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"From Somewhere In Between" with James Clark of Kill The Lights · Caught on the Mike...

• 0:05
  SPEAKER_01: Warning that due to some language and subject matter, listener discretion is advised.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_01: Back in the band days when I was making music, I was attempted to leave where I lived at in Omaha, Nebraska, and make Minneapolis, Minnesota my new home.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_01: Largely because of the good friends I made there and the music of the moment that we were there.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_01: On this episode of podcast, I get the pleasure of talking to one of my good friends, James Clark, the lead singer of Fearless Records recording supergroup Kill the Lies.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_01: He takes a deep dive into the road that led him where he's at today.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_01: And we often share a little bit of a bond about how being dads have kind of changed us over time.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_01: And we talk a little bit about how we defaced a cardboard cutout of an ASCAR star.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_01: Ladies and gentlemen, this is caught on the mic.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_01: James Clark, how the hell are you, man?
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_01: I am living the dream.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_01: How how long has it been since we've seen each other?
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_01: Ten years?
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna say 10, right?
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_01: 10.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_01: I gotta tell you, I I've been excited about this all week.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_01: Uh took the family out to dinner tonight and we drove separately.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_01: My wife and the kids drove separately.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_01: We ate supper, and I decided to kind of take the slow drive home, and I listened to the scope of your discography, everything I knew you from.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_01: How deep did you go though?
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I could I I went as far as the payback.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't go further than that because what was your what was your first Minneapolis band?
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_01: Two ton crutch?
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_01: Oh shit, I even remembered that.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_01: But uh I I went as far back as the payback, and I gotta say, the scope of Kill the Lights, and I don't say this to dismiss any of your past projects, yeah, but the scope of that band is so fucking huge, man.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's it's exciting.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's just so I mean, when you're playing with guys like the guys I'm playing with, I mean, it it's awesome, right?
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_00: So I get to play with like phenomenal musicians that have all been in super huge bands, and uh I'm the I'm kind of the lucky guy, you know what I mean?
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_00: So uh, but yeah, just the level, right?
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_00: It's the just the level it's kind of brought it to, you know.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_00: And so I mean, I guess you talk about kind of the evolution of m me doing band things from like the payback, which was kind of a punk band, right?
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_00: To to kind of throw the fire.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, even Two Tongue Crush, the first band was a rap rock band, right?
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_00: So I mean it's like I've kind of hit I've hit my genres, you know, but I think a lot of it's just really realistically like 20 years of of of singing and being part of it and finding my my kind of my niche, right?
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, you know, I think it's the acute kill of the lights is kind of the it's ramped up to that place where it's probably the best is the best stuff I've ever done, you know.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_01: So absolutely, and that's kind of where we all want to end up.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_01: Let's kind of dig into the James Clark story a little bit.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_01: First and foremost, how the hell did you end up in Minneapolis?
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_00: Well, like even when I was 15, right?
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_00: I was 15, 15 years old, played my first show.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um, band called Agent Orange in England.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and even even then we did quite well for 15-year-olds, you know, and played some regional shows and did some stuff.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_00: And I'd always kind of like dreamed of coming to America and uh, you know, doing a high school or college.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_00: So uh I was kind of lucky enough to get uh exchange student kind of scholarship thing to go to do a year of high school here and played soccer and old hockey and everything and loved it and then had the opportunity to come back for college.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_00: So at that time, and then I I'd uh it's kind of funny.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_00: I this is in the in the days of a newspaper when people would put like an ad in for hey, looking for a band member, right?
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, I had my like a rollerbags, no cell phone, it was kind of old school.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_00: So I called up this number, and that's uh I got an audition for what was two ton crutch.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_00: And I kind of said to myself, if if the band plays a show or gets a show, I'll I'll stay in America.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_00: If if they don't, I'm gonna go back and go to college in in England.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_00: So we'd gotten a show we'd got a show two weeks prior to me gonna leave gonna leave, so I stayed.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_00: So that was kind of how I and then you know I ended up going to the University of Minnesota, graduated from there, but um, and then was in bands kind of from that.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_01: So so you just gambled everything on one band and one show?
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_00: Literally, and then I I came back.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um so when I came back, I'd come back, I was coming back for one semester of college, and then that's when two tongue crush happened, right?
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_00: And I I I was sleeping on a futon mattress, uh, a gifted one, like a on the floor.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_00: I had not I had nothing.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_00: So I mean I I I remember but down down in uptown, we kind of lived just in the ghetto part of uptown.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_00: Uh and um I remember having to get the bus over where I had no car, and I remember being it was so cold the secondary college that I had the bus back, but I got off in the wrong stop and I got lost for like 45 minutes, it was minus 20 out.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_00: And like it was not a good situation to be, you know.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_00: I was in super ghetto Minneapolis, and I was lost and I had no idea where I was going.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_00: And uh yeah, luckily I managed to walk around for 45 minutes and found the found the house.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_00: But this is like pre-cell phone, pre-map, anything, right?
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, so so I guess um I I've got my my dues in right when it comes to kind of time in and uh dealing with living on a futon mattress and nothing else.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_01: So Two Ton Crutch, first first band in Minneapolis.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_01: Talk a little bit about what kind of music you were making with Two Ton Crutch, when you were making it, who were some of your influences at the time, and who were you playing with?
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so it was um, I mean, it was very Rage Against Machine-esque oriented, you know, rap rocky, I guess.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_00: Uh it was a time.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_00: So, I mean, the first ever national show we we played was when Powerman 5000 were blowing up, and then we went on and played the next show.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_00: I think the next national show was with uh Mudbane when they're doing LD50 to, you know, when the album came out.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_00: And then we actually managed to pick up the same management as Mudbane.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_00: And um, you know, so it was a time of like First Avenue, and there was a lot of ton of stuff going on.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_00: The music scene was really, really good.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, you'd have a Sunday show at uh First Avenue local, and it'd be 600 kids there.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_00: It was brilliant, you know.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so yeah, so we kind of transpired from there, and um we got some management at some like did at a demo deal with kind of Sony and then what else?
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we played like X Fest, um, and that was all I mean.
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_00: So it was that was a time when uh Paparoach would just break, right?
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_00: So we played the 10.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_00: Paparoach played before us, we played second.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that was kind of the trajectory of of where that was going.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_00: And um, yeah, so obviously we you know there's two twins in the band, Eric and Joe, and then another Eric.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_00: Uh still speak to him now.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um we actually played like a reunion show like five, six years ago for fun.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_00: It was a good time, you know.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_00: But yes, good guys, and um kind of kind of separated uh um Joe.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Joe and Eric had kids at the time that were young to have kids and you know had some focuses, you know, all focus on the family, which is great.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_00: And uh we kind of went a separate ways, at which point actually I think I got I got let go from that band, actually, because uh Eric Eric left and then Eric and Joe formed Ginger Jake, if you remember that band.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_00: So Amanda Amanda was Amanda was better looking than me, and what can I say, you know?
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_01: So well, I was just gonna say it's kind of hard to forget that band.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_00: I couldn't compete with that.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_01: So it's kind of weird that that band was going on at that point in time because where I was living, I was living in middle of nowhere, Iowa, and I was kind of like centrally located in between Des Moines and Omaha, and so Omaha's kind of flagship band was 311, Des Moines' flagship band was Slipknot.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_01: So it was like, okay, do I move to Omaha and kind of pursue diversity, or do I move to Des Moines and become a new metal guy?
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_01: So and that's kind of the way it was back in that time, because I think I think we all have a rap rock band in our uh in our footlockers someplace.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_01: So was the payback the band that came after that?
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so the payback was so if you remember, Chris was in Tooth Done Crutch, which then became Ginger Jake.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_00: So we I'd hired Chris, and then I got let go.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_00: But Noose and those guys in the payback were um at the time playing in a band called Fighting Tongues, which Joris Anger was a singer of, and Jordis went on to like the voice and came in the top top five, I think, or whatever she did, right?
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_00: So I they were kind of in in limbo about what they were doing there, and they'd been jamming, and then um I just called Pink Chris and I think I we just said, Hey, you know, I should come and let's hang out, jam out or something, you know what I mean, along those lines.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_00: And I did that.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_00: You're gonna get into that story about my first audition thing, aren't you?
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, I am.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_01: Tell tell the story of your first audition for the payback.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_01: It is the best thing ever.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_00: I hadn't I never really hung out with a bunch of the guys before, so we there's an assay gas station up the street.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_00: So um we're right by the yeah, right downtown St.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_00: Paul.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_00: So we we figured we'd go get a couple forties, you know, and uh drink them.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_00: So and this is like so I downed like two forties straight away, and I'm like, had a pretty good buzz to be honest, you know, but just crushing stuff.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_00: And uh I went to the bathroom to take a take a piss, but in fact, followed through and shit myself, uh shot it.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, whatever you so I had to uh basically take mine away and throw them in the garbage, is what really happened then and scoot back, scoot back and just uh I think had shorts on awkwardly and pretend I didn't crap myself.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um but then we ended up going out that night on to as a I think that I think maybe that's why they're like, hey, you give me the band.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, hey, just a heads up though, I didn't shit myself today.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_00: So like, oh cool, thanks for sharing.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_00: But it was the it was the uh it was the shouting, shouting scenario of an audition, yeah.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_00: So it was the pressure, I think, right?
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_00: It's my bowels were loose.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_01: Totally, totally.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_01: So that was the that was the band that I met you in, and I don't know what it was, but like when our group of friends got together, it was like it was like Molly Crew.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_01: I what what what did we call it?
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_01: Molly Crew Saturdays or something like that.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_01: Molly Crew Friday, Molly Crew Friday.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, because I was in a band called Brightside Impact at the time, and we just kind of called our whole group the Right Side Payback.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we came up and we played a show with a band that you ended up in later on down the line, and we were all on a bill.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_01: It was Ginger Jake, throw the fight, the payback, and us, and we just like made fast friends.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_01: We were like best friends overnight, and you guys came to Omaha a bunch of times.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_01: We came up to Minneapolis, and man, that was life.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_01: That was life.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_01: Now we're dads.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, were you that when we did that?
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_00: When we when we stole my uncle stole that Carl Edwards cutout.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, that was in Omaha.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_00: So for my this is my uncle coming from England, and he's hanging out, and he's stalled.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_00: And if you don't know who Carl Edwards is, he was a NASCAR, you know, NASCAR guy, and he cut out he is a cutout for so we were in a bar and he's walking down the street with a full-sized Carl Edwards.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_00: Do you remember what else happened then with with Carl Edwards?
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_01: Oh well, yes, I do.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_01: I think one of you guys put your nuts through Carl Edwards' mouth, and then Steve showed up and put his tongue in the cardboard and cut out.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_01: There was definitely a set of testicles, and then uh your but your band member's tongue in that do you remember do you remember spending hours and hundreds of dollars on two-liter bottles of Diet Coke and Mentos?
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, we blew them up, didn't we?
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_01: Oh shit, there's there's a YouTube video of us all pl partying together and like it's got over 50,000 views or something like that.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_00: Awesome.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_00: See?
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_00: Who'd have thunk it?
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_00: We should have gone into that.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh, there's so many stories.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_01: I forgot about the Carl Edwards one.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_01: How did how did the payback come to an end?
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_01: Is is that something you're okay talking about?
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so I think realistically with that, I think I think it took its own natural course.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_00: I think Moose was maybe trying to do the uh Jordas thing.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_00: I think that was going down.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_00: I think Chris had left the band at that point.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_00: He had refocused his stuff and had enough, I think.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_00: So I think it's kind of ran its course, I think, to be honest, you know.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, again, I don't um Josh uh I showed Josh a lot of a couple years ago Vaseblayer I was in and Cari still on Facebook friends with him and that.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_00: So haven't seen Moose in a while, but uh I'll sit down and play with Chris and Throw the Fight later on, you know.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_01: So And that's that's kind of where we're heading next.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_01: So you ended up as the what third singer in Throw the Fight?
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_00: I was I was a second singer.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_00: So they had like an EP, EP it was out, and then I got a record deal, and then I got I auditioned for for what was the uh I think implicit tomorrow was it called the record.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_00: I wrote the the uh all the lyrical cont melody content and everything to that.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, I kind of auditioned uh I the producers had me coming and do an audition for one of the songs and did that and then you know went ahead and recorded it.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_00: So right.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_00: So it was yeah, I mean, so that was I mean, we had three, three, four albums, three albums, two EPs, you know.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_00: So that was a good 10-year run, you know.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_01: And I I was gonna say, like, uh to me, listening to what it was in The Pursuit of Tomorrow, What Doesn't Kill Us and Transmissions, right?
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_01: Those were the three full-length albums.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, yep.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_01: And uh the the second album that you were on, uh What Doesn't Kill Us, John Feldman worked with you guys on his yeah, he produced that in in LA, yep, yep.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_00: How was that working with Feldman?
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um, he's a character for sure, right?
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_00: So we recorded his at his mansion in freaking Beverly Hills.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_00: I can't remember where we're at, but it was it was right in the hills.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_00: It was a gorgeous spot.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_00: You show up and like we go to the front door and ring the doorbell and nobody answers.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_00: But like, we've just flown like from Minnesota to come and record with you.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_00: So what do we do?
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_00: Stand here.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_00: He wasn't answering his phone, so we kind of open the door, it's like walked in, and like he's randomly vacuuming everywhere, and he's like, Hey, what's up?
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_00: We're like, Hey, throw the fight, just checking in.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, Come in, go up, go in there.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_00: Sets us down with his engineer, and he's like, Okay, we're gonna start already.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_00: We're like, start already.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_00: We just flown for like five hours.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_00: We're like, What?
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_00: It's like midnight.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_00: Oh Jesus.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, Okay, cool.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_00: Let's start demoing some stuff out.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, fuck, is this?
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_00: So um, yeah, it was kind of crazy.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_00: He's super intense, you know.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_00: He kind of focused on drums and vocals a lot, you know.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_00: And um, yeah, I had a great experience with his like he loved ping pong.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_00: I freaking played ping pong with me.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_00: He'd want to play a game all the time where you take shit off and you try and fire the ping pong at each other, and it hits him.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_00: I I I kept hitting him.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_00: He had like welts everywhere, and um he was getting super pissed off.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_00: But um, yeah, I mean he he kind of brought out some cool.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_00: I wrote a couple uh a couple different songs with him too while we were there.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_00: So it was kind of a crazy experience, but but cool.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_00: You know, again, again, he'd been working with some huge bands at the time, so we're kind of we were kind of a minor thing, I think, to him at that point.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_00: But um, you know, it was a crazy different random experience too, and it's kind of part of the story, you know.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, absolutely.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_01: And you got a fantastic cover of uh Cutting Crews.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_01: Dying Your Arms here.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, on that album.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_00: So it's he did I don't think I don't think he didn't want us to put that on the record either.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_01: So that's crazy.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_01: That's crazy.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_01: I love not so Hollywood.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_01: That was kind of your leadoff single.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_00: So I wrote I wrote that.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um I had I was sitting by his pool and I had like three notes, and I'm not a guitar player, but I had like three of them called, sorry.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_00: And um his engineer Brandon, who's gone on to to engineer a ton of good stuff, and he's a really talented writer writer in LA.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_00: I think he's in uh Nashville now.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_00: But um, he comes out and he was like, What are you what are you doing?
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, I've got this idea of a song.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, Oh, okay, cool.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_00: So we it's like nine o'clock at night or something.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_00: And uh Ryan had flown off to Vegas for his house uh for his um anniversary.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_00: So me and him kind of programmed it and wrote the whole song in that night and then presented it to the band in the morning, and it was written and recorded before Ryan even got back.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um so it was kind of one of those random, like we're in the studio writing thing, and it worked out.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, and it was just some three chords and I had an idea and that's amazing.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_00: The fun magic that happens with that kind of stuff.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_00: I I love I love the studio and you know that kind of like when you're fully engaged in Vienna to focus on stuff, I mean that's the best place to be, you know.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_01: So absolutely.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_01: And the the thing is like for 10-year run, three albums.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_01: Do you have a personal favorite of those three albums?
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_00: I think uh the band was evolving really nicely.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, the transmissions that was with Cost and Slowback, and they do all Ogun's Burns, Red, and all kinds of stuff, you know.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um I I like where that last record was going.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_00: I like the Felm record because it's got his own kind of its own spice too.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_00: And then the In Pursuit thing has got a bit of a that kind of a bit more metal throwback to that too, you know.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_00: So I guess transmissions probably would have, you know, there was an album I recorded that didn't get released, but and that that's some there's some really good stuff on that too.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_00: But um yeah, I mean I think so.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_00: I probably transmissions is probably my favorite, but right, right.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_01: So my personal favorite of those three is actually the first one.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_01: Like that became that became my workout album for probably three years straight.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_01: And I guess that's a that's a compliment to you, sir, because your your lyrical content there was something that seemed a little bit more stripped down than the other two albums on that, and that that is what I really enjoyed about that.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_01: And that's the last band I was in, Aura Singh.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_01: We uh we came to Minneapolis and we played with you guys shortly after you had released that album.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, and uh so that kind of became our go-to album for a long period of time.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_01: So again, kudos to you, great work, great lyrical content.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_00: That's one of those things you you're probably always gonna deviate to your last record that you like most, right?
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, absolutely.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, that that was I think that in when that came out, I think that was that was a really good, we had some good, really good songs on that too, you know.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_01: So I got a funny, funny story of my own uh of coming to play with you guys, coming to play with Throw the Fight.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um, right after you'd released that album, we came to Minneapolis.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_01: R Sing had only been around for not quite a year yet, but it was way, way, way, way more polished than Right Side Impact was.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it we just had our shit together.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_01: But again, the um chaotic interludes that kind of came with all of us hanging out together took place then.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_01: Your brother was in town from England, and I racked up.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_01: We had free beer in the green room at the fine line, and we're all just chugging that.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but I still managed to rack up a$200 credit card bill and buying shots with you, your brother, and me because I was like, Oh, it's Clark family reunion.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_01: Let's do some shots.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_00: So we'll we'll get it, we'll get into it.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um, obviously later with the do band, but also we're going I'm doing a European tour come up and he's coming on that tour.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_01: So that's oh my gosh, there's stuff that happened at our hotel room, like band guys were fighting, mooning each other, like walking through Taco Bell drive-throughs that I could tell you stories for hours on.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, man, it just I don't know, man.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_01: There's there's something contagious about hanging out with you, my brother.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_01: It happens, it happens.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_01: Let's fast forward to now.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_01: New band or new ish band, kill the lights.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_01: I have read about it online, not posted by the band, but posted by various media sources online.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_01: You guys are being called a supergroup.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_01: Let's talk about the thoroughbred that's running through that that band.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_00: My my fun my the funniest thing about supergroup terminology, right, is and and there is I have to laugh at Ghost.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_00: So you any any b any big uh like media outlet that's called it the supergroup, it says featuring members of Bullet for my Valentine, Still Remains, Threat Signal, and others, right?
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_00: And I am others.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_00: So uh apparently I'm not the collective super group, you know, but um we I had to laugh at that.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like X I'm called ETC, etc., right?
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_00: Is really what it comes down to.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, um, so I guess where they came from is we did a Bullet My Valentine tour um in 2013.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_00: Uh we did that with with Blackmail Brides and Bullet and um kind of my I, you know, kind of broke down with the Bullet guys, you know, connected with them.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_00: We made really good friends with them.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I've been back to England.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously they're all from Wales, so I'd been back at Christmas to England and we hung out at Christmas with them and different things.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_00: My brother came down, and um, so I always kind of kept in contact.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_00: And um, Moose, who is now my drummer, had posted something randomly on Facebook saying, Hey, does anybody know any good singers?
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_00: That was that was it.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, so I kind of like, uh, do I say anything?
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_00: You know, like, what are you do you have somebody have a friend that's looking for something?
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, actually, I'm putting together a band.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, oh.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, Do you want me to send you some tracks?
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I'm like, sure.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_00: So really it came down.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_00: He sent me um the first track I got in him and Jordan had been raining, um, which is my guitarist.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um, he sent me the faceless, which was the first single we released.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_00: But I that was what I demo with and I recorded that.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_00: It's pretty much exactly the same as it is now.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_01: That's awesome.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, so I mean, um kind of out the blue random opportunity that you know, thinking you look at life, you sometimes that comes from a message I sent in, you know what I mean?
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_00: It's crazy how that that pans out, but um, you know, kind of fast forward we end up uh doing a bunch of rank sessions, Jordan's in Michigan, some news would fly out, we do rank sessions, and then um end up connecting with um Colin, you know, producer Colin Richardson, you know, who did I mean Slipknot Trivium, all the early bullet stuff.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_00: I mean the list goes on.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_00: He did um Machine Ed's Dividian, you know, that early album.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, so third my eyes album, sorry.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_00: Uh so it just we went out to England for three weeks at a time, we did it twice and just no pressure recorded the record, you know?
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then picked up management too and everything else that goes with it, and next thing you know, we got you know, we're lucky enough to get off of the deal from Fearless.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_01: So do you think because of the way the industry has changed and the technology has changed, doing a cross-continental project like this is a lot easier now than what it would have been, say, 10-15 years ago?
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we we literally all go into different studios.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, right now we've got about 25 songs demoed for album two.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_00: Oh wow.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_00: And then we have it's like 16 more songs I haven't got vocals on yet.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I was I was gonna ask how how much of the writing is actually physically done together, or is it just components that you guys are doing?
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_00: I guess COVID stuff for us, right, which kind of put a shitter on everything.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_00: But um we we traditionally would write, so we wrote like four or five of the songs together, you know, and then some of the other stuff was in studio while we're recording the album itself and other like components of putting it together, you know.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um so for us, we've kind of been a bit used to being all in different places writing anyway, you know, and you'd be surprised how many bands are actually doing it that way.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_00: But what you miss is that kind of collective like, Hey, try it this way, or uh drop a measure here, or add a measure, or try it this way, which when you s when somebody sent you a final product, it's hard to be like, Hey dude, can you try it this way?
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like it's it's It's a lot more work to do it that way, you know.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_00: But unfortunately, when you've got a guy in like Utah, Michigan, Wales, Chris is in Blackpool, England, and then I'm here, you know, it's that's it's because it could be difficult, but luckily, um, so obviously a bass player, Chris, who also um is an engineer and he works with Colin, you know.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_00: Also, Chris is a phenomenal engineer too, and so he's you know, he's just he's been working on the new machine head stuff, he's got a ton of stuff going on too, but he's also phenomenally talented, and also Jordan can write stuff, and then Travis, who's in Threat Signals, is a phenomenal guitar player as well, and Moose programs his drums, so it's it's just like I mean it it's working, you know what I mean?
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_00: So um we are trying to get together kind of August as stuff's opening up now a little bit, you know what I mean, to try and do a couple writing sessions, um uh because with with the aspiration of kind of going back in the studio to start next year already with a pretty good right.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_01: So how close to whenever you released the that initial set of tracks and COVID happening, how how close together was that?
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_00: So I think we released the um the the I think we le the the face this was really released I think in February.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um this is a year before COVID hit, right?
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_00: And then we basically uh got off it, we negotiated a record deal for about six, seven months after that.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_00: So we've done the record, everything was done.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_00: We we had that interest, we negotiated it, it took took quite a while, um, and everything everything you know was started prep with all the press and started with the videos and everything else too.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_00: It was just ramping up to be out of it, it was gonna be released in June, what have been 20?
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_00: June 2019, I think.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_01: Gotcha.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_00: So anyway, we put it back a full, it got put back away.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_00: Because we got added to like Download Festival, which is like probably the biggest European like as a kid, I grew up in England, and that was like my dream to play it.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_00: And I I I've been on that bill three years in a row right now, and I have not played it yet.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_00: So uh fuck.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_00: Jeez.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_00: This is a this is a 2022, it's arrived for 22, right?
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_00: So I I might my my the uh the billing file looks really good on my wall, but it does I've never played it yet.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_00: So it's crazy.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so um we ended up releasing it in August this last August.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_00: It was it was no point in sitting on it, you know.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_00: We had a lot a lot of new material.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um you know, and obviously the response was was really good.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_00: We had some really good, I mean, sales were really good too, and everything was great.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_00: Unfortunately, we couldn't tour on it, so like that's you know, as it's it's this amority.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_00: Like I I've spent my whole life working to get to that, and then I then it you know COVID hits.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_01: So it's it's one of those things though, if you sit on material for too long, sometimes it it starts to date itself.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I mean, what are we gonna do?
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_01: Just sit on it for another year and wait, like right.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_01: Just release it and move on and allow yourself to evolve.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_00: So I mean we've done again, we've had a couple, we did like a we did uh we had a couple covers, we've had uh testament cover and a metallica cover release as well.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_00: It's kind of fun.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we've kind of got that I guess we have that kind of thrash influenced, you know, throwback vibe with a bit of a modern sound too, which um, you know, we're trying to keep to that too, because I think and there's nothing wrong with the modern sound of bands too, but everybody's to me sound there's a lot of the same sounding stuff, and it's nice to try and deviate a little away, a little bit away from that and kind of create your own niche, you know.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_01: So and you guys are doing a great job of that, because uh kind of doing that throwback sound to a uh a certain extent with modern production is huge.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it kind of goes to uh what I was talking about, the scope of this band, how big it actually sounds, and that's that's really more the point, you know.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_01: I would listen to some of your early stuff and I'm like, man, this is some good shit.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_01: And then I'd come go to the um kill the light stuff, and I it was like I was drowning in the sound.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_01: It was so, so, so good.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_01: So, do you find that doing these musical projects, do you find that you kind of outgrow the projects or sometimes outgrow the people that are a part of the projects to they have a natural lifespan?
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_00: I think you know, even in bands, right?
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_00: And it just does people have lives going on, and every you know, everybody has different priorities, and um, I think that could be the case with it with every you know, every scenario.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_00: I think um realistically in the past, I've you know we've tried as hard as possible to get where you want to go.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_00: And as you know, the music industry is a really difficult place to get kind of navigate through, you know.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_00: So um yeah, I mean I think every most bands do.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, you know, luckily I think with this most recent scenario, we've got a really, really good, everybody's really chill, we have a really good balance, and there's no ego there.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, to be honest, I'm playing with guys that have had a lot of success before.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so they've been there and kind of done it, which is really nice, you know what I mean?
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_00: So um, you know, and again, it's just just around having uh opportunities present themselves too that maybe I didn't have before, which is really cool.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_00: So um that that that's the main thing here, and just you know, touring opportunities and radio opportunities and correct label opportunities and correct management, and you know, the team we have put together is is awesome and it's kind of stuck with us through COVID and it's been super positive.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_01: So with this new project, how has the industry changed from when you started to where it's at right now, from your experience?
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so it's funny.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so back you remember Napster days, obviously, when all the so what's crazy about that is um Two Time Crutch, the original band, was featured on Napster, and we were getting hundreds of hundreds of thousands of streams, like I guess at that time would be a stream, right?
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_00: Or downloads or whatever else, too.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_00: And we had like a big news interview where obviously Metallica was suing them, and we were the opposite, where we're like, oh, we are embracing it because we're getting this crazy exposure, you know.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, that was a time to when when bands were getting legitimate deals and getting having legitimate money and making legitimate sales, and they could, you know, they could rely on an advance, they could live off an advance, and they were getting crazy tour support and crazy promo money.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_00: And I mean that was pretty inflated, all of that stuff, but um the money was still really there.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_00: Whereas now it's changed so much that it's you know it's really around mostly touring where your revenue is coming from, you know.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_00: And I mean streaming's good, but it's it doesn't provide a really solid, unless you're getting crazy numbers, a solid income on that, you know.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um so it's really changed, right?
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_00: It's become a lot more difficult and things are harder.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_00: And um whereas a new band, you have a lot more opportunity to be exposed because it just is a platforms now where there was not those platforms previously, you know, and you can go into a an okay studio and spend five grand at a really good sounding record now, whereas it would have cost you 30 grand before.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, so it's pros and cons.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_00: As a startup, uh you know, to get exposure and be a startup uh artist a lot easier.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_00: You know, and if you have you know have the have the right songs and you know the right thing going for you, you're fine.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_00: But again, just to be because there is a thousand and one options, it's kind of harder too, though, right?
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, absolutely.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so I mean I think I think it's uh it's it's good and bad at the same time and difficult.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, unfortunately, I think you know, whether it's you know, artists or whether it's road crew or whether it's kind of venues right now, it's been a really cramp 18 months.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_01: So do you think that downloading and piracy is what ultimately crippled the business, or do you think it was a combination of things?
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_00: Combination of things.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_00: I think the industry didn't help itself either, did it?
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_00: So I think it's really what it was.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I think if the industry had been a bit more flexible and more open to it, they could have could have in a not negative way controlled how that would have been taken care of and ensured that the artist itself would actually go paid.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I I I share that same sentiment.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_01: I uh I've had a long-standing theory, and I could I could spend hours going into this too, about how there were a lot of stunt signings, um, particularly late 90s, early 2000s, where you'd find a band of one genre that was kind of good.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_01: So you signed every band that sounded like that band in the genre.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_01: So the next thing you know, these these record labels were ascent which are essentially banks, you know, because they're loaning people money, oversigned people at the same time the internet was happening and downloading was happening, so they didn't exploit the boom in the right ways, where more money could have been done in development, more money could have they could have done the streaming thing years ago.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I they resisted it, you know, because they used the traditional form of CDs, records, whatever else too, right?
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_00: And uh I think had they took a hard look at that, they could have created platforms that would have fairly paid people, but allow people the access to it, you know.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um I'm not sure what that would look like, but uh, do you think that they missed the bolt on that one a little bit, you know what I mean?
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_01: Since uh since we we hung out last and over our time and bands and not in bands, we both have become dads.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_01: How is how has that changed you?
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_00: I guess it's like a if I if I look back to about so I if you remember, I don't remember I had cancer 11 years ago, right?
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I do.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um so like for me that was like a huge probably a life was a life-changing thing, right?
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_00: Just it makes you reflect on who and what you've done.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_00: And I said to myself, I'm like, God, I just wanted to be a dad.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_00: That's that's the only thing I really want to be in life, was a dad, you know, and get married.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_00: And and um, so I had to question or it was a challenge to be to to even know if I was gonna get to do that, you know.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_00: So lucky that, you know, I was blessed that I um that I I managed to get through that.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that really made me change my perspective on what I wanted in life and how I was gonna go about doing it and how I treated people.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_00: And um, you know, again, I was a 20-year-old kid to be doing a 20-year-old thing, right?
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_00: You just don't think about stuff, you know.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_00: But when you have to stop and really take check on stuff, it's it's it's really eye-opening.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_00: So um, so that I think that really just set me up to be put me in a place to want to have a wife and kids and all those good things too.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, I was lucky enough to meet my wife who's a teacher, and she's freaking awesome and super fun, and I just like being around her, and you know, and uh we have been blessed to have uh three children.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_00: So I got a nearly eight-year-old and nearly six year old, uh nearly five-year-old, and uh eight seventeen month old.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_00: So uh we kept trying for the girl, we got the girl on the third one.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_00: So um, but you know, um I mean like we're doing a podcast at 8 30 because you had to put them to bed.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_00: But I mean, so whilst doing the band thing is phenomenal, it's also phenomenal being a dad.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_00: And I got my both my boys are in hockey and they're both in football, and you know, they're in baseball, and I I love all that stuff from every practice, and I just love doing it, you know, and um it's super fun.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_00: We live in a really uh cool community, and we're you know, we're uh so we're in River Falls, we're in Wisconsin, but we're just 30 minutes away from from Minneapolis.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_00: So small town, but you know, it's got a small town vibe, but all the fun stuff, and yeah, it's like I said, so two very uh two very different things going on, right?
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_00: With you know, family life and then band stuff, and you know, so I'll go to a podcast and talk about rock and roll, and then I'll go and change a diaper.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that's your your wife just got her master's degree, didn't she?
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she's freaking awesome.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_00: So she went back, she was pregnant when she went back, and then uh had the baby, COVID hit, right?
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_00: She went through all this, she's dealing with three kids plus the fourth kid, which is me, um, and managed to navigate through you know homeschooling, through everything, really, to get and then you know she she's um very humble, but you know, she went through two years of college and dropped one point in two years.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_00: That's that's how good she did, you know.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_00: That's awesome.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so I mean, I mean amazing, right?
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_00: To to be able to do that.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_00: So um again, she, you know, we didn't meet through the band, it has nothing to do with that, and it's really cool that she has her own life and is really successful in what she does.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_00: And um, it was pretty pretty cool.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_00: My uh it's funny now because I obviously I meet dads, right?
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_00: So they're like, oh what do you do?
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, uh play in a metal band.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_00: And uh they're like, no, funny, cool.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_00: What do you what do you do?
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I'm like, I do play in a metal band, you know.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_00: I was wearing I was wearing a suicidal tennis hat, and um one of the dads at football practice was like, You get that from hot topic or something?
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_00: You trying to like look like a 21?
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, no, actually I like the band, I play in the band, you know, but it's just funny, nobody expects it.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I'm gonna say.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_00: So it's been pretty funny when people are like, so you uh you you like a you play in a like a cover band?
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_00: Or yeah, I'm not really not really a cover band, though.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_00: It's more of a drape metal and go watch it on YouTube.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so yeah, that's that's what I was gonna ask.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what is their reaction when they see what you're actually doing?
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_01: Because I'm sure super super win it out, yeah, yeah.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_00: They're like, I that's not what I expected.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_00: That is different, yeah.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_01: Right, right.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and the thing is, is like it's not like you're showing showing them some guy from your neighborhood on video camcordering you, you know.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's like you're showing them some high-level high production shit.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, that's definitely throws, definitely throws people off.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I'm sure it does.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure it does.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_01: I I've been out of it for so long that there's there's people in my life that have known me for you know nine, ten years that have no idea that I even ever played in bands.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, it's yeah, it's crazy, man.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_01: So European tour coming up in September?
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_01: November.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_01: November, November.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yep, yep.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_00: So that's with uh uh with Bleed from Within.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um Bank called Ingested.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um if you haven't checked out Blee from Within, that super, super solid band, really, really good.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_00: They're from Scotland.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and yeah, we're literally um starting in uh Cologne on Cologne, Germany on the 2nd.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_00: And then we go, I mean, we hit Paris, Barcelona, Prague.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I mean, it's every cool European spot for like four weeks, and it goes through and through the UK, England, and then ends and in their hometown of Glasgow on the 27th, you know.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_00: So uh my brother is coming with us, so I'm not sure if he's gonna be minding me or I'm gonna be minding him, like how it really worked, but well, man, you got them dad vibes now, so I bet you'll be watching him.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_01: Probably.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_01: Well, he's got he's got kids too.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, he's he's got kids.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_00: Oh shit.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he's married with kids and everything else, too.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_01: Oh no, that's bad because that means you both won't neither one of you gonna be watching the other one.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_00: So here's a fun thing, and that like the the awesome part of uh getting chance to do that is that I get to hang on my brother for a month, you know what I mean?
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and uh traditionally, you know, it's I mean I haven't been back in 18, 16, 18 months with COVID stuff, so it's gonna be super fun to hang out and see the family too, and have friends, you know, are all around Europe come go to shows and all that kind of stuff.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_00: Uh and then we have a headlining run in next March of 22 that that got put back, and that's a U full UK run as well.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_00: So that's exciting, and then we should be then hopefully uh hitting the well, we we'll be hitting the uh the US kind of in April-ish, April, May, and then hit the festival season in Europe.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_00: So um stuff's kind of stuff's lining up really nicely.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_00: So um we're we're excited obviously to get out and play these songs.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the aim is to go back in the studio to do the album too, I think in January.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, so is there any place on your um itinerary in November that you've never been before that you're super excited about?
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_01: Any one specific place?
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there's there's there's a f quite a few uh random European spots I haven't been to, right?
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I mean we we even announced uh a your uh festival day in Switzerland.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_00: I've never been there.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_00: I think that'd be cool, but like Prague's supposed to be sweet.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um I've been to Barcelona, but that's a sweet spot, you know, just a bunch of really cool.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's and some like off like places you Berlin's another one that added to.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, so just all like the major European cities, but then some minor ones that just would be sweet.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, just the experience is cool, you know what I mean?
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm excited.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_00: I basically get paid to go around and go to Europe for a month for free.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_00: How cool is that, you know?
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_01: That's fantastic.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_01: Man, I love it.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_01: I love it all.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I don't know if you hear this very often, but I gotta tell you, man, I'm super proud of you.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_01: I'm super proud to know you.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm super proud to know you as long as I've known you.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_01: I'm looking forward to seeing you in person again someday.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, yeah.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_01: I hope that US run comes sooner rather than later.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_00: I'll make sure to bring it Kyle with cut out as well, you know.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for doing this, man.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_01: I appreciate you.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, for sure.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_01: You can find Kill the Lights on all major streaming platforms right now.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_01: And I suggest you do that.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_01: I suggest you go check them out right now.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_01: And if you're interested in checking out some of James past work with the band for the fight, check out the albums In Pursuit of Tomorrow or What Doesn't Kill Us and Transmission or my personal favorite is In Pursuit of Tomorrow.
• 38:34
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• 39:08
  SPEAKER_01: I'm Michael Clark.
• 39:10
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• 39:13
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