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'Dreams Are Mental' w/ Mark McG (Girobabies) , Interviewed by Steg G (Live on Sunny G) · You Call That Radio?

• 0:02
  Speaker A: It's season five, episode five of you Call that Radio's audio podcast and thought we'd do something a wee bit different in today's episode because I've got an album called Dreams Are Mental. It's out now exclusively on Bandcamp, available cd, vinyl, digital download, and I'll probably one day be on the streaming platforms too. But, yeah, the album launch party is a week today, which is 29th March at Slay in Glasgow. It would be great if you could make it along. There is some discount codes and some guest lists available. If you're a Patreon or if you call that radio at patreon.com forward slash, you call that radio or just get along to schedule. Ticket Scotland Eventbrite Band Camp. Tickets are available everywhere. And rather than me talk about the album, I thought I would share my interview with Stag G that was recorded live on Sonny Govan last Monday, first thing on a Monday morning. So I was still waking up, but I thought it was good to. It's always good to chat with Stig and he's keenly giving me permission and Sunny Govern have given me permission to re release it for the audio podcast stream. Till you call that radio, listeners, if you don't know already, Stag and Sony Govan do so much great work for the community and Stig's also a fantastic producer and it's just great to go on a show and have a chat with him. So he asked lots of good questions and we played a couple exclusives from the new album. So I hope you enjoy the show and I'll hopefully see you at the album launch on the 29th of March. And if you can't make that, you can just go to the jadowbabies.bandcamp.com and listen to the album today. After you've listened to the interview, of course. So thank you, Steg G. Thank you, Sunny Govern Community Radio, and enjoy the show. Bye.
• 2:31
  Speaker B: So, Martin G in the building. Let's talk about the album. Mark. Loving the new album, man. I want to talk a bit with that. Yeah, lots to talk about on that. Yeah. So let's talk about the title first. Dreams Are Mental, though.
• 2:44
  Speaker A: I get Dreams are Mental.
• 2:47
  Speaker B: Well, you know, where'd that come from?
• 2:49
  Speaker A: Just weren't well, I think I heard my mate Big Al say at one.
• 2:54
  Speaker B: Time, big Al from a Jakey Bites?
• 2:56
  Speaker A: No, no, no. But it's his doppelganger. They've met before. It was like, big Al meet Big Al. No, they're similar. There's a Lot of similarities, but very different as well. I think it was. I might be at a house party or something. This is years ago, and somebody was explaining a dream and, you know, that way where dreams are a bit. Other people's dreams aren't that interesting. It was a long. I get that. It was a bit long, drawn out. And he just sort of like, politely went, dreams are mental. I'm sure he said that, but he doesn't remember saying that. So I don't know if I've imagined that. But I just like the phrase. It's kind of sort of been. And then when I was. When I started doing the first. We started the album about a year ago, we scrapped a few different versions of the album beforehand. And then about a year ago, it just started coming together and I just realized I quite like the concept of, you know, making a dream within a dream. And, you know, it's probably not the most original concept, but I think the way we've dealt with it is definitely unique. Might not be your cup of tea, but it's new. I think it's just fresh.
• 3:51
  Speaker B: Super fresh. Super exciting album, Mark. I'm gonna say it's your best project yet.
• 3:57
  Speaker A: Oh, thank you.
• 3:58
  Speaker B: And you've got a lot of good projects, Mark. You've got a few buyers. I mean, as the kids say, you know what I mean? Sonny Govin's always blasting at Gyro Babies all the time.
• 4:06
  Speaker A: Yeah, I know the crew at Sonny G. I mean, I could count in one half.
• 4:10
  Speaker B: No, no, that's not about fighting Noise. But I'm just recognizing your prolific quality of musical releases, Mark, and the new album's the same. In fact, like I said, the new album's probably the peak of what you've done so far. But I hear targets about your last Gyro Babies project, Mark. Talk about that before it upset me even.
• 4:27
  Speaker A: Mel, does it sound like. Does it sound like the last Movie?
• 4:29
  Speaker B: No, it does they. Not Disney, Mark. No.
• 4:32
  Speaker A: I don't know. I think. I think it could be. I felt like after who Took Utopia the way there was. We were, you know, with the world, that our feet were still young and, you know, we were getting offered really good things were critically acclaimed at that time. And just for whatever reason, the, you know, the band kind of fell apart a wee bit for a while, and then I just felt like I wanted to end the one more in terms. So it's kind of what the stubbornness kept the band going through, you know, finding new musicians that were actually a good fit. So, you know, went Through a lot of musicians over the years, but I feel like we've got a good lineup now and it was so I just felt like if I was to say goodbye, this would be my goodbye for this band, for this project. Obviously I'll never stop writing on making music, man, but I feel like. I just feel like this may be. I started this band as a young, angry guy, an angry middle aged guy. Do you know what I mean? I just think that. I just think that it might be the last album. But you can never say never exactly.
• 5:39
  Speaker B: Mark, wouldn't you like to think it was the last album? Because to me it seems like you said a minute ago you've had lots of lineups through the years, lots of challenges, but the Gyro Babies, Mark, I know just watching you from the sidelines, I can see how a lot of times you've been limited by time to make things happen, limited by budgets to make things happen, limited by band members being available to make things happen. But you've always made it happen.
• 6:06
  Speaker A: Yeah, I mean there's been lots, you know, this, the drama that follows a band. I mean, I think that's just. I think it's like I'd still like to be in another band, but I think that it feels like there's a lot more pressure on a band because people are expecting a certain thing. You know, some people are expecting the sort of comedy stuff, some people are expecting the darker stuff.
• 6:24
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 6:24
  Speaker A: And you know, it just, it feels like you may sort of got to be a certain way. I don't know, I just. And you know, this, this was full of. This making of this album was littered with drama, breakups, bereavements. Just. It's been really difficult.
• 6:41
  Speaker B: Well, let me ask you this about, right?
• 6:42
  Speaker A: Honest, I had no funding and no funding as well. It's like, just to clarify, we are an independent DIY band and Gyro Baby's never had any funding. We've never had any record label help or bookers or management or anything like that. So it's like it's all on me a bit. And that. That's a lot exhausting.
• 7:02
  Speaker B: That's a lot. Going to ask you this, Mark, and be honest, do you. Are you making the music for the Gyro Babies new for yourself or for. Are you making the music you think that people want to hear?
• 7:13
  Speaker A: Like, it's definitely for myself. But you're hoping.
• 7:15
  Speaker B: That's good.
• 7:16
  Speaker A: That's good. Yeah. I think it's the artist's job to decide what the music is.
• 7:20
  Speaker B: Yep.
• 7:21
  Speaker A: And I think we've always been quite a varied band. It's probably went against us for a while because, like, you know, if somebody checks us out and they just land on the first song they land on, they'll be like, why did you recommend us? Because some of it, you know, the moods are very different, it sounds very different, but I think as a result it does give us a little bit more freedom than a normal band. Because, you know, I would expect people to expect unexpected. It's definitely, for me, I think the artist has got to lead the way with the music. And it's up to the audience whether they like it or not.
• 7:52
  Speaker B: Great. How many years is it now? That's a question from Derek. How many years have been gyro babies new, Mark?
• 7:57
  Speaker A: Well, we don't know, but I think we're going for 15. We did a 10 year anniversary right before lockdown. Remember December 2019. It was a different.
• 8:08
  Speaker B: The before times five years ago today. Mark.
• 8:11
  Speaker A: Oh, wait, is that right?
• 8:12
  Speaker B: 100%.
• 8:13
  Speaker A: Wow. I didn't know that. Okay, well, that was. We celebrated our 10 year anniversary in December 2019. So by that going by that logic, it's our 15th year, but I have got my bass guitar, my former bass guitars, who also does the artwork for Dreams or Mental. And he did two Tutti Topia as well. He found a flyer that suggests that maybe we started the year before that. So maybe 16 years. The answer question is we're officially saying 15, but there is evidence that suggests that we may actually be 16 years old.
• 8:45
  Speaker B: Sort of gyro adolescents now.
• 8:47
  Speaker A: Yeah, we are gyro adults, definitely.
• 8:50
  Speaker B: Okay. Okay. Let's play a wee song right now, Mark, and then we'll get a wee chat after this. If anyone wants to ask Mark any questions, set us up on WhatsApp. Get us on a MixCloud room as well. Got a lot to ask Mark myself today and lots of this music to play. It's phenomenal, Mark. Can you remind people where they can get it? I know it's. We'll talk about the Spotify thing and how it's now there later.
• 9:11
  Speaker A: There was a bit of a controversy about how to hear the album, but it's on Bandcamp.
• 9:15
  Speaker B: Okay, what's the address for that?
• 9:16
  Speaker A: Gyrobabies.com it's the gyrobabies.bandcamp.com and it should be the first thing that pops up.
• 9:21
  Speaker B: I'm going to play one of my favorites. This one really stood out to me. When you've done your stripped back candle set At Loki's album.
• 9:28
  Speaker A: Watch.
• 9:30
  Speaker B: Romantic. Yeah.
• 9:31
  Speaker A: Otherwise there's some romantic plastic candles on the set.
• 9:34
  Speaker B: This one really stood out to me. The whole set was great. I love the strip back set. Mark. That was pretty good. Really good actually. You know what I mean? Could really hear the songs.
• 9:42
  Speaker A: Yeah, you know what I mean? It was a bit. It was a bit rushed together, but it was, it was. Yeah, it was kind of a last, kind of a last minute edition.
• 9:50
  Speaker B: Okay, tell us about the Secret Information.
• 9:53
  Speaker A: So the Secret Information. I like the title, I like the title. But it was basically for a couple of years I'd been, you know, like, you know. Also it starts with video Killed the radio star. So I was just kind of playing a bit with that rhyming, you know what killed what and you know what is. So I, I've been sort of like probably just on and off. I would be softening, I think. I think probably for about two years now, just. And then I finally got. We got a really good referee, Mark McTeith, who's the guitarist. And it just started coming together. What was lacking was a chorus. And then Mark said, as long as every text message, as long as everybody's cool, everything. And it was because it was an infighting drama within the band happening. I'm not going to say what, but two band members kind of fell out each other and Mark said, well, as long as everybody's cool with it. And then I just replied, nobody's ever really cool with anything. And I was like, hold on, there's something there. I think we've got our. I've got the, the missing piece of the jigsaw. And then we just threw it all together and my famous produced it really well. And this is the secret information Smartphones.
• 11:38
  Speaker C: Kill the desktop laptop superphone fiber home broadband kill the dialogue Cocaine kill the pin drop moments is the cost of living is killing life Music in the house Price rises Kill off retirement and corporate creed kills in that to ruin viral men I, I, I got the secret information See that haunted house up.
• 12:06
  Speaker A: On the hill if the walls could.
• 12:09
  Speaker C: Speak the secrets were spill Life moving fast can't live in the past Enjoy each minute as if it's your last Aye aye I got the secret information as long as everybody here is cool with everything Nobody's ever really cool with anything as long as everybody is cool with everything Nobody is really cool with anything these days.
• 12:45
  Speaker A: Get a men killed.
• 12:47
  Speaker C: The post club afters Austerity killed all our mothers and fathers Phone apps killed the home cooked dinner photo filters killed Getting naturally Thinner content killed the TV adverts killed the content iPhone killed the.
• 13:03
  Speaker A: Oxen Great beer killed our brain cells.
• 13:06
  Speaker C: Swinging haunted house upon the hill if there was to me the sheep is the Life's moving fast can't live in the past Enjoy each minute as if it's your last Everybody here just cool with everything? Is everybody here really cool with everything? Does everybody here just cool with everything? Nobody's ever really cool with anything. Is everybody here really cool with everything? Nobody ever really cool with anything? Nobody ever really grow with anything? Nobody ever really do anything. Is true.
• 14:31
  Speaker B: An international collaboration there as well. Mark, tell us a bit.
• 14:35
  Speaker A: That's the amazing Helia Gimeno of a band called Siren. Spelled a little bit Spanish. It's the E. It's a little bit different. Siren, I think, and she's incredible. She's a. She's in a band with a friend of mine that. Who's a Manchester boy and they live in. He's got a Mexican wife and they live in Mexico and they're in an amazing band. And when we were over there, I met her and I just sort of thought. I just felt like. Because it's quite early on in the album, after Landfill Culture, I thought it'd be quite cool to have like a. Some. A Spanish rant and I think it's like a Mexican poem of revolution or whatever. And just to hear her introduced the. I think she says the gyro baby's never sleep. She might just be slagging me. I don't really know. I don't speak Spanish that well, unfortunately. But I just thought it just. It sounded nice. I just thought because he's got that intro, I feel like I needed something to elevate it. And she did a great job and. And you can talk to hear her singing a wee bit in it as well. But check out S E I R E N. I think it's a Spanish spelling of Siren. And yeah, beautiful music. Really. So Jeff Buckley type esque. Maybe like post. Post rock Jeff Buckley. It's cool.
• 15:53
  Speaker B: Yeah. And super cool to hear the Secret Information track from the Gyro baby.
• 15:57
  Speaker A: An exclusive, mate. That's an exclusive. No one's heard that before.
• 15:59
  Speaker B: Four that track.
• 16:01
  Speaker A: Yep. Secret Information. Brand new.
• 16:03
  Speaker B: No one's heard that before.
• 16:04
  Speaker A: No one's heard it that Played it last week. All right. Okay.
• 16:07
  Speaker B: Exclusive second play then. Well, it's.
• 16:10
  Speaker A: Second play. Well, I didn't know. I didn't know.
• 16:12
  Speaker B: Okay, okay.
• 16:12
  Speaker A: It's, you know, we're trying to. We. It's a sunny G exclusive. No one else has. Has played it.
• 16:19
  Speaker B: Okay, great. Ky Boy says that's a br as I definitely.
• 16:24
  Speaker A: I was actually going to come in at Christy show. I'll try and get it before the launch as well.
• 16:27
  Speaker B: Awesome. Kusty Boy says, what's your favorite role in the morning?
• 16:31
  Speaker A: A favorite role? Well, do you know I was debating that today because, you know, I don't. I normally don't talk to the general public till after 1 o'clock on a Monday.
• 16:38
  Speaker B: Okay. Yeah.
• 16:39
  Speaker A: But I'm not a morning person. Maybe I'm not a morning person. Well, it's not even that I'm not a morning person. I just like. I like a think in the morning.
• 16:47
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 16:48
  Speaker A: I like to think about my day and my favorite role would probably be. Well, do you know what, I'm actually going through an egg phase just now because I've been trying to look after myself a bit better. I've started going to the gym. Not on big level, just trying to. And what I've found is that the egg, the egg roll, the boiled egg roll in the morning, it just takes away a lot of the thinking for me.
• 17:10
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 17:10
  Speaker A: So it's like I'm just going to wake up, I'm going to get myself some nice rolls every couple of days and I'm just going to have a boiled egg roll. But obviously I've got respect for all the fillings. You know, whether that's a sausage. I like a BLT from time to time.
• 17:24
  Speaker B: Respect all the fillings.
• 17:25
  Speaker A: Can I like a roll in square where a bit of brown sauce and onion on it as well? I've been known to roll. I've been looking roll these rules.
• 17:32
  Speaker B: Okay, Excellent. I've got a few questions. We'll get into them in a minute. Let's talk about this. Cool things I want to talk about. I want to really give you a lot of your props today, Mark, and a lot of your flows, to quote a phrase, you don't really get it. You did get it right, but you're too busy. I think people are too busy or you're too busy even recognizing what you've achieved in music in Scotland.
• 17:55
  Speaker A: Yeah, I appreciate that.
• 17:57
  Speaker B: And it's a lot, Mark, you know, I mean, when you have a rethink about the things that you've done, the events you've organized, the artists you've helped to establish in the community, the community you've helped to establish in music in Scotland, the DIY community, you're a huge part of that. And also what you've done for SunnyGovern. Four years ago, Mark. Definitely no forgetting about that. When Sunnygovan was in a really, really bad place and you came to help us, Mark. And we will not forget that. And we really, really appreciate that. You didn't need to do that. You know what I mean?
• 18:35
  Speaker A: Of course. It's like the. It was, I think, if you remember right, it was right in the middle of lockdown, wasn't it?
• 18:40
  Speaker B: Right after the first year of lockdown. Yeah, everything was going to the war. Yeah, everything was going to the war organization.
• 18:47
  Speaker A: I could count in one hand how many people have helped, have helped us. And Sunny governs right there. So anything I could do for Sony Govan. It's like just, I think that everyone in Glasgow wants to save Sonny Govan. Anyway, it wasn't hard to save. I didn't do much, I'm saying, I just put a platform on it and everybody else wanted to help, help to.
• 19:10
  Speaker B: Save SunnyGovern, which five years, four years later, we're still here, Mart. So thanks to you and your support and your foresight. I wanted to use that to talk about. You call that radio?
• 19:21
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 19:21
  Speaker B: And that came maybe just before lockdown. Was it Mark, or was it locked down? Inspired.
• 19:28
  Speaker A: No, I mean, I'd already like the idea of a podcast.
• 19:30
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 19:31
  Speaker A: It was an audio podcast or I was doing it like maybe twice a month. I was doing a lot of like comedy skits at the beginning. So I would do maybe half an hour of comedy skits or opinion pieces and then I would have an hour interview and I was just kind of sort of playing about with editing sound effects and I was just having fun with. And then obviously when live music was made illegal then I had a problem in my hands because, well, I didn't make any money. So I just kind of. I just kind of doubled down on it. And it was a daily livestream for most of lockdown or even sometimes I went three times a day. And it was really obviously trying to. It was good to make money off it because I did make like nearly enough for my rent every month, which saved my life. So thanks to everyone who supported the call out Radio Patreon, or still does. But I think also the reason I did it so much is just because it was a good way of making sense of a strange time and just staying connected with everybody and hear everybody else's different thoughts because it was quite a strange, scary time and you're only either getting your news through the telly or, you know, people just spouting things online. You know, it was good to Just have. Checking in people.
• 20:47
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 20:48
  Speaker A: And have sort of a normal conversation, try and make some sense of it all. Really?
• 20:53
  Speaker B: Yep.
• 20:53
  Speaker A: And then, since then, I'm not. I'm. No, stop. I mean, a lot of people just started podcasts during lockdown and they gave up after a couple months. My podcast is going absolutely nowhere. I love it.
• 21:01
  Speaker B: Good.
• 21:01
  Speaker A: I just love talking to people. I love whether that's. You know, sometimes we get established artists and sometimes it's just a new person, but there's always. I think there's always something to learn from everybody, you know, no matter where they're at in their career.
• 21:15
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 21:15
  Speaker A: And true. Long. Long may it continue. Man. You call that radio is mostly on YouTube, but we do an audio podcast as well.
• 21:24
  Speaker B: Do you see yourself maybe in the future focusing Meadow on the podcast inside of your creativity?
• 21:31
  Speaker A: Yeah, I think. I think the. The, you know, the YouTube channel is the podcast thing. But also I want it.
• 21:38
  Speaker B: You mean content? You're making content.
• 21:41
  Speaker A: The thing is that I actually just said this in interview with Brand the other day. That's not yet, though. It's that I can feel. Look, when I'm doing my opinion pieces or I'm talking about something that, you know, whether it's comedy or it's a bit more serious or whatever, there is moments where I can feel myself getting better. It's getting better at it, and then obviously I get worse again. But what I'm saying is that it's still a thing that I've not peaked at yet. And it's quite a nice feeling to just know that you're improving at something. You know, the same with, like, my small steps in the gym, but, you know, you're just still feeling, you know, every day I'm getting stronger. Every day I'm getting just a little bit fatter and stuff. So it's kind of like that. And so I think that, you know, whether that's writing. Yeah, I think. I think there's gonna be more of that because it's. I don't need to rely on any other band members. I don't need to. I just need to sit down and think about what I'm going to say.
• 22:27
  Speaker B: Yeah, that's probably a quite liberating thing for you, Martin. No having to think about. Okay, well, if I'm doing a song for the Gyro Babies, I need to consider these members.
• 22:37
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 22:37
  Speaker B: But if you're doing your own podcast or your own opinion pieces, then it's just you.
• 22:42
  Speaker A: Just you and. Yeah. I don't know, man. I don't know what?
• 22:45
  Speaker B: That's quite liberating.
• 22:46
  Speaker A: You never know what the future holds. But a few wickets. It would just be good if I could just. If I could double my patrons, then I could just do it full time.
• 22:52
  Speaker B: Okay. Okay.
• 22:53
  Speaker A: One. So I'm not a million miles away from where I want to be. That would be the bedroom come true. Would for me just maybe walking about, interviewing people and making my own, you know, pieces. For comedy or whether it's usually music related, I like to have chime in on subjects of the day. We'll get to Spotify in a minute. But.
• 23:09
  Speaker B: Okay. But yeah, okay. Let's play some music, Mark. Let's play some music. Celebrating your music, particularly this new album. Phenomenal album. Dreams Are Mental. So I'm band camp right now, folks. We'll talk about other potential outlets for it later. But let's play a B song right now. Steal my sleep. Talk about this, Mark.
• 23:29
  Speaker A: So still my sleep is. It was. It's. This is the. This one's a Joe the Arc. Co written by Joe the Arc.
• 23:36
  Speaker B: Okay. Big shout to Joe.
• 23:37
  Speaker A: And it's probably. I think it's the only song she's. She wrote on, but it's. It's an absolute cracker. I don't know. I can't remember the first time we did it, but it's actually. We're in Mexico and I was going through my voice notes looking for something else. And it was just this wee jam that we had. And. Well, that's actually quite. The jam is actually quite good. I think I just like picked up a random scrap of paper that I had. Do you know why? But I just. A box of lyrics with me and I've just picked up something. So it wasn't really, you know, wasn't really premeditated that much. And then we thought, that's quite good. So we're in Mexico. We practiced it because we're playing a. A candlelight stripped back set again. Dash the Hens record store in London on the way back from Mexico. So we spent a week in London.
• 24:20
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 24:20
  Speaker A: And we just kind of sort of perfected it for that. And then it was like, all right, this is quite a good tune. So it's kind of like. I suppose it's kind of like it's the sound of the last festival of summer, I suppose. But I think you can look into it whatever way you want. It's, you know, what does a long summer mean? It's got, you know, I think in the context of the album, it's got a few different meanings and yeah enjoy Know the baby pie Sympathize I.
• 25:37
  Speaker C: Phone cameras die so there's no reply I know Breath of why But I I, I Lonely shuffle Wet out strawberry shuffle Comprehension Long puncture wires in the cloud to solve the puzzle Electrical wires and the eyes we see the bees and trees and trouble it's been a long summer Been a long summer it's been a long summer Been a long summer Please, please tell me your tough leaves of winter so I can rain the sums of my sons multiply Taking myself deeper for trying to make it right it count Bounces on steep I reach it counts me daily Steals my sleep and draws me off at the deepness it's been a long summer it's been a long summer it's been a long summer Been a long summer.
• 28:03
  Speaker B: Gyro baby steal my sleep I know that feeling. I never get enough sleep. Never get enough.
• 28:11
  Speaker A: I go through phases of having really good sleep and then. And then not. I think my problem is that this routine's my problem.
• 28:17
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 28:18
  Speaker A: You know, I just want to. If I might see if I'm in the zone. I just want to keep working.
• 28:23
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 28:23
  Speaker A: And then if I try and just sort of shut off, my brain doesn't.
• 28:27
  Speaker B: Need a way, it's not going to happen.
• 28:28
  Speaker A: But then. Yeah, I like a good sleep, though.
• 28:32
  Speaker B: You know, I want to see a shout to Sky Jefferson. She says, that's a tune. Or they say that's a tune. Matthew sends a big question. He says, question for Mark. What is one piece of production or music gear that you couldn't live without? Matthew likes to get tech and that's fine.
• 28:49
  Speaker A: Getting techy, yeah. Well, you know, I've got my. I've got my roid mic that I use for the podcast.
• 28:56
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 28:56
  Speaker A: Which is great. I can't remember what I had before I. I had something more like this. Sure.
• 29:02
  Speaker B: Or something like that. Y.
• 29:03
  Speaker A: It looks maybe a wee bit different, but it had something like that that was. But that was borrowed from my famous. I got an extended loan of about. I had it for about three or four years or something. So when I was going to Mexico, he took that back off me. So I had to invest in. I just got a road. Maybe that's mainly for a. I've not tried recording on that just now. I mean, in lockdown. I used something like this to record at this point with Jackal Trades. So I recorded that in the house. But to be honest, you know what? Tech wise, I'm not really. That I'm not definitely not an Expert on tech. What I do is I use Premiere Pro for my video editing. I use Reaper for my podcast editing. Occasionally record vocals but see boys after. I prefer working in the studio with and it's not something that I'm particularly good at the recording side of things. So I like to just bring an expert on board and work with him and I just feel like you get so much more at it. I wouldn't be used to it before but that was a bit. Unfortunately I wasn't in my own top form. I was a bit rushed. I was trying to do 20 songs in a week or something.
• 30:03
  Speaker B: I remember that and it was a unusual. I'm used to maybe spending a bit more time on a project. It was an album and two tours or something like that.
• 30:11
  Speaker A: No. Every producer knows eventually I get sick and have to just put a deadline on it. But you were. You were just. You weren't. I don't think. I don't know exactly but I remember you been. It was like a week before the launch. It was cuz we're playing the bars. That's what it was. We wanted to get the album finished so that we could be make a Jackal trades album launch at the bars. But you know, it was still great. Still great working people. Cuz like for example I remember like I did a take and you just went you can do better than that. And that's what you need.
• 30:36
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 30:36
  Speaker A: You know, you just need. It's like. And also I feel like sometimes if a producer says that's wrong and then I can defend myself. Why it's right. That means that. That means it makes me more confident.
• 30:49
  Speaker B: That's cool. Yeah. Yeah.
• 30:50
  Speaker A: You know there's a lot of me and Hamish, we. We go back and forth. We don't agree on everything but relationship there for. In the studio you don't have time to. To push it a bit. You just got to be direct with people and. And sometimes to. Anyone outside would think that was rude. Sometimes.
• 31:07
  Speaker B: Sure.
• 31:07
  Speaker A: But there's got. It's about finding what hell you want to die on and what you don't want to die on. And I think that. So you were just saying off air that you like the production on this and that's all more famish. He recorded all of it. There's maybe a couple exceptions like the. It felt like then that was a godly Duncan. He just made the beat. He played every instrument in that and I recorded in his house. The same again for the last song on the album that was just me and goddy In a flat. It was meant to be a demo, the last song, but I quite like the. The Giant maybe started with just a sing star mic and get. And again, my dad's old acoustic guitar.
• 31:42
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 31:43
  Speaker A: So if you want to talk about gear. That was the kind of gear.
• 31:45
  Speaker B: That's good.
• 31:47
  Speaker A: Yeah, we don't. I don't. If I speak to my guitarist about his. He knows about. He'll. He'll tell you all about his pedals and stuff. Yeah, I'm sure Jerry will tell you a better drums. But, yeah, I just. Just. I just go into other people's studios and us what's there.
• 32:02
  Speaker B: I want to flip it back a wee bit because I'm kind of fascinated. I'm sure lots of listeners will tell you, but your Mexico episode, particularly the bits that fascinate me, is that decision, right? Yeah, that decision, you know, I mean, to just. I'm out of here.
• 32:19
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 32:19
  Speaker B: And we've all thought of that at some point. We're all pretty much too scared to date about it, you know, I mean, mostly. But me through that. Talk me through that.
• 32:29
  Speaker A: There isn't really one. You know, if you. You get a different answer every time you ask me, really. Because there was a lot of stuff going on at the time, but it basically came down to the fact that Joe lost her job. We were. We were going to have to move flats anyway, and she was looking at going just for a month away at the beginning. And then the more we talked about it, Mexico's an expensive flight, but we were told it's cheap to live over there. Spoiler alert. It's no. It's no. That. That was fake news. The American residents that have moved over there since lockdown have made everything quite expensive where we're safe anyway. So, yeah, just the more we thought about it was like, well, we're gonna have to move this anyway. Why not live in Mexico? And I just wanted to see, you know, we're talking a little bit content. And quite a lot of the stuff I do freelance is online. So I was just like, maybe I could just wander around a new country and discover the underground music scene, and maybe it would get enough attention that I would get. That would turn into Patreon subscriptions and I'd be able to just do it as a job full time. Didn't really work out whether I did end up running up my first ever credit card. I'm still paying after now. But do you know what, Stig? It was liberating and it was very. What I know is I'm getting closer to that dream and, you know, probably I couldn't afford to try it again this year, but maybe, hopefully, maybe this winter I could maybe get away again and go somewhere interesting because I suppose it's like if money was no object, that would be what I would love to do. I've never leave Glasgow. I never leave. Well, I'd never leave Scotland anyway. I feel like this is a beautiful country. It's got so much to offer and the music scene here is great, you know, no matter when you go to other countries, yet to find anywhere as small and as brilliant as Glasgow. So I. If money was no object, it'd be great to just go away for the winter.
• 34:26
  Speaker B: Was it challenging coming back, Mark? Because obviously challenge and leaving, that's a big challenge. I mean, upheaval, I'm away.
• 34:33
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 34:34
  Speaker B: Getting rid of all your belongings, setting up camp and a whole other continent, other languages.
• 34:38
  Speaker A: I mean, I don't want to say so because I think it was, it was. I mean, unfortunately the last month I spent there was probably the best month because we just got a really. It was quite a hectic place. Mexico, it's quite hectic. So the last place we stayed was actually quite. It was called. It was actually really quite peaceful and I was like. I sort of. I did get a. An insight into maybe how I'd like to spend my retirement.
• 35:01
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 35:02
  Speaker A: Era. But it wasn't. It wasn't really challenging to come back because I'd already planned to come back for festival season anyway.
• 35:08
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 35:08
  Speaker A: The question was, was whether was I going to return straight back to Mexico after festival season or was it going to go somewhere else. And the, the reality is that financially I can. I do it and I, and I. I didn't. My Spanish was. Is rubbish. So you need to. Well, I remember being at school not to music lessons and language lessons. Didn't take them seriously and I, I regret that, man. I really wish I'd stuck in. In the languages. It's harder though that you get.
• 35:35
  Speaker B: I get that. And again. And I think back, looking back at my music experience in school music, was there something that talked to me in music?
• 35:43
  Speaker A: I mean. No, no, I'm not. I don't want to throw shade at former teachers or anything, but just like it was not. It wasn't. You were set up to fail. It wasn't. I think, I mean, nowadays in the music scene, I know people that do teach music and stuff and I'm like, wow, they'd be a great teacher. That'd been inspiring teacher to have. But I don't know if it was a lack of money or in, I don't know, the infrastructure, but it was.
• 36:05
  Speaker B: About a joke, a lot of that. Got a few more questions coming in, Mark. I might give a couple of shout outs to you. Let's say a shout to Louise. She says, morning, everyone. Happy Monday. Big shout out to DJ Jackie as well. Gordon and Inverness Shine. He says, would Mark consider traveling again after his Mexico adventures with your laptop? I guess you can have answered that.
• 36:26
  Speaker A: Well, I think he's having a weep. He's having a problem because I lost my laptop and.
• 36:30
  Speaker B: Okay, day two. Oh, I remember seeing this man. I remember seeing Facebook.
• 36:38
  Speaker A: Day one or day two, we arrive in Oaxaca, which is a beautiful place. We should spend longer. And then I realized, you know, I woke up the next day and even though I've been drinking Mezcal, I felt fresh.
• 36:49
  Speaker B: Where's mezcal? What's that?
• 36:50
  Speaker A: Mezcal is like there. It's like people compare it to, but it's not. It's from the same plant. I think of something. There's a relation to it, but it tastes completely different. It's more like a smoky malt.
• 37:01
  Speaker B: Okay. But.
• 37:02
  Speaker A: Oh, it's great, man. It's a. It's an instant. It's a really nice high you get. And if it's. If it's the real stuff, it's not. It doesn't really get used by hangovers. Allegedly. But I woke up feeling good. I was just glad to be there. And I had all this footage, you know, I was going to do, just edit, you know, traveling from London to Can to Oaxaca, and I was just excited. I was like, you know, day one or day two, and then there was no laptop there. And. And, you know, I just hit the fear. But I. I retraced my steps and otherwise I hadn't done anything stupid. I hadn't went. Taken it to the pub or anything like that. And I was like, it's in that security, you know, the, you know, I was just tired, man. I've just been traveling for a couple of days. And the guy, you know, was an aggressive security guy's like, hurry up, you know, kind of thing. And I've just. The box didn't. The laptop was too big for the other box. There was two boxes. So I knew exactly when I'd left it. When I thought about it, they. They said, what kind of laptop is it? And they were looking at a laptop and you could tell that they were trying to lie, that then they went, oh, there's no laptop here. But when we started asking for a police report number and insurance numbers. This is the miraculously found it. But then I went back to get the laptop. I had to fly all the way back to Cancun airport and it was shut for the weekend. So I had to cancel another flight and I had to stay in a place called San Marilla's something and then I finally got it back in the Monday so it cost me a fortune man to I had to pay for flights. That's what's in the credit card was there in case an emergency happened in day two and the adventure happened. So that's what he's referring to that I would take my laptop with me. To be honest it wasn't my fault and I was very careful with my laptop.
• 38:41
  Speaker B: Any destinations in mind for your next potential trip?
• 38:45
  Speaker A: Well the, you know the. I would like to just do all the. The big European cities. You know I would like to go to, you know, Amsterdam, Rotterdam, Berlin just to find the scenes. That would be great. But I suppose if you're wanting to get. You're quite limited. If you're wanting to go somewhere warm in the winter this that's affordable and that's sort of.
• 39:15
  Speaker B: That's why we're all wanting to know Mark.
• 39:17
  Speaker A: Okay. Yeah, no, I've been looking in. No, I say Vietnam. Vietnam, Thailand. I suppose these are the kind of places that seem affordable and hot in the summer but it's right in the winter. But I don't know what. What kind of music scenes they've got. So the answer is I don't know.
• 39:31
  Speaker B: But make sure you just check out Mark's channel for travel advice.
• 39:35
  Speaker A: For travel advice. What not to do. Don't leave your laptop in Cancun. Oh, here's a bit of travel advice. Don't go to Cancun airport at all. Just go to Mexico City or something. There's something wrong with that place. That was the worst part of Mexico is Cancun. It's spring break. It's like spring break. Woo. It's an America. It's US people.
• 39:53
  Speaker B: Haven't.
• 39:53
  Speaker A: It's US people. Blackpool.
• 39:55
  Speaker B: So Cancun Airport. TripAdvisor or something wrong.
• 39:58
  Speaker A: Something wrong with Cancun Airport, man. Stay away from Cancun.
• 40:02
  Speaker B: Let's play some more music. Mark celebrating a new album. Dreams are mental. Gonna play catch next. Talk about that.
• 40:09
  Speaker A: Yeah. So the catch is the small print. The. The you know when it. Everything's all going well and then there's a catch. There's always a catch in there. But what I like to think about it is a more positive way is catching yourself the catch before you say something stupid like, you know, that way where you just stop yourself getting involved. Just. You catch your breath. It's the catch. And it's sort of just about like. I think just like having a panic attack as well. I think I wrote this once after I had a panic attack. Once. No, that happens very often. But yeah, just learning to breathe. Learning to breathe. And then also just thinking about, you know, the advice is like, it could be worse, but then you actually. You realize it could be worse. So.
• 40:56
  Speaker C: So.
• 40:57
  Speaker A: Or it gets worse. Or it gets worse. Actually gets worse. So I. It's. I'm trying. There's a bit of positivity in there. It's not all. I wanted to make it, you know, like a lot of gyro stuff. I want to. We want to talk about the dark, but then let the light in. And I think that's. But is that light a nuclear light? I don't know. I don't know. Some people think it's fun and so if you. I hope everyone has fun to this song.
• 41:24
  Speaker B: Let's hear it. Let's see.
• 41:37
  Speaker C: Gently let scheme cause a console skull duggery so busy it's not funny. Dizzy, spun and fuzzy brought down to earth I was roundhouse kicked well founded. Getting punched about once per month Helps me keep well grounded. Overall I'm more well rounded. Link up the subconscious with the odd knockout. Bless thyself with wisdom to maybe shut up about stuff we don't know much about. Still chase the dun and joy that can make me naive. And I know that dreams are mental. But I still choose to believe casual dream. You're at your death with a fresher face fresh in there wearing boots up to your neck. Get those feet under the desk. We are here for what is next. We are here for what is next. We are here for what is next.
• 42:54
  Speaker A: As belt of a pay per straw.
• 42:59
  Speaker C: Man Tough to tell these days who's truly in your corner. I stood up for few. I flew into the eye. I rescued dog from fire. So today well, why can't I?
• 43:18
  Speaker A: What?
• 43:18
  Speaker C: Beside friend sores through my earlobes with anemo ptsdadhdoc seesaw as hard as I tried today I can't even leave the flat foot landlocked by the landlord. And I tide the wave of panic the psychic spake of heart be palpitations how can I complain when bombs rain down on nations? The perfect early sunrise conceals a bloody mess. A bright door in the sky Bringing bread or certain death Catch a dream with a fresh of brace Fresh in there where it goes up to your neck get those feet out of the desk. We are here for what is next we are here for what is next we are here for what is next Gallop I show Gallop watch me gallop away Gallop star drop Gallop watch me gallop away Gallop See me.
• 45:00
  Speaker B: Jelly baby's the catch tank from the new album Dreams Are Mental. I had your mic turned down. Say that again, please.
• 45:09
  Speaker A: Shout outs to Lily from Post Cold Prom Queen, who's on the backing vocals there.
• 45:14
  Speaker B: Nice.
• 45:15
  Speaker A: Because that song was just. It was missing something, you know, it was just really missing something. I could have quite figured out what it was. We've got a few different synth players involved in the album and I tried. They couldn't really find the right thing. And then asked Lily and she just added some really nice harmonies and. Yeah, so shout out Nice.
• 45:34
  Speaker B: Kirsty says you should get in touch with Geography of the Moon. They tour all over Southeast Asia.
• 45:40
  Speaker A: I know Geography of the Moon.
• 45:41
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 45:41
  Speaker A: I do know Geography Moon. We've got a mutual friend. I can't remember who it is, but Geography, the moon. I've tried to put them on a few festivals in Scotland before, but the dates have never matched up. But they're a good band and I've. I've spoke to them only online, but I think they watch the show and stuff. So. Yeah, that's a good show. Yeah, it's a good shoot.
• 46:02
  Speaker B: Derek McCutcheon says, what's a way with this gig? Thinking about the old pivot. Pivot days.
• 46:07
  Speaker A: All right, you shout.
• 46:09
  Speaker B: What can you talk about Mark Foot? You know, I mean, incriminating everybody or.
• 46:13
  Speaker A: Do you know what?
• 46:14
  Speaker B: I think FM radio and it's daytime.
• 46:18
  Speaker A: You know, if that's the one good thing. If I finish the. If I finish with the band, then I can do the tell all book.
• 46:22
  Speaker B: The book would be good.
• 46:23
  Speaker A: Yeah. So maybe it's time for the book. I don't know. There's been loads of wild gigs. I mean, wilder than the people days. Because the people. Even though I was still quite young and stripper, I was still in charge of the bookings. So there was an air of professionalism, I would say an ear of professionalism, definitely. The crazy gigs were usually when you're. When you're touring, you know, because you're going to Brixton or whatever, because we're all in our, you know, you know, mid-20s or early 20s. So then nobody's we don't. We don't know the rules yet. You know, nowadays, you know that you don't get drunk before a gig. You certainly. As you get older, you realize you can't do a gig with a hangover. So I suppose sort of crazy ones is like the. You know, we got booed off stage at a wrestling show once for Insane Championship Wrestling. Icw.
• 47:18
  Speaker B: Yeah. They always had chessing ones. You get booked for the R audience or something like that, Mark. They're always the ones.
• 47:24
  Speaker A: That just happened to us last month, we got. We were playing the Big Burn Supper, and It was Michelle McManus, Houston. It was mellow party, lots of really amazing acoustic acts. You know, like, lovely acapella singing, nice Scottish fiddly, trad stuff. And then we go on and just ruin everybody.
• 47:47
  Speaker B: There comes a dissonance.
• 47:49
  Speaker A: And then, you know, everyone just left. Well, not everyone, but the people that stayed enjoyed it. That's the positive.
• 47:55
  Speaker B: Yeah, but.
• 47:55
  Speaker A: Yeah, I'll have a think. Derek. I'm gonna. I'm gonna. And I'll come on your show, Derek, as well. So have a. We think of some. And then the book's coming soon, though. I want to keep something for the book.
• 48:05
  Speaker B: What are you gonna call your bookmark? I keep threatening to write a book day, but. Because there's things that I would like to tell people that I can't tell people. But yeah, then if I get this.
• 48:12
  Speaker A: Thing, though, because it's like, once you do it. Because I was. I said, I have actually been writing chapters, you know, for years.
• 48:18
  Speaker B: Okay, cool.
• 48:19
  Speaker A: Just like the odd. We better hear them. Nothing serious, but just like, you know, when I think of a good story, I just go.
• 48:25
  Speaker B: Right.
• 48:25
  Speaker A: I should jot that down while it's, you know.
• 48:27
  Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, it's a good.
• 48:28
  Speaker A: Because, you know, all these memories, they just come and go, they disappear and then they come back. So I've not got. I've not got a name for it. Okay, but you do think, like, for it to be good, you need to use the real names. And then if you. But then it's like that person will have their version of the story as well, and they wouldn't like it.
• 48:45
  Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, I get that. Lemmy's book, for example. Lemmy grew up with the same neighborhood as me, and I've got an awkward. He's. He didn't change the names. Put it that way.
• 48:55
  Speaker A: Yeah. He's not changing them.
• 48:56
  Speaker B: He's not changing names. Yeah. I mean, in his book. And that's. Maybe. I know. Darn Loki didn't change his name. Dealing his first book.
• 49:02
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 49:03
  Speaker B: And that maybe was something he regrets then, you know, I mean, maybe a wee bit.
• 49:06
  Speaker A: Well, I think he did. He did see that. Well, he's. New things about the trauma industrial complex is about maybe oversharing.
• 49:13
  Speaker B: So I think he actually does.
• 49:15
  Speaker A: I really want to see Dom's new show because I think it maybe it'd be probably quite worthwhile for me to see because I've always kept my private life quite private. You know, it's like people may think that because I'm sharing social media all the time, but I don't. I don't. You know, I don't go any old stuff for school and people that. I don't want people. I keep my private life private. But I think if you're doing a book, you would need to be good. You've got to give. You've got to give up some of your. Your things, didn't you? And you've got to. But I mean, I think, you know, that's why Lummy's book was interesting, though. You could tell that he didn't make. He could tell he was telling the truth because it doesn't make himself come across well in it. It's. It's the.
• 49:51
  Speaker B: Yeah, it's truthful. Yes.
• 49:53
  Speaker A: I'm guessing it sounds to me it's honest.
• 49:55
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 49:56
  Speaker A: But, you know, it's the Allen part. The alternatives that I won. Partridge, needless to say, I had the last laugh. And I'm not going to name anybody, but I have read a couple or heard a couple audiobooks from musicians who do that. You know, it's like, then I did this and it was brilliant and I'm an eye grate. Yeah, that's really dull for me.
• 50:14
  Speaker B: Of course it is.
• 50:14
  Speaker A: I want to hear the failure. That's interesting. The best documentary I've ever seen is Dig, about Brian Jonestown Massacre and Andy Warros. And both of them hated it because that was a director from outside their world filmed that. But it made them both famous. And actually interviewed Anton for Brian Jones to Massacre last week.
• 50:34
  Speaker B: Nice.
• 50:35
  Speaker A: And he edited the video. But yeah.
• 50:39
  Speaker B: Let's talk a bit about the launch party Mark for the new album and the date for that reminded me of.
• 50:44
  Speaker A: The date for that Saturday, the 29th of March. Actually.
• 50:48
  Speaker B: No, Slayer. A new venue to me.
• 50:51
  Speaker A: What did it used to be?
• 50:52
  Speaker B: I don't know, Mark. My first time, and it was at the Mob Deep show about a month ago. Yeah, good venue.
• 50:58
  Speaker A: Did you enjoy it?
• 50:59
  Speaker B: Yeah, good venue. Decent enough crowd for the Mob Deep show sound wasn't the greatest, but I guess I don't think they're used to doing hip hop. I'm going to put it down at that. I think it was just a bit bassy and maybe the room was a bit.
• 51:11
  Speaker A: It's a problem way.
• 51:12
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 51:13
  Speaker A: Life Hip hop.
• 51:13
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 51:14
  Speaker A: All over. All across the board. At times. I think I'm pretty confident it'll be all right. I think we've got, we've got. I seen the first time I went was. And Dancer Dub. I don't know if you know them.
• 51:24
  Speaker B: I'd know the name. I, I, I, I probably know. Yeah.
• 51:29
  Speaker A: Three Mongol. Sci Fi stuff. And then he started a kind of trad band. So it's kind of like a modern take on traditional Scottish music. They sounded brilliant. And the more importantly the, the crew, the bouncers. I was with my friend James Sweeney. RIP passed away recently. But you know, the way that they, they treated, you know, my friend that was in a wheelchair and it just had a good vibe, you know, from the bouncers to the bar stuff. And it's, it's, it's Hamilton, the guy that runs audio. It's involved.
• 51:59
  Speaker B: Okay. Okay.
• 52:00
  Speaker A: So he's quite. I've always found him. He's all right, straightforward guy. So we thought we'd do it. Just try to find that right number. There's a. Sorry for the. Something like an album launch, you want to go big. And our last album launch was at stereo, so I wanted to go bigger than stereo. I was going to go for St. Luke's but because mugstock Festival got cancelled last year, we stepped in at the last minute to play the Glasgow thing. I felt like we just played St. Luke's you know, photographs and video footage from there.
• 52:32
  Speaker B: That was the Henge gig.
• 52:34
  Speaker A: That was the Henge one. Yeah.
• 52:35
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 52:36
  Speaker A: And you know, I just feel like. I think for an album launch it's got to be special. It's got to be somebody you haven't played ever before or, or somewhere you haven't played for a very long time.
• 52:43
  Speaker B: Yep.
• 52:44
  Speaker A: And slays 550 capacity. I'm not saying we'll sell that out. I don't know. I mean, right now I don't think we're going to sell it, but, but there's a ticket. Teams are going. Well, though, it's going to be. It's going to be busy. It's good. People are going. We've got ocean views. Supporting.
• 52:59
  Speaker B: Tell me about ocean views. I'm not sure.
• 53:01
  Speaker A: Just a young man. Just a young airship. I met them once.
• 53:04
  Speaker B: So is that you? So looking back to your neighborhoods and saying, look, it's hard. Hard enough to get any sort of shine.
• 53:10
  Speaker A: So that's what I thought. I thought like it's hard because so many people wanted to play and I just tried to think, you know, what's the right thing you're doing. And I just, you know, when I started it we were, you know, from Ayrshire and yeah, I just felt it was quite hard to break it up. That's why I had to create my own we scene because maybe they would let us into theirs. So I thought let's bring an airsher band in. They're great. They're great, man. Really. They make, they're making anthems at age of 23, you know, in the anthems they're gonna, they're going places. So I thought get them in. I thought I'd bring CCTV to do the skiing. Cipher.
• 53:51
  Speaker B: Yep.
• 53:51
  Speaker A: Because obviously I've done the Cipher thing before for my show. It gives like a few rappers in cuz a lot of the audience maybe don't know much about Scottish hip hop but I think if you just get everybody to do like a wee song or two each, it's. It works, it can work quite well in that environment. And I thought, well, they guys are doing a good job with the. The scheming nights.
• 54:08
  Speaker B: Definitely. Yep.
• 54:09
  Speaker A: So yeah, they're on it. And then Wood wife is confirmed. The who's would wave tell us like a three piece. They're amazing. Freya is an absolute rock star. So that they played our festival in Aaron last year, the Resources Fest and they blew me away.
• 54:27
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 54:28
  Speaker A: And just, just bringing good vibes like.
• 54:29
  Speaker B: You know, sounds great.
• 54:31
  Speaker A: The whole band are just nice. There's not going to be any diva behavior. It's just going to be nice people. So I think that was important. And, and so yeah, and in the after party we've got Yoko Pono's mobile disco.
• 54:42
  Speaker B: Nice.
• 54:42
  Speaker A: And we have more famous and maybe one other dj. I've got space for one more.
• 54:47
  Speaker B: Where is the after party?
• 54:48
  Speaker A: It's in Slate. So They've got a second room called Slay Studio but there's only 100 tickets for that. I'm not joking about that one. You need to buy your ticket for the after party because that is selling. The after party is definitely selling because it's only 100 cap and we get 550 for the main bit.
• 55:03
  Speaker B: Yeah, that makes sense that that will go quick or quicker than the big room. How do people get tickets for that?
• 55:09
  Speaker A: Mark, we are. Tickets are available on Skittle Band Camp Eventbrite and Ticket Scotland. So just search for Gyro Babies and if you're. And if you want, if you like to be old school and go in and get a physical ticket, you can go at the Ticket Scotland building, right across from the Blue Lagoon at Central Tunnel.
• 55:30
  Speaker B: And what's your thoughts for the Gyro Babies on that night? Is it going to be like. I hate to say that. Well, is it a final Gyro baby show for the time being.
• 55:40
  Speaker A: I mean, it could be the last Glasgow show.
• 55:42
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 55:43
  Speaker A: For the time being, it's. We've got a couple of festivals confirmed. So we're playing. Where are we playing? We're playing Knock and Goric Festival. We're playing Eden Festival. Playing the main stage at Eden, which is. It's taken us 15 years to get.
• 55:57
  Speaker B: And what lineup Eden's got this year, Bob's villain. I think I'll have to head down and camp somewhere Eden this year. And yeah, that's so what night he's playing Eden.
• 56:09
  Speaker A: We're playing the Friday, so we're playing the main stage. So I'd imagine we go in quite early. But we did request that we don't mind playing, but not like the morning, you know, So I think, I think it's 5:00. No, that's fine, that's fine. I've played the main stages way as a cameo for Signal. As a cameo for the Dijons.
• 56:30
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 56:31
  Speaker A: So it's good that our band's finally getting our promotion, so. But we've got another few promotions that.
• 56:36
  Speaker B: We call it the promotion as a promotion. Okay.
• 56:39
  Speaker A: So it's a fact, we're going to play about five festivals and then we're going to look at it. Hopefully everything goes well and then we can maybe think about doing a we tour. But right now, right now it makes no sense. The money involved, the touring, it's just, it's just tiring, man. I'm just a bit exhausted. I've. I give. I've put a lot in.
• 56:58
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 56:59
  Speaker A: And I, I don't make it. I don't have enough money to actually lose money. So it's like we'll just, we'll get this Spotify thing. But especially.
• 57:07
  Speaker B: Let's talk about that because we're coming to the end of the show in about 10 minutes and I might cover a couple of things. I might talk about live music. Live music's hard now, Mark. It's always been hard, it's really hard now.
• 57:18
  Speaker A: But Also I'm aware that I don't want to just keep. The more that we, the more that we, we complain, the more are bashing it and the more that, you know, confidence leaves this, the sure, okay, so it's okay. But I suppose the best way to put it is as musicians are always the last people to get paid. You know, you pay, you invest and you invest a lot of time and money in rehearsing, writing, recording and then you've got to pay for all the distribution and the, the merch up front and hope that it sells. And it feels like. So it's like I don't, it's okay if you've got like a, a middle class, upper class background or you're making good money. I mean it'd be great to just be able to say here I like playing live, I'm going to go on tour and we're all going to just stay in hotels and it'll be great and it doesn't matter if 10 people turn up. But the reality is, is that the place of petrol's doubled, accommodations doubled everything's price of everything's going through the roof but yet we're getting asked to either take a smaller fee or reduce our ticket prices and it's just like I can't, I don't have the energy, the patience or the, the money to just think about a tour right now. Yeah, but maybe, maybe, maybe the album goes quite well and then things change.
• 58:37
  Speaker B: I think so Matt. And also feel like obviously it's been tough coming out of COVID for and the cost of living with the music industry, but I do feel a little bit late at the end, the end of the tunnel for grassroots music saying things like what user then what scheme hanger then yeah, things are happening still. You know what I mean? People have got the good energy for it and people are still coming out to go to these shows and support the local musicians and turning up.
• 59:03
  Speaker A: So yeah, it's going to be fine. Everything's going to be okay. I'm just having a moan. But you've got I think just, just having that we stop. There's just, just young people didn't get taken out of the routine.
• 59:13
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 59:14
  Speaker A: And going that's it. But now you see people with scheme hanging and Atlas Works and you know, yes, there's lots of people doing stuff and you know, people just, young people just need to rediscover that the buzz that live music can give you. You know, when you see good music live, there's nothing better. Making new friends Or. Or it's great to see a band that's playing in front of 10 people just suddenly become famous and just so much good stuff. But the bad stuff is, like, right now I'm getting a backlash because I'm not put. Because my album's not in Spotify. Let's talk.
• 59:43
  Speaker B: Let's talk about that. I'm a Spotify user myself, Mark. Right.
• 59:45
  Speaker A: But I get.
• 59:46
  Speaker B: I get it as a musician. I get nothing back to Spotify.
• 59:50
  Speaker A: You know, I'm a hypocrite because I've got that. But, you know, you and me, we need that. And I've got YouTube Premium as well. It's my job to listen to music and listen to podcasts and stuff. I don't. I'm not listening adverts. Adverts do my. Nothing.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker A: So I think it's a great app. I mean, that's why it's successful. The. So easy to have every song on your phone. I enjoy even making apart from the.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker B: Gyro Baby song here.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker A: It will be on the streaming platforms eventually. I can't believe that so many people are pissed off. Sorry. I can't believe so many people are upset at me because I've chosen to bring it on Bandcamp only. So I've got Bandcamp Pro, which means you can't even stream it on Bandcamp. You need to buy the album to listen to it. It's eight pound, if you like the Gyro Babies, it's. Put eight quid and you'll get an instant download today.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker B: What is it, 12 tracks or something like that?
• 1:00:41
  Speaker A: 12 tracks?
• 1:00:42
  Speaker B: Yep.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker A: 12 tracks for eight quid. And if you. And if you buy a CD or a. You know, a CD for a terror or a vinyl, I think it's 25 all Balkans. You get an instant download today. You don't need to wait till I decide to put it on a streaming platform. But it's just been quite strange to have people complaining and saying that I'm wrong and I shouldn't do that. It's like it's. It's. Being a musician is tough enough as it is just now. We have no control over the cost of living. We have no control over anything. But we do have control over just.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker B: Saying here, where we're putting the music.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker A: I'm putting out in Bandcamp. You need to pay to listen to it just now.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker A: And you've got to see it this way. It's as a thank you to the people that are supporting us, saying to them, you get to hear it first. Exclusively because you're actually supporting us. And then all the passive people that don't really care about the band that much or they like us a wee bit, or they're curious and want to check it. Well, they can wait for the streaming platforms and. Do you. Do you understand? You understand what I'm.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker B: Yeah, I get you. I get it, Mark. I totally get it. But also get it from the layperson's perspective because they've just got this, the app, Spotify, and they just might listen to your album. They're not bothered about the streaming conversion. They'll bother me. But I guess most people do care about. But they don't care enough to go into Band Camp if, you know, I. I know.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker A: I get it. I do get it. It's just. I'm surprised that people would attack me for it.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker B: Yeah, I supplies me as well. Band Camp. Super easy, folks. Super easy as well. And I quite like Band Camp because you get me. You actually start to show your recollection.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker A: And I like that. I like that as well.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker B: Like looking for other people's collections on Band Camp.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker A: You know, if I see sometimes. Sometimes you even get like a notification saying Stag has bought an album or something like that.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker B: 100.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker A: And it's like, if Stag buys an album or if Derek buys an album.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker B: Well, okay, yeah, we're going to check it.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker A: We're going to check this. So I think it's a. I think it's a great platform. And, you know, the other good thing about it is if you download this album, it's gonna be. You're gonna need intentionally download it. You put it on your best headphones or your. Your best speakers and actually listen and connect with the music. Don't just play two songs and then skip to another something else on an app. This is an intentional album. I want you to treat yourself. Eight quid. Treat yourself to the album. Get your support yourself, a nice drink, get the speakers on, get the headphones on, go for a walk and a nice day, whatever. But just I want people to actually listen to this album more than once. It's not a disposable album. You paid eight quid for it, so you're gonna need to listen to it to get your money's worth.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker B: Yep.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker A: And the more you listen to it, hopefully the more Easter eggs you'll find within the album.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker A: You understand the narrative of the storytelling from the beginning to the end a bit better. And maybe you won't and maybe that's fine.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker B: Yeah, totally.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker A: The album should. It should just Be songs that people can enjoy. But if you really want to. Some people don't care about lyrics. Some people do.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker B: So anyway, go and support the album, folks.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker A: Was that. Did I feel like I was. I felt like I was shouting at the people there.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker B: You were doing your Bob dildo. Fly back, bro. I'm like that. I like that's passion for your music and for.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker A: Sorry. It's Monday morning. I've just woke up.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker B: It's fine, man.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker A: It's a very good album and it's very fun.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker B: Gyro Baby's best project. General Babies make great projects. Songwriting on. It's some of your best work, if not the best work you've done. Mark, super proud to celebrate this album. We this morning. So thanks for coming in. That's why I wanted to get you in this morning because, I mean I heard that. This is amazing. I wanted to tell you that and I thought let's tell Mark that on the radio. And rather than tell him in a dodgy club somewhere. Speaker on you. I mean anybody hears us.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker A: I appreciate it because we've not had any validation yet. Sticks. It's because it is a mystical album that nobody can hear. So I came in Friday and a few people have sent me a nice message. A couple folk. But it's not the same because by doing it this way I'm losing a lot of buzz and I'm losing a lot of listeners right now.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker B: So that's only. You've only just staggered on that. That's awesome.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker A: But it's great to hear. It really is good because you know that self doubt is very high when. But I'll. Well, ask for me anyway when I've just finished something because I've listened to the mixing too much. I'm too involved. So it's good that if other people enjoy it, that's an absolute bonus.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker B: We. Sorry to interrupt you. We're going to come to end the show and I want to play hey, Fancy man in a minute. Or Fancy Man.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker A: Yes. New single man.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker B: Tell us about this. Yeah.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker A: So this is a new single. It's called Her Fancy Man. It features the. Our first ever brass band. We've got Callum for Bombs. Callum and Colin for Bombs gear. And Izzy Flower from Race Car on the brass section. And it's a song about a man about town. A man about town with a plot of land. He only smokes when he's in Amsterdam. You know, he's in the gym selling crypto scams. He's. He's a fancy man.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker B: Nice. I want to Say a couple shouts when we finish, Mark, shout to Leah. She says, hi, Martin, Stig. Hope he's all done. Both doing good. Deborah says bought on Band Camp and well worth it.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker A: Oh, amazing. Thank you.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker B: Go and support the music, folks. Seeing you buy music, you value it, man. You will. You. You'll listen to it deeper, you know what I mean? You will. You've invested in that artist, you invest in that music.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker A: And I fancy manager in all platforms. So all the people that insist on Spotify, it'll be out Thursday on every platform and hopefully it's enough to convince you to give the album a wee punt.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker B: We've got a minute left, Matt. I want you going to full punt mode. Full punt mode for the next minute. Yep.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker A: Dreams are mental. Out now on Bandcamp album launch March 29 on. Tickets available on schedule. Just. You know what, just type in Gyro Baby's album launch and there'll be about four websites. Or maybe you want to. Maybe you're a person that likes a physical ticket. In that case, just go to the ticket Scotland building across the blue lagoon, under the tunnel across for the vape shop. And yeah, just get. Treat yourself. Treat yourself for a night. This is probably. I'm not. I don't want to say last gig in Glasgow because we don't know what the future holds, but this is probably the last gig in Glasgow for a very long time and unless you're going to the festivals, you're not going to probably seize the rest of the year. And it would mean a lot, man. We put a lot of work into it. It'd be great to pack the place out. And thanks to everybody who has supported it already. It really means a lot. The reaction's been good so far and I appreciate everyone who supports the. Not just the album, but also the patrons e colart Radio. Otherwise the album wouldn't have been possible either.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker B: Mark McGee, Gyro Babies. Thank you very much. Much love to the album.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker A: It was a pleasure.
• 1:07:28
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