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What Happened to Churches in Australia and America? (Replay) · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity, no topic, off limits.
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  And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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  Hey, guys, welcome to the show.
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  We're going across the pond for this one today to Australia.
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  We have got a brother, Dean Dwyer, and he served for over 20 years as pastor and president
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  of Iser Street Baptist Church in Toowoomba, Australia.
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  And you can go to the website if you want to check out Dean Iser Baptist Church dot com
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  Iser spelled E-I-S-E-R street.
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  Pastor Dean has been a co-founder of Sound the Alarms Ministries.
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  We're going to talk a little bit about that.
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  And that seeks to highlight how current events play into Bible prophecy.
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  The minister was formed in response to the craziness of COVID.
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  And everything that was perpetrated on Australian shores, we've saw that world wide pretty
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  much as well.
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  But now they've pivoted a little bit from being COVID focused to an overall ministry focused
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  on speaking the truth to a deceived culture.
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  Dean Dwyer, welcome to World View Matters, good to see you, brother.
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  Get out of the land down under.
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  How are you, David?
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  I'm doing great.
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  I know there's a time difference.
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  Thank you for waking up early with us.
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  I told you before we started, you can't tell.
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  So you must have had a good night's sleep.
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  So thank you, brother.
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  Yes, it's very early here.
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  But I said to my wife, if I was going to get out early for anything, it would be to
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  talk about God, Bible prophecy, and to talk to David Fioraza.
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  Oh, my goodness.
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  I'm, I'm, that's a pretty big list there that I'm hard on, so blessings, brother.
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  So yeah, let's tell a little bit about how we connected.
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  And I have been reading your articles for quite some time over at HarbingersDaily.com.
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  And you've got a page over there at HarbingersDaily and you put out some great articles.
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  We're going to get to some of those in another show with you because we're going to have
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  Dean back next week.
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  And we're going to talk to him again on a couple of his recent articles.
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  But Dean, share a little bit how we connected and just give our audience a little idea of
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  how we actually connected here.
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  Yeah, absolutely.
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  I mean, as I've said to you, David, you've been great for my ministry.
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  You've been edifying and I've appreciated that very much.
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  A couple of years ago when we all went through this crazy COVID period, there was a period
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  there where the Aussie Church was really languishing.
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  And we were copying a fair bit of heat from the public.
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  So a lot of the public in Australia, we're looking to the church, looking for leadership
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  because the Australian people were being tyrannised, they were just under the heavy
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  hand of government during that time.
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  So I was criticised on social media.
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  And so I thought, okay, now's the time to really reach out to like-minded people.
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  And I remember one day I was outgoing for a walk and I started to look further afield overseas
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  in terms of trying to find other people, like-minded people who could minister to me,
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  that could help me to surround me with other people who would be bold enough to stand up
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  until the truth of what's happening.
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  And so David, I came across your name, providentially, some would say by accident, but I say providentially.
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  And that was a wonderful thing.
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  Came across your name and I started listening to you and I thought, wow, this guy is fantastic.
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  He's speaking truth, he's speaking biblical truth, he's not afraid to tackle issues head
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  on.
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  And I started listening to you, started reading about you.
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  And my connection with Harbinger's Daily is actually as a result of you as well because
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  you spoke about Harbinger's.
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  And so I thought, wow, this is a great ministry.
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  So I started to read a lot of the material on Harbinger's Daily as well.
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  And you'd mentioned that you had just been made a trusted ministry at Harbinger's Daily.
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  And I thought, wow, is that open for everybody?
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  So I'd reached out to them and praise God, this is where the connection forms.
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  So David, I must thank you in person for being such an integral part of that connection
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  with Harbinger's Daily because they've been a great blessing for our church because
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  we've met so many people in Australia that read Harbinger's Daily that we've been able
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  to connect with in our local area.
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  Oh my goodness, I'm so thankful for them Steve shout out to Steve and Brianna and the
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  gang over there at Harbingers.
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  They operate out of Canada.
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  And so we kind of got three countries connecting here in the spirit, so to speak Dean.
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  I just want to share briefly, I was going through a time, I read around 2020 when the
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  COVID craziness was going on.
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  And I don't remember, how did I find out about Liberty pastors, LibertyPasters.com, Paul
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  Blair, Dan Fisher, Steve Smotherman, Trevor Loudon, Alex Newman, so many other pastors
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  and other speakers that were bold talking about globalism, talking about Bible prophecy,
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  talking about culture, talking about politics, moral issues that we've been told were political,
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  but there are moral issues friends like, anyway, I don't want to go down that road.
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  But I was feeling kind of like a lone ranger there, I think at the time I was an associate
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  pastor at a church.
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  And there weren't that many people in our area here that I could relate to.
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  Like you said, you were sharing earlier, you were going, wow, I wish I could find some
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  people, iron sharpens iron, right?
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  Absolutely.
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  And we are like-minded, kindred spirits.
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  And when I went to that conference, it just was a catalyst in my life.
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  And I wrote about it in one of the chapters in my book, my book, my previous book,
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  Hanson and Christianity.
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  But Dean, I want to get to your story.
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  We also wanted to ask you a little bit about sound the alarms.
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  So you said you started during the COVID craziness and now it's taken a little transformation.
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  So tell us about soundthealarms.com.
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  Yeah, so sound the alarms.
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  Formed during COVID, a lot of your viewers would probably be familiar with how heavy-handed
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  our government was.
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  So the government really pushed the shot, they made it as mandatory as possible.
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  And so the uptake rate, because they locked people out of cafes, they locked them out
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  of theaters, restaurants, they made life so difficult for people and tried to force them
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  into taking the experimental gene therapy.
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  And so because the public was crying out for leadership in this area, we decided that
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  we would get together, a group of us from our local church and start sound the alarms.
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  And the name sound the alarms actually comes from the book of Joel.
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  And if you're familiar with Joel, chapter two, verse one, it refers to blow the trumpet
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  in Zion sound the alarm.
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  And so that's where the name was born, because it goes on to talk about warning that the
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  day of the Lord is at hand.
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  So the ministry, although in the early stages, was really focused on COVID and trying to combat
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  a lot of the misinformation that was coming from the government, it is now pivoted because
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  we see so many different areas where we need to sound the alarm, particularly as we see
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  the approaching tribulation period, because we really are living in perilous times.
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  And unfortunately most people are really asleep to the fact that God's wrath is going to
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  fall upon this earth.
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  But there is a savior, His name is Jesus Christ.
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  Yeah.
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  And judgment is coming.
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  It is.
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  It is.
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  I mean, in some form or fashion, some people believe God's judging in different ways.
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  Our country, you know, here in the States, we've fallen away big time.
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  There is a remnant of solid Bible believing pastors and teachers and Christians.
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  But I'll tell you, we've got our work cut out for us because it is so dark nowadays because
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  we've been silent too long.
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  So Dean Dwyer, tell us a little bit about the Australian church.
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  Give us a little feel for what being a Christian, there are Bible believing Christian is like
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  in Australia and how you got to where you are.
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  Yeah.
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  So you're right in terms of what you say with God judging in this current age and most
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  people misunderstand God's judgment.
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  God's judgment can involve just handing people over to their own devised mind.
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  And so if you look at the concept of Romans one, we see in there in particular, we see
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  God says he hands them over to a debased mind.
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  And in the Greek, that is the word adochymos.
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  And essentially, it means it's a disqualified mind.
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  So it is no longer a mind fit for purpose.
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  God made it in order to think great and glorious thoughts about Himself, to seek Him and
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  to learn ways of righteousness and holiness.
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  And unfortunately, because mankind has sought after perversion, God has handed them over.
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  And this is a disqualified mind.
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  And unfortunately, these people are leading our governments, they're leading our schoolboards,
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  they're leading our libraries.
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  And so people with a disqualified mind are leading society.
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  And unfortunately, church leaders are sitting back allowing this to happen.
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  So the Australian church, I describe it probably in four ways.
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  We have the dead, the dying, the divided, and the dedicated.
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  And so they pretty much speak for themselves.
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  So the dead are obviously the spiritually dead.
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  You know, they're the ones that are ritualistic in their worship.
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  There's not too much life about them.
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  We see a semblance of form about them, but there's no power, there's no hope, there's
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  no future.
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  And so they just go about their worship in an empty way without offering any hope for
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  the Australian people.
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  And then you have the dying, and these are the ones that probably did have life about
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  them, but are slowly dying because there's a lack of power in their Christian life.
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  And in some ways, I like to refer to these people as spiritual mannequins, because you
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  see, you know, mannequins in a store window, they look like they're human, but they can't
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  speak.
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  And so the Australian church, in some respects, is like that, and this applies globally
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  as well.
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  There are many spiritual mannequins that look like a church, but they don't have life
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  in them.
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  And most importantly, because a mannequin can't speak, the Australian church isn't speaking
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  either.
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  Unfortunately, it's not touching on a lot of the current events that we see throughout
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  the world.
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  It's not touching on things happening in Israel.
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  It's not happening.
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  It's not touching on things that are occurring in Bible prophecy, which speaker of the
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  fact that God's judgment is about to fall upon this earth.
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  And you have the divided, unfortunately, Australia is a divided church as well.
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  Same as America, go ahead, Dean.
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  Absolutely.
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  And, you know, I think you've got division along theological lines, you know, that's
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  natural because you've got so many denominations.
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  But we see a sense, and we get a sense of the globalist elites will be reaching into
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  Australia as well, trying to divide, particularly as we see Marxism continue to infiltrate our
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  politics as well.
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  We have a political system, which is very left leaning at the moment.
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  We have a political system quite different to America where you have predominantly a two-party
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  system.
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  We have a two-party system where there's two major parties and a number of minor parties.
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  But aside from some conservative minor parties, unfortunately, Australia is very left leaning.
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  So the church has also headed in that direction as well.
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  So there's a lot of division in there.
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  But then as you touched on, we have the dedicated.
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  And this is the remnant part of the church.
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  They're the people like yourself, like your viewers, like the people who sit in our queues.
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  They're really awake to what's going on.
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  They're eager to know about what's going on and they're looking, they're looking, learning,
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  watching and paying attention to what's happening throughout the world.
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  You've got to take a break now, but we are speaking with Pastor Dean Dwyer.
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  And before we do, when you were explaining these churches, the dead, the dying, the divided,
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  and the dedicated, I thought about Revelation 2 and 3 and how Jesus rebuked five of the seven
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  churches in Asia and minor.
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  And I want to just read from Revelation 3 verse 2, verse 1 and 2.
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  It says, he who has the seven spirits of God and the seven stars says this, I know your
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  deeds, that you have a name or you have a reputation that you're alive, but you are dead.
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  Jesus is speaking to a Christian church, wake up and strengthen the things that remain
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  which were about to die for I've not found your deeds completed in the sight of my God.
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  Remember what you have received and heard and keep it and repent.
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  Again, friends, he's speaking to Christians, believers to the church, repent.
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  If you will not wake up, I will come like a thief and you will not know at what hour
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  I come to you and then it goes on.
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  But friends, we'll be right back with Dean Dwyer on World View Matters.
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  Pastor Dean Dwyer is with us and his home is Australia.
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  He is in Toowoomba, Australia.
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  And you can get all of his writings at harbingersdaily.com.
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  If you go to the left hand column there, you'll see a lot of the ministries, a lot of the
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  people that write for Harbingers and he's smack in the middle of some of the most, to me,
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  impressive names in the Christian Evangelical Christian community that are speaking the truth.
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  And we're going to talk about Bible prophecy coming up.
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  But Dean, I wanted to ask you, I'm sure you've written about this.
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  I just really enjoyed those four things because I'm kind of simple and when you start things
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  off in a bullet point list, it really makes sense as far as the church, the dead, the dying,
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  the divided, and the dedicated.
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  Have you written in depth about that?
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  I'm sure you have, but has it been a while or what?
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  It comes from a sermon, actually, and I'm glad you touched on Revelation 3 because that's
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  exactly where the inspiration came from.
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  Jesus, as you said, was speaking to the church at Sardis.
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  And I think that fundamentally the problem with many Christians today is that they don't
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  look at the book of Revelation, many see it as allegorical, and so many don't know how
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  to read it, understand it, apply it to their life.
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  The seven letters to the churches in Revelation are so important and they're very telling
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  for where we're at.
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  We know that we're at the layer to see in era church, unfortunately.
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  And we see that throughout the world in the church.
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  And we know that the description is, I wish you either hot or cold, but you look warm.
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  And so we see that very much in the Australian church as well, not all throughout the Australian
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  church.
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  It's a wonderful, remnant pastas, preaches, and Christians in Australia, but I have very
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  few and far between, unfortunately, you will shout out to Leo to see you there.
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  And sometimes I look at the American church, I'm going, wow, that's us, lukewarm, silent,
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  and another fascinating verse there, again, Jesus speaking to the churches, to Christians,
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  and in Revelation 3, 20, what is Jesus, the Lord and Savior?
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  The head of the church, Dean Dwyer, what is Jesus doing?
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  He's standing outside the door of the church, knocking.
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  That is such a sobering thought.
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  And that was in the early church.
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  In those days, there were still perhaps eyewitnesses to the resurrection of Jesus, or at least
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  eyewitnesses to some of the disciples and apostles.
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  And it wasn't that long into the church history there.
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  And there are still people that were lukewarm, and they needed to repent.
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  And so there's nothing new under the sun, just like that today.
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  There are people that are lukewarm in Australia, in America, that need to repent.
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  And I'm not talking about people outside the church.
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  What are your thoughts before we move on, Dean, because I have always found that to be
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  fascinating.
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  People try to use that as an evangelical verse to get people saved, but that's to the
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  church.
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  Yeah, it absolutely is.
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  And I've been saying to people, and you touched on it earlier, when you talk about strengthening
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  what remains, and that was that passage you read before the break.
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  And I often say to people, if you really want to strengthen your faith, there's an obscure
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  book that I send people to, and that's the book of Nehemiah.
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  And people often say, well, why should I read Nehemiah?
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  Why should I read about rebuilding walls, or to rebuild my faith?
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  As we know, Nehemiah is not just about walls, it's about rebuilding the people.
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  It's about strengthening and rebuilding their faith.
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  And I'll tell you four points that we can learn from these four key characteristics from
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  that time.
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  Number one, they had a mind to work.
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  And you and I, David, know just how much work it takes in ministry.
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  Lot of sacrifices, lot of work.
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  So you've got to have a mind to work.
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  You've got to have a heart to pray.
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  And that's an important one as well.
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  I think prayer is really lost in modern Christianity, particularly in some churches.
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  You know, there's more time devoted to announcements, unfortunately, than prayer.
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  So we really need to get back into our prayer lives.
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  Number three, they had developed an eye to watch.
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  And we've been touching on a series, I've been doing a series for over a year now called
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  What Does the Watchman Watch?
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  And what we're sort to do in that series is just really highlight particular areas that
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  we need to be focused on that perhaps some people in the church have overlooked so that
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  we can direct their focus in particular ways to make sure that we're across the full spectrum
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  of Bible prophecy.
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  And as you touched on, they also developed an ear to hear.
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  And that is really, really important because as you said, in the letters to the seven churches
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  in Revelation, what does it say?
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  He that has an ear, let him hear what the spirits say to the churches.
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  And as you said, Jesus Himself said, behold, I stand at the door and knock.
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  And if anyone hears me, are we hearing the Lord Jesus at the moment?
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  That's the question for the church.
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  Wow.
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  I like those.
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  And man, you brought up Nehemiah, so we can't move on.
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  We've got to talk about Nehemiah a little bit more.
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  Because one of my favorite chapters in Nehemiah is I admit, you know, the beginning, you
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  know, he prays and he goes to the king, the king grants him favor, go rebuild or go check
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  out to Jerusalem.
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  He goes and his massive undertaking of finding, getting the people and organizing that rebuilding
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  of the city walls around the entire city.
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  But in Nehemiah 4, when the people were intimidated, there were mockers.
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  There were people trying to instill fear in the people to discourage them from doing
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  the work of God.
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  And how applicable is that to our lives?
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  If Satan has success in discouraging your eye from doing God's work, he's won the battle.
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  He doesn't have to fight.
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  He just mocks and tries to discourage us.
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  But what did they do?
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  Gets to the point where the people are ready to fight.
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  They're working with one hand and they're holding a sword or a weapon with the other.
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  That is one of the most fascinating parts of belief.
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  I believe in Nehemiah 4, at least, where they're literally, they're ready for the warfare.
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  What happened when they were working and ready to fight, holding the sword?
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  The enemy's got discouraged.
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  The enemies.
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  They said, all right, we're not going to attack now because the Jews were on alert.
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  You mentioned watchmen on the wall and sound in the alarm.
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  They were ready.
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  I just found that to be fascinating.
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  Before we move on, Dean, just your thoughts on that.
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  Yeah, absolutely.
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  The other key characteristic of that time as well was that Nehemiah really put forward
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  the importance of fighting for someone close to you.
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  He would put family groupings together because what that encouraged was that if you're looking
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  to your mother, your brother, your sister, your husband, your wife, who's right next to you,
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  you're going to fight for them if you see the enemy coming.
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  Unfortunately, too often, we have these lone ranger Christians who think they need to
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  be out there fighting the battle for themselves.
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  Now, sometimes that's by product.
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  You mentioned that in the opening, that sometimes you feel like you're alone, but this is the
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  importance of fellowship, particularly in these end days that we really need to gather
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  around like-minded believers to look at the ones we love, to fight for them because, you
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  know, Satan wants to divide, he wants to discourage, he wants to destroy.
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  And so we really need to gather our family closely and remember who we're fighting for and
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  remember who we're worshipping and the fact that we have a victorious Christian life.
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  But the fifth and probably the most important aspect in Nehemiah's day was that they had
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  a godly man who stood up and pointed the way.
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  And that is so important.
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  It's so important in our churches.
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  It's so important in our communities.
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  We need, please, we need godly men, stand up.
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  Don't be afraid.
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  Don't be afraid of the enemy, stand up boldly, courageously, fought for truth, fought
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  for your family, fought for righteousness.
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  Leaders need to lead.
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  Oh, my goodness, a good word, Dean.
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  So when we do another show with you, we're going to be talking about a couple of your articles
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  over at Harbinger's Daily and friends, I just encourage you to go to check out his material.
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  We've got five minutes left, but go to Harbinger'sDaily.com, get caught up with some of Dean's
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  articles.
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  You're all what they're the latest from Israel and the Middle East and the war.
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  But Dean, you mentioned in an email to me, I didn't remember this.
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  Australia, you said, was instrumental in the rebirth of the modern state of Israel.
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  Tell us a little bit about that.
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  Yeah, absolutely.
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  Australia is an interesting case in that whole drama.
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  And in Australia, we often shorten the name Australia to Oz.
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  And interestingly in Hebrew, the word Oz means strength or might.
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  Now Australia might not be strong in mighty nowadays because it's cave to some social
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  justice movements, the Marxist ideologies, but you go back a hundred years ago or more
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  and we're about to celebrate another anniversary of this key battle.
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  And that was the 31st of October, 1917.
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  And this was a great battle at Besheba, which is in southern Israel.
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  So this was, I believe, the last charge of a light horse brigade, which had overcome some
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  entrenched Ottoman Turks there.
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  And so on this particular day, there were 800 horsemen up against overwhelming odds.
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  But by God's providence and grace, they had gout forward, they had overrun the positions,
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  many machine gunners, many other infantry troops there.
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  That was instrumental then in turning the war.
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  And we know that two days after that, two November, 1917, we have the beginnings of the
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  Balfour Declaration.
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  And I'll read a quote from Benjamin Netanyahu because on in 2017, when we had the 100 year
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  anniversary of the battle at Besheba, Benjamin Netanyahu spoke at a commemorative ceremony
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  there and he said this, nearly 4,000 years ago, Abraham came to Besheba, the city of Seven
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  Wells.
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  Exactly 100 years ago, brave Anzac soldiers liberated Besheba for the sons and daughters
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  of Abraham and opened the gateway for the Jewish people to re-enter the stage of history.
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  So that's a wonderful endorsement.
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  Now Aussie soldiers, I read a lot of military history and now Aussie soldiers in World Wars
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  I and II were very much lauded for their bribery and courage.
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  And as we read about, very instrumental then in frame Besheba and turning the war.
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  There's so much history that either we don't know or we have forgotten and you know what
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  they say about those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it or those who forget
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  history.
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  So it's sad and we're going to talk next time with you Dean about what's going on in
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  Israel and Middle East today and maybe get caught up a little bit on that.
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  We'll talk about your articles as well.
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  But I just want to mention your website again for the church.
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  If anybody is listening over there watching in Australia, it's isrstreetbaptistchurch.com
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  EISERST that's isrstreetbaptistchurch.com and you can get Dean's info at Harbinger's
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  Daily.
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  And Dean as we close this out, there's a lot happening in the world.
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  There's a lot of potentially for believers even discouraging or overwhelming events,
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  world events.
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  God's not surprised.
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  He's still on his throne.
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  We still have the gospel of hope to share with people.
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  So just your encouragement to our viewers before we wrap it up with you.
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  Yeah, absolutely.
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  Adrian Rogers who remember Adrian was a great American preacher, one of my favorites.
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  He used to say that we ought to be living as if Christ died yesterday, rose this morning
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  and is coming again this afternoon.
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  And so I think if every believer lived with that in view, we would have a much greater
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  impact throughout the world.
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  But I just want to encourage people and say we've always got to be looking up because
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  I think it's Tom Hughes recently said, if we have a vertical uplook, then that takes
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  away the horizontal panic.
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  We look around, then we are going to get discouraged.
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  And this is what Satan does.
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  He wants to bring division.
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  He wants to bring discouragement.
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  He wants to bring destruction.
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  So it makes us think that God doesn't have everything under control.
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  But God does have everything under control.
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  He's sovereign.
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  We can rest in him.
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  We can have faith in him.
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  He's going to sort all of this out.
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  And it's going to be a wonderful time when the Lord Jesus Christ comes back to rule and
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  reign in the millennial kingdom.
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  Praise God.
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  I've encouraged that if we have a vertical uplook, we won't have the horizontal
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  panic about what's going on.
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  I love that.
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  So I'm still looking forward to talking with you again next week.
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  Dean, I really appreciate your time.
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  It's great to connect.
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  What a great connection from here to Australia.
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  So God bless you brother.
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  We'll talk soon.
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  Amen.
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  Thank you, David.
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  All right.
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  Well, guys, tomorrow we've got Pastor and Dr. Andy Woods on the show.
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  And we're going to be talking about the Islamic invasion, the land over there in the Middle
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  East, the lies about Israel and the Middle East melt down with Andy Woods.
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  God bless you and as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.