Adultery. Now,
47:09
S1: there's a lot of layers to this story. Where was
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S1: the dude on the adultery side?
47:16
S3: That's a really good question.
47:21
S1: But we're going to offer you something really healthy spiritually.
47:26
S1: A discipleship moment. We're going to pray over you in
47:30
S1: a little bit. I want to be clear about what
47:34
S1: we're praying about here. There's an area in your life
47:40
S1: of sin. There's a time in your life of sin.
47:45
S1: There was something somewhere. And I do want to speak
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S1: out to the issue of adultery even before we wade
47:53
S1: into this. The only real way for you to get free,
48:02
S1: because if you notice, came out into the public, it
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S1: was publicly known that this woman had committed adultery. So
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S1: there was work that she would have to do. Relationally, confession,
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S1: admission of this. But there's no condemnation. Some of you
48:26
S1: have committed adultery and you've confessed your sin to God,
48:31
S1: but you've not done James five and gone to one another,
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S1: mainly your spouse. That's got to be done to wipe
48:37
S1: the slate clean, because what God has brought together, let
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S1: no man tear apart. When there is a tear in
48:44
S1: that covenant relationship, there's need for confession. You might say, oh,
48:50
S1: it could end it all. I think there is more
48:53
S1: of a miracle waiting on the other side. And there
48:55
S1: is freedom for your soul by doing that, for sure.
48:59
S1: I know this is hitting some of you, maybe a
49:01
S1: good number of you really hard this morning. But that
49:06
S1: is the secret sauce of getting free from some of
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S1: these things is going to someone else and saying, hey,
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S1: this is this is what I battled with. This is
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S1: what I did. But the truth remains, neither do I
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S1: condemn you. Now go and sin no more. So the
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S1: issue that we're going to deal with here is the
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S1: issue of shame. And it's the issue of not just
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S1: having sinned, but that now is your identifier and you're
49:37
S1: not persisting in that, but it keeps hounding you. And
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S1: it might have happened 40 years ago, 50 years ago. Yeah.
49:46
S1: Could have been that long ago. And you're like, oh, Carl,
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S1: I want to get free from this. We're going to
49:52
S1: pray over you in just a little bit. So in
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S1: a word or three, what is it? What sin from
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S1: your past and past can be a week. What sin
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S1: from your past? Has Satan or others attempted to box
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S1: you into the box of shame? There's therefore now no
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S1: condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. We will.
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S1: We will not see your names and we will not
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S1: speak out numbers, but just text in in a word
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S1: or three. Boy, this is what I've been stuck in
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S1: this box of shame around this thing. And we're going
50:43
S1: to pray over you coming up here in just a
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S1: few minutes. 805, five, five, 78, 98. Great opportunity for
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S1: you to walk free today. You've carried that mark on
50:57
S1: your life too long. Satan's had a stronghold of shame
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S1: on you for too many years. And today we're going
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S1: to pray for freedom. 800 555, 78, 98. Just text
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S1: it in in a word or three. What is that?
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S1: 805 five, five, 78, 98.
51:20
S6: The gospel changes everything.
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S2: Where else am I going to find peace, joy, eternal
51:25
S2: life not found in anyone else?
51:29
S6: You're listening to Carl and crew.
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S1: Yeah, man. There is some great opportunity here. This is
51:35
S1: tip of the iceberg, and we have got so many
51:37
S1: responding right now. We're going to pray for freedom. You
51:42
S1: do not have to text in the issue that you
51:45
S1: are stuck in a shame box over. You needed to
51:49
S1: hear these words this morning. I don't condemn you. Jesus
51:54
S1: said to the woman who was caught in adultery, caught
51:58
S1: by the way, not confessed, but go and sin no more.
52:05
S1: There are a lot of responses coming in here. You
52:07
S1: can get time to get yours in, in a word
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S1: or three. Just what is it that has got you
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S1: boxed into shame? 805. Five. Five. 78. 98. We're going
52:18
S1: to pray over you here in a moment. I'm going
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S1: to read some of these out because I want to
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S1: do some explanation here to some of these as well.
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S1: We got a lot of them. Let me just give
52:26
S1: it a couple quick moments here guys. Okay. Adultery and
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S1: all the repercussions. Porn abortion. God does not condemn you.
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S1: Promiscuity in the past. God does not that does not
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S1: define you. It's a new day, friend. Lazy. Go and
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S1: sin no more. You are not identified. God does not
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S1: see you. Get up in the morning and see lazy person.
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S1: That's not the ID on you. It's a person with
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S1: potential because the tomb is empty. Wanting incessant approval from others.
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S1: Somebody again. Adultery. Just too much TV. You've been labeled.
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S1: You've been shamed that you're just a TV person. No,
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S1: you're a child of God. Adultery, divorce, remarried. Yeah. It's
53:25
S1: good to go back. Maybe deal with some of that.
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S1: I do not know the particulars on a lot of
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S1: these stories. Go to a pastor, get some clarity. But
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S1: you are not boxed in by shame. Dependence on food,
53:38
S1: not God. A God does not condemn you. Go and
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S1: sin no more. Abuse of alcohol and drugs. Lust, alcohol.
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S1: Failing to be a leader in my family. Go and
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S1: sin no more. God does not condemn you. Promiscuity. In
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S1: my late teens. Early 20s. God does not condemn you.
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S1: The tomb is empty. You have been set free. You
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S1: have a new identity. Fight with my husband. Lust since childbirth.
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S1: You're a new creation friend. Go and sin no more. Pornography.
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S1: Same sex attraction. Liar. These are great because when you
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S1: put your fingers on these, you can hear the voice
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S1: of God saying, go and sin no more. I do
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S1: not condemn you. Alcoholism. Adultery again. Lust. Self gratification. Boy,
54:50
S1: they're just pouring in here. Guys, I can't cover all
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S1: of these. We see abortion a lot in here. Infidelity? Yep.
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S1: You know, the amazing thing about this story in John
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S1: eight is that what you've been boxed in by, I'm
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S1: convinced what landed in the pages of John eight, verse
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S1: one through 11 is, you know, what would be considered
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S1: a really serious thing, and that is adultery. And what
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S1: does Jesus say? Listen, you're a sinner. This has some
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S1: downstream impact, no doubt about it. But go and sin
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S1: no more. I do not condemn you. So this freedom
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S1: from shame is huge. And also the command of Jesus,
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S1: go and sin no more is your next step out
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S1: of this thing. When you walk free from that shame.
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S1: It's beautiful. I'm going to pray over you right now.
55:52
S1: They're still pouring in here. Judgmental, critical spirit, gossip. Good man.
55:59
S1: Credit card debt. Yeah. Go and sin no more. Debt
56:04
S1: is not your identifier. By God, you're a child of God.
56:09
S1: All of you are children of God. The tomb is empty.
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S1: Our God is alive. Father, right now I come before
56:16
S1: you and with a great joy and anticipation, we just
56:22
S1: pray over our brothers and sisters, those that texted in
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S1: and many thousands who did not, who need some healing. Father,
56:32
S1: I pray in the name of Jesus that your Holy
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S1: Spirit will comfort that there will be a willingness and
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S1: an eagerness to be embraced by your arms, who are
56:45
S1: saying to them, come to me, your weary and heavy laden.
56:47
S1: You've been carrying an identifying mark on your life. That
56:50
S1: is not who you are, not in Christ Jesus. And Lord,
56:57
S1: for many, here it is. Go and sin no more.
56:59
S1: And some are wondering, oh, how am I going to
57:01
S1: get free? Father, I pray that there will be an
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S1: admission to you. Agreement with you. Confession? Yep. That's what happened.
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S1: And they will hear your voice say, let's go. Let's
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S1: go and sin no more. And I love you. I
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S1: love you, Lord. We thank you for your grace and
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S1: your power, your love, your goodness, the fact that you
57:38
S1: see it all, but you love us still. And I
57:40
S1: pray in the name of Jesus right now. And I
57:45
S1: speak out to all forms of evil. The Lord rebuke you, Satan.
57:48
S1: You have no authority over these children of God who
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S1: are coming clean with stuff that has been pounding them,
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S1: shaping them, and defining them too long. And we thank
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S1: you that you give freedom today. In Jesus name, Amen.
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S1: That is our God.