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MK-Ultra, MAGA & America's Digital Prison | Seth on Shannon Joy · Man in America Podcast

• 0:13
  Speaker 1: He is Man in America, one of the most compelling and truly independent podcasters and broadcasters in The United States Of America today. Platform, we talk about his evolution from being a right wing supporter to becoming fully independent. It is a fascinating and compelling conversation that I had with Seth today. You can see the headline of today's show exclusive with Seth whole house on his powerful MK Ultra Survivor series. This was one of the most powerful and compelling interviews I have ever conducted.
• 0:55
  And it wasn't because of me. It was because of Seth Wholehouse. I think that if there is one person with the right temperament and nature to conduct a series of interviews with some of the highest profile, most articulate and compelling survivals of what they describe as MK-Ultra mind control and conditioning ritual satanic sexual abuse. The stories are horrifying. And a few months ago, Seth decided to interview these survivors.
• 1:30
  There are series of interviews, people like Kathy O'Brien, and JR Sweet, among other others, they're horrifying. And I've been meaning to interview Seth for quite some time because he's conducting the interviews, quite frankly, that I've shied away from over the past decade. I've known about MK-Ultra. I've known about these victims' testimonies. I've listened to some of their testimonies and read some of their writing and their books.
• 2:00
  But it is such an extraordinary story, and it is so disturbing that I had a really hard time bringing it to my audience. I always want to bring you the truth as best as I can find it. And one of the biggest problems that I had with these interviews and these testimonies and the stories that many of us have heard over the years is that I wasn't sure if I could trust the victims, the survivors, even if their stories were true. They had been so abused and so traumatized throughout the course of their lives, could we even trust their testimonies? And so that was one of the reasons that I have held off.
• 2:40
  I am so glad that Seth Wholehouse had the courage and the bravery to conduct these interviews. And I wanted to talk to him about that today on the Shannon joy show and to accommodate his schedule. We pre recorded the interview yesterday. And it's, it's absolutely compelling. Some of these stories are almost too shocking to believe.
• 3:08
  And as I mentioned, one wonders if we should even believe them, but their testimonies are compelling. They reveal patterns, and they reflect some of the things that we are witnessing today. I don't know if I would have explored this topic if it weren't for the release of the Epstein files and the act of suppression, the the willful suppression by people at the highest positions of power in The United States Of America, Democrats and Republicans. Donald Trump, the president of The United States Of America and his attorney general, the Department of Justice, even even state courts and jurisdictions actively suppressing the release of the files and the names of the men who have raped children, some of the most powerful men on the face of the earth. The fact that we know that child abuse happened, that children were raped, that Jeffrey Epstein and Jalane Maxwell were arrested and imprisoned because of their trafficking of children to rich and powerful men.
• 4:12
  The fact that this is being suppressed and they refuse in broad daylight to release those names and to pursue justice, I think, illuminates something about our culture today. And it makes you believe that maybe there is something much more sinister, much deeper, much darker than what we are being led to believe. And so that is why these discussions, I think, are important. And it's why I think that we should explore this. It's interesting on today, full interview ninety minutes.
• 4:45
  So we're going to run the interview with Seth whole house. It's a full ninety minutes uninterrupted. I'm going to start it in just a couple minutes. And I have a couple more thoughts about that why I think that this is important. And we'll define MK Ultra before we start the interview.
• 5:01
  We didn't define it during the interview. But we'll do that before we get started. And we'll also look at at this headline unbelievably this headline today. This happened yesterday. Thomas Massey is reading the names he is continuing his effort to force the hand of the President of the United States of America Congress, Senate, the House of Representatives and the DOJ to pursue justice when it comes to the victims and the survivors of the Epstein cartel.
• 5:30
  This is from Sayer G on Substack. It is linked in the show notes of the Shannon Joy Show. The DOJ won't name them. Massey did last night. Now Congress has to decide whose side it's on.
• 5:42
  A discharge petition needs two eighteen signatures to force the vote on the release of the Epstein files and the Epstein files Transparency Act number two. The list of who signs it will be public. And so we are going to get the members of Congress on the record. Thank you, Thomas Massey for your courage and your unwillingness to stand down on all of this. This has been an extraordinary battle.
• 6:11
  And Tom Massey lost his primary because of his willingness to stand up and speak out on behalf of the victims of this dark cartel that our government as of today, continues to protect. Very dangerous work for Tom Massey. And he read the names. I'll read them today before we get started. This is what he said.
• 6:34
  We want the perpetrators of these crimes to be investigated and prosecuted. And he opened up the discharge petition beginning today. Any member of Congress can sign at two eighteen signatures. The speaker can no longer keep the bill off the floor. So we are going to be watching with eagle eyes what these members of Congress do over the next couple weeks.
• 6:59
  And he posted out yesterday on the house floor tonight, this is Tom Massey. I read the names of several Epstein co conspirators who should be investigated and prosecuted. I also began collecting two eighteen signatures for the discharge petition to force a vote on the Epstein files Transparency Act number two. And I will be working with Tom Massey and his team to get him on the Shannon Joy show next week. He has been a regular guest on this show.
• 7:29
  We have featured him and his work, and we're going to see if we can get him on to talk about that next week. But this is what he said on the floor of Congress. We want the perpetrators of these crimes to be investigated and prosecuted. And these are the names. Jess Staley, Leon Black, Les Wexner, David Copperfield, Lapo Elkin, Tom Pritzker, Glenn Dubin Frederick, Fekai, Edward Tiajarani Fabry, Jean Luc Brunel, Danielle Syed, Ramsey Elkery, Prince Andrew, and Leslie Groff.
• 8:17
  Tom Massey ended with this: Perhaps hearing these names will shame the Department of Justice into delivering justice. So I appreciate Tom Massey. I appreciate his efforts. We need to support him. And we will continue to watch this story very briefly.
• 8:34
  Isn't it fascinating that this suppression of a child sex trafficking ring, and child predators, rapists, men who rape children, isn't it unbelievable that they are being protected by the most powerful people on the face of the planet? Donald Trump, a Republican, members of Congress, members of the Senate, those who are leading the Department of Justice. It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable, but it makes believable the conversation that I had today or yesterday with Seth Hohaus regarding his powerful MK Ultra Survivors series. Now, I want to preface the interview that it contains graphic discussion of testimonies from survivors of MK-Ultra and ritual sexual abuse.
• 9:31
  So please use discretion. The interview that I'm going to run-in just a moment is not for children. If you're under the age of 18, please do not watch this if you are a mom or a dad or a grandma or a grandpa and you're in proximity of children. This is not for children. And, you know, I do want to preface this, you know, let's put on the armor of God, because we are going to dive into some really kind of dark things.
• 9:59
  And as you all know, I'm a believer, I am a Christian, so is Seth Holehouse. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places. That is Ephesians six twelve. We do need to put our spiritual honor, our armor on for these types of discussion. Yeah, it's, it's really dark.
• 10:28
  It's really dark. And, as I mentioned, I commend Seth Hohlhaus for his courage in conducting these interviews. There are a series of them. And my interview with him spans ninety minutes. I'm going to run it in total, no breaks.
• 10:46
  And we're just going to dive into it. Now MK Ultra for those of you who don't know what MK Ultra is, it is a real program. It was a real program conducted by the CIA. It was launched in 1953 by CIA Director Alan Dulles. Since its exposure and and the release of the documents, government officials and intelligence officials say that the MK Ultra program has been suspended.
• 11:14
  But that's very difficult to believe, especially given the fact that we know how much disregard and disdain our federal government has for the independence, the sovereignty and the dignity average humans, given what they've done to us in the past five years. Their willingness to experiment on humans is horrifying. And MK Ultra was just another example of that. They experimented on unwitting citizens to try to traumatize them to such an extent that they could cause disassociation. And then when that person is in a disassociated state, go in and implant memories and ideas and personalities and essentially break their minds for the purpose of controlling their minds.
• 12:02
  This was run by the US government, our CIA using your taxpayer dollars. It funded roughly 149 sub projects throughout The United States Of America in, of course, universities, hospitals, prisons, and government front organizations. They used many methods, high doses of LSD and other drugs, hypnosis, electroshock, sensory deprivation, prolonged isolation, and a combination of the above, and I'm sure they probably use trauma as well. Now, this program is not disputed. The question is, are they still deploying these types of mind control techniques?
• 12:47
  What did they learn? What did they glean? Did they really end the project? Or did they just rename it and move it into, I don't know, a Department of Defense black budget? Right?
• 12:56
  There is so much money unaccounted for in those Department of Defense spending bills that these programs could still be being deployed, and we just wouldn't know about it, there wouldn't be any oversight. We've talked about, we've talked about the the covert military operation that is signature reduction. This is a program launched by our government by our military about fifteen years ago, deploying 60,000 civilians and front organizations to reduce the signature of the federal government to take federal government operations, perhaps intelligence operations, and funnel them through private corporations, private institutions, private individuals. That way, the government never comes under scrutiny. They operate with black budgets.
• 13:44
  Congress never authorized signature reduction. Most Congress people don't know what it is. It is unclear how much has been allocated in terms of a budget, but the estimates are hundreds of millions of dollars, if not billions. These are very important realities that no one is disputing. So when you take the refusal to release the majority of the Epstein files and the refusal to prosecute the child rapist, and then you look at the programs that are still in place today, the black budgets of the DOD, signature reduction, and what our own government did to us, We the People, mass experimenting on The United States population through the lockdowns of twenty twenty and the deployment of the kill shots.
• 14:31
  They experimented on all of us. That's how dangerous our government is. Left and right. The Donald Trump administration started it. The Biden administration continued it.
• 14:42
  And now the Donald Trump administration is warp speeding the next phase of this. This is why we have to talk about these things. This is why maybe we shouldn't shy away from MK-Ultra, the program, and the people who are willing to testify to what they experienced during these programs. I don't think that this belongs in the realm of conspiracy theory any longer. And of course, we need to take these testimonies with a grain of salt.
• 15:12
  And I would encourage all of you to consider watching the series. I've watched only a couple of Seth whole house's interviews because they're difficult to watch, and difficult to listen to. But we talked to him about why this is important today in the show. And here's why one of the other reasons that I think this is incredibly important, and maybe the most important reason, if they have perfected through deep, like through the deep state and through dark budgets, this type of mind control of individuals, right? What's to stop them from trying to expand that to mass populations of people?
• 15:51
  Deploying those same tactics and techniques of trauma based mind control, repetition, conditioning, using social media, using mass media, using front organizations, bots and trolls and independent journalists and influencers posing as civilians, but actually delivering propaganda for the government? How sophisticated are these operations? And could they be deploying them on us? That's why it's important to understand MK-Ultra and hear these testimonies, which are very, very dark. So this is why I decided to interview Seth whole house.
• 16:31
  And this is why I am so glad that he had the courage to do these interviews. And so everything is linked in the show notes of the Shannon Joy show today. I do want to say hello to all of you if you're watching right now. On Rumble, please give the show a thumbs up. Share this with everyone you know.
• 16:49
  Buskman, I see you on the live chat. Like, subscribe, and comment to the Shannon Joy Show. Absolutely. This is how this helps us to grow and to grow the footprint of the Ask J Show, k c twelve one one two. Hey.
• 17:04
  Shannon lit a fire on the free thought project podcast. Amazing conversation that I had with Jason Bassler and Matt the Agerist. They dropped that yesterday on their platform. KC-twelve. Thank you so much for linking that in the chat on the Shannon Joy Show.
• 17:20
  Appreciate you. In the show notes of today's show, guys, you have the substack from Sayer G on the efforts of Tom Massey to release the second round of Epstein files and an overview of what we can expect over the couple weeks that's linked in the SJ show notes. Also, Man in America, a Voice of Reason, Seth whole house's website, and also a link directly to his MK Ultra survivors series and also the ARC community, which we talk about at the end of his program. Seth and I dove deep into the darkness today, but we returned to the light at the end. This shouldn't frighten you.
• 18:02
  This should help you understand why things seem so dark, so evil, so strange today in The United States Of America and across the globe. And we want to face the truth, not hide from it.
• 18:18
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• 19:04
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• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Without further ado, I'm going to start my interview with Seth Holehouse. Ninety minutes, ninety minutes, I pre recorded it yesterday to accommodate his schedule. And we go in-depth his MK Ultra survivors series, among other things, what is really running the world. We tackle it today with Seth whole house. Without further ado, here's my interview.
• 19:56
  Seth Wholehouse joins me today on the Shannon Joy Show for a very, very special interview. He is Man in America. You can find him on Twitter. His handle is Man in America. His website is maninamerica.com.
• 20:10
  And he is an independent. He's the host of his this daily broadcast. Seth, welcome to the Shannon Joy Show, reaching millions of people every month. It's amazing. You do it independently.
• 20:22
  So glad to have you on the show today. Welcome.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. It's always nice to well, it's nice for a few things. One, to be on the opposite side, usually on the one interviewing. And so it's it's nice to be the one having questions coming at me. But it's also nice to sit down with people that are of, I think, the same journey that I'm on.
• 20:42
  And you're one of the few people that I know is truly independent. I think more than ever now, we're seeing that a lot of the conservative or alt right heroes are not in fact independent, and they are just as much propaganda as CNN. It just happens to be that we agree with more of the propaganda than the other propaganda. So it's good to know the independent ones and stick close together because there's not many of us.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. And support each other, grow these platforms. What did you make of that Washington Post story? I mean, this is ripping through the headlines that the military, the Pentagon, the Department of Defense is essentially pushing out what we think are civilians, independents, analysts, and they're actually working for the government, pushing out pushing out propaganda. Data Republican is the one that has just been recently outed as a special government employee.
• 21:37
  Kurt Schlichter, who is a mainstream on big conservative outlets now outed as a spokesperson for the Trump administration, and he never disclosed that to his audience. What are your thoughts on that? It's so difficult to find people who are truly independent and operating, outside of the two party political system, but your thoughts on on those revelations.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: To me, it just makes sense. It just it absolutely makes sense. Controlling the narrative is one of the most important things that any ruling power can do. The the elites, the whatever you wanna refer to them, they've done this for for centuries and centuries and centuries that the will and the thoughts of the masses really determine the outcome of where a nation goes. And so it's again, it's a story as as as it's as old as time that when there is anybody that has influence, if you can control that person and you can get them to influence the masses on your behalf, like, is the golden ticket.
• 22:40
  And especially, you know, we live in an age now where the trust in the mainstream media is at an all time low. It's probably continuing to plummet to even lower levels. And, of course, they know that. You know, they know that most people don't trust CNN. They know that most of the conservatives that are watching Newsmax or Fox before the twenty twenty election, for instance, they know that they've lost faith, and a lot of them are turning to independent podcasts.
• 23:07
  They even referred to Trump's recent election as the pod the podcast presidency. I mean, he intentionally was targeting influential podcasts in his way to win the election to gain support. So you put all those pieces together and it just it makes absolute sense that there's going to be massive money, massive networks, massive operations, whether it's blackmail, whether it's bribery, whatever it is, to make sure they can gain control of that. And if you look, one thing I do is just go look at YouTube. Go look at which YouTube and which podcast channels have got 5,000,000, 10,000,000 subscribers over on YouTube.
• 23:44
  I'm sure you know as well as I do that if you are truly independent, you don't have any helping hands allowing you to get there. In fact, you've got hands that are just going like this and just, you know, smashing your nose into the ground as much as they can.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Right. It's so true. I mean, I have seen people pop out of the woodwork. Seth, I've been doing this for almost fifteen years. And I have seen, you know, I'm here and I just see these people elevated, then knocked down, elevated, but they come out of nowhere.
• 24:13
  Their content and their audiences to me seem to be given to them as opposed to them actually earning them and building them organically. And I'm not trying to make judgments here because we don't know the backstory on on all of these different voices, but it's becoming more and more evident that a lot of these social media superstars, so called independents are are platformed and promoted and operating as a sort of limited hangout or a a a way to control narratives and and capture people who are exiting the two party political paradigm, the uni party. And so they need to be captured. They need to be directed. And so we're in this funny moment where, at least for me, like, I'm side eyeing everyone.
• 25:03
  I'm like, we're all looking at each other, and we're like, are you being handled? Are you being handled? Are you my handler? Am I your handler? I you know what I mean?
• 25:13
  Like and that goes to what what I really wanna talk to you about today, and we're gonna get deep into this. You did an amazing series called the Survivor Series looking at MK-Ultra survivors, trauma based mind control, intergenerational familial child ritual sexual abuse for the purpose of controlling things. When you begin to see the layers and you begin to witness what I've witnessed, that so much of what we see and we hear and we're discussing, it's controlled, it's programmed, it's planned. You do get to a point where you're like, woah, what can I trust? What who can I trust?
• 25:56
  I don't know if you experienced that. I like to believe that over fifteen years, I've kind of honed my skills a little bit. But even even to this day, it's hard to know when I'm being influenced, right, about certain things. What are your thoughts on that before we get into this series? Because something is very wrong.
• 26:16
  You get the sense that the people running things are are crazy or demonic or that there's just something very, very wrong that has happened in this country that is leading to the spot that we're in today. And you've interviewed some of the most horrifying cases of MK-Ultra ritual abuse in this series. I highly recommend it. It's the survivor stories. You can find it on his website, maninamerica.com.
• 26:43
  We'll talk about it in a bit. But it you know, to that first point of how can you trust? Who do you trust? You know, what is this crazy spot that that we're that we're in today when we're trying to get good information, but it just seems more and more difficult? How are you navigating that?
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: I think that one thing is that you can't trust anybody. And I'm not saying that in an overly negative way or pessimistic way, but I think that you have to have that in the back of your mind. Yeah. I feel lucky because I've been able to meet a lot of the people like yourself or Maria Z. I've been able to meet and build relationships with people that for most people, these individuals like yourself, you're just the person they see on the Rumble channel or on Twitter.
• 27:28
  Who's this Shannon Joy? And so I've been able to to develop that where I can, you know, kind of I I can get a read from people, and I can also see the topics and everything. But I'd say for people that are watching, I don't want them just to trust me blindly. They shouldn't trust you blindly. I think that I will get things wrong just as you've gotten things wrong.
• 27:47
  And we are human, right? We have we're in this thing called a flesh, right? We're of flesh and blood, and so we make mistakes. But I think it's just really important though that for the the audience that's watching and listening that they have they they go into any show they're watching, any Substack article they're reading, and just think that this might be some sort of influence campaign. And now granted, I think people over time, they will be able to develop trust.
• 28:13
  A lot of people that are still watching my show, I see the comments and over you know, they they feel like they can know me because I I'm on camera, I'm the same as I am off camera. I imagine you're the same that if I met you at a local event, you'd be the same bubbly Shannon Joy as you are right here. I think there's a lot of people, though, that they get in front of a camera, and they put on a completely different persona. And you're like, who is this person? And they think that they know them.
• 28:36
  But I think it's just as a as a very simple principle that the one thing that people should try to build the most trust with is their own intuition. And and that's key. And that's actually that's one of the greatest threats to this entire system is people thinking independently and people following their own God given intuition. Because I think that our intuition is a way that God speaks to us. Right.
• 28:57
  When you walk into a room and you're like, that guy seems kinda strange in the corner, listen to that. When you're watching a podcast or maybe it's one of the guests that you have on or I have on, try to follow that and try to think, what does my intuition tell me about this person? And then but also just then look for look for patterns of behavior. You know, I think that if someone were to say, Seth, why should I trust you? I would say that one of the reasons that I think that I should elicit trust, and I try to, is just that I will very quickly admit when I'm wrong.
• 29:30
  And I have if you look at my own pattern of things, I've changed my position on things multiple times as I've learned new information, as I've discovered more things, and I'll come out and say, gosh, I I was kinda duped by this, and I'm really sorry if I misled you on that, and here's where I'm at right now. And so I think that it's really it really comes down to the person that is that's watching or listening to really hone that skill, of just listening to yourself, listening to your own gut.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. And in terms of of admission of being wrong, I you know, I've said to my audience so many times, and when I got into this business about fifteen years ago, I launched my show thirteen years ago, I was a card carrying right wing Republican, listened to Rush Limbaugh all day long, followed up with with Mark Levin and Sean Hannity. I mean, the the Democrats were the bad guys. The Republicans were the good guys. And this was embedded since I was a child.
• 30:32
  I raised up in all of this. And it was incredibly painful, incredibly painful for me to rip myself away from that in the first few years of my program. I had an inkling that there was something very wrong with the GOP. There was something very wrong with what I had witnessed with my own two eyes in my own New York State GOP. There were certain experiences that informed me and informed my positions on those things and ways that I was able to discern based on what I actually saw and experienced.
• 31:02
  But watching the news cycle, watching the electoral cycle, reporting on multiple campaigns, It was probably about three years in that I just had to say and I've been wrong about I've been wrong about a lot of things since then too, but I was able to say to my audience, like, I I I can't be a republican anymore. Like, the this is this is a wicked operation. This just this isn't just a lesser of two evil evils. This is a a wicked on purpose system that is built to work in tandem with the Democrat party and keep us divided. And that was pain that was it's painful.
• 31:39
  But then I said to other people, listen. We're allowed to be wrong. I mean, we're built we're under layers of sophisticated propagandas propaganda and psyops. And so no one should feel bad about occupying those positions for a while, but I think we need to, to your point, give ourselves a little grace. Right?
• 31:56
  And and let's let ourselves be wrong about things so that we can pursue truth. And, you know, I I see that from you all the time. I I don't know if you experienced anything like that or what your origin story was in in all of this, but but I can I can relate to what you're saying there about about it's very freeing and emancipating to be able to be like, I'm I'm wrong? I'm sorry. Got that one wrong.
• 32:21
  Let's move on. And, you know, and I think it's some it's one of the reasons people certainly trust you.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: You made two two points I wanna highlight. One is that you mentioned that we are within a very, very sophisticated layers and layers and layers of propaganda and social engineering. And so, we have to give ourselves grace because of that. And I also add one more thing, is that we also have to give our neighbors grace. Mhmm.
• 32:48
  We have to be able to give our neighbor that had the Joe Biden sign that was stop talking to you because you had the Trump sign, whatever it is. Yeah. We also have to give them grace because those people, you know, unless someone is is, you know, hell bent on destroying our society, antifa out there, you know, pepper spraying old conservative grandmas, okay, don't give them grace, right? Give them a left hook if you have But but I think that for so many of the Americans, I think on both sides that we have to give each other grace. And I've found that through the Epstein files, the Epstein files, and and I I really focused really hard on it when especially the more recent, kind of drop of all the information that happened earlier this year, that I found that it was an amazing opportunity to unite.
• 33:36
  And I, so I did a lot of coverage, I even put out like a music video about it, kind of a pseudo music, you know, kind of spoken word video about it. Yeah. I did multiple shows on it. And what was interesting is that I had a lot of comments coming in from people say that were actually liberals. And they they had found my content, and they're they're messaging me and saying, wow.
• 33:58
  And and, honestly, I give them all credit. Some them even said, I'm so sorry that I I had judged you so harshly for this. I thought it was some QAnonix, you know, conspiracy that the elites were trafficking children and all this stuff, but now I see that it's true. And so I think that that was a really important, I think, shift, in in in the the overall timeline. But I think that, again, on both sides, we have to realize that we're under we're under this insane, insane system that this propaganda it's not just propaganda.
• 34:32
  It is it is this. It's Plato's cave. That's the best way to describe it. The world that we live in is so carefully constructed.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: Nice.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: And so that it's so hard to find the way out. And you're in this maze and you think you found the way out of the maze, only to a year or two years later, you realize that you just walked down a separate corridor in the maze. It wasn't the exit. It was just another planned corridor in the maze. It is so complex.
• 34:58
  Even for me, I I feel like I've spent easily the last ten to fifteen years trying to understand and uncover what this maze is, what are the mechanisms of the maze, who's controlling it, how long has it been in place, how deep do the lies go, is, you know, yes, we know the media lies to us. What about our history books? What about the Smithsonian? What about the history of the human race? I think all of these things are carefully constructed to trap us in a system that they can use to move us into what I think is eventually the end goal of it being some sort of techno technocratic, gulag globally.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, no. Absolutely. I you know, there are, different versions of what it is, and we're just now beginning to define it. People like yourself, you've been reporting on the technocracy or techno fascism or the tech elites.
• 35:53
  It's global in nature, but this is new to a lot of Americans are beginning to realize it now that we're seeing the infrastructure build out of it. So it's in your backyard with the data centers, it's on the street corner or in the Walmart parking lot with the flat cameras. And so this is now beginning to elicit a response from the American people that were previously asleep to this. And so I think it does give us a huge opportunity to unite with them. I mean, I think the only the only thing more uniting than demanding the release of the Epstein files in in completion is Americans' hatred of the technocratic police state, data centers and flat cameras and Axon and all of it.
• 36:39
  So I do think we're in this crazy spot where where we can unite Americans in a way that they've never been united before, but it's very dangerous, it's precarious. They've accelerated the build out of this technocratic police state. And I do believe the Trump administration and the people who handle him want The US to be the hub of this. So we are gonna be the data center capital of the entire world, and they wanna use that to process and essentially dominate geopolitics for the next one hundred years. First, it was the the dollar, then it was the petrodollar.
• 37:13
  Now it's gonna be whatever their new digital currency is. You've talked extensively about this on your program, which is one of the reasons you're one of my favorites. But what do you make of what do you make of Trump and the emergence of Trump and the the cult like following of this man and his administration, the stickiness of this guy who somehow can can shoot someone in the face on 5th Avenue, and his base will still still support him, someone who can betray every single promise that he has made to MAGA and to MAHA and to these support groups, yet still command this allegiance and this support. I do believe he still completely commands the the majority of right wing news media. Very, you know, very few out there.
• 38:06
  Tucker Carlson, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Tom Massey, and just a few others have now come out and, like, will really critique him. But, you know, what do you say to that? Because that's been one of the most amazing phenomenons I've witnessed in my entire life is is the emergence of Trump, the polarizing nature of everything that he does, and the way that he seems to be moving us now into that new world order while right wing conservatives and republicans are clapping and cheering. It just blows my mind, but I'm very curious as to your thoughts on that.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: Well, I think so I'll I'll go off on a few little stories and tangents to bring us into this central point. You know, one thing that we mentioned the MK Ultra, which we'll get into, right? There's a few reasons why I became so fascinated with that. One of the bigger ones being is that it gives you a window when you start interviewing, you start talking to the people that came out of that system. You're not gonna find the people that defected from the system.
• 39:09
  It's very hard to find the people that were, say, very, very high level in this system, that were the billionaire class, that are part of that elite system. If they step outside of it, they're killed. It's it's very difficult for them to, but you can through the people that were the children that were born into it, that were inside of the the the dark underground tunnels, whether it's under the Vatican or, you know, under different facilities underneath Disneyland, etcetera, you start to see a window into this. And when you start to understand that window and start to see that system of control, you know, I use the, the analogy or the reference to the Plato's allegory of the cave, which is the people in the cave and they're all convinced the cave is all there is, and they're all staring at the wall and they're using the elites or the controllers are using the little puppets and shadows and the fire to create the shadows on the wall and everyone perceives that to be reality when in fact that there's actually this whole world outside the cave. But if you try to go go to the outside world, they think that you're batshit crazy.
• 40:10
  Excuse my language. Right? They think that you're just right? They think that you're you're just you're completely nuts for thinking outside of the idea outside the idea of the cave. And I think that the more I've dug into it, the more I've realized that almost everything that we see around us in the bigger elements of society, these are carefully constructed shadows.
• 40:32
  Whether you're looking at big pharma, the educational system, social media companies, big tech, the government, social movements, these are very carefully orchestrated aspects of social engineering, fear campaigns, etcetera. And so if you look at the just the detail and the intricacy of the social engineering, there's a lot of things. And this brings us to Trump is because they understand human behavior to a degree that very few of us plebs ever will. Mean, you go into the Tavistock Institute, you go into Operation Paperclip, mean this is, they're building upon centuries of knowledge. And not just knowledge of basic humans, you know, psychology and how the brain works and you know, going back into say, you know, different experiments they've done, but also knowledge has been hidden from us, knowledge of how the body works on a spiritual level, knowledge of you know ancient history or technology that's been hidden from us.
• 41:28
  And so they, their toolbox that they're going from is infinitely larger and more profound in many ways than what we have access to, and they've used that to trap us in this world. And so when you're looking at that, you're looking at the the behavior, the social engineering, and as we kind of come into Trump, now that I've taken now that I'm at where I am right now, and I can look back at, say, the past ten to fifteen years, and I can look at it objectively, and look at it in a way that I'm not afraid of admitting where I was wrong. I'm not and this is a this is a key, Is that they know that human beings are plagued by this thing called cognitive dissonance or normalcy bias. Right. We don't we don't want to accept or embrace oops.
• 42:17
  I suppose my digital background's okay. We're going black. I'm building my new studio, so
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: I've So got my digital version This is bringing back to, like, old PBS where they used to sit around the table and, smoke cigarettes and like
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Exactly. So I'm in the cave now.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Right. Right. No. It's fine.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: Well, my last name is Whole House, so maybe my ancestors came from the caves. We'll never know. But the thing is is that as I've I've called into dissonance, you know, they they know that as human beings that this isn't our our in place. This is a very transitory place. This is not our in home.
• 42:54
  Right? This is just we're here as human beings for this life, and then we have something else after. Mhmm. And but this is a world of illusion. This is a world we don't know the truth, and they they they they've really helped to create that.
• 43:06
  But it wasn't just that the elites created a world of illusion. I think that this realm was created as a world of illusion. They can part because it's a place for us to be tested and to be, you know, it's like, do you believe in God? But you can't see God. You can't see angels.
• 43:18
  You can't see demons. So do you just become atheist and you disindulge in pleasures of the flesh? Or do you have faith? And do you still hold true to your virtues even amidst a very dark and demonic onslaught all around you? But I think that, I think though that when you're looking at the social engineering of this, that they understand that we want to hold on to things that we believe to be true and stable.
• 43:45
  Okay. The sun comes up every day and it goes down at night. Right. We have four seasons where we live, you know, so they know that human beings need to have this, this structure of consistency that allows us to operate every day. And so they also know that for a lot of people, if you tell them that the world around you that you grew up thinking was real is actually much of it is an illusion.
• 44:12
  If you tell them, you know, even Dolly Parton, I did a whole show on her. I didn't come out and say she's a satanist, but I was talking about she has a lot of aspects of her life that show, you know, kinda ties to Masonic stuff, involvement. And I mean, there's it's obvious. And I had certain people that were so angry in my comments. How dare how dare you second guess my idol Dolly Parton?
• 44:33
  Wow. It's like, well, can you take a step back and realize that maybe she was part of that system? I mean, she's worth $500,000,000. I mean, she was bumping elbows with all the key people that are part of this class. And so they understand that we do have that that normalcy bias, which is that because things have always been this way, they must always be that way in the future.
• 44:53
  And that's what makes it difficult for a lot of people to see outside of how they view things. And it's also it's a scary journey, right? It is it's a scary process to realize that so much of these structures around you, were were built by very, very evil people. And they were built, whether it's say you're a big Beatles fan, and you start you learn about the Tavistock Institute, I go, my goodness. That was a giant social engineering campaign for the British Crown and the intelligence agencies to destroy the culture in America.
• 45:21
  It's like, I love the Beatles. Right? So we we have to be able to
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: Like, we imprint on people. They use, I think, repetition, and they use very sophisticated ways of developing a relationship with a group of people so that we imprint. And what I saw with and I don't know why so here's the thing about me. I've never been a fangirl ever, ever. So all my friends are like, oh, Tiffany, let's go to the mall.
• 45:49
  Oh, Debbie Gibson and New Kids on the Block, and let's go to the concerts. And I'm like, are you kidding me? Like, even as a young kid, I was like, I wouldn't stand in line for five minutes for anyone but Jesus Christ. Like, that's it. You know what I mean?
• 46:01
  Like, there's I just have never it's just not built into my nature. And so when I was trying to figure out what is this allure of Donald Trump, like, what is it that that that, you know, entered him into the conversation in a moment when people were well, and I I think I figured it out. People were desperate for someone who was going to acknowledge the way that they felt about things in the world in that time. And I think that so many my family members, friends, colleagues were coming out of the Obama administration just beaten and hammered, and they articulate the things that they wanted to articulate about what was going on in the world. And we were so conditioned to fear Democrats, like fear Democrats and liberals.
• 46:50
  And that it was like the moment he came on the stage and said all the things that everyone knew was true about the GOP, but all the things that everyone knew was true about the left. It was like a moment of truth where people imprinted on him and were like, it was over. And I think it was so emotional for them. And it was built on so much fear. And then also just the apparatus around him.
• 47:13
  Rush Limbaugh went all in. And then Mark Levin went all in, and then Fox News went all in. And it was like one after another after another, people ignored his entire history as a liberal Democrat. But the people they trusted were now saying, Well, we trust him. So speaking about layers of sophistication, I think I mean, when I look back on it, I thought this is this is the most sophisticated operation I've ever seen in my life.
• 47:39
  From the bots and the trolls on social media, Facebook, and Twitter, like, was it was astonishing to me how they were able to pull that off. Like the guy who grabs women by the you know what, who was a pro choice, New York City liberal Democrat, they just recreated him in the image of what they thought conservative Republicans wanted him to be. But to your point, it's sophisticated, and that's the point. That's I mean, that's how they trick so many people. Do you think that's breaking?
• 48:10
  Do you think that Americans are Democrat and Republican breaking out of that to a sense to a certain extent right now, or do we have some time to go before people start to really see through some of these manipulations?
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: I do think it's breaking. Yeah. I do think that, there are a lot of people that are politically homeless now that now look at this they look at the the two party system as two wings of the same bird. Mhmm. And, but then, you know, because we're getting into into Trump, right?
• 48:45
  Because so my my podcast, I got my start because Donald Trump shared one of my videos. The very first video I made, the plot to seal America, was about the election. Wow. And so I have to you know, I owe Trump credit for that. I I I'm eternally grateful for him for opportunity.
• 49:02
  He pinned my video to the top of his Twitter feed, right, with 90,000,000 followers. He uploaded yeah. And literally, his team took took the my video that I made. They uploaded it directly to the Trump, YouTube channel, directly to the Trump, Facebook channel, directly to the Trump Twitter, you know, channels. So I think it was maybe, you know, one of the most ever viewed political videos ever.
• 49:26
  I mean, I think got hundreds of millions of views because of that. And that's what started my career. And so I again, I'm not gonna take away from my my gratitude for that. However, that doesn't mean that I'm just gonna be a fanboy and only only worship this guy. And so I think that I think that, you know, one of the MK Ultra victims that I I interviewed, she was talking about how they love using the savior complex.
• 49:46
  It's they know that humans a lot of humans are always looking for the savior to come in and save them. And so, you know, what I think with with in looking at Trump is that I think it was actually I think from the from the very beginning, it was it was engineered. I think that the Obama and and the just what as you mentioned, what Obama did to a lot of people in this country, especially the conservatives, right, the people that, you know, maybe they kind of really lost hope after Bush and all the forever wars, and Obama comes in. It's just like but you also had I think that you had this growing emergence of people that started seeing through the system. They started understanding that there was this Epstein class.
• 50:25
  Right? I mean, I learned about Epstein, you know, back in 2012, I think, first discovered Epstein. Then my wife now, who we weren't we weren't married then, she was telling me, she called me up one time, we're we're just good friends, and she was telling me about Epstein Island and, the Podestas and this artwork, it was it was sickening. Yeah. And so I think that but what what Trump did though is that you started to have this group of people that started understanding the system, and that was me.
• 50:53
  I had started understanding the system, so I think that what Trump, what he did when he came in is, and I can say for me, I genuinely believe that he was coming from outside of the system.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: I thought that somehow that, you know, through the white hats, you know, and Q, I think, is a central part of this whole thing, which I'm happy to talk about that too. Totally. Is that I is that I think that I really believe that if you look at the some of the things that he was talking about, even when the one of the interviewers on CNN, wherever they asked him, they were kinda saying, hey. Your some of your followers think that there's this, you know, cabal of people that are pedophiles and whatever. And he was, like, kind of, like, well, is that a bad thing to get rid of people like that?
• 51:32
  He he kinda acknowledged it. There's so much about what he said that I think very intentionally made you believe this guy was gonna come in. He was going to drain the swamp. He was going to go after the cabal. He was going to pull us out of the the British crown, the bay elite banking system, and he said all the right things.
• 51:52
  And I think that that was plain I think even the media attacks, like, looking back in hindsight
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: Totally.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: I think that all the times that these media would just attack him nonstop nonstop, I think that that was part of the social engineering program because what that did is that when someone when you have someone you think is your hero that can come in and help you and maybe finally have a billionaire that's gonna come in and stand on the side of of we the people Right. Where we're so used to all the elites, either George Soros', you know, all the Bill Gates, it all going towards these liberal and progressive policies. Mhmm. You finally have this billionaire stepping into the ring that's talking about the constitution that's got the 1776 report coming out. And I think that what it did is it got a lot of people that I think had really given up on politics and it sucked them right back in.
• 52:38
  Reengage. And then you bring then you bring in Q, which, know, you know, I I know general Flynn quite well. I've talked to him numerous times, you know, behind closed doors, and he's told me over and over again, Q is a psychological operation. You know, he's told me over and over again, he's it's a SIOP. It's it's it's meant it's Operation Trust two point o.
• 52:56
  And I think that then you look at Q, which when that first, when those drops are emerging, I was following them. I was reading books on it and I was like, oh, this is really interesting. And you have all these these kind of, confirmations of, you know, Trump saying something with the rabbit on stage that correlates to a drop. You're like, oh my gosh, this is this is real stuff. Right.
• 53:14
  So I remember that. I think that even more so, it's like of the you know, if you look at the sociological makeup, you look at the the people across the country, it's not like that that they're just targeting the far left and some of the right. The the engineers are looking at every single slice of demographic in our nation and around the world, and they're they're saying, how can we capture every single slice? And so I think that Q was brought out to make sure they could capture the people that were the most likely to become the resistance to a tyrannical system. And somehow, I mean, you look at objectively, it was absolutely brilliant.
• 53:51
  Now whether it was CIA, whether it was Mossad, I don't know who's ultimately behind it. I suspect it's alphabet agencies maybe using some sort of early AI and and predictive technology and how they built it. But what they did though is that they took the people that would have been the first people to raise up the pitchforks and say, the whole system needs to burn to the ground, and somehow they turn those people into the most politically active class of people we've probably ever seen in the history of our country. Right. People getting tattoos of stuff, people going to rallies, people worshiping this guy.
• 54:23
  And and so, you know, and I so again again, I genuinely thought that Trump was coming in and that he was going to fix this system. And then Joe Biden got in, and there were all these theories. Oh, he's he's letting Biden expose himself. They're wearing masks. All these theories.
• 54:40
  There's devolution happening. You know, I I say devolution hard. I interviewed John Harrold multiple times on devolution, the continuity of government. And I thought, okay. There's a lot of there's a lot of truth to this.
• 54:51
  And it really, for me though, it was watching, it was one of the big things for me was, I think it was like his second day in his most recent term, when he comes on the stage with Larry Ellison, Sam Altman, and a few other people. Like, now we're gonna be putting $500,000,000,000 into data centers, into AI driven rapid rapid vaccine development. Right. It's just like, well, hold on. This is what's coming.
• 55:22
  And so, you know, and for me that was one of the key points where I'm like, I am no longer just kind of, not because I blindly thinking, but I still had this hope in me that maybe there was a force that was going to fix all this stuff. But actually what I think, I think that the role that he's played, again, is taking that group of people, getting them back involved in politics, getting them worshiping everything that he does, getting them doesn't matter what he does, there's some people that will say like, he could as you mentioned, he could literally shoot someone in the face, and people would say, oh, it's part of the plan. He's doing it to expose the bad people. Right? Yeah.
• 55:58
  Know, the operation warp speed. He never said you had to take the vaccine. He mentioned hydroxychloroquine. Well, yeah, but you know, I have I have family that are strong conservatives that have health issues or that may have died because they followed his advice on this. They said, oh, he was preventing their lockdowns.
• 56:13
  He was gonna prevent us all dying in the lockdowns. He had to put a vaccine out there. I'm seeing excuse after excuse after excuse, but when I look at it objectively, what I've what I'm seeing is that even before the inauguration, you had big tech all aligning around Trump. Right? And big tech, if you look at the the fundamentals, whether it's Elon Musk or Peter Thiel, Alex Karp, you look at a lot of these people, and J.
• 56:35
  D. Vance, by way of Peter Thiel
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: Right? They are technocrats. You dig into technocracy, you get into Curtis Yarvin, you get into some of the philosophies of technology, you start tracing it back to the thirties, you start tracing it back into the trilateral commission, to Brzezinski, to David Rockefeller. You can see it is the same continual plan that started a 100 ago. Yeah.
• 56:57
  And I think that, as much as I hate to say it, I think that Trump has been a key part in the accelerationism and how under Trump, we are now having the rapid rollout of the infrastructure to build to turn America into a digital gulag. And I can't ignore that. I can no longer look at that. And that's not even getting into how he treated his Epstein stuff by saying that anybody who believed in Epstein was no longer one of his followers, by by mocking us for that. I mean, there's there's layer after layer of it.
• 57:31
  And and so all this together, it just got me to a point where it's like, I'm actually very, very grateful to Trump because Trump has shown me that I cannot trust the political system. Yeah. And he he I I say it's like, thank you, Trump, for doing that. You have you have broken the spell on me. Right?
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: He's broken the spell. Every every semblance of of linkage has been broken. And listen. I mean, I don't disagree with you. This is why, you know, I the highly intelligent, highly, you know, successful people in my life, people who I love, who are amazing people, have been some of of the most ardent supporters of Trump.
• 58:18
  And I would be beating my head against the like, I mean, from day I don't know why I'm afflicted with this. But from day one, I was like, this guy like, this guy's a Trojan horse, people. Come on. You know? Like, I didn't and I don't know why, but it's like but I have a lot of respect for it.
• 58:34
  It is why I don't I'm not mad at MAGA people. I'm not mad at a MAGA person anytime they wake up because I appreciate what you just explained right there, how insanely corrupt and sophisticated the process was of grooming an entire nation, an entire subset of a nation into becoming almost cult worshipers of him. And there are different levels of that, but it's just crazy. I mean, for me, I saw the biggest change. It was the technocracy at the beginning.
• 59:09
  It was launching the war in Iran. It was suppressing the release of the Epstein files. And then it was the variety of ways that he has and an extension of him through Bobby Kennedy Jr. Had betrayed MAHA or the medical freedom So I think it's the convergence of all of those things that is confusing to people right now, but I think we're just in this process of kind of understanding where we're at. And I think that's why now they're beginning to set up this new independent apparatus.
• 59:44
  All of a sudden, there are tons of independents out there popping up out of nowhere, calling out the uni party and all the things. And I'm like, okay. Here we go again. You know, if if we're gonna create new heroes and a new party and, you know, in this rigged system. So I'm ready for it.
• 1:00:02
  I don't know if you if if you are as well, but but you gotta respect their game. Right? I mean You do. Gotta respect their game because
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: Even Elon Musk. Yeah. Another perfect example. Right? Mean Major.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: That he comes in. Oh my gosh. The you know, allegedly the richest person on earth on paper, though I don't believe that. I think the richest people on earth will even know their names or they're these families that we're not allowed to talk about. Right.
• 1:00:28
  But either way, he comes out and he's got his dark MAGA hat on. He's got Doge going on. But then even Elon Musk, you start looking into him. It's like, you know, most will know by now that his grandfather was one of the heads of the the Tectocratic Party in Canada. Yep.
• 1:00:41
  Alright? And and so even if you remember when a Elon Musk was talking about forming a third party, he was talking about forming the America party. One of his advisers on forming the America party was a guy named Curtis Yarvin. Oh So Curtis Yarvin is the philosopher of the technocrats. If you read some of his writings, he he wants to dissolve the constitution and bring in basically a corporate monarchy.
• 1:01:01
  Yet, this is a guy that Elon Musk wants to form the form the America party with. Right? And and Elon Musk with his dark MAGA, which I think was a was a hat tip to the dark enlightenment, which is kind of really summarizing a lot of what Curtis Jarvan's beliefs are on how to basically transform into America, a technocratic, you know, society. Yeah. And so again, and all these people are like, my gosh, Elon is is great.
• 1:01:24
  Oh, you know, his bath in that thing that he's wearing, he's just he's just trolling people. Right? And it's like, where's your discernment? Right? And then you have these these same people, the same people that question every single element of government.
• 1:01:37
  They question you know, they think that George Floyd was a SIOP. They think this is they think JFK was a SIOP. But all of a sudden now, nope. Tyler Robinson killed Charlie Kirk, and if you question it, you're attacking a sad widow. It's like, hold on.
• 1:01:50
  How did you all of a sudden go from questioning everything the alpha agencies have ever done to just becoming a mouthpiece for them. And that's that's even part of it. It's like, it doesn't matter who killed Charlie mean, course, it matters who killed Charlie Kirk, but the fundamental thing is is how did you go to just becoming a lapdog for the system? And it's shocking, and I think it's captured a lot of people, but I do think, as you mentioned, I think that it's breaking. I think that there's a lot of people that are seeing through things, and, so I'm kind of watching to see what is the next thing, Right?
• 1:02:26
  Because they know it's gonna break. Right? I think they've already war gamed these things out. Sure. And so I'm just just, yeah, just just trying to be discerning and Yeah.
• 1:02:36
  Watching for the next game, next plan in their playbook.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: Well, one of the things I love about you, Seth, and, again, Man in America, follow him on Twitter at Man in America. Support him on his at his website, which is maninamerica.com. You know, all of these dark things, they don't result in you losing hope or rejecting your faith or sticking your head in the sand or just declaring everything a black pill and exiting the system. You talk with your audience every day about building resiliency and emancipating and creating a safety net outside of these systems in preparation for what you believe is coming and I believe is coming as well. And you have the ARC program that I'd love to talk to you a little bit about when when we you know, after we talk about the MK Ultra.
• 1:03:32
  And what I think is when you think about what is behind all of this. Right? You look at Trump as a construct, the Democrat party as a construct, the Republican party as a construct, you know, certain elements of left wing and right wing news media, all these layers of constructs that create the reality, of of what we're supposed to believe today. The the question is always like, well, how do they how does like, this is a grand plan. How do you keep everyone in line?
• 1:04:02
  How is it that everyone's on the same page? How is it that you're rolling this out and making this happen? And that is a sophisticated discussion as well of how you use groups and society and institutions and individuals to keep us all kind of in line. You really begin to I mean, it's brilliant or demonic. And I think where we're going is demonic, right?
• 1:04:24
  There is, I'm a believer and I do get the sense that whatever is empowering these institutions, the families, the people who are pulling the strings on people like Elon Musk and Donald Trump and Barack Obama and Bill and Hillary Clinton and the power structures in The UK and in Canada and all these things. What is behind that? And then you get into the Federal Reserve and the international bankers, but who's controlling them? And then you get deeper and you talk about families. Austin Fitz calls it intergenerational, international pools of capital, these kind of competing forces.
• 1:05:11
  But she's also said that she believes they're drawing on darkness, on dark power. And I agree with her. Right? Epstein for me Epstein for me was all of these stories about MK Ultra and mind control and ritual sexual child abuse and the tunnels under Disneyland and the tunnels in Hollywood and the tunnels in New York City. And all these things are just too fantastical for me to even fathom.
• 1:05:36
  I haven't done a whole lot of it on my show because it's so dark and and so demonic in nature that you don't wanna believe. You don't wanna believe that that is the power structure behind so many of the power players that we are are front facing with on a daily basis. And this is why I really respect you and your series on MK Ultra, interviewing some of the highest profile victims and children who are abused within that program of MK Ultra. To me, it's the only way you can explain some of this. It's the only way that you can explain a government that deploys kill protocols of mass injection, that kills people on COVID floors for money and tricks people, doctors and nurses, into doing it, thinking that they're actually helping and saving people.
• 1:06:30
  Like only a demonic force can call the murder of a baby in the most sacred protected place, a mother's womb, and call that women's health. Right? And it's so dark that seeing the apparatus come around and protect the Epstein clients and suppress what was really going on there when we were so close to getting to the truth and a lot of that is like, okay. Now I'm ready to have this conversation about MK-Ultra because nothing else explains I mean, this is so evil and so wicked. Nothing else can explain how they maintain that control, like how they maintain that control.
• 1:07:11
  I think that's what you kind of delved into. So I'll shut up now, and And maybe you can just freely speak about why you decided to run the series and conduct these interviews. Just so everyone knows, the series is called Survivor Stories. It was an interview series in which self identified survivors of the CIA, MK-Ultra, and related trauma based programming gave long form interviews with you. You interviewed J.
• 1:07:38
  R. Sweet and Kathy O'Brien, Annika Lucas, Max Lowen, and Doctor. Julia Engel. And some of these testimonies and these interviews will I mean, was hard for me to listen. But I think that it's very important to understand this program or even, you know, it's even bigger than just what people know of as MK-Ultra.
• 1:08:04
  So why don't I shut up and let you kind of explain to the audience why you did it, what you learned, what you took away from that, and where we go from here once we begin to acknowledge and accept some of these very difficult, dark, dark truths?
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: Sure. Sure. Well, just to frame this to start, I'm a really positive person. I'm a really optimistic person. And if you know me outside of the studio, it's the same behavior.
• 1:08:34
  I'm always smiling, I'm optimistic. Yet, I've delved into some of the darkest things that you could imagine. And I think that it's like, well, how do you maintain that? It's like, well, me, if I've gone through this process of realizing it, so much of what's around me is fake, and not as fake, but actually it's evil. Yeah.
• 1:08:54
  Then I want to destroy that stuff. I want to take a sledgehammer to it, and I want to stop believing in it because I want to focus on what's real. Yeah. And that's what this has done for me. That's why I I feel such a sense of peace because if all this is if all this is fake, if the government is fake, if this is what if it's if it's all fake and evil, then what hope is there?
• 1:09:14
  Your family Mhmm. Your children, your your wife, your community, your own faith. And that's what's kept me going and and because I that's what's real.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: And I feel like that that's what they've done is they've tried so hard to convince us that the theater is real, but it's not. And the theater is almost everything we see built around us and it's scary to come to the place where you realize that all that stuff is just a construct. It's just a shadow on the wall, but it's also freeing. Because if you if there were 10 major parts of your life that were a lie, would you want would you want us to keep believing that they're lies or would you want someone to say, hey, Sorry, Shannon. Those 10 things are a lie, but these 10 things are the truth.
• 1:10:00
  You might say, okay. Well, I'm gonna focus on those 10 things that are the truth. Yeah. So that's one thing. And that's how that's kind of that's how I've been able to walk through some of these dark caverns and still come out on the other side.
• 1:10:12
  But, yeah, some of the I mean, the reason why I started doing the MK Ultra interviews I've been I mean, I've been following it for quite some time and researching it for quite some time. Mhmm. Is because you start to understand that that's where the control mechanisms come. And some of the guests that I've talked about, when they've they've shared some of their insights, it's they've been some of the most enlightening conversations I've ever had in terms of understanding how this world works, understanding how this system works, understanding that, there's a handful of the guests that, you know, there's one woman in particular, Max Lowen, and from a very, very early age, she was trafficked under the Vatican. And she said there was a underneath the Vatican, and there was deep tunnels that were connecting to a Jesuit kind of military facility, where they did a lot of human, experimentation.
• 1:10:58
  I mean, and once you start getting into trauma based mind control, you get into satanic ritual abuse, you know, the generational effect this has on people getting into dissociation, and how a child that they can break the child's mind at a very early age becomes a very powerful tool for them. And then you start getting into the child abuse. You also start to understand as Max Sloan was talking about, so well who's, I was like, who's at the top of this? And she goes, it's just, it's evil. She goes, at the very top of this, you've got basically people that are communicating with demons, with, you know, very, very dark experience, perhaps Satan himself or some of his minions.
• 1:11:39
  And and they're doing these things to receive their instruction, to, to receive their their insight. And that's ultimately it's like for a believer, you realize it's like you acknowledge that, yeah, Satan has dominion over this plane at this time in history. And so does it does it surprise you that there's this cabal of Satanists that run the world?
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: It's like, no. It should make sense. It should help you feel like, oh, now I understand why the world is so screwed up because our world's run by Satanists that want to depopulate us and they want to eat our children and, you know, etcetera. And so, but it's I think that when when you face these things and and, you know, kind of going back to some of the interviews that I've had, there there there's some there's some very difficult interviews that I've had, you know, because hearing these people, especially JR Sweet. JR Sweet was what the what I think the first one that I did.
• 1:12:33
  And he's still he's in a very different place than say Kathy O'Brien. Kathy O'Brien has really spent a couple of decades healing. You know, she was sold into the CIA at a very young age. Her father was caught, creating pornographic material. Her father abused her from infancy, and he was arrested for he was caught sending pornographic material with his own daughter.
• 1:12:55
  And they basically said, we can arrest you or you can hand over your daughter. And so he basically sold his daughter off to the CIA. So from very, very young age, she was put into the CIA.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: That's kind of how it could happen. Right? They get they catch people in vulnerable positions who might be facing, know, a hundred years in prison or whatever. Right? And then they make deals with them, and then the children are the currency.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: There's that. There's also a lot of children, and I'm asking Max Sloan about this, that they seek out children from particular bloodlines.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: And this is a key because and I asked, well, why is that? Because they're looking for children that have almost like a stronger spiritual potency. Mhmm. You know, children that would have actually become very powerful good forces. And so they're seeking those out to use them and to corrupt them.
• 1:13:47
  Okay.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: So How do they know what the bloodlines are? I mean, I've fast I've heard I've heard and and seen discussion about certain bloodlines. How do they how do they know? Is do they have do they have secret access to all of this? Like,
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: I suspect it that they that they they're tracing family lineage. Okay. I I suspect that they've got maybe they've got huge databases and they're tracking these things and they're finding the right ones. Wow. And so, but yeah, I mean, it's, you know, I don't want to get into the details of it.
• 1:14:19
  Mean, some of the stuff, especially, know, JR Sweet, and I'll just kind of share one of the stories that he shared with me. Mean, goes in, so he was brought into Disneyland a lot out in California. I think it was Disney World, I think it was a California one, Anaheim.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: And, you know, from a very, very young age, he was taken to Disneyland multiple times, and he said there's an entire facility underneath Disneyland where he would go. And a quick caveat for people that think, okay, this is just too fantastical. It's too crazy. Yeah. Do your own research.
• 1:14:53
  Right? This is this is what this person told me. This is his alleged story. So I'll just kinda give that disclaimer out there because some people are like, there's no way this is true. But then if you start looking at the, again, we're talking about, how detailed these layers of things are, it's like, Okay, they could do what they want to.
• 1:15:08
  But one thing that he was referring, what he was telling me about was the hunting parties. And it's that you you hear about. There's a black there's a black forest over in Europe, where they have these hunting parties. And I've had multiple guests that that were I interviewed that had been in these hunting parties. And basically, what they what JR Sweet described to me, he was on a very wealthy politician's ranch, and they they they said they're gonna take him out and go coon hunting.
• 1:15:34
  And so, he and his brother, they put him in a pickup truck and they drove them out to this very large estate. But what was interesting is that the estate had, like a barb wired fence, and when they're pulling up to it, it was armed guards to even get into the estate, which didn't really make sense to him. Right. And so, what they did is they brought all these children there, and they had maybe a dozen or so children. They had all these wealthy politicians.
• 1:16:01
  You know, I'm not gonna name the exact names because I don't want get it wrong and misaccused. But a lot of politicians that we know the names of, very famous people. I mean, Dick Cheney, I'll get to Dick Cheney in a second here with JR Sweet. But they basically, they say they had a dozen children. Some of these children are, he said, were from the very, very, very famous bloodlines.
• 1:16:20
  Hilton bloodline, Ford bloodlines. He just so happened to be part of one of the bloodlines that was a protected bloodline. But they also then they bring in the children that are just the orphans, the children that are just used and discarded. So what he described is So there
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: are different versions of children. They have children that they want to ritually traumatize and abuse for the purposes of elevating them, putting them into positions of power so that they can be controlled. And then there are other children that are simply there to be
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: Disposable.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: Disposable. Unbelievable. Okay. Yeah. So that would make that was something that I didn't understand before this, that okay.
• 1:17:00
  I'm I'm sorry. Didn't mean to to cut you off, but
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: That's okay. No. No. Please jump in as you as you need to. And so basically what he explained is that they took, say, they say was a dozen children or so.
• 1:17:11
  They have, you know, maybe there's six or eight or so older men all with their hunting shotguns and they're they're in their hunting outfits. They make all the children strip, and then they just tell them to run into the woods, and they hunt the children. He said that there were these two young girls that were beside him, one girl I think was an orphan, a younger one, that he, they just said run and so they're running. He described in vivid detail this process of just run, run, and they run into the woods and they they're then they're being hunted. And he described in one in one in particular, there's a girl that she ran a little bit, she fell down, twisted her ankle, was just crying.
• 1:17:49
  And he said, get up, get up, get up. He took her into the woods. They got to the edge of a pond, and right next to him, right next to him, this young orphan girl, he saw her shot, you know, hitting hitting it in the chest with probably a high caliber rifle. And he said they would also then have black helicopters. He said this is part of the programming, is that they'd also have the black helicopters, these military, smaller black helicopters flying over the woods looking for them.
• 1:18:17
  And so they're run but see, they don't know that they don't know that they're protected. So, they're seeing these children right next to them being shot by these men and being hunted. And but they don't realize that they're not going to be because they're chosen to be part of the bloodline to be, you know, kind of turned into he he ended up being turned into a CIA, or so he was an MK-Ultra assassin. Was a sleeper assassin, was what he was turned he was groomed into. And, he said that after, after they finished this, the children that survived, other children were killed and just left in the woods, to rot.
• 1:18:51
  They put them in the back of the pickup truck, he said they took him back to the hunting lodge, he and his brother, they and this is graphic, so I'll just give a quick disclaimer that if you have children around, don't listen to this. He and his brother were raped by the hunting dogs. So, they were raped by the dogs. Then they were forced to then shower, they took him home and had dinner back at home with grandma, and they weren't allowed to talk to it. They weren't allowed to talk about it.
• 1:19:20
  Then so as he got older, so JR Sweet, as he got older, because his uncle was part of the intelligence agencies, think his uncle was CIA, and his, maybe his father and his grandfather was also very high up in the CIA. And as he got older, he exhibited a strong ability in different things. And so he was slated to become a sleeper assassin. And so he said that he was, I think he was 17 years old, he was working a furniture job, he was working a delivery truck for a furniture, company that actually he found it was owned by the network. Basically, discovered these things are owned by the network.
• 1:19:59
  And in his last day of the job, he was, taken for the last delivery, it was a bar. And he told me this distinctly, he said that he actually didn't want to enter the bar because the bar had a sign on the outside that says, you cannot enter if you're under if you're 21. But because he was so programmed to follow instructions, he said, can't enter, I'm under 21. They said, no, it's okay because it's part of the job. And so he went back, they took him in the back room and Dick Cheney was in one of the back rooms.
• 1:20:26
  Oh my word. And they brought in, they brought in a girl that was his high school sweetheart, and they put her on her knees in front of him, and they handed him a gun, and he executed her. That was, they forced him actually, they gave him the option to, and Dick Cheney was the person that handed him the gun.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: Oh, my
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: word. And and so he executed her. He shot her in the head in this back room of this bar, and that was his test to then qualify for the Pentagon Black Op, Black Ops operations. Dick Cheney was the person he said that was the he again, this is all alleged, so take do what you will with it. But what he said was that Dick Cheney was the person that he was the guy that was that would give final approval for these people entering into the Pentagon level black ops.
• 1:21:13
  And so then he went to the Pentagon and he trained, he was trained as a sleeper assassin. And so he said that, now the thing is he, what's crazy about this is that immediately after he executed the girl, they they hit him with a stun gun. So he said that the stun guns are very important in wiping memory because they have a way of getting into dissociation when you have this very traumatic event. Say a woman gets in a car accident, she wakes up, she has no memory of the whole car accident. It's because our brain dissociates from these events.
• 1:21:42
  And so that's part of the process of how to create a splintered mind where they can then, they can create literally, you know, Manchurian Candidate where they might have one part of their mind that's literally trained as an assassin, but that part of their mind isn't accessible except via certain triggers, right? Go watch the Manchurian Candidate. It was basically a documentary on this. And so, anyway, so all of these memories though, were wiped. So he eventually left, he got out of it.
• 1:22:11
  And I think he, you know, he went married, he has a family now. And it wasn't until, I think he was in his 30s, he started having these memories. He didn't, he had no idea that any of this existed as a kid. He just it was wiped from his memory. But in his thirties, he started having these flashbacks, and then he then he realized and and, like, I don't know how his wife helped him through this, but he then realized that he was literally a trained sleeper assassin and that he would go around the world and he would execute entire families on behalf of the agencies.
• 1:22:45
  Families, you know, women, children, husbands, like that was part of his his role. And that was how he was used. And so then now he's in his process of healing. And, but that was, that was a really difficult interview for me. I think it was, it was one of the most difficult interviews I've ever done because the pain that he was experiencing was so real.
• 1:23:09
  It was fresh. And you, I mean, if you go back and you watch it, it was, you can't, you couldn't fake it. Mean, could see, and you know how it is, even over Zoom or over, you can still connect with somebody and like, was, because he was just starting this process of healing and journaling and going through that process of this, and I think I was one of the first kind of longer form interviews like this that he had done. Wow. And, oh my gosh, like I, for probably a whole week after that, it just, it really, really stuck with me.
• 1:23:45
  Sorry, it's even recalling it is is stirring things up.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: It it's it's a horrifying thing to conceive of a horrifying reality to even to even suggest. And, you know, it's interesting that see, the thing for me is that so many of their stories are similar. There are certain themes that that are very similar. And even in discussions of child sex trafficking rings that emerge and that are shut down or that people find out about, like you still see the same themes of family intergenerational. When you abuse one generation, they will abuse the next generation.
• 1:24:36
  That generation will abuse the next generation. And some of these stories are fantastical. Like you just cannot even fathom. I mean, the Chaney's have been consistently identified as involved in some of this. The Bush's have been implicated.
• 1:24:51
  The Clintons have been implicated in some of the accounts that I have heard over the years. But my question for you is if these people like, it and I don't want to discount their stories. Right? If they're if they're giving these testimonies, you want them to be able be able to give their testimonies. But if they have been so abused and so subjected to mind control and in such a disassociated stage throughout their life, could they be recalling things that maybe were planted into them that didn't happen?
• 1:25:24
  Or could they be bringing up, or could they still be being used by that same apparatus? And I'm not questioning that the abuse didn't happen because, again, since Epstein and this is what I have said to my audience. Since Epstein this the thing about Epstein is that our society, our government, the Democrat party, the Republican party, law enforcement, we have all collectively acknowledged that Jeffrey Epstein and Jalen Maxwell facilitated child rape. They no one disputes that. None of that is in dispute.
• 1:26:01
  There there were victims. There were multiple victims. But the men who raped the children or the women who raped the children that were provided to them by Jeffrey Epstein and Jolene Maxwell don't get prosecuted. Their names don't get released. All the documentation is there, all of the horrifying things.
• 1:26:22
  And I don't buy that it was 15 year old girls. I think that there are probably very young children, boys and girls, and I think the nature of the abuse is probably worse than any of us could ever imagine given given the scope of this investigation. So understanding that, that it's not disputed. This is common knowledge today in The United States Of America. We accept it.
• 1:26:43
  Yet the apparatus continues to suppress that. I have said to my audience, nothing would surprise me. Nothing. There's not a single story that you could tell or that could be retold by someone like JR Sweet or Kathy O'Brien that I wouldn't be able to say, well, I I can conceive of that happening because the level of wickedness is just so pervasive, and we know it's here. But I do find it you know, it's difficult because of that level of trauma to say, well, maybe they're maybe that was planted in them, maybe it didn't really happen, maybe it was suggested to them, and now they're being used to make the story seem so fantastical that no one people will be like, you're crazy.
• 1:27:25
  I'm crazy, all the things. I mean, this is where my mind goes. Like, how do you grapple with that? Like, the credibility of some of these sources given the level of abuse that they've been exposed to. Can we trust their minds to reconstruct and create these circumstances?
• 1:27:41
  And I'm not saying that to be a jerk, I'm just wondering kind of what you think about that.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: No, I think it's a really important question. And I think it's a question that everyone should always have, right? We talked about earlier, you know, following intuition. And I think that there's absolutely a possibility that some of these people have implanted memories. Right?
• 1:27:58
  I would say absolutely. I mean, that's exactly what they're able to do. Now, I think that when you get a chance to stand and talk to someone like that, as I did, and you can hear and you can feel it coming out, it's real. Now granted they could have an implanted memory that feels as real as yesterday did. Now with JR for instance, so you know, he has particular scars on his body that correlate to this and he said that's actually, so he said as soon as he went in with Dick Cheney, I forgot to mention that, he said Dick Cheney went and looked at something on him and was looking for a particular set of burns on him, cigarette burns that his uncle did to him when he was younger, and those, because those scars become the markers for identifying that person, that's how he described it, and so he had those particular burns.
• 1:28:42
  Wow. He even, he'd found some different documents that were up in his attic that he didn't realize how he'd gotten. He had some documents, he had a signed picture from a famous musician that was given to him that he had no recollection of him even beating with this musician. And then, so then that actually ended up coming out. So I think it's actually, it's not necessarily that it's the the one person's story, it's the pattern that you see across all these people.
• 1:29:09
  Right? So the people I've interviewed, you know, they were in CIA programs in America, they were in programs over in Europe, they were in programs that involved with the Vatican, and programs that were involved with different other regions of Europe that are separate. And so it's but it's the you see that there's the same consistent storyline that matches with all of these people. And that's part of that's also what I try to look for. Try to look for patterns and not specific instances and try to attach those specific instances.
• 1:29:39
  And so that's that's one of the ways I would say. But yeah, you bring up an important point. And I think ultimately, I would say for people, if you're like, I'm not even gonna bother with that, it's probably some made up story. If you have the heart, if you have the backbone, watch the story, watch the interview, and just see what you think on the other side of it. Right.
• 1:30:01
  And make up your own decision. Don't take it as truth. See what your gut tells you on the other side of it. And some people might walk to other side and say, It's too crazy. I refuse to believe it.
• 1:30:10
  But unfortunately, I've just been researching this stuff for so long. Read so many different books and getting into Fritz Sprigmeyer and Bloodlines of the Illuminati, getting into, a lot of this, and you see that, unfortunately, it's you start to feel, it's like a blind man kind of groping an elephant. He starts off with the trunk, he's like, oh, is it a tree or no, it's this, and eventually you feel the whole thing out and you can identify, oh, it's an elephant. And that's how it is, you start slowly, blindly piecing everything together, And when you get to the other side of it, and then you start looking at the Epstein files, you look at, you know, you look at the, you know, Epstein Island, you look how the politicians react to this, you look at Zorro Ranch, you look at John of God and Oprah Winfrey. I mean You look at all this stuff together, and it's hard to then ignore it.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: Well, Tom Massey was instrumental in getting at least the initial release of The Epstein Files. That was a massive undertaking. It was incredibly difficult. And he got taken out. They dumped $30,000,000 in his district.
• 1:31:20
  He had gone up against the president multiple times. He was the only guy in Washington DC on Capitol Hill when they voted to release the funds for COVID lockdowns and, you know, who voted against it. Like, he's been on the wrong side of the uni party and Donald Trump ever, yet it was that one thing that got him completely taken out. Marjorie Taylor Greene included in that. It was her refusal to allow those files to be suppressed that ultimately took her out of her position as well.
• 1:31:54
  So they're clearly, clearly protecting something. And you don't even have to the level of abuse if some of the more horrifying stories, okay, are are implanted memories, you would still have to acknowledge that these children were horrifyingly abused in order to even break their minds to that extent so that those stories are told. Because these aren't actors. I I will say that the the people that you interviewed are not actors. What they're saying is what they believed to have happened to them.
• 1:32:28
  And I think a a a good majority of those stories are probably true. But you can't you can't act. And you know what I mean? That's not, in my opinion, possible to do. I think that that it is it is evidence.
• 1:32:43
  I mean and and when you look at just what our governments do to us, I mean, 250,000,000 Americans shot up with what many of them knew to be a poison shot. And they know it's a poison shot now, and they're continuing to shoot us up. And Donald Trump tells us it's the best thing he ever did. The COVID kill protocols, the way that they send our our men and women into the the human grinder of the war machine in Iraq, in Ukraine, in previous wars. When you look at D Day, when you look at how brazen these leaders are with just crushing human bodies and human souls, and you begin to realize this is all in front of our face.
• 1:33:28
  And we can see it on a daily basis, their disregard for human life. I mean, we think of a young child being hunted in a dark forest by Uber elites, we're like, oh my gosh. That's so terrible. Meanwhile, they're perfectly fine with killing millions of babies every single year as they bow to the altar of the the mandatory vaccine schedule, and they know it. Or if they do know it, they don't care.
• 1:33:49
  Like Bobby Kennedy junior knows what is happening to children every time his CDC and his HHS deploys the CDC recommended child shots. He knows that children are being sacrificed every single day. And somehow he compartmentalizes and convinces himself, well, that's worth it so that I can achieve this agenda. Like, to me, what you're what these people are explaining to you in an interview that happens in the darkness, we're seeing it in the light every day. They're doing it to us as I'm speaking to you today.
• 1:34:26
  And if you can believe that Donald Trump or Bobby Kennedy could do that to so many millions of Americans, then why is it such a stretch to believe that in a clandestine way as they try to keep the infrastructure in place and secure the people who will deploy the next round of this power center. You're like, why would that surprise me? I don't think it should surprise anyone.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, you've got states that will literally take your child away from you if you refuse to allow your child to have their gen their genitalia chopped off.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, so I mean, is is it any surprise that these things are happening? I mean, look what's on the surface or just go look at Hollywood. Go watch a Sam Smith music video. Go watch a Lil Nas music video. Yeah.
• 1:35:10
  Go watch even, you know, but go back out. I kinda did a deep dive into Miley Cyrus. Go watch one of her videos Yeah. And look what's happened. Look at look what they did.
• 1:35:19
  They took this beautiful Hannah Montana character that was had won the hearts of millions of young girls across the nation. Two years later, she's twerking on stage and then swinging naked from a wrecking ball while she's kind of caressing a sledgehammer as a phallus. Yeah. I mean, do you do you I mean, do you think? To brighten
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: our faces.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 2: It's right. So, yeah, maybe maybe you don't wanna do you wanna don't wanna believe the the one podcast where the guy says some things about Disney World that was too hard to believe. Yeah. Then why are they putting a phallus on the cover of Little Mermaid? Why is it in some of the old rescuers down under cartoon, they've got a frame in there that has a pornographic picture on the wall?
• 1:35:56
  They've left breadcrumbs in everything that they've done. Yeah, I mean, it's, yeah, it's hard, it's dark, it's dark. And they talk about the dark night of the soul. They talk about the process that you go through. When you accept this, it is a dark night of the soul.
• 1:36:12
  And for a lot of people, you know, you watch one of these interviews, you might be crying on the floor till three in the morning after coming out of this. And but you know what? If that's what it takes to fully recognize the evil in this world Mhmm. And then and then do something about it, and then try your best to expose it and try to fight against it. It's like, wanna, you know, at the end of my life, I wanna be able to, you know, look God in the eyes and say, I did everything I could.
• 1:36:41
  I set aside my comforts, I set aside my career. I did everything I could to expose the evil and to fight against the evil and to try to strengthen the good in this world.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: Mhmm.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: I think that that's that's what it's all about.
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: A 100%. Well, and that's what he calls us to do. I mean, if you read Old Testament and New, we're not guaranteed justice in this world, but we're not allowed to sit back and allow it to happen. He said, cease to do evil, learn to do good, rebuke the oppressor, plead for the widow, protect the orphan, seek justice. We're commanded to do that.
• 1:37:23
  And we're commanded to be light and salt. That's what Christ said. The victories are God's. But I do think that this does have the impact that the I think here in this discussion, I mean, I think all God wants for us is for us to love him and acknowledge him and submit to him and repent and follow him, right? And let our lives follow the course that the natural God lays out for us.
• 1:37:49
  I'm a Christian, and I believe through Christ is the only way to do that, but people have many different belief systems. And I think that we all have to search in our own way, but he does want us to to reject the idols. He does want us to reject the world. Right? Not of the world or not you know, we are in the world, but not of the world.
• 1:38:16
  He wants us to understand that and then submit completely to him. And then then we can do these things, and we can build houses and plant gardens and and love our husband or our wife and our children and and do these things that he wants for us in this world. And I think that acknowledging the wickedness is crucial to that and understanding that both parties are involved in it. Our governments are involved in it. Education, universities, entertainment.
• 1:38:47
  Like, I think he wants us to see this so that we reject it. I don't know. Maybe I'm thinking too deeply into this, but that's where I can come out of this and say, okay. I'm not black pilled. I'm white pilled.
• 1:38:58
  I know where the truth is. Right? We just can't be afraid to call it out. Is you know, how do you grapple with this as we as we wind down this interview? Again, this series, I highly recommended, guys, Seth Seth Wholehouse.
• 1:39:11
  It's the survivor series. He did multiple interviews with MK-Ultra, survivors of ritual satanic sexual abuse. Many of these types of systems are what the controllers use to keep their control in place here in the world. And it's graphic and I could only listen to a few, honestly.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: I don't blame you, yeah.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: But I think that if you can, these are very, very important interviews. But any final thoughts on this and your experience with this, what you're working on next, and then, you know, again, how you grapple with it and how you make sense of all of this and then use it for good.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, think that, you know, in the biblical times, they had statues to ball. They had these metal statues with these metal trays over the flames, and they would put newborn children into the scalding hot metal tray over the fire. Yeah. And the newborn child would either burn alive in the tray or or squirm off and fall into the fire.
• 1:40:21
  Do do you think there's no there's nothing new under the sun? Right. Do you think that those those bloodlines that that those people
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: don't exist
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: now? It's like they're still here. You know? And I look at it as I I just think that the way I look at all this is I believe that we are in the days of Noah. And if you look at what was what what were the days of Noah as well, there's evil that had permeated the earth.
• 1:40:40
  There was the mixing of DNA. Right? MRNA for some, right? So I think that we're living in a place where the evil that is in this world has culminated, has a lot of power. I do think the evil is starting to break down.
• 1:40:54
  I do, I really believe that. I think at the very high levels of this system, there's something shifting and it's breaking, and that gives me hope. But I also think that there is a is there's a flood coming. And I don't know what the flood is. I don't think that we're gonna have a a Noah's flood where we have, you know, waters that rise up and wipe out.
• 1:41:12
  But I think we're at a time where the earth has a lot of evil that needs to be purged and just like the days of Noah. And so I believe that, you know, as a husband, as a father, as someone that has a lot of influence through the podcast, that I need to do whatever I can to build my arc. And what does that arc look like? It's building community, it's homeschooling my kids, it's, you know, growing my own food, it's knowing my neighbors, it's learning how to take care of myself, learning how to protect my family, learning how to, you know, get closer and closer to being off grid, pulling myself out of all these systems. You know, I'm just in the process of buying a 90s car and selling the brand new car, right?
• 1:41:54
  I have a car that I can fix on my own, it's got no tracking in it. I'm planning on getting a flip phone soon, getting rid of my smartphone. So these are the things. And so, and also that, you know, this kind of ties into what we're building, the ARC. And this is what really hit me, right, in terms of this process.
• 1:42:08
  Well, we need a place to build our own community. We need to to meet people that think like we do. Because that's really important, because think about what happened when COVID hit, right? Overnight, we had entire online communities, think about Parlor, entire online communities just got wiped out. And before you know it, you're sitting there alone, your family's all masked up, you're the crazy one for questioning the mask, for questioning the vaccine, and you're alone.
• 1:42:31
  And so I wanna I wanna do what I can to make sure that never happens. And so that's what we're doing. So we're literally building we're actually, we're in like the final week or two of just beta testing and app submission and everything, but we've built our own private social media platform. Wow. It's called the Arc.
• 1:42:47
  It's literally like a Facebook platform. It's got, I think almost over half a million lines of code. And that we we built we own every single line of code. We built from scratch.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: And it's so it's kinda like a Facebook. You've got groups. You you've got encrypted messaging on there. You can go it's so it's private. It's membership only.
• 1:43:04
  So you can't it's like very, very private. And so anyway, so you can go on there and you can say, hey, show me ARC members within a 30 mile radius, right? Or you can say, hey, I'm looking for someone that's an expert in solar. Oh, hey, these 30 members are all experts in solar. You can DM them and ask them questions about your solar setup.
• 1:43:22
  But we've also got an entire ARC Academy on there. So there's an entire online university for learning water purification, gardening, home security, emergency medicine, you know, power options, how to run solar generators, all this stuff. There's an academy, there's planting guides, there's water and food calculators. You go on there and say, okay, my family is this size, And if I wanna have six month worth of food, okay, this is exactly how how many calories you need. You can even use your phone to scan your barcodes of your products, and it'll tell you of your storage, of your food storage, which inventory is going on a date quicker, so you can cycle through to manage, make sure I mean, we're building it's a whole suite.
• 1:44:03
  There's even a a gardening calendar on there. So you go on there, you have your calendar. It'll say, hey, Shannon, it's time to plant your beans today. Right? So because it knows where you're know?
• 1:44:10
  So You've
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: seen planting beans? Oh my God.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, I've I've been picking beans for for dinner lately. We we do a lot of gardening, but it has all that. So it's for people that want to start kind of moving back towards tradition and living how our grandparents did. But also, we're gonna have local chapters. So we're gonna have a New York chapter.
• 1:44:29
  We're gonna have chapters in every state, chapters in every country that's active. So, you know, and you can organize that as you want to. So maybe you're, hey, next weekend, you know, we're gonna be up in the Catskills for our our New York chapter ARC meeting. And so you'll go there, you'll get to meet people. So really, it's about building this, and it's just, you know, it's we got multiple bank processors, so it's not gonna be taken up by Stripe.
• 1:44:50
  Like I said, we're we're hosting on private servers. We own the code. We're making it as resilient as possible because I think there's another wave of censorship coming. I don't think that the internet's become free again. Think it's, it's, it's, they've got something coming on the line.
• 1:45:03
  And so we wanted to build something that would allow people to maintain and strengthen their relationships with people who believe and think like they do and support each other. And so, anyway, so, the it hasn't launched yet. We're a couple weeks away. But at the there's a website, it's buildthearc.com.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 2: Right? It's, it's Ark with a K. For some reason people say, it doesn't work. And they're putting in Ark with a C, but it's Ark with a K, like Noah's Ark. So buildtheark.com.dotcom.
• 1:45:30
  You just drop in your name and your email and it will add you to the waiting list. And then, right now, I think we're up to 16,000 people on the
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: waiting
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: Oh
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: my gosh.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah. People are really, really wanting this. And so as soon as it opens up, then, as soon as it opens up, then we will let people in and start kind of in in kinda chunks populate and let people come in. And, yeah. So that's that's one of the projects.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: That's awesome. That'll be linked in the show notes of the Shannon Joy show. So you guys can go to buildthearcwithak.com to get on the waiting list. I'll be going because I'm in New York too, Seth. So we can have a hotbed of, you know, arc builders here in New York state.
• 1:46:10
  I'm so into all of this stuff. I so want a nineties car. I want a a Chevy Suburban circa 1994. That's like my
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 2: I I'm just buying picking up on Friday a '92 Bronco.
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, those are so cool. Oh, those are really I bet it's I bet it's awesome. I bet it's awesome. Yeah. I hate the electronics.
• 1:46:27
  I'm sure that it is. I'm right there with you. Flip phone, I'm not sure if I'm ready for that, but I'm close.
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 2: I'm close. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: I'm very bad at gardening. I'm gonna have to make friends with a gardener. Catherine Austin Pitts said the the the future is gonna be built on relationship of trust. So I'm gonna have to find some meat processors and gardeners who are in the air. I have a bunch of them that I already know that are amazing.
• 1:46:50
  But this is all good stuff. This is, I think, all very relevant. And really appreciate you, Seth. I know this went a little bit longer than I thought it was going to be. Oh, it's okay.
• 1:47:01
  I know that I budgeted an hour and I went over. But, I mean, this was really fascinating. And I'm just so thankful that there are people like you in the world, independents, who are out there just searching and searching and finding and helping other people search and find and and move as closely as we can to the truth. It's not easy to know what is the truth these days because we're buried in so many lies. But my clues obviously come from my my Christian faith and from the Bible, but also just from our intuition.
• 1:47:34
  You know, God reveals to us. It it he he the holy spirit or, you know, our our intuition, we gotta start trusting that. I agree with you 100%, Seth, that if we're quiet and we sit and we omit ourselves from the factions and the cults and the parties and all of the things, then we we will. I think the truth is revealed to us.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 2: I couldn't agree more.
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And so you keep up the great work. Everyone can find obviously, follow him on Twitter at Man in America. And the website is maninamerica.com. Anything else that you want people to do, buy, get to, you tell me.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So there's a quick thing. So maninamerica.com is a really good, starting point. So on maninamerica.com, there's links to the ARC. There's also links to my YouTube, all my social media profiles, the Rumble.
• 1:48:27
  On YouTube in particular, because you can create playlists, there's actually a YouTube playlist of the Survivor Series. And so if they go, or just go to YouTube and search for Man in America, and on my homepage there, you'll see two or three rungs down. There's the whole Survivor series is put together there.
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: Excellent. And I'm gonna go back. I think I'm ready to listen to a couple more. I just it's a hard one. You gotta take you know, you have to take it in chunks.
• 1:48:51
  And excellent work, Seth. Excellent work. I don't know of a better person to take this on as an endeavor, and you're just doing a great job. So hopefully, we'll meet someday soon here in New York state. But in the meantime, just keep up the great work.
• 1:49:04
  Thank you for everything that you've done.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, thank you too. Thank you.
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: Alright.
• 1:49:09
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• 1:49:26
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