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Thomas Rhett’s Reminder to Jordan Davis · The Stephan Hogan Podcast

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  SPEAKER_02: One of my favorite reminders of this is Thomas Rett.
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  SPEAKER_02: When we were touring Canada, and he was saying, like, dude, there is nothing like being on the road and having everybody cater to you.
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  SPEAKER_02: And uh, and then getting home after that, you know, like your show's there, you're doing the meet and greet, everybody's screaming at you, singing your songs with you.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then you get home on Sunday, and your daughter's like, Hey, dad, can you go get me a glass of orange juice?
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  SPEAKER_02: Like just the app the the absolute flip of like, oh, I'm not I'm not that guy anymore.
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  SPEAKER_02: And um that was pretty helpful to me.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean Thomas has been huge on like kind of helping me walk that line.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um but yeah, I I I never want to, you know, it it it is a weird thing to have people scream at you.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't feel like I've ever been that guy that I've I've wanted that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um but I I think you just switch it to like, dude, this is awesome.
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  SPEAKER_02: This music connects with them.
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  SPEAKER_02: Because if it wasn't connecting with them, or if they didn't love the music, they wouldn't be there.
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  SPEAKER_02: There's a million other things that they can be doing.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh so if anything, instead of like viewing it as like a oh man, dude, this is awesome, dude.
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  SPEAKER_02: Everybody loves me.
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  SPEAKER_02: I would just view it as like, dude, I'm so grateful that those people showed up tonight to watch me play music.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like that's the coolest thing ever.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um and and that's that's kind of where I where I leave it at.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like uh I'm just grateful that they're there.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh I've got the best fans in the world, and I never want them to I'd never want anybody to think like, dude, that guy, that guy thinks he's that thinks he's out kicking his coverage a little bit, man.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, you know, he needs to chill out.
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  SPEAKER_02: I I never want that to be said about me.
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  SPEAKER_01: Would you say that you don't find your identity in it then?
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  SPEAKER_01: And like the performance side of being the guy that people are screaming at.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, I can't.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's the that's the absolute like the end-all be all on so many levels of like uh you know uh from I think my it has to be and not to get super spirits, but it has to be that you're a follower of Christ first and foremost.
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  SPEAKER_02: It has to be because if in my world, and I and I hate, you know, I'm not a preacher, I'm not but like in my world it has to be that.
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  SPEAKER_02: I have to be a son of God.
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  SPEAKER_02: If I th if if that gets thrown off, then I'm not the husband and the father that I need to be.
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  SPEAKER_02: And if I don't have those three things, then what is what does anything else matter after that?
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  SPEAKER_02: So uh the second I start to to put being a singer or uh a songwriter in front of any of that stuff, uh that's just that's just a disaster waiting to happen.
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  SPEAKER_01: I like that, man.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because I think I feel like social no you did.
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  SPEAKER_01: With social media, um we just do you have someone that manages your account?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you don't have to go on there all the time and be posting.
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  SPEAKER_02: I still try to, you know, stay up with it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh, but like, you know, we have weekly meetings and like but I mean, yeah, you could ask anybody on my team and they're gonna be like, yeah, Jordan's terrible at social media.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: I wouldn't do that.
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  SPEAKER_02: There's somebody in this room over there that would say, like, yeah, he's not good at that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, dude.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because that's not your strength, because you know what you're good at.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I'm not either, but uh I think that the social media world has created where w, you know, we got these arbitrary likes and then comments or whatever.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's so easy to get sucked into the uh like metrics, analytics, likes, you know, and then finding uh like having your joy predicated on if you feel like you were quote unquote successful or not.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'm sure that everybody faces that in your line of work.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so Thomas Rhett is the one that said that to you.
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  SPEAKER_01: And was that like a light bulb moment for you?
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's been and like, you know, I've had, you know, Thomas has kind of been a guy that I look up to.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he's he's been helpful.
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  SPEAKER_02: And there's other, you know, you know, Tyler Hubbard, like there's been other artists that have been really helpful in in that realm.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um Yeah, being family guys.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's got him a little bit more balanced in this kind of phase in life.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: How do you deal with the touring side and the dad side?
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm not even thinking marriage, I'm thinking dad because my son's how old is he, babe?
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  SPEAKER_01: He's like two and a half.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, two and a half.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And he's like doing something new like every week.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like the other day he said a seven-word sentence, and I was like, dang.
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  SPEAKER_02: And uh That's actually really impressive, too, because my my two-year-old just screams and points.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, he's doing that too.
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  SPEAKER_01: But uh I think about like being away from that, and I'm like, man, that has to be hard, but you also have to probably categorize it in a certain way.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Or compartmentalize it in a specific way to where you don't feel guilt doing your job.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: How did you work that out?
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  SPEAKER_02: Still working on it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh I I've I've I still, if anything, that's a that's a struggle that I've am constantly fighting.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um one of the main reasons why this record is called Learn the Hard Way is because that's something that's the one of the hard lessons that I've had to learn the last two years.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh in the balance of work and dad.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it was easy for me to be like, all right, well, this is my job, and my job is to provide for my family.
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  SPEAKER_02: So if I'm not out there playing shows, then I'm not providing for my family, so you know, I gotta go do this.
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  SPEAKER_02: And uh most of that is true.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then some of it is like, okay, you are providing for your family.
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  SPEAKER_02: You're more blessed than this than you've ever than you ever would have imagined you would have been doing music.
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  SPEAKER_02: And now you're missing things, or now your daughter's a little bit more upset every time you gotta leave, or asking you how many more, how many more sleeps till you get home, you know?
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh, and it used to just be one kid, now it's two.
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  SPEAKER_02: And and you're you just like it it sits a little heavier and it makes you kind of sit back and be like, okay, am I out this weekend because this is my job and I need to be doing it, or am I out this weekend because I want to be out playing shows?
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  SPEAKER_02: And that's even goes back to earlier.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's like, do you want people singing songs with you or or should should you be at the house?
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  SPEAKER_02: And um, you know, it's just a it's a lesson that I've I've gotten more balanced this year.
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  SPEAKER_02: This is the this is the least amount of shows I've ever played in a year.
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  SPEAKER_02: And this is going back to probably 2016.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's a decade basically.
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  SPEAKER_02: A decade of playing music to where this was the this was the show where this was the year where I played less less shows than I've ever played in my life.
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  SPEAKER_02: And a lot of that was being like, all right, it's getting that time where my kids are growing up, and I want to be there for some of those things.
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  SPEAKER_02: And and it's okay that I want to tour for a really, really long time.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't see myself stop, you know, I don't see myself not playing music for a really, really long time.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's something I love to do.
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  SPEAKER_02: It still fires me up every time I hear our intro track come on.
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  SPEAKER_02: It is, I can't describe how excited I am to get out there and sing these songs.
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  SPEAKER_02: But there's other things that are more important than that, that at least now I have to just tamper the other one and be like, that's fine.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's that's always that that'll be there the next time you line up to go out on stage.
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  SPEAKER_02: Don't miss these other things in the meantime, because you do really, really enjoy that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh, and that's just a balance that I'm I'm constantly fighting with and probably will be for as long as I'm yeah playing music.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I asked Dan Taminsky that question.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, for those of you listening, he sang the song uh Hey Brother the Avici and Man of Constant Sorrow from O Brother, Where Are They?
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  SPEAKER_01: He's unreal.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's got like one of my favorite voices ever.
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  SPEAKER_01: But he said, because he was gone a lot too, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: With Allison Krause, and he said uh it it was about the quality of time that I had with my children.
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  SPEAKER_01: He said, You could hang out with your kids all day long, but be on your phone.
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  SPEAKER_01: That he said it's about the quality of time that I'm intentional about being with my kids.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that's been that's been another one that another one of those things I've I've had to look in the mirror and learn the hard way.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's like, hey dude, you are you are home a lot.
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  SPEAKER_02: You're home more this year than you've ever been.
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  SPEAKER_02: Did you capitalize on it?
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  SPEAKER_02: To where or did you sit down and watch a baseball game or hear your kids playing upstairs and sit there and scroll on the phone, you know?
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  SPEAKER_02: And that's that's the thing that like that's a hundred percent on me.
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  SPEAKER_02: There's no other way to explain that away other than like, no, dude, there's you're just being lazy.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like you're not well it's human nature, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So do because like being a dad or being a parent is hard, like it's hard work, yeah, and it requires intentionality and doing things that you don't feel like doing, but you're like, I know this will be good and show my kid love.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but like it's just human nature to want to watch the baseball game.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it's not like it's a bad thing that you're sitting there trying to check out and relax because you've been on the road.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you have 30 minutes of quality time with your kid each day, Dr.
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  SPEAKER_01: Daniel Eamon from the Eamon Clinics, he's like a big uh psychiatrist, psychologist, dude.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And he was talking about 30 minutes each day of like pure uninterrupted play with the kid.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_01: Let them do what they want to do, don't try to change it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And he said, like, that's like the biggest thing you could do in bonding with your kid.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_01: Which I thought was really interesting because it's like, oh like that is not as hard as I thought it would be.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, it makes sense.
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  SPEAKER_02: You sit down and play trucks with my son for 20 minutes, you're his best friend in the world.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it's that simple.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like it's like literally like, you know, my kid loves to be thrown on the couch.
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  SPEAKER_02: If I throw him on the couch 10 times a day, that's all he'll talk about for the rest of the day.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's like, hey, when's dad getting home so he can throw me on the couch more?
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, it's the most simple, easiest, uh, you know, and I've caught that as being like, well, no, man, like, let's go outside and hit the baseball.
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  SPEAKER_02: Or like, let's go outside and, you know, do whatever.
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  SPEAKER_02: Where he's like, no, I just want to play trucks.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, dude, I just want to sit here and run these two monster trucks into each other for 20 minutes.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, all right, dude, let's go.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, uh, but yeah, I mean, that that is that makes a hundred percent sense that it doesn't have to be anything crazy or any super long thing.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's just gotta be intentional.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh, and he's gotta know that you're nowhere else than right there wrecking monster trucks with him.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it's pretty cool.
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  SPEAKER_01: Daniel Eman for they did a lot of studies uh that backed up that data, so I thought it was cool.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um man, so as as we wrap up and we kind of look to the future and you think about life and your career, um you have eight number ones?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think so.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_01: Goodness gracious.
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  SPEAKER_01: Eight?
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's crazy.
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  SPEAKER_01: Goodness gracious, you look over, is that the number?
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  SPEAKER_01: And then you look back, that tells me that back to the identity.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's not in it's not in trying to get to ten.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: It can't be it can't be that.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's interesting.
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  SPEAKER_01: Vince skills like that, he's got that same kind of like detachment.
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  SPEAKER_01: He just loves music for the sake of the love of it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um as you look to the future, like next like five years, where do you see yourself?
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  SPEAKER_01: Goodness gracious.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um you know, I I think I've never looked at it as like I want to be in these, you know, I've never wanted to put a venue on where I want to be.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh the fans, I've always said that the fans tell you where you need to play at.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I think I want to be, and I'm just looking as like an attainable five-year goal.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_02: Without putting something on I view future goals as is I have to be able to control 100% of them.
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  SPEAKER_02: So really I I I have to, because I can't put a goal on something that like I don't really have a a say in half of it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Or some of it's a dice roll and maybe it works out.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm not saying don't work for that.
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  SPEAKER_01: I like that though.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, I like that, but I just view it as like things that I can like that I can do.
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  SPEAKER_02: All right.
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  SPEAKER_02: I can become a better songwriter.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh I can put together a better show.
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  SPEAKER_02: I can become a better guitar player.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh I can do those things, and then if I check those goals off, then who knows where like things might end up.
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  SPEAKER_02: But um I think that would be like right now, I I still think that I can get better at things.
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  SPEAKER_02: And those are the things that I think I can get better at.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I'm hoping in five years I'm gonna be wherever my career, my songs, my shows, that's gonna be wherever it's at.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I it's on me to to get it there.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I like that, man.
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  SPEAKER_02: I've never wanted to be like, oh, I want to be in stadiums.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I wanna be, you know, doing this.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um again.
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  SPEAKER_02: I I still think I haven't written the best record I've you know, and this one hasn't even come out yet, uh, which, you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've made the best record up until this point, which is about to come out, but I still think I could I think every artist is always gonna feel like what they created could be better.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like no matter what.
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  SPEAKER_01: No matter if it's the best thing they ever did.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think that's just part of the uh nature of the artist.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: I would hate to look back and be like, oh, I've already written my best song.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like there's what then what are we doing?
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  SPEAKER_02: Um so I want to get better as as a writer, as an artist.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um and and I think too, I want to be the best husband and be the best, best dad I could be.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I've got to find continue to search for that balance.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_02: That should be my goal, in all honesty.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_02: My goal should be like in five years, I hope you have this like work-life balance thing figured out.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_02: And um You will.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_02: You will.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_02: And if not, maybe the next five years, you know.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_02: But uh I think you will, man.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_02: But I'm I I know I'm I'm very grateful for everything music's given me, and I'm grateful that uh that I get to I get to say my job is playing songs.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_01: The word country politan comes from a real era in country music.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_01: When Nashville took country music and made it elegant, strings, background vocals, orchestra.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_01: It was country music with polish.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_01: Think Patsy Klein, Glenn Campbell, Tammy Wynette, George Jones, Charlie Pryde, songs that still had the ache and honesty of country, but dressed up with style.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_01: And that is exactly what this hotel feels like.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_01: The kind of place where every detail's been thought through.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_01: So you feel the history immediately, but unlike staying right in the middle of Broadway, it feels tucked away, it feels calm, it feels like you found something.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_01: And that's honestly why I love it.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_01: When I wanna get away, things slow down.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_01: Have a restful time without technology.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_01: When you're ready, you're hymn in Broadway for about a four minute walk.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_01: Metropolitan Hotel.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_01: Stay in the story.