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269. From Empath Overwhelm to Energetic Mastery · The Rochelle Christiane Podcast

• 0:02
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to the Rochelle Christian Podcast.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm Rochelle, your host.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm here to help you come back to your body, take charge of your emotions, and live life on your terms.
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_00: This podcast is a space for raw, real conversations about what it means to trust yourself, lean into your power, and create a life that feels aligned and alive.
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  SPEAKER_00: We'll explore human design, astrology, and other tools to help you understand your unique energy.
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  SPEAKER_00: More importantly, though, we're gonna talk about what it means to actually live and embody these aspects.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_00: So each week I'm gonna share stories, lessons, guidance to help you navigate life's challenges and really own your magic.
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  SPEAKER_00: So if you're ready to step up, take control, and show up as the most authentic version of you, let's begin.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome back to the podcast.
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  SPEAKER_00: Today I have Lisa Campion, who is a Reiki master, psychic counselor, and best selling author on the podcast.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna get all into psychic gifts, intuition, energy vampires, energetic boundaries, literally all of the psychic beautiful, fun things that I just love to talk about.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_00: So this episode is so good.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, I'm really excited for you to listen to this episode.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_00: I always love listening, re-listening as I edit and then go to make these little intros.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_00: But we actually recorded this, I think, like last month.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we're not too far out from recording, whereas all the rest of the episodes were recorded like back in February, March, which energetically I always believe that what comes through whenever it comes through is always for the moment.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like every time I listen, so even if I recorded something six months ago and I listened to it as I'm editing, I'm like, whoa, this message is for me.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I know that it's for more than just me, like right now.
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  SPEAKER_00: So anyway, this episode was a lot of fun.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's a few things that I wanted to just mention, drop in before we really get into this.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, so this past week was the full moon in Aries.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_00: I know I'm feeling so much frustration, so much like anger kind of boiling to the surface, a lot of shadows.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think with Mercury having moved into Scorpio, we are gonna have feel a little bit more shadowy in our mind.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it was just square to Pluto, which is bringing some intensity, but it's also allowing and offering transformation.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because although this is death, intensity, control, power, manipulation, secrecy, all of these things, there is the archetype of the healer held within Scorpio, Pluto, and Mars, you know, um, as it relates all to Scorpio.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it might feel intense right now.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um, if you feel similar, you might be feeling really frustrated.
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  SPEAKER_00: You might be noticing your patterns.
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  SPEAKER_00: I just wrapped up a program yesterday on Clifton strengths, and it was, I didn't facilitate it.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was taking part of this.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we talked about ourselves, um, how we can use strengths to just do our own inner work.
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  SPEAKER_00: And just some really powerful themes came up for me that I will be reflecting on and doing the work of.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_00: And really, you know, in this episode, we talk about energetic protection, we talk about energy vampires, people who just sort of like suck the energy from us, you know, and you feel exhausted afterwards.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's interesting as I was editing and re-listening, I know that there was this part in my life back in my 20s, maybe even my early 30s, when I was so lost, when I didn't even see myself, when I didn't even know who I was, where like I was that person.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because I know that I was, I've always been really empathetic.
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  SPEAKER_00: I've always been really sensitive.
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  SPEAKER_00: But there was a time where I would just like tell my problems to anybody that would listen.
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  SPEAKER_00: I would just like go on and on and on.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it was like this, it was like on loop and repeat, and it wasn't solving any problems, right?
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_00: And then there came a point where I had to take full responsibility and just like keep my issues to myself to move through them.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_00: And I apologize if you can hear my kids screaming, actually, specifically my son screaming in the background.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_00: We have fall break this week, so everybody's at home.
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  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, that program was really beautiful and really eye-opening.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_00: I also launched a secret podcast.
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  SPEAKER_00: So if you are interested in joining the journey over there, uh the link is down below so you can learn a little bit more about like what it is, what I'll be talking about, how you can access it, all the things down below.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the Inner Mother Collective is also available.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_00: So oh my gosh, the Inner Mother Collective, I'm obsessed.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_00: This is literally for women, for entrepreneurs.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_00: Like you don't have to be a mother to be there.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_00: This is we have women in there that are not mothers, but we're all birthing something, whether wherever we're at on our journey.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but really just we're there to support each other.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_00: We're there to grow together.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_00: This is this new age sort of aquarian vibe of community.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're again supporting each other, which I was so drawn to this because I know in my own reality, in my own current experience, I need support, I need community.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_00: And it's not something that I have in my physical space right now.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_00: So this is all housed over there, but you get moon circles, you get virtual gatherings, you get, we're doing through, we're going through a business mastermind as it relates to human design and astrology, which has been so eye-opening.
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  SPEAKER_00: We've had two sessions and all of the replays are in there.
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  SPEAKER_00: But and when you come in, you are automatically an affiliate.
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  SPEAKER_00: So this isn't just about one person having all of the profits, I guess, of this space.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're here to resource each other in more ways than just financially.
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  SPEAKER_00: But it really is a beautiful container, beautiful space.
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  SPEAKER_00: So if you want to join us over the Inner Mother Collective, you can click below.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_00: Again, we're still going through this business mastermind.
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  SPEAKER_00: We've had two sections, so you can catch the replays for those.
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  SPEAKER_00: Moon circles are in there.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'll do random little workshops.
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  SPEAKER_00: The secret podcast is there as well as on another platform.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_00: But you'll get access to that.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's just so much beauty and support in there.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then the last thing is Astro Design School starts October 14th.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is a six-month journey.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're going through, we're learning and we're embodying.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's six months because I believe this is the time it takes to really learn and integrate all the information.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're also going through the zodiac in polarities.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we'll be, you know, module one, each module is an entire month.
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  SPEAKER_00: So module one is human design and astrology foundations, but we're also going to be going through the Libra Aries axis, understanding what that means, how it shows up, where it is in your chart.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then each month, month we have practices to really come into this energy.
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  SPEAKER_00: So come into what Aries and Libra means for you.
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  SPEAKER_00: And also we're doing practices around drawing our own chart, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Like reading our own chart, understanding all the aspects.
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  SPEAKER_00: So there's a lot of actual practices in there.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's not just an intellectual program.
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  SPEAKER_00: I really, really want you to anchor in and embody it.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that again is starting October 14th.
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  SPEAKER_00: The link is down the bio.
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  SPEAKER_00: The link is down in my bio.
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  SPEAKER_00: The link is down below in the show notes.
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  SPEAKER_00: You can get everything in there.
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  SPEAKER_00: I am so grateful that you're here, that you're listening.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, follow Lisa on socials, her links, her website, her Instagram, her podcast.
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  SPEAKER_00: Everything you need to know is linked in the show notes.
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  SPEAKER_00: Mine is, if you're not following me, it's at Rachel.christian.
• 6:55
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• 6:59
  SPEAKER_00: That's TikTok and Instagram.
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  SPEAKER_00: I also have YouTube.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's Holistic Human Design Academy.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_00: Holistic Human Design over there, but you can go click the link below.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then all the other ways to work with me, to get in contact with me.
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  SPEAKER_00: I hope you love the episode.
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  SPEAKER_00: Would love to hear from you.
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  SPEAKER_00: I love, I literally love hearing you from you guys.
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  SPEAKER_00: It makes my day.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_00: I will talk to you next time.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to the podcast.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_00: Today I have Lisa Campion, who is a Reiki master, psychic counselor, and best-selling author.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_00: And we're gonna get into all the things energy healing, Reiki.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I feel like there's so much to talk about, especially with like we just said offline with Empaths and everything that's collectively happening, just energetically, astrologically, all the things right now.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I'm really crazy.
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  SPEAKER_00: I know, I know.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's like this year, I feel like this year and last year has just been lists like absolute like stripping for so many people.
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  SPEAKER_00: A lot of people are reflecting that back to me.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so I think, you know, understanding how to protect ourselves energetically is a huge thing that we all need to be understanding more and doing more in practice now.
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  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, definitely excited to get into that.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_00: But we'll start with I'll sort of hand the floor to you if you want to just kind of share your story as much or as little as you'd like about how you kind of got into this work and how it evolved for you.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, this one of I'm one of those, you know, I see dead people kids.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_01: So I was really born with my psychic gift.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_01: And I was born in the 60s, um, just outside Boston.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, back then it was a really weird thing to be.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I I was always, you know, seeing spirits, seeing angels, seeing dead people.
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  SPEAKER_01: I when I was little, I called them the gray people.
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  SPEAKER_01: I didn't really knew I didn't really know they were dead.
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  SPEAKER_01: It took me a minute to figure that out, but um, you know, I just had the full-on psychic experience.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_01: Um seeing colors, seeing reading people's auras, like uh just feeling super empathic too.
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  SPEAKER_01: So but but back then it was such an oddball thing to do.
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  SPEAKER_01: There wasn't like any conversation about it.
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  SPEAKER_01: You couldn't really talk about it without ending up in a mental hospital.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_01: You saw angels and talked to dead Uncle Fred, that's where they were gonna put you, you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: So for me, my childhood was a lot about like trying to pretend to be normal in public and also figure out like, well, what was this, you know?
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_01: And I just scoured the world for like the library for information.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_01: There just wasn't any.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_01: And I I feel so it's so much easier now where there's podcasts like this and psychics on TV and new age bookstores, and I so I I muddled along um as much as I could have been.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_01: It was funny because I was listening to your podcast today, and you were talking about transcendental transcendental meditation.
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  SPEAKER_01: My my parents were hippies and they took me to transcendental meditation in 1974.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was 10.
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  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_01: And um, so because that's what you did when you were hippie in 1974, but that's um so I learned transcendental meditation when I was 10, and I had sort of this very also, it was really challenging, but I also had some very um beautiful gifts and boosts along the way.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_01: My parents also took me to back then it was called Silva Mind Control, now it's called the Silva Method when I was in high school, and that was amazing, and then it was the 80s, and I was at university, and it was the dawn of the new age.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_01: Thank the Lord.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_01: And then there were all the things that I I started to get proper training, and that's actually when I started working as a psychic.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_01: I was 19, and um, yeah, that's kind of what started it all.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know why, I just knew it was what I was meant to do with my life.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but I quickly discovered I didn't have enough skills, so when I finished university, I went back to school and became a therapist and had you know did that for a long time together.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_01: And um then in 1990, I learned 1999, I learned Rinky.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_01: That was a pretty weird thing to do too back then.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_01: Um and you know, my whole my whole life has really been about this helping psychic sensitives and empaths really understand their gifts, step into their gifts, because I think the world needs all the healers it can get.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_01: And I feel like my mission is to train train an army of healers to go out there and save the planet.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um, because they need saving right about now.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_01: And I think so much of us have shown up at this time um during this ascension, this change shift in human consciousness to help, to help other people, to shift our own consciousness, um, you know, raise our consciousness, do a lot of spiritual evolution and sort of ride the wave of this ascension into like another, you know, level of our own spiritual development.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's what I'm here for.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I'm showing up for.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_00: I always find it so fascinating when I meet people who have had these experiences so young.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_00: Like you talk about seeing ghosts, and and I mean, was it just did you just think that you were seeing regular people and then somebody called you out on like who are you talking to?
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_00: Or you could sense that they were not like normal people.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I knew they weren't normal people.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_01: I knew they were, I didn't really know what they were.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_01: I knew other people couldn't see them.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I knew it didn't go well for me to talk about it.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_01: So I was sort of quiet about it.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_01: And like I had this like funny moment.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I knew they were dead.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_01: I knew if I really talked to them that that they would feel better and go away.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_01: But I was like 12 years old when the movie Polder Guys came out.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_01: And I went to see that movie, and there was this like you know, professional psychic, and she gives this little speech about why people get stuck and what ghosts are and how to like you know move them along.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, oh my god, somebody knows something.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, you know, blown away by that.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_01: And it started, I started watching every ghost and paranormal movie I could get my hands on because it was sort of the only place I could get education.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_01: So I got a pretty sketchy Hollywood version, like maybe 50% of it was accurate, the rest of it was Hollywood stuff, but you know, so that's kind of you know how it went for me.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um I I was told I had a really strong imagination, you know, and that they were my imaginary friends.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_01: That was sort of the thing back then.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, is it my imagination?
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think it is, but I I knew it put me in some awkward social situations a lot as a kid where like I didn't want to go to my my mom had this friend and she had a daughter my age, and but I never wanted to go there because there was a ghost there.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_01: And I was so super uncomfortable, but couldn't tell anybody why.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you know, yeah, that makes sense.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, it's interesting.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_00: For a long time, I always felt like I like didn't have any skills because I didn't see ghosts or I didn't hear things, but then I've come to realize that for me it was all feeling, like I felt so much, and that was the part of me that was always shut down.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_00: Where it's like you're too emotional, or or just being invalidated.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_00: Like if I felt uncomfortable, oh, everything's fine.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_00: What are you feeling like that for?
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_00: You know?
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_00: So it's really interesting that difference of like, I think sometimes the feeling realm maybe we don't necessarily equate with being psychic, just because it's not like physically seeing something or hearing something, and it's just an interesting one to kind of I guess understand.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_01: I still don't fully understand it, but well, I think it's like seeing is become synonymous with psychic, and that's unfortunate because there's a lot of psychic skills, psychic senses that we have.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_01: We can experience that through all of our senses, actually through all of our chakras, too.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_01: So you might seeing is the most rare and it's kind of the bit the one's the biggest pain in the neck.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_01: So it's not an easy one to have.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but maybe you have a sense of knowing.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_01: You don't know why you know, you just know that one's way more calm and way more practical.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe you just feel like you do your feel or clairsentience, you feel everything, and that means you've you're you could be an empath, you could be feeling everything, um, you know, that all the people around you are experiencing, but you also might just find yourself saying, like, I don't have a good feeling about that.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if it's you know, this doesn't feel right.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe we've we have a lot of psychic experiences in our bodies that we often don't pay attention to, unfortunately.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_01: So your body always knows what's really going on and will feel like you know, the hair stand up on the back of your neck, or you're you, you know, you feel shivers or something's your body always knows what's happening.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_01: And and then we hear, we sense.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_01: So I like the word, what are you sensing?
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_01: What are you experiencing, what are you perceiving?
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_01: Because it opens us to really all of our psychic senses, not just the seeing.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_01: I'll I'll do like psychic exercises, and people say, Well, I didn't I didn't see anything, I didn't get anything.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, Well, did you know?
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_01: But I heard this, I saw this, I smelt this, I felt this, I knew this.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_01: Like, if we open it up to all of them, then all of a sudden there's a lot there.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_00: So you think like kind of enhancing one opens the rest of them up?
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_01: I think we all have a strong one.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_01: We all sort of start with one that's our strong for you, it might be feeling, and when you really start paying attention to that and honoring that, the rest of them usually open up.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_01: And a lot of a lot of times it's like you just haven't paid attention to the feeling in your body, you haven't connected it to the feeling in your body.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_01: You sort of ignore your inner knowing.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not saying you personally, but one one in general.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_01: Um, we we dismiss the voice in our head.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_01: Because you know, if you have voices in your head, what that means you're crazy, right?
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so I think a lot of it is s sort of selective attention and that we need to put our I always used to say if I wrote a book on psychic development, I would call it pay attention.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um and I one of the exercises I really like is to start a psychic journal.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_01: Get a journal, call it your psychic journal.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_01: I actually published one called the Psychic Awakening Journal.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and just start recording all of your experiences, like your dreams, write them down.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_01: If you pull core cards, Oracle cards in the morning, write it down.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_01: All the times you get that feeling, write it down.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_01: Anytime you see signs or omens, or you know you're on the flow, you're like, you know, the universe is giving you those breadcrumbs, write it down.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and you'll be shocked about how psychic you already are, first of all.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_01: And then whatever we pay attention to grows, you know, and a lot of times these experiences are very ephemeral.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_01: We have them, it's a big giant deal in the moment, and then five minutes later we forget about it, you know, or the next day we forget about it.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_01: So recording it in the journal can kind of like you can record something on Monday, and then by the time it happens on Thursday, you might have forgot about it, but because you wrote it down, you're like, Oh yeah, I knew that was gonna happen, you know.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_01: So that's a really simple, easy way to kind of maximize what you already have and begin open to what else is going on, you know.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_01: And a lot of it is like a I think you know, you you talk a lot in your podcast about tuning into yourself, you know, like what are you feeling?
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_01: What's going on in your body?
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_01: Like what we're so our attention is so turned outward all the time, and we're gonna miss a lot, you know, so much noise in the world.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_01: We live in such a noisy, busy world.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_01: We really, really need time, quiet time, introspective time.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um, even 15 minutes.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_01: And I think like multitasking on this is a good so quiet walking, you know, quiet driving.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_01: They used to just call it walking.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_01: Now it's quiet walking.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_01: When you have like, you know, you don't put a podcast on, you don't listen to a book, you don't get on the phone and gab with a friend, you're quiet.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_01: Like I walk my dog every day.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I I quiet walk, and it's my when I don't have time to meditate, it's meditation time, or and uh also because when we're in those activities, driving, walking, doing the dishes, holding the laundry in the shower, our brain shifts into the alpha brain wave, and that's when we're the most tuit, the most psychic.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_01: So you can try this exercise, write a question in your journal, or write what do I need to know, and then go do one of those quiet walk, quiet dish, quiet, cold laundry, and then you sort of let yourself space out a little bit, let your let your brain shift into that sort of daydreaming alpha brainwave, and then kind of keep a light awareness on you might have an aha moment where you might be like, Oh, I'm really a thought pops into your mind, you know, or some awareness moves through you that is like the answer to the question you ask, you know, and that's a really simple, beautiful thing you can do.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_01: The bathtub, I call it the bathtub oracle or the shower oracle.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_01: Psychics get their vests in the shower, yeah.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_01: You know, ask the question, get into the shower, and then just what forget about it for a minute and wait and see what arises inside of you.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_00: I had a CEO of a company I used to work for, and he used to start every meeting with I was in the shower this morning.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_00: This thought came to me.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_00: It was like, but it's so true.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_00: Like for me, I used to always get them when I was running.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_00: When I like every time I would be in that state, something would come through.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, wait, I gotta stop and write this down, you know.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_00: But I love the idea of having that psychic journal because, like you said, I think sometimes these really profound things come to us, but then life happens and we move on, we completely forget about it, and then we feel like we have no like, you know, intuition or you know, even as it relates to manifestation, a lot of times I think we think, Oh, I'm not manifesting anything, but we don't realize all the little things that we actually are because we're not pausing to like find gratitude or like acknowledge those things in the moment.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and what we pay attention to, what what we honor and acknowledge is what develops and grows, right?
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_01: That's what it's like the seed you water, you know?
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and so we have we have to, I think, make time, I think we have to notice, pay attention.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_01: I think we have to honor.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_01: And the other thing is you you have to like listen to your intuition, not all the time, but some of the times, 51% of the time, you know, more often than not.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and it's not like every crazy little whim you should pay attention to.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_01: And I've seen people really take a bad turn in their life by throwing reason out, abandoning common sense and just going with their intuition, which I don't I don't think is a good idea.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but but there needs to be a balance, I think, between intuition and common sense, like really 50-50.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_01: And when we if we get the hit, the psychic impression, and we just don't ever act on it, it shuts down our intuition pretty hard, you know.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_01: And a lot of times our our higher self, our team of spirit guides will sort of test us with the little things.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like if you can't pay attention to the little things, you don't get the bigger information.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_01: And it can be really challenging because your higher self, your guides, the message isn't always easy to hear.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of times it's things we don't want to know, we don't want to hear, you know.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and that that our personal self, our ego self, our 3D self really just likes the comfort zone.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_01: We like want a nice comfy life, we want to sit on the couch and watch Netflix and snuggle the cat, you know, and your higher self has a known and it's like, yeah, you can do that for five minutes, and then it's time to move into the uh ne out of the comfort zone into the next uncomfortable thing.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_01: So a lot of times our our intuition is uncomfortable, you know, because it's asking us to grow, it's asking us to confront things that you know, maybe this isn't the right job for you, maybe this isn't the right career, maybe it's not the right marriage, relationship, you know.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe like I don't know, like and especially I think now in this time of change, like we're in this massive deconstruction cycle, and you know, we're all being called to let go, and you know, the old, you know, all that shedding, all that, you know, we're we're all that paradigm busting that we're in right now, and what's coming new often comes through our intuitive things, but it's it's it's super it can be super uncomfortable, and I think that's why we don't listen.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_01: I know that's true for me.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_00: Well, and again, I like that practice of writing it down because I think sometimes the intuition, like the mind, comes in so heavy so quickly, that then we're just like confused because it's like, wait, I got this hit, but then this, and I mean, at least I know for my you know, my own personal experience, it's like something comes through and I'm like in the moment, I'm like, yes, but then literally three seconds later, I'm overthinking it, and I'm like, Well, maybe I was just maybe that was from my ego, and you know, so I like that idea of like writing it down or just taking note, I guess, of the initial sort of hit that comes from.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the first hit's usually the right hit.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then you like you said, our brain comes in and makes it weird, you know, second guesses it goes down the rabbit hole, you know, um, of doubt and all those things.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_01: And and you know, like getting a clear message also, I think it's good to sit on it, to filter it, to you know, contemplate it.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_01: We we really, I think for me, it's like bringing my system into coherence.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm like paying attention to all the parts of myself, honoring the best that they have to offer.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_01: Like, we don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, right?
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_01: We we don't abandon reason and common sense, we just negotiate, you know.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I'm like, so if my intuition, my higher self is telling me to do something, like we said, it's time to write another book.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_01: I'm working on book number five right now, and it it's a super tough one.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_01: And my spirit was like, Yes, and my ego self's like, Can you fit it into your calendar?
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_01: Is it gonna make you go crazy when you're trying to write it?
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, um is it gonna throw you over the edge?
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_01: Like, and and my I was like, okay, I'm gonna do it, and now I'm like out of time and I'm all stressed out and everything.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_01: And my my you know, mental self is like, well, I don't want to be told.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_01: We told you this is gonna, you know, this is gonna happen, and here you are.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_01: Like, so I think it's like what the heart and the mind, it's like we have our physical self, the emotional self, the mental self, the energetic self, the spiritual self.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_01: There's all these in energy medicine we call them bodies, but they're really just aspects of ourself that um when we have coherence, they're all agreeing with each other, right?
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_01: They're all in agreement.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_01: When they're all in agreement, that's when we manifest, that's when miracles happen, that's when you know the floodgates open.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_01: But it's pretty for me anyway, hard to get the bull on like full body yes, every part of me is in agreement, you know.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know what your uh authority is in human design?
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: Self-projected.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a self-projected of a self-projected projector.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, and have you like experimented with that authority and and how that shows up for you?
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_01: No, I barely know anything about human design, so okay, I'm fascinated by it, but I haven't really um I just know the barest, you know, minimum about what being a projector is all about.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I love that.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, projector is the guide, right?
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_00: You don't have that defined sacral, but you're here to like guide and lead others.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that what you do is such a reflection of that projector energy, like guiding people into like this healing aspect and coming into this, you know, psychic abilities within themselves.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's beautiful.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_00: How do we discern, like when we're kind of tapping into this stuff?
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_00: I know for me, so just an example, because this is like fresh of mine, but like I know when we're kind of trying to connect with, you know, our psychic skills or intuition or anything like beyond, I guess, what is like normal, I'm here putting that.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um, like let's say you are woken up at like three o'clock in the morning with just like this heavy feeling, right?
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_00: Like, how do we discern if that's like our intuition or if we're coming from a nightmare or if it's ego or you know, things like that when it's a little bit more unclear?
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_00: Does that make sense?
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think the first thing to do, it's a great question.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_01: I think the first thing to do is ask yourself, is this me?
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and especially like as an astrologer, I don't consider myself an astrologer, but I follow astrology, you know.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_01: And the reason I do is because I need help figuring out what's mine and what's I call it the energy of the world.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, and the energy of the world is kind of like the state of the collective consciousness and the the moment, the astrology of the moment, you know what I mean?
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_01: And also all these sort of other mysterious forces that come together to create this like morphic field that we all live in, you know?
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_01: And I, as a sensitive, I can tune into that collective consciousness pretty easily and um feel like fear, feel doubt, feel freaked out, feel, you know, if you you we know, we know if we spend too much time zoom scrolling, we don't feel good, right?
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um and so the first thing that happens is I ask myself, is it me or is it is it the world?
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_01: And we and to answer that question, we have to know ourselves pretty well.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_01: If you don't know yourself at all, you can't answer that question.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_01: If you're totally numb to your own feelings and can't feel your body, and you know, you then you can't answer that question.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_01: So I think a lot of spiritual development, psychic development is about knowing ourselves.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe we do some grounding, you know.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_01: If so, if you're in that three o'clock in the mor morning moment, ground, and you can't tell if it's you or the world.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_01: Ground, breathe, you know, shake, move a little energy, get up, walk around, drink, have a glass of water, like get in your body.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, what how am I feeling?
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes I have to break it down.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_01: How am I feeling physically?
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_01: What's going on in my body?
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_01: How am I feeling emo emotionally?
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_01: Where are my thoughts?
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_01: Where's my spiritual self?
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_01: Try to do an inventory.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_01: I call that the system check, you know.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_01: Like, all right, system check, where am I?
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_01: You know, then I can be like, oh, that was a nightmare, or that was a spirit walking, you know, a nasty spirit walking through the room, or that I just doom scrolled before I went to bed and I'm I'm I forgot to unplug from the collective consciousness, you know.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_01: But if you don't know yourself, it's hard to answer that question.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that makes sense.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I know.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_00: I I read a lot of like fantasy books right before bed too.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_00: So sometimes when that happens, like it's just just like my mind's still in the book, waking myself up.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_00: But I do like that.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_00: I know I like I spent, I think it was maybe two or three years into like my astrology human design journey where I was like, I felt like I was just like outsourcing everything to like the systems.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_00: And so I just spent a year of just like honoring everything that came through my body.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_00: And I just kind of like threw everything else away.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_00: And that really helped me anchor into, like you said, like really getting to know yourself.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_00: Cause I think a lot of times we don't understand the feelings and the sensations.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_00: And there's still some things that even though I don't fully understand them, I know the feeling, if that makes sense.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_00: Like I can feel the familiarity of them to know that it's a pattern, even though I might not understand or be able to pinpoint where it came from.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_00: So I think that yeah, it's so helpful in like yeah, just coming inside.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_01: You talk about like I think as a feeler, I just want to say this one thing for because I think it's important for feeler types like you is that we really need to make a distinction between reactive feelings and soul feelings.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_01: So you know reactive feelings are like what happens when your nervous system triggers and you get reactive about something and reactive feelings never feel good.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_01: They're always like fear, panic, anxiety, rage, jealousy, like you know, all that stuff.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_01: And that and it's really important to know that's like your inner child, that's your nervous system.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's like your adrenal glands squirted a lot of cortisol and adrenaline into your bloodstream.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's like a chemical reaction basically.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_01: And soul feelings are very different.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_01: Soul feelings are like you know um deeper and they're more an expression of our true nature.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_01: And even though sometimes they're hard they don't feel bad.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_01: Like grief is hard but it isn't you know it doesn't feel bad the way like nervous system jangle feelings feel.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_01: So as a feeler like starting to make a distinction between reactive feelings and soul feelings reactive feelings are a sign that you need to regulate you know you need self-care.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_00: You need to like take care of yourself and like I'm not I'm I'm not okay you know in this moment what do I need to do to be okay yeah we kind of so we take care of that and then you want to pick your path from the soul feelings you know the non-reactive soul feelings that are they're much long longer they're much calmer they're much deeper right the reactive feelings are done as soon as an adrenaline clears out of your bloodstream like which can be 20 minutes to an hour you know but soul feelings are like enduring they last I love that I was just the other day I was out and I was feeling uncomfortable at something and I literally felt like you know I like I'm 39 and there are still moments like especially like that which is kind of related to what you're saying where I literally still feel like I'm 12.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_00: Like I feel like I'm a child and it's a weird feeling.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_00: It but then like you say that difference between that and then that soul feeling it's like it is that like calm like more like wise you know being in your system.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_00: So I like that distinction of like that reactionary feeling versus that soul feeling.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah that's like an inner child meltdown you know yeah and that that's actually what the topic of my next book is that I'm working on right now is the inner child and reparenting and how we really do that, you know, because when your inner child the inner child needs attending to care and love but it's not the one that should be making the decisions in your system.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah yeah yeah and I think it does for a lot of people totally and totally unconsciously like most of us are in kind of this battle between the inner child and the inner critic right and that inner child's the part of you that doesn't feel good enough and the inner critic is the part of you that's telling you you're you're not good enough and the inner child's like I know I know we're terrible and suck you know and we have to like um that goes on inside of our mostly subconscious until we realize it and then there we need some parent reparenting that's my new new book will be about how do we reparent ourselves so that we're not we can sh live show up in our life as a full adult you know show up in our relationships as parents as you know in our jobs from a fully adult place is a game changer.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_00: I was listening to you um on YouTube and you were talking about imposter syndrome and I thought this was really interesting or like just I guess it gave me some clarity too or it was really clear we'll say that we're talking about imposter syndrome and the inner critic and you were saying the difference of like that book sort of like the book learning right versus like experiential learning.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_00: And I thought that was so fascinating and and so like simple, I guess, but just put in that way it was like well because I've dealt with imposter syndrome for so long.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_00: And but I'm also that person where it's like I have to know everything.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_00: Like I feel like I have to know before I do but then all the knowledge is useless unless I'm doing with it.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_00: And so I think that have you said it in such a beautiful way in such a simple way that I was like oh my gosh that's exactly what happens so I think that's it.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah we get out of imposter syndrome when we apply it's like you gotta go you got to practice you know and because I'm working with training healers like I you know been teaching Reiki for a long time and I can teach the courses and they're like I they they'll tell me I don't feel like I can do this.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like go go do a hundred sessions go do 20 sessions go you know start with 10.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_01: By the time you the hundredth person has rolled off your table you you that's gone.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_00: Well I think there's a piece to that it's like we care so much as well that there's like a responsibility to not do any harm.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that maybe fear kind of comes in the doing part at least for myself sometimes especially with like you know astrology it's you know the study of the of patterns and the stars and things like that.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_00: But also when I'm speaking to people and trauma comes up or things that come up it's like I'm you know I'm not a counselor.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not a therapist.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_00: So there's that piece of like am I doing harm sometimes by bringing things up with people.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah it's tricky and you know um I think we have to know what's inside of the scope our scope of practice right so that you know like if somebody it will come up and it does come up for Reiki people too, then you're you know you just say that you need to you refer out.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_01: So you say they need a therap, a proper therapist, they need trauma counseling, they need you know a trauma informed therapist and just have a lot of them in your Rolodex.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_01: Or like you need addiction counseling or you need you know grief counseling or all the things that we encounter along the way and you know it could be a giant boon to somebody like a huge moment for them for somebody to call that out and hand them a business card and say you know go go get some help with this person.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_01: So I think that's the other thing and and I honor your desire to work ethically um ethics is a really important topic for me.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_01: I talk about something I talk about a lot and that sometimes especially us you know alternative healer types don't get a full training on you know and I sort of credit that I went to therapy school and got a full on you know heavy dose of how to work ethically and with within guide like serious guidelines and serious consequences if you don't you know that somehow lots of people don't get that training and they're well meaning but don't know they're causing harm or they're they you know they're not experienced enough to tackle and they don't know that they're not experienced enough to tackle something really you know challenging.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_01: So I think there's always this can be this sort of scary moment when something shows up in your office and you're like oh my gosh I'm so far in over my head I don't know how to handle this.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah you know yeah that happens.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah yeah you you talk sort of um pivoting a little bit you talk about energy vampires yeah and kind of like you know going back to a little bit what we were talking about before how do we like how do we protect against that and like what does that actually mean yeah energy vampire I think of more like energy vampirism is a process anyone can do.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_01: You know so empaths have a sort of tendency to like point the finger and be like you know oh that person's an energy vampire and that might be true but it's really something anyone can it's a pattern anyone can fall into.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_01: So we have we just have to be mindful and we don't nobody's ever taught how to manage their energy should be something that I think is taught in third grade you know but it's not so we don't know how to manage our energy nobody knows.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_01: So what do we do?
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_01: We steal energy from other people all the time and there are some of us who are natural givers and there's some people who are natural takers that's just the way the world works and a lot of times you know empath sensitive healer types are in the naturally giving category right and hopefully in an ideal world there's like a 50-50 you know flow between you and your people but sometimes we end up in a situation where we're we're with a person we we can call them narcissists is sort of another word for our energy vampire or narcissists are one type of energy vampire where for all the reasons for whatever reason they're not really capable of giving or there's a big imbalance between the giving and the taking and I think as empass we we're sort of magnets for people who are more on the energy taking side of things.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_01: So we have to be really mindful about and you know because you'll feel really drained after you have an encounter with that person or you'll like dread seeing them.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_01: You're like oh my gosh it's that person.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_01: I don't you know or you you get on the phone with your friend and you after you hang up the phone you have to like literally go down lie down and take a nap.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_01: You know like that's um that's a sign that um that we're around somebody who's taking our energy I think the key in this conversation is to be empowered about this to not blame the other person but to fully own that nobody can manage your boundary and your energy except for you.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_01: You're the boss you're the boss of your energy field you're the boss of whether you say yes or no you're the boss of how much time you let somebody have and and no one can change that we we can't ask other people to tiptoe around our boundaries we have to enforce them.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_01: We have to know what they are and we have to enforce them and there's a lot of empowerment in that right I found that quite liberating you know it's hard to do it's not it's not really easy um but once we learn once we know that the world is so much easier to be in.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah that's so powerful I I like as you were talking about just that feeling of being drained I've resonate so much with that but just like you said I have been known in my past to not set boundaries I just like will give it away to everybody sort of but like you said like boundaries are still really challenging but actually setting them then empowers me to take control of like what I'm allowing who I'm allowing for how long and it definitely changes things as uncomfortable as it can be sometimes.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah but that definitely definitely makes a difference.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_00: Do people who say we're like you know we get off the phone with somebody and we're just like feeling drained consistently are they aware and like energetically that they're doing that or they're just taking what you're giving because you're not setting a boundary sometimes they're aware I think that the truly psychopathic sociopathic people you know narcissistic personality disorder like they're there there's got there's a serious problem there you know they some they will be more um they're caught conscious about it and we we know that they're really psychopaths they're like and I say that from a clinical like psychological um diagnosis you can look it up that's what it is but they're they're and they will sort of they're kind of con con artists in a way so they'll tar target people on purpose to take you for everything you've got you've got and it could be your time your money food in your fridge the gas in your tank car you know your credit the card accounts in they'll they'll drain everything and then move on fortunately those people are pretty rare I mean maybe you've encountered one I think probably everyone has to get to be a certain age and you've come across them you know but I would say that's like 10% 5% and the rest of people don't have any idea they don't have any idea they're just hustling and trying to get through the day and they don't know how to do it.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_01: They're they're really under resourced they're really um I call one type of them the victim vampire and that they kind of use their victim status and hey we've all been victimized we're all we've all been victimized.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_01: We just have um but some people figure out how to use that as currency to get what they want in the world you know and they they're sort of conscious about it.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_01: They're a little often um they're unrem unremorseful about it like that's the friend that you call and she talks for an hour.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know why I just said she but they talk for an hour and they never ask how you're doing and you know when it's your time to talk they gotta suddenly gotta go.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_01: And they have the same problem over and over and over again they're usually there's like a trauma drama addiction they don't really want to change their you know they're in they're in the getting something out of the trauma drama and uh and they don't want to change and those I find those people really tiring yeah really exhausting.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah there's this I go to I go into the sauna um after the gym every time I go just my back's been kind of hurting too so it's just like definitely helpful with that but there's this one specific person in there and every she obviously knows a lot of people and anytime someone comes into the gym immediately she's like or in the sauna immediately she's launched into a story of like how things are going wrong or it's always like this sort of complaint.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like I use it as like this mirror in practice of like how can I center myself because like I also want to be in the sauna right.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like in those situations where I don't really know this person right I'm like I it's not I feel like I'm not gonna set an energetic or like a verbal boundary being like hey if you're gonna be in here don't talk like that like how would somebody set like an energetic boundary in that sense?
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah yeah and that's actually the first step I think is the energy boundary no no matter what because once you learn the energetic boundary all the other boundaries get easier you know and that's like getting fully in your body so grounding getting in your tailbone getting fully in your body we want to like I don't know like I sort of um and I'll clear out the energy that doesn't belong to me.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_01: So I take a few breaths I'm like okay I'm just gonna center myself ground myself and put up my protection and I imagine like really like an energy bubble your energy bubble is a real thing it's just the outside edge of your energy field you know and you can make most empaths have it spongy like that's why they call empaths the psychic sponges and we absorb that in but we can set it so um it's more defined and I like to program it to allow only energy that's supportive to me and non-supportive energy stays on the other side sometimes when I'm in really dicey situations airplanes are hard for me I'm getting on a plane tomorrow and because you can't get away and the person next to you is like little like sitting on your lap you know and there's not a lot of space you know physical space between people I find that so when I'm in that situation or maybe you and the sauna you put like it's like you're inside like a spacesuit you're inside a you know coconut shell you're inside a castle wall that's really sort of impenetrable and then the you're not absorbing that energy then when I would get out of the sauna I would clear take a few breaths and just like release anything that you picked up you know so I think it's grounding I think it's clearing I think it's protecting and when we do that I recommend doing that a couple times a day I do it before I have a client in between clients I do it before I go into Walmart halfway through Walmart when I get out of Walmart otherwise I can't find my car and I forgot what my name is you know and I'm like well why am I running back my car um so and you know on the plane I'll be doing that like we just have to um and then when we have that good energy hygiene it's like uh energy hygiene practice then all the other boundaries get easier so I always when I work with empaths start them with the um energetic practices and when you get really good it's like beefying up your energy field that's like strengthening it then we have sort of a leg to stand on when we go to set the verbal boundaries you know yeah yeah I think that's so important especially now because being you know if you're an empath and being in public there's just so much energy that we can pick up that it's like so confusing.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_00: I think the airplane's an interesting one I've heard a lot of people with like anxiety on the airplane even though they're not like scared of flying right and I think a lot of that comes from the inability to protect against like other people like we're all kind of like bouncing off of each other in that situation, you know?
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_00: And so and especially yeah like right now like what's going on in the collective and you know politically and everything it's like you just go out and you're just like unless you're consciously protecting yourself you're just like soaking it in if you're not aware and yeah I think that's that's so important.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_00: Do you like when you get up in the morning do you do some sort of like energy or like some practice to protect yourself?
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah I do a pretty elaborate clearing routine um clearing my energy meditating you know it takes me like sometimes like an hour to sort of meditate and so I'll journal I'll I'll do what I gotta do to get my energy into a high a high frequency um and sometimes you know um sometimes it's five minutes sometimes it's an hour depending on what's going on you know and when once I get to a higher frequency and I feel all my energy hygiene is good then I can go cruise through my day.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_01: Otherwise if I don't I sort of feel like I'm climbing the hill you know like I start out kind of miserable and I stay kind of miserable and I might have like a peak moment but then I go back to being a little miserable.
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_01: So I I just do what I have to do to get myself sorted you know all in all the ways physically emotionally mentally energetically spiritually okay I feel myself I'm good and then I can my day just cruises through but I I'll do it as needed you know depending on what's going on um throughout my day too I might stop and be like all right I need to clear myself and I just know I know because I feel funky or I know because I I'm like want to go scroll or check out or do something that sort of numb me out and I'm like I catch myself being like why am I doing this why you know I'm there's something arising in me or something that's uncomfortable and I need to like okay I'm actually just gonna deal with that head head on and sort myself out and process it, whatever it was, you know?
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah I am so I'm a I'm a Taurus I have this Tauruslium and for me like I love sleep but I so for the longest time I resisted that morning routine because I was like I'd rather just sleep and then you know then I have to get the kids up and everything.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_00: But like in I think in July I was like all right I'm just gonna get up 30 minutes early and it was hard at first but it's completely changed the game for me like giving myself that extra 34 45 minutes in the morning to like meditate and journal and just like sit in my in my own energy like I like I said I resisted it for the longest but it's completely changed everything.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_01: So I definitely definitely think that's yeah moon in Taurus yeah moon in Taurus and and Capricorn rising oh wow so um yeah my daughter's a Taurus and she's the same way okay and you're a Libra so you're very like Venusian yes yeah I love that yeah Capricorn risings oh my gosh Capricorns are like the lesson of my life I'm always always coming into contact with Capricorns I love I appreciate my Capricorn energy it gives me a lot of discipline so I have like I have a process I'm a psychic but I have a system I have a method I have a process I have tremendous discipline yeah like I was a I was a martial artist for a long time and discipline is like a a really important part of my of my character.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah you know something that's easy for me.
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_01: And so although I can use my discipline to do my spiritual practices to handle my book deadlines to do all those things you know um but it's a little if I get too far into that then the Taurus and Libra part of me get cranky.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah it's like all it's like I'm like a Jedi you know but if I get too far down that road then the rest of me is like wait a minute yeah we want to have some pleasure we want to sleep late we want to have a good meal.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah you know well it's like that balance right and I think that even for me this summer with implementing like a you know waking up and meditating and meditating before bed it is that discipline piece is actually really important.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that in our you know deepening our spirituality and it's like going with the flow and being in our feminine I think we forget that there needs to be the balance of that masculine discipline energy in order to like find that you know happy medium because too much of one or the other is gonna you know create exactly yeah and I think like especially with spiritual growth I really believe there there's a certain level of spiritual growth you can't get past until you have a discipline until you have a spiritual practice and you're disciplined about it.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_01: We we will we'll plateau and we just don't and every spiritual teacher every mystery school every mystical tradition religion has that embedded into it you know and it's part of like you you're not you know 22 minutes a day of transcendental meditation you know and or yoga like people who do yoga challenges and meditation challenges we know what happens we don't want to do it we don't want to get on the map we squirm the personality is like this is boring and stupid like why don't I want to do it you know yeah and it's when we um sit with that and sit through that that we begin to make that separation between like we are not our ego egoic self it's a part of us but we stop identifying with that as who we are and we we expand our sense of identity into like well that's just this little like the little mind the Buddhists call the little mind you know part of us in the big mind is this the higher self and I I don't there's no shortcut there's no TikTok video you can do to get there.
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_01: There's no like you know pill you can take there's not no amount of turmeric or whatever is gonna do it I don't know like it you just you have to get on the on the mat.
• 52:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah whether it's the yoga mat or the meditation mat or any of those things and then we grow we grow spiritually there's a maturation that happens I think where we we're like oh you know inner child see you go is also your inner child like that's just that part of me is throwing a fit right now and yep I can see that that's happening and oh my gosh oh that looks real it's so painful and I'll just breathe you know let's like move that energy and and then we really get a handle on ourselves and we can live our lives from a more expanded place instead of being at the mercy of this part of us that's you know not not all it's not the best of who we are and it's not all of who we are.
• 53:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah I think we're all just looking for these quick fixes with everything everything's just like now and quick and fast right and I think that this it's just not and that can be the most challenging part for us is like having to sit with it and having to yeah just that discipline the ego and the subconscious is just like no no right and I mean it's like getting fit like if you're into fitness right you know you know it's it's about getting in the gym and doing it times a week five four times a week not just once but forever.
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah and it's the same thing with spiritual practices.
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_01: If you really want it that's what you got to be prepared.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah that's my favorite comparison because it's like I mean you know I I work out a lot and and it it's never gonna you know you it takes time to like see any sort of change.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_01: We have to go quick.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah no way around that yeah you just have to do it.
• 54:15
  SPEAKER_00: But it's like in the meantime you might not actually see the physical changes but you always feel them if you're in tune with it.
• 54:21
  SPEAKER_00: You know you'll start sleeping better you'll start feeling better you'll start feeling stronger even though it's not necessarily like a massive external change.
• 54:28
  SPEAKER_00: And I think it's the same with spiritual development right it's like you'll start feeling these little things that like make the difference and so yeah it's and I think like three months down the road you look in the mirror and you look different.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_01: Six months down the road right and the same thing with meditation with with any spiritual practice I like meditating but it's not the only spiritual practice.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah you know you stick with it three months down the road you'll be like six months down the road you'll be in a embody the difference you know like live the difference is there anything like right now just energetically in the collective like time wise I know there's so many like prophecies whether it's astrology or human design in 2027 and all these like massive shifts that have been really kind of since 2020 right like happening is there anything just like psychically or intuitively that you're picking up energetically or things that we can do um in our to like just develop our own selves right now and kind of come into I guess our I don't know our truth is the right word that I'm looking for, but it's a tricky time and I think the overall energy of the time is this deconstruction energy.
• 55:42
  SPEAKER_01: You know so we're at the deconstruction point and the that's natural it's normal it's not like it shouldn't be happening because we just naturally go through stages where things are born things live things die things we create you know we sustain we destroy and and it's it's just the natural cycle of evolution and it's a universal cycle not just here on earth but everywhere but as humans because we live in that ego self we don't like change so the deconstruction process is never fun it's always uncomfortable um it does come with opportunity it does come with opening it you know I think the uh I think the world is irretrievably broken and it just has to like burn down to the ground and we gotta rebuild we gotta build I believe we will rebuild at a higher level of beauty harmony and order because that's evolution that's the evolutionary process and hopefully as we rebuild we make a better world right that's the opportunity and I think so many of us especially as healer types have been are chosen to incarnate on this planet at this time so we can help so we can help other people so we can ride the wave of ascension for our own growth um so I think taking that view um getting out of fear and getting out of like you know the doom and gloom and the end of the world that's the end of the world as we know it.
• 57:09
  SPEAKER_01: Is it the end of the actual world?
• 57:11
  SPEAKER_01: No but is there a whole lot we want to hold on to about the world that's leaving I don't I don't know you know like what what and as we take a stand for love as we don't you know give into the fear as we hold a higher vibration like we can't the only thing we have control over is the state of our own consciousness.
• 57:31
  SPEAKER_01: That's it.
• 57:32
  SPEAKER_01: And as we I believe we are here to hold the lights to hold the higher state of consciousness and that actually doing that can change.
• 57:40
  SPEAKER_01: You know I work with humanities team um it's um Bruce Lipton and Greg Braden and um Neil Donald Walsh created this beautiful organization called the Humanities team and they've done a lot of research that says like 10% of the population needs to shift into this higher state of consciousness and it changes the evolutionary track of all of humanity only 10% and I think we're that 10% you know and so doing our inner work all the things we're talking about you know tuning in more to our intuition doing the spiritual practice holding the higher vision keeping yourself in the light holding that vision of what you want the world to be what you want your life to be is how we make the change you know sort of day by day minute by minute can you stay in the higher vibe and not in a like spiritual bypassing you know kind of way because we have to as we make the shift we're purging out a lot of lower frequencies a lot of old traumas a lot of you know past lives and lineage stuff we're just purging out all this old crap it and it feels pretty gross you know but I think like when the purge moments come up you like it all and then you go back and you know it's like dropping the the sandbags off the hot air balloon so the hot air balloon can rise higher you know and then we go back to feeling moments of joy I think practicing mindfulness staying in the moment is really important.
• 59:08
  SPEAKER_01: I think really limiting your access to the toxic collective consciousness oh I'm sorry collective consciousness I just called you toxic but you know it kind of is right now you know and and like is it even real?
• 59:24
  SPEAKER_01: Like how much of what we see on the news and on social it's all feels like it all feels like I don't know what it is but it doesn't feel real to me.
• 59:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 59:33
  SPEAKER_01: What's really happening I don't know like what do we we gotta do whatever we need to do to and I feel like it's back to the basics for me grounding meditating sleeping eating really good food turning off the TV I just watch gardening shows and like HTTV yeah I watch real good TV you know what I mean if I do it all right so yeah you know um managing myself like sometimes it's like minute By minute.
• 1:00:01
  SPEAKER_01: This minute, this minute, this minute.
• 1:00:03
  SPEAKER_01: Like, oh, am I okay?
• 1:00:05
  SPEAKER_01: You know, what do I gotta do to be out like to stay present in this moment and work through whatever is coming up?
• 1:00:13
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's it.
• 1:00:14
  SPEAKER_01: I don't, you know, but I think that's that's so powerful.
• 1:00:19
  SPEAKER_01: Like, and we we shouldn't underestimate the power of our one more person wakes up.
• 1:00:25
  SPEAKER_01: All we need is one more person to wake up, one more person to hold the light, one more person to choose love or fear.
• 1:00:31
  SPEAKER_01: And we're there.
• 1:00:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:00:33
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you say like 10%, that sounds so small, you know, like like a small.
• 1:00:37
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I know there's a lot of people in the world, right?
• 1:00:39
  SPEAKER_00: So 10% of that is a pretty big number, but at the same time, it's like 10%.
• 1:00:43
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 1:00:44
  SPEAKER_00: And and maybe it's like kind of being in this world of you know, healing and and consciousness and growth that I feel like there's so many of us out there that sometimes I hear people talk about like the other side or or not being connected with emotions, and like, oh yeah, there's a whole world out there that doesn't even know to ask for help or to express their emotions, right?
• 1:01:05
  SPEAKER_00: I can't think you sometimes forget about that.
• 1:01:06
  SPEAKER_00: So it's remembering that.
• 1:01:08
  SPEAKER_00: And also, like you said, I mean, I think being in your body and being like, like you said, moment to moment and choosing what's gonna anchor you in and what's gonna sort of like keep you centered and in your own, like that.
• 1:01:20
  SPEAKER_00: It's it sounds so simple and it's like, but I'm not helping the bigger world, but you really are right, you really are that because you're protecting people around you feel that, you know.
• 1:01:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, people around you feel that, and you know, the outer world is a reflection of our inner state of consciousness.
• 1:01:35
  SPEAKER_01: So if you want to change the world, you want uh external peace, you want world peace, you find peace in yourself.
• 1:01:42
  SPEAKER_01: If you want love in the world, you love yourself.
• 1:01:44
  SPEAKER_01: If you want, you know, all those things.
• 1:01:47
  SPEAKER_01: Actually, that's really the only leverage we have.
• 1:01:49
  SPEAKER_01: We can't control other people, we can't, you know, change somebody else's mind.
• 1:01:55
  SPEAKER_01: We can't, you know, all we can do is stay in our own lane and manage our own experience, and that does have a ripple, you know, not only to the people that we encounter, but you know, like like here's my example, like I gotta get on the plane tomorrow, so I'm just gonna pray.
• 1:02:14
  SPEAKER_01: I do a lot of prayer, like I'll pray a lot on the plane that everyone be safe, that everyone's calm, that everyone's happy, that no one's scared, you know.
• 1:02:21
  SPEAKER_01: I'll just send a wash of love through the plane and you know and that makes an impact.
• 1:02:31
  SPEAKER_01: And then I'll hold myself in a calm state, in a as calm as I can be, you know, in that state, and just we'll see what happens.
• 1:02:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like try it and see, like if you're in the grocery store, if you're in the checkout lane, or you're with your kids, or you know, if if we hold that higher vibe, people sort of entrain to it, you know, they start vibrating that way.
• 1:02:52
  SPEAKER_01: And we're all looking for that.
• 1:02:53
  SPEAKER_01: We're all looking for that peace and that harmony and that love when we feel it around, we're like, oh my god, that feels so good, you know, when we get around somebody who's radiating that.
• 1:03:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:03:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I was thinking like if if you're a parent or just like watching parents with kids, it's the best example of that, right?
• 1:03:13
  SPEAKER_00: Because kids like don't listen to what you say, it's more like what you do, right?
• 1:03:16
  SPEAKER_00: If your child is freaking out and then you're reacting to that, it just amplifies everything.
• 1:03:21
  SPEAKER_00: Versus if you can like stay calm and have the conversation, then it's you see them start to settle, you know.
• 1:03:26
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that that example just like extending outwards to more than just you know your child, but it with everyone you come into contact with.
• 1:03:33
  SPEAKER_00: If you're just super reactionary, people just feed off that.
• 1:03:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's like the mirror, you know, the outer world is a mirror to our inner state.
• 1:03:42
  SPEAKER_01: And if we're reflecting out calm and peace and poise and equanimity and all those things, then people react to that.
• 1:03:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and if we're if we're adding to the fear and the reactivity and the craziness, we're just throwing more fuel on the fire.
• 1:03:59
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:04:01
  SPEAKER_00: Well, this has been such a good conversation.
• 1:04:03
  SPEAKER_00: And how can I know you have like courses and you work with people in order to, you know, have them tune into their gifts and get more healers out into the world.
• 1:04:11
  SPEAKER_00: So, how can they find you?
• 1:04:12
  SPEAKER_00: How can they work with you and what are you working on now?
• 1:04:14
  SPEAKER_01: Sure, yeah.
• 1:04:15
  SPEAKER_01: So my website, lisacampion.com, is the place to go.
• 1:04:19
  SPEAKER_01: And I have um all kinds of online psychic development programs from beginner, intermediate, advanced, and even professional level.
• 1:04:27
  SPEAKER_01: I teach Reiki online, my own brand of Reiki called Psychic Reiki, which is a combination of psychic development and Reiki training.
• 1:04:35
  SPEAKER_01: And um, I have a bunch of books.
• 1:04:37
  SPEAKER_01: So about Reiki, about being an empath, about psychic development.
• 1:04:41
  SPEAKER_01: You can find them anywhere about your soul.
• 1:04:43
  SPEAKER_01: I have a YouTube channel that has a lot of free stuff.
• 1:04:47
  SPEAKER_01: I have a podcast called The Miracle of Healing, check it out.
• 1:04:50
  SPEAKER_01: And um, and I thank you so much for your for your beautiful work, for your beautiful work.
• 1:04:54
  SPEAKER_01: I love your podcast.
• 1:04:56
  SPEAKER_01: So thank you for all the work you're doing out in the world too.
• 1:04:58
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you, and thank you so much for being here and sharing everything with the listeners.
• 1:05:03
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.