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Killers Amongst Us: Murder on the Waxworm Farm (part 3) · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Nancy Grace here, welcome back to Killers amongst Us,
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  Speaker 1: a production of iHeartMedia and Crime Online. How does a
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  Speaker 1: platinum blonde who loves to grill out steaks and party
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  Speaker 1: at the lakehouse turn into a serial killer? Statistically, female
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  Speaker 1: serial killers are few and far between. But has Lois
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  Speaker 1: Reese proven all the experts wrong? I, Nancy Grace, this
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  Speaker 1: is Killers amongst Us. It all starts, I believe it
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  Speaker 1: or not a worm farm. Take a listen to our
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  Speaker 1: friends at Devil We Know. On March twenty third, eighteen,
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  Speaker 1: after receiving the missing person's report, the police discovered Dave's
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  Speaker 1: body in the bathroom of his home. The investigator in
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  Speaker 1: corner weren't able to pinpoint the exact time or date
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  Speaker 1: that Dave died. His cell phone was found on the
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  Speaker 1: kitchen counter. Police believe that Dave probably had been dead
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  Speaker 1: when his friend received the text message, which meant someone
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  Speaker 1: else had undoubtedly sent the text message. The police had
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  Speaker 1: one question, however, where was Dave's wife? Lois Well? That
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  Speaker 1: was just the beginning of a ball of yarn that
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  Speaker 1: had a lot of knots to untie before it could
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  Speaker 1: be unraveled. But very quickly This emerged video from a
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  Speaker 1: local come and Go gas station. Take a listen to
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  Speaker 1: k R eleven down to the next date. That's the
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  Speaker 1: way to go. She certainly sounds chipper if she knows
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  Speaker 1: her husband is dead at the worm farm. His body
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  Speaker 1: basically her medically sealed in the bathroom with towels stuffed
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  Speaker 1: around the doors, I guess to avoid the stench of
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  Speaker 1: deathbs escaping the bathroom there in the home they had shared.
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  Speaker 1: Does she even know he's dead, because if she does,
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  Speaker 1: she doesn't sound too broken up about it. This as
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  Speaker 1: we learn, Lois Reese is a gambling addict. She has
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  Speaker 1: told tens of thousands of dollars from her disabled sister
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  Speaker 1: after she Lois Reese was appointed guardian over the disabled sister.
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  Speaker 1: What else would she do for money to gamble? You know,
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  Speaker 1: when I was traveling out in that neck of the woods,
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  Speaker 1: I noticed that in a lot of gas stations and
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  Speaker 1: places like to Come and Go there would be video
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  Speaker 1: gambling set up, And believe you me, there were people
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  Speaker 1: planted at every stool gambling. I remember one time David
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  Speaker 1: and the twins and night in order to get to
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  Speaker 1: breakfast for dinner, we were going to have pancakes on
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  Speaker 1: the road. We had to walk through a Mom and
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  Speaker 1: pop casino to get pancakes. Yeah, so it's everywhere. Who knew?
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  Speaker 1: But the big question is where is Lois Reese? That
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  Speaker 1: absolutely was her joining me an All Star panel. Ashley Wilcott,
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  Speaker 1: judge and trial lawyer, Court TV anchor at Ashley Wilcott
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  Speaker 1: dot com. We're now psycho. Allen's joining me from Beverly Hills.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall thirty six years Seattle PD twenty two
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  Speaker 1: of that homicide author Seattle's Forgotten serial Killer, Gary Jean Grant,
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  Speaker 1: Cloyd Steiger at Cloyd Steiger dot com. Joseph Scott Morgan,
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  Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My
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  Speaker 1: Feet and star of a Nie Yeres Poisonous Liaisons on
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  Speaker 1: True Crime Network, Tess Coster joining us special guest friend
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  Speaker 1: of David and Lois Reese in Minnesota. Who calls nine
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  Speaker 1: one one and where do you find out? Why? Killen
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  Speaker 1: Thompson KMT News three, Rochester and Amanda Hall reported Wink
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  Speaker 1: TV Fort Myers, Florida. So we see her at a
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  Speaker 1: coming go all right, Callen Thompson KIMT News three, Rochester.
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  Speaker 1: Where is the come and go in relation to David
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  Speaker 1: Reese's dead body in the bathroom. Sure, it's only about
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  Speaker 1: a forty five minute drive from Blooming Prairie. And this
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  Speaker 1: come and go is right across the Minnesota Iowa border,
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  Speaker 1: in a little town called Northwood, Iowa. Now I hear
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  Speaker 1: her asking for directions, But where's she trying to go? Killen? What?
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  Speaker 1: You know? When we see her on the surveillance camera
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  Speaker 1: in come and Go in Northwood, Iowa, she does ask
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  Speaker 1: the clerk, you know, does Interstate thirty five leads south?
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  Speaker 1: And it for sure does. If you keep going, you'll
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  Speaker 1: hit Des Moines, Iowa. And you keep going farther, you're
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  Speaker 1: hit Omaha. So it sounds like she's heading south. Heading south,
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  Speaker 1: and heading south means all roads lead to Florida. That's you.
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  Speaker 1: Amandahal reporter w i E n K TV Fort Myers,
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  Speaker 1: Florida has no idea what's about to hit them, But
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  Speaker 1: the APB is out for her white Escalade. Listen to Devil.
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  Speaker 1: We know the family vehicle, a two thousand and five
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  Speaker 1: Cadillac Escalade, was also missing. Lewis didn't waste time getting
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  Speaker 1: out of town. She was on the run, driving the
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  Speaker 1: family Cadillac and had no thought of returning to Blooming Prairie.
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  Speaker 1: She headed south with the hopes that it wouldn't be
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  Speaker 1: discovered for a long time what happened to her husband.
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  Speaker 1: It didn't take long for the least to realize that
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  Speaker 1: Lois had skipt down, and they soon had her face
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  Speaker 1: plastered all over the media with a label naming her
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  Speaker 1: fugitive grandma. One of Lois's first stops was at the
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  Speaker 1: Diamond Joe Casino, which was just across the Iowa border.
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  Speaker 1: The employees at the casino knew who she was and
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  Speaker 1: knew that blackjack was her game of choice. Diamond Joe
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  Speaker 1: was only about a forty five minute drive from Dave
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  Speaker 1: and Lois's home, and she visited there often. At the
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  Speaker 1: casino and all throughout her drive south, Lewis used her
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  Speaker 1: husband's debit card and checkbook to write herself checks and
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  Speaker 1: transfer funds to her bank account, totaling over eleven thousand dollars. Wow,
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  Speaker 1: joining me right now, longtime friend of murder victim David
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  Speaker 1: Reese and wife Lois test cost her test? Does this
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  Speaker 1: sound like the Lois that you knew Lois opened Dave here.
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  Speaker 1: All the daycare moms and dad thought she was great.
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  Speaker 1: She was always a happy, fun loving, very sweet, nice person,
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  Speaker 1: happy go lucky person. When she was spun on surveilance
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  Speaker 1: video at that come and go gas station trying to
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  Speaker 1: get to the next casino, head south, asking for directions,
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  Speaker 1: she also bought a sandwich. Clearly, to you, doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst,
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  Speaker 1: murdering her husband had not affected her appetite, Nancy, it
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  Speaker 1: had not. And you know, if you ever played candy Land,
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  Speaker 1: you know where you go to the gumdrop Forest and
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  Speaker 1: then the Lollipop Farm. You know there's all these stops
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  Speaker 1: along the way that are all themed around candy. This
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  Speaker 1: is what this trip down south was like for her,
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  Speaker 1: except it was through all of the casinos. She had
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  Speaker 1: one motivation in mind, and that was money. She murdered
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  Speaker 1: her own husband for eleven thou Send dollars she took
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  Speaker 1: from her own disabled sister's estate, a disabled sister where
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  Speaker 1: she was the conservator of the trustee. And I believe
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  Speaker 1: that what was happening for Lois Reese, as with so
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  Speaker 1: many women who kill, is she wanted an idealized life.
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  Speaker 1: This is why Casey Anthony killed, Why Jodi Arias killed,
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  Speaker 1: the idea of getting something better for herself, and how
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  Speaker 1: is she going to get it? She was going to
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  Speaker 1: gamble and gamble and make a ton of money by
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  Speaker 1: a mansion, have a great life, and nobody would ever
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  Speaker 1: catch up with her, do you ask? She Wilcott judge,
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  Speaker 1: trial lawyer, anchor court TV at aske Wilcott dot com.
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  Speaker 1: Very often we hear about killers going and chowing down
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  Speaker 1: after the murders. I was thinking about, specifically a little
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  Speaker 1: girl who was murdered by an engineering student David Eisenhower
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  Speaker 1: and his friend Natalie Keepers. And this little girl, Nicole Level,
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  Speaker 1: was lured out of her home, murdered, her body was
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  Speaker 1: wiped down with bleach, and she was left naked near
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  Speaker 1: the side of the road. They were planning the murder
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  Speaker 1: at a local barbecue spot, and after the murder apparently
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  Speaker 1: went and had food. And you hear about it all
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  Speaker 1: the time. If you've ever seen that in all of
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  Speaker 1: the cases you've handled and presided over, absolutely I do
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  Speaker 1: see it not on an unusual basis. So let me
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  Speaker 1: suggest this. I kind of disagree in terms of why
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  Speaker 1: somebody like this may commit a crime like this. I
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  Speaker 1: think it's because sometimes people want to do what they
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  Speaker 1: want to do, period, and they're going to go and
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  Speaker 1: do what they want to do. And if I want
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  Speaker 1: to go gambling and my husband doesn't agree, I can
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  Speaker 1: go gambling. Maybe I'll kill them. If I want to
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  Speaker 1: go do this and I can't, well then I'll just
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  Speaker 1: go commit this crime and then I can do what
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  Speaker 1: I want along those sane lines. By doing those things
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  Speaker 1: to do what I want, guess what else, I'm hungry.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna do what I want, and I'm gonna do
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  Speaker 1: it an excess, just like I committed a crime that
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  Speaker 1: was excess mm. I like your thinking, doctor, Bethany Marshall.
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  Speaker 1: That's just that's a that's an outright challenge. Okay, she
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  Speaker 1: threw down the Gauntland, right. I mean that's a slap
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  Speaker 1: in the face. You know, what do you have to
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  Speaker 1: say to that, Bethany? Are you gonna take that? I
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  Speaker 1: do think I do think Ashley will call it his right.
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  Speaker 1: But that's why I said these women murder because a
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  Speaker 1: hair fight. Hey, what I wonder is why get a
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  Speaker 1: sandwich at the stop and go? Why not go out?
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  Speaker 1: To Mastros and get you know, a steak and a
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  Speaker 1: baked potato and class a nice red wine and live
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  Speaker 1: is Mastros. It's a steakhouse here in Beverly Hills. It's
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  Speaker 1: very yummy, it's a very prisy, it's a very elegant.
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  Speaker 1: Why can't we catch this woman? How can this woman
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  Speaker 1: evade police? She's changing her appearance, I know that. But
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  Speaker 1: she's checking in and out of hotel motels, ordering room service,
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  Speaker 1: ordering movies. How's she getting away with it? You wonder
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  Speaker 1: what Kat's using. They should be able to track her down,
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  Speaker 1: but sometimes it's by the time they get your fishing
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  Speaker 1: back to one step behind. Seriously, because the minute my
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  Speaker 1: son orders some video game, it pops up right on
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  Speaker 1: my phone ninety nine cents, and I know it is
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  Speaker 1: John David. That's because it's your phone, right, But to
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  Speaker 1: get somebody else information dates a lot more so. Joe
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  Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, I guess she did high tel it out
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  Speaker 1: of town because she left her husband's body rotting in
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  Speaker 1: the bathroom. Yeah, And I found it really curious, Nancy
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  Speaker 1: that when you were first talking about this case, you
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  Speaker 1: talked about how she sealed the door, and this is
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  Speaker 1: something that you see many times in these cases where
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  Speaker 1: an individuals takes a person into a contained area. We've
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  Speaker 1: talked about Jodi Arias before, like in the bathroom. It
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  Speaker 1: facilitates the ability to be able to clean up an
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  Speaker 1: area if you're going to make a mess, and boy
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  Speaker 1: was this a mess. And if you seal off the door,
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  Speaker 1: you can't have you can't smell or detect that odor
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  Speaker 1: of decomposition, which is inevitably going to happen, and it
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  Speaker 1: certainly happened in this case, Nancy. This lady's thinking, she's
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  Speaker 1: thinking several steps ahead. That's why it's so difficult to
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  Speaker 1: catch her. Well, there's also this bizarre dichotomy because you've
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  Speaker 1: got her totally swapping out live. She's the wife of
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  Speaker 1: a worm farmer and living in Rochester, Minnesota. I mean
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  Speaker 1: Kellen Thompson KIMT News. What's a typical winter weather in Rochester, Rochester,
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  Speaker 1: Minnesota is bone chilling cold. Those winters can get really
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  Speaker 1: cold and that wind can get really nasty, Killen Thompson.
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  Speaker 1: She goes from bone chilling, as you describe it accurately,
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  Speaker 1: whether in Rochester to your neck of the woods Atmanda Hall, Wi,
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  Speaker 1: n KTV, Fort Myers. She's changing lives and changing latitudes.
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  Speaker 1: What's your regular temp in Fort Myers? Oh, we're in
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  Speaker 1: the nineties, Nancy gapshe Josie seven mile island of Fort
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  Speaker 1: Myer's Beach, where we have more sunshine than snow in Minnesota. Dang.
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  Speaker 1: So everything is turned upside down for Lois Reese. She's
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  Speaker 1: swapping everything out for a new life. But then to
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  Speaker 1: test cost her, did you have any idea what was
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  Speaker 1: about to hit you? How did it all start with
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  Speaker 1: Lois Reese re emerging in your life? He Ashley was
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  Speaker 1: sitting on Fort Myer's Beach at the Salty Crab and
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  Speaker 1: called my daughter Rihanna about ten thirty in the morning,
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  Speaker 1: stating that she was a friend of ours and had
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  Speaker 1: met us before, and I wasn't answering my cell phone,
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  Speaker 1: and she didn't have Rod's cell phone number, and could
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  Speaker 1: she get the address to where we are and Rod's
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  Speaker 1: cell phone number? So my daughter graciously gave that information
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  Speaker 1: out because we have rentals, and so people asked all
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  Speaker 1: the time how to get a hold of us, and
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  Speaker 1: then apparently talked to her for a little while. The
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  Speaker 1: caller ID came up as Stormy Liberty at the car
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  Speaker 1: lot when my daughter answered the phone, Stormy Liberty, and
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  Speaker 1: your daughter so kindly gave out your private number to
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  Speaker 1: a suspected killer. So what happened? Then? We found out
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  Speaker 1: from my renters who lived right next door to us,
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  Speaker 1: she had pulled in the driveway in the parents happened
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  Speaker 1: to be gone, walked up the stairs and started to
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  Speaker 1: walk in the house, and the younger teenagers that were
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  Speaker 1: still there said, hey, lady, what are you doing? And
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  Speaker 1: she said, well, I'm renting this and they said, no,
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  Speaker 1: you're not. We have it until Saturday. Oh sorry, and
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  Speaker 1: she walked away and got in her car and drove off.
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  Speaker 1: Then about one in the afternoon, one thirty, I was
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  Speaker 1: cleaning my garage and her Cadillac Escalade Pro Colored had
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  Speaker 1: gone by, turned and parked in my driveway. Again, people
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  Speaker 1: do this, they're looking at my signs or whatever for
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  Speaker 1: the rentals. And she gets out, walks around behind the car,
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  Speaker 1: and I stepped forward and say can I help you?
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  Speaker 1: And then our eyes met and I just went My
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  Speaker 1: heart skipped a beat. After hearing all the stories about
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  Speaker 1: that she had left her husband dead up in Minnesota
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  Speaker 1: scared me to death. Well, she apparently didn't want me
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  Speaker 1: to see her, and said wronghouse, wrong house, and put
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  Speaker 1: her head down and quick out in her car and
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  Speaker 1: drove away. You guys locked eyes, and you knew that
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  Speaker 1: she was a suspect, and in Dave's murder, she ducks
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  Speaker 1: her head so she wouldn't be recognized and goes, oh,
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  Speaker 1: wronghouse and takes off. But you knew, you knew it
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  Speaker 1: was Lois Race. So what did you do when she
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  Speaker 1: drove off? At that time? I panicked and ran upstairs
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  Speaker 1: to my husband, who happened to be talking to daughter
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  Speaker 1: Brianna at the time, and he set the phone down
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  Speaker 1: but didn't hang up, and I'm, oh, my goodness, Lois
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  Speaker 1: Reese was just in our driveway. Ride. Lois is in
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  Speaker 1: Fort Myers Beach. We need to call nine one one.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, we should maybe have you drive and follow
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  Speaker 1: her and I'll dial nine one one. And he said, oh, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: she has a gun. We are not following her. Absolutely not.
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  Speaker 1: So he picks up the phone and he said, Brianna,
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  Speaker 1: call the low call sheriffs and police and let them
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  Speaker 1: know Lois is here in Fort Myer's speech. She was
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  Speaker 1: just in our driveway. So we also hung up from her,
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  Speaker 1: and I dialed nine on one, who told me I
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  Speaker 1: needed to call the county where this all happened. So
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  Speaker 1: I hang up and call Steel County, where Blooming Prairie
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  Speaker 1: is not thinking Lois and Dave's houses on the county's
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  Speaker 1: line in actually in Dodge County. So Steele County tells
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  Speaker 1: me I need to call Dodge County. So I called
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  Speaker 1: Dodge County. Meanwhile I'm googling all these numbers, and then
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  Speaker 1: Dodge County says, no, you should be talking to the
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  Speaker 1: police department in Fort Myers. So they've actually connected me
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  Speaker 1: with a police department in Fort Myers who told me
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  Speaker 1: I needed to talk to the sheriff's department because the
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  Speaker 1: sheriff's department handles the beach. So then I hung up
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  Speaker 1: and called the sheriff's department. Got them in my driveway
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  Speaker 1: a half an hour later. Good gravy, What I run
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  Speaker 1: around and you've got a murderer walked around coming up
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  Speaker 1: in your driveway and she has to know that you
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  Speaker 1: identify her, that you knew it was her. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you guys, go way back. So the police finally get there.
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  Speaker 1: What happened after the Sheriff's department was in my driveway.
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  Speaker 1: They pulled Lois Reeth up on their computer screen and
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  Speaker 1: said she's only wanted for theft and forgery. She's a
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  Speaker 1: person of interest in her husband's murder if they don't
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  Speaker 1: have her under murder charges. So they said, there's really
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  Speaker 1: it's not worth us to go looking for her for
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  Speaker 1: just those charges. Well then about a half an hour later,
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  Speaker 1: Dodge Coney Sheriff's department calls me and questions me. Asked
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  Speaker 1: me what exactly had happened, and I commented, they don't
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  Speaker 1: want to look for her because there's not enough charges,
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  Speaker 1: and they apparently the two sheriff's departments didn't get together.
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  Speaker 1: I do have to say Sport Myers Beach Sheriff's department
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  Speaker 1: was very good at driving by our place and checking
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  Speaker 1: on us, and they all thought that Louis had left
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  Speaker 1: Hound or left the beach, but I kept saying, no,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think she left. I think she's here. So
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  Speaker 1: every Cadillac escalate, I would be looking at the plate
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  Speaker 1: frantically thinking it's her. I would be scared to death,
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  Speaker 1: especially for my children and this woman who is believed
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  Speaker 1: to be a murderer the cops say is not worth
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  Speaker 1: looking for her because the only official charge charges are
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  Speaker 1: theft and stealing from her sister and husband's account. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: really saying it's not worth looking for her? Are you serious?
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  Speaker 1: Just saying if they had not treated this the way
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  Speaker 1: they did, other lives could have been saved, but they
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  Speaker 1: blew it off. So after you see Lois in your
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  Speaker 1: driveway and you know she murdered Dave and gone on
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  Speaker 1: the lamb, what went through your mind, Tess? I was
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  Speaker 1: frantic because I thought that we were the next in line.
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  Speaker 1: I actually expected that night that she'd be back with
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  Speaker 1: a gun trying to get into our house. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: I packed up our most expensive belongings in a bag
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  Speaker 1: and I kept insisting we were going to stay at
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  Speaker 1: a motel that night. And then between my husband and
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  Speaker 1: the police or the sheriff department, they convinced me that
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  Speaker 1: she had left the island and we did sleep at
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  Speaker 1: our house that night. But yeah, I was that scared.
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  Speaker 1: Straight out to Amanda Hall, reporter w i n KTV
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  Speaker 1: fort Myers, test Costers right, she didn't leave the area.
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  Speaker 1: Lois Rice was there on business when is Lois Race
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  Speaker 1: next boted Lois Reeves is next spotted at the Smoke
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  Speaker 1: and Oyster Brewery. This is a local, a place that's
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  Speaker 1: popular with both locals on Fort Myer's Beach and also
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  Speaker 1: tourists because it's close to the hotels. It's walking distance
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  Speaker 1: from people to go and have a drink and have
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  Speaker 1: dinner near the condos. And she's seen sitting on a
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  Speaker 1: bar stool speaking with a woman who looks a lot
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  Speaker 1: like her, like they could even be sisters or relatives.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: And they're sitting on a bar stool on surveillance from
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: what we call locals call s obs. That's the Smoke
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: and Oyster Brewery. You know what's so interesting about this
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: is that I've watched the video over and over and
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: over and what was the name of the restaurant, Amanda,
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  Speaker 1: The Smoke and Oyster Brewery, Nancy. I've watched the video
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  Speaker 1: surveillance and the Smoking Oyster Brewery, and it looks like
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: they're on a date, because it looks like Lois Reese
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  Speaker 1: has just come in. She sees this woman sitting at
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  Speaker 1: the bar, maybe eating and having a drink, and she's
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: like all up in her face and they're laughing, and
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Lois Reese is throwing her hair back, and it just
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  Speaker 1: it's weird straight out to you, Joe Scott Morgan, have
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: you seen that video? Yeah? I have, and it kicks
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  Speaker 1: his saw up to another level of chilling. That might
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: be an understatement, Nancy, because it is very She's very
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: I don't want to stay passive, but you know, kind
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  Speaker 1: of friendly, outgoing, smiling, you know, just carrying on like
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: it's just another day all the while. You know, back
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  Speaker 1: up in Minnesota, her husband is left rotting in a
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  Speaker 1: bathroom after she's gunned him down. What's all the flirtingness
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: going on at that bar? Do you? Doctor, Bethany? She
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: already knows when she enters that bar that she needs
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: She's probably run out of money at this point. Remember
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: she's a gambling addict. She has an offending pattern that
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: is firmly established at this point. She kills somebody, drains
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  Speaker 1: their bank account, gambles, runs out of the money. Oops.
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  Speaker 1: Now she has to procure more money to pay off
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  Speaker 1: for gambling debts. So when she goes in, she is
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: trolling looking for another victim, another woman who looks like her,
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  Speaker 1: somebody she can groom and seduce into a sense of
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: safety and trust. So she can kill that person with
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: the same gun, take that person's identity, and then go
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: on and continue gambling. And yes, that video looks like
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: a date. She's very flirtatious with that woman. She is
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: flirtatious with her next upcoming murder victim. She is looking
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: for a doppel ganger, a look alike. What could be
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: wrong with talking to another woman at an oyster bar?
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Take a listen to this. On April sixth, an employee
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: told police Hutchinson or someone that sounded like her called
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: to extend her stay by three days later. That day,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Reese was captured on video using Hutchinson's information to withdraw
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: five thousand dollars from her bank account. She may look
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: like anyone's mother or grandmother. She's an absolute coldblooded murderer.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: In the days after, while Reese was on the run,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: she was seen entering a hotel in Okalla, Florida. Video
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: also captured her pulling up to the hotel in Hutchinson's
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: white accurate sedan. Straight back to Amanda hall Wian KTV
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Fort Myers, what happened? I've seen the video of Lois
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Reese leaving Pam Hutchinson's condo. The resort gets a call
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: claiming Hutchinson wanted to extend her stay. But when I
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: see Lois Reese in the video leaving Pam Hutchinson's condo,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: she's wearing Pam's I think the same hat she had
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: on at the Oyster bar. What happened well, and I
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: think it doesn't take much to connect the dots that
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: it wasn't Pam Hutchinson who called the death to extend
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: or day those three days. We think it was the
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: fugitive Grandma lowest Rees extending the day to buy herself
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: some more time before they went in there and found
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: the Lowest Race's new friend Pam Hutchinson on the floor.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: To Professor Forensics Joe Scott Morgan, tell me about the
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: discovery of Pamela Hutchinson's body and her missing hat. Yeah, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: this is an indication that you know, there was a
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: hat that she was seen wearing. It was a pink
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: ball cap as a matter of fact, and that was
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: kind of a specific identifier in this case, and it
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: was found associated with her and it turned out being
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: blood soaked if I remember correctly, her body was found
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: in a pool of blood in the hotel room and
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: is also known that it appears that she was shot
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: with a twenty two caliber pistol, which is in fact
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: what Lois's husband was killed. Joseph S. Gott Morgan, do
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: you see the similarities in the way Pam Hutchinson is
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: found dead and the way David Reese was killed. Yeah,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: these are tie backs that shows Nancy. Let me give
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: you just a couple of quick tie backs here. First off,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: I believe it's the same weapon. And many times when
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: you have people that are serialized killers like this, they
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: return to those things that are very familiar with them,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: the tools of their trade, if you will. So she's
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: going to use this twenty two caliber pistol that she
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: has in her possession. And then you go to the
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: way the scene is found. They're both in isolation, that
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: is David and this poor woman. They're both found in
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: these locations and lockdown so that no one can get
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: access to them. And then she moves on. This goes
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: to kind of the stealthy nature in which she's practicing
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: these horrible crimes and door Bethany Marshall, she's specifically picked
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Pam Hutcheson because she's a lookalike. She has picked as
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: you said earlier, a doppelganger. She knows when she walks
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: into that bar when she had company's hutchinsonto her hotel room,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: that she is going to assume this woman's identity. Can
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: you see how the offending pattern is getting practiced and
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: rehearsed and elaborated upon, so that each time Grandma serial
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: killer kills, she's actually adding another note. Another way of
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: doing it. It's like practicing the piano, and you play
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: the same bar again and again and again, and all
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: of a sudden you decide to add another melody, and
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: then another melody. But what she's adding in at this
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: point is assuming other people's identities. It's not enough that
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: she drained her husband's business account and her disabled's bank account.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Now she's going to take over a person's entire life.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: So she is escalating in her offending pattern, and in
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: a sense, she's beginning to go on the crime street.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Louis Freeze captured on video using Hutchinson's information to get
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: five grand from a bank account, then pulls up at
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: a hotel to order a room service and movies in
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: room movies in Hutchinson's car with Hutchinson's driver's licenses and
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: driver's license and credit cards. She's assumed not only her ID,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: but her car, her insurance, her credit cards, even her hat.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Does this woman no shame? And back to you? Test
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: cost her. You were right to be physically ill for
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: the next two days, ill with fear. You had to
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: be afraid that she had been coming after you. Yes,
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: after the fact. At first they thought she was just
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: wanting to squat in one of my houses, find a
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: place to live for free. Then after the whole Pamela
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: thing happened, then I started thinking back, Oh my goodness,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: I do look a lot like her, same heights, blonde hair,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: same statue, So I thinking it could have been me.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: That's a scary thought. So, seven days after test costs
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: her Spots or old buddy Lois Reese, Pam Hutchinson's body
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: was found. Correct, Pam's time share condo less than a
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: block murder was one block from our house in Snug Harbor,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: on the fourth floor. At a distance. You could be
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: a sister of Ess. But didn't the deputies tell you
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: that Lois could have very well been coming after you
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: the day that I went into identify her on all
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: the videotapes. Yes, they commented that we did look similar.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: And those videotapes they were heartbreaking, just heart wrenching. They
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: had her in the hall which they had her in
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: the hallway of Snug Harbor, apparently about right after the murder,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: pacing back and forth, going to the elevator, then going
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: back toward the door and going to the elevator and
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: pacing back and forth. But they had a videotape of
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: her the next day on Friday, loading her Pamela's car
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: actually with things, and according to the sheriff, the hat
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: was even Pamela's that she was wearing. And then they
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: had photos of her at the ATM machine with Pamela's
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: hat on, withdrawing money from Pamela's account. They also had
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: the d of her at Smulkin Oyster Brewery when her
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: and Pamela were first meeting, and her swinging her long
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: platinum hair that was on TV quite often. So Lois
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Reese is now assuming pam Hutchinson identity. But where is
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: she headed? Listen wanted The nationwide hunt for the accused
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: killer Grandma just escalated big time. Giant new billboards are
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: going up in Force States, Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: They feature the face of fifty six year old Lois
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Reese being sought for the slaying of her look alike
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: in Fort Myers, Florida. The US Marshall Service has assumed
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: command of the search. This case has really grabbed the
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: attention of the nation. Now look at this. It's the
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: image of a middle aged woman robbing a bank in Pasadena, California.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: She's wearing a hat and glasses, and she's about the
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: same age and body type as Lois Reese. Could that
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: be her? We are receiving several tips. Some are are
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: very credible and some are not so credible. Reese was
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: last seen in Corpus Christi, Texas, driving a white Accuras
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: she allegedly stole from her last victim, Pamela Hutchinson, who
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: copsay was targeted by Reese because they looked so much alike.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Where will Lois Reese turn up next? And who will
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: be her next victim? Maybe she'll pull up at a
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: red light beside you. Nancy Grace killers amongst us signing
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: off goodbye for