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The Late Debate | 14 July · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Late Debate.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the Late Debates with Caleb Bond,
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  Speaker 2: Joe Hildebrand and Freyer Leech now coming up tonight. The
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  Speaker 2: council that spent years investigating whether a church was making
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  Speaker 2: too much noise because two residents complained, only to decide
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  Speaker 2: that it wasn't making too much noise.
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  Speaker 3: More on that.
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  Speaker 1: Later in the papers.
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  Speaker 2: Parents refusing to let men work with their kids in
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  Speaker 2: childcare centers after that awful case in Melbourne. Honestly, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know why you'd want to work in childcare as
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  Speaker 2: a man these days. And a state politician and former
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  Speaker 2: copper slides back into her old career and joined the
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  Speaker 2: police chase after she sees some young thugs running past
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  Speaker 2: her office.
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  Speaker 1: Will tell you a bit more about that later.
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  Speaker 2: But an interesting little dispute going on in the Greens
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  Speaker 2: at the moment. I mean, who would have thought that
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  Speaker 2: the Greens would be anti free speech and that they
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  Speaker 2: would try to get rid of people who set up
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  Speaker 2: the party who could think know how the party is
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  Speaker 2: meant to operate because they start to question how the
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  Speaker 2: party is operating. Well, that's exactly what they've done to
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  Speaker 2: Drew Hatton. He was one of the original founders of
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  Speaker 2: the Greens party with Bob Brown. He comes from Queensland.
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  Speaker 2: He set up and led the Queensland division of the
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  Speaker 2: Greens for many years. You could see him there on screen.
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  Speaker 2: He is a life member of the Greens, but they
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  Speaker 2: have now expelled him from the party after having him
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  Speaker 2: permanently suspended for a long time, which they apparently worked
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  Speaker 2: out they couldn't do, so they just dumped him entirely
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  Speaker 2: because he dared to defend the former Victorian convener of
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  Speaker 2: the Greens who had questioned whether there were issues with
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  Speaker 2: their gender policy. Yes, he posted on Facebook. This is
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  Speaker 2: the offending post that got inbooted from the Greens. He said,
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  Speaker 2: I believe in full human rights for trans people at
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  Speaker 2: the same time and supporting the right of women to
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  Speaker 2: be free from patriarchy's oppression. I'm also prepared to say
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  Speaker 2: these things public. Unfortunately in the Greens at present that
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  Speaker 2: would seem to make me a transphobe. And then people
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  Speaker 2: jumped on and disagreed with him about this point, and
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  Speaker 2: then the Green said, well, you can't allow people to
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  Speaker 2: say these sorts of things in the comments under your
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  Speaker 2: post on Facebook.
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  Speaker 1: If you don't do.
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  Speaker 2: Something about it, we're going to get rid of you.
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  Speaker 2: And he said, well, we believe in free speech, don't we.
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  Speaker 2: We believe in an open debate. They said, no, offer
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  Speaker 2: you go. He's written a column about it in the
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  Speaker 2: Courier Mail in which he said, I'm being expelled because
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  Speaker 2: I refuse to delete comments made by others on two
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  Speaker 2: of my Facebook posts. The main issue is whether the
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  Speaker 2: Greens are a progressive party which engages in robust democratic
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  Speaker 2: debate around issues, or whether it is an authoritarian, top down,
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  Speaker 2: dogmatic party that expels people who express a different opinion
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  Speaker 2: to the leadership. Keep in mud, this is one of
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  Speaker 2: the founders of the party saying this. He went on
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  Speaker 2: to write, It's not the only principle of democracy. Democracy
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  Speaker 2: not the only principle. Sorry that he is in peril.
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  Speaker 2: There is also growing acceptance of violence in the culture
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  Speaker 2: of the Greens. Prominent Greens should not be singing rap songs,
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  Speaker 2: advocating burning down buildings, failing to criticize the politics of hamas,
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  Speaker 2: or engaging in potentially violent disruptions of public meetings of
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  Speaker 2: women rights campaigners. Nonviolence is a core principle of Green
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  Speaker 2: politics and should be respected, especially by key spokespersons. He
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  Speaker 2: says directly in this column, this is not the party
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  Speaker 2: that Bob Brown and I started.
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  Speaker 1: It's amazing to.
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  Speaker 2: Me that it took Drew that long to wake up
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  Speaker 2: to the fact that the Greens had turned into something
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  Speaker 2: very different. But he is experiencing firsthand they are doing
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  Speaker 2: to one of their fathers, founding fathers. You're not welcome
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  Speaker 2: anymore because you dare to say that maybe we should
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  Speaker 2: be a Green party instead of a socialist social issues path.
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  Speaker 4: And Bob Brown himself is being quietly but methodically sidelined
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  Speaker 4: as well, and they just can't do it in such
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  Speaker 4: a high profile way because he is so emblematic of them.
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  Speaker 4: But firstly, I mean, the first thing to note is
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  Speaker 4: that this is what happened with all extreme left parties
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  Speaker 4: organizational movements. They ended up eating themselves because they all
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  Speaker 4: end up having a debate about what the most kind
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  Speaker 4: of ideologically pure position they can possibly hold on any
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  Speaker 4: given issue, and then anyone who doesn't immediately conform to
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  Speaker 4: that position is purged. And this happens in you know,
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  Speaker 4: Soviet Russia, and it happens in the Greens. So that
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  Speaker 4: is what happens. So there's this new you know, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: what's today's you know causes you all right, it's quicks
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  Speaker 4: for Palestine, it's you know, if you don't say that
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  Speaker 4: every single trans you know, a man who goes into
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  Speaker 4: a bathroom and scares women, but his trans If you
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  Speaker 4: didn't immediately say that he or she is a woman,
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  Speaker 4: suddenly you're transphobic. Therefore you are purged, you are out.
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  Speaker 4: And the Left does this all the time, and that's
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  Speaker 4: great because it makes them weak and stupid and further
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  Speaker 4: removes them from mainstream thinking and hopefully further puts people
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  Speaker 4: off voting for them. What also happened with the Greens,
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  Speaker 4: very very specifically, is that it did start out as
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  Speaker 4: a kind of peace, love and mung bean sort of movement.
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  Speaker 4: It was, of course Bob Brown trying to protect protect
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  Speaker 4: the Franklin River in Tasmania, and indeed he was trying
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  Speaker 4: to engage the government on this and the former Hawk
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  Speaker 4: government with Gareth Evans's Attorney General before he became Foreign Minister,
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  Speaker 4: was doing spy flights over the Franklin to make sure
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  Speaker 4: that it wasn't being logged. To get a sort of
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  Speaker 4: live and sort of got into trouble because I said,
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  Speaker 4: hang Onny, you meant to be doing this and he
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  Speaker 4: got the nickname Biggles as a result of this. Anyway,
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  Speaker 4: in the years since, the Greens have been systematically infiltrated
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  Speaker 4: by card carry and communists, by stalinists, by unrepentant sort
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  Speaker 4: of socialists who basically went from the Communist Party of
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  Speaker 4: Australia and said right, well, that thing's gone, could put
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  Speaker 4: where can we go next? And these are the people
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  Speaker 4: who infiltrated and the people who are pretty much running
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  Speaker 4: it now, and they are purging people out of at left,
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  Speaker 4: right and center because that's what communis love to do,
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  Speaker 4: they love to purge. A good matter, mind is another
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  Speaker 4: person who was built out, Jeremy Buckingham who was in
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  Speaker 4: New South Wales Greens MP, who they basically turned on.
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  Speaker 4: They fitted up some allegations against him and and then
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  Speaker 4: booted him out of the party because again he was
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  Speaker 4: just laid back. You know, why why are we siding
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  Speaker 4: with terrorists? Like why are we doing this? And there
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  Speaker 4: are a few good people still in the Greens, like
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  Speaker 4: Kate Fairman is a good Green, but she's fight fighting.
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  Speaker 4: I think she's increasingly on the losing side as it
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  Speaker 4: becomes more and more. I mean, Marine Farouki is probably
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  Speaker 4: the ultimate example of that sort of hard left of
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  Speaker 4: the hard left. And then you've got that's right, but
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  Speaker 4: even the Greens realized that this could be too much,
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  Speaker 4: so that's when they went with the oh so beij
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  Speaker 4: Larissa Waters. And then you've got sort of the other.
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  Speaker 2: Moderated Sarah Hanson Young who actually believes in the Greens
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  Speaker 2: being the Greens party, and you had the Young Greens
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  Speaker 2: coming out. So we abstually cannot have Shara hands and
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  Speaker 2: Young as leader because she'd lead us back to the
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  Speaker 2: environs she's and that's the problem.
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  Speaker 5: The Greens is no longer a party of sustainability. They're
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  Speaker 5: a party of cultural marks and that's actually what they
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  Speaker 5: want to see. It's all about the revolution. It's all
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  Speaker 5: about overthrowing the oppressors. It's all about overthrowing the so
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  Speaker 5: called state of Australia and our evil colonialist region. We
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  Speaker 5: even look at their election platform, how often did they
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  Speaker 5: really talk about the environment.
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  Speaker 6: Very little.
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  Speaker 5: It was all about taxing billionaires, social housing, like lefty issues,
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  Speaker 5: indigenous stuff. They rarely talked about the environment or even
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  Speaker 5: climate change.
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  Speaker 6: It's all about.
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  Speaker 5: Socialist policies and I think the Greens they will have
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  Speaker 5: a moment like the Democratic Party where if you end
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  Speaker 5: up this dogmatic, this authoritarian, as the founder of the
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  Speaker 5: Greens said, they are, eventually voters will just look at
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  Speaker 5: you and go, I don't want any part of that
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  Speaker 5: because the perversion. Now they're standing on the side of terrorists,
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  Speaker 5: they're standing against women and denying biology. They've got policies
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  Speaker 5: that are going to bankrupt Australia through their radical climate action.
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  Speaker 5: They're not on the side of ordinary people.
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  Speaker 2: Thank god Albanzi was re elected with an increased majority,
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  Speaker 2: because you imagine if.
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  Speaker 4: This well ended up in Yeah, they are terrible, terrible,
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  Speaker 4: terrible people, and the more people say them for what
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  Speaker 4: they really are, the better as far as.
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  Speaker 1: I'm concerned, wholeheartedly agree.
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  Speaker 2: While we're talking about issues of identity politics, the census,
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  Speaker 2: the next census. They're sending out these test papers now,
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  Speaker 2: they're sent about to sixty thousand homes just to sort
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  Speaker 2: of check that everything is running right. And this is
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  Speaker 2: going to be the first census that asks questions about
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  Speaker 2: sexuality and gender identity. And the ABS first floated this
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  Speaker 2: idea last year and the Albanesi government wasn't going to
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  Speaker 2: do it.
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  Speaker 1: They said they.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't want it there, but then there was pushback and
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  Speaker 2: they walked back on that. So the question we have
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  Speaker 2: found out today is absolutely going to be in the
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  Speaker 2: new census, and they're sending it out in these test papers.
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  Speaker 2: And to be honest, I don't know why there was
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  Speaker 2: a hall of a little about it in the first place, because,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the census is meant to be an accurate record,
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  Speaker 2: or as accurate as possible, a record of the demography
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  Speaker 2: of the country on that particular night, and surely, particularly
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  Speaker 2: when we're talking about how many people may or may
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  Speaker 2: not be transgender, and issues of sexuality and whatever dominating
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  Speaker 2: the politics that we talk about so much, why would
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  Speaker 2: we not be asking people these questions.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's not the fact that they're asking the questions,
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  Speaker 5: because I agree it would be interesting to have accurate
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  Speaker 5: data around how many trans people there really are in Australia.
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  Speaker 5: But I think what the issue is is that it
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  Speaker 5: seems to be part of a broader, wokefication of the census.
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  Speaker 5: For example, they are also removing gendered language when it
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  Speaker 5: comes to the family section, so they make it more inclusive.
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  Speaker 5: Instead of referring to mums and dads, we'll just have parents.
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  Speaker 4: They're alloo yeah.
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  Speaker 5: And they're also removing the question around how many many
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  Speaker 5: children have you had over the course of your lives.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, we are.
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  Speaker 5: Facing a global fertility crisis. If there's one thing you
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  Speaker 5: want to be asking about, it is how many kids
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  Speaker 5: are you having? Because that matters so much for the
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  Speaker 5: direction of our country. So I agree, I think obsessing
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  Speaker 5: about this one facet kind of misses the broader picture,
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  Speaker 5: which is that if it was just about accurate data collection, fine,
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  Speaker 5: but it's clearly about more than that. It's about making
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  Speaker 5: the census progressive and palatable to the left, and I
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  Speaker 5: think that's wrong, and that's.
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  Speaker 4: Why Anthony Alberinezi initially did not want to do it.
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  Speaker 4: And I have to say, as I always do, we
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  Speaker 4: to discuss these things. My wife works for Quality Australia,
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  Speaker 4: so that was one of the organizations pushing through this,
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  Speaker 4: and their position was exactly the same as yours, cayle Bo.
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  Speaker 4: So why wouldn't you just the census is there to
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  Speaker 4: find out information. Why wouldn't you find out in front?
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  Speaker 4: I don't think it's certain about this area, and I
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  Speaker 4: think it is pertinent. I think we'll actually find that
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  Speaker 4: there's a tiny number of people who trans issues actually effects,
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  Speaker 4: and there's just a huge amount of noise about it
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  Speaker 4: on both and the activists have themselves to blame for this,
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  Speaker 4: also on the right as well, who are thinking, oh
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  Speaker 4: my god, these people are going to come and take
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  Speaker 4: over all our bathrooms. In fact, it's going to it's
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  Speaker 4: just a tiny minority. But but this is why, again,
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  Speaker 4: this is why I keep saying, Anthony Albanezi is not woe.
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  Speaker 4: He's so not woke that he's that he's pissing off
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  Speaker 4: all the woke people who are trying to make him
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  Speaker 4: do woke stuff. So it's not even touching stuff that
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  Speaker 4: the eminent Caleb Bond thinks would be a perfectly good idea,
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  Speaker 4: just in case people think it's worth No.
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  Speaker 5: He only want a guy, and the only reason he
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  Speaker 5: backflipped on this was because he didn't want the culture war.
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  Speaker 5: But deep down, Anthony Albanezi would love to see this
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  Speaker 5: back in the senses.
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  Speaker 6: That's why it's back in. He doesn't have some.
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  Speaker 5: Ideological opposition to transitioning people to the left, like he's
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  Speaker 5: at home in the progressive left. Let's be real, let's
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  Speaker 5: rewrite history here.
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  Speaker 4: He's at home in lots of different places. He's a
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  Speaker 4: very pragmatic, including the cliff You guys, they're criticizing him
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  Speaker 4: so flexible.
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  Speaker 1: He's at home in the cliff tops of Copa Cabana.
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  Speaker 6: It's not yet, not exactly well over in the US.
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  Speaker 5: Now, Trump marked the one year anniversary of the assassination
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  Speaker 5: attempt against him, and he marked it at the FIFA
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  Speaker 5: World Cup Championship with this absolutely iconic moment.
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  Speaker 7: God was protecting me, maybe because God wanted to see
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  Speaker 7: our count think it's better.
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  Speaker 5: So he went to the FIFA World Cup and celebrated
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  Speaker 5: with a bunch of the Trump administration, and he presented
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  Speaker 5: the cup to Chelsea, who won the Fever World Championship.
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  Speaker 6: And I love this.
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  Speaker 5: Some guy came up to usherom off stage and he's like, nah,
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  Speaker 5: I'm just gonna stay here and enjoin the celebrations.
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  Speaker 6: And that is just Trump, absolutely iconic.
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  Speaker 5: But in case you forgot what happened a year ago,
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  Speaker 5: it was truly I think we witnessed.
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  Speaker 6: History unfolding before for our eyes. And a recent House.
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  Speaker 5: Committee report on the incident came out and said there
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  Speaker 5: were cascading failures that led up to the assassination attempt,
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  Speaker 5: but just to jug your memory on what happened on
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  Speaker 5: that day, check this out the world.
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  Speaker 1: It happened, and look what happened.
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  Speaker 7: To our country, probably twenty million people.
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  Speaker 1: And you know that's a little bit old that.
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  Speaker 2: You are.
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  Speaker 6: Absolutely terrifying.
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  Speaker 5: And when you look at the direction the bullet was
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  Speaker 5: traveling in, Trump just turned his head at that final moment,
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  Speaker 5: which meant the bullet just grazed his ear instead of
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  Speaker 5: going into his head. I think, I mean, you look
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  Speaker 5: at that, and I don't know how you can think
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  Speaker 5: about that in any other way than a true miracle
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  Speaker 5: or just sheer good luck.
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  Speaker 6: But here was Trump crediting it all to God.
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  Speaker 7: God was protecting me, maybe because God wanted to see
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  Speaker 7: our country is better or do really well make America
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  Speaker 7: great again. It's a little bit of a dangerous profession
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  Speaker 7: being president ly, but I really don't like to think
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  Speaker 7: about it too much.
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  Speaker 5: It is a miracle, thote how someone managed to evade
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  Speaker 5: the Secret Service on the rooftop for forty five minutes
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  Speaker 5: and then get a clear shot on the future president
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  Speaker 5: of the United States.
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  Speaker 1: You still can't convince me that there wasn't something dodgy.
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  Speaker 2: Going on there. It is. There is so many things
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  Speaker 2: went wrong on that day, and I know that nine
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  Speaker 2: times out of ten it's the cockup, not the conspiracy.
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  Speaker 2: But my god, like it was the cockup of all cocker.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, look it was. I mean JFK was a pretty
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  Speaker 4: big cock up as well. But but yeah, it is
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  Speaker 4: a cock up. I don't think there was any conspiracy
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  Speaker 4: because if it was a conspiracy, quite frankly, they would
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  Speaker 4: have done it better. It was such theres there's no
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  Speaker 4: way there. You've got to do something to at least
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  Speaker 4: there's no way this guy should have been able to
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  Speaker 4: should have been able to get it. And even even
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  Speaker 4: like the people at the rally, standing like completely without
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  Speaker 4: any cover, without any protection at all, in an open field,
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  Speaker 4: on the open ground and clear line of sight from
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  Speaker 4: the shooting gup there he is there is right there
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  Speaker 4: on that roof. I can see it after I can
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  Speaker 4: see it on that roof and they're just standing there
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  Speaker 4: where and the guy could just spin around and take
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  Speaker 4: them out in a second, and then standing there and
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  Speaker 4: trying to draw people's attention to it. It is just
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  Speaker 4: nut stuff. But I think the most extraordinary thing about
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  Speaker 4: it is that Donald Trump, even after that first shot
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  Speaker 4: hits his ear, he remained standing. And then a year
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  Speaker 4: later he's surrounded by people who hit the turf even
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  Speaker 4: without any assassination attempt, just for the freeze.
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  Speaker 2: And I remember you and I were on here that night, Joe,
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  Speaker 2: after that assassination attempt, and I remember saying that evening
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  Speaker 2: that I felt like it wasn't just Donald Trump that
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  Speaker 2: was saved on that day, It was the entirety of America.
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  Speaker 2: Because can you imagine if he had been shot and assassinated,
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  Speaker 2: it would.
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  Speaker 4: Have been it would have been on the streets of him.
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  Speaker 4: It would have been January six times, blacks matter.
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  Speaker 1: It would have it just would have been. You would
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  Speaker 1: never have seen a new story like it in your lifetime.
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  Speaker 2: But how amazing to think that was such a pivotal
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  Speaker 2: moment really in the the future course of not only
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  Speaker 2: the United States, but the rest of the world. And
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  Speaker 2: here we are a year later with Trump still standing,
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  Speaker 2: his president again.
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  Speaker 1: E all ended in trade tariffs, but.
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  Speaker 5: You know, yeah, and everything that Trump's achieved in the
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  Speaker 5: you know, cracking down on illegal immigration, posting a budget surplus,
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  Speaker 5: thanks to the tariffs, rebuilding the American economy, ending the
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  Speaker 5: Twelve Day War with Iran. I mean, so much has
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  Speaker 5: been achieved in the last year and to think that
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  Speaker 5: it all hinged on that one fateful moment.
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  Speaker 6: But interestingly, we still don't.
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  Speaker 5: Know the motives of the would be assassins, so it
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  Speaker 5: does leave this question mark over what was it all for?
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  Speaker 1: And we probably even know.
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  Speaker 4: But the thing is, I mean, just to go back
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: to the conspiracy and cock up thing, like with all
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: these assassins like John Wilke's birth Lee, Harvey Oswald, the
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: guy who went after Trump, they're all just losers. Like
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: they think, they think they're these great revolutions. They have
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: these delusions of grandeur that they've got this great place
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: in history. Invariably, at least in all those cases, they're
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: wash ups. They're drunks. They can't hold down a job,
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: they can't hold down a relationship. They're just kind of
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: pathetic people who can't actually do anything worthwhile in the
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: world and can't actually they don't have any skills or
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: talents to be remembered for, and so they just think, oh, well,
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: I'll just try to kill the president. And so that's
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: what it is, so there is no grand overarching conspiracy
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: apart from, of course the Deep State and CIA, And.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: Of course we've been wondering when it comes to Trump.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: You know, when is the Prime Minister Anthony Albert He's
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: he going to get a meeting with him, and he
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: started to think, Jesus, it must be so difficult to
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: get meetings with Donald Trump because it's just not happening.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: Apparently you just have to pick up the blower. Because
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: King Charles has said to mister Trump, but would you
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: like to come over to the UK for a state visit?
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: And these things are not common occurrencies, and Trump said absolutely,
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: I'd love to come to the UK for a state visit.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: He'll be going there for three days in September. So
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: all the King has to do is say, mister Trump,
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: I want to come over and have a look rend
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: no problem. I mean, why doesn't at the Albanesi just
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: get on the face come to Australia. He is the king.
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: It's not anyone picking up the phone of England ahead of.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: He's also the King of Australia.
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: But it's a creme big deal.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: King's not doing any actual business.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: When it comes to the running of anything. Why doesn't
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: on the phone and say come and have a state
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: visit to Australia.
• 19:25
  Speaker 6: Well, this narrative that maybe it's just an Albanese he
• 19:28
  Speaker 6: can't get a meeting with Trump. I think that was
• 19:29
  Speaker 6: shattered when.
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: The Liberian president got a meeting with Trump in the
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: White House the other day and Trump complimented him on
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: his English.
• 19:37
  Speaker 6: I mean, everyone is getting a meeting with Trump.
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: I think it's pretty clear at this point that either
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: the administration is refusing to accept a meeting from Australia
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: or we are too scared to attend a meeting with Trump.
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: It's one or the other. It's not that they can't
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: secure a meeting, but also in the UK Will Trump
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: might be heading there in a couple of months. There's
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: a gym that has come under fire for banning women
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: over the age of twenty four from working out during
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: peak hour.
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: On a victory for common Sense.
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: One outraged customer.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Took to you, Joe, when you go to the gym?
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: I took them an online forum and said, am I
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: being reasonable?
• 20:19
  Speaker 6: Here? Is this absurd? Is it just me? Why are women.
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: Over the age of twenty four being banned from a gym?
• 20:26
  Speaker 6: During peak hour.
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: Now, some people said, maybe it's because they want to
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: create this influencer culture. They just want everyone to be
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: young and good looking and attractive. But to me it
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: seems a little ages.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: You think, how so, maybe it is, But so what
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: if you don't like.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: It, go to another gym.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: Surely it's the gym owner's right to he or she
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: to say that he wants certain people or not in
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: their establishment.
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: I don't think it is. I think certainly under Australian
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: law you wouldn't be able to do that.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Well, I think that's rabbi.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: I think you should be able to say I don't
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: like the look of your.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: You can't come in here.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: Why why can't you, as a as an owner of
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: a venue decide the client till that you cater to.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: And you go to pubs and clubs, and that says
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: on the door no visible tattoos.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: That's just the rules of entry.
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but it doesn't say as long as you fulfill
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: all the other requirements. So you can't say no blacks,
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: you can't say no women, You can't say so as
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: long as someone you can say no shoes, no service,
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: but as long as someone's complying if.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: You if you tried on no blacks in my gym,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: you'd be run out of town.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: You would not have a business.
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: And so.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: People are still going to this gym. I don't see
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: what the issue is. Go to another gym.
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: But I mean it's like, could you say, no fat
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: people at the gym, And I'm only.
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: They're the ones who need the gym the bus. So
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: the twenty four year olds, they're fine. Those are partying.
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: This just seems so bizarre.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: But anyway, look, if that's your business model, I think
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: it's stupid.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: But the good luck to you.
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: As far as I'm contenting, might I'm leaving the shore
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: to go and start a gym.
• 22:04
  Speaker 6: Twenty four year old the women only hot chicks.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: That's it, only hot chicks.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: When Joe's in the gym, desperate hot chicks.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: I might have the same rule for myself, except I've
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: never been in the gym. I know you're terribly surprised
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: about that. My exercises are are exercises with a glass
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: of wine in hand. While we're talking about business models
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: and the UK, you would have thought, after the experience
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: that we had in Australia with illegal boat arrivals and
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: we worked out that the way to fix that was
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: to turn the boats back, and Tony Abbott did that
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: very effectively, and of course it then became the.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Policy of the Labor Party because it works that they'd
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: be able to do that kind of thing. Over in
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: the United Kingdom, it doesn't seem that they're able to.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: They've had record numbers of illegal migrants coming over from
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: the European mainland this year. I mean that twenty two,
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: three hundred and sixty so far this year, last month alone,
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: this month, sorry, just so far this month, and three
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: hundred and seventy eight asylum seekers have arrived in the UK.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: And this fundamentally is happening extra ones at the moment
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: because it's summer and so it's warm and so the
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: conditions are better, so they're all making a mad.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Scramble over there.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: But the people smugglers are doing summer deals to get
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: more of them across the channel, as though it was
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: some sort of package holiday to Benador or something.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, how good.
• 23:24
  Speaker 6: It's absurd.
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: And they're also targeting different ethnic groups with this summer
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: sale for crossing the English Channel. But when you look
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: at these images, it's largely young men racing across the channel.
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: It really is very disturbing. Nigel Farage was actually at
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: the English Channel the other day and he exposed the
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: fraud that is going on.
• 23:47
  Speaker 8: Dinghy has left the French beaches, have been escorted over
• 23:50
  Speaker 8: with the French Navy, and if we turn around we
• 23:52
  Speaker 8: can see the Border Force vessel and he's now waiting
• 23:55
  Speaker 8: on the twelve mile line for and.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: Bear in mind we've given the eight hundred million quid
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: since twenty fourteen. It's interesting we were literally watching one
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: government politely handing over to another government.
• 24:09
  Speaker 8: Seventy eight people on that.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: Rib, one woman, three kids, and seventy four young adult
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: males whose identity we do not know. If this is
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: not a national security emergency, I don't know what is.
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: So they get escorted across the channel by the French
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: Navy and then they get dropped off to English border
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: patrol who takes them the rest of the way. This
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: is hardly even illegal crossing. This is basically government escort,
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: government guided passage.
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: It's truly truber on the high seite.
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and so illegal migrant crossings of the channel are
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: up fifty seven percent even just on last year. Now,
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: Starmer said he would do something about the boats. But
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: the problem is only getting worse.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, you essentially facilla tating the invasion of your
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: country and you're allowing it to happen. Looking at the
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: United States and what a massive issue border control was
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: in the presidential election, like it is, it was the
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: top thing will beyond cost of living, which was number one,
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: as it's been number one everywhere. Number two even for
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Democrats was the border. How Hastarma not looked at that
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: and gone, we need to stop this now?
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you do have to stop. And the problem is
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: that once you let it start, it is incredibly difficult
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: to stop. And this is something that people on the
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: left have labored under. It's a misapprehension that I years
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: ago labored under this idea that you're somehow doing something
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: progressive or humanitarian by having open borders. It does the
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: exact opposite. What it does is it prioritizes people who
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: are rich enough and fit enough, yes, to be able
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: to make the dangerous journey and survive and claim that there.
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: And that is overwhelmingly, as our friend not Frage said,
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: overwhelmingly young men, which leaves women and children back in
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: the home country or refugee camp still facing persecution if
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: we are to believe that they are legitimate asilence seekers
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: but without a breadwinner, without anyone to provide for them.
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: You know, most evil dictators ships that these people are
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: fleeing do not have hugely generous welfare programs for single mums.
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: It might surprise people to learn, so you're actually doing
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: the worst possible thing. And then if these people are
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: taking an official quota, are set quota as they do
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: in Australia of your humanitarian intake as a proportion of
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: your overall migrant margrant intake, then that means that every
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: single visa they get is one you are not getting
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: through the official UN program for you know, women and
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: children who would normally be prioritized because they're more vulnerable,
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: who are languishing in you know, refugee camps in Lebanon
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: or Jordan or wherever. With the last Syrian refugee crisis
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: is said, you have other people who aren't even coming
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: from those kind of war zones. It might be coming
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: from somewhere like Sri Lanka, which was a really big
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: intake number, but that's not what people have in their
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: heads exactly.
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: So one of the largest countries that people are coming
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: from is Vietnam. I'm sorry, like, you're not fleeing conflicts
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: in Vietnam.
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: Popular tourist go.
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: To Vietnam on holidays every year, and so I think,
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: I mean, there are a few legal challenges. Of course,
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: they're still in the European Commission on Human Rights, which
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: is limiting.
• 27:27
  Speaker 6: What they can do.
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: But I think if they really wanted to tackle this,
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: they should just cut all subsidies and funding to new
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: migrant arrivals. That would definitely disincentivize people from trying to
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: cross the channel.
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Well, once you've got control lost control of your borders,
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: you've lost control of your country.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: It's as simple as that.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Now, I don't know what was going on here last
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: week when I was way, I was down in Tazzy
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: having a wonderful time. But I'm back this week, which
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: means we've got to do some council runs, you know
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: how much I love them. Great one out of Adelaide
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: in the advertiser today about it church called Lifehouse Church.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Which is in the in a.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Northern suburbs of Adelaide in lights you it's been there
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: since two thousand and two, which was long before most
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: of the development in that area started, So this church
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: was there before most of the houses around it were built,
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: which I think is always pertinent in these stories. But
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: two residents had complained about the terrible noise the din
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: coming out of this church, particularly on Friday nights when the.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Youth group got together on a youth graprade music and stuff.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: One of the residents anonymously told the paper that they
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: were going wild in there. I mean, you can imagine
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: the wild things going on in this happy clap of
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: church on a Friday night. But the council went, Okay,
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: we better go and investigate these claims. They were investigating
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: between twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three, and then
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: worked out that under the law available to them they
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: couldn't actually do anything about noise being amplified out of churches.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: So they went and asked for the law to be changed,
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: and it was. There was a change of the Low
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Nuisance and Little Control Act so that the council could
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: properly investigate and make decisions about the noise coming out
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: of the church. So they reopened the investigation in October
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: last year, continued it all the.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Way through to May twenty five.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: This year had ten separate inspections by seven different council officers.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: A total of thirteen hours they spent at this church
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: trying to work out whether there was too much noise
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: coming out of it. Plus the Council said many other
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: hours of work, including evidence gathering and reviewing information, and
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: after all of that they found there wasn't too much
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: noise coming out.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Well what are we paying these people?
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: I love this story? So I just want to know, like,
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: what did the investigation look like like? Were these guys
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: working undercover? Were they like pretending to be you know,
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: born again Baptist Hillsong acolytes who were like you know
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: that they have the robes and the big watches, and
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: they'd go along and you know, the nice press shirts
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: and you know, and going pretend to be oh yeah, yeah,
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: I just want to get saved. I imagine this as
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: kind of like twenty one Jump Street Fair Hillsop for
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: the Pentecostals. It's just I just love it so much.
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: I imagine Hansen and you know all the gain there, dear, but.
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: The fact that this was all driven by two complainants, and.
• 30:21
  Speaker 6: You think about the thousands.
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: Of dollars This would have cost the council in labor,
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: in time in legal counsel changing the state laws, or
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: to investigate this church that existed long before any of
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: the surrounding houses. If you move into an area, you
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: have Google Maps, you can see if there are any
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: churches already there. You do not have the right to
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: then tell them to shut up. But one thing I
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: will say is if you've heard any church youth fans,
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: that is the only thing I sympathize.
• 30:53
  Speaker 6: With the players about some of them, you do want
• 30:58
  Speaker 6: to turn them of.
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: Generally, I'm all for churches playing their music happy clappy
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: as one.
• 31:04
  Speaker 6: As they watch.
• 31:04
  Speaker 9: Surely, if you're going to live next door to any
• 31:07
  Speaker 9: gang of us, yes, the least worst would be a
• 31:11
  Speaker 9: gang of born again Christians singing in the church band.
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: Would you like that? Would you like the methods? You know,
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: at least the money is still in the ashtray of
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: your car.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Being around the Northland shopping scenes over in Melbourne. And
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: the other council story that popped up today that I
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: saw was a council in Melbourne, wile we're talking about
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Melbourne Hume Council that wants the ability to be able
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: to basically break into people's houses if they think there's
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: a dangerous dog in there and take the dog away
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: by force, because at the moment that they had two
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: cases of quite serious attacks in the Human Council and
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: of course jurisdiction over animals is in the hands of councils.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: But if they want to go and seize a dangerous dog,
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: they have to get the police involved unless the owners
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: willing to hand it over. If they want to go
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: and take the dog forcibly from the house, they have
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: to get the police involved in So the council is saying, well,
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: sometimes this takes far too long. If we've just had
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: an attack happened and we think this dog needs to
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: be detained now, we can't wait for the coppers to
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: come around tomorrow.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: We want to go and get it now.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: And I think fair enough. If you've got a dangerous
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: dog on the loose or doing dangerous things and the
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: owner won't cooperate, the council ought to have the power
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: to go and seize it.
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: Well, yes they should have the power, but do we
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: really think the council is going to be more competent.
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: And the owner is refusing to hand it over after
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: it's just eating a child. I would probably wait for
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: the police. I would probably just exactly.
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: And I mean, do we really think the local council Workers'
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: union is going to let their council rangers go in
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: completely unprotected to wrangle dangerous dogs.
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: I think totally.
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: They should have the power to and if any council
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: officers want to, I think that'd be a great use
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: of ratepayers money. Betting so you spend they often do.
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: But I really don't see how this would work out.
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: But one thing that is quite sad about this is
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: in the last year there have been apparently two thousand
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: dog attacks on Australian post workers. And here's an image
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: I should warn you before we put this up on
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: the screening. This is an image of a postman's foot
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: that was molded by a dangerous dog.
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: So this is dangerous.
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: It does lead to serious injuries and hospitalizations. But I
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: really can't see council officers being the ads.
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: You know what they should do. They should get the
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: council officers that infiltrated the Lifehouse, Baptist.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Church and Adelaide.
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: They are the ones boys. We've got a new assignment
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: for you to some pin hole I actually love this line.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: When I was a court reporter rein Adelaide, I covered
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: this story once. It just happened upon it happened to
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: be sitting in the courtroom one day.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: When it happened.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: It was a civil trial over a dog that the
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: local council wanted to be seized, and they said the
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: owners couldn't have it, et cetera, because it had bit
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: a postman, bitten a postman. And then the owners came
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: into court and this postman gets up on the stand
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: and the owners are accusing him of having it been
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: getter against all dogs and that he fabricated this story
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: about the dog bite in me because he wanted their
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: dog dead. I mean, I know people get, you know,
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: really ansty about their dogs and they think their dogs
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: are children and all this sort of garbage. But you know,
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: if you're a dog owner who's not willing to look
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: after your dog, it should be taken.
• 34:38
  Speaker 6: And that's the key point.
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: If your dog is that aggressive that they're causing harm
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: to other people, you're probably not looking after them very well.
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: So then don't cry when you're disciplined for it. But
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: in another interesting local council although this is actually transport.
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: For New South Wales, they've gone a bit loopy on
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: bike lanes as well. They're trying to make a section
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: of the temporary bike lane in the Inner West permanent,
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: much to the outrage of locals, even the local Greens.
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: MP Kobe Shaddy.
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: Now the outrage is because the temporary bike lanes are great.
• 35:13
  Speaker 6: And all, but you have to merge back into the.
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: Traffic at four separate points along the route. And now
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: all this does is what is the point of having
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: a bike lane If you still have to get onto
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: the road. It kind of defeats the point of a
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: bike lane. And this is the problem. I am happy
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: to have bike lanes as long as you commit to
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: having actual bike lanes. If it's only a bike lane
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: for a couple meters, then you're back on the road.
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: Then you're back on the bike lane. At that point,
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: just ditch the bike lane and add an extra lane
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: of traffic.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: And if it's the answer, don't have the bike lane,
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Just give the lane back to the traffic.
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: So we feel about bikelines the same way we feel
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: about trans people just make a decision and stick to it.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: So I don't know.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: In Adelaide they have on all the main roads bike lanes,
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: but they're not separated bike lane.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: There is a line.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: Of paint painted on the side of every main road,
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: basically in Adelaide.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: That says on this side that the bikes can ride.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: I don't know why we just can't do that everywhere
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: if we have to build all these bollards and things
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: around the place. I don't hear of any more people
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: getting a run over in Adelaide on bikes than they
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: do anywhere else.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: It seems a pretty simple answer to me. After the break,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: we'll get into the papers.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: People refusing, parents refusing to let their kids work with
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: men in childcare sins now and of course that horrific
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: case down in Melbourne will tell you about it more.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: Plenty of other papers up of its a little bit
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: of breaking news.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump, of course, the President of the United States,
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: maybe giving a press conference shortly about sending.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: Missiles to Ukraine.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: If we have any further on that, we will dip
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: into that and show you. In the meantime, let's get
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: into tomorrow's papers. On the front of the Daily Telegraph,
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: it says parents ban men, families refuse male childcare workers
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: for their kids, exclusive from Suzanne Giuliani, excellent journo at
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: the Daily Telegraph. She says Sydney parents are refusing to
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: let male childcare workers look after their children following explosive
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: reports about lack of safety and security checks in the
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: early childhood sector.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: The Daily Telegraph is aware of at.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: Least three centers where managers have received up to half
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: a dozen emails from parents demanding their children be cared
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: for only by female workers, which includes nappy changes, toileting
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: and dressing. It comes after several recent sexual abuse charges
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: against male childcare workers in Sydney and Melbourne. And I
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: suppose I half understand the knee jerk reaction from parents here.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: But if the message that is now being sent is
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: that men basically aren't welcome in childcare, you're suggesting that
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: every man is a pedphiler, a potential peterphile.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Why would you want to be a man in this situation.
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's really high, and you know you have to
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: sympathize for these parents. Though there's one new investigation into
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: serious abuse being started every single day in New South
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: Wales and another one being started in Victoria. Like it
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: is rampant. That's huge. So yeah, I get the reaction.
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: But even when I was training to be a kid's
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: church worker my church, the rule was always two pairs
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: of eyes on a child at any one time. I
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: even as like a fifteen year old girl wasn't allowed
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: to walk a six year old to the bathroom by myself.
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: I always had to be accompanied by someone else. I
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: don't understand how there could be such systemic failure to
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: just implement basic child protection protocols.
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know, and clearly there's been a massive
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: process failure, but it is incredibly simplistic and wrong and
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: actually exacerbates the problem to say that the answer is
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: to ban or bend from childcare, or to command that
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: your child doesn't get seen by any men who happen
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: to work there. I can't even imagine all the childcare
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: centers I've seen how you get any privacy at all.
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: Possibly they are completely overrun. But you've got to make
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: sure you're doing the right thing. Forcing men out of
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: the system will only exacerbate what is already a massive
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: shortage of childcare workers, and that is one of the
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: drivers why. And there been reports of this, not necessarily
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: with the just the sex ab you stuff, but with
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: failing to be able to maintain staff to student ratios,
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: which obviously means that you don't always have those two
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: pairs of eyes, failing to make sure all these checks
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: and balances are ticked, make sure that proper background checks
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: are done. If you have fewer and fewer people, you
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: make people more and more desperate for other workers. That
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: means you're more prepared to take people you won't you'll
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: think you'll fall through.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: And also it deprives children of interactions with men, which
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: is so important for them. And it's also to suggest
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: that it's always mean and know that men are statistically
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: more likely to commit sexual abuse than women are. But
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: it's not just sexual abuse of children that goes on
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: in childcare centers. It's physical abuse, verbal abuse, all all
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: of these sorts of things that.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Women also can. So just say, oh, we'll just get
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: rid of the men.
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: It does just ban all childcare work workers because all
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: of them could corne.
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: Well, we used to live behind a childcare center and
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: you would hear childcare workers screaming at these poor children
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: all day.
• 40:27
  Speaker 6: It was actually horrible.
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: We submitted complaints about it because you felt bad for
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: the children.
• 40:31
  Speaker 6: So yeah, it's not just managed.
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: At least they weren't singing in the church.
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, at least they weren't singing exactly well.
• 40:36
  Speaker 6: Moving on to the advertiser.
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: Now, the headline is docs want stab vest. Doctors confronting
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: soaring violence and emergency departments, including in one case, fears
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: of mass shooting, are demanding stab vest. There were twenty
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: three reports of assault against staff at Flinder's Medical Center
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: and a Ruler hospital in the last long no longer
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: local knowledge last twelve weeks. Now, that's shocking that it's
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: bad enough that they actually want stab best. I know,
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: working in an emergency department sounds absolutely chaotic from the
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: friends I have that are nurses and doctors. I mean,
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: you never know who's coming in or what their condition is.
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: But seriously, I think we're letting our doctors down if
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: they feel the need to wear stab best, and you.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: Can't really blame them.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: One of these doctors is suggesting saying that an elderly
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: patient lunged for a police security officer's gun. I mean,
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: you would feel terribly vulnerable in those situations. Has a
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: doctor working in emergency departments or whatever.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: You work to the.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Bone and then you're worried about your own safety given
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: the best.
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's a huge and you have like emergency
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: departments are out there. There was a massive epidemic in
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: Sydney of violence in ed Wards and again they're overrun
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: over the weekend. They're overrun with mental health patients all
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: the time, and then at the weekend you've got people
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: who are pissed or on drugs or done something stupid.
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: If you don't have enough resources, you've got all these
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: people crammed into a small space for hours and hours
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: and hours on end. So again I can understand why
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: they'd want stab vest, but that won't fix the problem.
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: What you actually have to do is make sure you've
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: got the proper processes so you're not creating this tinder
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: box anyway. Speaking of tinder boxes, the Herald stan has
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: got a fantastic not in a good way front page
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: inflaming hate as we wait, It says fuel on fire
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: and you would have seen this earlier in the night.
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: Sinister video threat as Minister behind hate laws still can't
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: tell us if anti Jewish death chant is a crime,
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: it says. The sickening video has emerged of an anti
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: Israel activist inciting fire bollowings. As senior labor minister and
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: architect of Victoria hate speech laws, Jacqueline Simes says she
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: is still unsure whether death to the idea, God help us,
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: death to the idef chance would constitute a criminal offense
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: under the LEDGIS. It comes as the OL government's faces
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: legal action over its failure to stem the dangerous rise
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: of anti Semitism in Victoria after multiple attacks on Jewish
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: buildings and businesses. So if anyone hasn't seen it, this
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: is this moronic self appointed you know, radical revolution guaranteed.
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: This is one of the guys who reckons he's going
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: to spark the revolution for a new socialist utopia. It's
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: almost I mean, it's terrifying because it comes after he
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: fired ONMS some cars, but he's bragging about, Oh, I
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: don't think this was just an accidental fire bombing of
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: the cars. We're really serious, do you know this is
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: the revolution? You know this is a revolution. These were
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: targeted attacks because we're so tough, and he's got the
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: little torrest straight eye on an Aboriginal flag with him,
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: just because he's really right. I kin'd of say on
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: behalf of first nations Australians, Mate, love your ambassadorship, love
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: your work. Really way to represent the first people of
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: this country. You're a really smart guy. And of course
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: and then he just starts reciting all these hashtags like free,
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: free power, and then then he says, you know, always was,
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: always will be. It's like this person is you know,
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: we spoke a lot about, you know, the mentally ill,
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: you know who can often court troubling. This person should
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: be in a hospital ward for the mentally ear. He's
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: just a douche.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: He's got the drab back.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: I would have thought if you're saying death to someone,
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: that's probably incitement to valas. Let's go to the front
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: of the Hobart Mercury tomorrow where it's his Bruce's restraining
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: order bid.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: Bruce Lehreman is back in the headlines.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: Former Liberal political staf of Bruce Leraman, who last month
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: pleaded not guilty in Hobart court to one count of
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: motor vehicle stealing, has launched a restraining order bid against
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: a Mainland journalist covering his time in Tasmania. Mirkri understands
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: that mister Lehreman, thirty, recently filed the application with the
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: Hobart Magistrate's Court, which has listed the matter to be
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: heard on Tuesday. It's understood the restraining order submission relates
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: to coverage mister Lehreman has been receiving in the Daily
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: Mail Australia.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, how good is that. I don't like what
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: the journal is writing about me. I'm going to take
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: out the restraining order.
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: These people be rapped for a mention in the Daily Mail.
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't know, but I don't know how he can
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: do that unless the report is actually stalking him and
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: harassing him, which I highly doubt. So tough enough, but
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: just quickly before we go in the Camera Times falling
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: short on recruits. The Australian Defense Force fell short of
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: staffing targets for uniform personnel by over three thy seven
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: hundred last year, with forecasts showing a shortfall of thousands
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: of troops before a crucial recruitment target is set for
• 45:27
  Speaker 5: the early twenty thirties. I mean, tell us something we
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: don't already know, but it's still depressing to remember it.
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Indeed, although finally the Camera Times got a good story,
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: So there's that.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: Anyway.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: We love you over there in Camera as long as
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: you're not a public servant giving my money back.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: Please after the break, Stephen.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: Miles reports, The former premier points, and how many people
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: do you reckon would pay on hundred and fifty dollars
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: of pop.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: To hear him give a speech?
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: If you see at less than twenty, you're right, I'll
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: tell you exactly how many out of this.
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: The former Queensland Premier Stephen Miles, he can be a
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: bit dreary at times.
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: That's very unkind Joe. You obviously haven't seen any of
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: his hilarious and yet edgy social media videos in which
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: he care ups, cares up agreements with the Comwealth government
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: in the middle of COVID and does other stuff. I'm
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: not sure, but anyway, one thing that does seem to
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: be hitting a bit of a wall. Dare I say? It?
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: Is ticket sales to his Hayden oration in Ipswich next month.
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: Ticket sales apparently haven't been particularly strong for Stephen Miles's address.
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: There are one hundred and forty tickets in the room,
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: one hundred and forty seats in the room, and I
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: would say, snap him up, guys. They're not going to last.
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: But inexplicably, just thirteen had been sold as of Friday.
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: And this is strange because often these big labor fundraisers,
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: you know, they might go for a thousand bucks a plate,
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: ten thousand dollars a table, something like that. Apparently these
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: are just one hundred and fifty per seat or one
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: thousand dollars for a table of ten. That is a bargain.
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: They should be flying off the shelves. But for reasons
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: I can only guess. I guess these people aren't on
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: social media. Maybe they're not on TikTok, but you just
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: can't move the units. Obviously. This the Fraser, the Phraser ration,
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: the Hayden narration is in honor of the former Opposition
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: leader Bill Hayden, former Queensland cop became Governor General and also,
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: fun fact, former communist, which you know, well that's right,
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: which you would think would be a natural fit for
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: a narration being given by a current communist. But maybe
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: some reason.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: It just maybe they don't want to rock up to
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: see the man laugh about youth crime.
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the absence of any reference to youth crime in
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: your speech to the Coinsland.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: Media would have been by more than a few, including
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: the people those communities premier. I'm sure you can.
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: See quality content. Why are they missing out?
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: He has one of the most annoying faces in Australian politics,
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: Like every time I see him, I just cringe.
• 48:13
  Speaker 6: But someone who does know.
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: How to make some money and give it away, apparently
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: is a man in Chicago who, as his final parting
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: gift to his community after his funeral, dropped five thousand
• 48:27
  Speaker 5: dollars worth of cash from a helicopter. It's everyone ground
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: to a halt on this busy motorway in sheer disbelief
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: at the actual money raining down from above them. I mean,
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: if you want to go out with a bang, that's
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: a pretty good way to do it.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: Look, I don't disagree. I would have liked to have
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: been on the line.
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: I'm going to say it. If you're going to afford
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: to go up in a helicopter and throw money out
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: of it, five grand is a piss weak amount. She's
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: a fellow.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: How about this woman in queens and she is a
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: state in Peak, not Stephen Miles, Janille Pool. She's the
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: Assistant Minister for Community Safety, Defense, Industry, Veterans and North Queensland,
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: and she's also a former copper, and she was talking
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: to some of her staff in her office recently when
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: she saw some other coppers running past the office pursuing
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: some juvenile offenders. So, without even thinking, she runs out
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: of her office and takes off after these young people.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: She manages to catch two girls while the coppers went
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: after another boy. I mean, she's an assistant minister, she's
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: made it into state politics and she's still rounding up
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: youth offenders.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: How good does it?
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: Absolute girl boss? God on, that's the feminism we like
• 49:38
  Speaker 5: to see
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: In both Ruth Crime and Stopping You start coming up
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: next to the Riddy Can Show.