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The Pacers Report with Mike Rich & Will Retherford (2.113.1) · The Central Indiana Sports Report

• 0:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: ugly game from our perspective, Washington played a great game, really, they established aggression from the very beginning and carried it through to the end and got a tip you're after them.
• 0:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: The way we play today is, uh, is, is not acceptable, not enough energy, not, not, not, not, not the right spirit.
• 0:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, not enough aggression, physicality, you can kind of go down the list.
• 0:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: Welcome, Pacers fans to the central Indian sports report for this week's Pacers Report with
• 0:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: about trade rumours and there are some what seemed to be legitimate trade rumours out there but as we know Kevin Pritchard never does with the trade rumours say so keep that in mind to take this all with a grain of salt but what I've seen is very interesting and I wanted to run it by our Pacers guy Mike Rich and will rather thevert of a strictly biased his podcast his reaction
• 1:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: 15 in the NFL, be out a little later today.
• 1:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: So look for that.
• 1:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: Wanted to run some of these trade rumors by these guys and basically the rumor is, the paces are looking to fill the role at center immediately.
• 1:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: Of course, that's the key needs for the paces.
• 1:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: still don't think that the current group of or center-by-committees is working for the spacers at all.
• 1:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: J-half I think was 3S7 or something 3S6 from 3.
• 1:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Line again tonight.
• 1:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's a water-down-miles turner and you got so many good pieces on that team that there's we had if we had a decent center we would probably be
• 2:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: And well, that's why I awarded the question the way I did.
• 2:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: Your thoughts on that.
• 2:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: Because I'm not sure, the point right now and the point we are right now is that the Pacers just got blown out at home by the worst team in the NBA on Sunday evening, a big loss to the wizards.
• 2:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: You're at the point now where you're not even thinking playoffs.
• 2:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm so ill-prepared to talk about the current team, I don't even know what their record is, but it's one of the worst than League 6 and 19, maybe.
• 2:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like that.
• 2:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: And what we should be thinking about now is the future.
• 2:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: Of course, Kevin Pritchard knows what he's doing.
• 2:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going to, he's not going to be listening to my input, but... Well, do we want to upgrade a center right now?
• 2:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: Or do you want to do that in the off-season?
• 2:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: They shouldn't do a damn thing.
• 2:59
  [SPEAKER_04]: The rest of your, stop.
• 3:01
  [SPEAKER_04]: Don't upgrade anything.
• 3:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: Be as bad as you can be.
• 3:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's a lost season already, I don't do any things.
• 3:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: Don't do anything you're going to regret doing.
• 3:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: I certainly don't want to be them to be as bad as you can be.
• 3:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: I want to see Aaron Nimhard continue to play some of his best basketball of his career, of course, not tonight.
• 3:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: Pascal Ciaquim is definitely playing the best basketball of his career.
• 3:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's good to see Ben hadic matter and needs to have some trade value.
• 3:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: So seeing him out there, I want to see some wins.
• 3:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to see it be.
• 3:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: If they ended the season with six seven wins, I would not be happy with that.
• 3:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: That would mean the Tyre's haliburans coming back to a team that's not worth anything.
• 3:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think the overall would be like 19 and a half right now.
• 3:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I would probably take the under on that.
• 3:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think you're right.
• 3:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that's good enough for one of the four worst records in the east.
• 3:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I'd like to see some progress as well.
• 4:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'd like to see him win some games and also have one of the worst records in the league.
• 4:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: So it's kind of like I've been saying all year.
• 4:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of a win win.
• 4:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't know when it's a sign of progress, but they lose.
• 4:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a better draft pick.
• 4:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'd like to see him get in the top four, four, five in the draft and and build from the draft.
• 4:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I just don't want to preachers guys the right guy because he's a Jerry Swacker Take looks at a trotius at this point.
• 4:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: He probably looks like a the G-leaker out there on most nights to be quite honest with you.
• 4:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's lost but
• 4:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
• 4:42
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think that you want been maddened to play well.
• 4:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: You want nimbard to continue to progress, but it's like none of them are in their roles.
• 4:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: They're going to be in next year.
• 4:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: So it doesn't really matter.
• 4:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: Nimbard's not going to be the primary ballhand of their next year.
• 4:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: You're going to be the starting two guard when you have halibut and back.
• 4:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: You just want, you want people to stay healthy.
• 4:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: You want them to, I guess, put up good numbers for their career and their legacy for them, but like you don't, you don't really want them to win a whole lot and they're not going to.
• 5:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: They're just asking
• 5:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: Anybody who looks at this piece of steam and thinks that Tyre's Haliburton isn't a top 15 player in the league.
• 5:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: You just fooling yourself.
• 5:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: His impact on on this pacers team is, you know, just unbelievable.
• 5:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: The Pacers are in a situation where they're going to have to decide do we want to sit people down at times and we want to keep people healthy, do we want to
• 5:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: Just bear an e-smith out as long as possible.
• 5:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think the most common out as long as possible.
• 5:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's where we are.
• 5:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: Nobody should be coming back unless there are 100% healthy, not even 99%.
• 5:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: If you're 99%, sit another day, because it just doesn't matter.
• 5:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, you want to protect your future.
• 5:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: You want to protect the next year's next year's the year that you think that you can go and do it.
• 6:01
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know what the Pacers are going to do in terms of their center.
• 6:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, they're some trade speculation.
• 6:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: I doubt they've printed as a whole lot to be honest with you.
• 6:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think that he wants to see how Oliver and progress is, but they've got some tough decisions to make here, you know, whether they want to trade matter in for probably what he's worth or let him walk.
• 6:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, that's what I want to talk about coming up here in just a minute.
• 6:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to talk about the draft because I've been talking about that a lot and how good it is at the top of the draft and if you're going to have a bad year, this is probably the year.
• 6:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: As we heard on the Bill Simmons podcast, they talked about it being the best tanking possibility since the spurs got Tim Duncan for the Pacers that could turn the franchise around that much.
• 6:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: So all this is a good thing, but we're not here to talk about those guys.
• 6:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: We've talked about them enough and we're going to be talking about them for the next
• 6:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, we're here today as to talk about some trade rumours at the center, so I want to get your guys opinion.
• 7:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's do that here and just a second.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Alright guys, some of these names actually really excite me in you put them next to Tyre's Hall of Burton, so that's why I wanted to bring these up.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: If they did make any of these trades, I agree with Will.
• 7:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: I agree with you, Mike.
• 7:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think losing right now is the best way to go.
• 7:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: But if they made any of these trades, it would not disappoint me at all.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And let's start with Walker Kessler.
• 7:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: Your thoughts of him next to Tyre's Oliver.
• 7:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if he's a game changer, but he's an upgrade over what Miles Turner was for a roster that's essentially going to be the same.
• 7:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think that his ability to be an offensive and defensive rebounder is going to definitely help.
• 7:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: You know what Greg, I kind of like having Jay Huff is my change of pace center on the pace or stream a real shot block or room protector at this end of position.
• 8:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: So I like Kesters make up as a, you know, you're going to get
• 8:09
  [SPEAKER_04]: 17 to 20 in 10 rebounds a game.
• 8:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think that's awesome.
• 8:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think that his price is going to I think the more of the question or the Pacers willing to give up what it's going to take to get him.
• 8:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: But I like his makeup on this team in terms of just strictly a pick and roll presence for Piris Haliburton.
• 8:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think if you can increase his three point production at all.
• 8:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: You really like him a lot.
• 8:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: You can offer the pick and pop.
• 8:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: If if he's seven, two, probably not going to run the floor.
• 8:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: A ton, not going to be, you know, kind of one of those 16, 6, 11 track guys that just run up and down the floor and our gut can all over people.
• 8:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's not going to be that.
• 8:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: But he is going to be a steady heartbeat who can balance this pace or is offensively and defensively.
• 8:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: But you don't trade your first round draft big form at this point, right?
• 8:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, I don't think so.
• 8:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: One of these guys, Jared Allen, Daniel Gaffard, even Zubat's, you're not trading that first round drive.
• 9:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, I don't think so.
• 9:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think at four, you're taking your role in the dice with who you can get there four or five if that's where your draft position's at.
• 9:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: I just wanted to make sure we're all in the same.
• 9:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: What about Madher and you give up Madher in for Jared Allen or Walker Kessler?
• 9:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not trading matter in in conference.
• 9:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think I think I'm sending to the West Coast.
• 9:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't want anybody with a vendetta against a team.
• 9:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: If he needs to go, he needs to go at West.
• 9:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: Don't don't trade him to the calves, especially he's one of those players.
• 9:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: You just don't want lingering.
• 9:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: He plays with attitude and he could be a thorn in the
• 9:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't love Jared Allen.
• 9:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't love him because I think in that pace or series, he got completely washed away last year, and I think that you're able to take him away from a game.
• 9:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: Does he fit the mold that the Pacers need with the ability to shoot three pointer, play sound defensively?
• 10:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, but I don't think I'm giving madder enough for him.
• 10:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think I'm using madder as a blue chip type of go get
• 10:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: think matter in for Walker Kessler to be quite frank with you is this probably a trade I like a lot.
• 10:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: I like that trade too.
• 10:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's that's what I was thinking.
• 10:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: You don't want to trading to the calves or anywhere in the division or even in the eastern conference.
• 10:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: He might average 30 points one day.
• 10:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: But he won't average 30 points a night.
• 10:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: He might have a certain points one day because he's just he's showing it now.
• 10:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's just too inconsistent But if he becomes a teams go to score you can really see him filling it up.
• 10:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't say he's a great basketball player But he's already virgin on an elite score And I think he's got I think that's what printer needs to wait on is where He is at the highest potential a trade bay
• 11:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: The thing is, we'll walk your counselor, Jared Allen, Daniel Gaffer, they may be available now and you might have to go get them.
• 11:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: That it doesn't make a difference.
• 11:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: I say you don't.
• 11:16
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think you still just see kind of what your, you know, how Ty Reese is recovering, what how does he look, how does I just think right now, I don't know that I'm giving that up early.
• 11:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's either a trade deadline piece and I get you a great return, especially the averaging close to 24 and I.
• 11:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: People, regardless of what you think about the NBA community, people are still going to look at his numbers.
• 11:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: They're going to ignore that field of goal person.
• 11:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: They're going to see this guy scores 24 and night.
• 11:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: He gets five rebounds.
• 11:42
  [SPEAKER_04]: He gets three assists.
• 11:43
  [SPEAKER_04]: We can work with that.
• 11:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: Are this the winner?
• 11:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's what you need for your franchise.
• 11:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: He would be a great piece to add.
• 11:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: I like Madarin as your change of pace.
• 11:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: I like him as the sixth guy because I think that his ability to come in and be a guy that can get to the line can establish a bit of an attitude driving to the bucket and he's relentless.
• 12:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: Mike to his credit talks about the inconsistency, but if there's one thing I know about Ben Madarin, he is not going to be afraid to fire the ball up the next shot.
• 12:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: He is there is no red light in his mindset.
• 12:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: I like that.
• 12:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I think a team likes that, especially if they're looking for that maybe be level score.
• 12:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: Not your top of the line guys, but if you're looking for a high end B plus score, then matter and is the guy for you.
• 12:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: True.
• 12:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's why he's better off the bench.
• 12:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think he's I think he shouldn't start a game the rest of his career because if he's starting for your team You're gonna lose a lot of games.
• 12:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's a guy.
• 12:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: You bring off the bench.
• 12:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: He I like him averaging 16 to 20 a night I generally agree with you, but it kind of depends on your teams make up he might be perfect in the right role the right team I think this is the right team for the ball the ball gets too sticky in a sense
• 12:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's streaky good.
• 13:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's times where he's just kind of lights out.
• 13:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: And that's, but that's what you want to see night and night out.
• 13:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: And, or somewhere close to that.
• 13:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: Still pretty young.
• 13:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Consistencies what happens when you mature and he's still not quite there yet.
• 13:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's still really young and putting up big numbers.
• 13:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's unrestricted at the end of this year.
• 13:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
• 13:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: or sign up or extend them yeah they have to that's what they've been talking about all summer all year this is make a break for been bothering i was surprised we even heard Carlisle say that the ball gets sticking in his hands and we're watching that and to see if he fits into our team and this is kind of his last chance to see if he fits in and unfortunately
• 13:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: I doubt that he will be back next year unless we want to pay him a big salary that he probably not worth.
• 14:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: Guys, the one I like the most and probably would take the least to get is Daniel Gafford.
• 14:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: He might actually fit into the Pacers more perfectly than any of them.
• 14:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: I love his game.
• 14:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: What do you love about his game?
• 14:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: He rebounds.
• 14:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: He plays in the paint, he blocks shots, he also has a mid-range game, he's a kind of a prospect between a traditional center and a modern day center, and I really like that.
• 14:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's kind of what I think the Pacers are looking for.
• 14:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't know if he'd be nearly as hard to get, he's not as, as good of a player as Walker, muscular or Jared Allen, but now he might fit in better and cost less.
• 14:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: 27 years old six to no I don't think you bring Daniel Gaffard in to be your starting center.
• 14:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: So I who hopefully good man
• 15:01
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's one of the he's a tough one.
• 15:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's a tough one because you see the tape and you say hey this is the guy Athletic intangibles goes and gets the ball and I do like his 15 foot game my issue with him more or less is Is he gonna stay healthy as he consistently going to show up for this team is the team right for him
• 15:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
• 15:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
• 15:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I think those are questions that have to be answered by pictured by Carlisle, you know, what this is defined role.
• 15:32
  [SPEAKER_04]: Look like on this pace or steam, because I don't think I think if there's not one, you don't pull the trigger on the guy like him.
• 15:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: Even though I do agree, I think his price is cheap right now because of the issues that he's having in Dallas.
• 15:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: Just goes and gets you double day of it.
• 15:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: Digit rebounds every single night.
• 15:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: Takes good shots.
• 15:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: Doesn't try to do too much.
• 15:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Runs the floor.
• 15:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: Kind of exactly what the Pacers need.
• 15:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would like somebody that averages a double double.
• 16:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he will do that for you.
• 16:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: How about that?
• 16:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 16:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, especially if you gave him starter minutes.
• 16:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: And he said, when he's had that in his career, he's been good.
• 16:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's been really good.
• 16:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: Of course, he's been most of his career behind really good players and he's coming off the bench and Dallas now, yes.
• 16:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: And not playing nearly a role and still average in about six or seven rebounds a game and he's had double digit rebounds and every game pretty much that he's had significant minutes.
• 16:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's that, there's either you would trade Madder in fourth.
• 16:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, I think you have to get better than that for Madder.
• 16:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: And if you're going to get Madder, and then you might as well upgrade its center.
• 17:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm talking about getting Daniel Gaffer for something like Jaris Walker and some second round draft picks and it'll be top and something like that if even that.
• 17:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: don't let him go.
• 17:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's like he won him on your team.
• 17:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: He is the perfect bench guy.
• 17:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's got he either done touchables a bench guy I think is there is.
• 17:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's more in touchable to me than McConnell.
• 17:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: I was ability to run the floor.
• 17:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: He was pivotal in that that pace was playoff
• 17:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: Alright guys, thanks so much, I don't think we're going to be probably doing a ton of reaction podcast with the Pacers playing like this, but we will do it when it's important and we will definitely have a Pacers report every single week with Mike Rich and Guess and on Thursday we will be reacting to the next game so I hope everybody will join us for that when it
• 18:51
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