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Sharri | 11 November · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Sharry Good Evening.
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Speaker 3: Major news tonight that the Liberal Party is preparing to
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Speaker 3: dump net zero. The Moderates will be rolled, but they
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Speaker 3: won't go down without a fight, claiming the Liberals will
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Speaker 3: be a laughing.
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Speaker 2: Stock without climate targets.
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Speaker 3: I'll bring you all the inside details in my exclusive report.
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Speaker 2: In a moment, the neo Nazi rally sparks calls for
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Speaker 2: new laws.
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Speaker 3: Liberal MP Kelly Sloan will join me live. She'll speak
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Speaker 3: about the death threats she's received simply for condemning those thugs,
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Speaker 3: and common sense finally prevails with reports men won't be
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Speaker 3: able to compete against women at the Olympics.
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Speaker 2: Broman Bishop and Camra Milner.
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Speaker 3: Will be here shortly, but first on the eve of
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Speaker 3: the crucial Party Room, a Liberal meeting. The deep divisions
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Speaker 3: at the highest levels of the party are no closer
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Speaker 3: to being resolved. There's no consensus, but the position is
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Speaker 3: firming that the Liberals will dump net zero. Moderates will
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Speaker 3: tomorrow one the Liberals will be a laughing stock if
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Speaker 3: they aboundon net zero, and they'll liken it to opposing
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Speaker 3: same sex marriage. The Conservatives will argue it is in
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Speaker 3: Australia's national interest to dump the twenty fifty targets that
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Speaker 3: will never be met and are pushing up power bills.
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Speaker 3: It'll be a heated debate as all sides are invited
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Speaker 3: to speak and express their views. While no position will
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Speaker 3: officially be reached tomorrow, it's now pretty clear where the
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Speaker 3: party is headed. My understanding is the majority of the
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Speaker 3: Liberal Party is solidifying its position behind dumping net zero.
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Speaker 3: The reality is the Moderates are likely to be rolled
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Speaker 3: because they simply.
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Speaker 2: Don't have the numbers.
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Speaker 3: Now ahead of the meeting, many Liberals are mounting their
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Speaker 3: case publicly. I'll go into that party room I've always
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Speaker 3: said I would, and keep representing my community.
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Speaker 4: They don't want net zero. They are struggling under energy prices.
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Speaker 5: If the party doesn't stay in Paris and some sort
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Speaker 5: of net zero commitment, you'll quit.
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Speaker 6: Well, sure, but I don't imagine that we would ever
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Speaker 6: leave Paris.
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Speaker 7: It makes more sense to me that we set sovereign
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Speaker 7: targets like net zero that we control, we define, than
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Speaker 7: saying that we're going to turn around to the parasol.
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Speaker 5: In Wringa, in Wentworth, in Reed, in Hues, in Banks,
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Speaker 5: they are telling me that they want to see credible
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Speaker 5: action on climate.
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Speaker 8: Well, Sarah, the one thing I can absolutely guarantee you
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Speaker 8: is we won't be supporting economically destructive and unachievable targets.
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Speaker 3: So that's an indication of just how fiery the debate
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Speaker 3: will be tomorrow. Liberal leader Susan Lee won't express a
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Speaker 3: personal position, should just listen to the feedback, but there
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Speaker 3: is common ground. Both sides agree the focus should be
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Speaker 3: cutting energy prices. They also agree there should be a
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Speaker 3: commitment to lowering emissions. The crux of the disagreement comes
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Speaker 3: down to whether the term net zero should be retained
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Speaker 3: as the aspiration as a target. One liberal moderate told
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Speaker 3: me today dumping net zero was like wanting to lose.
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Speaker 2: Weight without having a goal. They're insisting on.
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Speaker 3: Retaining an aspiration towards net zero, although they are willing
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Speaker 3: to extend the timeframe beyond twenty fifty. But there are
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Speaker 3: around ten Liberals out of some fifty eight who are
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Speaker 3: wedded to the term net zero, and the simple fact
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Speaker 3: is they don't have the numbers.
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Speaker 2: As I told you last week.
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Speaker 3: The likely position is that just like the Nationals, the
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Speaker 3: Liberals will retain a commitment to the Paris agreement without
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Speaker 3: a net zero by twenty fifty target. This will be
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Speaker 3: finalized on Thursday at the Shadow Cabinet meeting. But even
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Speaker 3: among those who support dumping that zero, there's concern about
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Speaker 3: the ferocious scare.
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Speaker 2: Campaign from Labor.
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Speaker 3: Cameron Milner, who'll be on the show in a minute,
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Speaker 3: told us this last.
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Speaker 4: Week it'll be the mother of all scare campaigns, mother
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Speaker 4: of all scare campaign sharhot, and there'll be the wailing
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Speaker 4: and gnashing of teeth for the Greens and the extremists
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Speaker 4: and the work lefties.
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Speaker 3: Up against such an intense scare campaign. Experienced political journalist
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Speaker 3: Paul Kelly says the coalition's leaders are not up to
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Speaker 3: the fight.
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Speaker 1: If they come down against net zero at twenty fifty.
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Speaker 1: There's no way the two leaders at the moment, Susan
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Speaker 1: Lee and David Little Proud could possibly wage an effective
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Speaker 1: campaign against the Albanese government, against the government, the Greens,
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Speaker 1: the Teals, the Independence and all the progressive media. Do
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Speaker 1: we seriously think that Susanly and David Little Proud could
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Speaker 1: successfully conduct such a campaign? Again, this is simply not credible.
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Speaker 3: So the question is who will be the face of
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Speaker 3: this campaign? It can't be the leaders, it can't be
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Speaker 3: shadow of Energy Minister Dan Tin. It needs to be
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Speaker 3: the coalition's strongest retail politician. Well here's one suggestion from
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Speaker 3: Paul Kelly.
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Speaker 1: I have to work out who would conduct the campaign.
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Speaker 1: Now it's obvious who is the most effective spokesman, and
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Speaker 1: that's Matt Canavan, who is a cut through politician.
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Speaker 3: It's an interesting idea and it's not just the face
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Speaker 3: of the campaign that matters. The messaging, slogans and arguments
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Speaker 3: need to be razor sharp. Settling on an energy position
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Speaker 3: will only be the start of the fight. There's a
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Speaker 3: little point in having a well crafted policy if there's
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Speaker 3: no hope of selling it. The Coalition needs to be
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Speaker 3: able to take the fight up to the Albanezy government
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Speaker 3: while convincing Australians they're not extremists, climate denialists or dinosaurs,
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Speaker 3: because those will be the accusations from across the Aisle. Okay,
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Speaker 3: let's turn to the BBC saga. Now, big news today
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Speaker 3: that Trump is suing the BBC for one billion dollars
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Speaker 3: in damages.
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Speaker 2: This after it.
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Speaker 3: Doctored footage of him from January sixth to make it
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Speaker 3: look like he was inciting the Capitol Hill riot. He's
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Speaker 3: also demanding a full retraction and a public apology. For
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Speaker 3: more on this, now, let's bring in tonight's panel, former
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Speaker 3: Speaker of the House Broman Bishop and Bill Shotton's former
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Speaker 3: chief of staff Camra Miner. Great to see you both,
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Speaker 3: as always so Romin. I think this is great that
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Speaker 3: the President is taking on the bias left media, not
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Speaker 3: just with words but with legal action.
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Speaker 6: Absolutely. But I mean worries me is that the ABC
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Speaker 6: and the BBCs so closely linked, always have been, and
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Speaker 6: for the BBC, the rot set in with the Panorama
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Speaker 6: program on Princess Diana when she was presented with false
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Speaker 6: information to persuade her to do the interview, and it
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Speaker 6: was covered up for decades and they knew and that's
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Speaker 6: when the rot began. It's been followed by a whole
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Speaker 6: sequence of covers up, whether it's people who were pedophiles,
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Speaker 6: with a whole range of them, and there's just this
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Speaker 6: murky feel and culturally, if they don't clean up their
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Speaker 6: mess in Britain, you've got the problem that they are
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Speaker 6: in fact almost commanded to be the main outlet of
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Speaker 6: news because pad tax to Pat we used to have
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Speaker 6: attax here GoF Whitland got rid of.
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Speaker 2: That one good thing you did at least, Cameron.
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Speaker 3: Now, even from Australia, we've been able to see just
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Speaker 3: how biased the BBC is, particularly.
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Speaker 2: On issues like Israel.
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Speaker 3: And that was one of the stories that was exposed
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Speaker 3: and I had the journalists behind that story, behind this
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Speaker 3: whole expos on the show last night. But it was
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Speaker 3: found that BBC Arabia was spreading her Musk propaganda.
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Speaker 8: Well isn't it terrible? And look, you know, the BBC
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Speaker 8: should be so much better as a public broadcaster. They
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Speaker 8: should be able to tell the truth and tell the
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Speaker 8: truth without fear or favor. But they're not. They're completely
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Speaker 8: utterly biased. They're captured of the left and that's the
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Speaker 8: real problem. And isn't it good? Isn't it good? They're
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Speaker 8: finally been caught out and someone's actually going to take
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Speaker 8: them to the courts and potentially cost them dearly And
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Speaker 8: maybe maybe after that they'll listen, because goodness though, they
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Speaker 8: haven't listened to the complaints of all the rest of
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Speaker 8: us who say you're biased and not doing the right
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Speaker 8: thing on things like Israel on ABC or the BBC.
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Speaker 8: So if it takes a Trump lawsuit, Well.
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Speaker 1: So be it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Rob, when you mentioned the ABC a minute ago, well,
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Speaker 3: Chris kenny Is revealed that the ABC alsoted Donald Trump's
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Speaker 3: January sixth speech to cut out the same part that
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Speaker 3: the BBC removed.
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Speaker 2: Have a look after this, We're going to walk down
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Speaker 2: and I'll be there with you, because you'll never take
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Speaker 2: back our country with weakness.
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Speaker 7: You have to show strength and you have to be strong.
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Speaker 3: So they removed the same part as the BBC did.
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Speaker 3: And then it's also emerged that insiders on the ABC
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Speaker 3: also aired a docted image of Liberal Senator Jane Hume
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Speaker 3: and they just claimed that that was satire, I mean
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Speaker 3: satire on the most serious political show of the week.
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Speaker 2: Broman.
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Speaker 3: Do you think there should be an inquiry into the
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Speaker 3: ABC's biases? Sarah Henderson has tonight.
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Speaker 6: Suggested Yes, I think it'd be a very good idea.
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Speaker 6: But for a long time, for years, I've been calling
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Speaker 6: for the Charter, which is in the Act, to be
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Speaker 6: made enforceable.
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Speaker 2: Currently it says that there.
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Speaker 6: Are no legal ramifications flowing from that Charter. It needs
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Speaker 6: to be enforceable and for people to take action against
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Speaker 6: the ABC in the courts when they breach it. That
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Speaker 6: would be a good start. Now hear Sarah's now saying
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Speaker 6: should be in for a rewrite of the Act. Well,
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Speaker 6: I don't care how you express it, but if we
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Speaker 6: can get that charter to be enforced, that would be
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Speaker 6: a beginning. Because the culture between the ABC and the
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Speaker 6: BBC is very very close sell and it's unhealthy. It
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Speaker 6: needs to change.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, damaging for democracy.
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Speaker 3: Now, big news today that the International Olympic Committee is
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Speaker 3: set to ban men who were born as biological men
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Speaker 3: from competing in women's spot Now, Camen, we've seen scandals
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Speaker 3: in recent years, including at the twenty twenty one Games,
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Speaker 3: Laurel Hubbard, who was previously a man named Gavin, competed
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Speaker 3: alongside women in weightlifting and this has been just major issues.
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Speaker 3: So this finally seems like a common sense position from
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Speaker 3: the IOC.
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Speaker 8: Oh look too late, though too late, Shari. I mean,
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Speaker 8: this is a simple debate. There are men and there
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Speaker 8: are women. There's men's sports and there's women's sports. Now
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Speaker 8: that's it, and the Olympics should be celebrating men and
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Speaker 8: women in sport full stop. This trans situation is only
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Speaker 8: impacting women, doesn't impact men in sport only women. And
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Speaker 8: that's the tragedy of the trans movement in the Olympic
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Speaker 8: sports and wider sports.
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Speaker 3: As well, because the issue is bromin that there might
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Speaker 3: have been some women who have missed out on medals
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Speaker 3: because they were competing against transgender women who are born
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Speaker 3: men and the physical advantage.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, there's no doubt about it. They have totally unfairly
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Speaker 6: and thank goodness they've got a new person in charge
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Speaker 6: who campaigned on this being the case, and now common
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Speaker 6: sense and sanity, sanity, dare I say, has been returned
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Speaker 6: because it's just been so unfair on women and it
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Speaker 6: is here. You see it in soccer in various games
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Speaker 6: where women are injured because they're allowing men to play
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Speaker 6: in women's sports. It's just nuts. So I just find
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Speaker 6: that leadership from the Olympics is definitely needed. Let's hope,
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Speaker 6: but let's be honest. It began with Donald Trump because
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Speaker 6: he said no visas coming into the games in America
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Speaker 6: for trends athletes.
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Speaker 3: That is, I think a lot of political leaders could
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Speaker 3: take a leaf out of his book when it comes
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Speaker 3: to actually acting and taking some tough decisions.
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Speaker 2: I'll talk about that in a MEI.
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Speaker 6: And I'm also sick to death of being asked what
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Speaker 6: is a woman? What about we asked the question what
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Speaker 6: is a man? How do we know you're a man?
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Speaker 6: Tell us why you're a man. Why does it always
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Speaker 6: fall on women?
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Speaker 2: Good point, Very good point, Cameron.
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Speaker 3: I want to turn to another strong columnent that you've
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Speaker 3: written in The Nightly where you talk about how it
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Speaker 3: is time the Liberals dumped.
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Speaker 2: The commitment to NAT zero.
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Speaker 3: Now, just last week, Cameron, I played your comments and
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Speaker 3: ago you were telling us about the scare campaign.
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Speaker 2: Labor is going to run.
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Speaker 3: So are you saying that the Liberals should dump because
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Speaker 3: it would be better for labor or do you think
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Speaker 3: this would actually be advantageous to the liberals.
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Speaker 8: I think it's advantageous to liberals. I mean the Liberals
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Speaker 8: are languishing at twenty four percent primary. They're playing me
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Speaker 8: too politics on climate change. There's no contrast and there's
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Speaker 8: no strength their message, and they're about to split the
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Speaker 8: coalition asunder. So no, I mean, in the end, let's
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Speaker 8: not go after the word salad. The word salad that
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Speaker 8: is NET zero. I mean, it is not sacrosanct. For
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Speaker 8: goodness sake, It's a term it's a slogan, and let
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Speaker 8: Albow defend the hundreds of billions of dollars he wants
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Speaker 8: to spend and put into intergenerational debt to get his
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Speaker 8: green dream to get up. Let Albow defend it. Let
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Speaker 8: him actually have a contest of ideas. No, the coalition
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Speaker 8: should be about climate change responsibly. Climate change should be
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Speaker 8: fought and that's no problem all but to bind us
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Speaker 8: to a net zero plan, which is Albow's plan, he
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Speaker 8: needs to explain that net zero isn't zero cost Shari, the.
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Speaker 3: Question is brum and do you think there is someone
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Speaker 3: in the coalition who can mount the case you can
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Speaker 3: have this fight.
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Speaker 2: You need a really strong performer. Yep.
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Speaker 6: I think someone will emerge. And I think Cameron had
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Speaker 6: an excellent phrase in his article when he said you
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Speaker 6: need someone with a bit of mongol, because you do.
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Speaker 6: And we had the same problem in two thousand and
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Speaker 6: nine when we had to fight very hard to get
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Speaker 6: the votes up to get Tony Abbott elected by one vote.
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Speaker 6: There were still the people who were the Greenies, the
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Speaker 6: hangers on to that issue, but they had to fall
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Speaker 6: in line. And that's what we need now. People know
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Speaker 6: they're hurting and I think the Nationals came up with
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Speaker 6: three very good words, better, cheaper, fairer, because from those
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Speaker 6: three words you can have spin off a lot of
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Speaker 6: policies that says this is how we'll deal with it.
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Speaker 6: So I just think that they're finally on the right
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Speaker 6: track and that the leader who comes out, let's see
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Speaker 6: how they go once they've got the position not a
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Speaker 6: catched to the Labour Party anymore, but have the freedom
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Speaker 6: to go out and fight for it and watch the
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Speaker 6: individuals go out and fight for it.
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Speaker 3: All right, Frowen Bishop, great to see you as always,
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Speaker 3: Camra Milner, thank you so much. Now let's return to
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Speaker 3: the Via Neo Nazi rally held outside Parliament. Were news
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Speaker 3: today that Chris Mins, the Premier, is examining the laws
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Speaker 3: in Germany, where socialist.
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Speaker 2: Groups are banned.
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Speaker 3: Now much has been made of the fact that the
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Speaker 3: New Southwal's police Commissioner mal Lanion didn't know the protest
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Speaker 3: was going ahead. But what worries me is that last
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Speaker 3: night he said that even if he had.
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Speaker 2: Known, he couldn't have stopped it, to.
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Speaker 3: Be honest, based on the information that was in the
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Speaker 3: form one, based on our legislation and what the previous
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Speaker 3: interactions we've had with the group.
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Speaker 2: The decision was not inappropriate. What I've said, very decision
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Speaker 2: wasn't inappropriate. You think the protest should have gone ahead
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Speaker 2: based on.
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Speaker 8: The legislation, I don't believe we had groundstore oppose it.
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Speaker 3: And joining me now in New South Wales Shadow Health
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Speaker 3: Minister Kelly Sloane, Kelly, thank you so much.
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Speaker 2: Good to see you, as to see you too now.
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Speaker 3: I'm so sorry you've had such a tough week because
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Speaker 3: after you rightly condemned this rally, you received horrendous death rates.
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Speaker 7: Well, I'm pretty resilient, Shari, and I think you better
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Speaker 7: than anyone, know what that feels like. And we refuse
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Speaker 7: to be intimidated by people like that. And I'll keep
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Speaker 7: speaking up. And we need to speak up because this
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Speaker 7: was a vile display. It was a sinister display and
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Speaker 7: it caught the state government with their pants down.
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Speaker 3: Are you worried about the comments from the police commissioner?
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Speaker 3: And I have every faith in him that he's doing
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Speaker 3: a great job, But are you worried about his comments
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Speaker 3: that even if he'd known about a neo Nazi rally,
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Speaker 3: we can't oversay it. How shocking this is a neo
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Speaker 3: Nazi rally, he couldn't have stopped it.
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Speaker 7: Well, he is relying, of course, retrospectively, relying on the
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Speaker 7: advice that was given to people more junior than him. Now,
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Speaker 7: what happens in politics if something as politically sensitive as this,
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Speaker 7: as difficult as this occurs and is escalated to the minister,
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Speaker 7: the minister has an opportunity to apply public sentiment to this.
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Speaker 7: And even I would have thought that given the advice,
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Speaker 7: the testimony by the head of ASIO last week by
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Speaker 7: Mike Burgess that he said, and I quote the growing
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Speaker 7: likelihood of these groups that things will prompt spontaneous violence,
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Speaker 7: particularly in response to perceive provocation. So I think in
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Speaker 7: light of that, these laws are worth testing. We have
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Speaker 7: new laws that we introduced in State Parliament. They should
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Speaker 7: be tested. Indeed, the Commissioner's response is in direct contrast
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Speaker 7: to senior government ministers, including Penny Sharp, who leads the
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Speaker 7: government in the Upper House, who said on the weekend
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Speaker 7: that that protest should not have taken place and may
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Speaker 7: not have taken place had the government been told.
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Speaker 2: And even if it did go ahead.
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Speaker 3: I went through the Crimes Act with the Police Commissioner
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Speaker 3: and I interviewed him last night and it is clear
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Speaker 3: in that one section of the Crimes Act that police
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Speaker 3: that it is a criminal offense to intimidate or harass
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Speaker 3: people of a particular group or the subject of that
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Speaker 3: public act. So they could have been arrested because clearly
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Speaker 3: they were intimidating the Jewish community.
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Speaker 7: Well, at the very least, the New South Wales liberals
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Speaker 7: and nationals are saying those new laws should have been
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Speaker 7: tested and if you don't do that, if you give
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Speaker 7: these people an inch, they will take a mile. They
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Speaker 7: are celebrating the fact that they got to line up
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Speaker 7: like stormtroopers in front of the place, the house where
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Speaker 7: we make the laws in this state, and they got
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Speaker 7: away with it. They're laughing, they're intimidating, they're continuing to
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Speaker 7: bully and they'll do it again.
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Speaker 3: And it's probably been a big recruitment drive for them
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Speaker 3: as well, which is worrying. Kelly reports today that the
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Speaker 3: Premier will amend legislation to give police the power to
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Speaker 3: move on protesters who harass, block, or intimidate people entering
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Speaker 3: a house of worship, any house of worship.
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Speaker 2: Is this a good solution?
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Speaker 7: Well, so this may be good law and It may
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Speaker 7: be something that the opposition supports, as we have done
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Speaker 7: in the past, but this is a case of as
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Speaker 7: I said, the government when it comes to the rally
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Speaker 7: on the weekend, was caught with their pants down. They're
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Speaker 7: saying today, here, look at these laws. They're not going
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Speaker 7: to fix what happened on the weekend. They might be
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Speaker 7: good laws that we should support, but the government needs
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Speaker 7: to examine where there was this monumental stuff up in process,
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Speaker 7: why they weren't informed, and why constantly on their watch
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Speaker 7: we're seeing stuff like this. You know, I had a
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Speaker 7: lady speak to me today, a member of the Jewish community,
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Speaker 7: and she said to me, you know, Kelly, I really
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Speaker 7: like Chris Mins. He says all the right things, he
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Speaker 7: always says sorry, but it keeps happening and they don't
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Speaker 7: feel safe under this state labor government and this federal
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Speaker 7: level labor government.
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Speaker 3: He has indicated he's going to look at new legislation
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Speaker 3: to ban further Nazi slogans, perhaps even banning Nazi groups.
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Speaker 3: I mean, that's what they've done in Germany. Do you
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Speaker 3: think that would be a good idea? Is that something
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Speaker 3: you'd support? We should look at it.
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Speaker 7: And the one thing that I've noticed since the weekend
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Speaker 7: is there is universal condemnation of this group. On a
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Speaker 7: daylight today, when we're wearing our poppies remembering what our
20:03
Speaker 7: grandparents and great grandparents fought for for our freedoms, to
20:06
Speaker 7: fight against fascism. I think the public sentiment, more broadly
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Speaker 7: would be let's stop them. They're looking at going further
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Speaker 7: setting up a political party, and we are seeing the
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Speaker 7: rise of these movements globally. It's time for tough action
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Speaker 7: and I think the Coalition in New South Wales would
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Speaker 7: be willing to work with the government in a bipartisan
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Speaker 7: fashion to see that happen.
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Speaker 5: On new laws.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, just before you go, I understand that. Greens
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Speaker 3: MP Jenny Leong asked a question in Parliament today about
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Speaker 3: anti Semitism. Now I find this really difficult to stomach
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Speaker 3: that people like the Greens, who do not call out
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Speaker 3: equally hateful and damaging messages emanating from some in the
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Speaker 3: pro Palestinian protests, you.
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Speaker 2: Know, have no problem calling out the neo Nazis.
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Speaker 7: It was a bit surprising today to hear that, Look,
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Speaker 7: there there is hope. I think if we can start
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Speaker 7: one bad group at a time, that's fair enough, but
21:06
Speaker 7: she certainly doesn't have a good track record. She's a
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Speaker 7: member of Parliament that has a history of bringing in
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Speaker 7: activist groups into our parliament, disrespecting the institution of New
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Speaker 7: South Wales Parliament. If you've seen the light, great, we
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Speaker 7: welcome it. But look, I like the fact that we
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Speaker 7: are all focused today on removing this fascist group from
21:25
Speaker 7: the steps of Parliament in future if we have an
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Speaker 7: extra voice, even if it's Jenny's.
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Speaker 3: I just find it frustrating that there's this failure to
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Speaker 3: recognize the equally damaging messages, of course, and it comes
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Speaker 3: from you know, the pro Palestinian activists that the Death
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Speaker 3: Chance and others.
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Speaker 7: You know, you can't pick and choose your film of hate,
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Speaker 7: one kind of hate that you would accept exactly.
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Speaker 2: It all should be condemned.
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Speaker 3: Kelly, thank you so much for your very strong voice
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Speaker 3: and for all that you've I'm sorry for all that
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Speaker 3: you've enjoyed personally this fast time.
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Speaker 7: Well, I'm absolutely fine, but thank you so much, and
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Speaker 7: thanks for the voice that you lent to this as well.
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Speaker 2: Thank you.
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Speaker 3: Thanks cap all right still to come, Australia's Sex Discrimination
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Speaker 3: Commissioner try to block the reappointment of a United Nations
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Speaker 3: official who dared to say only women can breastfeed, and
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Speaker 3: it comes as a counselor was expelled from the Breastfeeding
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Speaker 3: Association and thrown off social media when she also made
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Speaker 3: similar comments. Well why is this topic subject to so
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Speaker 3: much censorship?
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Speaker 2: That's next.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back and joining me now is the Australians Associate editor,
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Speaker 3: Jamie Walker.
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Speaker 2: Jamie, thanks for your time.
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Speaker 3: Now, you've written this week about the United Nations special
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Speaker 3: Rapperteo Reem Al Salem, who said that men do not breastfeed.
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Speaker 3: Now tell us about the response from Australia's Sex Discrimination
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Speaker 3: Commissioner to this.
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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I think it's very interesting because it goes
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Speaker 5: to this whole discussion about, you know, do about you know,
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Speaker 5: the the right of women to assert their ability to
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Speaker 5: have women only spaces, the right of women to say, well, hey,
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Speaker 5: something like breastfeeding is actually a woman's only kind of responsibility,
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Speaker 5: and of course the increasing push by the transgender lobby
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Speaker 5: into these spaces. So yeah, I think it's almost like
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Speaker 5: a story of our times, you know, talking about how
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Speaker 5: all these conflicting agendas come together.
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Speaker 3: I couldn't believe in the story you wrote a couple
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Speaker 3: of days ago that there seems to be this trend
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Speaker 3: where transgender women, so transgender women born biological men now
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Speaker 3: claim to be able to actually breastfeed after taking medication
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Speaker 3: so they produce a substance.
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Speaker 2: How is this possible?
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Speaker 5: Well, that was what the story is about, and medically
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Speaker 5: it is possible because what happens is that endocrinologists in
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Speaker 5: transgender women and as you point out, Shari, that's a
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Speaker 5: person born as a biological man who changes gender, but
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Speaker 5: then in this case with a woman called Jennifer Adrian
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Speaker 5: Buckley in Brisbane completed that with sex change surgery can
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Speaker 5: actually breastfeed. Well, the fact is that the body of
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Speaker 5: that person can be tricked into mimicking what happens in
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Speaker 5: a pregnant woman. And this is what happened with Jennifer Buckley.
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Speaker 5: We're told it's happened with about twenty other women or
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Speaker 5: people in Australia and a counselor from the Australian Breastfeeding
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Speaker 5: Association had the temerity to challenge this and it's resulted
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Speaker 5: in a battery of complaints and these have ended up
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Speaker 5: before the Queensland Administrative Tribunal and it will be heard
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Speaker 5: next year and essentially it's going to be a test
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Speaker 5: case with a person such as Vis Buckley. Can breastfeed.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, very difficult, as this conversation is proving to actually
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Speaker 3: speak about this topic isn't a Jamie particularly probably for
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Speaker 3: you as a man, but I appreciate your journalism on
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Speaker 3: this has been fascinating. I highly recommend everyone look up
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Speaker 3: Jamie Walker's articles in The Australian. Thank you so much
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Speaker 3: for joining us, and that's all we've got time for today.
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Speaker 3: I'll be back at the regular time of eight pm tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for your company. Here's James McPherson.