Latest / Movie Meltdown / The Many Facets of Brad Dourif
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- 0:04Speaker 1: My name's Serena Vincent and you're listening to Movie Meltdown.
- 0:15Speaker 2: This episode is rated M for Misty. Yes, that's right,
- 0:18Speaker 2: this is a Misty episode, so it will be laced
- 0:20Speaker 2: with profanity even more than usual. If you're not comfortable
- 0:23Speaker 2: with this level of profanity, perhaps this isn't the episode
- 0:26Speaker 2: for you. But we have many other episodes to choose
- 0:28Speaker 2: from that do not feature Misty and will probably be
- 0:31Speaker 2: far less offensive. Okay, maybe. that having been said on
- 0:35Speaker 2: with the show.
- 0:36Speaker 3: It's showtime folks enjoy the show our nuclear reactor pumping
- 0:40Speaker 3: out one million kilowatts of power.
- 1:22Speaker 4: This isn't the Junior Chamber of.
- 1:25Speaker 3: Commerce, Brad.
- 1:38Speaker 5: What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown.
- 1:39Speaker 2: I'm Brian.
- 1:40Speaker 1: I am Misty.
- 1:41Speaker 5: And we're coming to you live via digital recording from
- 1:44Speaker 5: Fandom Fest here in Louisville. And we are currently, once again,
- 1:47Speaker 5: in the Hall of Dead Creepy Meat Guys.
- 1:50Speaker 1: Yeah, I did more exploration while you and David were talking.
- 1:54Speaker 1: I was reading some of the signs and they're a
- 1:55Speaker 1: lot more disturbing than I'd originally anticipated. Because we are
- 1:58Speaker 1: in the saddle and sirloin section.
- 2:01Speaker 5: I have a wing of that in my place too.
- 2:03Speaker 6: I know.
- 2:03Speaker 1: Apparently it's all those who have thrived in the meat and...
- 2:07Speaker 1: saddle industry i guess i don't.
- 2:09Speaker 5: Know horses you gotta pick the right saddle.
- 2:11Speaker 1: Yeah one over there one guy over there his whole
- 2:13Speaker 1: achievement was that he uh was judging carcasses or something
- 2:17Speaker 1: he was a good judge and the other one wrote
- 2:21Speaker 1: a book like on meat.
- 2:24Speaker 5: It just says meat he's holding it it's.
- 2:26Speaker 1: The meat handbook it's it helps.
- 2:28Speaker 5: You that sounds really different than what i'm assuming it
- 2:31Speaker 5: well i could be wrong i don't know what that
- 2:32Speaker 5: guy's into but I'm pretty sure if you go Google
- 2:36Speaker 5: Book of Meat, you're going to get something different.
- 2:38Speaker 1: I do that on a daily basis. Let me tell you.
- 2:40Speaker 5: Hey, to each their own, man.
- 2:41Speaker 6: I know, right?
- 2:42Speaker 5: I pass no judgment. I mean, I do, but not
- 2:44Speaker 5: about that.
- 2:44Speaker 1: I pass all the judgment, especially yours.
- 2:45Speaker 5: We've been doing that most of the day. I know, right? Oh,
- 2:48Speaker 5: that's not the costume for you.
- 2:49Speaker 1: That is not the costume for your body shape.
- 2:52Speaker 5: That is not the way to go. I mean, more
- 2:54Speaker 5: power to you.
- 2:55Speaker 2: Feel free to.
- 2:55Speaker 1: While dodging people that I don't want to see, like
- 2:57Speaker 1: my crazy potential stalker from.
- 3:00Speaker 5: back in the day junior.
- 3:01Speaker 1: To senior year who mysteriously disappeared after she claimed that
- 3:04Speaker 1: she saw her boyfriend get murdered in front of her
- 3:06Speaker 1: and then she had to go work somewhere.
- 3:07Speaker 5: This boyfriend that you'd never met before yeah.
- 3:09Speaker 1: She was my best friend yet I'd never heard of
- 3:11Speaker 1: this boyfriend and yet didn't she had to go she
- 3:13Speaker 1: ran off to New York to work at a horse racing.
- 3:17Speaker 5: Place that equals strip club for you at home And
- 3:20Speaker 5: then she showed.
- 3:21Speaker 1: Up on my door one day with a child.
- 3:25Speaker 5: It was yours.
- 3:27Speaker 7: No.
- 3:27Speaker 5: Oh, damn.
- 3:28Speaker 1: She claimed that I was the godmother, and I'm like, no.
- 3:33Speaker 5: I don't think that's how it works.
- 3:34Speaker 1: And then she had no teeth.
- 3:36Speaker 5: Math will do that to you.
- 3:37Speaker 1: And me being as smooth as I am, she's like, yeah,
- 3:39Speaker 1: I had a baby. I'm like, did they take all
- 3:41Speaker 1: your teeth at the same time?
- 3:43Speaker 5: You are a caring woman.
- 3:45Speaker 1: And this is why I've never had any children or friends.
- 3:49Speaker 5: It's just me.
- 3:50Speaker 1: It is, truly.
- 3:52Speaker 8: Jesse.
- 3:53Speaker 1: Jay likes me.
- 3:54Speaker 5: Jesse moved far, far away.
- 3:56Speaker 1: Jesse's always been far away. Oh, wait.
- 3:58Speaker 5: That's the only way it works. She stays away from you.
- 4:01Speaker 5: Every once in a while, she runs into you. Even
- 4:05Speaker 5: that's not much these days. Hardly ever see her.
- 4:07Speaker 1: I haven't seen her since her wedding.
- 4:08Speaker 5: And we know Jay's got issues.
- 4:10Speaker 8: He does.
- 4:10Speaker 5: Otherwise, what the hell would he be doing in that house?
- 4:12Speaker 1: He's been hitting the head a lot.
- 4:13Speaker 5: That's true. That explains so much.
- 4:15Speaker 1: But, yeah, she's just very strange, my stalker. She's not
- 4:19Speaker 1: really a stalker. I just try to avoid her at
- 4:21Speaker 1: all costs. She found me on Facebook several years back,
- 4:24Speaker 1: and the last time I heard from her was she
- 4:26Speaker 1: was crying. I think she just got arrested, and one
- 4:30Speaker 1: of her kids was in the hospital, and I'm just like,
- 4:33Speaker 1: why am I not getting dragged into this whole crazy.
- 4:36Speaker 5: Why is the state not taking them away yet?
- 4:38Speaker 1: We saw her today, and I did not see any children, so.
- 4:41Speaker 5: In this place where it would be fine to bring children,
- 4:43Speaker 5: she didn't have any with her, so I'm assuming they've hopefully,
- 4:47Speaker 5: been taken away from her.
- 4:48Speaker 1: She did name one of them Azrael.
- 4:50Speaker 5: That's just child abuse right there.
- 4:52Speaker 1: I know, right? I didn't bother to learn what the
- 4:55Speaker 1: other kids that she had names were of.
- 4:57Speaker 5: She probably didn't either.
- 4:58Speaker 1: I know, right? But, yeah, it was an immediate gut-wrenching reaction.
- 5:02Speaker 1: I'm like, I saw her. I'm like, it's Crazy Head. Run, run, run.
- 5:06Speaker 1: Don't look back. Don't look back.
- 5:07Speaker 5: Go, go, go, go, go. Yeah, it takes a lot
- 5:09Speaker 5: to make Misty want to run.
- 5:10Speaker 2: I know.
- 5:11Speaker 5: That's hard to do it.
- 5:13Speaker 1: I walked briskly.
- 5:14Speaker 5: That's more than you normally want to do.
- 5:16Speaker 1: I got winded walking up the stairs. I'm fat.
- 5:20Speaker 5: I wouldn't go that far. You're just not the most
- 5:22Speaker 5: active person. You like a couch. I do like a couch.
- 5:25Speaker 5: You can watch TV.
- 5:25Speaker 1: I like my jammies.
- 5:27Speaker 5: Yeah, I was surprised you didn't show up in them today.
- 5:29Speaker 1: If I'd known that was an option, I've seen several
- 5:31Speaker 1: people walking about in their gym jams, and I'm just like,
- 5:33Speaker 1: wait a second.
- 5:35Speaker 5: Robes? So... Do we want to address more walking around peoples?
- 5:41Speaker 4: I don't know.
- 5:42Speaker 1: There have been quite a few. There have been a
- 5:44Speaker 1: lot of cosplayers here. A lot, like I said, a
- 5:46Speaker 1: lot in costumes that somebody should have pulled them aside
- 5:48Speaker 1: and said, you know, Spanx are really good.
- 5:53Speaker 5: Well, again, I say more power to you. If that's
- 5:56Speaker 5: your thing, go for it. It's all too much trouble
- 5:59Speaker 5: to me. I got a show to make. I ain't
- 6:01Speaker 5: got time for costumes.
- 6:02Speaker 1: Or at least accessorize properly. Don't wear fucking flip flops.
- 6:05Speaker 5: That I'll let you have.
- 6:06Speaker 1: Or don't wear Crocs. With your fucking gladiator outfit.
- 6:10Speaker 5: If you're going to go, go all the way. So
- 6:11Speaker 5: if you're willing to do the whole thing.
- 6:14Speaker 9: You know.
- 6:14Speaker 1: Extraterrestrials don't wear flip flops. Except for maybe Paul. I
- 6:17Speaker 1: don't know.
- 6:19Speaker 5: Alf wasn't wearing flip flops. He was in there again.
- 6:21Speaker 8: He reappeared.
- 6:21Speaker 5: I didn't see him.
- 6:22Speaker 1: I didn't see him.
- 6:23Speaker 5: He's walking around full on furry Alf costume with a
- 6:26Speaker 5: sign that says, got cat.
- 6:28Speaker 1: I must have missed it.
- 6:30Speaker 5: And, again, it's a dated reference. And I saw that
- 6:32Speaker 5: costume years ago. And this dude must have dusted it
- 6:35Speaker 5: off and brought it back out because he's wandering around today.
- 6:37Speaker 1: I totally squealed with, like, excitement and joy because of,
- 6:41Speaker 1: I can tell from my voice right now. Sorceress, is
- 6:45Speaker 1: that what we decided?
- 6:46Speaker 5: Oh, yes. Sorceress and She-Ra. That was Sorceress and She-Ra.
- 6:49Speaker 1: The Sorceress was pretty impressive.
- 6:51Speaker 5: That was a good costume. They were both good costumes.
- 6:53Speaker 5: But Sorceress looked good. Like, she dead on was Sorceress. Like,
- 6:58Speaker 5: She-Ra just looked like she was in a She-Ra costume,
- 7:00Speaker 5: but sorceress looked like sorceress.
- 7:01Speaker 1: She committed. She wore appropriate convention footwear.
- 7:05Speaker 5: But we did give bonus points to She-Ra because she
- 7:08Speaker 5: had a bitchin' Bowie tattoo.
- 7:10Speaker 1: Fuckin' A she did.
- 7:11Speaker 5: That was a cool tattoo.
- 7:11Speaker 1: It was pretty awesome.
- 7:12Speaker 5: She did get extra bonus points for that.
- 7:14Speaker 1: So She-Ra, if you're out there, hell yeah on the
- 7:16Speaker 1: David Bowie tattoo.
- 7:17Speaker 5: All right, so have you seen anything lately?
- 7:22Speaker 1: I've not watched any movies, but I did start watching Preacher.
- 7:29Speaker 5: Still haven't gotten around to it.
- 7:30Speaker 1: I think I've got two episodes left in the first season,
- 7:32Speaker 1: so even I can't ruin it for people out there
- 7:34Speaker 1: because I don't even know what's happening right now. I
- 7:37Speaker 1: put off watching it for a long time because it
- 7:39Speaker 1: has that one guy whose name I don't know right now.
- 7:42Speaker 5: Ah, that guy.
- 7:43Speaker 1: But Cassidy, his name is Cassidy on the show. He's
- 7:47Speaker 1: the vampire, but he's also the fucker that ruined Misfits.
- 7:51Speaker 1: And then part of me is like, did he ruin
- 7:53Speaker 1: Misfits so much as Robert Sheehan leaving ruined Misfits?
- 7:58Speaker 5: That's going to happen.
- 7:59Speaker 1: Because it happened at the same time. I blamed, I blamed,
- 8:02Speaker 1: he was Rudy on Misfits. But now he's Cassidy. But
- 8:06Speaker 1: I don't hate him as Cassidy. So I'm like, maybe
- 8:08Speaker 1: if I can make it through all of Preacher, maybe eventually, someday,
- 8:11Speaker 1: I can potentially go back. And then I'm like, no,
- 8:13Speaker 1: I can't. Fuck Misfits after Nathan left. Because after Nathan left,
- 8:18Speaker 1: there's no point in watching Misfits. I don't even care.
- 8:21Speaker 1: But anyways, back to Preacher. I've decided that I love
- 8:24Speaker 1: it because I'm pretty sure, in my head at least,
- 8:28Speaker 1: I don't remember his name right now. Dominic Cooper? Is
- 8:30Speaker 1: that his name?
- 8:31Speaker 5: That sounds like a name.
- 8:33Speaker 1: To me, he is like poor man's Carl Urban, so
- 8:35Speaker 1: you know I am all over that shit.
- 8:37Speaker 5: You're all on board.
- 8:38Speaker 2: I am.
- 8:39Speaker 1: I don't know what it is exactly, but something about him.
- 8:42Speaker 1: Maybe it's just the sarcastic look he gives everyone. So
- 8:44Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, that's Carl Urban right there. Because Carl
- 8:46Speaker 1: Urban is one sarcastic looking motherfucker.
- 8:48Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't argue that.
- 8:50Speaker 1: He's so fucking handsome, though. But both of them, Carl
- 8:54Speaker 1: Urban and I'm thinking Dominic Cooper. Because first I was like,
- 8:58Speaker 1: is his name Dominic West? And I'm like, no, that
- 9:00Speaker 1: is not Dominic West because he is not attractive.
- 9:03Speaker 5: Not the same.
- 9:04Speaker 1: Not at all. And I'm like, what other Dominic are there?
- 9:07Speaker 1: Because I'm like, I know it's a Dominic, but it's like, whatever.
- 9:10Speaker 1: But yeah, I've gotten really, I said, I've got two
- 9:12Speaker 1: episodes left. So I'm pretty sure I like this show.
- 9:15Speaker 1: Because it was like, oh, there's another girl from Misfits
- 9:16Speaker 1: was on there too. Nikki was on there. Which is
- 9:20Speaker 1: weird seeing her going from playing kind of a slutty
- 9:23Speaker 1: British girl to kind of a slutty white trash Alabama girl.
- 9:28Speaker 5: Isn't that different?
- 9:30Speaker 1: The accent's different.
- 9:31Speaker 5: I'll give you the accent.
- 9:32Speaker 1: At least Rudy and Cassidy have the same accent because they're,
- 9:35Speaker 1: you know, whatever, the same. But yeah, hers was just
- 9:38Speaker 1: completely different. I'm like, where do I know this girl?
- 9:39Speaker 1: It took me forever. I'm like, where do I know
- 9:40Speaker 1: this girl? What have I seen her in? And I'm like,
- 9:43Speaker 1: I looked at the book. Nikki, which accent is alive?
- 9:48Speaker 5: All of them. It's called acting.
- 9:50Speaker 8: No.
- 9:53Speaker 1: I haven't watched any other movies or really any other shows,
- 9:55Speaker 1: but we did go to some concerts. Should we talk
- 9:56Speaker 1: about the concerts?
- 9:58Speaker 5: I think that's on the music episode. Do you want
- 10:01Speaker 5: to talk about the concerts?
- 10:02Speaker 10: I guess not.
- 10:02Speaker 1: We don't have to. I haven't watched anything else, so
- 10:06Speaker 1: that's all the extent of my.
- 10:08Speaker 5: I saw the new Star Tricks.
- 10:10Speaker 1: I have not seen the new Star Trek movie yet.
- 10:12Speaker 1: I've been slacking.
- 10:13Speaker 5: It's... it's fine. Like, I think that was my thing. Like,
- 10:16Speaker 5: I didn't have, like, a huge response to it one
- 10:19Speaker 5: way or the other. Afterwards, I was like, yeah, all right.
- 10:23Speaker 1: We just haven't had a chance to go see it
- 10:24Speaker 1: yet because Boyfriend's been working ridiculous hours.
- 10:26Speaker 5: Yeah, that's true.
- 10:27Speaker 1: So, like, now that he's going back to a more
- 10:30Speaker 1: realistically hour job, maybe we'll get a chance to go
- 10:32Speaker 1: see it.
- 10:33Speaker 5: I feel like this was one of those, like, again,
- 10:35Speaker 5: if we're doing it like it's episodes, it's like it's
- 10:38Speaker 5: one of those other episodes. I mean, like, I don't
- 10:41Speaker 5: want to put it that way because I feel like
- 10:43Speaker 5: there's big, stuff kind of going on within this own story,
- 10:47Speaker 5: but it does feel like, okay, there was this big
- 10:49Speaker 5: thing that happened in that last movie, and then at
- 10:51Speaker 5: the end, there's gonna be, oh, here we go to
- 10:54Speaker 5: go do some more big things. But this one's, like,
- 10:56Speaker 5: so self-contained, it feels like it's its own little, like,
- 10:59Speaker 5: bottle episode of, like, you can just watch this one,
- 11:02Speaker 5: and everything that goes on, you're like, eh, okay, good enough.
- 11:04Speaker 5: You know, like, you don't have to have tons of history. Like,
- 11:07Speaker 5: it's its own little weird offshoot adventure on this planet, and, like,
- 11:10Speaker 5: within this little setup.
- 11:13Speaker 1: Was Carl Urban snarky?
- 11:14Speaker 5: He's always snarky.
- 11:15Speaker 1: I know, that's why I love him.
- 11:17Speaker 5: The thing that's probably, I guess two different things within
- 11:19Speaker 5: the cast that are most shocking, not going to be
- 11:22Speaker 5: the thing everybody's talking about right now. Well, to me,
- 11:24Speaker 5: I just went in going, well, I expected, especially in
- 11:28Speaker 5: the light of the sad way things have worked out,
- 11:31Speaker 5: there's hardly any Anton.
- 11:33Speaker 1: I think it was already done.
- 11:34Speaker 5: Oh, it was. That's what, but I'm saying like, I
- 11:36Speaker 5: think it was done and ready to roll. Like it
- 11:38Speaker 5: was probably, you know, ready to ship the theaters by
- 11:40Speaker 5: the time his accident happened. But I'm like, I think
- 11:43Speaker 5: just as a story, like I was surprised, I felt
- 11:45Speaker 5: like more, he was more involved in the team, you know,
- 11:49Speaker 5: in previous movies, especially that first one. And like, he's
- 11:52Speaker 5: just kind of in the background in this.
- 11:54Speaker 1: So will it not be as hard to phase him
- 11:55Speaker 1: out then?
- 11:56Speaker 5: I guess so. I mean, based on this one, no,
- 11:58Speaker 5: I'm trying.
- 11:59Speaker 1: To like belittle his death or anything. Cause I was,
- 12:01Speaker 1: I was very sad.
- 12:02Speaker 5: We both like, yeah, you sent me that message. Like, uh,
- 12:05Speaker 5: what the hell happened? And like, it sucks. Like it
- 12:08Speaker 5: really sucks because he's so damn good. And I, side note,
- 12:14Speaker 5: I also just watched green room, watch green room. It
- 12:16Speaker 5: is a, fucking great movie it is a great movie
- 12:19Speaker 5: and he that's the one I was like I was
- 12:22Speaker 5: really depressed watching that because I'm like he's really good
- 12:25Speaker 5: in this like he was a really good actor that
- 12:28Speaker 5: we granted he's got like 8 movies that are already
- 12:30Speaker 5: finished that I guess we are still going to get
- 12:32Speaker 5: to see more performances out of him but I think
- 12:34Speaker 5: it would have been really cool to see where he
- 12:36Speaker 5: turned up in 20-30 years because I feel like he
- 12:39Speaker 5: had the chops to be a really big actor.
- 12:43Speaker 1: I know I don't know if they actually plan on
- 12:45Speaker 1: any at any point.
- 12:46Speaker 5: I don't think so, actually.
- 12:47Speaker 1: I don't think so either.
- 12:48Speaker 5: But damn it.
- 12:49Speaker 1: Sad days. Our shoes match.
- 12:52Speaker 5: Because we're super cool like that.
- 12:53Speaker 1: Are yours low tops or high tops?
- 12:56Speaker 5: These are high tops. So we have at least different
- 12:58Speaker 5: variations on the subject. But, you know, Chuck's for life, man.
- 13:02Speaker 1: Fuckin' A.
- 13:05Speaker 5: The other thing on the Star Trek front that is,
- 13:07Speaker 5: this one's a little more, and I'm not complaining. I
- 13:09Speaker 5: like it. I think it's just interesting that This one,
- 13:14Speaker 5: I feel like, has a much bigger role for Scotty.
- 13:17Speaker 5: By the way, guess who wrote the movie?
- 13:20Speaker 1: Simon Pegg.
- 13:20Speaker 5: Simon Pegg co-wrote the movie. I feel like Scotty's got
- 13:24Speaker 5: a lot more screen time in this one than before.
- 13:26Speaker 1: They cut out certain aspects of his idea for Sulu.
- 13:31Speaker 5: It's still there, the big thing. I won't go into it.
- 13:34Speaker 5: It's its own little news item. Feel free to Google
- 13:37Speaker 5: it if you haven't heard. I'm sure you have if
- 13:38Speaker 5: you're a geek.
- 13:39Speaker 1: Even George Takei wasn't happy with it.
- 13:41Speaker 5: That and that's the thing like that and i don't
- 13:45Speaker 5: again i don't mind it within the movie but it
- 13:47Speaker 5: is interesting what george's issue was with it and it
- 13:50Speaker 5: wasn't all of the social justice warrior reasons you might
- 13:54Speaker 5: think it was artistic it was within the context of
- 13:56Speaker 5: the story canon it didn't fit the way that he
- 14:00Speaker 5: played him before and i it is interesting because this
- 14:03Speaker 5: isn't a different character this isn't a reboot this is
- 14:06Speaker 5: a different timeline but it is the same character so
- 14:09Speaker 5: He doesn't feel like it should be a different person
- 14:13Speaker 5: or played differently. It's very complicated.
- 14:15Speaker 8: I don't know.
- 14:16Speaker 5: I'm leaving all that alone. The movie's done with, so
- 14:19Speaker 5: I guess there's nothing to do about it now. But yeah,
- 14:22Speaker 5: I found more issues with the fact that there was
- 14:24Speaker 5: no Anton and there was a whole bunch of Simon.
- 14:27Speaker 5: And once again, proving that sabotage is the greatest accomplishment
- 14:33Speaker 5: of humanity, I feel.
- 14:34Speaker 1: Is it in there again? I thought it was in
- 14:35Speaker 1: the first one.
- 14:37Speaker 5: Sabotage. Go see the movie. It's all about sabotage.
- 14:41Speaker 1: It's in the first movie, isn't it? It's been a
- 14:45Speaker 1: long time since I've watched them. I'm slacking on my nerddom.
- 14:48Speaker 5: Sabotage. But on to a different song, and this is
- 14:52Speaker 5: something I almost said something yesterday. I'm like, no, no, wait.
- 14:55Speaker 5: I've been meaning to bring this up on the show.
- 14:57Speaker 5: So when we were hanging out at a weird concert
- 14:59Speaker 5: yesterday talking about music, at some point you brought up
- 15:02Speaker 5: a certain artist, and I went, oh, no, wait. This
- 15:04Speaker 5: occurred to me when I first heard the song, and
- 15:06Speaker 5: then I heard somebody else restate it, and I was like,
- 15:09Speaker 5: this was in a coffee shop. The dude behind the
- 15:11Speaker 5: counter said something to his coworker, and I went, see,
- 15:13Speaker 5: it's not just me. Okay, so you're quite familiar with
- 15:18Speaker 5: Twilight Zone. Well, yeah. Night call. You know night call.
- 15:24Speaker 10: The old lady in the bed.
- 15:26Speaker 1: She's getting called and it's from her husband.
- 15:29Speaker 5: It's from the cemetery. The wires down in the graveyard.
- 15:32Speaker 1: Yeah, in the cemetery and it's on her husband's head.
- 15:35Speaker 5: Now, put that in your mind. Hello by Adele. It
- 15:40Speaker 5: took on a whole different meaning now.
- 15:42Speaker 1: I don't even know how to process this properly.
- 15:46Speaker 5: It's going to blow your mind. This whole concept is
- 15:50Speaker 5: just going to blow your mind. So, yeah, jump. We're
- 15:55Speaker 5: going to go out on it here. You can listen
- 15:56Speaker 5: for yourself. But let's just get to the point of
- 15:59Speaker 5: hello from the other side. I must have called a
- 16:01Speaker 5: thousand times to tell you I'm sorry for everything I've done.
- 16:05Speaker 5: But when I call, you never seem to be home.
- 16:08Speaker 5: Hello from the outside. At least I can say that
- 16:11Speaker 5: I've tried to tell you I'm sorry for breaking your... Like,
- 16:14Speaker 5: there's nothing in this that says the person she's calling
- 16:18Speaker 5: is alive. There's weird... Even as you go into it,
- 16:22Speaker 5: it gets more specific about California and all that bullshit.
- 16:25Speaker 5: But I'm like, it's all one-sided in this story, in
- 16:29Speaker 5: this song. It's completely one-sided. It very well could be
- 16:32Speaker 5: to no one or someone who's dead.
- 16:35Speaker 1: I thought that it was to herself.
- 16:37Speaker 5: It's so typical of you to mention yourself in the
- 16:41Speaker 5: middle of this story about Adele.
- 16:42Speaker 1: I know, right?
- 16:45Speaker 11: I don't know.
- 16:45Speaker 5: I just thought it was funny. The guy, he brought
- 16:47Speaker 5: up the exact same thing that I'd been thinking. It
- 16:50Speaker 5: is very kind of creepy in its own weird way
- 16:54Speaker 5: for something that became the most played song in America.
- 16:57Speaker 5: It's kind of a creepy thing.
- 16:58Speaker 1: I would never look at it the same again.
- 17:01Speaker 5: It kind of made me like it a little more
- 17:02Speaker 5: because I like Twilight Zone. I like it better as
- 17:06Speaker 5: a weird, creepy song to a person that's not around
- 17:09Speaker 5: anymore versus just a I screwed up a relationship song.
- 17:13Speaker 5: There's tons of those out there. But it now has
- 17:16Speaker 5: a nice creepy little thing going on. So, yeah, think
- 17:21Speaker 5: about that, people.
- 17:22Speaker 1: Well, now I'm creeped out.
- 17:26Speaker 5: That's the way to go out. So we'll take a
- 17:28Speaker 5: break and be back. And you guys process this.
- 17:33Speaker 1: My brain's broken.
- 17:34Speaker 10: Hello, it's me.
- 17:40Speaker 12: I was wondering if after all these years you'd like
- 17:45Speaker 12: to meet To go over everything They say that I'm
- 17:53Speaker 12: supposed to heal ya But ain't done much healing Hello?
- 18:01Speaker 12: Can you hear me? I'm in California dreaming about who
- 18:08Speaker 12: we used to be When we were younger and free
- 18:16Speaker 12: I forgot how it felt before the world fell at
- 18:21Speaker 12: our feet Such a difference between us and a million.
- 18:31Speaker 3: Miles Hello from the outside.
- 19:12Speaker 1: Yes, sir.
- 19:13Speaker 8: May I help you?
- 19:14Speaker 5: I'd like two of those, please.
- 19:16Speaker 4: Hot dogs?
- 19:18Speaker 8: Yes, sir.
- 19:18Speaker 3: And three of those. And one of those.
- 19:22Speaker 1: And five bars of these. And a cup of that
- 19:25Speaker 1: nice hot liquid.
- 19:26Speaker 5: Coffee. Coming right up.
- 19:29Speaker 1: Oh, and two bags of those peculiar white coffee material.
- 19:32Speaker 8: You mean our crunchy popcorn.
- 19:35Speaker 2: Uh, uh, shall I wrap that for you, sir?
- 19:38Speaker 9: Oh, that's all right.
- 19:39Speaker 8: My saucers jumped outside.
- 19:42Speaker 2: They come from miles to enjoy our intermission.
- 19:52Speaker 9: In a world of breathtaking models and the beautiful people,
- 19:58Speaker 9: Academy Award winner Faye Dunaway is photographer Laura Mars.
- 20:03Speaker 2: Her work, the subject of controversy.
- 20:07Speaker 9: Tommy Lee Jones is Detective John Neville. intrigued by her
- 20:11Speaker 9: photographs for his own reasons.
- 20:14Speaker 2: These are police photographs.
- 20:17Speaker 7: They are strictly our own material.
- 20:19Speaker 10: They were never published anywhere at all.
- 20:21Speaker 2: So my question is very simple.
- 20:23Speaker 1: Why are my photographs so much like yours?
- 20:25Speaker 2: That's right.
- 20:27Speaker 9: Somewhere between the sensations of high fashion and the precise
- 20:30Speaker 9: form of her art lies another dimension, unexplored, unexpected. Unwillingly,
- 20:47Speaker 9: Laura Mars becomes a witness to a series of murders
- 20:51Speaker 9: watching through the eyes of a killer. Eyes of Laura Mars.
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- 22:14Speaker 13: Hey, this is Danielle Harris. So I am now maybe,
- 22:17Speaker 13: quite possibly, one of the newest members of Movie Meltdown.
- 22:21Speaker 13: If I can ever actually get to the movies. But
- 22:24Speaker 13: I'll review some old 80s rom-coms for you.
- 22:29Speaker 5: See ya. It had to be you It had to
- 22:35Speaker 5: be you.
- 22:38Speaker 12: I wandered around and finally found the somebody who.
- 22:46Speaker 2: This week I was thrilled to get a chance to
- 22:48Speaker 2: sit down and talk with Brad Dourif.
- 22:50Speaker 10: He's a fascinating and intense.
- 22:53Speaker 1: Actor who's worked with some of the.
- 22:55Speaker 3: Greatest names in the business.
- 23:11Speaker 5: So now we'll go to our segment with Brad as
- 23:13Speaker 5: we learn a lot about his experiences working on different
- 23:16Speaker 5: projects over the years and the process he goes through,
- 23:19Speaker 5: or maybe more accurately, the way he processes the world
- 23:23Speaker 5: to turn it into these amazing performances. I try to
- 23:32Speaker 5: kind of get in early and see how everybody kind
- 23:34Speaker 5: of finds their way into the entertainment industry. Were you
- 23:38Speaker 5: interested in... theater as a kid or how did it
- 23:42Speaker 5: start as far as the arts were concerned? Well, it
- 23:44Speaker 5: was really my mother.
- 23:48Speaker 8: She was an actress. As I was growing up, she
- 23:53Speaker 8: did plays at the local community theater and I used
- 23:57Speaker 8: to go and watch her rehearse and she was doing
- 24:03Speaker 8: Anastasia and I watched a rehearsal where she was She
- 24:09Speaker 8: was talking about butterflies, and I could see them on
- 24:13Speaker 8: the stage even though they weren't there. And I thought
- 24:17Speaker 8: to myself, I want to learn how to do that.
- 24:22Speaker 5: It already seemed like a craft, like something you definitely
- 24:25Speaker 5: needed to learn. You had already kind of pieced together
- 24:29Speaker 5: how much work it was going to be that young?
- 24:31Speaker 8: Yeah, kind of. I just knew I wanted to do it.
- 24:36Speaker 8: Something inside me clicked.
- 24:38Speaker 5: And then did it end up going down the school road,
- 24:41Speaker 5: or did you end up sticking with her?
- 24:45Speaker 8: No, I went to boarding school, and I acted as
- 24:50Speaker 8: much as I could in boarding school.
- 24:53Speaker 10: And loved it.
- 24:54Speaker 8: And then I went when I finished, or during the summers, actually,
- 24:58Speaker 8: while I was still in boarding school, I worked at
- 25:01Speaker 8: Greenbrier Repertory Theater doing... anything I could get my hands
- 25:08Speaker 8: on and taking the small little parts that they gave
- 25:12Speaker 8: to locals. And, uh, so I, I worked there for
- 25:16Speaker 8: three years. Um, finally after I graduated, um, I spent
- 25:20Speaker 8: my last year there. Then I went to college, uh,
- 25:24Speaker 8: and at Marshall University and I was, um, doing a
- 25:28Speaker 8: sort of a political review at the time. And Conchata
- 25:32Speaker 8: Farrell actually came up to me and she said, you know, I'm,
- 25:36Speaker 8: I'm at this new theater and you should come to
- 25:38Speaker 8: New York. Um, I got a lucky draft number and
- 25:44Speaker 8: went to New York and, and started it and took
- 25:47Speaker 8: her up on her offer and, and went and started doing, um, um,
- 25:52Speaker 8: you know, stage managing all, anything I could do there
- 25:56Speaker 8: and took small parts again. And, uh, Marshall Mason saw
- 26:00Speaker 8: me who was the, um, the head of circle rep
- 26:03Speaker 8: at that time. And, and, um, you know, was, uh,
- 26:07Speaker 8: the artistic director for years during its heyday as well. Um,
- 26:12Speaker 8: and he saw me in a rehearsal and made me
- 26:14Speaker 8: a member of the permanent company.
- 26:17Speaker 10: Um, and then I got bigger parts.
- 26:20Speaker 8: Um, and I, um, I worked, you know, there and then, um,
- 26:26Speaker 8: I realized that I needed more help and I studied
- 26:28Speaker 8: for two years with Sandy Meisner. And during that time,
- 26:32Speaker 8: even though he told me I couldn't do theater, I, um,
- 26:35Speaker 8: I did a workshop production of When You Come In Back,
- 26:38Speaker 8: Red Rider, and that went off-Broadway.
- 26:43Speaker 5: Did he tell you that because he wanted you to
- 26:45Speaker 5: focus on what he was doing?
- 26:47Speaker 8: Yes, he wanted me to focus on what he was
- 26:50Speaker 8: trying to teach me, and I wasn't supposed to do that,
- 26:53Speaker 8: and he put me in what was known as the
- 26:55Speaker 8: retarded class for the second year, and then I guess
- 27:01Speaker 8: he'd He reads reviews, and I'd gotten some good reviews
- 27:04Speaker 8: from When You're Coming Back, Red Ryder. And he said,
- 27:09Speaker 8: so I see you're doing a play when I told
- 27:14Speaker 8: you not to. No, he said, who told you you
- 27:17Speaker 8: could do a play? And I said, me. And, you know,
- 27:23Speaker 8: that was the play that Milos Forman saw me and
- 27:27Speaker 8: eventually cast me as Billy Bibbit. Wow. in Cuckoo's Nest,
- 27:31Speaker 8: and that was sort of the start of my career.
- 27:33Speaker 5: I mean, that's such a different medium and a different
- 27:37Speaker 5: style of acting and approaching an audience versus working specifically
- 27:42Speaker 5: for a camera. Was film something you were concerned with
- 27:46Speaker 5: early on? Was it something that interested you?
- 27:48Speaker 8: No, I knew that if I watched people who had
- 27:54Speaker 8: done it, I could figure out pretty much how to
- 27:58Speaker 8: do it. Once you know, a little something about acting,
- 28:02Speaker 8: all you have to do is act. And so I,
- 28:07Speaker 8: you know, I just watched Nicholson and kind of, and
- 28:11Speaker 8: he was extraordinarily generous as an actor and learned a
- 28:16Speaker 8: lot and somehow managed to.
- 28:20Speaker 10: Muff my way through the shooting.
- 28:23Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I mean, that, Other than working with Males Form. Like,
- 28:30Speaker 5: that cast is amazing. Like, looking back now, like, everybody
- 28:35Speaker 5: that was in there turned out to be these amazing actors.
- 28:38Speaker 8: Yeah.
- 28:38Speaker 5: And some huge stars later. So, I don't know. I
- 28:41Speaker 5: guess at the time, could you kind of feel that?
- 28:45Speaker 5: That everybody was kind of going.
- 28:47Speaker 8: I knew something extraordinary was going on.
- 28:50Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 28:50Speaker 5: I mean, it's... Obviously, working with Nicholson at that point
- 28:54Speaker 5: is pretty.
- 28:55Speaker 2: Overwhelming, but.
- 28:57Speaker 5: I guess you said you learned from him. Was he
- 28:59Speaker 5: someone that was super.
- 29:01Speaker 7: Approachable at that point? Did he like to work with people?
- 29:04Speaker 8: He loved working with other actors. He loved to watch
- 29:07Speaker 8: what other actors were doing. He has a very improvisational
- 29:13Speaker 8: style and he's very funny. He did a magnificent job
- 29:21Speaker 8: of shepherding us into a different medium.
- 29:26Speaker 5: And then, I guess, how is Foreman to work with
- 29:29Speaker 5: as a director? And what was the balance, I guess,
- 29:31Speaker 5: between Nicholson? I mean, was he, you know, Foreman still
- 29:35Speaker 5: in charge of the set because he's the director?
- 29:38Speaker 10: Foreman was.
- 29:39Speaker 8: Milos was definitely in control of the set. Milos definitely
- 29:46Speaker 8: just knew where a performance was and how to shoot it,
- 29:50Speaker 8: how to use actors. You know, he would shoot a
- 29:54Speaker 8: lot of actors that annoyed people just because it annoyed people.
- 29:58Speaker 8: you know, and he would get reactions from people. And
- 30:04Speaker 8: he just kept us all very awake and made sure
- 30:11Speaker 8: we got it.
- 30:13Speaker 5: And then, I mean, especially in that movie, in that
- 30:17Speaker 5: scenario that everybody's in, how much was everyone preset as to, okay,
- 30:22Speaker 5: this is what you need to be doing sometimes very specific,
- 30:25Speaker 5: like in that moment, because everybody's kind of doing their
- 30:28Speaker 5: own crazy little things at any given moment. Was it
- 30:30Speaker 5: all everybody had stuff that was preset that they were
- 30:34Speaker 5: supposed to be doing at any given moment?
- 30:36Speaker 8: Well, we rehearsed all the scenes before we shot them.
- 30:39Speaker 8: We did two weeks of rehearsal before, so we knew
- 30:42Speaker 8: how the scenes were going to go, but there was
- 30:45Speaker 8: an improvisational aspect to it.
- 30:47Speaker 5: And then that, I guess he just kind of rolls
- 30:50Speaker 5: with it and lets you go with it, yeah. I
- 30:53Speaker 5: was trying to go through some of the other, the
- 30:56Speaker 5: earlier ones, and I was thinking Eyes of Laura Mars
- 30:59Speaker 5: is one of those I watched years, and just Irving
- 31:02Speaker 5: Kirschner is one of those that he was a, his
- 31:06Speaker 5: career was always weird. He was always coming in on
- 31:08Speaker 5: somebody else's property, so I didn't know what he was
- 31:11Speaker 5: like to work with as a director.
- 31:12Speaker 8: He was a great deal of fun.
- 31:14Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 31:15Speaker 8: You know, and we all had a great time with him,
- 31:19Speaker 8: I think.
- 31:19Speaker 5: I always thought he was such a solid director and
- 31:22Speaker 5: never really, really got thrown into the limelight he was
- 31:25Speaker 5: he was always just like good studio director and they
- 31:28Speaker 5: would always bring him in but he never got to
- 31:29Speaker 5: be the name that a lot of the other guys
- 31:31Speaker 5: did you just had the screening of wise blood i
- 31:34Speaker 5: guess had you seen that on the big screen in
- 31:37Speaker 5: recent years.
- 31:40Speaker 8: Uh actually i did see that at the you know
- 31:42Speaker 8: at the harry dean stanton fest and um I came
- 31:49Speaker 8: in in the middle, and it's part of the performance
- 31:54Speaker 8: that I didn't like as much. I like some of
- 31:56Speaker 8: the stuff I did, but I've always had problems with
- 31:58Speaker 8: my performance in that. Other people haven't, but I had.
- 32:02Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's working with John Huston. I mean, at
- 32:07Speaker 5: that time, he was still already kind of legendary.
- 32:10Speaker 8: Very much so.
- 32:11Speaker 5: Is that overwhelming to deal with coming in as an actor?
- 32:15Speaker 8: Not really, no.
- 32:18Speaker 10: Not really. We were at a point where cinema was changing.
- 32:24Speaker 8: And he kind of got a boost from that and
- 32:27Speaker 8: he went on to make other films.
- 32:30Speaker 10: But he wasn't difficult at all.
- 32:33Speaker 5: A lot of the directors you've worked with and projects
- 32:38Speaker 5: became very well known for different reasons. Something like Heaven's Gate.
- 32:43Speaker 5: That's one of those that In recent years now, I
- 32:47Speaker 5: hear so many people go back and watch it or
- 32:49Speaker 5: re-watch it and have a totally different take on it.
- 32:51Speaker 5: And it just kind of got caught up in the
- 32:53Speaker 5: press at the time, I guess. But being on that set,
- 32:56Speaker 5: I guess, what was that experience like? Did it seem
- 33:00Speaker 5: like it was running the way it needed to be?
- 33:03Speaker 8: It was an exercise in extravagance. I mean, I had
- 33:09Speaker 8: a wonderful time there. Um, uh, you know, but it,
- 33:14Speaker 8: you know, I came, I was supposed to come in
- 33:16Speaker 8: and shoot for three weeks, leave for two and shoot
- 33:18Speaker 8: for one more week and be finished. I stayed for
- 33:21Speaker 8: five months. Yeah.
- 33:24Speaker 7: And that's, I guess, in many ways what got them
- 33:27Speaker 7: in so much trouble.
- 33:28Speaker 8: No, he spent way too much money on that shoot.
- 33:30Speaker 5: That's crazy.
- 33:31Speaker 7: But yeah, I mean, as far as just performances and actors.
- 33:33Speaker 10: But some of it is beautiful.
- 33:35Speaker 8: Some of it is really, really beautiful.
- 33:38Speaker 6: Yeah.
- 33:39Speaker 5: So it's one of those that I think people are
- 33:41Speaker 5: rediscovering now and being like, well, it.
- 33:43Speaker 7: Has its issues.
- 33:44Speaker 8: It's probably one of, it's a very underrated. I mean,
- 33:48Speaker 8: Vincent Camby's review was, I think the biggest line was,
- 33:54Speaker 8: it was like being given a four-hour tour of your
- 33:57Speaker 8: own living room.
- 33:59Speaker 5: That's a hell of a line.
- 34:02Speaker 8: It died very quickly. Most people never saw it.
- 34:07Speaker 5: And then, again, a few years later, in the middle
- 34:09Speaker 5: of Dune, which, I mean, they had planned for that
- 34:13Speaker 5: to be the epic sci-fi movie of, you know, the
- 34:16Speaker 5: next decade.
- 34:18Speaker 7: It was too expensive.
- 34:19Speaker 8: Yeah. It was just too expensive to do, and they
- 34:24Speaker 8: cut some things. What is remarkable is how uneven the
- 34:29Speaker 8: movie is. Some of the stuff is gorgeous and wonderful,
- 34:34Speaker 8: but Some of the special effects stuff.
- 34:36Speaker 10: With the worm and some of the battle.
- 34:39Speaker 8: Stuff is just bad.
- 34:41Speaker 5: And again, the kind of stuff you could do easily
- 34:44Speaker 5: now with CG, which probably wouldn't look good, but I'm
- 34:47Speaker 5: sure they could easily find a way to do it.
- 34:49Speaker 8: Oh, I think the folding of the, watching them fold space,
- 34:53Speaker 8: what was in the script was way better. But the
- 34:56Speaker 8: script was ultimately the problem. It was way too much
- 34:59Speaker 8: to take on in one script. And much of it
- 35:02Speaker 8: wound up like illustration issues.
- 35:04Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 35:05Speaker 8: Um, and not, not really. It lost, um, it lost tension.
- 35:11Speaker 5: Um, it's a huge story to try to, especially in
- 35:15Speaker 5: one movie, but just in general, it's so complex.
- 35:18Speaker 8: It should have been, I mean, there could have been,
- 35:21Speaker 8: it could have been so cool with, um, with the
- 35:24Speaker 8: Fremen and it wasn't.
- 35:25Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 35:26Speaker 8: It fell apart once that, that story, that story happened. And, and, um,
- 35:32Speaker 8: And that was the real problem.
- 35:35Speaker 5: And bringing Lynch in, was he the right director? I mean,
- 35:39Speaker 5: it didn't work.
- 35:40Speaker 1: Out, but.
- 35:40Speaker 7: He was the right director.
- 35:41Speaker 8: He had the wrong script.
- 35:43Speaker 5: Yeah. And that was partially.
- 35:45Speaker 8: Well, I don't know whose fault that was. And I
- 35:52Speaker 8: think a lot of stuff that he really wanted to
- 35:54Speaker 8: do was cut. Folding space was a joke. And it
- 36:00Speaker 8: was gorgeous in the script.
- 36:04Speaker 5: Again, I definitely had to get to him, especially as
- 36:07Speaker 5: you go ahead and move into Blue Velvet. I don't
- 36:11Speaker 5: know if there are better movies and a director so
- 36:15Speaker 5: in the perfect space and time than the way that
- 36:18Speaker 5: Blue Velvet came together. It's so perfect. And kind of
- 36:22Speaker 5: him right at that perfect balance in Lynch's career. He
- 36:27Speaker 5: does the weirder stuff when he's younger and he goes
- 36:30Speaker 5: on to do different stuff for TV, but like it's
- 36:32Speaker 5: that perfect mix right in the middle when blue velvet
- 36:35Speaker 5: hits and like everybody in the cast, like everything just
- 36:39Speaker 5: fell into place. I mean, I guess what, you know,
- 36:42Speaker 5: being on that set, like, did it feel like it
- 36:45Speaker 5: was coming together that perfectly at the time or were
- 36:47Speaker 5: you just shooting? I, we were, you know, it, it
- 36:51Speaker 5: seemed like it was really going to be a good
- 36:53Speaker 5: movie to me, um, as we were shooting it.
- 36:56Speaker 10: But, you know, I had a very small part and felt.
- 36:59Speaker 5: A little frustrated.
- 37:00Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 37:01Speaker 5: Was there supposed to be more to everyone in that group? No, no, no.
- 37:05Speaker 8: It was what it was written, but I just, I
- 37:08Speaker 8: just wanted more.
- 37:10Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, it's, it's still pretty rich. Just the, the,
- 37:15Speaker 5: for me. Yeah. I mean, just, but even that little group,
- 37:18Speaker 5: like there feels like there is chemistry and there is
- 37:21Speaker 5: some sort of history.
- 37:22Speaker 10: We were having fun.
- 37:23Speaker 5: Yeah. There's definitely something there just with the limited amount
- 37:27Speaker 5: of screen time. It, It feels very real and very...
- 37:30Speaker 5: Jack working.
- 37:31Speaker 8: It's the second time I worked with Jack Nance.
- 37:33Speaker 5: He's amazing.
- 37:34Speaker 8: You know, he was, you know.
- 37:37Speaker 7: And that's... Yeah, he's another one that just.
- 37:39Speaker 5: There's like that unspoken language between him and David Lynch
- 37:43Speaker 5: and it's those two together.
- 37:46Speaker 8: Well, Eraserhead is still an extraordinary movie. It's... And his
- 37:51Speaker 8: performance in that was beautiful.
- 37:52Speaker 5: People will be watching that for generations trying to decide...
- 37:56Speaker 5: what they think of it. Like, I think even as
- 37:57Speaker 5: a viewer.
- 37:58Speaker 8: I tell you what, if you want to, I'll describe
- 38:01Speaker 8: to you what I thought of it. My wife at
- 38:06Speaker 8: the time was a heroin junkie, and I had a
- 38:10Speaker 8: couple of children, and it was an extremely difficult and
- 38:14Speaker 8: painful time in my life. And I... I went on that,
- 38:20Speaker 8: you know, really fearing for my daughter and, and, um, and, uh,
- 38:29Speaker 8: and I was really mad at, at my wife at
- 38:32Speaker 8: the time. And, um, uh, I, he decided to show
- 38:38Speaker 8: us Eraserhead. So, you know, he came up and said,
- 38:42Speaker 8: you know, he said, um, I did this movie and, um,
- 38:46Speaker 8: I'm just going to show it. And, uh, I hope
- 38:49Speaker 8: you guys don't decide to leave town. And then he
- 38:53Speaker 8: showed it, and everybody, everybody, I was astounded by it.
- 38:58Speaker 10: I mean, I didn't know what I was seeing.
- 39:04Speaker 8: And I, after it was over, I was speechless. And
- 39:09Speaker 8: everybody was coming out to him like they got it,
- 39:11Speaker 8: and I felt like I didn't understand a second of it.
- 39:16Speaker 8: And I, I didn't even say anything. They had a
- 39:21Speaker 8: car and the car took me back to the hotel.
- 39:24Speaker 8: And I was in the car, and the movie was
- 39:27Speaker 8: flashing through my head. And suddenly, for the first time
- 39:31Speaker 8: in so long, I missed my wife. And I had
- 39:35Speaker 8: all these warm feelings about her. And then this imagery
- 39:39Speaker 8: came back, and I suddenly got it, that it was
- 39:43Speaker 8: an honest, male.
- 39:48Speaker 8: Fear of the female psyche it was that's what it
- 39:52Speaker 8: was and the whole thing came together for me in
- 40:02Speaker 8: a very powerful and vivid way and that was the
- 40:06Speaker 8: most dramatic way I have ever understood a movie that
- 40:09Speaker 8: I was completely in the dark and suddenly bam there
- 40:13Speaker 8: it was but I had to have this personal reaction
- 40:18Speaker 8: this really deep-seated reaction to it for it to finally,
- 40:24Speaker 8: you know, the images begin to cascade and the whole
- 40:27Speaker 8: thing began to cascade.
- 40:28Speaker 10: And that's when I realized it was.
- 40:31Speaker 8: It was such a series of feminine.
- 40:36Speaker 10: Imagery.
- 40:39Speaker 5: Again, this was something like years ago, a friend told
- 40:42Speaker 5: me that so much of his take on it was
- 40:44Speaker 5: also how family-oriented it is. Maybe not even in a
- 40:48Speaker 5: positive way. His take was they should sit every kid
- 40:51Speaker 5: down in like probably grade school now because they start sooner.
- 40:55Speaker 5: But yeah, and make them watch this as like, forget
- 40:58Speaker 5: your like, you know, don't go out and have sex
- 41:01Speaker 5: kids speech. Just show them a razor head and the
- 41:04Speaker 5: scenes of him and the baby. And like, it's crazy.
- 41:08Speaker 8: All men feel that terror.
- 41:10Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 41:11Speaker 8: When you look at a woman who looks beautiful to
- 41:13Speaker 8: you That could.
- 41:15Speaker 5: Be your life.
- 41:16Speaker 9: Yeah.
- 41:17Speaker 10: You know, and.
- 41:20Speaker 8: It's terrifying. It's really terrifying, this, I guess, natural hook
- 41:29Speaker 8: thing that hooks you in, and you can become its
- 41:33Speaker 8: prisoner if you don't take it on with open eyes.
- 41:39Speaker 8: I guess that's what he.
- 41:40Speaker 10: Means, but I.
- 41:45Speaker 8: It's more profound than that. It's a fear that we
- 41:52Speaker 8: are utter and complete mysteries to one another. Here's this
- 41:57Speaker 8: person who you never... I mean, I look at my
- 42:02Speaker 8: girlfriend now. We've been together for 22 years. And I
- 42:09Speaker 8: adore the ground she walks on. she's the best thing
- 42:13Speaker 8: that ever happened to me and is my great and
- 42:17Speaker 8: truest friend. But I don't know who she is.
- 42:24Speaker 5: There's always that aspect.
- 42:27Speaker 8: I think she once remarked to me, she turned to
- 42:29Speaker 8: me and she said, you know, I think you know
- 42:31Speaker 8: me way better than I think you do. So, I mean,
- 42:36Speaker 8: you don't.
- 42:37Speaker 10: Really know anybody.
- 42:38Speaker 5: There's a level, yeah.
- 42:40Speaker 7: I mean, even.
- 42:41Speaker 10: You're just caught up in the.
- 42:44Speaker 8: Whirl of it, and you never do.
- 42:46Speaker 5: Especially something like that relationship. I think you get to
- 42:48Speaker 5: know their movements, their habits. You exist with them enough
- 42:53Speaker 5: that you know the way they normally work, but what's
- 42:56Speaker 5: going on inside their head may be a totally different thing. Yeah,
- 43:00Speaker 5: and it's interesting.
- 43:02Speaker 7: And again, the lynch.
- 43:04Speaker 5: Thing like that.
- 43:05Speaker 8: The other wonder of it is that you're always surprised. Yeah.
- 43:10Speaker 5: Looking at something to be able to take such different
- 43:14Speaker 5: interpretations of it and everybody kind of takes what they
- 43:16Speaker 5: need that's again why he still especially at that point
- 43:20Speaker 5: is such an artist that like it is what you
- 43:23Speaker 5: need it to be it is a work of art
- 43:26Speaker 5: as it is I assume that's what everybody strives for
- 43:30Speaker 5: but it's amazing when it comes together I don't know
- 43:33Speaker 5: I was going through just different ones that I guess
- 43:36Speaker 5: it's a hard turn to take getting to child's play but.
- 43:41Speaker 7: That's definitely still one you're.
- 43:42Speaker 5: Known for so well these days that's to me it's
- 43:46Speaker 5: one of those you read that screenplay does it seem
- 43:50Speaker 5: like it's gonna work because eventually it did and it
- 43:53Speaker 5: became you know such a favorite with fans but that
- 43:56Speaker 5: seems like it would be one to read the screenplay
- 43:58Speaker 5: and not really know where it was going to go
- 44:00Speaker 5: or how it was going to go over so did
- 44:03Speaker 5: it i don't know as you read it that first
- 44:04Speaker 5: time did it seem like It had a sense.
- 44:07Speaker 8: It really made sense.
- 44:08Speaker 7: Yeah.
- 44:09Speaker 8: You know, I mean, that was a screenplay that very
- 44:14Speaker 8: clearly could work.
- 44:15Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 44:16Speaker 8: It was all down to the doll and how well they,
- 44:23Speaker 8: you know, the animatronics of the doll. But it, you know,
- 44:28Speaker 8: it had very powerful undercurrents and it was well nailed.
- 44:36Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 44:36Speaker 5: And then, I mean, so much of it is you
- 44:38Speaker 5: finding that character. Where do you go to try to
- 44:43Speaker 5: piece together what you want to do with that person?
- 44:47Speaker 7: Like, it's evil, but it's a weird form of evil,
- 44:50Speaker 7: so it's not.
- 44:51Speaker 5: Even something like you would normally, you know, some sort of.
- 44:54Speaker 5: Regular serial killer. Well, it's innately.
- 44:58Speaker 8: The first thing that you relate to, that I related to,
- 45:02Speaker 8: was his fear. He did not want to die. He
- 45:04Speaker 8: was terrified of it. Oblivion terrified him. And at this
- 45:11Speaker 8: point in the thing, he's sort of mastered it. He's
- 45:15Speaker 8: never going to die. I think at this point the
- 45:19Speaker 8: doll believes he will never die.
- 45:21Speaker 5: Which continued as the, as the sequels went on, it continued. So,
- 45:26Speaker 5: I mean, is that, I don't know, stuff like that. You've,
- 45:29Speaker 5: you've turned up in a lot of horror over the years.
- 45:30Speaker 5: And I think it's, it's always interesting when people are,
- 45:36Speaker 5: you know, brave enough to take on new genres and
- 45:38Speaker 5: at the same time, take it seriously. Like there's a
- 45:41Speaker 5: good amount of people who can take horror is kind
- 45:44Speaker 5: of a campy thing, but like, again, you've always seemed
- 45:47Speaker 5: to approach everything is, you know, it, it is the
- 45:50Speaker 5: performance just like any drama or anything else.
- 45:52Speaker 7: And now that you've, so how do, how do.
- 45:54Speaker 5: You approach the horror when you're, when you're looking at
- 45:57Speaker 5: these different properties that you go towards?
- 46:00Speaker 8: Well, I, somebody defined this to me and it's pretty
- 46:03Speaker 8: much stood up that horror is, requires a monster. And
- 46:09Speaker 8: a monster is an entity who will kill you. And, um,
- 46:17Speaker 8: with which there is no negotiation.
- 46:21Speaker 7: Even if it's just psychological.
- 46:25Speaker 8: We are, you are prey.
- 46:29Speaker 10: And that's what horror is.
- 46:34Speaker 8: And then there are very violent movies. I did one
- 46:39Speaker 8: which was probably people will mistake as horror, but it
- 46:42Speaker 8: isn't horror. Because the monster in that is something that you.
- 46:48Speaker 5: Can negotiate with.
- 46:50Speaker 8: It has a very human aspect to it. That's a
- 46:55Speaker 8: thing called Wildling. And that's not out yet. And I
- 47:03Speaker 8: think it will be in the horror genre, but it
- 47:06Speaker 8: isn't a horror film.
- 47:09Speaker 5: Does that become harder to process as an actor.
- 47:13Speaker 8: No you take it from a different um it's a
- 47:16Speaker 8: it's a false genre i i don't um i approached
- 47:21Speaker 8: it very differently.
- 47:23Speaker 5: But just in general as you approach horror roles is.
- 47:25Speaker 8: It because everything that you do everything that you do
- 47:30Speaker 8: is an event in and of itself um and that's
- 47:34Speaker 8: what the style of it is I mean, there's a,
- 47:38Speaker 8: and horror has all kinds of, of, um, uh, has
- 47:41Speaker 8: gone through all kinds of, some, at times it went through,
- 47:44Speaker 8: when we, when it, when Chucky switched, uh, when the
- 47:48Speaker 8: Child's Play, uh, series switched, uh, to becoming self-referential.
- 47:53Speaker 6: Yeah.
- 47:54Speaker 8: Um, uh, the way of, uh, that was, um, um, um,
- 47:59Speaker 8: Jennifer Tilly's, uh, job and, and that was, um, Tiffany and, and, um,
- 48:07Speaker 8: And her big thing was Bride of Frankenstein. She loved
- 48:14Speaker 8: that movie. And, of course, that was the self-referential thing.
- 48:19Speaker 8: And she sort of forced Chucky and her to live
- 48:23Speaker 8: out the, it was a love story.
- 48:27Speaker 5: Finding a different way to take these things.
- 48:30Speaker 10: Yeah, and it was campier.
- 48:32Speaker 8: And Seed was campier and then we went back to
- 48:36Speaker 8: the era of remakes and so.
- 48:39Speaker 10: We got to.
- 48:42Speaker 8: We got to to Curse and that again flipped and
- 48:50Speaker 8: we take horror back to its source.
- 48:54Speaker 5: Well then sort of in that realm but again just
- 48:58Speaker 5: a different version of it Exorcist 3 And that I
- 49:02Speaker 5: wanted to talk about because we did a whole episode
- 49:05Speaker 5: on Ninth Configuration and we're talking about William Peter Blatty
- 49:09Speaker 5: as a director. And he really only did.
- 49:11Speaker 7: Those two movies.
- 49:12Speaker 5: It's like part of his trilogy in his mind, I think,
- 49:15Speaker 5: was the Exorcist 9th Configuration and Exorcist 3. Again, I
- 49:22Speaker 5: guess how was he as a director and how much
- 49:24Speaker 5: of this seemed more personal because he'd written a lot
- 49:29Speaker 5: of stuff, but these are the only ones he chose
- 49:30Speaker 5: to direct.
- 49:31Speaker 8: Well, it was deeply personal.
- 49:33Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 49:35Speaker 8: And he worked with me a lot. As a matter
- 49:38Speaker 8: of fact, too much. I did one of the two
- 49:43Speaker 8: big scenes in the cell.
- 49:49Speaker 10: And one of them worked.
- 49:50Speaker 8: The second one didn't work at all. And it was
- 49:53Speaker 8: because I had let him over direct me. And I
- 49:59Speaker 8: just gave him every line framed in gold. And it
- 50:03Speaker 8: was awful boring.
- 50:05Speaker 10: And finally George C.
- 50:07Speaker 8: Scott came up to me and said, listen, you know.
- 50:11Speaker 8: You've let this guy really fuck you over. He said,
- 50:14Speaker 8: you know, just choose what's important and throw the rest away.
- 50:18Speaker 8: And I went, of course.
- 50:23Speaker 5: What was I thinking?
- 50:24Speaker 8: And of course the scene flew. That was all it took. So,
- 50:32Speaker 8: you know, him, his passion for it, you know, that
- 50:36Speaker 8: kind of thing can work against you, especially, you know,
- 50:39Speaker 8: somebody who was just too impressionable which i was um
- 50:44Speaker 8: i i was astounded by him in a way because
- 50:49Speaker 8: here was somebody who was really fighting who wanted real
- 50:56Speaker 8: evidence that there was um a god yeah i mean
- 51:01Speaker 8: something something really really beyond him and he felt like
- 51:06Speaker 8: he had found it in this um in this kind
- 51:09Speaker 8: of um thing that was in the papers, uh, on
- 51:13Speaker 8: which he based, on which he based his, um, The Exorcist.
- 51:18Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 51:18Speaker 10: And Legion.
- 51:19Speaker 2: Of all of those.
- 51:20Speaker 7: Yeah.
- 51:20Speaker 5: Those three stories are just, it is weird that not
- 51:24Speaker 5: just the characters are grappling with that, but the fact
- 51:26Speaker 5: that you do kind of feel the writer, the director
- 51:29Speaker 5: kind of working through those same things.
- 51:31Speaker 8: He really, and I think he came to the conclusion
- 51:33Speaker 8: that there was a God and he became pretty devout and, and, um,
- 51:38Speaker 8: I didn't come to that conclusion. I came to the
- 51:40Speaker 8: conclusion that there is no such thing as evil.
- 51:43Speaker 5: Ninth Configuration takes that weird turn that almost feels like
- 51:47Speaker 5: it was added in that is really hopeful and really
- 51:52Speaker 5: almost supernatural in the way.
- 51:55Speaker 8: That it becomes religious. That's what he's looking for. He
- 51:59Speaker 8: was looking for an argument that there is something, there
- 52:02Speaker 8: is a reason that uh that is that we're not
- 52:09Speaker 8: alone i guess which was the fear of the astronaut.
- 52:13Speaker 5: Yeah and takes like a physical like he gets a
- 52:16Speaker 5: trinket from you know actually from god he wanted physical
- 52:20Speaker 5: evidence almost.
- 52:21Speaker 8: And yeah there were a little miracle happens at the
- 52:24Speaker 8: at the end there um but um yeah that was
- 52:29Speaker 8: originally killer killer kane i.
- 52:31Speaker 5: Think yeah yeah which is is another one of those
- 52:33Speaker 5: just completely underrated, underseen movies. Like there's so many. I
- 52:37Speaker 5: thought it was a beautiful movie. Yeah. I really loved
- 52:40Speaker 5: that movie.
- 52:40Speaker 8: And I thought Scott Wilson did such a beautiful, beautiful
- 52:44Speaker 8: job in that.
- 52:45Speaker 9: Yeah.
- 52:45Speaker 8: Along with everybody else.
- 52:47Speaker 5: But yeah, that's, that's one of those he's, he's put
- 52:49Speaker 5: in so many good performances over the years. And he's
- 52:51Speaker 5: just now kind of finding his, his third, fourth wind,
- 52:55Speaker 5: you know, it's like getting this, this boost again, this
- 52:57Speaker 5: far in his career, but coming back, even like just,
- 53:00Speaker 5: I don't know, roles as the killer and like he
- 53:04Speaker 5: just taking on all these different different roles.
- 53:07Speaker 8: I have to say that the movie he did.
- 53:13Speaker 5: In cold blood yeah that's that's what I was yeah.
- 53:16Speaker 8: I thought that relationship that he had with Blake was
- 53:21Speaker 8: the most purest relationship I'd ever seen on film yeah
- 53:26Speaker 8: and that was the ultimate example of a relationship and
- 53:30Speaker 8: I always always always wanted that to do that and
- 53:36Speaker 8: i i never did on film but i feel i
- 53:39Speaker 8: did a play with amanda plumber about three years ago
- 53:43Speaker 8: and i feel like we got there yeah so i
- 53:47Speaker 8: feel like my life.
- 53:48Speaker 11: Is over you've checked it off yeah it's off that
- 53:52Speaker 11: list now i mean it does working on stage still
- 53:58Speaker 11: no it does no appeal to me nothing wow I mean,
- 54:01Speaker 11: working with her on stage did in that play.
- 54:05Speaker 5: Is it just the audience? Or I guess what is
- 54:08Speaker 5: the difference that doesn't attract you the way that film
- 54:11Speaker 5: now does? Oh, it's too difficult. It's too.
- 54:17Speaker 5: It is an ordeal. I mean, it's so much to
- 54:21Speaker 5: deal with.
- 54:21Speaker 8: It completely takes over your life. You have nothing else.
- 54:27Speaker 8: I mean, not that film doesn't do that. It does it,
- 54:29Speaker 8: but it does it in such a calculated and you
- 54:35Speaker 8: have this scene to do and this scene means this
- 54:38Speaker 8: and this scene means this and you do it piece
- 54:41Speaker 8: by piece but once you finish it that part is
- 54:44Speaker 8: over and you go on to the next part but
- 54:46Speaker 8: the play is like something that you that you know
- 54:51Speaker 8: I just before every performance I was backstage and I
- 54:54Speaker 8: went how the fuck did I do this to myself
- 54:56Speaker 8: and I was terrified and then I would look at
- 55:00Speaker 8: Amanda before we would go on. And suddenly I was
- 55:02Speaker 8: head over heels in love with her. And, um, and
- 55:06Speaker 8: for that brief period, I, we flew. And then I,
- 55:10Speaker 8: you know, I would come back and, and the play
- 55:13Speaker 8: was over and I was tired.
- 55:14Speaker 5: And then you have to relive it again. I think
- 55:16Speaker 5: that's it. You have to keep doing it.
- 55:18Speaker 8: And three days I'd do it twice a day.
- 55:20Speaker 5: So that's, yeah, that's the part that like it's draining
- 55:24Speaker 5: and then to have to turn around and do it
- 55:25Speaker 5: all over again the same day is, you know, I
- 55:28Speaker 5: can see why. For me, I wouldn't want anything to
- 55:31Speaker 5: do with it. But at least film is, yeah, it's
- 55:33Speaker 5: like focused.
- 55:35Speaker 7: Like literally in these little segments.
- 55:37Speaker 5: And then you don't have to keep, once you get that, yeah,
- 55:40Speaker 5: you don't have to relive it over and over and
- 55:42Speaker 5: deal with that drama. And it's more of the puzzle,
- 55:45Speaker 5: which I like.
- 55:46Speaker 7: Yeah.
- 55:47Speaker 5: I mean, the play literally is just the story straight
- 55:50Speaker 5: through over and over. But yeah, the filmmaking as a whole,
- 55:54Speaker 5: from the production end to the acting itself yeah is
- 55:58Speaker 5: just way more it is you're right it is a
- 56:01Speaker 5: puzzle it's a lot to deal with in a different
- 56:04Speaker 5: way in a less I guess constant grueling version that
- 56:09Speaker 5: the play probably is but play.
- 56:10Speaker 8: Can be powerful yeah people I mean I I met
- 56:15Speaker 8: some people who were really profoundly moved.
- 56:19Speaker 5: Yeah there is something about sharing space like being it
- 56:24Speaker 5: is something even doing this it's like I'm always way
- 56:28Speaker 5: more interested in sitting down and actually talking to someone
- 56:31Speaker 5: versus even phone or Skype. Definitely. There's just something that
- 56:37Speaker 5: doesn't work about it compared to actually sharing space with someone.
- 56:41Speaker 5: So I think you get that with performance in general.
- 56:43Speaker 5: I think there is something about them literally being in
- 56:46Speaker 5: the room with you that gives you a little more
- 56:49Speaker 5: from it.
- 56:49Speaker 2: But yeah, so I.
- 56:51Speaker 5: Guess back to some of the other stuff, um, I definitely,
- 56:56Speaker 5: you know, again, all these different directors, Peter Jackson is,
- 57:01Speaker 5: has made himself into like one of the, you know,
- 57:04Speaker 5: biggest names ever. I coming into something as huge as,
- 57:09Speaker 5: as the Lord of the Rings trilogy. I mean, again,
- 57:13Speaker 5: how do you figure out specifically what you need to do?
- 57:17Speaker 7: Or it's, I mean, just that scene, that.
- 57:19Speaker 5: Set, all those actors on, on the stage there. It's like,
- 57:23Speaker 5: It's just a lot you're coming into at that point.
- 57:27Speaker 5: How did you approach it all? Well, I talked to.
- 57:33Speaker 8: I talked to his wife and.
- 57:41Speaker 8: And we had a long sit-down about the character because
- 57:44Speaker 8: they were writing it more.
- 57:46Speaker 10: And we came to.
- 57:52Speaker 8: We spelled it out in a way that I really
- 57:54Speaker 8: understood and I knew I could play. And then it
- 57:58Speaker 8: was just getting the accent. And that was the first
- 58:02Speaker 8: time I did. I felt like I didn't really like
- 58:06Speaker 8: my work that much. And then after that, it was easy.
- 58:14Speaker 5: Again, just that story is another. But that, I guess,
- 58:17Speaker 5: shows the lesson eventually learned from something like Dune. they're
- 58:22Speaker 5: still trying to take a huge story and from a
- 58:24Speaker 5: novel and adapted and there is a way to do
- 58:27Speaker 5: it but it takes a lot more time and i
- 58:29Speaker 5: guess studio freedom than what they were given lynch back
- 58:32Speaker 5: in the day but but yeah there's it can come
- 58:36Speaker 5: together eventually um again just so many directors uh you've
- 58:40Speaker 5: worked with herzog several times do you just kind of
- 58:46Speaker 5: have a different relationship does he i don't know is
- 58:49Speaker 5: there a reason that you feel like he keeps coming
- 58:51Speaker 5: to you or you want to take on those projects
- 58:54Speaker 5: or well hartzog.
- 58:57Speaker 8: Is somebody who opens and and moves the envelope of
- 59:02Speaker 8: of um of what a film is and what a
- 59:06Speaker 8: film can do and he is somebody he's the only
- 59:10Speaker 8: person I would ever consider working for for nothing. He's
- 59:15Speaker 8: an important force in the world.
- 59:20Speaker 3: Does he.
- 59:21Speaker 5: I mean, is it something specific that you think he
- 59:24Speaker 5: does differently? Or is it just him?
- 59:26Speaker 8: His imagination is... is wild and free. His commitment is perfect.
- 59:38Speaker 8: He takes risks and they don't always work but they're
- 59:45Speaker 8: always worth it. You know nobody is the perfect director
- 59:51Speaker 8: but like I say his vision and what he tries
- 59:56Speaker 8: to do is is always something. And he writes beautifully.
- 1:00:02Speaker 10: And he's brilliant.
- 1:00:03Speaker 5: He's just so interesting. Even watching when he turns up
- 1:00:07Speaker 5: as an actor. He's just so different than... He's a
- 1:00:10Speaker 5: wonderful actor. He's a wonderful actor. No question about that.
- 1:00:14Speaker 5: He's got such a different approach to everything he does,
- 1:00:17Speaker 5: specifically directing. And he's also very funny.
- 1:00:21Speaker 8: He wasn't when I first... He said he didn't get irony,
- 1:00:25Speaker 8: but he's gotten it now.
- 1:00:27Speaker 3: You know, he.
- 1:00:27Speaker 8: Did that thing with Zach. I forget Zach's last name,
- 1:00:32Speaker 8: but Incident at Loch Ness.
- 1:00:35Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
- 1:00:35Speaker 10: I thought it was hysterically funny. And bafflingly cool.
- 1:00:40Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's almost like he's... I don't know if
- 1:00:43Speaker 5: he started that way, but now he doesn't take himself seriously.
- 1:00:45Speaker 5: Even as serious as some of his work is, he
- 1:00:48Speaker 5: seems like he's got a sense of humor about himself now.
- 1:00:52Speaker 8: Yeah, that he didn't have.
- 1:00:54Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 1:00:55Speaker 8: That he didn't always have.
- 1:00:57Speaker 10: And it's wonderful.
- 1:01:00Speaker 5: Yeah, I guess he became sort of his own persona.
- 1:01:04Speaker 5: Like people knew him as that. So he at least
- 1:01:07Speaker 5: recognized that people knew him as that and started to
- 1:01:09Speaker 5: kind of play with it a little. Again, always kind
- 1:01:11Speaker 5: of pushing that envelope of like, what can I do?
- 1:01:14Speaker 5: And now that people think I'm this, how about if
- 1:01:16Speaker 5: I do something else? Yeah, he's always interesting.
- 1:01:21Speaker 7: Another one I had that, again, a little.
- 1:01:23Speaker 5: a little left turn but the uh mostly for the
- 1:01:26Speaker 5: co-star i i i guess both of the halloween movies
- 1:01:31Speaker 5: but we've had daniel harris on the show her dynamic
- 1:01:34Speaker 5: between you i that is my especially that second one
- 1:01:39Speaker 5: that is my favorite part of the movie is watching
- 1:01:42Speaker 5: you both of you as actors and then anytime you
- 1:01:45Speaker 5: two are together there was just a really good chemistry
- 1:01:48Speaker 5: there that that You don't always get. I don't know.
- 1:01:52Speaker 5: Was there something, you know, just different about her as
- 1:01:55Speaker 5: an actress?
- 1:01:56Speaker 8: She just was my daughter. Yeah.
- 1:01:58Speaker 5: I mean, it's so genuine. Like, it really, and, like, not,
- 1:02:01Speaker 5: you don't always get that.
- 1:02:02Speaker 8: I mean, she, you know, she got, she trusted me absolutely. Yeah.
- 1:02:08Speaker 8: You know, and she just knew, she just knew what
- 1:02:11Speaker 8: she was.
- 1:02:11Speaker 10: Doing in that role. And I, you know, I loved Danielle.
- 1:02:18Speaker 8: I see her from time to time, and I always go, God,
- 1:02:23Speaker 8: I've got to see her some more.
- 1:02:25Speaker 7: She's smart.
- 1:02:27Speaker 5: I'm just talking to her.
- 1:02:28Speaker 7: I love the fact.
- 1:02:29Speaker 5: That she's been in the business since she was a child,
- 1:02:33Speaker 5: and she's just kind of got this wisdom to her.
- 1:02:37Speaker 8: She's the real thing.
- 1:02:37Speaker 5: Yeah, she knows what she's doing and has a really
- 1:02:40Speaker 5: smart approach to everything she does.
- 1:02:42Speaker 8: She's quite beautiful.
- 1:02:43Speaker 7: I can't argue that either, but.
- 1:02:45Speaker 5: Yeah, she's really.
- 1:02:46Speaker 8: I mean, last time I saw her, I was... You know,
- 1:02:48Speaker 8: she's really one very, very beautiful lady and happily married and...
- 1:02:55Speaker 8: And not aging. No.
- 1:02:56Speaker 5: The fact that she was still playing a high schooler
- 1:02:58Speaker 5: in Halloween, that, like, she was a decade beyond that. And, like,
- 1:03:04Speaker 5: you couldn't tell.
- 1:03:05Speaker 8: Yeah.
- 1:03:06Speaker 7: It's amazing.
- 1:03:07Speaker 5: So, yeah, good genes, too. Well, I guess that's an interesting,
- 1:03:13Speaker 5: you know, With her playing your daughter, there's so many
- 1:03:16Speaker 5: actors I've talked to that most of the time when
- 1:03:20Speaker 5: I'll talk to them about family, they're like, the last
- 1:03:22Speaker 5: thing I want is my kids to go into the
- 1:03:23Speaker 5: business that I'm in. And you kind of had that happen.
- 1:03:27Speaker 5: Is that something you tried to talk your daughter out of?
- 1:03:31Speaker 8: Oh, I didn't have to. She was the last thing
- 1:03:34Speaker 8: on earth she wanted to be was an actress. And
- 1:03:37Speaker 8: I got her a PA job. On Deadwood.
- 1:03:40Speaker 5: That should scare her off.
- 1:03:44Speaker 8: And she was really doing well with it.
- 1:03:46Speaker 10: But even when.
- 1:03:50Speaker 8: David Milch said, okay, but I want to talk to her.
- 1:03:53Speaker 8: And so we had....
- 1:03:56Speaker 7: He brought her in.
- 1:03:57Speaker 8: We had lunch with her and me. And he asked
- 1:04:01Speaker 8: her a bunch of questions.
- 1:04:03Speaker 10: And he was talking.
- 1:04:04Speaker 8: She was asking her what she liked to read. And
- 1:04:06Speaker 8: she said she... She was reading.
- 1:04:16Speaker 5: Kafka at the time.
- 1:04:17Speaker 8: So whoever she's reading is her favorite author. And it
- 1:04:21Speaker 8: turned out he taught Kafka. And so that was the
- 1:04:24Speaker 8: right thing to say.
- 1:04:25Speaker 7: But he was.
- 1:04:26Speaker 8: Talking to her in the middle of it. He just
- 1:04:28Speaker 8: stopped and looked at her and said, how come you're
- 1:04:30Speaker 8: not an actress? And every time he looked at her,
- 1:04:34Speaker 8: he's going crazy.
- 1:04:35Speaker 10: Why am I not using her?
- 1:04:37Speaker 8: And finally he wrote something for her which they would
- 1:04:39Speaker 8: not let her do because she never acted. And then
- 1:04:44Speaker 8: he wrote a little part for her and she did it.
- 1:04:48Speaker 8: And she wasn't going to do it or she was
- 1:04:50Speaker 8: thinking about not doing it and my girlfriend, Claudia, sat
- 1:04:55Speaker 8: her down and said, Fiona, David Milch has just written
- 1:04:58Speaker 8: a role for you.
- 1:04:59Speaker 5: You have to do it.
- 1:05:01Speaker 8: You have to try this. And she caught the bug and,
- 1:05:05Speaker 8: and so, you know, rather, uh, and so it caught
- 1:05:09Speaker 8: her late in life. And, um, and she, you know,
- 1:05:14Speaker 8: then really put her self heart and soul into it.
- 1:05:17Speaker 8: And now she's, she's finally got some success. She, um, she's, uh,
- 1:05:25Speaker 8: was cast in a big part in, uh, as we
- 1:05:28Speaker 8: rise or whatever it is, uh, uh, Rise of LBG thing,
- 1:05:36Speaker 8: miniseries that's coming out. And now she's doing, she's a
- 1:05:45Speaker 8: regular on a new series. And it's a wild, incredible part.
- 1:05:52Speaker 8: I saw her audition and she, you've never seen anything
- 1:05:56Speaker 8: like it.
- 1:05:57Speaker 5: Like this character does she talk to you about acting
- 1:06:00Speaker 5: or is it one of those that works better of.
- 1:06:02Speaker 8: Course we you know she's helped me with auditions I've
- 1:06:05Speaker 8: helped her with auditions she's called me I've literally been
- 1:06:09Speaker 8: on set in between takes talking her through a problem
- 1:06:13Speaker 8: that she's having while she's in between takes you know
- 1:06:18Speaker 8: just telling her do this do this do this and
- 1:06:22Speaker 8: you know I don't hear from her but I I
- 1:06:25Speaker 8: know if I don't hear from her, it went well.
- 1:06:27Speaker 7: Yeah.
- 1:06:27Speaker 10: And it turns, and then when I do.
- 1:06:29Speaker 5: Hear from her, it went well. So she's, she's the
- 1:06:33Speaker 5: real thing.
- 1:06:33Speaker 10: And I'm, and I, and I think, and I'm, I'm.
- 1:06:38Speaker 8: Glad she's an actress because it's, it's, she's, it's where
- 1:06:43Speaker 8: she belongs.
- 1:06:44Speaker 7: And it took her a while to find that out.
- 1:06:46Speaker 5: So I guess it's good that I keep taking that
- 1:06:49Speaker 5: from talking to different people that, either didn't get into
- 1:06:52Speaker 5: it until later or worked for years and finally we
- 1:06:55Speaker 5: just talked with Nick Offerman and I was just like,
- 1:06:58Speaker 5: you were like 37 before you found your role, like
- 1:07:01Speaker 5: before you actually got to be where you needed to be,
- 1:07:05Speaker 5: you know, as far as finding success at least. But,
- 1:07:08Speaker 5: you know, it's always kind of inspiring when people, you know,
- 1:07:12Speaker 5: work at it and find where they need to be
- 1:07:14Speaker 5: in life. And that's definitely good. Do you feel you've
- 1:07:18Speaker 5: gotten there?
- 1:07:19Speaker 7: Did acting do that for you?
- 1:07:24Speaker 8: I guess I'm at a place where I'm really, I'm
- 1:07:27Speaker 8: retired in a way.
- 1:07:29Speaker 10: I mean, I'm taking my pension.
- 1:07:32Speaker 5: I'm 66, so.
- 1:07:36Speaker 10: And, you.
- 1:07:40Speaker 8: Know, I have enough money to live off of. So
- 1:07:45Speaker 8: I don't have a lot by any chance, but I
- 1:07:47Speaker 8: don't have to act anymore. And I'm finding myself turning
- 1:07:52Speaker 8: down a lot of stuff.
- 1:07:54Speaker 5: And turning up in different places. I saw the Calvin
- 1:07:57Speaker 5: Harris video.
- 1:07:59Speaker 7: Did that just come about?
- 1:08:01Speaker 5: Yeah, it just came about.
- 1:08:03Speaker 10: And it was fun. It was fun.
- 1:08:09Speaker 8: I mean, a lot of it, most of what I
- 1:08:11Speaker 8: did isn't there.
- 1:08:11Speaker 5: But I had a good time.
- 1:08:15Speaker 8: It was campy and I did some improvisational street improvs and.
- 1:08:20Speaker 5: How long was that shoot?
- 1:08:22Speaker 7: Because it seems like it just goes on.
- 1:08:23Speaker 5: Two days worth? Yeah, because that seems like a lot
- 1:08:25Speaker 5: of different places, different people.
- 1:08:27Speaker 10: Yeah, it was two days worth.
- 1:08:28Speaker 3: That's crazy.
- 1:08:29Speaker 5: But yeah, I mean, it's, I guess, good to be
- 1:08:31Speaker 5: able to pick and choose what you want to do.
- 1:08:35Speaker 7: Just end up in cool stuff. It comes your way.
- 1:08:40Speaker 5: And cool stuff he has certainly done over the years.
- 1:08:43Speaker 5: In fact, I'd say that's putting it mildly. But a
- 1:08:46Speaker 5: big thank you to Brad for joining us this week.
- 1:08:48Speaker 5: He's a terrific actor, so seek out his movies, and
- 1:08:51Speaker 5: he is doing the occasional appearances at conventions, so if
- 1:08:54Speaker 5: you get a chance to meet him, thank him for
- 1:08:56Speaker 5: his amazing work, and tell him hello from his friends
- 1:08:59Speaker 5: at Movie meltdown all right so i think it's time
- 1:09:15Speaker 5: to wrap it up misty wrap it on up then
- 1:09:18Speaker 5: we've had fun here at fandom We're.
- 1:09:20Speaker 1: Not done yet. I'm not done yet. I'm going to
- 1:09:21Speaker 1: go through and look at more shit.
- 1:09:23Speaker 5: Wandering around.
- 1:09:23Speaker 1: More 50 Cent Comics.
- 1:09:25Speaker 5: He's looking at comic books like a crazy person.
- 1:09:27Speaker 3: Hell yeah.
- 1:09:28Speaker 1: Unless they're overpriced, because if it's over like two bucks,
- 1:09:30Speaker 1: you are not getting my money.
- 1:09:32Speaker 5: I saw the original Godzilla dude. That was awesome. I'm
- 1:09:35Speaker 5: going to get him to sign something quick, because he's
- 1:09:37Speaker 5: getting up there.
- 1:09:38Speaker 1: I thought about getting Colin Ford, just so he can
- 1:09:39Speaker 1: afford to go get a sandwich afterward.
- 1:09:42Speaker 5: I'm telling you, he had that weird summer late. Because
- 1:09:44Speaker 5: he looked like one of them kids that used to
- 1:09:46Speaker 5: be kind of normal and then shot up and got
- 1:09:49Speaker 5: super skinny because he got really tall all of a sudden.
- 1:09:51Speaker 5: Only usually you get that when you're like 14 or
- 1:09:54Speaker 5: 15 and he had it now and he is well
- 1:09:56Speaker 5: over 18. He's not well.
- 1:09:58Speaker 1: He's like 19.
- 1:09:59Speaker 5: That is like a whole year.
- 1:10:00Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's like 40 or something.
- 1:10:01Speaker 5: But you don't usually get that growth spurt at 19.
- 1:10:03Speaker 1: I was like, I'd feel creepy if I get his
- 1:10:06Speaker 1: autograph because he's like underage and I'm like, oh, wait
- 1:10:07Speaker 1: a second. I could be creepy because he's 19. It's okay.
- 1:10:10Speaker 5: You go by my rules. It's totally not creepy if
- 1:10:13Speaker 5: I like that girl now.
- 1:10:14Speaker 1: She had a birthday.
- 1:10:15Speaker 5: Duh.
- 1:10:17Speaker 1: He's totally 19. It's not at all creepy.
- 1:10:20Speaker 5: But yeah, he's like super tall and skinny now. I
- 1:10:23Speaker 5: don't know what the hell.
- 1:10:23Speaker 1: I wish they would have got young Dean because young
- 1:10:25Speaker 1: Dean was way hotter. Don't tell young Sam.
- 1:10:27Speaker 5: I said that. I'm telling. Wait till I get Colin
- 1:10:30Speaker 5: over here.
- 1:10:32Speaker 1: I could take him in a fight.
- 1:10:34Speaker 8: Well.
- 1:10:35Speaker 5: Because he's all waifu now. If he caught the.
- 1:10:37Speaker 1: Breeze off one of my punches, I would knock him out.
- 1:10:39Speaker 1: I wouldn't even have to touch him. I'd swing at
- 1:10:41Speaker 1: him and be like, whoo, there he goes. Catch one
- 1:10:44Speaker 1: of the hollows in his cheekbone just in a wind sail.
- 1:10:48Speaker 5: Just take him a big old sandwich.
- 1:10:51Speaker 1: Never mind, I ate all of my granola bars.
- 1:10:52Speaker 5: Son of a bitch. So, if nothing else, we'd like
- 1:10:55Speaker 5: to say thank you to Fandom Fest for letting us
- 1:10:58Speaker 5: come hang out and be part of this event. So,
- 1:11:01Speaker 5: for more information, go to fandomfest.com And you can find
- 1:11:05Speaker 5: out what's going on for the next round.
- 1:11:08Speaker 1: My socks have Loch Ness monsters on them.
- 1:11:10Speaker 5: But you can't see them.
- 1:11:11Speaker 1: But you can't see them because they're hiding in the
- 1:11:12Speaker 1: Loch Ness.
- 1:11:12Speaker 5: And those are low tops. I don't know what the
- 1:11:14Speaker 5: hell you're going to do. You're going to have to just.
- 1:11:17Speaker 2: Make up.
- 1:11:18Speaker 8: They're so cute, though.
- 1:11:19Speaker 5: You're going to have to get bigger socks. That's all
- 1:11:20Speaker 5: there is to it.
- 1:11:21Speaker 1: I have to see my Loch Ness monster.
- 1:11:26Speaker 8: His tail.
- 1:11:27Speaker 5: He's swimming.
- 1:11:29Speaker 8: They're so cute.
- 1:11:30Speaker 1: Back in the Loch Ness of my shoes.
- 1:11:34Speaker 9: All right.
- 1:11:34Speaker 5: Well, otherwise, that about does it. We will return next time.
- 1:11:36Speaker 5: Same geek feed. Thanks for listening.
- 1:11:38Speaker 2: Louis.
- 1:11:40Speaker 8: Louis Seifert, my friend.
- 1:11:41Speaker 5: So good to see you here today.
- 1:11:50Speaker 10: Patrick, let me tell you a little secret.
- 1:11:56Speaker 8: I fucked Joan of Arc in 1430.
- 1:11:58Speaker 10: She was just 18. Just a few months before.
- 1:12:05Speaker 6: Before she burned.
- 1:12:09Speaker 5: Before she burned.
- 1:12:35Speaker 4: Hollywood's a perverted, godless town. I, I, I, I, I, I,
- 1:12:56Speaker 4: I can pay for everything that's on you.
- 1:12:58Speaker 14: So everything is on me. Got them girls going, Cindy Lowe,
- 1:13:01Speaker 14: Paul Gargar, and a little blondie. If you ain't drunk,
- 1:13:04Speaker 14: then you're in the wrong club. Don't feel sexy, you're
- 1:13:06Speaker 14: on the wrong beach. Tell the bar that we don't
- 1:13:08Speaker 14: want no glass, just bottles, and I'm buying everybody one each. Yeah,
- 1:13:11Speaker 14: so bring the verb, click out. Figure out how to
- 1:13:13Speaker 14: hit the big three out. Party like it's carnival in Rio.
- 1:13:16Speaker 14: Life's too short, I need to be out.
- 1:13:18Speaker 3: Yo, we live.
- 1:13:19Speaker 14: We die, we give, we try, we kiss, we fight. Oh,
- 1:13:24Speaker 14: so we can have a good time, yeah. I'm in
- 1:13:27Speaker 14: NBC looking for the next top model. He's wearing something
- 1:13:31Speaker 14: new and something old and something borrowed. I know this
- 1:13:34Speaker 14: crazy life can be a bitter pill to swallow.
- 1:13:37Speaker 9: So forget about tomorrow.
- 1:13:39Speaker 5: Tonight, we're in control.
- 1:14:14Speaker 14: Yo, as long as they ain't getting it wrong, then
- 1:14:17Speaker 14: everything is all right. Got them girls going high, they
- 1:14:20Speaker 14: cream the car, that skin's got.
- 1:14:21Speaker 3: The rule types.
- 1:14:22Speaker 5: If you ain't leading, you're in the wrong scene.
- 1:14:24Speaker 14: If you ain't hiding, you're not on my vibe. Tell
- 1:14:26Speaker 14: the body we don't need no sparklers or nothing, just
- 1:14:28Speaker 14: keep the bottles coming all night. Yeah, so bring the verve,
- 1:14:31Speaker 14: we go.
- 1:14:31Speaker 5: Think about it, hit the big 3-0.
- 1:14:33Speaker 14: Fight it like it's carnival in Rio.
- 1:14:35Speaker 5: Life's too short, I need a V-O.
- 1:14:37Speaker 14: Yo, we live, we die, we give, we try, we kiss,
- 1:14:42Speaker 14: we fight.
- 1:14:43Speaker 5: Oh, so we can have a good time.
- 1:14:44Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 1:15:33Speaker 6: God always tries to get him to go to his.
- 1:15:37Speaker 4: Place, and I am willing to travel the world.
- 1:15:41Speaker 3: Tonight, we're drinking from the bone.
- 1:16:34Speaker 5: I don't stick around.
- 1:16:35Speaker 6: The devil doesn't dawdle. I take the window and leave
- 1:16:39Speaker 6: the sill hot. In my bed, they do-si-do with monkeys.
- 1:16:46Speaker 6: I make them feel like butterscotch and meat.
- 1:16:50Speaker 8: After they fuck me, smoke comes out and the toes
- 1:16:55Speaker 8: light up like Christmas. He did okay. He did just fine.
- 1:17:01Speaker 3: He was.
- 1:17:01Speaker 8: He was a legend by the time.
- 1:17:08Speaker 5: I worked with him.
- 1:17:09Speaker 2: This episode is a production of Movie Meltdown, produced and
- 1:17:12Speaker 2: edited by The Oddity Studios, with opening music performed by
- 1:17:15Speaker 2: The Empires. For more on how to sponsor or support
- 1:17:18Speaker 2: the show, email producer at moviemeltdown.com.
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