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#191 - STAND (Part 2) Recognizing How the Enemy Works - With Special Guest David Jett · The OneCry Podcast

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  I think it's a humbling reality to know that even as a believer,
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  I am not impervious to attacks from the enemy.
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  Welcome to the One Cry Podcast, a nationwide call for spiritual awakening.
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  The goal, accelerating the movement of God through sharing revival truth, stories, and reports.
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  Well, welcome to the One Cry Podcast. I'm Kyle Reno, and I don't have Bill with me this time.
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  I got his buddy, though. I got David Jett, and I introduced him last week.
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  If you miss last week, here's my encouragement.
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  Stop watching this one, listen to this one, and go back.
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  I mean, you could obviously listen to it, but it will help you a little bit.
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  So, David Jett, when I came to know Christ, y'all have heard my story.
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  Several different times in different ways. I came to know Christ at 19.
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  The guy that discipled me was the guy he discipled and discipled me for two
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  years. And I got to know Brother David then.
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  And then it surrendered to ministry at 21 years old.
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  The guy that hired me is right here, called me and gave me a chance on staff. So it's his fault.
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  Anything that comes out of my ministry.
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  So just to catch us up a little bit, Brother David, last week,
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  You helped us understand a little bit more about the spiritual realm. Right.
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  Yeah. And specifically that the demonic is still going on in our day.
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  Right. Right. And then really helped us, though, to stop and say,
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  hey, before we go on a journey, in light of a book you just wrote.
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  Right. Called The Stand, soon to be coming out, and we'll let you know about it when it does.
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  Around just your story with the Lord. Right. And your ministry and how God's
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  allowed you to be a part of helping people in that battle.
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  But last week, just to give us that, because it's important to have that foundation,
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  all these truths and ways we understand is based out of God's word,
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  empowered by God's spirit, and comes first and foremost out of our passionate
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  pursuit of Jesus Christ.
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  But then, once all that is still real. Right.
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  You know, and so I think you helped us all recognize that we got some cultural
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  biases, things that inform the way we think.
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  So today, though, and I'm about to kick it to you today, maybe help people that
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  are starting to say, OK, obviously, I read the scripture and I see the demonic.
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  I live in a broken world and I see things that I wonder what's really going
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  on here. Maybe, if we're honest, we know we sense those things even in our own lives.
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  I'm feeling some opposition. Where is this coming from?
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  So maybe, and I know the grid, maybe share today with them just the grid to
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  help them sort of discern, is this demonic? Yeah. Yeah.
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  So I would just say that in ministry, you know, we have to understand the reality
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  that, you know, that there is a spirit world.
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  Right. And that we have an enemy who still has come to kill,
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  steal, and destroy. He's still in that business.
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  But we live in an authority as believers to stand not only against,
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  but to stand and overcome.
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  And so as we are walking in this world, we need to know that and need to understand that.
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  Now, one of the things, and I'll just say this to you that I've learned,
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  and I'll tell you some stories along the way that maybe try to help.
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  But I've learned this about the demonic world is they love staying in the dark.
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  But when you bring them into the light, they want to try to take center stage.
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  And so we have to keep our focus square on Jesus. But I would also say this,
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  that I've learned about the demonic world is one of their, I don't want to say,
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  one of their bluffs, I say, is they don't think you believe, really believe.
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  You know, Jesus had many times where people said they were standing in faith,
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  and then he said, oh, you of little faith, you know.
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  And so in it, they're going to check your faith in this reality of the spirit
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  world. And so it has to move from this intellectual understanding in just the
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  same way as salvation in some ways.
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  I mean, there are so many people that would call themselves a Christian mentally
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  because they agree with the information, but they've never experienced the transforming
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  work of the Holy Spirit dwelling in them.
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  Well, in a similar way, when it comes to the spirit world, that what God is
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  calling us to is to walk by a faith that not only agrees with the Word of God,
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  which we should, but also embraces it in our heart.
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  And so when it comes to the demonic world, they just want to see if you really
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  believe that. But here's what I've learned.
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  Once they know that I know.
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  That they know I have authority over them and that I know they are there and
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  they have no option but to leave.
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  They always leave. It's just an interesting thing from all different levels.
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  And so I would say that first. Another thing I would say along with it is many
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  times what we do is we think when we think about the demonic.
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  I found a lot of times we get probably more of our thoughts about the demonic
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  from Hollywood and from scary movies than we do from the Bible and from what
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  Scripture teaches. And so we come up with all these ideas about it.
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  And I can tell you that, I'll just give you an example.
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  There's a guy named Rick back years ago, came into my office.
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  And Rick was a young man. In fact, man, good looking young man,
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  just sharp, 25 years old, dressed well, works out, just a sharp guy. Came to see me.
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  His mom was active in our church, loved the Lord, and asked him to come because
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  he had a serious anger problem.
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  As a matter of fact, he was having to go to anger management kind of stuff. It was pretty bad.
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  And it was against his dad. And so he came to see me, and we began to talk.
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  And as we were talking along the way, I start sharing the gospel as I would.
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  He had never given his life to Christ. Man, I'm excited about this.
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  I'm getting ready. We're getting ready to pray.
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  And so I just believe that you must confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord
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  and believe in your heart that God raised you from the dead. You'll be saved.
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  I mean, we believe that. And so I believe it's important to confess repentance,
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  to repent, and to confess Christ as Lord of your life.
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  And so I said, so, okay, Rick, now listen, God's looking at your heart.
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  I can still remember him there.
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  And he's, I mean, he's, yes, I'm going to do this.
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  And so I say, Rick, I said, just tell the Lord.
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  Just say, Lord Jesus, I know that I'm a sinner. I just kind of went down that
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  road to help him. I said, do you say it in your own heart? And he just sat there.
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  He didn't say nothing. Yeah. Well, of course, everything runs through your head.
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  I'm thinking, well. He didn't understand.
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  Yeah, he didn't understand the question. Rick, hey, because I think it's important
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  to confess it. And so I said, Rick, I said, look, God's looking at your heart.
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  But if you want to pray it a different way, just start saying,
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  Lord Jesus, and then however you want to say it.
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  And he sat there again, didn't say anything.
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  Well, now I'm kind of thinking, okay. What's going on here? Yes,
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  he's crawfishing on me here at this point.
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  And i'll never forget what he said now we
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  had not had any conversation to this point about anything demonic and i say
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  rick what's going on buddy and he says and he starts shaking now this is sharp
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  good put together guy yeah and he starts shaking and says he won't let me hmm.
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  I changed our conversation. I got my hand on him, and all of a sudden,
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  I just said, well, who won't let you?
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  And he just shook his head when he said, Satan, I guess.
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  And with that, I mean, I had to come against the spirit to break that,
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  that literally the anger inside of him had built literally a demonic stronghold.
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  And so when we come to the scriptures, I've just kind of, and this way I do
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  it, I break it down as far as when it comes to the demonic.
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  When I'm talking with somebody and they start sharing with me some issues that
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  are going on, maybe some struggles in their life, I want to go and try to,
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  and I've just, over the years, I've done this a long time.
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  And kind of divided them out into four, what I call stages of the demonic that
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  I've seen in people's life, the structure of the struggles in their lives,
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  even in our own personal lives. You can see it.
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  And so the first, I just call the first stage is I call enticement.
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  And if you want to call it something, it's basically temptation that enticement
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  we find in, it comes out of James 1.14,
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  says that the Bible talks about that when we are lured and enticed, by our own desire.
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  So what Satan wants to do is he wants to entice us into falling into some kind
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  of sin, to giving over to some kind of sin.
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  And the reality is everybody has that happen.
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  We all have that. We live in a fallen world, and we all have those issues.
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  It has no means whatsoever to mean that you've got a demon or anything.
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  But what it does mean is that Satan's going somewhere with this.
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  And even on in James 1.15, he continues that to where ultimately it leads to death is what he says.
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  So I call it stage one is enticement that we have to understand. We live in that.
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  The second stage, if we continue what Satan wants, he, as I'll say, once he...
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  Sets the hook and starts luring us in through whatever it is,
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  he doesn't want to finish there, but he wants to take it on farther.
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  And if he continues in this, he'll get it to a point in the second stage I call is entanglement.
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  And it's just, think about it.
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  The verse I use out of it is Hebrews 12, 1 says, Since we're surrounded by such
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  a great cloud of witnesses,
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  let us throw off every sin and every hindrance and the sin which so easily entangles.
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  And so the picture I have in my mind and the way I teach it whenever I'm teaching
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  in Africa or teaching in a church or whatever is think about if, let's say,
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  me and let's say one of the Olympic 100-meter dash runners, we're going to get into a 100-meter dash.
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  And let's all be honest.
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  I don't like any chances. I don't stand a chance, but let's just say that when
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  we're standing at the starting line, before they, you know, shoot the gun and we take off.
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  Somebody walks over to this Olympic champion and begins tying ropes around his
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  legs all the way up to his hip.
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  Got rope just tied all the way around him. And now he's standing here.
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  And so then the gun goes off. Well, listen, I could walk. Yeah.
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  And would beat him. He's going to hop for a little bit. Yeah.
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  And here's what I would say whenever in your churches or even in your own life
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  to know if you've got, if there's an entanglement that the enemy may have on you.
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  Is it's not that you're not in the race anymore as a believer,
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  but you just slowed way down.
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  Suddenly the word of God is not, you don't have the hunger you had.
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  Suddenly you find yourself trying to find excuses to skip church or that what
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  happens is, and it's usually some type of sin or opening.
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  It can be anger like it was with Rick.
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  Something that is hindering your walk. And what I say in that,
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  the Bible actually, I believe, calls that a foothold.
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  And a foothold is, you know, Ephesians 4 talks about it, 26, 27, talks about that.
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  And it's in the word there is, for some of you to know this,
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  it's the Greek word topos, which means opportunity. It means place.
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  It means he has an area in our life that there's a hold on. Now,
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  I don't believe at that point you have a demon.
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  That's been my experience is that I've not seen that. But I believe that Satan
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  is carrying you. Yeah, he's working a plan.
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  And because, again, he's come to steal, kill, and destroy.
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  And so in that, if it continues and we continue giving into this and giving
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  over to this or continue to walk in this, this continues to have us,
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  what will happen is he begins to build what the Bible calls a stronghold.
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  And a stronghold, you just think about, I mean, I picture in my mind a castle.
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  And in a castle you get these big walls up
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  and you've got these tall towers in the corners and and inside it's full of
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  soldiers and all kind of things and the bible talks about that in that area
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  that's his goal is to build a stronghold or you know a fortress and so if we continue giving over.
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  To a sin over a period of time, what happens is it moves to what I call stage
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  three, and I call it entrapment.
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  And an entrapment is exactly what I've seen. It's a trap.
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  It's what you can think of. You imagine it in your mind.
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  And I use a verse I use with it is Proverbs 5.22, but it's about how a person
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  who is sinning is ensnared in that sin.
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  And so what happens is this is when a person wants to be free, but they can't get free.
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  So think about an animal caught in a trap.
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  It's pulling and tugging and trying to get away and doing everything it can,
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  crying out, screaming out, but it can't get away.
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  That's whenever it's developed into a stronghold. And in that,
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  that's where an enemy can come and go, can have access, and it can be any levels there of that.
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  And so that's that level. And I have met many Christians in that level.
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  Some, and here's what I would say to some of us out there, it could be from
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  their past that they allowed themselves to be given over to some things.
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  Or it could be something that happened traumatic to them that literally the
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  enemy built a stronghold.
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  And obviously they can be delivered from it.
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  That's the great thing. And so I would say that of all the demonic things I've
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  worked in, and I've been in hundreds of them over the years,
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  I would say 95% are in that top, those three.
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  But there's a fourth level. And this is a level whenever we think about,
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  you know, demonization, this is the level we think about. And I call it enslavement.
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  And that is when a person has become a slave to that thing.
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  It has control. It's where a demon has control of them and is guiding them.
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  Now, I don't believe a Christian can be there because of an ownership issue.
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  I believe you can have a demon back here and be a believer. Yeah.
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  And I've seen it many times. But here, I would say only an unbeliever,
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  and I've seen many in this,
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  yet just gloriously delivered, set free, saved, and begin to walk with God.
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  But as you're thinking about these things, maybe in your family,
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  maybe in your church, maybe you're talking with somebody and they begin talking
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  about some things that they want to try to get away from and they're trying.
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  I had a guy years ago, he came, had been, he and I had been talking for years
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  about just a stronghold he had in his life.
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  And he wanted to be free from it. He didn't know what to do.
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  And it kept getting bad. And it was of a sexual nature.
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  It was just, he couldn't get away from the stronghold.
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  And he called me one morning. It was about seven in the morning.
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  And he's a good enough friend that I answered the phone. Right.
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  But I'll never forget, he said, David, I've lost everything.
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  And I mean, he was a positive, upbeat guy. I mean, if you met him,
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  you'd say, oh, man, he's just fun.
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  And man's man. But he was broken.
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  And I said, what do you mean? He said, I've fallen again. He said,
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  and I've lost my family. I've lost my kids. I've lost everything. And he was broken.
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  And in that moment, of course, I'm worried about him right at that moment. Okay, what's going on?
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  Really what's happening and he he was saying i'm good
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  i just you know i i just need
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  you to pray for me right now i need prayer
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  because he didn't know what was going to happen and so i
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  began to pray for him and this is exactly what happened as
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  i'm praying on the phone and i'm praying you know and what
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  doing and then i began to pray against this stronghold
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  yeah well as i began doing that he starts
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  and this may sound make
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  a little nervous but it happens yeah right is he started
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  it was like he was dry heaving right well i'm
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  listening and i've had that happen before right
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  and i said to him i said hey man are you okay and he goes yeah keep going keep
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  going something's leaving wow well then i start of course now i'm going i move
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  from just praying to warring against a spirit.
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  And I keep praying and he, this happens, you know, for probably three or four minutes. Right.
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  And I'll never forget the reason why. In fact, it's one of the stories I tell
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  in my book is, is he, he finally gets to this point.
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  And I hear this kind of this exhausted, ah, yeah.
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  And in it, I could tell that he had rolled over. He was face down,
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  and he was outside, and he was next to his swimming pool. Yeah.
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  He was outside. It was in the summer, and he's rolled over on his back, and he's laying there.
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  And I just go quiet. Yeah.
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  And everything gets quiet for about, it seemed like 10 minutes,
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  but it was about 30 seconds.
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  And then he says, look at how blue the sky is. Wow.
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  And I realized that it had always been blue and been beautiful.
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  But when you have been under the haze of a stronghold, man, it just,
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  it grips everything in you to where you can't see like you could.
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  And, you know, he was delivered, got set free, was able to get him into some serious help. Right.
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  So this is what I would say to us as well, is obviously for counseling and for
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  all those kind of helps and getting people in these help places,
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  removing the demon, I've always said, is the easy part.
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  Dealing with the shift and the will of man to begin living according to the
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  things of God, that's a work of God. And it's also a help people.
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  Yeah, they need help. Yeah, they need that discipling journey.
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  That's exactly right. They need deliverance and they need discipling. Yes.
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  And so, but with it, that's just what I found. You're walking along here and
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  you see these things and—.
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  You know yeah watch man i'm telling you just something about our listeners of
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  course i've been discipled by brother davis so i i know a lot of these things but the grid,
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  to understand this is for the first time i'm looking at those four stages here's
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  the reality that we got embraced biblically the enemy is working in all four
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  stages right so we and he is impacting people yes that even today right he's
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  going to entice right that's what he does he's a liar. He's scheming. He's luring.
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  He's got devices. He's got all these things that he's placing out there for us.
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  Now, if our flesh gives way to that enticement, it moves to a different level.
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  Now I'm having a hard time finding my way around.
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  And I'm telling you, the hindrance part makes me think. I think every believer,
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  if you will be honest, has walked in those moments where you know that you took a bite. Right.
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  Well, and I would say to anybody watching, let me tell you, with me personally.
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  So I have learned this about me. I'm not saying this is for everybody.
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  But I say it this way every morning, not just ever so often.
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  Every morning, I get up in the morning.
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  I sit down with God. I sit down and read the Bible to hear from God.
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  Right. But I do that for a cleansing part because I've said this to our church.
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  I've said, because when I miss a day with God, I feel it in here.
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  And I'm not being legalistic about it. I'm just being aware of the war.
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  And the fact that, you know, I mean, we all know this, you know,
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  how many pastors have we seen fall or seen trip up and it become public?
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  And it's so embarrassing to the church and to them and their family.
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  And I'm just like, you know what? I'm not even going to miss a day because I'm
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  going to walk with God, keep short accounts, trust that he's going to say this.
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  One of my prayers is search me today and just show me because in that for all
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  of us, we need to understand that enticement to sin is in this fallen world in which we live.
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  Now, what's helped me is that Satan enticed Jesus to sin.
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  He never gave into it, but the Bible says he was tempted in every way as us.
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  So we need to understand that being enticed to sin is not sin.
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  We know that. But the reality is when we, you know, if you think about fishing
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  and the lure that's brought, you know, that what may lure you may not lure me,
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  and what may lure me may not lure you. But you know what? Satan's a good fisherman.
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  And he knows what lures to use until he finds one we bite on.
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  Yeah. Now, when we do it, it doesn't mean we can't shake off.
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  Right. Because that's what the power of the Spirit does. Yeah.
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  But we got to embrace it. Right. We have to know. So I think it's a humbling
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  reality to know that even as a believer, I am not impervious to attacks from the enemy. Yeah.
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  You know what you said earlier, and maybe you can add a little to this.
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  In all this, faith matters.
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  Like really believing. Like you said, it's one thing.
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  I mean, even in our salvation, it's one thing to be aware of Christ.
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  You know intellectually right um being stimulated by the thoughts of christ
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  you know i've been around many people but that doesn't mean that you have believed
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  on right the lord jesus christ.
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  You know i think about that in light of our personal freedom but also in line
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  and i know we got a lot of spiritual leaders in light of helping others find
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  freedom right that we need to rightly believe around this right we need to we
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  need right for people's sake yeah you know so So maybe you encourage us, like,
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  how do you walk into that in ministry context, the belief for people? Yeah.
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  So I would just say this, and of course, this just came back to my mind.
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  You're sitting here talking about it.
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  He is Del Faisenfeld, whenever he came to our church all those years ago,
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  I will never forget something he said.
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  I knew that God had a call on my life in ministry, but I wasn't yet in ministry.
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  And he made a statement at our church in Oklahoma.
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  He said this. He said, I made a promise to God.
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  To never preach any farther down the road than I was living.
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  And I will never forget that. Because here's what I found a lot of pastors say,
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  well, we're to preach a standard.
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  Now, we may not be able to live it. And I completely disagree with that idea
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  because it's, as he said, but he said the message prepared in the life changes
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  lives. And that was what Dale said.
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  And so the statement I kind of make to our people here and I've made to our
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  staff And I've said many times is this idea is that we may not always live what
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  we profess, but we always live what we believe. So look at how you're living.
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  You know, you may say that, oh, man, I believe that there's a demonic world.
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  But am I living in such a way that I understand the reality of I'm not obsessed about it?
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  I just am aware of it. That's good. And when it comes to your church or when
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  it comes to your life group or in any group you're leading, it's not that you're
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  coming into this with, okay, who's got a demon today? You know, I don't do that. Right.
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  But you're coming in with a certain awareness that they are there.
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  I had a guy come see me a long time ago that he's in my office,
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  his marriage counseling I was doing, and he was a used car salesman.
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  And I had an old beat up car that was bad, needed a paint job.
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  I'll just say that, but I'm cheap.
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  And so as we're talking, he says, man, you ought to go downtown.
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  There's a place downtown. They got a deal going, 150 bucks. You can get a paint
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  job. Well, I'm sitting there thinking, what are they using, a roller and a paintbrush?
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  And he said, no. And he's a used car. He said, I'm telling you.
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  I said, I take cars down there all the time.
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  He says, as a matter of fact, if you get it repainted, get it painted white.
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  And I'm like, well, the car is a brown color.
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  He said, no, I'll get it painted white. He said, that's the most popular color.
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  And I thought, there's no way that's the most popular color.
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  I didn't believe that. Yeah.
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  But they had a deal going. Yeah, sure. So I call down there. I make an appointment.
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  And as I'm driving down, as I've always just, as I'm driving on interstate,
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  it was like, I don't know, somebody sent out an APB to everybody that owned a white car.
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  Every white car, every white truck. Yeah. It seemed like they were all on the
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  road with me. Now, here's what I had to walk away from that to realize.
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  There wasn't any more white cars. There always had been.
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  But I was aware there were white cars. Yeah. And I think when it comes to the
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  demonic, it's not that all of a sudden we see them everywhere,
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  but it's coming to the awareness that, hey, they're here.
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  And as we're aware of that, we see the white cars. Wow.
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  Wow. I tell you what, this is a perfect place for us to stop today because I
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  think the Spirit of God is probably speaking.
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  So I would encourage, one, you'll pick up the word and be made aware again.
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  And then let's go into our cities, our churches, our communities,
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  those who are ministering, and ask the Lord to just help make us aware.
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  As we passionately pursue Jesus through his word, by the power of the Spirit,
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  now knowing, I think, these stages that help us see how the enemy does work.
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  And then i want to encourage you to come back next week and and let brother
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  david through the word show us again so now knowing that hey what do we do when
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  we get to a point when we're ministering somebody one what do we do if we sense
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  that hey you know there's places that god wants,
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  there's a place of freedom right in my life personally because we don't want
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  all of us i tell i remember when the spirit of god helped me see everybody needs
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  freedom yes everybody needs freedom for maybe personally, but then also as we minister to people,
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  how do we help people find freedom?
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  But to sort of close us up, won't you lead our listeners, Brother Dave,
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  just to pray and ask the Lord to speak to them. Yeah. Come on.
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  Father, we come again thanking you for how good you are to us.
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  And again, Lord, I pray that every one of us here in this moment would come
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  to a greater awareness of the victory of the cross, the victory of the empty
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  tomb, the victory of the coming Holy Spirit dwelling in every believer.
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  I pray that would become a greater awareness than we've ever had before.
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  I pray, Father, that we would each see that we really spiritually and literally
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  are seated in the heavenlies, in the authority that Jesus has already won.
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  That no weapon the enemy forges against us can prosper.
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  Father, that we truly have that anointing of your presence and power on us.
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  And then, Father, I'm just going to ask, because I know I need this.
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  Would you just make us aware, as I would say, this way, lead us to see the white cars.
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  God, there's hurting people around us. And Lord, some of them, they've.
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  They've tried to get better. Some of them, they have gone to counseling.
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  They've tried to get free from whatever it is.
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  And Lord, maybe the problem is not just getting free from a stronghold,
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  but it's getting free from a spirit that is controlling that stronghold.
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  And so, Father, I pray that in that awareness, God, you would then guide us
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  through just the power of the victory that's been won to bring that victory
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  in the lives of hurting people.
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  We ask you to do this, Father, for your glory, for the advancement of your kingdom.
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  And we pray it in Jesus' name. Amen. Amen.
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  Well, listen, your time is precious. So thank you for giving us a few moments here.
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  Tune back in next week and we're
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  going to bring sort of bring it to close this conversation there's
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  so much more we'll let you know when the book's released
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  so you can find that and be able to read it and also if it's touched you today
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  and God's speaking to you and you want to even maybe have this conversation
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  to the podcast and we look forward to continuing this conversation next week.
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  Music.