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Driving Nurse Engagement and Throughput Innovation at Maimonides with Frankie Hamilton · Becker’s Healthcare - Clinical Leadership Podcast

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  Hi, everyone. This is Erica Carbajal with Becker's
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  Hospital Review. Thank you so much for tuning
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  in to this episode of the Becker's Healthcare
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  Podcast.
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  Today, we're joined by Frankie Hamilton,
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  vice president of nursing operations
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  at My Minaitis Medical Center in New York.
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  Frankie, welcome. Welcome. Thank you so much for
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  taking the time.
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  Thank you. Thank you for having me, Erica.
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  I appreciate it. Yeah. Pleasure to have you
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  on today. Do you wanna start by sharing
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  a little bit about
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  your role, your organization, and the scope of
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  your work?
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  Sure.
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  So I joined the Maimonides
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  team about almost a year ago in March
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  2025.
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  I came here, in the role of vice
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  president of nursing operations, which is a title
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  that was, I think, newer to the organization.
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  And in my role, I oversee
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  nine medicine units
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  as well as our dialysis unit, which only
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  covers
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  inpatients. We don't have,
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  outpatient services for Dallas at the moment.
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  I also cover the nursing administration office, which
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  houses our float pools
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  as well as our nursing administrative directors who
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  keep the hospital running on the evening, night,
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  and weekend shifts.
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  And I also
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  sort of am in charge of special nursing
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  projects and initiatives that come up throughout
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  the course of our daily operations.
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  And,
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  so that includes, like, working with some vendors
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  and bringing new products. And, of course, that's
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  in collaboration with all of our other nursing
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  departments, quality department,
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  nursing practice and innovation, nursing education.
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  So my job is definitely not siloed for
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  sure.
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  And then I also will be in charge
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  of our ANCC
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  magnet
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  designation application
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  project
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  slash initiative, which we will be applying
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  for magnet designation
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  soon,
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  possibly within the the next year or two.
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  And, I will be that will be under
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  my book of work as well. So we'll
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  be hiring
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  a magnet program director,
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  and
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  I'll be working on our entire magnet journey
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  alongside
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  whoever is chosen for that for that role.
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  Yeah. Thanks, Frankie. Well, congrats on on almost
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  a year here.
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  I I know you you oversee a lot,
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  and I know you mentioned your role isn't
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  siloed, and it certainly sounds that way. And
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  I know magnet designation is is no small
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  feat. There's so much work that that goes
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  into
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  applying for those and achieving that that designee.
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  So thank you for sharing that helpful context.
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  Frankie, I know you you mentioned you are
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  coming up on a year. So what was
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  maybe the most important initiative you've led since
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  you've joined?
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  What what was it, and what were some
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  of the results?
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  Sure.
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  So
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  for me, I guess, I have worked night
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  shift for a lot of my nursing career.
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  I've worked night shift many years as a
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  clinical bedside nurse
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  and then also
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  when I have held roles in nursing administration
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  as an assistant director
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  for nursing or nursing administrator
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  where I covered the hospital on the night
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  shift. And since that team reports up through
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  me,
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  I noticed that there were some areas of
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  opportunity that we could really work on improving
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  and streamlining communication
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  between
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  the different departments on the night shift. So,
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  you know, after really kind of learning the
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  ways of the land here at Maimonides and
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  understanding where there were areas of growth, I
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  realized that there was opportunity to implement
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  a night shift safety huddle.
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  So there was already a safety huddle in
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  place for the day shift,
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  and that takes place every morning with all
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  the the department leadership
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  from all the different disciplines,
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  ancillary departments,
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  nursing, physicians.
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  And, you know, the whole point
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  of that safety huddle is to escalate any
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  concerns that might need to be addressed immediately
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  throughout that day to make sure that there
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  are safety measures in place and to make
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  sure that things that are, you know, barriers
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  or challenges
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  are taken care of and remediated as expeditiously
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  as possible.
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  So we were missing that on the night
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  shift. So when I spoke with our CNO,
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  he was 100%
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  behind
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  initiating the same type of Huddl and mirror
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  mirroring that for the night shift. So I
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  think that's one of the initiatives that I'm
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  most proud of is bringing that sort of
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  communication platform
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  to the night shift so that we have
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  a similar type of structure and process in
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  place
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  where the interdisciplinary teams can come together,
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  the nursing teams, you know, nursing leaders who
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  work at night
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  as well as engineering and environmental services and
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  biomed,
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  where they can come together and report out
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  on their areas any barriers or challenges they
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  might be experiencing
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  that are gonna impact patient care or patient
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  flow or or operations.
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  So, you know, from that, I think there
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  has been better engagement from the night shift,
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  and
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  I think the night shift have
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  appreciated the better communication
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  coming from those different departments because sometimes,
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  you know, as a night shift a former
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  night shift nurse myself,
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  sometimes night shift can feel left out. And
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  so I think this 09:30PM
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  Huddl brings people together,
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  establishes
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  relationships,
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  which is really important for the night shift
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  when there are less people around. You wanna
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  know the people who are there and the
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  players that are gonna be able to help
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  you out in the different departments.
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  So I think I've seen a lot of
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  success and heard anecdotally from the nursing administrative
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  directors who cover the night shift as nurse
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  leaders as well as the different team members
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  who are part of the Huddl that this
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  new platform
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  has helped to streamline communication,
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  to enhance,
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  you know, throughput, and to just bring awareness
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  to the current state of affairs of things
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  happening on the night shift that are possibly
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  gonna impact
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  the the the workflows for the staff. So
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  it's been really successful, and we are gonna
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  continue that. It happens on the weekends as
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  well on Saturday and Sunday morning and night.
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  So there's continuity
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  of communication
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  throughout all shifts. And I think that's really
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  you know, as we know in health care,
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  most errors are
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  caused by lack of communication or miscommunication.
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  So in this case, this platform has
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  served to,
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  you know, really try to enhance
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  the dialogue between teams. So I'm really proud
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  of it, and, looking forward to its continued
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  success as we continue on.
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  Yeah. Frank, you, what a great initiative. I
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  mean, see safety held, I know, are so
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  important. So it's great to hear that they've
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  been in place on night shift too and
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  that it is improving engagement
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  among the night shift staff, and I imagine
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  just
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  improving overall, like,
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  communication in terms of shift changes. I know
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  that's another area of
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  concern, and that can be a challenge. So
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  I imagine being able to just have that
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  space and time to talk through
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  what's happening, have more awareness on challenges that
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  might need to be addressed just trickles into
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  the whole rest of the
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  shift and the following people who are gonna
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  be coming in and taking over after those
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  shifts too.
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  Absolutely.
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  And even anything happening, oh, we're gonna have
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  be shutting down the tube station, you know,
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  at this time or during this day. Just
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  those types of informational things are important for
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  the night shift, so they also feel connected
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  and they know what's happening.
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  Yeah. Definitely has a big impact on continuity.
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  Well, Frankie, looking ahead, what is maybe a
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  big priority or a headwind that you're encountering
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  or planning expecting to encounter this year?
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  So for for us,
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  for for nursing,
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  one area that we're doing really well on
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  is nurse retention. You know, as a nurse
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  leader, there's these buckets that you're always focused
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  on.
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  One of them is always staffing to make
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  sure that we have the right staff in
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  place to serve the needs of our community.
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  You know, at Maimonides, we are outperforming
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  the nation in terms of nurse retention, and
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  we're doing really well with that, which is
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  phenomenal.
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  And we're really excited and proud of that
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  as well. So that's one thing that we
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  don't need to focus on as much. You
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  know, we
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  are, of course, working on always improving nurse
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  engagement,
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  and that's one of the areas that I
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  always like to focus on. And that includes
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  just for all shifts, so day and night
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  shift. And and, again, not to be
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  I'm not biased, but as a former night
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  shift nurse, you know, I I do recognize
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  the challenges of some night shift staff feeling
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  disconnected.
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  So I do prioritize making sure
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  that the night shift do feel like they
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  are part of the team and that they
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  are feeling valued and seen and appreciated in
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  addition to the day shift. So engagement is
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  definitely one of the areas I'm gonna be
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  focusing on for this next year. And, again,
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  it's gonna be focusing on all areas and
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  departments within nursing, including night shift. So, for
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  example, we had a Valentine's Day nighttime celebration,
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  last week with, cookies and karaoke, which was
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  super fun, and it was a huge turnout.
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  And it was just really great to see
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  the night shift show up and show out
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  and really have a good time. And that's
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  an area that I wanna make sure I
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  continue to look at because
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  you need to bring joy into the workplace,
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  and health care is just such a dynamic
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  and ever evolving and quite honestly challenging environment
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  to work in. So without having those fun
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  things incorporated, you know, it can become really
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  burdensome. So,
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  trying to encourage staff to get involved,
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  to join our professional governance councils, to have
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  their voices heard, to really increase nursing's sense
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  of autonomy
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  and engagement and belonging. And so that's one
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  area that we're definitely gonna be looking at.
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  The other area, of course, is nursing quality,
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  and we continue
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  to focus on the standard nursing quality metrics,
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  our hospital acquired pressure injuries,
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  our catheter associated UTIs,
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  our central line associated bloodstream infections,
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  and our patient falls. So we have really
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  made
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  wonderful strides in our quality metrics,
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  but the work is never done, and it's
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  always it's continuous process improvement.
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  So we are gonna be continuing to focus
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  on our quality goals as we continue on
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  this,
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  this new year
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  and make sure that we are doing even
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  better than we did last year, and there's
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  always room for improvement. So, you know, making
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  sure the nurses you know, we're gonna look
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  at implementing champion models so that we have
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  our falls champions and we have our CLABSI
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  champions and make sure that the nurses
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  are feeling empowered and, also engaged
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  in the work that they're doing to prevent
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  hospital acquired infections.
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  And then the third area that I would
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  say we're really gonna be looking at is
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  our patient experience.
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  So we, you know, we are doing pretty
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  well with patient experience metrics
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  in relation to the Brooklyn hospitals,
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  but we wanna make sure that we're still
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  striving to improve.
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  So with that, we're gonna be looking at
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  enhancing nurse leader rounding
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  on both the day shift and the night
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  shift, which we're hoping will identify
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  barriers or things that are
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  impacting patient satisfaction
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  early in their stay so we can remedy
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  those and take care of them immediately
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  and prevent that from showing up on the
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  survey at the end when they're discharged and
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  it's too late to intervene.
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  So, you know, I think those are the
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  three buckets that we're definitely gonna be putting
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  a lot of our energy towards to improve
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  our patients'
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  happiness and satisfaction with our hospital experience
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  as well as their their quality outcomes.
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  Yeah. Frankie, three really important areas. And I
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  think what you mentioned about nurse engagement,
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  it's interesting because it feels like that piece
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  really runs through all the rest. Like, being
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  able to, you know, move the needle on
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  patient experience and quality all really kind of
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  bolts back to to nurse engagement in the
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  first place. So I thought that that was
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  just interesting.
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  And I know
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  nurse engagement and just participation on committees and
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  governance councils can can be a challenge in
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  certain areas, especially
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  when it comes to night nurses too and,
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  hospitals and health systems kind of looking at
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  different
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  ways to to structure things and give folks
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  more flexibility to participate in some of these
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  things. So I was curious if you could
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  follow-up on that just in terms of
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  are you looking at any
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  specific ways
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  to get night nurses more involved on certain
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  things, especially,
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  you know, governance
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  councils?
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  Oh, absolutely. Yeah. So, you know, we do
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  have some nurse leaders who are in charge
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  of the professional governance councils, and there are
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  two that are in charge of the night
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  shift council specifically.
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  And they hold them via Webex
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  to allow
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  staff to log in from home, or if
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  they're on the unit, they can log in
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  from the unit. So trying to offer
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  that that hybrid, you know, in person Webex
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  platform,
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  really
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  enhances participation
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  because people can either log in and listen
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  passively,
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  or they can log in and be active
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  participants
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  either from, you know, the nurses' station or
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  from home. So that was one of the
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  suggestions from the night from the night shift
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  staff themselves
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  to allow
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  the Webex option so that people would attend
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  if they wanted to and if they happen
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  to not be working that
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  night. And, also just offering people opportunity to
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  to join these meetings if it's extra time.
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  So, you know, maybe they can book a
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  shift, and they'll work the night shift. But
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  if the council is meeting, maybe they'll be
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  nonproductive, and they'll be part of the meeting.
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  And then the rest of their shift, they
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  can help do chart audits, or they can
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  do chart reviews and
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  do some teaching to their colleagues or things
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  of that nature. So trying to be flexible
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  and creative in the way that
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  we schedule our staff so that we do
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  have maximum participation,
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  for the for the night shift specifically,
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  but the same applies for the day shift.
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  So if people wanna come in for the
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  day shift on days when we have meetings,
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  they can participate in whatever councils they are
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  a part of, and then they can do
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  ad hoc things like chart reviews or, you
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  know, patient rounding or whatever creative ideas our
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  nurse leaders can come up with to make
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  them be,
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  active part of the team for that day
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  and not necessarily taking a patient assignment so
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  that they're able to focus on the meetings
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  and really be part of the
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  their the voice that they're wanting to share
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  for those council meetings as well as be
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  helpful to their teams at large.
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  Yeah. Sure. That's great. Thanks, Frankie.
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  Well, I wanted to ask you too just
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  about something we've been following a lot of
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  in the news, which is
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  the lapse of ACA
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  premium tax credits
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  and looming cuts to Medicaid with both of
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  those, and be hearing from a lot of
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  hospital leaders about how they're anticipating a rise
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  in uninsured patients and potentially more strain on
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  their emergency departments.
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  So I was curious to hear from you
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  on how MyEminities
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  is preparing to care for a spike in
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  uninsured and underinsured patients from a clinical or
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  operational standpoint.
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  Sure. So, yeah, that's definitely
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  a challenge that we're all bracing for.
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  And,
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  a lot of the work that we're
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  that we're doing is really focused on throughput.
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  So we know that, you know, with more
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  uninsured
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  patients, they're usually gonna delay coming to the
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  hospital for as long as they possibly can.
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  Unfortunately, that means when they get to the
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  hospital, if they really need to get seen
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  and treated, they're probably gonna arrive sicker, and
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  they're probably gonna require admission. Right? So there's
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  a few things that we're working on that
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  we've been doing to try to enhance throughput.
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  Our ED is already busy as it is,
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  and, you know, we just survived the strike,
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  obviously, as you're aware of in New York
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  City. We were expecting to get some overflow
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  of patients from other hospitals locally.
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  However, that did not really impact our operations
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  too much,
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  but we did just have a really tough
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  flu season. So we did just have extreme
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  surges in patient volume in the EV that
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  we're still navigating actively.
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  But part of our book of work in
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  addressing EV volumes, which, again, we're gonna probably
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  see increased due to
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  more uninsured patients
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  or and, you know, it's it's really we're
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  gonna be working on getting patients out of
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  the hospital
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  as soon as possible
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  when it's safe,
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  and to make sure that they were continuing
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  their care outside so that they don't get
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  readmitted. So if we can get patients out
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  of a hospital sooner who don't need to
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  be here any longer, then we can get
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  those patients up from the ED to those
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  beds.
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  And then if we can keep those patients
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  who've been discharged out of the hospital and
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  keep them safe at home, then, of course,
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  we're hopefully not gonna see them be readmitted,
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  and then that should hopefully,
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  you know, reduce our ED volumes ultimately in
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  the long run.
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  So we do have tasks for us on
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  length of stay.
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  I personally am part of a nursing strategic,
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  group work group related to length of stay
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  with one of my other VPs of cardiology,
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  And so we are implementing
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  some nurse driven checklists
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  to be able to,
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  enhance our awareness of what are the outstanding
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  or pending
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  things needed for someone to be discharged So
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  that our bed expediters and I'm not sure
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  if you're familiar with that term, but we
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  have,
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  bed expediters for each division, and they're pretty
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  much in charge of rounding on all the
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  units within their area
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  to see who's planned for discharge and to
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  try to make sure that they get all
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  of their milestones checked off so they can
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  actually be discharged for that day. So we're
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  gonna be working with them to implement a
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  new
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  nurse driven checklist that they will be in
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  charge of, and that will have all of
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  the elements that are required for discharge,
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  and they'll be able to check off for
• 18:16
  most patients who are leaving that day and
• 18:18
  engage with teams who
• 18:21
  need to
• 18:22
  be escalated to. So if they're pending an
• 18:24
  X-ray before discharge or if they're pending an
• 18:26
  echo, like, they'll be able to escalate to
• 18:28
  those areas to get that done so we
• 18:30
  can really streamline the discharge process.
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  So there's a lot of nursing related work
• 18:35
  being done to improve earlier discharges. You know,
• 18:38
  our our industry standard is discharged before noon.
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  We do decently well with that, but I
• 18:44
  think with our new nursing,
• 18:47
  strategic initiatives, we're gonna be seeing more DBNs
• 18:51
  as they are abbreviated,
• 18:52
  and then that will hopefully help throughput from
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  the ED.
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  And then on the
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  other end of it, we are partnering with
• 19:00
  outside organizations.
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  One of them is called MyLaurel,
• 19:03
  and they are helpful in
• 19:06
  they do follow-up care. So when the patients
• 19:08
  are discharged,
• 19:09
  this company, you know, has a nurse follow
• 19:11
  them at home
• 19:13
  and ensure that the patients are, you know,
• 19:16
  asymptomatic
• 19:16
  or taking their medications,
• 19:18
  complying with their treatment regimens,
• 19:21
  and the goal
• 19:22
  for them is to prevent readmission.
• 19:24
  And that, again, trickles back to us to
• 19:26
  prevent unnecessary ED visits, which will hopefully
• 19:30
  allow there to be more space for the
• 19:32
  increased volume of patients that we might see
• 19:34
  due to the higher,
• 19:36
  rates of uninsured patients in the community. So
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  I think those are some of the initiatives
• 19:40
  that we're working.
• 19:42
  Yeah. No. Definitely. It sounds like if anything,
• 19:45
  you know, any additional
• 19:47
  ED strain,
• 19:48
  that comes through, you know, potentially more patients
• 19:51
  is just has really elevated
• 19:53
  length of stay work and and up throughput
• 19:55
  operational efficiency work. So it's interesting to hear
• 19:58
  logistics of how all of that connects.
• 20:02
  Yeah. And there's just one more thing that
• 20:03
  I do wanna mention regarding our staff.
• 20:06
  So I think, you know,
• 20:07
  again, with uninsured patients who might be coming
• 20:10
  to the hospital late, who might be getting
• 20:12
  diagnosed with illnesses that they may have been
• 20:15
  ignoring for some time, there's a chance that
• 20:17
  we are we're gonna be seeing sicker patients
• 20:19
  and with that, more complex
• 20:22
  needs.
• 20:23
  And so for our staff, we need to
• 20:25
  make sure that they are prepared
• 20:26
  for the potential of you know, there's always
• 20:28
  the
• 20:29
  the possibility of moral distress. So when we
• 20:31
  feel like
• 20:32
  we have patients that we're we really wanna
• 20:35
  help and get what they need, but there
• 20:37
  are systemic
• 20:39
  barriers related to insurance or placement issues
• 20:43
  or or social determinants of health and things
• 20:45
  of that nature. Our staff can sometimes feel
• 20:47
  a little bit defeated. So I think one
• 20:49
  of our other areas we can't forget about
• 20:51
  is our workforce and making sure that they're
• 20:54
  prepared for, you know, compassion fatigue and for
• 20:58
  the feeling that maybe they're they're not seeing
• 21:01
  the outcomes that they would like to see
• 21:03
  for all of their patients
• 21:05
  and making sure we have really good debriefing
• 21:08
  structures set up. So if there's a difficult
• 21:10
  case in the hospital where maybe ethics is
• 21:12
  involved, that we have that platform available for
• 21:15
  the staff to come together and debrief and
• 21:17
  talk about their feelings. We do have team
• 21:19
  Lavender here, which is a phenomenal support
• 21:23
  structure that's led by our HR department.
• 21:26
  And, you know, we actually just called one
• 21:28
  yesterday
• 21:29
  for our staff that went through a challenging
• 21:31
  patient situation.
• 21:33
  So I think I I would be remiss
• 21:35
  if I didn't also say that one of
• 21:37
  our areas of focus will be on our
• 21:39
  on our nursing staff and our frontline staff
• 21:41
  to make sure that they are prepared for
• 21:43
  the challenges that might be coming down the
• 21:44
  pike.
• 21:46
  Yeah. No. Such an important to point to,
• 21:48
  especially as with the potential for seeing patients
• 21:50
  who are higher acuity coming in. Well, Frankie,
• 21:53
  thank you so much for your time today.
• 21:55
  It was a pleasure to connect and hear
• 21:57
  about some of the work you're leading at
• 21:58
  My Monites.