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Episode 263: Dominion (SG-1 10.19) · Get Into Gate: A Stargate Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Get into Gate episode two hundred and sixty three. We're
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  Speaker 1: talking start at SG one. Gad team is here. My
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  Speaker 1: name is Mitch. Over there. We've got Maddie's up and Brendan.
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  Speaker 2: Mate.
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  Speaker 1: Man, you just took off your jumper. I thought you
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  Speaker 1: were taking the shirt off as well. I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: we're going on topless this please?
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  Speaker 3: Man?
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  Speaker 1: Well until later, he's looking. We're already in the last
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  Speaker 1: week's territory had ten seconds. Well, you actually promised that
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  Speaker 1: this week would be a little Yeah, I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what you've got prepared, but you know you
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  Speaker 1: said that whatever we had last week, all that and
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  Speaker 1: much more.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I'll give it to you.
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  Speaker 1: And it's called demin or is it dominatrix? I mean
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  Speaker 1: I don't.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, who doesn't like to be just
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  Speaker 3: dominated a little bit? You know what I mean? Like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I'm with you if the grip isn't just
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  Speaker 3: a little too tight and you're not choking off a
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  Speaker 3: little bit of circulation somewhere, like are you really doing
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  Speaker 3: it right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? What's the what's the joke? What's the difference between
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  Speaker 1: black and blue?
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  Speaker 3: The grip?
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  Speaker 1: It's like something.
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  Speaker 3: All right?
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  Speaker 1: Dominion in an elaborate plan using Valor Maldaran as bait
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  Speaker 1: to capture Adria guest Marina background SG won themselves a
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  Speaker 1: surprise when Ball intercepts Adria from under them to use
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  Speaker 1: in his own evil plan.
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  Speaker 3: Oh they didn't try to blame this one or weird
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  Speaker 3: this time?
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  Speaker 1: What about Well, you know it would be hard but
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  Speaker 1: not impossible, right.
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  Speaker 2: Now, That's right. It wasn't that hard because of the
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  Speaker 2: former leader of the the SGC.
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  Speaker 1: From two years ago.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, I'm kind of disappointed we didn't play the terminator
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  Speaker 2: bit the grab ah.
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  Speaker 3: Well, anyway, I really like this episode.
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  Speaker 2: I think this is.
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  Speaker 3: Like we were talking about back in Memento Maury, Like
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  Speaker 3: I really don't like that episode, but I feel like
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  Speaker 3: it walks, so this episode could run. Just in terms
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  Speaker 3: of I much preferred this version of Memento Maur, which
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  Speaker 3: one was that that was one where men where Vala
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  Speaker 3: lost a memory and was working in the diner and
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  Speaker 3: all that.
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  Speaker 2: Kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Ye, Like, I preferred this version of with her memory
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  Speaker 3: with the whole like, yeah, her thinking that the SGC
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  Speaker 3: had abandoned her and betrayed her, and her running away
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  Speaker 3: and then it was all you know, it was all
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  Speaker 3: this plot to to hook her up with Adrea I
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  Speaker 3: thought was really really, really really cool because yeah, I
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  Speaker 3: believed it too, like I.
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  Speaker 2: Feel like it earlier or yeah, right, yeah instill the
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  Speaker 2: second last episode.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I guess how much has that changed when
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  Speaker 1: you're an audience Like, as an audience member, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's the second last episode, so the story they're trying
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  Speaker 1: to sell you is going to hit you differently than
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  Speaker 1: if you would have watched this as the second episode
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  Speaker 1: of season ten. As far as what you led, you
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  Speaker 1: know what you can believe.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the the Vala memory elements, I think, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: could have been used to do any kind of episode,
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  Speaker 3: I guess, But yeah, obviously it then then leans into
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  Speaker 3: this whole Adria thing and then obviously Adria and Baal
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  Speaker 3: and Adria ascending at the end of the episode and
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  Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff. So it's like that makes
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  Speaker 3: sense to be the penultimate episode. But yeah, I kind
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  Speaker 3: of wish they'd done that the VLA element of it earlier.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, if Adria is that sympathetic to her mother,
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  Speaker 2: her birth mother, then I just feel like they didn't
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  Speaker 2: do enough because I feel like they could have turned
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  Speaker 2: her around like she's the euro Asia, she's kind of
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  Speaker 2: the lynchpin in this war, and you have an inn
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  Speaker 2: and they just didn't. They just never used it to
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  Speaker 2: their advantage as well as I've been saying that the
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  Speaker 2: whole season.
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  Speaker 3: But I believe, I believe, according to the comment terror
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  Speaker 3: your old mate Cooper kind of over there in that
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  Speaker 3: doesn't surprise me. I believe Claudia Black wanted to play
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  Speaker 3: it more that she cared more about Adria, the fact
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  Speaker 3: that Adria was dying and had been taken over by
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  Speaker 3: bar and all that kind of stuff. But it was
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  Speaker 3: notes from Cooper that said, no, she doesn't care and
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  Speaker 3: sort of and I think, yeah, for us, like we
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  Speaker 3: experience things through the lens of the characters, so it's
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  Speaker 3: like we want I mean, there were some really nice,
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  Speaker 3: nice points where you could tell that Varla was fighting
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  Speaker 3: back those emotions and just saying things that she didn't
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  Speaker 3: really believe, saying that it wasn't affecting her, but you
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  Speaker 3: knew that it was.
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  Speaker 2: But it's great acting where you can play through the lines.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, and that's what normal people do, right, They
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  Speaker 2: pretend they're okay even though they're not.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we all do that we say a certain thing
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  Speaker 3: to protect ourselves when what we're really feeling on the
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  Speaker 3: inside is usually the opposite. So that the way that
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  Speaker 3: Claudia Black could play that I found really dynamic and interesting.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, the suffer part is because we didn't get
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  Speaker 3: to explore more scenes of of those feelings where left
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  Speaker 3: quite cold against Andrea. I feel like, and yeah, like
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  Speaker 3: you were saying that there could have been more where
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  Speaker 3: you know, we know that Vala loves Andrea, but it's
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  Speaker 3: because of I guess, I mean, it does I guess
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  Speaker 3: tie into last week's episode. It's like, well, well, when
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  Speaker 3: you see the upbringing that Vala had when it comes
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  Speaker 3: to the family.
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  Speaker 2: She doesn't have a very good parental.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, she doesn't know how to express herself in that way.
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  Speaker 3: So that does track, but I think it's to the
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  Speaker 3: detriment of the storytelling.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like this could have been the final kind
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  Speaker 2: of four episode arc instead of just kind of Star
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  Speaker 2: Wars episode three finish it. Yeah, yeah, well this is
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  Speaker 2: obviously when we spoke about it briefly back in Threads
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  Speaker 2: when the sun Gral was sent through the Stargate, they
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  Speaker 2: confirm in a very throwaway line here it worked the
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  Speaker 2: are I are all dead? I'm sharing Aria's mind, it
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  Speaker 2: would lose all access to the knowledge I possess.
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  Speaker 1: For example, for one thing, I can confirm the OO.
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  Speaker 3: Dead, And I think the problem there is we're getting
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  Speaker 3: that information secondhand through bar who we can't trust. So
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  Speaker 3: I still remember watching this episode for the first time,
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  Speaker 3: and I think at this point Ark of Truth hadn't
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  Speaker 3: even been announced yet.
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  Speaker 2: You're like, oh, well, is that true or not?
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  Speaker 3: So we still don't technically have a resolution to the
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  Speaker 3: Ari storyline. We're told in a back in well, we
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  Speaker 3: see it happen back in thread of not threads in
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  Speaker 3: the Shroud.
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  Speaker 2: You don't really see it happen.
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  Speaker 3: No, we just see the Sungral sent through the supergate
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  Speaker 3: with Area.
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  Speaker 2: We see the wide shot of the O ship going
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  Speaker 2: through the super gate. Yeah, that's it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then and then Andrew is backh So from
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  Speaker 3: that point of view, you would think, oh, Okay, it
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  Speaker 3: didn't work. I mean, she's not technically in an ore I.
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  Speaker 3: She's a human form with some of their powers.
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  Speaker 2: So I guess.
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  Speaker 3: It gets kind of like a nervous Yeah, retroactively, it's
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  Speaker 3: kind of you know, I guess it makes sense that
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  Speaker 3: more powerful the sun Girl worked on all the ascended beings,
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  Speaker 3: but she's not ascended, so it didn't work on her. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that makes sense. That's why her as a human survived
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  Speaker 3: and is now back. But so much stuff happened off
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  Speaker 3: screen that we don't know, we're not confirmed about. And
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  Speaker 3: Bale is an un what do they call what's that
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  Speaker 3: other unreliable narrator or whatever. Yeah, so we don't know
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  Speaker 3: if he's actually telling the truth or not. So it
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  Speaker 3: is kind of annoying that the technically the ore storyline
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  Speaker 3: is over and we've.
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  Speaker 2: Been told in this little way. Yeah, it's all off screen.
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  Speaker 2: We've had We've had two years building up to this.
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  Speaker 2: Are I and Hello to the build is build and
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  Speaker 2: build and build. We forget to use it loosely, forget
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  Speaker 2: that they're actually the bad guy for a bit, and
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  Speaker 2: the next minute it's like we caught him off screen. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: did we remember? Yeah, we confirmed that backing.
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  Speaker 3: Episode got back in episode fourteen, and then we had
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  Speaker 3: that great run of Bounty bad Guys, Italian and family Ties,
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  Speaker 3: and then this episode confirming that it happened back then,
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  Speaker 3: which is a little disappointing, but I think in a
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  Speaker 3: lot of ways, once we get to ark of truth.
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  Speaker 3: I think it redeems it. But so it shouldn't have
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  Speaker 3: to like it shouldn't it shouldn't have to kind of.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it fills in the blanks. Yeah, it's the clone
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  Speaker 2: Wars of of stargeting.
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  Speaker 3: It goes back, It fills in all those blanks that
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  Speaker 3: you needed to realize the weight. And I still, as
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  Speaker 3: much as I love the Shroud and I love Dominion,
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  Speaker 3: it doesn't give us the weight and the dramatic reveals
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  Speaker 3: and repercussions of the are I are all gone.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't mind the end of the Shroud, assuming
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  Speaker 2: they did something with it, Yeah, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: And they did nothing with it. They just had all
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  Speaker 2: these crappy filler episodes in the museum Violet's dad who
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  Speaker 2: gives a shit about this stuff, and oh yeah, no
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  Speaker 2: they're dead. Yeah, I wonder what it would be. But
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  Speaker 2: do it in the Shroud. Then if you don't have
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  Speaker 2: anything planned, then just see the guy in the flames
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  Speaker 2: and they get yeah destroyed?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Or is is there a way where the Shroud? And
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  Speaker 3: this as a part one, part two would have made
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  Speaker 3: it feel a little more weighty and.
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  Speaker 2: A great kind of five episode arc where they just yeah,
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  Speaker 2: eat it. But I guess they didn't know. Yeah, it
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  Speaker 2: was all the I mean, well you had to have
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  Speaker 2: an idea though, but yeah, it was when like this
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  Speaker 2: isn't I think logistical.
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  Speaker 3: Lies was what we knew back when episode two hundred aired.
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  Speaker 3: That's when the production found out the show had been canceled.
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  Speaker 3: So I wonder how far along they were into but
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  Speaker 3: into production that's when it aired, versus into production, like
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  Speaker 3: how far ahead they are they would have been the
• 9:52
  Speaker 3: hiatus they would have been. It would have also been
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  Speaker 3: complicated by the fact that you know, Michael Shanks had
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  Speaker 3: his four episodes off and all that kind of thing.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, but once my because Shanksy comes back in
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  Speaker 2: the shroud, right. Yeah, from that point, even if you
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  Speaker 2: even if you don't kill off the ORI but just
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  Speaker 2: have a better arc, it just it wassappeared. I'm going
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  Speaker 2: I was hoping this time around that season nine and
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  Speaker 2: ten would have a different I would have a different
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  Speaker 2: grab on it, like a different point of view. But
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  Speaker 2: it actually I've been a little bit more disappointed than
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  Speaker 2: I was originally.
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  Speaker 3: But I guess it would make sense that, you know,
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  Speaker 3: if they were planning on the show to go on.
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  Speaker 3: They wouldn't have killed the Ari at the end of
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  Speaker 3: this season anyway. Yeah, so why did they do it
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  Speaker 3: in the shroud like that? Well, I think I'm wondering
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  Speaker 3: if maybe that's why they left it ambiguous, is because
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  Speaker 3: you know, we have been working towards the sun Gral
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  Speaker 3: since what the end of season nine? Yeah, so yeah, maybe,
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  Speaker 3: you know, maybe if they'd been picked up for a
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  Speaker 3: season eleven, they would have gone, oh, the Sungrol didn't work,
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  Speaker 3: and that's when.
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  Speaker 1: You find that out in the finale or something.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you find that out in what would have
• 10:57
  Speaker 3: been taken place instead of unending even just.
• 11:00
  Speaker 1: To build, like you know, you think about the Gould
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  Speaker 1: what I was gonna say, aside from the movie, because
• 11:06
  Speaker 1: really they take the grains that the movie gave us
• 11:10
  Speaker 1: and either wreckon some stuff or just build on it,
• 11:12
  Speaker 1: you know, to the nth degree. You know. But if
• 11:15
  Speaker 1: you just if we were to write down what we
• 11:17
  Speaker 1: find out about the Gold in season one compared to
• 11:19
  Speaker 1: what we know about them after four seasons, eight seasons,
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  Speaker 1: it would be next to nothing. And I guess they
• 11:25
  Speaker 1: were just building as they went along, and maybe when
• 11:27
  Speaker 1: they come into this show. Okay, Yeah, they've survived, you know,
• 11:30
  Speaker 1: possible cancelations once or twice by the time the or
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  Speaker 1: I come in. But do they sit there is there
• 11:35
  Speaker 1: a confidence in this show where they go, we're going
• 11:39
  Speaker 1: to be able to we don't want to. There's for
• 11:41
  Speaker 1: an audience. They probably know that they can't come in
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  Speaker 1: and go, Hey, I forget about the Gould, don't wry
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  Speaker 1: about them, or are huge, They're the biggest bad, They're
• 11:48
  Speaker 1: the best bad. Don't worry. Just learn to love the
• 11:50
  Speaker 1: r right now and everyone's gonna how it felt. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's feel like that, but I reckon they probably still
• 11:57
  Speaker 1: took the foot off a little bit from what they
• 11:59
  Speaker 1: could have done, because because between season eight and season nine,
• 12:02
  Speaker 1: we're already having to get rid of red of We're
• 12:04
  Speaker 1: already having to get used to the idea that Richard
• 12:07
  Speaker 1: Dean Anderson is not going to be a regular on
• 12:10
  Speaker 1: the show. Here's this new guy that okay for a character,
• 12:13
  Speaker 1: and a new general, new general, like all these new
• 12:15
  Speaker 1: people coming into replacement Sam was missing for those first
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  Speaker 1: six episodes.
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  Speaker 3: That filling it.
• 12:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all these new changes that you're going to have
• 12:23
  Speaker 1: to get used to anyway, and then we're also going
• 12:25
  Speaker 1: to going to change the big bad of the show.
• 12:28
  Speaker 1: We've had variations of the Big Bat along the way,
• 12:30
  Speaker 1: but the Gould or a Gould variations of the Goold
• 12:32
  Speaker 1: have always been the big bad of Stargate SG one.
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  Speaker 1: And now we're going to go, Hey, these new guys
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  Speaker 1: from a nut. We've always been tinkering with the idea
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: of ancients, a different galaxy we've got to spin off
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: in another galaxy. Well, now we're going to have another
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: galaxy where these other guys are going to come from,
• 12:46
  Speaker 1: and they're going to be our new bad and we're
• 12:47
  Speaker 1: going to open up another five ten years of this show.
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: And the audience hasn't worn to it, but they're planning
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: was let's not go crazy and force feed everything we
• 12:56
  Speaker 1: need to know in the first half of season nine
• 12:59
  Speaker 1: or just season nine. So when they get canceled, it's like, oh,
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: we haven't really built anything so far, and now we've
• 13:05
  Speaker 1: got to wrap it up. And so the build feels
• 13:08
  Speaker 1: anti climac ticket feels it feels it feels empty, and
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  Speaker 1: the climax feels like nothing because you're not paying off anything.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't build anything.
• 13:15
  Speaker 3: I think it comes into I obviously I shat a
• 13:17
  Speaker 3: bit on Joe and Paul last week with some of
• 13:19
  Speaker 3: the comments they had in the commentary, and you could
• 13:21
  Speaker 3: tell it they were frustrated and newly not happy with
• 13:25
  Speaker 3: the way the show was going. And I think playing
• 13:27
  Speaker 3: Devil's advocate there, it could be a lot to do
• 13:29
  Speaker 3: with the studio, Like if you think about it, like
• 13:32
  Speaker 3: the creators were ready to finish the show in season eight.
• 13:35
  Speaker 3: Season nine was supposed to not be Stargut SG one.
• 13:38
  Speaker 3: It was going to be Stargate Command and it was
• 13:39
  Speaker 3: going to be completely different show. But then the studio
• 13:42
  Speaker 3: pushed back and said, no, no, you've got to keep itrand.
• 13:44
  Speaker 3: We need that branding SG one. So the writers in
• 13:46
  Speaker 3: the creator are like, okay, fine, we'll tell this new story,
• 13:49
  Speaker 3: but we as an audience are expecting to tune in
• 13:51
  Speaker 3: to watch SG one every day, but technically we're watching
• 13:56
  Speaker 3: Stargate Command. So they're telling this story under their SG
• 13:59
  Speaker 3: one banner. But then at the end of two seasons,
• 14:02
  Speaker 3: the studio who forced them into telling the show under
• 14:04
  Speaker 3: their SG one banner said, these numbers aren't doing great,
• 14:07
  Speaker 3: We're going to cancel your show. And I feel like
• 14:09
  Speaker 3: there's probably an element of the creative film going well yeah,
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  Speaker 3: we told you that. That's why we wanted to create
• 14:15
  Speaker 3: this show under the Stargate Command banner, because they did
• 14:18
  Speaker 3: the same thing to Scrubs. Scrubs had a one of
• 14:22
  Speaker 3: the most perfect season finales in season eight of a
• 14:25
  Speaker 3: show ever. I still cried to this day watching that.
• 14:28
  Speaker 3: And then Bill Lawrence, creator of ted Lasso and all
• 14:32
  Speaker 3: that kind of stuff, and Cougartown, he was going to
• 14:35
  Speaker 3: do a spin off show called Scrubs Interns where it
• 14:38
  Speaker 3: was a whole new cast of people and the main
• 14:42
  Speaker 3: characters were going to be the teachers now, and the
• 14:45
  Speaker 3: ABC or whoever it was, went, no, You're still going
• 14:47
  Speaker 3: to call it Scrubs, and he's like, but I ended
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: the show Scrubs.
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: See did you see.
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  Speaker 3: That finale where we did like cuts to the future
• 14:54
  Speaker 3: and you saw all these people getting married and having kids.
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  Speaker 3: We ended that show, but they no, No, You're going
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  Speaker 3: to do Season nine is one of the worst episodes
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: of one of the worst seasons of television ever. The
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: fanom all hater, the creators all hate it. So I
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: feel like there's also there's an element of that. It's
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: just when the business studio interferes too much in the
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: creative process and then goes, oh, well that didn't work,
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: so we're going to cancel your show. And the creators go, well,
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: we've told you that's why. That's why we're the creatives
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: and you're the executives.
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and just listening to you don't want to be
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: driven by the audience completely because which part of the audience?
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: He listens. Absolutely, Yeah, but you tell you tell the
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: story you want to tell, and the audience finds you.
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: There's such a Yeah, you think about.
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: The best, the best story that you can tell that
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: the audience would be excited about.
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: That's it.
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: It's not doesn't mean that you just you just what
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: do they call it when they just fan fan? Oh
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: like fan service? Just playing Yeah, I mean yeah, absolutely.
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: He says. No.
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: In the SG one is like the best season because
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: it's great storytelling, is a lot of action. It is
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: kind of placating to the fans in a way because
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: you kind of it's a culmination of everything.
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, bringing Daniel back, all that kind of thing.
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: You got, Yeah, the Nubis War, war and Antarctica, and
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: that's what I feel like seasoned once there, I got
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: a foothold in the Milky Way for me, it's just nothing,
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: nothing changed for us. It was just like, oh, let's
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: do a different episode. I feel like Season ten should
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: have been Heroes on Steroids, where it's just like a
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: five or six episode arc where everybody comes in and
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: they're just going hard at the ore, like a land war.
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, different planets, and it's it's like all of America,
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: all of the world's military out there on every world,
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: just having hectic wars. You got prizes like wizards as
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: people flying around everywhere. I know they don't have the
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: budget for it, but well, I feel like I've deserved
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: something of.
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: That opening scene. We'll get to it obviously in an
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: Arc of Truth, but I think, yeah, the opening scene
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: of Arc of Truth, that sort of land battle, It's like.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was that should have been season ten.
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: That with thirty more people liking Heroes, Yeah, would have
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: been fantastic.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: But yeah, like I said, you know, anyway, you think
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: the Gold were bad, these guys are crazy, Yeah, And
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: it should have been like an upward climax for the
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: rest of the two seasons because they knew they couldn't
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: go forever. They were unning two shows. In hindsight, now,
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: based on what they did in season nine and ten.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: I feel like SG one should have ended at season eight.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: Then they put all their focus into Atlantis.
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was bright, which is what I think Brad
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: wanted to do in the first place. And then I
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: think after season eight they wanted to start doing the
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: TV movies.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: Then Yeah, but you know they were kind.
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: Of forced into, you know, the studio going no, no,
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: we're going to give you another I think they gave
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: them two seasons because didn't we say, like at the
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: end of season nine was the first time in like
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: five years where they knew they were coming back going
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: into it, So that's why they didn't end the show
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: in season nine.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: Did you guys ever watch that show flash forward? There
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: was so the premise st I think I never watched
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: the first step maybe two episodes, but the premise of
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: it was that, oh jeez, someone's gonna yell and correct me.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: Thirty seconds, eight minutes, I don't know. For a period
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: of short period of time, everybody in the world basically
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: fell unconscious.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we talked about this member, I confuse that with
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: that other show.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: Which other show you're confusing? And then they wake up.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: But during that blackout, they have a premonition of their life.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: I think it's six months in the future, and so
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: you know some people like you know, not married to
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: their partner or something, or they're grieving a death, or
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: some people didn't see anything, and that means in the
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: next six months they're going to die. And I think
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: at the end of the first episode, like there's they're
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: just looking at security footage of the blackout and they
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: come to like a stadium, baseball stadium or something. It
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: is chock full of people and you just see everyone
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: just collapse and then there's like zoom it. They think
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: they can see something and they zoom in and then
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: they see one person basically stand up and walk out
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: and walk down it like a tunnel. Someone someone was
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: aware of it. Someone is possibly behind this, but like
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: it was global, you know, lanes falling out of the
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: sky car accidents, all kinds of bad shit going on.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: But from what I heard about that the production and
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: the pitch, the right of the creator, he had a
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: five season arc ready to go. Bang. He comes to
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: ABC or whoever and says, here is five seasons of
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: the show. And then as flash forward and the way
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: that the it obviously played out with the audience, like
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: great concepts, but maybe the slow pacing of it or something,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: it didn't grab the attention that they were hoping. And
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: it was probably that post lost effect of like, we're
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: going to mystery box, We're not going to give you
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: answers straight away, blah blah blah, and people didn't resonate
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: with it enough, didn't jump on board quick enough, and
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: they it got canceled after one season. And so it's like, well,
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: that's where you don't have a five season plan. You
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: haven't you have a story idea, have maybe a first season,
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: have an idea of where you go to in a second.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: So when they come to you and they go, we'd
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: like to renew you, what have you got for us
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: or something? But maybe when they come to and they go,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: we need to quicken this up, and he's like, bro,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: I've got I've got scripts here. I don't know how
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: to bring something from the start of seven season plan.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: Wouldn't you just go greenlit your five seasons just make
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: it unless it's absolutely horse But.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: That's like they couldn't they obviously maybe they thought they
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: were going to thinking we're gonna in that post Lost
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: world where that just went absolutely gangbusters and then they
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: didn't get that, and they couldn't go we we can't
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: risk this sucking for four and a half seasons after
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: a great first time in the season, Mitchell, what.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: You've just been talking it up? Series creator Brannon Braga,
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: who's that executive producer of a little show called Star
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: Trek Voyager God and the guy who wrote Star Trek Generations. Yeah,
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: do you want.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Again?
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: I confused that show with the one that sorry that
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: Martin Guiro wrote, Oh.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: That actually, no, I haven't seen that as a tinker
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Bell movie. That that did the same thing in the stadium.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: I IMDb flash forward and it got first thing show
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: was a show from with Ben Foster and Duell State
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: that ran from ninety five to ninety seven.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: And oh that could be what it called?
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: No it is, Yeah it is, And then I clicked
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: on it says two best friends narrate the ups and
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: downs of middle school or comparing it to moments from
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: when they were little.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Not this one.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: That's not the show, Mitchell's Yeah.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: No, definitely not. And that show actually it's at least
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: in Australia. You can't watch it anywhere. It's not on
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: any streaming service or anything. And I still think because
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: I watched the first.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: Time, that we'd like Channel seven plus nothing.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Wow, there's that great app that I love that you
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: don't think is trustworthy and it says it's not streaming
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: in your country, you can't get maybe about to buy
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: it on Apple or something like that.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: But I believe blind Spot is the show that I
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: confused flash forward with because blind Spot is the show
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: that Martin Giro created. Did he really?
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: I mean that lasted a while? Wait blind Spot that
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: was with Jamie Alexander from Thoor.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, so they ran for five years twenty
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: fifteen to two. This is this is the second last
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: episode of s G one. You think you'd have like
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Brad Robert C. Cooper all together make and Adam Levine,
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: I mean Alex Alex Lavine, Levine's brother. So he got
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: a bit of trivia here. The Levanader they call him.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: His brother is Tobias Lezak, who is in Heroes Part one.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: He plays doctor James, the guy who after the doctor
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Janet Janet. He's also a different character in Stargate Atlantis Inquisition,
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: and then he's also in sgu In Intervention. So Alex
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Slavine ll Levine I don't know how he say brothers
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: with him, just an interesting bit of trivia. But this
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: is the first story credit to Alex. Yes, and then
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: dominion Yeah so what why?
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: Well, okay, so I have a little bit of context
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: on that. I think he only got the story credit
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: on this because he came up with the original idea
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: where Ball was going to put a gold into a
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: prior as his way.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: That is a cool idea.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean to me, it's a little bit like, well,
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: we kind of already did that when we turned Garak
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: or Gerrik into a prior. We turned like a first
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: prime into you know, but to have a go old
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: in like implant into an existing prior, I think is
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: a really cool idea. Better.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: That's why Alex got the story credit because he'd been pitching.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: He's like a script supervisor on the show or something,
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: and he'd been he'd been pitching this for a while
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: and then I think, yeah, they ran with that, but
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: then combined it with the Adrea stuff.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it was.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: Alan McCulloch wrote the majority of the episode. But yeah,
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: Alex got the the story credit for this. But Alex
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: does also go and he gets a writing credit for Queen,
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: which is another Star Trek knock off episode in Atlantis,
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: and then he does get a credit for Inquisition, But
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: Inquisition is possibly the worst show, worst starget episode in existence,
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: because it's also the worst flashback episode, like clip show
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: episode Inquisition, that's the and his brothers in yeah, which yeah,
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: I don't know whether that's previous clips or whether he's Yeah,
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: I think maybe everyone got a credit for Inquisition because
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: it would have.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Been previous clip show. Sorry for the clip, sure, but
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: there is Yeah, like because there's so many things in
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: this episode, like so many callbacks, especially technologically. I just
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: wrote down a few here, and there was the technology
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: from Collateral Damage where the memory stuff, the memory stuff
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: Cameron Mitchell's Murder Mystery episode Sam slips in.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: It's a slightly modified version.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then they've got the toe like the toe
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: craft stuff. So you had to know about Aegeria tretonin.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we mentioned I mentioned it last week till knew
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: where that guy's tratonain was. Immediately, Well, they all stowed
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: in that same in that same little pocket. What I
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: thought was interesting in my pouch. Yeah, I mean you've
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: got to look there. That's Nature's pocket, especially if he's hiding,
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: if he's in Bale service be hiding that. Yeah, and
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: that's that's the issue that I had. How did a Gaul, sorry,
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: a Jafar that didn't join the Free Jafar get access
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: to tratonin because you have to keep getting that supply?
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: Why would why would the Jafar? Well, no, because we
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: like zapped him at the end. He's added him because
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: he was he was going to start shooting at us.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: And I don't say that he's a spy or anything
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: like that. He's fully working for ball. How are we
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: giving him tratona unless like are we are we as
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: humans from Earth still producing trattonin or have we given
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: that technology to jar? And the Jafar are letting producing
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: their own tratonin now and they've somehow given it to
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: this guy who still worships a false god, but somehow
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: is getting tratonin. That's the part I didn't understand about that.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, maybe he just needs a job. The other
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: the other technology was as God beaming technology. Bill has that. Yeah,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: the bile clone, then you've got Summit and last stand
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: with the symbio simbio poisons. There's so many things. It
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: was almost everything about sgu want apart from replicators, but
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: I'm sure Coople will finish fix that up. For us,
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: it was just so much for me. It's kind of
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: like a weird mixed bag.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, and there's also I saw someone do some
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: math on some trivia. So back in Insiders where we
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: met Cloth Somon as well as Cliff Simon's bar, there
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: were sixteen bar clones there, and I believe at the
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: time we were supposed to believe that was all of them.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: I've never believed that that was all of them. But
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: someone pointed out that if there were sixteen bar clones
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: back in Insiders, in the tent, we see thirteen dead
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: bar clones, so there would still be at least three
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: bars if you work under the presumption that there were
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: only sixteen total. So the guy that three left, there'd
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: be the bar we saw as Cliff Simon, there'd be
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: the symbiote that was put into Aria, and then there'd
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: be one more which theorety could need, you know, the
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: the quote unquote real ball, although there's a part of
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: me that kind of wishes that the symbiote that went
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: into Aria was the real ball.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, there's Yeah, that's what I'm That's what I
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: was kind of thinking. Are they trying to tell us
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: the guy the Cliff Simone who doesn't have the flanged voice?
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Is that because he's cloned the host and the gold
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: so there're one being, so they don't have the flange,
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: But well, Area does have the flange. Well, no, he
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: did have the flange.
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: At the end of this, remember when when he yeah,
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: when he glows his eyes and and that's when you
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: realize that. That was like, because you're like the whole episode,
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: you're going, why is Ball capturing capturing Adria? There's no
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: way he can go up against her, And he was like, well,
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: there's a certain way that I can do it. And
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: his eyes glow and in the flat and the voice flanges,
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: and that's the first time Baal has been met this
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: thing since like abyss Yeah, and you're like, oh, he's
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: gonna put a symbiote in her.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Oh that was just I love the confidence him walking
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: in like she's in that cage or whatever, and just
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: the way that like she is, just the way that
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: he just walks in. And I'm like, obviously reason why
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: he thinks that he can, but like just the way,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: it's so confident, like he's dealing with someone with the
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: power and you know, maybe maybe not the backing behind
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: her and then yeah, to cut out, like and the's
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: sort of like the fear that she had in her
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: eyes too when he pulls out the symbiot and then
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: she just sitting there, She's confidently talking to her and
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: she's like, oh shit, like I've never.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: Been in this situation before. I'm only two years old.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've only dealt with Daniel symbio, but.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: I was. It's always given me pause where because we
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: had that conversation a while ago where it's like, yeah,
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: did Ball clone the symbiote and the human or did
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: he just clone like some kind of hybrid between the like, and.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: When you clone the symbiote and then give put into
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: different hosts, that's what rather.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: That'd be the best way because then you're hiding in
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: plain sight. But I guess you know, the Gold are
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: so like egotistical enough, and he's like, well, no, I've
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: got this awesome right, I'm gonna I'm gonna do that.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: But remember Anna, Remember Anna, like the crazy girl in
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: the glass cage. She was cloned from Seth and had
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: all his memories and stuff like that, but didn't have
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: a symbiote in her. So yeah, I think that's why
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: we sort of had that question of what what Bal
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: did in terms of the cloning process. But I kind
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: of love the idea that's I guess in my head
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: where I go, well, this is the first time we've
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: seen like a raw symbiote floating around in juices, And
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: I'm like, that's why my my kind of mental chronology
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: is like, oh, that's the original Bal. He's actually been
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: just swimming around and do the whole time and letting,
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: letting all these other clones go. But then obviously once
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: we get to continuum, that's when you kind of have
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: to go, well, yeah, we don't know.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: That's actually a note that I wrote. This is the
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: second last episode of SG one. If you go back
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: ten years earlier, you got the second episode. They're kind
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: of bookmarking each other. We're trying to surgically remove a
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: gould from somebody. Oh yeah, and ten years we've done nothing.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: There's like, they cut her neck open, they remove it.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: They did the same thing to Kowalski. It doesn't work yet.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: I don't want to spoil anything for anyone who hasn't
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: seen it. Continuum completely wreckconzact. Yeah, it's been like what
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: two months, But.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: Also a couple of years ago, the Tokra had no
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: problem removing Katesh from Vala. Yeah, and they could remove Kendra.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: Kendra had her her girl pulled out her name from
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: the movie, Oh Scarra Scara had removed.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: So there's been a lot of instances where yeah, because yeah,
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: I mean O'Neill had that one taken out of him.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: I mean that was a Tokra, I guess, but yeah,
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: you know, Carter's just kind of dissolved itself inside her.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: She's got that protein marker still. Yeah, so I did
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: find it a little bit convenient. I honestly think there was.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: It was weird though, there was that moment I didn't
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: quite like the actor who played the Tokrah because when
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: he met Varla, he kind of was a bit disrespectful
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: to her. Was like, oh, I knew you was Katsh,
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: and I'm like the Tokra of all people should know
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: the difference between the host and the symbio.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: This is this is my favorite line in all of
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: us t one.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: I think see that's up there. My favorite of all
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: time is still going to be Hello, Carlos. What something
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: we didn't ever find out though, which I thought was
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: again like last week in Atlantis where we never found
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: out about that second guy, the Dickinson guy whatever. In
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: this episode, like we have our whole thing with Varala
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: and Area, we go through this, they go through the stargate.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: We're all waiting for them, being like, my baby, it's cool.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: This was all part of the plan. And then Baal
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: beams like all his guards, all his Jafar beam in
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: to take Adria away, and they have there's a line
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: about you know, oh, bar must have had intel on
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: our plan. We never find out how Baal got that
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: intel about the whole plant for us to capture Andrea,
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, that's a little lazy, I think, you know,
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: Because then Barrett shows up out of nowhere for like
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: to say three words, but he gives us other intel
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: on the bal summit that's going on where we find
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: all the symbio points like that. But I'm like, well, no,
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: I want Barrett to tell us where at least give
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: me a you know, a placating line about yeah, like
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: some kind of a leak or you know something or
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: other Charlotte mayweather her way to the top or whatever,
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: and and and got the information about this top top
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: secret plan where we're using sodain cloaks and collateral damage
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: mind wipe technology to to you know, implant Vala into
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: Adria's you know, in a circle.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: That's why I found it stupid. I feel like s
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: g one should have just rescued Marina backround from ball.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: But that should have just been the instead of going
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: through this whole ruse of trying to brainwash Vala, go
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: go kidnap Adria. Then Adria gets kidnapped by bar this
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: is the most powerful person in the universe. But by
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: the way, and then we kidnap her back, and then
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: she gets in after the implantation, like what the hell?
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: And also from a viewer point of view, this is
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: our first time seeing Aria since the Sunroll and her
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: and the Sunroll was sent through back to alright galaxy
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: conscious but okay, but as as humans on Earth, how
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: do we know adri is back in our galaxy? You
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: know what I mean?
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: We find that out later on in this story. Yeah,
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: that's true, So they just did that hoping.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, or maybe because they told it nominear story. I
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: kind of got confused and stuff. But it's like, as
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: a viewer, I would like, like we as a viewer
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: found out that that Adria was back by the moment
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: in the bar. Yeah. But it's like then later on
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: they try and say, well, I think they say, like
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: the SGC knew okay, but again, and we've spoken about
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: this since like season three or season four.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: The most successful episodes of SG.
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: One are when we are the fifth member of SG
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: one and we're finding things out as SG one are
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: yea and one off world where with the lost World.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, lost World where they find the new new ancient
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: data bank can download head again. You're like, this is awesome,
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: We're actually doing it instead of talking about what already happened. Yeah,
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: it's so I.
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: Mean having said that, like, I I completely agree with
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: everything you've said, but I just I don't know. I
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: love that this viola storyline of her sort of feeling betrayed,
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: like finally finally finding home and then feeling betrayed by
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: the SGC and then going back to what she does best.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: It just like being on the run all that kind
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: of stuff. I just look fact, you know, she stole
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: the Sodain cloak and she's you know, she's hustling that
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: tile game. I'm sold. I want I want that game.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: I want to know how it works. I want to
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: buy a set poker. Yeah, I was sold by that.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: The dramatic reveals of the tiles who.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Forever can't beat a full a.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: Different pattern to here is like the way they were like,
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm totally sold on this. Yeah, I love
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: all that, all that storyline and the fact that you know,
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: Adria came to rescue her because Adrea still loves her mom, Like,
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: it's I love all that. But yeah, it was a
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: it was any way.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he just tried to ram the ball stuff into
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: that storyline, which is weird.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: At a moment where they rescue her and they just
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: sort of bust in blow away all the ja'far, which
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: they do, you know, every couple of episodes.
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: But then it's like.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: There's Barb and he just like goes in he's got
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: a hundred holes in him, and they're like, okay, let's go.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: It's like, at that moment, do you think that that's
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: the like that from a viewing standpoint, you're looking at
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: that going it doesn't feel definitive, you know, like in
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: the moment it should. If you're going to blow someone away,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: then that should be. But as a storytelling things, as
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: an audience member, you want to look at that and go, oh,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: that doesn't feel real because they didn't focus on it
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: enough or something.
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: Apparently something in the audio commentary said one of the
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: alternate takes of Cliff Simon, yeah, getting shot and dying
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: with he goes, oh not again, Yeah, and I'm like,
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: that's kind of that's funny, but it's as a as
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: actors working on a show that's funny. But obviously in
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: real world that doesn't work because that Bar's never experienced death.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: But it's it's it's yeah, it's a little bit like
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: man like it. They should have stopped with Mineerus when
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: it's like he was about to get executed and he's like,
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: but I'm so interesting. Like that was good. That was great.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: But yeah, as much as we all love Cliff Simon, yeah, I.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: Just warded it down, Like I said that, Like, that's
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: why Apophus is my favorite. Go, well, it could have
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: been Bar, but they warded his character down too much.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: They killed him off so many times you're like after
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh who caays, Okay, that's a clone obviously,
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: But back to your sixteen Ball theory. Yeah, didn't they
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: kill off a couple of guys in that explosion last season?
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: Oh maybe?
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: I just yeah, I just read the trivia and went, oh,
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: that's interesting, like Bar's dead.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: No it's not the real Bar.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I think it would make sense that there
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: would be to Way thirty fifty whatever out.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: There, and then the clones cloned the clones. Yeah, like
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: like those I mean I.
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: Actually that there would be something I wouldn't and then
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: bringing back if I mean, obviously they can't do it
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: with with Cliff anymore unfortunately, but I would have loved to.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Bring that cloth some on.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well it looks like but it doesn't.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: Ininvincible, there's those two blue guys and it's like they
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: they've cloned themselves so much they don't know who the
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: clone is anymore. They both always fight over no you're
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: the clone, No you're the clone, but they're both clones
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: of the original who's long dead. I almost kind of
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: would love the idea that, yeah, the original Ball is
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: gone and they've just keeped on cloning themselves, and one
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: of them is always delusional to be like, well, no,
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: I cloned you, so the original I'm the real.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: And had a South African accent when with the now
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: I want that. That would have been so good. That
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: would have been so good. Daniel walks in, Hello, there,
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: I remember our time together. It'd be creeped out. He's like,
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: don't say anything. The mom's just there. Yeah, no, dude,
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: I know you're odd.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: Now I haven't. Now I've been in started your mother
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: in two different bodies.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Like the bassom of the game where she shows up
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: at the start. I liked her and I know she's all,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: you know, worn some funky outfits and stuff along the
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: way are But even though she is humanoid, how alien
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: she looked in the sense that she walks in and
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: she's got the very low cut obviously because they love
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: showing that off. But then it's a once it sort
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: of you know, balloons out.
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: And ironically, when she played a prostitute in Firefly, she
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: showed less skin.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: And the cut of the top goes up straight, perfectly straight,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: and then it becomes this really high.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: College I love that jacket for her body. Yeah, but
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: it made her slend along there.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: It makes her look like she's got like a two
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: foot neck.
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: The pendant, which is always a big feature of her
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: the yeah from celestis that protects her and.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: It's probably one of the few efforts it was like
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: there was obviously some boombage going, but it was less
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: about seeing something than it was about extending her neck.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: That might have been the purpose, but I looked at
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: it and go, oh, that looks very alien, even though
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: I know you're supposed to be a human.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: It was it does make you look the clone people like, yeah,
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: that the.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: Well and you think about you think about the what
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: was the guy's name, the like the head prior guy
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: in the on the firewall.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Remember he had that big weird thing that went up around.
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: Hisn't he had the big ore I symbol sort of
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: thing that went up around his shoulders. It kind of
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: reminded me of that. There was some stuff in the
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: commentary about that costume, in particular because the costume department
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: wanted to go a little bit extra on Adria knowing
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: that it was going to be her last episode, but
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: also the fact that it kind of strips down in
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: that she she you know, has the full outfit on
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: with the cool jacket, but then when she's being held captive,
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: she obviously takes the jacket off, but it's still like
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: a full ensemble outfit where she still looks kind of
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: cool and badass as well. So yeah, no, I really
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: like that. But then, yeah, the reveal at the end
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: where she's like, not only does she get possessed by Ball,
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: but then she's dying, and then the bigger realitly in
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: where she ascends.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: I just don't like thinking about it. Logically, I don't
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: understand why Barr was in this episode, because you could
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: they could have captured Andria had her in that chair
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: and go now we're going to execute you and she's like,
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: you know, cough and she ascends, Like it still could
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: have had the exact same thing. It's just that, Yeah,
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: why was he in it? Because he says that you're dead,
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: but you can't believe it anyway because it's ba Yeah,
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: I wonder if it was a way.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: It was probably a haphazard way for them to try
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: and wrap up the Ball storyline as well. Yeah, right,
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: because when was the last time we saw Ball prior
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: to this? You know, it's just been a while.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was too much.
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think as much as I love unending,
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: I think, yeah, maybe we could have lost the Valid
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: Dad episode or something like that, done this as a
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: two partera Yeah, way way better. Yeah, the Quest would
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: have been the last time we saw Baal. That's too
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: part of the mid season two part would have been the
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: last time we saw it. And again that's him and
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: Adri was in that episode as well. We didn't get
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: to see the Jack Russell very disappointed.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: You talk about having like a you know, ideally a
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: three four episode or to wrap this up with this
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: sort of story like you could have had that is.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: Definitely keep on ending. I think it's mazing.
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, it's.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: Good, but you have and maybe like where the second
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: last episode of this arc wraps up with her being
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: revealed as a Gould and then it's like, okay, well
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: can we can we fix this? Can we? Because we
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: need her, we need her as an ally, we need
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: to save the gulds. And then in the end she
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: ascends and it's like, oh no, I guess still like
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: what they're at the end of this episode's like, oh,
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: we didn't have it, but we nearly did. It's like
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: and we're talking about stuff we could have cut out
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: of this episode, but at the same time, we're going, oh,
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: it's got so much we need to you know, it's
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: got too much story. We need to balloon it out
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: into to three or four. But to really push that.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: They were so close to having that in on the
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: Au Eye and it just didn't work out. And then
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: we know that we've got the finale coming up next week.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: Holy shit, what are they going to do when she's
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: not there to help the Auriye But she's also not
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: there to help us, So it's all twenty twenty hindsight.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: But and then keep this in mind for next week
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: for Unending, the Odyssey has a cloak in this episode.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the one from Shroud. We've now we've now
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: worked out how to operate it too, because remember the
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: whole thing with Shroud is how do we turn it off?
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: We don't know how to.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: Turn it off.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: The Odyssey is just since then we've learned how to
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: operate it.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: But they chose not to use it in Unending.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we'll get to that.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: That's all I'm going to say.
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: I did want to mention a couple of things, A
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: bit of a fun I don't know coincidence twist of
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: fake This is episode nineteen of season ten of Stargate
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: titled Dominion. Episode nineteen of season ten of Smallville was
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: also titled Dominion.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: Oh I never made it that far.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: No, Yeah, no, it took me a while to get
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: through get through that one.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: You didn't finish small No, So when you do what
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: you said last week, you're going to start that small
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: of a podcast, I.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: Right there with you those last two seasons.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: Now, I haven't seen the last four. I think the
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: last thing I saw was it was at Bizarro. I
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: think was like dragging Clark like along a like it
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: was the end of season six. I haven't seen car
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: are coming into it.
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: I think season one is perfect. I think season one
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: is phenomenal, and then from there it kind of slowly
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: dips me season four with like the Magic Witches taking over.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think small like just I mean, I know
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: it's all shows, but I remember that being the first
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: show where like I'd seen some of it along the
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: way and then I really wanted to go back and
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: rewatch it, and it was probably still before it was ending.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, you know, I'll catch up on
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: those miss seasons and stuff, and along the way, I
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: was like, Oh, this might be a show that I
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: can tell Link to watch because it's so aw And
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: then I would see episodes. I don't feel like that's
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: if I'm going to force Link to watch a season
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: that's already got or sorry, a series that's already got
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: six seven seasons, I could probably cut a few out
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: for him. That's where I really started to pay attention.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: God knows how long ago this was, but I really
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: started to pay attention to not filler episodes to use
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: a dark term, but to episodes it really did have
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: no meat meats to the ongoing and overall story. And
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: I remember thinking at the same time, is it unique
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: to this show or is this am I just finally
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: waking up as a viewer where not every episode is
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: necessary to the ongoing story.
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean that's that's basically theis between why we
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: do the top three, middle three, pullshit three. You know,
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: shows of this era just when you had to do
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: twenty six episode and twenty two episode seasons, there had
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: to be feller. You just had to get shipped out.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: I feel like we can't kind of gone back the
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: other way, where it's too much only the archives still
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: like an occasional standalone episode doesn't not necessarily in the
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: first foursodes, but kind of yeah, character building, like some
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: of those standalone episodes of SG one the first four
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: seasons are just the best TV.
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, speaking of I, I don't want to get
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: into a long conversation out it because we have to
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: wrap things up, but there was a little conversation they
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: had in this episode that kind of reminded me of
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: like the conversations that Brendan and I have had about
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: our differing opinions on the point of origin on the stargates.
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: Why would the ancients use the earth symbol for infinity
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: to hide their treasure?
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: And actually, no one knows the exact origin of the
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: symbol itself.
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: It's been found on to bet and rock carving, steading
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: back of a thousand years as well, so a host
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: of other places. For all we know, it could well
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: have originated with the ancients.
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: So yeah, that just made me think of that, and
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: just we're going to need to put aside like a
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: list of just episodes that have to do with that
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: argument that we can just watch as its own for
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: six ten episodes and really have a good argument at
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: the end.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: Of the Yeah.
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: Speaking of something we should let everybody know is obviously
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: we're getting very very close to the end of SG one,
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: so we're going to do an unending We're going to
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: do our normal season ten rank, but we're also going
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: to do like a series rank and a special episode
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: after we've done the ranks, just to kind of wrap
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: up SG one as a whole, both as a show
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: and as a podcast before we move on to finishing
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: off Atlantis and then doing you know, Ark of Truth
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: and Continuum. So we wanted to put a shout out
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: to anyone, like, if you guys want to submit like
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: some of your favorite bits from the podcast of all
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: the s Q one episodes, think arguments Brendan and I
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: have had about the point of origin, you know.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: Nobody, ultimate, alternate timelines versus alternate reality, whatever it is,
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: if you guys want to send us in, whether it
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: be through socials or tag us or whatever, because obviously
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: there's also things that we've completely forgotten, so you guys
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: might go, oh.
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, twenty minutes into Bane, you guys had this really
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: great joke about such and such. I'd love to relive
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: that because we've probably forgotten about it, so please send
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: in stuff and some of the you know, the more
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: popular ones and the things that sort of speak to us.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: We'll try and play during that special. And then the
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: last thing that I had is just so you guys
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: can go go easy on me a little bit, you know,
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: you guys give me, give me shit about how much
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: Star Trek. I bring up this little bit of trivia
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: that I read for this episode on the Gate World.
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: You know, trivia page for this episode is not something
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: that I would ever bring up in a million years,
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: So just be glad that this person is not doing
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: the podcast with you. This bit of trivia says the
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: technique to implant false memory to avoid being discovered is
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: reminiscent of a Star Trek Deep Space nine episode A
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: Simple Investigation. In both episodes, a character volunteers to infiltrated
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: enemy organization, and on both occasions, her memories are modified
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: to avoid her being discovered by telepathic probes.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: Can you imagine if I was that person? I hear,
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: I get it. It's a reach.
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: That's like saying each time there's a time traveler. So
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh, they obviously stole that from back
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: to the Future. Ye craziness, absolute craziness.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: See.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: And that's like in my Waalter Diaries, I do Stargate St.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: Zero nine, but that's a ripoff of ace Ventura, which
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: is obviously March to Star Trek.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: But that's like.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: Joe and Paul saying it's a ripoff. It's not a
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: rip off of Star Trek. It's a ripoff of Groundhog Day.
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, just with a sci fi twist.
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: So anyway, for me, it's kind I feel like it's
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: a bit of a fizzit for me this episode, just
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: because it's just they trying to wrap it so fast.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: It was a lot, It was a lot, so much
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: in it.
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: For me, it's I love the valor memory staff, and
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: I love the the idea of implanting a girld in
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: Adria I love.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: And then the fact that she ascends at the end.
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: Like I think, I forgive the episode because I enjoy
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: all those elements, but I do agree as a whole
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: it's kind of a little rushed and a little sort
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: of too much into into one episode. It would be
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: nice to explore a little bit. But I feel like,
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: imagine if we'd spent a whole forty minute episode on
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: the whole Vala memory thing and her spending time with
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: Adrea and feeling like, oh shit, Vala is actually going
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: to the dark side with Andrea. And then at the
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: end of that first forty minutes, that's when SG one
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: beams in, is like, hey, it's part of the ruse
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: the whole time. And then you've got forty minutes and
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: then you know Baal beams in steals Adrea.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: And that's the two be continued.
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: And then you've got another forty minutes to explore the ball,
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: wrap up the all the clones and the symbioe poison,
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: and then you find out that it is maybe we
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: find out the bar that goes into Adrea was the
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: final Baal and that was his last ditch effort, and
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: then by you know.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: A bit of confirmation would be nice, just all up
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: in the air. I think my least favorite part of
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: the episode is where the Baal Jafar beam in steal Adre.
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: I feel like there's just there was It was could
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: have been a really cool scene with me chill talking
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: to Andrea pie crust.
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: We didn't have it.
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: We didn't have a second to breathe I feel like
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: it was.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: Just very rash.
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: It's a lot for a forty minute episode. Yeah, yeah,
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: I agree.
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: Fun fact though, the.
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: First gun that was pulled on Varlet in the bar
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: at her back before, like that cool shot where there
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: was like that first one that is Will Smith's gun
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: from I Robot apparently.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, remember we spoke about that before. I think it
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: looks like a pulse pistol from.
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, it looks very much like Fastcape. Yeah no,
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: I mean, well that's your guys like Unending in two
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: weeks time, we're doing Unending, can you. I can't believe
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: we're finally here, never come filling.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: A couple of weeks ago, getting out the DVD from
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: the big box set that I have and it's got
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: five cases in it, and the final case from the box.
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: Get into the last disc, I was like, whoa, yeah, wild.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah bo talking about gray hairs.
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well that's coming. There's some pepular pew for you.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: And for that, going back to our scheduling, Mattie, when
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: you were talking about the Teley movies and stuff, we
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: are just for those listening, we are intending to do
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: sgu as well after that, Yes.
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And we'll do we'll do Arch of Truth pretty
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: soon and then but it'll be it'll be like a
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: whole season of Atlanta before we get to Continuum.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: Just we're trying to do it.
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: As chronologically as possible given that, Yeah, Mitch hasn't seen Atlantis.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: Considering Mitch's Captain chronology, he'll give himself a brain aneurysm
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: if we do it out of order.
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was trying to find it Dancing with the
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: Stars Dance Dance Dance on YouTube.
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: It it's I like, I laughed at those, but I
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: also had a little bit guilty laughing at those, given
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: that Lincoln's done two seasons of Dancing with the Stars. Okay,
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: I was like, maybe, but I'm like, the Australian one's
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: not too bad, maybe the American one's worse.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: So I mean, it's TV. It's free to wear TV. Actually,
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: when did Lincoln do his first seas?
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: And Mitch like, given that this show came out in
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: two thousand and seven, two thousand and nine, Okay.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: If you guys, if you guys want to go and
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: find Dancing with the Stars from that season and see
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: it in his prime, lincol Lewis like shirtless, just.
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: All greased dancing the Sumber the one he did two
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: or three years ago, whenever that was, and I don't
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: know what song it was. There was one number in
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: particular he come out and I think he was at
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: once the opening where it's a bit more of a
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: rock song, and he came out with a guitar that
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: was firing off fireworks. It was amazing.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: But actually back to Stargate, I remember going down the
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: Duff Warrior and going down to see Lincoln. He was
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: filming in Melbourne, and that was when I was still
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: doing long distance with Sarah and she lived down there.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: And before she dropped me at the airport, I said,
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: I've got to go see Link. I couldn't stay and
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: watch the recording. I said, I've got a present for him.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: And he was so sick. He was so sick because
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: he was also filming another TV show like during the
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: basically during the day, and then he was doing Dancing
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: with the Stars at night. Yeah wow, or at least
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: you know, the early evening into the late evening, not
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: overnight shit. But he was just he was so dog
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: tired and he was so crooked. And I've shown up
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: and he's given him a call and he's, you know,
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: let me into the you know, the private entrance and stuff.
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: Went into his dressing room and he's sitting there and
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: like some sequent number getting ready to film, and he's
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: just so like half he's got one eye open.
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: He's like, yeah there you going, yeah good.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: So I've got this for you. And I brought the
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: newly released complete SGA series box set that was in
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: a white, beautiful white tin. I remember that because he
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: had all the individual seasons. We started watching it together
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: and we're going out to the shops and buying SGA
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: season one, coming home watching the pilot episode, We're like, shit,
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: cham more start rock on And I never watched another episode.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: John loved it. And then when it finished and I
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: bought him the complete box set, it was all still
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: wrapped in the plastic, but this beautiful tin complaint are
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: containing five brand new individual seasons of the inside. I
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: remember giving it to him and he was so sick.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: And I know how much link love Stargate. Yeah, I've
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: given him other Stargate gifts along the way. How appreciative
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: his he is and that I gave to him, and
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: he was like oh, thanks, just put over there, And
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I came all this way. I've driven
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: an hour to get to you, so then drive another
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: forty five minutes to the airport. I'm going to save
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: myself so much time. You are grateful a little. Oh
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: that's right, you're sick, You're fine, Yeah, but yeah, I
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: remember going to try and lifty spirits with Stargate and
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: he was that sick. Stargate still didn't do it for him,
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: isn't isn't that.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: A weird human thing too?
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: Like Culturally, for us, it's like we give a gift
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: because we also we enjoy seeing someone's enjoyment of getting
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: getting when you're that, Whereas apparently in a lot of
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: Asian cultures, it's like if you give someone a birthday present,
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: they would never open it in front of you. That's rude.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they would take that present away and open it
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: in private, Whereas I.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: Guess here we try to tell our kids not open
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: the card first, like, yeah, don't show, it's all about
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: the present.
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, kids like hooray for capitalism.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: Get My oldest boy is nearly twelve. I still don't
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: think he's properly understood that concept of it. But why Yeah,
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: it's a piece of cardboard.
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, with people feel give me something, it's just like
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: they say, it says happy birthday.
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: A friend I went to school with she was one
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: of those feels that she would buy you a birthday
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: card and then would fill the inside it. She'd write
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: you a whole letter on the inside. She's like, well,
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: I can't read this now. I'll get certain birthday cards
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: and they would have a fold out. She would have
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: to like she would have to like sticky tape a
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: piece of paper in it to keep continuing with her thought.
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: And I just be like, bitch, what it's like?
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: Just read it?
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: And there's an awkward port Yeah for like reading it
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: for fifteen minutes while I'm reading this novel in front
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: of like thirty people.
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we're not.
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: Whereas I like, you know, now, I still I might
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: write my wife a card for you know, our anniversary
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: or her birthday or something Valentine's or whatever. And you know,
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: occasionally I'll obviously do a good one and I'm happy
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: enough with it, but then she'll read it and she'll
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: love it. And I took a photo and I sent
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: that to my mom and I'm like, well, don't show anyone.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: She knows all the things that I say, Like I
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: just talked about how much I love you, how much
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: you mean to me, and blah blah blah blah, our future,
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: our family, everything we've achieved.
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: Bedroom.
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: But you know you don't have to go and tell everyone.
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: Going to write your message on the wall with my
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: ches later.
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's a big load.
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Mitchell James Lewis, Yeah, that's I'm gonna.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, Mike's are off. Okay, I'm wrapping this. Mike's
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: are off.
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: I'll turn your phaer down, buddy, I'm gonna I'm gonna
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: sign my I'm going to sign my name.
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: Okay, yep, No, that's why I cut you off.
• 57:42
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