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Credlin | 18 June · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Kredland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening movement to the show. See price Yes in
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Speaker 2: for Peter Kredlin tonight and back at six tomorrow night
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Speaker 2: with our normal Friday night show. Here's what's coming up
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Speaker 2: on the program tonight on Credlin, the Prime Minister and
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Speaker 2: Treasurer refused to call today's carve outs of their controversial
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Speaker 2: capital gains tax changes a backflip, but it's hard to
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Speaker 2: describe it in any other way. Sky News Finance editor
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Speaker 2: Ross Greenwood grilled the Prime Minister about the changes today.
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Speaker 2: He'll join me in a sec And in Melbourne, the
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Speaker 2: crime capital of Australia, has seen many inexplicable court decisions
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Speaker 2: taken involving teenage crime rampages, but a shock suppression order
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Speaker 2: applied to two alleged defenders involved in anti ANZAC graffiti
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Speaker 2: a Tacks has shocked veterans and political figures, let alone
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Speaker 2: commentators like me. Shadow Veteran Affairs spokesman and former Deputy
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister Michael McCormack will join us as well. And
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Speaker 2: on the economy, I've mentioned before the collapse of icons
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Speaker 2: like Barbecu's Galore Yesterday, it was Lindcraft. Now we have
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Speaker 2: wine making giant Debautley tearing out veteran valuable wine vines
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Speaker 2: as consumption of wine declines. Darren Debautley will explain. Plus
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Speaker 2: the fallout from One Nation leader Pauline Hanson's Press Club
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Speaker 2: speech yesterday continues, including an apparent get up inspired stunt
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Speaker 2: that has backfired on them. Will get more on that
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Speaker 2: from our panel first, though, one of the themes Pauline
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Speaker 2: Hanson pursued yesterday at the Press Club was the notion
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Speaker 2: that we have lost or are in danger of losing
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Speaker 2: the actual notion of what it means for us all
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Speaker 2: to be Australians.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: Critics try and scoff at that idea, calling supporters rednecks
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Speaker 2: and racists and people stuck back in some notion of
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Speaker 2: Australia that perhaps existed in the sixties and seventies, and
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Speaker 2: Australia that has moved on from those insular days. Well,
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Speaker 2: what the critics ignore as One Nation's popularity sows is
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Speaker 2: that many Australians agree. They agree completely with Hansen and
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Speaker 2: do hanker for those days of a simpler Australia minus
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Speaker 2: the political correctness, the aggressive indigenous treaty mob, the pro
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Speaker 2: Palestine marches every weekend, and the gender fluidity crowd saying
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Speaker 2: men can be women with a simple operation and donning
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Speaker 2: a skirt.
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Speaker 4: This transgender movement is a militant force right throughout society
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Speaker 4: and must be confronted. This movement, like militon Islam, is
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Speaker 4: everywhere and seeks to redefine humanity and biology.
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Speaker 2: Well, yes, Pauline does go hard on those things, but
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Speaker 2: when she talks ABC and immigration, you bet she strikes
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Speaker 2: a chord.
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Speaker 4: Rest assured there will be big changes. If one nation
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Speaker 4: is given the chance, the SBS will be gone. The
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Speaker 4: ABC will still exist, but in a very different form.
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Speaker 4: Taxpayers will still fund some of the ABC's operations in
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Speaker 4: regional rule and remote areas where there is a lack
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Speaker 4: of commercial media, but in their cities, which are already
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Speaker 4: saturated with media outlets across the political spectrum, the ABC
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Speaker 4: will only be the subscription service only.
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Speaker 2: That was yesterday. Of course, today the Prime Minister downplayed
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Speaker 2: the speech and took a swipe at the leader, pulling Hanson.
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Speaker 5: I didn't see all the speech, but I've looked at
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Speaker 5: some of the reporting and I haven't seen any policy announcements,
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Speaker 5: free costs of living measures, they've posed, the increases that
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Speaker 5: were put forward for the minimum wage. They have said
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Speaker 5: as well that they've posed free tape. They've opposed the
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Speaker 5: public housing and housing investments that we've made, opposed anything
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Speaker 5: that will make a difference to people's living standards are
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Speaker 5: opposed by one nation. And that's the policy debate that
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Speaker 5: I'm more than happy to engage in. And I think
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Speaker 5: that that is the hard work that is needed from
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Speaker 5: people who want to be parties of government, not simply
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Speaker 5: seeking to divide Australians against each other. I seek to
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Speaker 5: united Australians.
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Speaker 2: I'll let you make up your own minds who you'd
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Speaker 2: rather hear from. However, if you want to roll gold
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Speaker 2: example a living breathing decision that drives support for anyone
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Speaker 2: but labor federally, but especially right here in Victoria, have
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Speaker 2: a listen to this. Two women, Edith Pope twenty two
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Speaker 2: and Charlie Tidmarsh, appeared yesterday in the Melbourne Magistrates Court
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Speaker 2: with a lawyer to argue their case to keep their
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Speaker 2: faces secret, claiming they were at risk of harm from
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Speaker 2: vigilantes popentid Marsh are accused of spray painting if the
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Speaker 2: ANZACs and kill the troops on Melbourne RSLs. Police will
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Speaker 2: allege in court that popentid Marsh were arrested at one
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Speaker 2: forty five am on Anzac Day morning at the Heidelberg RSL,
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Speaker 2: and later linked them to a second alleged attack at
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Speaker 2: the Reservoir RSL, posting messages including kill the troops if
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Speaker 2: the ANZACs and death to the ADF and death to Australia.
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Speaker 2: Those alleged crimes will be before the courts in September.
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Speaker 2: But it's what happened yesterday at this magistrate's hearing where
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Speaker 2: they applied to have their faces and images of their
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Speaker 2: faces suppressed from appearing in the media that has outraged
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Speaker 2: many people, we included Magistrate Michael Whitton granted the suppression
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Speaker 2: order they sought, preventing the media, including US and members
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Speaker 2: of the public from publishing photographs of them or images
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Speaker 2: of their likenesses Yes, and worse. The order lasts for
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Speaker 2: a year after the cases are finalized, and Pope and
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Speaker 2: Tidmarsh were allowed to appear. Listen to this in court
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Speaker 2: yesterday wearing face mask in a magistrate's court. I mean,
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Speaker 2: let me repeat that wearing a in court face masks? Now,
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Speaker 2: what do you reckon would happen if you tried that
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Speaker 2: sort of stunt? The magistrate good on him for one
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Speaker 2: part of this. Indeed, ask their lawyer why those two
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Speaker 2: women were wearing masks in court and was told it
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Speaker 2: was for health reasons, claiming the pair had autoimmune disease issues.
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Speaker 2: Now I can't wait for Pauline to find out about that.
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Speaker 2: Magistrate White and asked a couple of questions about if
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Speaker 2: they went about their lives wearing masks, but he eventually allowed,
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Speaker 2: on his words, this one occasion for the masks to
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Speaker 2: stay on these women in court. Reminder, this pair were
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Speaker 2: alleged to be out there painting a graffiti on RSLs
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Speaker 2: on Anzac Day, saying this pair walked from court guess
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Speaker 2: what their mates out the front had a banner reading
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Speaker 2: courts have no jurisdiction on stolen land, give land back
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Speaker 2: and then again if the ANZACs, I mean there you
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Speaker 2: have it in a nutshell the anger normal Australians are
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Speaker 2: feeling in their own cities where alleged foul mouthed graffiti
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Speaker 2: vandals wearing disguises are allowed to sit in one of
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Speaker 2: our courts as a magistrate bans us from showing you
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Speaker 2: what they look like. I mean, I note with some
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Speaker 2: despair no one speaking of ANZACs took any action to
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Speaker 2: prevent the identification of war hero Ben Robert Smith when
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Speaker 2: he appeared in court. And we all know, unlike these
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Speaker 2: two cowards, he would not have wanted to hide his
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Speaker 2: face anyway. Disgraceful. We'll get the view from the Shadow
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Speaker 2: Minister for Veterans Affairs shortly, it said to Cameron. Now
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Speaker 2: for tonight's political headlines, misky one News political reporter Camrai.
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Speaker 6: Good Evening Labor has confirmed a series of carve outs
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Speaker 6: and changes to its tax reform package politically.
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Speaker 7: Were you surprised by the reaction that came, particularly from
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Speaker 7: younger Australians younger business owners in particular, not at all.
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Speaker 5: And tell you what the feedback I've had from young
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Speaker 5: Australians is young Australians have been able to get into
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Speaker 5: their first time.
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Speaker 6: There will be greater exemptions for businesses with turnover of
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Speaker 6: up to ten million dollars a year. Also a scaling
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Speaker 6: back of ministerial discretion and the so called death tax
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Speaker 6: will be gone with discretionary testamentary trusts to be exempted
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Speaker 6: from a new thirty percent tax.
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Speaker 2: This is quite a backflip, isn't it Not at all?
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Speaker 8: This is the outcome of the consultation that we flagged.
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Speaker 6: Net migration has dipped slightly, but Labour's critics say it's
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Speaker 6: still isn't falling fast enough. The latest figures on net
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Speaker 6: migration show it's come down by nearly half of what
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Speaker 6: it was from the post COVID peak, reducing from five
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Speaker 6: one hundred and thirty one thousand at the end of
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Speaker 6: twenty twenty three to three hundred and one thousand at
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Speaker 6: the end of last year. But that's still above Labour's
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Speaker 6: annual target of two hundred and twenty five thousand migrants.
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Speaker 9: Migration in this country has been too high and the
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Speaker 9: standards have been too low, and that must change.
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Speaker 6: From cutting migration to cutting red tape. One Nation leader
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Speaker 6: Paul and Hansen has been given some encouragement from Australia's
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Speaker 6: richest woman.
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Speaker 10: You might remember, Elon Musk was given a big chainsaw
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Speaker 10: to try and cut our government tape and bureaucracies. Over
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Speaker 10: in America, we need an orange bulldozer. Let's hear the
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Speaker 10: noise Gur, I don't hear that noise. Let's hear a
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Speaker 10: bit more, gir.
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Speaker 2: Cameron Reddin's Sky News Canberra. Good on you, Cam, thank
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Speaker 2: you for that sticking out of Canberra politics. And despite
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Speaker 2: denials from the Prime Minister and the Treasurer to five
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Speaker 2: weeks after that, Charmer's budget sank like a lead balloon. Today,
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Speaker 2: straight faced the Prime Minister and Charmers addressed the media
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Speaker 2: to announce that the tax on discretionary trusts, labeled by
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Speaker 2: many a death tax, was dumped and it massively changed
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Speaker 2: concessions on capital gains tax to small businesses. Early examination
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Speaker 2: of those changes suggest they may have actually made the
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Speaker 2: whole mess more complicated. Now, someone whose mission in life
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Speaker 2: is to make complicated more simple is Sky News Business
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Speaker 2: editor Ross Greenwood. Ross. Have they made it more simple
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Speaker 2: or more complicated?
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Speaker 7: Have made it a lot more complicated, Steve, I can
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Speaker 7: tell you that the capital gains tax good luck to
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Speaker 7: anybody in the future trying.
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Speaker 11: To work this out.
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Speaker 7: It is going to be impossible. Most people will need
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Speaker 7: an accountant. That's not what good tax policy is about.
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Speaker 7: At one stage, remember that the reason why we had
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Speaker 7: that discount method which became the fifty percent discount. Method
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Speaker 7: to workout capital gains tax was to make the tax
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Speaker 7: easier to understand, very simple.
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Speaker 11: You take your gain, you.
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Speaker 7: Chop it in half, You put that theoretical amount against
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Speaker 7: your personal income that year. Whatever tax rate you come
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Speaker 7: up with on that amount of money, you pay your tax.
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Speaker 7: Now try and work it out, because depending on whether
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Speaker 7: you're a small business with ten million dollars turnover, whether
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Speaker 7: you've bought a new house or an existing house, depends
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Speaker 7: on whether you get the fifty percent discount, or whether
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Speaker 7: you've got to work out what the inflation rate was
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Speaker 7: for the period you own that property. Then you've got
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Speaker 7: to pay a minimum thirty percent tax. It's pretty hard.
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Speaker 7: But one thing the government has done only this evening
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Speaker 7: Treasury has put out a consultation paper. Because you made
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Speaker 7: the observation, the government appears to have gone much further
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Speaker 7: than what they suggested they would in the budget. Now
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Speaker 7: what they're now saying with more startup companies to be
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Speaker 7: able to claim that fifty percent discount, the current thing is,
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Speaker 7: as we currently showed you, they've got to have an
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Speaker 7: ability to show they have a genuine business, that it
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Speaker 7: can be scaled up, that it can be actually you
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Speaker 7: to create wealth overseas as well as in Australia and
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Speaker 7: really that it's not an artificial scheme. So this is
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Speaker 7: some of the work from the Government and Treasury put
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Speaker 7: out just this evening in a paper. But as I say,
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Speaker 7: my point is, it does not make capital gains tax
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Speaker 7: easy to work out. It makes it much much harder.
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Speaker 7: But I suggest that these changes that have been announced
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Speaker 7: today by the Government have been done because it was
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Speaker 7: concerned about the political backlash, particularly by young business owners
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Speaker 7: who felt that they were going to bear the brunt
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Speaker 7: of it. And as a result now they've just simply
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Speaker 7: made things more complicated.
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Speaker 2: So five weeks on we get a consultation paper dropped
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Speaker 2: late today after the PM and the Treasurer bobbed up
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Speaker 2: today and you were in that room and you're asking
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Speaker 2: questions of the Prime Minister. How the hell does a
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Speaker 2: small business prove that it says they have to do
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Speaker 2: that they have a high growth potential. How do you
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Speaker 2: do that in the current economic climate?
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Speaker 7: Well, how do you do that given the fact that
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Speaker 7: the vast majority of benusinesses set up fail in the
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Speaker 7: first five years of their operation, And so the idea
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Speaker 7: about having people who are prepared to have a go
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Speaker 7: The reason why you give an incentive for capital gains
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Speaker 7: tax is for people to basically roll the dice and
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Speaker 7: have a go at creating wealth through their own business.
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Speaker 7: Those who succeed do extraordinarily well, and some become part
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Speaker 7: of the richest people in this nation. But you don't
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Speaker 7: see the many hundreds of thousands of people who fail,
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Speaker 7: who basically doesn't work for and who have to go
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Speaker 7: back to jobs. What the government hasn't picked up is
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Speaker 7: it a lot of families these days. And the Prime
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Speaker 7: Minister said he's got the mood of the people. He
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Speaker 7: understands how people are thinking that they like getting in
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Speaker 7: the new houses. But what he doesn't understand is a
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Speaker 7: lot of families these days have one person who works
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Speaker 7: with a steady income and the other person creates a
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Speaker 7: business try to create some wealth for that family under
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Speaker 7: the new tax system. That family is worried because they're
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Speaker 7: worried that the new tax changes means a good deal
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Speaker 7: of that wealth, if they are successful, will actually be
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Speaker 7: shared with the federal government, and that to them is
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Speaker 7: not worth the risk that they're taking to try to
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Speaker 7: create wealth for their family.
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Speaker 2: Strikes me that I mean this budget five weeks ago
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Speaker 2: was a political document, and the budget was a political document,
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Speaker 2: not an economic document. Treasury has made these suggestions, the
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Speaker 2: government has taken them on board and thought to themselves,
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Speaker 2: where's our base? Who votes for us? Will less cause
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Speaker 2: us any trouble out there when it comes to election time,
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Speaker 2: And they've had a big shock when indeed, the criticism's
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Speaker 2: been extraordinary. And Jeff Wilson, who seems to have made
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Speaker 2: an enemy of himself of the government, runs Wilson Asset Management.
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Speaker 2: He's today described this latest lot of changes as turning
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Speaker 2: up and finding someone who's dead on the floor and
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Speaker 2: trying to give them a glass of water. He said,
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Speaker 2: it's made it so much worse. Is not funny.
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Speaker 7: Well, it's interesting to see just exactly how this goes forward.
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Speaker 7: But what you sense is there's politics all over this.
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Speaker 7: You sense that maybe the treasurer, or say, for example,
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Speaker 7: a former Treasurer Paul Ketting, a former Prime minister, would
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Speaker 7: not have wanted to make these exemptions, would not have
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Speaker 7: wanted to make these changes.
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Speaker 11: They would have wanted to have guts this out.
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Speaker 7: But the problem was that they were so ill thought
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Speaker 7: out and prepared when they were announced in the budget.
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Speaker 7: Your sense that it was pretty much trying to get
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Speaker 7: back to old labor policy.
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Speaker 11: That's what this is really about, trying to tax capital
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Speaker 11: as though it's income.
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Speaker 7: But the reality is, for the pain which the government
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Speaker 7: is currently suffering, the actual benefits to the people they're
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Speaker 7: purporting to help, which is way journers, is so small
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Speaker 7: that tax cuts are handing out a minimal Basically, they're
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Speaker 7: being absorbed by inflation and by bracket creep every single year,
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Speaker 7: so they're not handing anywhere near as much money as
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Speaker 7: the pain for which they're actually creating these new capital
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Speaker 7: gains tax rules.
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Speaker 11: The big change they could have made was to the GST, but.
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Speaker 7: They didn't have the political courage for that, because then
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Speaker 7: they could have handed out significant tax cuts, which still
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Speaker 7: sense they'll do before the next election.
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Speaker 11: Try and dress that up as.
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Speaker 7: Some sort of payment for people to try and vote
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Speaker 7: for them into the next election. Could work, by the way,
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Speaker 7: but the reality is that's what they'll try to.
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Speaker 2: Just briefly before you go, everyone we know who's paying
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Speaker 2: off a home, who has a mortgage on Sundays looks
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Speaker 2: up their suburb in the Sunday paper to see whether
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Speaker 2: the auctions have worked in that area and the value
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Speaker 2: of their houses going up. We've now got fullcasts saying
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Speaker 2: up to fifty thousand dollars could be wiped off the
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Speaker 2: medium house price right across all of our major capital cities.
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Speaker 2: Who's going to be happy about that?
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Speaker 11: Prime Minister didn't say that today.
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Speaker 7: I asked him specifically about whether his policy is designed
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Speaker 7: to have house prices existing house prices fall. He said no, no, no,
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Speaker 7: oh no, no no, this is not what it's about.
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Speaker 7: Our forecast from Treasury, who were so accurate in so
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Speaker 7: many things.
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Speaker 11: Of course not so.
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Speaker 7: They say that house prices will grow, but more moderately
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Speaker 7: than they have previous. Now, my suggestion to you is
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Speaker 7: if you take property investors out who can't negatively gear,
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Speaker 7: who have now got these new capital gains taxes on
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Speaker 7: top of them. If you take them out of the
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Speaker 7: equation because they might go and buy new properties which
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Speaker 7: they can negatively gear, who's buying the existing properties, what
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Speaker 7: will the house prices do in the future. What do
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Speaker 7: you imagine happens after you've had three interest rate rises.
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Speaker 11: So my point.
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Speaker 7: About this is is if you want political unpopularity, have
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Speaker 7: existing house prices for you for you have a look
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Speaker 7: and see what happens when rents start the rise in
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Speaker 7: this country, as they inevitably must as a result of
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Speaker 7: these policies. Just try and see how popular those moves
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Speaker 7: will be in two years time, as you're going into
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Speaker 7: an election. It'll be interesting to see whether a few
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Speaker 7: measly tax cuts at that time are basically going to
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Speaker 7: make people feel better about what has been a significant
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Speaker 7: decline in the value of the homes in that time.
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Speaker 2: Good on your Ross, what a mess, absolutely Ross Green,
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Speaker 2: will dare chat to him again next week? Okay to
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Speaker 2: my editorial that I started with tonight, Another staggering magistrate's
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Speaker 2: court decision to suppress the identities of two alleged anti
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Speaker 2: Anzac graffiti vandals for a year, as the magistrate allowed
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Speaker 2: the accused to sit in court wearing disguises. I've been
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Speaker 2: around a long time. I have never heard of someone
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Speaker 2: being able to sit in a court in this country
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Speaker 2: with a disguise on. Police have alleged the pair Edith
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Speaker 2: Pope and Charlie Tidmas. We can identify them by name,
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Speaker 2: we can't show their photographs pre dawn Anzac Day scrawled
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Speaker 2: f the ANZACs and death to the ADF on two
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Speaker 2: RSLs in Melbourne. Those are the allegations. Those hearings will
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Speaker 2: be held heard in September, but they're not going to
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Speaker 2: be out. We're not going to be able to show
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Speaker 2: you their photographs for a year. Two of their supporters,
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Speaker 2: by the way, unfilled a barrier on the court steps,
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Speaker 2: effectively doubling down about f the ANZACs. There is a
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Speaker 2: lot of anger about this. I thought we would catch
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Speaker 2: up with National MP for the River Arena. Shadow Minister
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Speaker 2: for Veterans Affairs Michael McCormack. Oins is not wanting to
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Speaker 2: go into the allegations about what they did or didn't do,
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Speaker 2: will leave that up to the court. Have you ever heard,
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Speaker 2: in all your time and you've been a journalist reporting
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Speaker 2: in courts like I have, that someone can sit in
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Speaker 2: a court room in Australia with a disguise on their face.
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Speaker 2: Oh it's bizarreter that truly is.
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Speaker 9: Currently I'm in the Wangorada Veteran Support Center and at
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Speaker 9: the Australian War Memorial in Camera there are one hundred
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Speaker 9: and three thousand names of men and women who did
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Speaker 9: not come back from conflict because they gave their life
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Speaker 9: so that people could live in a free and fair democracy.
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Speaker 9: This is not a free and fair democracy where people
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Speaker 9: can cover up and probably as well could cover up
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Speaker 9: because of the shameful allegations being brought against them.
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Speaker 11: And I just you're right, this is.
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Speaker 2: Just totally bizarre. I mean, what next, Well it is victorious, jan,
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Speaker 2: I shouldn't have prized people are in Victoria. I mean
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Speaker 2: the magistrates court system here. You know, you see teenage
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Speaker 2: children getting bail after bail after bail, after committing aggravated burglary,
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Speaker 2: stealing people's cars, holding machetes to people's throats in the
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Speaker 2: middle of the night. How did we get here? I
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Speaker 2: mean I mentioned at the start of the show that
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Speaker 2: Paul en Hansen referenced these sorts of things in the speech.
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Speaker 2: Yessay the press club. But I know you've been strong
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Speaker 2: on this anyway. Where did Australia. How did Australia get
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Speaker 2: to the point where there are people running around saying
20:31
Speaker 2: if the ANZACs? I mean, you know, I've seen a
20:36
Speaker 2: lot of bad things, Mike, like you have. I never
20:38
Speaker 2: thought we would get to this point.
20:41
Speaker 9: If the words less we forget mean anything, then our
20:44
Speaker 9: magistrates have to be in touch with community centers, and
20:49
Speaker 9: we saw in New South Wales.
20:51
Speaker 2: Don't just think it's Victoria.
20:53
Speaker 9: We saw in New South Wales where Premier Christians and
20:56
Speaker 9: the Police Commissioner mal Lanion did not want to proach
21:00
Speaker 9: to go ahead. Yet the magistrate allowed that protest to
21:03
Speaker 9: go ahead. And then what did we see? We saw
21:07
Speaker 9: al Qaeda and Danish flanags being flown, we saw offensive
21:11
Speaker 9: remarks uttered. This is not Australia. This is just not
21:17
Speaker 9: the Australia that you and I grew up in, Steve,
21:19
Speaker 9: And I just wonder where these courts are going to lead.
21:23
Speaker 2: I just wonder what these.
21:24
Speaker 9: Magistrates are thinking when they allow these things to have.
21:29
Speaker 9: The courts have to be representative of the people, and
21:32
Speaker 9: they're simply not at the moment. So I look forward
21:35
Speaker 9: with interest to this case and how it unfolds.
21:40
Speaker 2: I reckon if that happened in your hometown, someone dubbed
21:43
Speaker 2: on the front of your local aris left the ANZACs,
21:46
Speaker 2: I'm not sure they'd even get to court. Oh well,
21:49
Speaker 2: I don't know.
21:49
Speaker 9: I mean, I was dressed up as a Nazi during
21:51
Speaker 9: last year's election campaign. Charges brought against the person who
21:55
Speaker 9: did that and the matter was thrown out just the
21:57
Speaker 9: other week, and the police were made to pay costs
22:00
Speaker 9: even despite the fact that there are you always in
22:03
Speaker 9: against Nazi slogans against all of that, and the charges
22:07
Speaker 9: were dropped. So you know, it's not just Victoria. It
22:10
Speaker 9: don't feel special just because what happened to him, or
22:14
Speaker 9: at least to have been in Victoria. Our court system
22:18
Speaker 9: needs so.
22:21
Speaker 2: A Melbourne magistrate says, these two are not we can't
22:25
Speaker 2: identify them in a photograph or any vision. For twelve
22:28
Speaker 2: months have we gone with Ben Robert Smith being paraded
22:32
Speaker 2: publicly off a plane on the tarmac at Sydney Airport,
22:36
Speaker 2: And every time that brs turns up at court he
22:39
Speaker 2: is filmed going in and out. I know he wouldn't
22:41
Speaker 2: want his face covered and he wouldn't be a coward
22:45
Speaker 2: to not let people know what he looks like. But
22:48
Speaker 2: the irony there of how the two different things are
22:51
Speaker 2: treated so differently just can't be escape anybody. Surely, Well,
22:56
Speaker 2: I look forward.
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Speaker 9: To Ben Robert Smith going to the opening of the
22:58
Speaker 9: Australian War Memorial next week in the new galleries.
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Speaker 2: That's I'm glad that he's going to do that.
23:03
Speaker 9: And when we talk about Ben Robert Smith, we also
23:06
Speaker 9: talk about this in citious for the budget where the
23:09
Speaker 9: government is spending tens of medias dollars to conduct a
23:12
Speaker 9: witch hunt against our veterans who may or may not
23:17
Speaker 9: have done something in the fog of war a decade
23:20
Speaker 9: or two ago. We should be proud of what our
23:23
Speaker 9: veterans have achieved. We should be proud of what the
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Speaker 9: men in car Key have done for our nation and
23:29
Speaker 9: women too. But seriously, our Victoria Cross recipients deserve better
23:34
Speaker 9: than what they received later and certainly Ben Robert Smith.
23:38
Speaker 2: Just for you, go, you've sat around the cabinet tabe,
23:40
Speaker 2: you've been deputy prime minister. What do you make of
23:44
Speaker 2: this five week budget which is fallen like a lead
23:48
Speaker 2: balloon and you're there got the Prime Minister and the
23:51
Speaker 2: Treasury today. Oh this is not a backflip. No, no,
23:54
Speaker 2: we're just tinkering at the edges. I mean it's it's
23:56
Speaker 2: an absolute joke, isn't it.
23:59
Speaker 9: Well it isn't absolute choke and Prime Minister Albanisi and
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Speaker 9: Treasurer Jim Charmers. I know now that there is white
24:08
Speaker 9: hot as well. There would be a small business community
24:11
Speaker 9: amongst our veterans who've got a five thousand dollars cap
24:14
Speaker 9: on their allied health I mean, go th.
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Speaker 2: Farmers.
24:19
Speaker 9: I mean, but only today the government has spent another
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Speaker 9: goodness knows how many millions of dollars doing yet another buyback,
24:27
Speaker 9: taking productive water out of the Murray Darling system and
24:30
Speaker 9: flushing it out of the mouth of the Murray I mean,
24:32
Speaker 9: I mean, this is a government that doesn't care about
24:34
Speaker 9: regional Australia. He doesn't care about people who are really
24:38
Speaker 9: doing it tough with this costal of being christ is
24:40
Speaker 9: brought about by labor.
24:41
Speaker 2: Shame on labor, Good on you, Michael, Thank you, malcaolm
24:45
Speaker 2: mccallmackt and now coming up more on the government backflip
24:49
Speaker 2: on capital gains and those defiant comments from Angus Taylor
24:52
Speaker 2: who says the government needs to go back to the
24:55
Speaker 2: drawing board. Welcome back to Steve Price in for Peter
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Speaker 2: now coming up, a leading voice in Australia's wine industry
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Speaker 2: issues a warning for the sector. You won't believe some
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Speaker 2: of the pictures were about to show you of some
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Speaker 2: of Australia's most valuable cherraz vines being ripped out of
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Speaker 2: the ground. Okay, let's bring in our Thursday Night panel,
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Speaker 2: Sky One News contributor Caroly kats and Barnas and Deputy
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Speaker 2: Executive Director of the IPA, Dan Wild. Welcome to you both.
25:24
Speaker 2: Great to have you with us. I want to go
25:26
Speaker 2: back to what I just touched on with Michael McCormack
25:29
Speaker 2: before the break, but I want to go quickly first
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Speaker 2: to the front page of the Herald Sun today and
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Speaker 2: a magistrate's decision to protect the two women accused of
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Speaker 2: painting crude statements on Melbourne RSL buildings, two of them
25:42
Speaker 2: Heidelberg was one Caroly. These alleged vandals even were allowed
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Speaker 2: by a magistrate to sit in the Magistrates called in
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Speaker 2: Melbourne in the courtroom wearing masks or a disguise. The
25:54
Speaker 2: magistrate asked why, and their defense lawyer said it was
25:58
Speaker 2: for health reasons. What do you make of that?
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Speaker 12: Absolutely pathetic, These two Australian women are pathetic. I mean
26:04
Speaker 12: you wonder what side the legal system is actually on
26:07
Speaker 12: with the protections. I mean, this is deplorable. They have
26:10
Speaker 12: attacked the men and women of Australia that have not
26:14
Speaker 12: only given their lives but are currently giving their lives
26:17
Speaker 12: around the world in defense and what a pathetic excuse.
26:21
Speaker 12: I mean to wear a mask, whether any medical certificates produced.
26:27
Speaker 12: But once more is there are men and women. So
26:30
Speaker 12: these are two women aged twenty two and twenty. There
26:32
Speaker 12: are men and women those ages that are currently serving
26:36
Speaker 12: in the Australian Defense Force to allow us to enjoy
26:39
Speaker 12: the standard of living that we have and the democratic
26:42
Speaker 12: rights that we have in this country. And it's absolutely appalling.
26:46
Speaker 12: And the irony is that banner on Feld said that
26:48
Speaker 12: the courts have no jurisdiction because this is Aboriginal land.
26:52
Speaker 12: Isn't it ironic that these two Australian women are actually
26:55
Speaker 12: applying to the court for protection themselves and it's purely speculative.
26:59
Speaker 12: I mean is it's absolutely disgraceful. And what I would
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Speaker 12: say not that they're going to do it, but anyone
27:03
Speaker 12: that actually knows them is remember what is said on
27:06
Speaker 12: Anzac Day at the going down of the sun. We
27:10
Speaker 12: will remember them lest we forget. Maybe they actually need
27:14
Speaker 12: to go and read up on proper Australian history, not
27:17
Speaker 12: the convoluted rubbish in their ridiculous brains.
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Speaker 2: Daniel. I've covered plenty of call cases, you know, people
27:23
Speaker 2: who are heading up motorcycle outlaw motorcycle gangs. You don't
27:27
Speaker 2: let them go into the court with their faces disguised.
27:30
Speaker 2: I mean, what's happened to the trades court system where
27:34
Speaker 2: you can allow someone who's facing serious allegations of serious
27:38
Speaker 2: graffiti vandalism, talking about death to the ADF. How do
27:42
Speaker 2: you let them sit in court with a disguise.
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Speaker 11: On well exactly.
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Speaker 13: I think the problem here really is, as you've outlined
27:50
Speaker 13: and as Carroly outline, is the double standard. I mean,
27:53
Speaker 13: would these same standards apply to anybody else?
27:56
Speaker 2: Probably not.
27:56
Speaker 13: You mentioned the Ben Roberts Smith example a moment ago,
27:59
Speaker 13: and that just show that we have a double standard. Now,
28:01
Speaker 13: suppression orders have an important role to play. We don't
28:04
Speaker 13: want people undertaking vigilante justice and taking matters into their
28:07
Speaker 13: own hands. We are a nation of laws and we
28:09
Speaker 13: want people to go through the right system. But the
28:11
Speaker 13: problem is people don't trust the system anymore. This is
28:14
Speaker 13: the issue. We went through COVID. We had the double
28:16
Speaker 13: standards there with the courts and with the police. Remember
28:18
Speaker 13: the police took a knee to Black Lives Matter protests
28:21
Speaker 13: as they could go through city streets, but anybody else
28:24
Speaker 13: was going to get shot with rubber bullets. So this
28:26
Speaker 13: has happened time and time again, the double standard, which
28:28
Speaker 13: is reducing trust in our legal system, and I think
28:31
Speaker 13: that's one of the biggest problems we face.
28:34
Speaker 2: Daniel Pauline Hanson's press club appearance yesterday. I called it
28:37
Speaker 2: last night oppressive.
28:38
Speaker 3: I showed.
28:38
Speaker 2: I think it showed. I think she's more confident now
28:41
Speaker 2: than ever before. Supporters were loving it. I just want
28:44
Speaker 2: to play one grab to you and ker Lee that
28:47
Speaker 2: I shared with the audience last night, where Hanson talked
28:50
Speaker 2: about poverty. In twenty twenty six Australia Have a Look.
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Speaker 4: Nineteen percent said they'd eaten food from a rubbish been
29:00
Speaker 4: in the past twelve months. Ninety one percent said they
29:04
Speaker 4: had skipped meals, and thirty two percent said they do
29:07
Speaker 4: so on a daily basis. Thirty five percent said they
29:12
Speaker 4: survived on only one meal a day. Forty nine percent
29:16
Speaker 4: said they go to public places like shopping centers to
29:18
Speaker 4: keep warmer cool. Fifty one percent can't afford a doctor,
29:22
Speaker 4: dentist or optometrist fifty one percent and forty six percent
29:29
Speaker 4: can't afford prescription medicine. This is unacceptable, highly unacceptable to
29:38
Speaker 4: me and my colleagues and my party.
29:43
Speaker 2: Daniel no wonder the polls from Hanson the surge and
29:46
Speaker 2: she nailed that.
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Speaker 11: Yeah.
29:49
Speaker 13: I saw your analysis of this last night as well,
29:51
Speaker 13: and I thought you were spot on. I thought it
29:52
Speaker 13: was a very significant speech, not just in relation to
29:55
Speaker 13: the part that you played there, but I think what
29:58
Speaker 13: Senator Hanson is is now doing is she's taking a
30:01
Speaker 13: lot on a lot of sacred cows in Australian public debate.
30:05
Speaker 13: For example, her attack on multiculturalism, I thought was very
30:09
Speaker 13: significant and very important discussion of net zero and everything
30:13
Speaker 13: else that goes with that, And I think what's happening
30:15
Speaker 13: now is the strictures of debate are being opened up.
30:18
Speaker 13: And whether you're a one nation supporter or you're someone else,
30:22
Speaker 13: what we need in this country is the ability to
30:24
Speaker 13: debate things more freely. And I think by presenting this
30:27
Speaker 13: information to the National Press Club, which as you know
30:31
Speaker 13: is basically the home of the Canberra Swamp, you know
30:33
Speaker 13: this is all of the lobbyists, all of the corporate types,
30:36
Speaker 13: all of the media types that have actually been a
30:38
Speaker 13: part of the degradation of our country. It's not just
30:40
Speaker 13: the political system but everything that goes with that, which
30:43
Speaker 13: has seen our economy go down, our society, Frakman, our
30:46
Speaker 13: political system get out of touch. I thought it was
30:48
Speaker 13: quite a significant speech and you know, delivered very powerfully.
30:51
Speaker 13: So I think you're right. I think it probably resonates
30:53
Speaker 13: with a lot of people on the street.
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Speaker 2: Caraly those statistics, people leading out of rubbish bins to
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Speaker 2: shopping centers to keep well, you see it. She's not
31:03
Speaker 2: making that up and it's not just a book stats.
31:05
Speaker 2: That's fact, sure is.
31:07
Speaker 12: And we said in my local area when you walk
31:09
Speaker 12: down Chapel Street you see homeless people. You see people
31:12
Speaker 12: there also in the CBD where Peter Kredlen showed last
31:16
Speaker 12: week when she went on the beat with Brad Batten,
31:18
Speaker 12: the shadow Police Minister. But I think what it also highlights,
31:21
Speaker 12: what Paul Enhancements was so highlighted, is is that when
31:24
Speaker 12: we hear things like the isis brides coming back getting
31:27
Speaker 12: special treatment from the Australian Federal Police. They're back on welfare,
31:31
Speaker 12: they're going to be entitled to absolutely everything, and we
31:34
Speaker 12: seeed aged people in Australia that are unable to get
31:38
Speaker 12: aged care assessments or the treatment that they're on as well.
31:42
Speaker 12: That's what really rankles most Australians, people that haven't been
31:45
Speaker 12: a drain on society in Australia that have paid their way,
31:48
Speaker 12: that are owed some compassion, but the system doesn't actually
31:52
Speaker 12: back anybody that's tried to improve themselves. And I think
31:55
Speaker 12: that yes, when we as I said, these return of
31:57
Speaker 12: these Isis brides, they're passports. You and I couldn't just
32:00
Speaker 12: come up with four hundred and twenty six dollars or
32:02
Speaker 12: whatever it is for a passport. The compassion that is
32:05
Speaker 12: shown to them by the Albanesi government, even though they
32:08
Speaker 12: say they have no part of it, of course they've
32:10
Speaker 12: had a part in it as well. That's what really
32:13
Speaker 12: gets the goat of most Australians, this double standard for
32:16
Speaker 12: most law abiding citizens that haven't troubled the school board
32:20
Speaker 12: in their whole life. And we said this juxtaposition all
32:23
Speaker 12: the time.
32:24
Speaker 2: Just briefly before we go crime stats out in Victoria
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Speaker 2: today we see a one point nine percent or some
32:30
Speaker 2: people are saying less decline in four years of crime.
32:33
Speaker 2: Now that's nothing buried in this report. Sixty percent of
32:37
Speaker 2: crime committed in this state Daniel were committed by teenagers,
32:42
Speaker 2: fifty five percent of carjackings, forty eight percent of home invasions,
32:45
Speaker 2: plus twenty eight hundred offenders arrested seventy seven thousand times,
32:50
Speaker 2: Daniel in Melbourne in one year.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, well that's not even a drop in the ocean,
32:57
Speaker 13: is it. That decline? You're starting from a massive, massive
33:01
Speaker 13: number that's going on, and you know it's just people's
33:03
Speaker 13: lived experiences. The reality is people do not feel safe,
33:07
Speaker 13: particularly in Melbourne and the surrounding suburbs, in a way
33:09
Speaker 13: that they used to. And it goes partly to what
33:11
Speaker 13: we've been discussing, which is a legal system that's not
33:14
Speaker 13: doing its job, partly because the cops can't do their
33:17
Speaker 13: job because they have a catch or release thing, which
33:18
Speaker 13: is whenever you get someone that's doing the wrong thing,
33:21
Speaker 13: they know there's going to be no penalty, so then
33:23
Speaker 13: they let him go off. So that discourages and demoralizes
33:26
Speaker 13: the coppers that want to do the right thing, and
33:28
Speaker 13: then we know quite often there's basically no consequence for
33:32
Speaker 13: doing this, so of course people keep doing it.
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Speaker 2: It's ridiculous. Daniel, carely, thank you very much. I'll talk
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Speaker 2: to you soon. Coming up after the break of warning
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Speaker 2: over the state of Australia's wine industry from one of
33:43
Speaker 2: the sectors leading voices and the extraordinary decision he made
33:47
Speaker 2: to protect his business. That's up next. Welcome back to
33:53
Speaker 2: see Price with you. Coming up the latest news farm
33:55
Speaker 2: around the world with our international panel, including that deal
33:59
Speaker 2: that Donald Trump says he's pulled off with Iran. I'll
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Speaker 2: talk to the panel shortly now. During my radio days
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Speaker 2: on Melbourne through RW I was an ambassador for Victorian
34:08
Speaker 2: winemakers Debautley. They were a valued and still are a
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Speaker 2: valued client of the station. The Debaudley family are a
34:14
Speaker 2: vital part of the history of winemaking in this country
34:17
Speaker 2: and it saddens me to show you this vision. Now
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Speaker 2: what we are looking at and what you're seeing here
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Speaker 2: is some forty year old Scharaz vines belonging to the
34:28
Speaker 2: Debautley family being ripped out. And anyone who knows anything
34:32
Speaker 2: about wine makers they cherish their vines, their vineyards, have
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Speaker 2: a look at that those vines, mainly Shirazon told have
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Speaker 2: had to be ripped out. Third generation winemaker Darren Debaudiley
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Speaker 2: joins me. Now, Darren, mate, heartbreaking stuff. Why do you
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Speaker 2: have to do it?
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Speaker 3: Yeah? I just had to, Steve.
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Speaker 14: It's just a reflection of the state of the industry
34:55
Speaker 14: and really the industry started. It goes back to the
34:59
Speaker 14: COVID inspired lockout of an Australian wine when Scott Morrison
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Speaker 14: upset the Chinese and they punished us by opening a
35:08
Speaker 14: twenty percent tariff online and that just collapsed sales into
35:14
Speaker 14: China and we've.
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Speaker 3: Never recovered since then.
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Speaker 14: Even once the tariffs were removed, Australia is still lucky
35:19
Speaker 14: to be half, maybe even thirty percent third of what
35:23
Speaker 14: it was. So it's a series of factors. I love
35:26
Speaker 14: it's COVID related, the aftermath of COVID.
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Speaker 2: How what sort of percentage of your exports were wrapped
35:37
Speaker 2: up in China pre COVID down.
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Speaker 14: We didn't have a large share, but what we had
35:42
Speaker 14: was very profitable. And the problem was it's always a
35:45
Speaker 14: secondary effect. So people said, well, you don't have a
35:47
Speaker 14: big explosion, China should be fine.
35:48
Speaker 3: But I knew what was going to happen.
35:50
Speaker 14: It saw that wine that was going previously China had
35:52
Speaker 14: to go somewhere, so that was going to flow back
35:55
Speaker 14: into the domestic market as well as other export markets
35:59
Speaker 14: and the prices.
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Speaker 3: It's it's not rocket science economics.
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Speaker 14: One on one, it was going to have a severe
36:04
Speaker 14: impact and which it did and we're still after that.
36:06
Speaker 14: Then we slowly recovered and then the secondary effectually kicked
36:11
Speaker 14: in with various reasons health, the health, health benefit, health
36:17
Speaker 14: issues relating to to the COVID scare we had got.
36:22
Speaker 14: Downturn in in the in the economy doesn't help we
36:27
Speaker 14: have And this what's happening in Australia is happening internationally. What
36:31
Speaker 14: we're doing is not not Americans doing the same thing.
36:35
Speaker 14: Same thing in France and the old European wine producing countries.
36:39
Speaker 14: A lot that's going on, and it's just it's just
36:45
Speaker 14: a factor that we have to adjust to. And one
36:48
Speaker 14: way to do that is to get our stocks into balance,
36:52
Speaker 14: and that is to pull out pull out violence, which
36:56
Speaker 14: basically to try and grow grapes with themarticularly the Shas
37:01
Speaker 14: vines was just cost prohibitive.
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Speaker 3: We were you.
37:04
Speaker 14: Can make the wine and then you're selling it for
37:06
Speaker 14: way below production costs, so it was not it was
37:09
Speaker 14: never viable.
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Speaker 2: You grow vines in all of the major wine producing states.
37:17
Speaker 2: And when where was that particular vineyard that we saw
37:20
Speaker 2: there and how long of those charazvines been planted and
37:24
Speaker 2: what are you going to do with that property now?
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Speaker 14: Well, I love those vines that getting up to forty
37:30
Speaker 14: years old, and I love those vineyards were pulled out.
37:33
Speaker 14: Remain fellow until we see conditions change, hopefully for the better.
37:39
Speaker 14: How long away is that, I don't know, but I
37:41
Speaker 14: suspect we may be looking at for another three to
37:44
Speaker 14: four years before we see significant turnaround.
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Speaker 2: Don Farrell the current Trade Minister, he's from South Australia.
37:53
Speaker 2: I'm told he is a big supporter of the wine industry.
37:57
Speaker 2: Is he giving you support? And are there not a
38:00
Speaker 2: alternative markets that you can send that to? Baderly wine
38:03
Speaker 2: too somewhere else in the world.
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Speaker 14: Not really. The future looks bright because we have India,
38:10
Speaker 14: which we've signed I'm signed a free trade agreement with
38:14
Speaker 14: which looks a longer term, but that's a generational way.
38:17
Speaker 14: The Indians are very big spirit drinkers and they really
38:21
Speaker 14: haven't developed a silver wine drinking culture yet. I'm sure
38:24
Speaker 14: they will come with the with the increasing rise of
38:29
Speaker 14: the middle classes in India, but that's still a generation
38:31
Speaker 14: away before it becomes significant.
38:35
Speaker 2: Has the consumption of red and white in Australia dropped
38:38
Speaker 2: off as well?
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Speaker 14: I declined a bit, But you know, there's circumstances in
38:43
Speaker 14: the same wine industry are very different to you.
38:46
Speaker 3: Besides the international pressures.
38:47
Speaker 14: Which are common to know, we do have sort of
38:50
Speaker 14: the pressures from the consolidation and retail market where we're
38:54
Speaker 14: dealing with customers who are now becoming competitors in some extent,
38:59
Speaker 14: such as the end DEVA group, and that certainly doesn't
39:01
Speaker 14: make it easy.
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Speaker 3: It's just it's just a very tough environment. It's probably
39:06
Speaker 3: the toughest since nine since the leading leading the depression years.
39:11
Speaker 14: When interestingly interesting enough, it's when my grandfather, Victoria Debautly
39:15
Speaker 14: started making wine. Couldn't sill his grapes in nine twenty eight,
39:19
Speaker 14: and that's the strange wines. It was unbelievable. It was
39:23
Speaker 14: ninety percent fortified wine. And because he was the Europeans,
39:28
Speaker 14: the wondering heritage was more about table wines. He started
39:32
Speaker 14: making table wines and developed the market, particularly with those
39:36
Speaker 14: newly arrived Europeans leading up.
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Speaker 3: To the Second World War. Yeah, it's just very difficult times.
39:47
Speaker 2: I'm load to get you started on this because I
39:49
Speaker 2: know you'll be you might have to give me a
39:51
Speaker 2: long explanation, but a short reaction to how's government red
39:55
Speaker 2: tape handling things for you, Dowren.
39:59
Speaker 3: Well, it's just worse, you know. And one and I
40:01
Speaker 3: think I saw.
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Speaker 14: I saw Michael McCormick earlier and he's talking about the
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Speaker 14: Murray Darning Basin and it's a disaster.
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Speaker 3: They've completely stuffed up the science.
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Speaker 14: And you know, the whole premise of that the current
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Speaker 14: was depended on Murray Darning basin, Well, that was a
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Speaker 14: lie that flows for the current historically came from the
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Speaker 14: opposite direction. And then they said the lower age predominantly
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Speaker 14: fresh water, which again was incorrect. Lake Albott was a
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Speaker 14: fresh water lake that flowed into the astro in Lake Agrisandrina.
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Speaker 14: And once you saw the lower age predominty fresh water,
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Speaker 14: then you need very large environmental flows going down the system,
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Speaker 14: which more than like it was a precursor to the
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Speaker 14: toxic algorithm that's occurring in the Gulf of sat Gulf
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Speaker 14: of Saint Vincent. Yeah, it's a water posts. And why
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Speaker 14: that's important is because growers rely on the temporary market
40:52
Speaker 14: as well. In a particularly hot, dry year like we've had,
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Speaker 14: their water use went through the roof. They relied on
40:57
Speaker 14: the temporary market to fill that gap. And the temporary
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Speaker 14: water went through the roof because of the mismanagement of
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Speaker 14: the Murray Darling basin system.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear you, frus I hear your frustrations.
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Speaker 1: Darren.
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Speaker 2: Good luck mate, you make some great drops, so really
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Speaker 2: nice to catch up with you again. Thanks mate, Darren
41:14
Speaker 2: Debaudery there, like many people in Australia, the government is
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Speaker 2: not doing them any favors. Coming up, Does the Iran
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Speaker 2: deal finally mean peace for the Middle East? And what
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Speaker 2: does it mean for Iranians who are still living under
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Speaker 2: that regime? The International Panel up next. Welcome back Andrew
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Speaker 2: Bowl coming up the top of the hoiur let's jump
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Speaker 2: back into things with our International panel. Sky News contributor
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Speaker 2: and Peter Credlin, regular Kosher Garda and former Labor MP
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Speaker 2: Michael Danby. Welcome to you both. Donald Trump's Iran agreement
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Speaker 2: would end military operations. He says he's pressure on Tehran
41:50
Speaker 2: and reopen access to global oil markets. But there's plenty
41:54
Speaker 2: of critics around as well. Is there a risk here
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Speaker 2: that Trump could actually reward a run without meaning too
42:03
Speaker 2: certainly possible?
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Speaker 11: I think Stephen.
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Speaker 15: Big picture here is a decision has been made to
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Speaker 15: get out because this war was not popular. Its steadily
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Speaker 15: declined in popularity back home the midterms around the corner.
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Speaker 15: It didn't end up being as quick or decisive of
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Speaker 15: a victory as maybe he thought when he went in.
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Speaker 15: So he has to get out. I mean, while Iran
42:21
Speaker 15: flexed on the straight of horror moves, that became a
42:23
Speaker 15: key pressure point that they exposed and realized how much
42:25
Speaker 15: leverage they had. So now it's all about how to
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Speaker 15: get out and keep the straight open without it all
42:30
Speaker 15: and not lose any more American life because thirteen people are.
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Speaker 2: Lost in this year. I guess domestically, I mean the
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Speaker 2: US petrol pricess that hasn't helped him. The share market.
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Speaker 2: Every time he says that it's over, as he said today,
42:41
Speaker 2: the share market, it takes off like a rocket. So
42:43
Speaker 2: he realized at some point, well, I better make sure
42:47
Speaker 2: this thing's over. So the share market does Michael Donald
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Speaker 2: Trump also reiterated this criticism of Israel and the handling
42:54
Speaker 2: of his Bellah. I want you to have a look
42:56
Speaker 2: here at what he said about that.
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Speaker 16: We did send a to Israel. By the way, they've
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Speaker 16: been a good partner. Again, I think they could do
43:06
Speaker 16: better with respect to Hasbeler. I'm not saying they shouldn't
43:11
Speaker 16: protect themselves. I'm saying, when two drones are shot into
43:15
Speaker 16: the desert and drop harmlessly, you don't have to knock
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Speaker 16: down buildings in Beirut. They could behave better and frankly,
43:24
Speaker 16: they could do a better job. I love them as
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Speaker 16: a partner. That were terrific, but they could do a
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Speaker 16: much better job with Hasbeler.
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Speaker 2: Michael, I don't know the accuracy of what he's saying there,
43:36
Speaker 2: but he speaks bluntly and people get that when he
43:40
Speaker 2: says there was two drones that went into the cause
43:43
Speaker 2: some damage in the desert, and then BB went and
43:45
Speaker 2: knocked down two buildings of missiles. But it doesn't mean
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Speaker 2: he's turned on Israel. No, I don't think it does.
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Speaker 17: I think it's just as Coacher said before the midterms
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Speaker 17: and oil prices, I mean, they were already low and
43:57
Speaker 17: the Americans are getting their convoys out via the coast orman.
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Speaker 17: So I don't understand why he's had to go to
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Speaker 17: this extreme. The actual power of Iran will come back,
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Speaker 17: as Donald himself acknowledged. He said, if they break any
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Speaker 17: of these things, I'm going to drop bombs on their head.
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Speaker 17: But the Israelis are facing these new FPV drones. Eighty
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Speaker 17: thousand people are evacuated from the north despite what the
44:18
Speaker 17: legacy media like the ABC won't tell.
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Speaker 2: You, still out, still out.
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Speaker 17: And these FPV drones, which are new and introduced by
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Speaker 17: Iran into the conflict, we're going to have to worry
44:28
Speaker 17: about them here eventually in Australia are killed. Twelve soldiers
44:33
Speaker 17: and particularly social workers and doctors in the back line.
44:37
Speaker 17: So they're going to defend themselves whether but they'll probably
44:42
Speaker 17: be more cautious with them.
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Speaker 2: But the relationship kosher between Trump and NETTYA who you'd
44:48
Speaker 2: say is still solid.
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Speaker 15: He has definitely been one of the most pro Israeli
44:53
Speaker 15: presidents in recent times. There is not too much love
44:56
Speaker 15: lost between those two men. Is well documented that they
44:59
Speaker 15: sort of have a better sweet relationship are There are
45:01
Speaker 15: many documented comments where he has criticized it and yaho,
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Speaker 15: I think that will continue. But broadly speaking here is supportive.
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Speaker 2: On the left leaning media in America like to now
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Speaker 2: try and point out that this deal is no different
45:12
Speaker 2: to really than what Barack Obama did. Is it close
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Speaker 2: to the I don't remember the Obama deal?
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Speaker 17: Is it no it's not because the Americans have already
45:20
Speaker 17: knocked out Obama did go in there and bombit, didn't
45:24
Speaker 17: go in and in tomb the uranium two three five,
45:27
Speaker 17: Nor did he degrade most of their ballistic missiles as
45:31
Speaker 17: Trump has so. But I still think it's smart of
45:34
Speaker 17: Nathaniale to say that he's going to cut out American
45:37
Speaker 17: military aid so he's not reliant on them in future conflicts.
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Speaker 2: I want to go quickly to a clash today between
45:43
Speaker 2: National's leader Matt Canavan and Labor Defense Envoy Luke Gosling.
45:48
Speaker 2: Let's have a look at this, this unfolded in Townsville today.
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Speaker 8: The defense force will go from strength to strength under
45:54
Speaker 8: thirteen to sixteen billions extra dollars over the decade ahead.
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Speaker 1: You counting pensions to go towards your defense spending target.
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Speaker 8: He wanted to go you or not?
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Speaker 1: Yes or no? He wanted an emple question mate.
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Speaker 8: He wanted to go there.
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Speaker 1: Not many.
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Speaker 8: But I'll just explain quickly, yes.
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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, gentlemen, why would we follow the Europeans. It's
46:15
Speaker 1: been a complete defense dis asked.
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Speaker 8: Because that's why would we wear the como?
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Speaker 1: Would be we use trickery like that, We should we
46:21
Speaker 1: should increase real spending on defense, and you're trying to
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Speaker 1: cook the books on this, so we're you're not.
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Speaker 8: So we are increasing real spending on defense by one
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Speaker 8: hundred and seventeen billion dollars over the decade.
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Speaker 2: I tell you what, paul And was smart enough to
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Speaker 2: keep out of that. You know Luke Gosling, Michael his
46:42
Speaker 2: ex defense, isn't he?
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Speaker 17: He He is here and he lives up there in Darwi.
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Speaker 17: He's a good bloke. But fancy having to tell these
46:49
Speaker 17: polkies we only increase to three percent if we include
46:52
Speaker 17: intelligence and pensions. In that three percent, we're barely two
46:57
Speaker 17: that one job, this is a con job, and the
46:59
Speaker 17: two include it's huge amounts of money taken out of
47:02
Speaker 17: the real expenditure of the normal IDF to prepay the submarines.
47:07
Speaker 17: So we've lost three mechanized brigades. I mean I was
47:10
Speaker 17: once in a reserve unit and the expertise that you
47:15
Speaker 17: need to operate a mechanized battalion just to throw it away.
47:20
Speaker 2: Well it's Pauline made that point and I think she
47:23
Speaker 2: was right to. Let's quickly coach of the UK by
47:25
Speaker 2: election overnight. The seat of make Afield becomes a key
47:29
Speaker 2: political battleground.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: I think Starmer has said that if this character wins
47:34
Speaker 2: in Makerfield that he put him into a senior position.
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Speaker 15: May take job it sure, mate, this is brass knuckled politicking.
47:45
Speaker 15: It's obviously a very safe labor area and the incumbent
47:48
Speaker 15: they're stepped aside for the good of the party and
47:51
Speaker 15: the country as you put it. And this character, as
47:54
Speaker 15: you say, Burnham, has a lot of clout. It's a
47:57
Speaker 15: safe seed. He's going to win and Strymer is very weak.
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Speaker 15: Now Pauling is a disaster and he's gonna give me Alerican.
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Speaker 2: The star is like a cockroach. You can't get rid
48:05
Speaker 2: of it. Well, they may this time.
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Speaker 17: I mean Burnham probably will win, but only Steve because
48:10
Speaker 17: there are two right wing parties, Reform and Restore, which
48:13
Speaker 17: are fighting each other and their first past the post
48:16
Speaker 17: system means that Nigel Farage, who would probably win this seat,
48:21
Speaker 17: is going to let burn him through to the keeper.
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Speaker 2: Fascinating to see. We'll see what happens. Seek you both
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Speaker 2: for coming in, appreciate it very much. Coming up next,
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Speaker 2: of course, is Andrew Bolt. I'll be back with you
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Speaker 2: for the Friday night program. Tomorrow night, we're going to
48:32
Speaker 2: have another look at those Victorian crime stats. Have they
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Speaker 2: been cooked? We'll find out. Andrew is up next