Latest / Bless This Mess: A Southern True Crime Podcast / 113. [South Carolina] Elaine Fogle

Transcript

113. [South Carolina] Elaine Fogle · Bless This Mess: A Southern True Crime Podcast

0:20
Hey, everyone, welcome to bless this mess up in True Grund podcast.
0:23
I don't care here us do say Heystu, Hey, all right, so
0:26
we're back this week. This is three weeks in a row. Everyone should
0:28
be pretty impressed. We have three children, so one week for each each
0:33
child. But anyways, we have we have had an uptick in our patrons
0:39
and we really appreciate that. We've had a lot of people sign on and
0:42
so we really appreciate you guys doing that. Like I said, we are.
0:45
I have an ideal for some content for the Patreon that I've been trying
0:49
to work in time to for us to record that. So that's something that
0:53
we've got on the schedule to do. But it is the schedule. Student,
0:58
You're not in charge of this schedule, so you don't know. I
1:00
have the schedule all over my head. We have a lot We got a
1:03
lot of balls in the air and none of them are stews, Okay,
1:08
none of us. So we got a lot of balls in the air.
1:12
We got like T ball that I was signed up for, which if anybody
1:15
would like to know, she did fully I told you that she or did
1:19
we talk about this? Do we talk about our t ball game. Oh
1:23
no, we hadn't gone to T ball yet. The game we gone to
1:26
the practice. We went to the T ball game, and so I bought
1:29
a little te ball like all this stuff for her to practice in the backyard.
1:33
And she's like hitting the ball like real hard and everything's great and everything.
1:36
That's so proud of ourself. She gets out there to actually bat and
1:40
like completely shuts down. And she was the only child that actually shut down,
1:47
Like she just stood there as we're trying to get her to hit the
1:49
ball and everything. She wouldn't hit it either time because they went up to
1:52
bat twice, but we did. Stu went out there and she did actually
1:56
run the bases, So I thought that was a We'll take that as a
1:59
win that she actually ran the bases. But anyways, we got a lot
2:02
going on, so we have T ball. We took them for family photos
2:07
today, just them, not medi and stew and for like a little easter
2:12
photos. Are you not involved in this, sew? I am, You're
2:15
just looking at me. You're just bouncing all over something. Well, I'm
2:20
just telling I'm just telling them what we got going on. Okay, While
2:22
I was unloading some boxes in the garage takes on a dryer or we're not
2:25
talking about this stuff. No, that's boring. Okay, we took it
2:30
into family photos. But of course last night the so, the our daughter
2:36
and the our son, the so, the three year old and the like
2:39
the one and a half year old. They share a room at night.
2:44
Well they act up and everything in there and they let chit chat. But
2:47
last night they decided to because we had family photos today, they decided to
2:52
take their little Tony box. If anybody knows what that is. It's a
2:53
little box where you can put like characters on and it sings or whatever.
2:59
And so they're throwing it back and forth. Well, we didn't know this
3:00
was going on because normally they just listened to the story or whatever and it's
3:04
it's all good. Well, last night they decided that they were gonna pick
3:07
it up. So he's in a crib and she's in a toddler bed.
3:08
So she's thrown it back to him. He's thrown he's pushing it over the
3:12
side back to her. Oh, all of a sudden, we hear screaming.
3:15
We didn't know anything was going on. We just heard him laughing in
3:19
there, which they laugh all the time, they'll like mess you know,
3:22
joke around and stuff like that. We hear screaming, well, we have
3:23
cameras in there. So we run in and Stu picks him up, and
3:28
I come down the hall. I'm like, oh my god. I'm like,
3:29
he has a black eye. And so he has a full on black
3:32
eye. We're going to have photos taken today. Anyways, and so we
3:38
replayed the camera and they were throwing this box back and forth, and then
3:42
the last time she goes she picks up. She's like ha ha a and
3:46
she throws right at his face. Now, I think she knew what she
3:50
was doing, but we'll give her the benefit of the doubt that they were
3:53
just playing and an accident happened, but that was an ordeal, So hopefully
3:58
the lady can like, uh, digitally altered. Yeah, but they did
4:03
do really well with the photos. I felt like, especially with three,
4:05
like she got all three of them in a photo together and everything that.
4:10
So she said that he ran into a door. So yeah, anyways,
4:16
So yeah, so that was our day today, was dealing with that.
4:20
And then they did have t ball practice tonight, but I said, I'm
4:23
not going to that. So because we're practicing for a game. They don't
4:26
even keep scored. They don't do anything. They just show up and yeah,
4:30
you just show up and they run around like like the little kids.
4:33
Anyways, we're gonna pause because the baby's crying, so we'll be right back.
4:38
All right, we're back. She ate. You can't tell, but
4:42
it's actually been about forty five minutes out there. She ate and she's she's
4:47
back to sleep, so she's all good. Anyways, moral of the story
4:51
from the first however long, was we've been busy, but it is on
4:56
the schedules too. I was trying to get you to record this this last
4:59
weekend. I was like, oh, we need to watch one and record
5:02
and everything like that. Yeah, it was like pie, Yeah, you're
5:05
just throwing it out there. Yeah, I just throw it out there.
5:08
You didn't say like we need to do that, like, oh, let's
5:10
have a third baby. You're like, yeah, sure, let's fine.
5:12
You know, just throw it out there and see what happens. You know,
5:15
Well that was your fault. So anyways, but yeah, thanks for
5:17
Patreon. If anybody else will liked to support, uh just general support,
5:23
sign up at patreon dot com. Slash bless It's mess podcast buy me at
5:27
coffee dot com. We've had some people that's a one off donation. I
5:31
did get a coffee today. I tried the new Starbucks Oat Milk lavender coffee,
5:35
which was seemed I wasn't too sure about the lavender, but actually it
5:40
was really good. And then fall us on Instagram, Facebook. I've been
5:46
doing a lot of reading here lately. Stu took me to the library today
5:49
to get my library card at our New Town because I think he saw all
5:53
the books I ordered that came in. Actually, I went to the library
5:57
to get the tax forms the instruction booklet, so I didn't have to print
6:01
that out. Okay, well yeah, but you were like, happened when
6:06
when? Yes? Because he's like, what do you keep ordering? And
6:10
there's like books coming in from from everywhere. But yeah, so I read
6:14
The Four Winds the other day. That was a recommendation. I'm reading none
6:19
of this is true by uh the kid's Lisa Jewel maybe anyway, So yeah,
6:26
I got I got the I got the books going. So yeah,
6:28
I'm posting on on that. So if you want to check that out.
6:30
We'll be having a new book Club pick come April first. So all right,
6:34
So without further ado, let's get into this week's case out of South
6:41
Carolina. All right, So Gwendolyn Elaine Fogel, she goes by. Elaine
6:46
was born December fifteenth, nineteen fifty one, in Orangeburg, South Carolina,
6:50
to Wells and Murdisfogel. Wells and Murdis. Those are some names, you
6:56
know, the old names. They think that some like the names today are
7:00
weird and stuff like that, but they had some weird names back then too.
7:03
They had did some weird ones. Elaine's family experienced lost early on.
7:09
Murdis and Wells would lose two infant infant daughters that looked like they lost them
7:13
right after they were after they were born, they would didn't even make it
7:15
to a year. And then they had Elaine and for sure one other daughter
7:20
now they Elaine was described as kind and compassionate. She loved being around children
7:26
and even taught Sunday school at her church. Now Elaine ended up moving to
7:29
a home in Walterboro, South Carolina with a room roommate. She was working
7:33
at a doctor's office as a medical Assistant's assistants assistants, no medical assistant typed
7:41
assistants. You're just reading what's on the paper. Yes, I am Stuart,
7:45
that's what. Why do you think I write these like Ron Burgundy?
7:48
You put it in the prompter and she'll read it. Go fuck yourself,
7:51
san Diego, go fuck yourself. Stop Medical assistant in the lab and enjoying
7:57
her life. On May nineteen seventy eight, at about one forty five in
8:03
the morning, Elaine's roommate was being dropped off by a friend. When they
8:07
approached the door, they immediately noticed that the front light the room light was
8:11
on, which struck them as odd since it was so late and they figured
8:16
Elaine would be asleep. They unlocked the front door, and as soon as
8:18
they walked in, they see twenty six year old Elaine. She's lying on
8:22
the floor on her stomach and she appears to be lifeless. There was blood
8:28
everywhere and Elaine was naked from the waist down. They left their house and
8:33
they went and called police from another location. Police arrived at the house on
8:37
South Lemck Street, and they could immediately see that Elaine had struggled pretty mightily
8:43
during the title. Yeah, yes, there was a mighty struggle, a
8:48
mighty struggle, as you might say, I will say so Stu did ask
8:52
me. I wrote nine one one in the paper and she was like,
8:56
was nine on one even the thing? And I'm pretty sure they said one
9:00
on the show I watched. But so he's like, I'm just gonna say
9:03
police. So, just for a fun fact for everybody, the first nine
9:07
to one one call was made in nineteen sixty eight and it was by the
9:13
Alabama Telephone Company and they're the ones that decided to implement it, which is
9:18
the last time Alabama was on the forefront of anything. Am I right?
9:22
What? No? I got talidagon? Okay, Yeah, so they're not
9:26
really cutting edge over there, and started driving NASCAR and that's why I raced,
9:30
was Alabama. Hmm. Anyway, so it wasn't until in like nineteen
9:33
seventy nine there was only twenty six percent of the United States was using nine
9:37
one, so they may or may not have been using nine on one.
9:41
But you interrupted me for this, Yeah, I did. People not that
9:45
that's like a fun fact, Stude. Everybody loves a fun fact, except
9:50
for you. I guess I'm trying to We're trying to educate people as well,
9:56
Stewart, this is an educational podcast. Yes, that's what you're going
10:01
is a moral So we're going to go with educational nonprofit. So money is
10:07
we don't have to pay taxes. Yes, that's correct. I'd like we're
10:13
doing the Lord's work right now. We are. Anyway, continuing on,
10:18
she fought mightily. I did not write that, guys, Okay, that
10:22
did not I did not type that out. You know, you just wrote
10:24
that she had struggled. Yeah, okay, she struggled, but it looked
10:30
like she had fought pretty hard during this assault. Anyway, it was clear
10:35
to the police on scene that she had been sexually assaulted. They found her
10:39
underwear lying on the couch, and they also discovered that the point of entry
10:43
was a window in the back of the house. It was one of those
10:48
windows that has multiple pains in it, and it one of the pains had
10:52
been knocked out, like somebody reached in unlocked the window and they gained entry
10:56
that way. The home was in disarray. A table was overturned in the
11:00
front room, there was items thrown everywhere, There's broken glass all over the
11:05
floor, and it was clear that Elaine had pretty fought pretty hard for her
11:09
life, or as one might say, mightily. Despite the appearance there were
11:15
no items of value taken from the home. The only thing missing was a
11:18
set of keys of Elane's. The crime scene was dusted for prints, and
11:22
they were also able to obtain a semen sample from the autopsy. When they
11:26
dusted four prints, two distinct fingerprints were discovered on the window and on the
11:33
table that was overton turned, and there was also a palm print a partial
11:37
pom print. They did find the murder weapon at the scene, and it
11:41
was a steel fire poker that somehow this person was able to actually bend and
11:48
wrap around Elane's neck. Because the autopsy would later confirm that Elaine had died
11:54
from strangulation after being raped and beaten severely with that fire poker, then that
12:00
person took it and actually bent it around her neck to strangler. Yeah,
12:05
died from strangulation, Yes, I did. Okay, just saying anyway,
12:09
so it was clear that the person had some mytelee strength. You're just gonna
12:16
make fun of me for the rest of the time. Yeah, wow,
12:18
did you bring your the saurus? I might have you like that Friend's episode
12:24
where Joey didn't never I know your psycho. The Friend's episode where Joey was
12:31
trying to write a letter to the adoption agency as to why Monica and Chandler
12:35
should get a baby, and so he was trying to sound smart, so
12:39
he used the saurus and he signed it because his name is Joey. He
12:43
signed it baby kangaroo because he was using the saurus for other words. Anyways,
12:52
that was not funny at all. You're an idiot, you have.
12:56
You don't understand funny because you don't like friends, and that makes you mightily
13:01
dumb. Anyways, I don't hate it. I just you don't like it,
13:07
and I think that there's something innately wrong. Well, you had seven
13:11
years to figure that out. Okay, Well now we're I'm in too deep.
13:16
I'm three kids deep into this and I can't get out. Help me,
13:20
all right. So police began to interview friends and family to track Elaine's
13:24
activities that evening leading up to her death. They found out that she had
13:28
babysit that night, and she'd left that job around eleven fifteen. Now,
13:33
the home where she was babysitting was about fifteen minutes from her house, so
13:35
they could assume she got home around eleven thirty. They believe she entered the
13:41
home turned on that front room light, and as she walked through the house,
13:45
she came upon her killer, who was already in the home. She
13:48
ran for the front door when she was then attacked and then a struggle ensued.
13:54
When speaking to family members, the only thing they could think of was
13:56
Elaine had mentioned that she was concerned about someone trying to still drugs from the
14:01
doctor's office where she worked. Now, with this information, they start to
14:05
believe maybe the killer broken to still Lane's keys to gain access to the doctor's
14:09
office. Now they contact that doctor's office, but they never had anything like
14:15
noted of any medications missing or anybody coming into the facility that they knew of
14:20
it, Like, yeah, there was no bra in attempted, no matter.
14:24
Well, they would be breaking in if they had keys, but I
14:28
don't know if she had. She probably had keys. I doubt she had
14:31
keys to the whole medical facility. She probably just had key because she was
14:35
a lab assistant, so she probably just had keys to that area. I
14:39
doubt she had keys to the whole place, you know. Yeah, it's
14:43
sort of been a break in at some point to get to anyways. But
14:46
so they stopped looking at me like that, So they continued, So this
14:52
was just something that she had mentioned to friends and family. It's the only
14:54
thing they have to go off of. They they monitor that doctor's office.
14:58
They tell them to keep an eye out for an anything that might have go
15:01
up missing or any strange activity, and nothing comes from it. For weeks
15:05
that the doctor's office never has anything happen, So then they're able to rule
15:09
that out as part of the motive. They don't know why they took Elaine's
15:13
keys, but it wasn't to get access to that doctor's office. Without much
15:18
to go on, police turned to the community looking for any tips. They
15:22
did receive one what they thought was credible tip about a career criminal that lived
15:30
in the neighborhood because he had the uh the physical strength they thought to bend
15:35
a fire poker. Now supposedly his wife and he was a career criminal,
15:41
was the main thing. Start. Well, if he was an eighty pound
15:43
career criminal that was forging checks, we don't know what people are capable of,
15:48
okay, anyway, so his wife had mentioned, so I know what
15:54
you're capable of. Now. His wife had a mentioned to a friend that
16:00
this suspect had come home late the night. Elaine was murdered. He had
16:04
scratched that's what the friend is saying. The friend. The friend is the
16:07
one who came forward to police as the tipster and said a the wife told
16:14
her one that he had came home with these scratches and this blood on him,
16:18
and it came home late. So they're getting the tip. I haven't
16:22
gone to that, partners, So anyway, finish ups too. I'll try
16:30
Now. He had scratches on his face and chested and had blood on him,
16:36
according to the informant. I guess we'll call her. She the wife
16:41
supposedly told her that it looked like he had been in a fight. So
16:45
police bring him in and he claimed that he had nothing to do with the
16:48
murder. Now this is some time after the murder, so the if he
16:53
did have any scratches, they wouldn't have been present. Yeah, they would
16:59
have been held up by then, because this was a little bit of time
17:02
that they got the word out to the community and then they started, you
17:06
know, getting these tips that came in to be able to trace this back
17:10
and see if this is a legitimate claim or not. Yeah, So after
17:14
however long it took for this to happen, his wounds would have been healed
17:18
up had he gotten any to begin with. Now, he claims he was
17:22
at home with his wife that night and they take fingerprints and the police are
17:26
not able to match his fingerprints to the ones found at the crime scene.
17:30
Since they had no evidence connecting him to the crime scene, they had to
17:33
let him go. He did end up leaving town, but police were solely
17:37
focused on him as the murderer, but they were never able to find anything
17:41
that did connect him. They kind of had tunnel vision on him. They
17:45
were like, this guy's a career criminal. He was in the neighborhood,
17:48
he's a larger way. We have somebody saying that he was had blood all
17:52
over him that night, like this is our guy. And then now he's
17:55
suspicious because he left town and everything. But they have absolutely no evidence on
17:59
it. And I think he did take a polygraph test, not that that
18:02
means anything, but he did pass it. But they really focused in on
18:06
him, and I think it took up a lot of the resources whenever they
18:08
should have possibly moved back to Yeah, after years of no progress, the
18:15
case went cold. It wasn't until May of twenty fifteen, when a new
18:18
detective was put on the case that new light would be shed on the evidence.
18:23
Now, the detective worked through the original list of suspects, ruling out
18:26
all of them, including the one that they spent the most time on.
18:30
The neighbor with that criminal passed. Now, the detective tracked down the wife
18:33
of the neighbor and she actually, you know that got the queer criminal.
18:37
His wife She confirmed that he had been home that night and that she had
18:42
never told this coworker friend of hers that he had had come home with blood
18:48
and stuff on him. So this, I don't know if this you know
18:51
what I think maybe there was like a love triangle, like the coworker slash
18:56
friend was sleeping with the husband and he's like, I can't leave my wife.
19:02
I'm a career criminal. She supports me in my career aspects. You
19:06
want me to like, you know, live a straight life and everything that
19:08
and I can't do that. So yes, So then she got real upset
19:14
about this, and she's been waiting, she's been planning. Yeah, she's
19:18
been gone girl, and this shit she's been trying to like long long con
19:22
like when can I stick it to this guy? And then she's like,
19:25
finally someone got murdered in his neighborhood. I'm gonna turn him into the police,
19:29
but I gotta do it in a sideway. I gotta, I gotta.
19:32
She's she's like, uh, Lisa vander Pump whenever, whenever, she
19:37
said, Oh, she's a sniper from the side. So so the coworker
19:42
was like, I'm a sniper from the side. She's trying to take him
19:45
out from that angle because she's a lover spurned. Remember that episode. Yeah,
19:49
yep, that's a That's exactly what happened. So they so then they're
19:56
like, Okay, well, this guy didn't do it. There's nothing,
19:59
there was no evidence. Back now the wife's denying that she even said it,
20:02
so let's move on from him. They also ran down a lead from
20:07
a jailhouse informant from back in the nineteen eighties. Now, some inmates told
20:11
police that two men were bragging about killing Lane with the fire poker, which
20:15
is so weird that we've been watching a lot of lock Up and it's just
20:18
so weird that people brag about you, yeah, like killing people. It's
20:23
crazy. However, it was determined that the two men in question would not
20:26
have been able to commit the murders, and that the information about the fire
20:30
poker was actually just well known around the town of Walterborough. It's not a
20:33
big town, Like this information is going to get out that she was strangled
20:37
to death with the fire poker that was bit in half. Like this is
20:41
uh trying to get some jail house cred. Yes. Now, while they're
20:45
running down the tips that they had received, they had submitted the seamen sample
20:48
that they had with the DNA to see if there was a profile in the
20:53
coatis now. The problem with the profile that they were able to obtain is
20:59
that it was a mix of a Liane's DNA and the killers. So this
21:02
gave him a very low chance of getting a hit if any in the code
21:06
system. But they ran the DNA profile anyway and they had zero luck.
21:11
The detective continued interviewing anyone he could and obtaining DNA samples to run against the
21:18
profile. He evidently he tried to run everyone's DNA that lived in Waterboro.
21:25
This is a long time though, Like, what how does he think that?
21:27
I mean, we're gonna mention it, but we're not going to mention
21:32
it. There's some rough group, okay, So it was a rough crowd
21:36
in Walterboro. It was a rough family. Okay, it was a lot
21:40
of The cousin seemed to be with it, with it, and her husband,
21:45
the main detective seemed to be with it. But the the sled lab
21:52
lady was a little off. The sister was very off. The other sister
21:59
was off, I think, or no, it wasn't his sister. There
22:00
was another lady who she was off. So it was a It was a
22:06
group, you know. It didn't seem like there was a lot of people
22:07
to pick from in Walterborough to reproduce with. But wow, I guess we
22:14
won't be getting any levet from walt Boro on this episode. But I'm just
22:18
saying that the detective it was, it was like he was going around getting
22:22
I mean, I guess the odds of them being in Walterborough could be there,
22:26
but it just seemed like a small town. I don't think the person
22:29
who did this would still be living there. It seemed low. You know,
22:33
I think we need a branch out. I've seen plenty of them where
22:37
the killer just went about his business living in town. I guess it's true
22:41
anyways, but basically, he rean every sample of every person he could find
22:45
in the town anybody that was willing to give up. He took it.
22:47
He took it and ran it and it wasn't happening. Now they had one
22:51
more piece of evidence they could run, and that was the fingerprints obtained at
22:56
the scene. And this was so again this explained well. But this is
23:03
why I'm saying that the sled lady that was the south or the State Law
23:08
Enforcement Division, the lab lady that was retired that had worked this case,
23:15
she all of a sudden was like, oh my god, we totally forgot
23:18
we had fingerprints. It's like, did you forget about the fingerprints? That's
23:23
the first thing I thought. It was like, run the DNA and run
23:26
the fingerprints. And so for some reason, the fingerprints weren't in the This
23:32
is why I'm saying that the lady didn't seem that with it. But anyways,
23:37
it seemed like the group didn't seem like they were graduated first in their
23:42
class. But anyways, no, so she realized they had the fingerprints,
23:48
which I would have thought that they Yeah, not even the actual cards with
23:52
I guess, not the cards with the fingerprints. I get, Well,
23:55
however, you obtained the print from the well they dust them the tape transfer
24:00
to whatever, but they didn't even have that. She was the photographer on
24:04
the scene, I believe, yes, and they took pictures of it.
24:07
Yeah, So she took pictures of the fingerprints and so apparently those weren't actually
24:12
in the case file. She had them in some sort of file cabinet back
24:15
at her office. But she's retired, so she had to call the current
24:19
person that's in that lab and say, hey, I have these fingerprints in
24:23
this the photos of these fingerprints in this file cabinet. Can you go get
24:27
them and compare them to and run them in the system, the APHIS system
24:33
or whatever. And so the guy goes and gets the fingerprint, the pictures
24:37
of the fingerprints, runs him in the APHIS system, and that's when they
24:41
actually get a hit. But it was just I know, but it was
24:45
just like it's so silly because they're just like, oh. She was like,
24:48
oh my god, we totally forgot we had those fingerprints over there.
24:51
I'm like, what is wrong with you people? I'm I don't even know
24:53
what I'm doing, and I'm like, haven't you watched an episode of Dateline?
24:59
One would think anyway, So the name that came back. Was James
25:02
Willie Butterfield. Now it sounds like a nice name, but he was not
25:06
a nice man. It does not sound like it. Willy was a fifty
25:08
nine year old man with an intimidating, intimidating presence. He was over six
25:14
feet tall and weighed over two hundred and fifty pounds, meaning he would have
25:17
had the strength to been that still poker. He would have mightily that poker,
25:23
gonna mightily take it to you. His name was also familiar to this
25:27
case. Willi had been a suspect back in nineteen seventy eight, but was
25:32
officially dismissed as a suspect after several interviews with police. So they didn't really
25:37
have anything to go on with him. I think he was just a one
25:40
of the guys. Maybe he had some criminal activity. They talked to him,
25:44
they let him. He was a large fellow. Yeah, it's just
25:45
a big guy. They just let him go. Police do track down Willie,
25:51
and he is He was at that time in a state facility for the
25:56
criminally insane. Now they didn't call it a state facility for the criminal insane.
26:00
I just put the criminally insane because and I'm Ron Burgundy. So I
26:03
just read what's on the pro because I felt I find that just so much
26:07
worse than just a state hospital. You know, it's criminal the criminally insane,
26:12
because then you just think of Slayer. No. No, they got
26:18
a tall song where they talk about the criminally insane. Okay, well,
26:22
I don't speak your devil music that you listen to over there. No,
26:26
I was thinking of serious black or in they're like the picture in the from
26:33
He's from Azkaban and he's you know, Harry Potter. Oh of course.
26:40
If they don't, then please exit to a stage left. Wow. Okay,
26:44
if you don't like friends and Harry Potter and housewives, I mean,
26:47
what are you even doing here. I don't know what I'm doing here.
26:49
I don't know what you're doing here either. I've asked you to leave multiple
26:53
times. You just refuse to leave. So now we have three children,
26:56
I'll leave. Now that we have three children, I'm all about leaving.
27:02
Oh no, I can't wait to go back to work. I'm kidding it.
27:04
They're a blessing. So anyway, Willie was sitting in the Hospital for
27:15
the Criminally Insane for the criminally Insane, awaiting trial on several unrelated charges to
27:19
this. The detective went to pay Willy a visit and he claimed that he
27:25
didn't remember an Elaine Foe. The detective obtains the DNA sample from Willie sends
27:30
it to the lab to compare to the one that they had found at the
27:33
crime scene. The DNA did come back as a match, and they had
27:37
their guy now evidently the one that they'd sent in, since he wasn't in
27:44
the code of system at all. It wasn't a matter of the it wouldn't
27:48
even come back. It wasn't the mixed DNA that caused it not to come
27:52
back. It was just that Willy had not done anything that would get his
27:56
DNA in the system to begin with. So there was not even something they
27:59
were like, maybe we have to look at this guy or something. Yeah,
28:03
but anyways, but they were able to get a match though this is
28:06
this is their guy. Yes, So on December fifth to December fifth,
28:11
December first, December one, as STU would say, twenty fifteen, Willie
28:18
Butterfield was charged with you know, with a name like that, he should
28:22
have been like running a bacon a food truck or something. It's like,
28:27
uh no, Willi's Butterfield. I don't know if i'd want any food from
28:32
Willy No, but like with the name like Butterfield, you should serve something
28:36
with like a lot of buttering it And you could be like fields of butter
28:41
by Butterfield or something you know, like a and it could be what's something
28:48
with a lot of butter in it? Rolls? No, Stu, what's
28:53
wrong with you? All right? So Willie Butterfield was charged with murder,
28:57
first degree criminals setual conduct, and first degree burglary. In July of twenty
29:03
seventeen, before a trial could even be held, Willi was determined to be
29:07
mentally unfit to stand trial and he was sent back to that mental facility for
29:11
the criminally insane, and so that was where he was being housed and they
29:15
just sent him back there. Which what's crazy to me is that the family
29:18
acts shocked that he was ruled too insane to stand trial. But he came
29:25
from a mental facility, so obviously he had already been determined for his previous
29:30
crimes that he was too unfit to stand trial. That's why he's in the
29:36
mental facility. So this guy obviously had some serious mental issues. Because it's
29:42
hard to get uh what's the word to plea insanity. It's hard to plea
29:52
insanity these days, Like it doesn't happen though often you have to be really,
29:56
you have to be truly mentally ill to get that in a cordilaw,
30:00
you know, because I think anybody who murder somebody is probably a little bit
30:03
criminally and but you have to really, you have to, really, he
30:10
was such an upstanding citizen. I mean, he just accident. Well you
30:14
don't. You don't see too many people get get determined to be unfit to
30:18
stand trial. But I do feel bad for the family because they did want
30:22
they wanted a full trial, they wanted him to be accountable. But it
30:26
just, I mean, this is where we're at. He was, yeah,
30:30
he'd already been sitting in the in the mental institution for god knows how
30:33
long, and they're like, I can't believe we're not going to get justice.
30:36
It's like, really, well, I know, but I know,
30:40
but that I understand what they're saying. They wanted a trial, they wanted
30:41
all that stuff, and it's hard to wrap your head around that. But
30:45
the fact was is that they said he will remain in that statemental facility in
30:48
Columbia for the rest of his life. And so this allowed police to actually
30:52
officially close out Elaine's murder crate case. So I mean, the good news
30:56
is is he's not getting out, so and for the rest of the public,
31:00
that's the good thing, like he's not getting out. But for them,
31:04
they wanted him to actually be found guilty and have that closure and they
31:08
didn't really get that, so that's unfortunate for them. Now the medical facility,
31:15
so there was some good that came out this. A medical facility where
31:18
Lane worked actually created a scholarship in her honor, and this is given to
31:22
a high school student that wants to pursue a medical degree. So something positive
31:26
to come out of it that they're doing to remember a Lane. So anyways,
31:33
well, we've offended everybody in Walterborough. I think I offended everybody in
31:37
Alabama as well. Yes, definitely some of the family members in this case.
31:45
Now we're not going to be able to do Southern true crime podcast anymore
31:49
if you just keep offending. I know, I can't keep knocking out states
31:52
because I mean, Jersey, we lost them. But well, I mean,
31:56
what do you wanna do? They brought the Jersey Shore or something back.
32:00
I know, but we also brought uh I never watched it, but
32:04
we have that uh Flora Bama Shore or something like that. It's the Florida
32:09
again. Alabama's it's Alabama's fall. We have Florida. We have fen Florida
32:14
every week with the Florida not Florida. Yeah. Anybody who doesn't like Harry
32:20
Potter, anybody who doesn't like Friends, anybody who doesn't like the Royal Housewives.
32:24
So chick, chick, chick. You got anybody internationally you'd like to
32:29
insult? England, France, Ireland, anybody. No, not right now,
32:35
Okay, I don't. I think I'm good, all right, Oh,
32:37
except for all the people that, oh, you know, who needs
32:40
to be ashamed of themselves, all the people that went on about the Cape
32:44
Middleton rumors and sit there and discuss that the poor girl had abdominal surgery.
32:51
And I was already thinking, I'm like, what are they giving a hard
32:52
time for that takes months to recover from. That's not a simple surgery on
32:58
your arm or something that's your abdomen. So she's just sitting it out and
33:01
everything. I'm like, why don't they leaving this girl alone? And then
33:04
she has to come out and tell Berty she has cancer. It's like,
33:06
come on, what's wrong with you people? So yeah, all those people
33:08
suck. Well you know who else sucks? All the free Brittany people.
33:13
Because I was like, are you sure Brittany how to be free? What
33:15
do you know is going on there? I was part of the free Brittany.
33:17
I was not. I was like, I don't know, I'm not
33:19
too sure. Maybe they got a reason to have a conservatorship on her.
33:23
And then they freed Brittany and yeah she does. Look Brittany freed does love.
33:29
She just acting cookie. Yeah, I mean it's her money decked kookie
33:34
with it's her right as a person. I mean, look, Amanda Bynes
33:37
is free and she's obviously Oh that's a new one. Well, how was
33:42
that a new one? You've been missing out on the Amanda Bynes stuff because
33:45
she's been no I had put the quiet on the set of documentary on or
33:49
whatever. So of course they talked about Amanda Bndes. Maybe they just said
33:52
she was crazy to shut her up and know she's crazy. She has Yeah,
33:55
she's crazy. I don't think we're supposed to sa crazy. She I
34:00
think she was diagnosed with schizophrenia. Schizophrenia which does have an onset, a
34:07
late onset of like around like age twenty five or so, like that is
34:09
the average age, I think. But anyways, no, she she I
34:13
met Amanda Bnes once. Student know this, but if anybody knows, when
34:16
you remember, the store is Stephen Barry's, and not to be confused with
34:22
Twig and Berry's. Stephen Barry's. They were these like clothing stores and there
34:28
was one in Arlington, Texas, and they used to collaborate with celebrities,
34:31
so they had Sarah Jessica Parker did a line there, and then Amanda Bynes
34:36
did one, and so she actually came to the Arlington store and she was
34:38
signing autographs. So me and my mom went and got the autograph and met
34:45
Amanda Bynes, and then I guess her illness had an onset and she she
34:50
ended up They found her neked in the middle of a crosswalk in California,
34:57
and she's had a bunch of so she went, she got admitted to a
35:00
mental facility and she spent how many of her years there and then she got
35:05
out. She's had like a bunch of plastic surgery. She has a heart
35:07
tattoo under her eye. She's completely unrecognizable, and now she's gonna she's I
35:12
think she had a podcast and now she's going to be a manicurist. Like
35:15
she's not well. She shouldn't be. And you can tell Brittany is not
35:21
well either. But free Amanda, Free Brittany. Best we can do is
35:25
OJ. Best we can do is OJI. That was the running joke that
35:30
was, like free Brittany, God's like best I can give you is OJ.
35:34
So yep, the meme from the old pongh Yeah. Anyways, all
35:37
right, Sue, do you have a y'all need Jesus? Yes? I
35:39
do? Okay coming to us this week? From The New York Post,
35:43
published January twentieth, twenty twenty four, by one Catherine don Lavit don Levy
35:52
underwear, stealing, burglar, rearranged, stalking victims home during a heist Florida
36:01
Not Florida, not Florida, Idaho cops say and armed and dangerous transient thief
36:07
has been breaking into the homes of women he was stalking. Do you want
36:10
to know why? I don't think it's Florida. Why Because they're organizing things,
36:15
they're cleaning things, they're doing things. Wow, Floridians, you're just
36:21
basing all this on my airbnb. And we got that one. Yes,
36:23
not because they didn't clean it. Oh yeah, it was. I had
36:29
to file a complaint. I was a full on I was a justified Karen
36:34
in that moment that we actually had to leave that for It was so we
36:37
had an airbnb and it was so disgusting. So we only had one child
36:42
at the time. I was pregnant with our son. We booked the airbnb.
36:46
And so she's walking around. She's barefoot because you know, she's a
36:51
baby, and and I don't believe in shoes for babies. You know,
36:54
controversial topic with my mother in law, but for me, at least put
37:00
on some flip flops. You don't walk around a house or nothing. Okay
37:02
a baby, yes, no. Anyways, because they needed they need to
37:07
fill their feet. They need to understand like what what their feet are not
37:13
Anyways, she walks around it. Within ten minutes her feet are black on
37:16
the bottom. That's how disgusting. Yes, that's how disgusting this airbnb was.
37:21
The photos were not that we were getting the wish version of the photos
37:27
that we that we saw on the Airbnb. So the wish you know,
37:31
like the the things do. Yes. So we got the the alternative Amazon,
37:38
Yes, so we we got the everybody we got the wish version at
37:43
the Airbnb anyway, So that like I was like, we're not staying here.
37:46
We didn't even unpack our stuff. We didn't try not to touch anything.
37:50
Well, we didn't have any choice. We were there late. What
37:52
were we going to do. I'm just saying we stayed one night. Yeah,
37:54
we stayed one night, and I was like, immediately, we're not
37:57
unpacking our stuff, We're not doing anything. We're not touching anything in here.
38:00
Will get takeout. We were not using any of the and we've had
38:02
we've had really good experience with Airbnb, like super nice airbnbs and everything was
38:07
great. Not this one. And so we left the next morning, drove
38:10
an hour and a half or two to Daytona, Yeah, and got a
38:14
hotel there. An Airbnb did give back the money for them because they're like,
38:17
Okay, it must have been pretty bad if they were, they're not
38:21
just trying to get away with get I wasn't trying to get free nights.
38:23
I was. I mean, it was a lot of an inconvenience for us
38:25
to leave with a toddler, and I was pregnant. It was a anyways,
38:31
go on, that's why I don't think it's Florida. Go On,
38:34
it's the one dirty airbion ban. Yeah, it's one dirty airband nine done
38:37
passed off Florida again twice. Well, that's a crystal territory. Okay,
38:43
I guess I'll just start over. I guess No, you don't have an
38:45
armed and dangerous transient thief has been breaking into the homes of women he has
38:49
been stalking, and even took the time to rearrange one of his victims furniture.
38:53
Ida hope, please, said Jacob Smart. Thirty eight was named Thursday
38:59
as man they had been hunting over the last several months for carrying out a
39:04
string of burglaries and boise. The looter was caught on multiple surveillance videos nonchalantly
39:10
walking in into his victim's properties, one time feeling comfortable enough to pet the
39:15
homeowner's dog as it followed him around the yard. Hello, Roscoe, and
39:21
bring a couple of Pupperonis. Well, at least the dog. At least
39:23
he was nice to the dog. I mean, this is true. We
39:27
would have all been outraged. Had he kicked the dog or any other way
39:31
would have been of the entires. We wouldn't even been able to do it
39:35
about the dog abuse. We wouldn't like trigger warning dogs kicked. He also
39:42
forced his way inside on several occasions by kicking down the doors. The videos
39:46
show. Once inside his victims home, Smart allegedly nabbed their underwear, debit
39:52
and credit cards, weapons and more. Oh, the old granny panty grabber.
39:58
Well, I thought he was just throwing under aware, the thong thief,
40:01
the panty pilfer. Did you just come up with those? Yes?
40:08
I do. I don't believe you just came up with them. I just
40:13
found a story like ago. Okay. Did they say that you think I'm
40:16
that quick? Did they say that in the article that they give those names?
40:20
They did not? Okay, And at least while you were on top
40:22
of things, and at least one instance, Smart did some redecorating, according
40:27
to the police. And if you would come in and like still underwear and
40:30
then clean the house afterwards, he can take mine for sure. Just come
40:34
in quietly, clean the house, take the underwear, and leaf. What
40:37
if they were moist panties? That's fine, if you'll just clean the house
40:40
first. I don't care. And moist is the most disgusting word, yes,
40:45
I know, I just found that. And panties, I mean,
40:47
I'm talking about it underwear some drawers. I mean, how do you not
40:52
slip moist panties in? Because somewhere somebody is disgusted by it? Both those
40:59
words. I don't like the word panties. I call them underwear or moist
41:05
or moist, which is which is hard to get away from because I make
41:10
some banana bread and it's moist. It is, and it's so good.
41:16
But I would never use that word to describe it though. Well, I
41:20
like when my banana's moist, Stewart, what's wrong with you? I don't
41:27
like them too? Green fish Jesus or just go come on now. In
41:36
one burglary, the suspect moved the personal items around in the home. In
41:39
another burglary, the suspect entered the home while the victims were asleep. That's
41:45
scary. Fuck. Yeah, if you're going to steal my underworar and clean
41:47
my house, please do it while I'm out. Yes, stole house keys
41:52
and then and was then seen on surveillance video, later attempting to re enter
41:57
the house, but the victims had already changed locks. Smart Yes. Smart
42:04
is accused of carrying out five burglaries and boise between August and October twenty twenty
42:09
three, and may have continued his heist beyond state lines. Multiple stolen the
42:16
involved maybe multiple stolen goods, including several from the boise victims, were recently
42:22
covered when he was picked up in Oregon, But Smart fled? Will you
42:28
kiss everybody else off by calling it Oregon over there? Well you do that
42:32
already, I know, episodes and episodes ago. But Smart fled while cops
42:39
were attempting to place him under arrest. Loose. Smart is still on the
42:45
land and is aware of the five hundred thousand dollars nationwide extra ditable. Oh
42:52
my god, am I just invited him into our home? You did?
42:55
He is considered armed and dangerous, police said, because he did still the
43:00
guns. Smart is described as being five ft eleven inches tall and weighing two
43:05
hundred pounds, with brown eyes and brown hair. Oh. I thought we
43:07
were almost describing stew What the fat part of the tall part? Because I
43:13
ain't that tall? The fat part short fat? I got you I got
43:20
you. Law enforcement believes. Law enforcement believes he traveled recently through the Pacific
43:29
Northwest. Well, he wasn't Oregon, so he's in. Yeah, he's
43:35
it's a long way from him. When was this article January of this year?
43:38
Oh, well, he could be anywhere at this point? Could could
43:42
you literally go from here to New York in? I don't think he's here
43:45
hours. I don't think he's here in Opaso, Texas though. Oh,
43:50
you're trying to throw him over us. We also have those large pit bulls
43:53
that we watch. We do. We we have seven pit bulls and trained
44:00
shepherds that we that were retired from the police department. We do keep them
44:04
here with us. Plus multiple guns, plus multiple security systems, and a
44:13
very angry, angry three year olds. We got a tech cat actually too.
44:17
We do have a kid, and we actual Jinks will growl at the
44:21
door when somebody comes to. Of all those other things, the only thing
44:24
that's true is the is the tech cat. He growls at the door if
44:30
anybody comes to. I wonder if he'd actually jump on somebody's face, if
44:32
they can in attack. He might. He's crazy. Jangles is too fat
44:37
and lazy, oh yeah. By the way, Jinks is still alive as
44:40
of this is still him. Yeah, even though the vet said he could
44:45
die tomorrow or a year from now. That was that was four years ago.
44:50
He's still plucking along, growling at people gonna get the panty pilfer,
45:00
granny panty grabber? What was the other one? Long thief underwear, you
45:07
surper? I don't know what. Can we work in the word mightily Our
45:14
ass must have been big for those panties to mightily hold it back. I
45:17
don't know. Oh my god. Okay, all right, that's even enough
45:22
for the from what do you call them? The the hay stews to what
45:29
do you what you call them? You say something hay stews, to buy
45:37
stews, the hebbs, hey everyone by oh hey everyone, to buy stews?
45:44
Okay, yes, the the hebbs that stick around from beginning to end,
45:47
for all the stupidity. All right, So check us out our Patreon.
45:52
Thank you for everybody else's who's joined here recently. We'll do a we'll
45:55
do a call out next time of everybody who's signed up, and then Instagram
46:00
Facebook buys a coffee and I think that's all, so we will see you
46:06
next time by everyone, say bye to Don't you know it's bad to be
46:15
supersticiot? My nothing else, it's working and my hand it's really learning and
46:24
sick. It's worried by Camba