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Episode 122: HBO's The Last Of Us episode 4! · WASD and Beyond

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What is up everybody? Welcome back to another episode
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of the wasd and Beyond podcast. As always, I'm your host.
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Nick accompanying me is the wonderful, the awesome Gordon,
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Freeman, goatee, having Joel Miller punching Evan was a
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Kowski. Nothing like that.
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You, you punch like Joel Miller? No, I don't.
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I'm sure you seen. Have you seen that guy punch?
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I've saw it in this episode. It's not good.
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We are back to partly mean it's care of our Logan's.
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Not with us. He's having internet problems in
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Florida right now. He also needs to watch the
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episode with his fiancee Christy.
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So it'll be on the next episode, which funnily enough episode
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five drops this Friday of The Last of Us do to the Super Bowl.
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This, you boo Super Bowl being the Sunday.
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So we actually get a bit of a tree, I would say, yeah, I mean,
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I'm pretty excited about that, right?
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And then I'm, I think you and I have said this as well.
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This episode 4 4 episode 4, which is settled, please hold my
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hand very short. Yes.
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But a lot packed into it for 50 minutes.
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Got a lot of the the bonding Of Ellie and Joel.
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Oh yeah. Got to say.
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See the magazines? Yes it was so fucking god dude.
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It was like almost verbatim to yeah do it was you could tell as
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soon as like We sent while they faked it to it first because she
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pulls out the other thing. I forgot what it was.
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But so everybody's yeah, everybody oh well, no they
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asked, that's part of the, that's a part of it to same song
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actually. Yeah but yeah.
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Like we got to see that that iconic magazine seen just
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perfectly recreated. Honestly, I think Pedro Pascal,
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what kind of you know, playing Joel acting like?
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How do I explain this to her? And she's like, I know what it
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is. Like, I'm just yeah, a little
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bit different though. Obviously, Be spoilers if you
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don't know already, but different conversation and some
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parts because in the game. Ellie says your friends going to
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miss this? Yeah.
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Where is that? Obviously doesn't get said in
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this version before that, we also get to see Ellie finally
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pull out her joke book. Her fun book hilarious.
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I love it already. The jokes are bad.
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I'm not laughing at the jokes, but I love the dynamic of Joel.
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Trying not to laugh, so that's really doesn't want to go into
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dad mode. Mode and that's shown it's more
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human. Obviously the human element is
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here because it's actors but like it is so apparent.
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He's trying so hard. Not to go into dad mode and like
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just keep himself separated from this girl, which is a lie,
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right? So it's like, you know, how it
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plays out in the game. We know I know how to place out.
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Yeah. But like to see it evolve with
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these two actors on screen is such an amazing sight.
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I can't stop praising this fucking show.
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Sorry to interrupt now. Good know.
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I think that that was important. We do see right at the very
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beginning Ellie who had grabbed a gun at the end of episode
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three. She's playing with it, not
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honestly in a way that's like she's just a dumb kid.
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Like she knows how to use it to a Doria like she knows how to
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pull the magazine out. She knows how to take the bullet
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out of the chamber. And I like I said, she's
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obviously pretty Rusty with it, but she knows how it works.
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She smells it like because she equates it with Like power.
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You know, she's nobody can hurt me.
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Now. I have this or, you know, people
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are less likely to hurt me. See how we got that iconic
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scene. One thing, I noticed, right off
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the bat, like in the first 15 minutes, Jewel breaks the first
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rule rule that he tells her at the end of episode three pieces
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because we're histories to ourselves and he immediately she
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asks and he's like it's a long story she's like is longer than
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25 hours 45 hours that crack got some time.
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Yeah we got some time dude and you know then he tells it which
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is the funny thing is that A guy who's so adamant on following
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that rule. He breaks it as soon as she pops
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up, you know, shooting as soon as she rebuts, it was something
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that actually makes sense. Yeah, he immediately goes.
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All right, fine. I'll tell you.
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We get to see them travel a lot more.
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Yeah, we talked about it earlier about, so they changed it in the
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game. They're in Pittsburgh at this
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point in the show there in Kansas City.
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Yes! Which I think serves it well
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because it shows that you expect.
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Now, as viewers, you expect that, they've Obviously bonded a
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little bit more, because that's a much longer Drive than Yeah,
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Austin to Pennsylvania. Yeah, I got that, right.
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I was thinking about where Pittsburgh was, but so you
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there's a bit more bonding involved there.
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And I was, when I was listening to, the HBO podcast, they said
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it was because it was Kansas City.
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And where they were shooting in Canada were much more alike in
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Calgary or whatever. Yeah, Calgary.
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So yeah, they were able to actually make it a that just
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fit. And I guess that, It's obviously
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a bit more expensive to manufacture just to make it look
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like Pittsburgh and again today, right?
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Nobody's really upset that it's not Pittsburgh.
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It doesn't sound like a whole block.
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Type miles out of Boston thing. Runs like actually did get
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ready. Kid my age.
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You to Pushkin? Well, yeah, yeah.
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I thought that was. I know this funny too because
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it's like, well, yeah, it's not 10 miles out of Boston now but,
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you know, 20 years after a pandemic.
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Thank you. The Earth is reclaiming.
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What it's, what is the Earth's? Exactly.
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So like that's what I thought that's the first thing I thought
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of when everybody said that. Like there's no way that it's
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like Sure. Maybe it's not as mountainous
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but it also wasn't really that crazy to me.
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Yeah, sometimes there are big Hills guess wild I know.
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Yeah, but he's never seen it before.
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But yeah, got some great scenes of that and then bonding and
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then we get to the fun stuff. Another iconic scene that
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happens right after that pretty much the Ambush, what do you
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think of it? So it was great.
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I did crack the fuck up because like of course right like
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They're out there on the road. There it's a straight shot so
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far and it would have a straight shot and that fucking boss is
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right there. It's like, dude, of course,
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right? So they have to turn around
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that, you know, they're going through the city.
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And here's this dude that I mean, if you click game, you
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know, you know, are we gonna help him?
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No, Buckle the fuck up, right? Yeah, it was done really well.
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I like the action shots, they're like, you know, you know, they
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obviously the crash car and because this whole thing
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shootout and I like The way in which Joel treats Ellie like
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just because I'm about to do what I have to do, doesn't mean
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you have to go, right? Like stay low.
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I will not let you get hit go. Yeah, I liked.
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Yeah. I liked the idea of when they
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don't help them. They drive Adam actually.
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The cinder block if the cinder block into the spikes into the
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building. I like that setup of a trap
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though. Even if it's not, Not super
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organized, you know, it's thawed out like even if they get past
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him, there are people up top and then if they get past the, that
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if the cinderblock doesn't go through and fuck you up, your
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Visions already fucked from the shattered, windshield.
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So you get those Road spikes and you're already going to crash.
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That was really interesting to see that set up.
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It's cool because you can also see the game mechanics play out
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here. Joel, getting a little against a
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vehicle, gearing up, pop down, pop down.
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Finally, he gets those shots off and gets them.
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That was really cool. And I'll let you take over here
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because I think I thought this was one of the more interesting
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scenes of the episode actually is when Ali has to go into
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action here. Yeah, so I was going to agree
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with you two on. I like how they changed it up
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from the game, whereas in the in the game for context, it's same
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Ambush happens, in a different sense.
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There's, there's more people share obstacle, right?
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Well there's a, there's a bus that They send down.
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Yeah, that hits the car and then slams him into the supermarket.
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Even then, that is that. And then you have those Hunters
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actually come up to the car and pull Joel and Ellie out.
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Yeah. And Joel has almost killed in
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the game by that dude. Trying to force his neck, onto a
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broken piece of glass. And yeah, Joel Joel, kills him
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onto the same piece of glass because he's a badass and then
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goes and crushes. The other guy's head up against
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like a overturned refrigerator to say.
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Yeah. Then it sinks into that.
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Okay, stealthy gameplay, you know, now you gotta kill the
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other five or six people. I liked that it was only three
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or four people and felt realistic at that point to me.
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Yeah. And you could watch them on the
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other side, the hunters doing the same thing.
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Joel was doing they're not running around immediately
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trying to get a flank on them they're just shooting at him to
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try and get a lucky hit. Yeah.
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Yeah. Joel tells Ellie go hide.
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Don't come out till I say. So Joel dispatches, two of them,
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and And then as he's going to talk to Ellie or you know tell
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her to come out another another person named Brian.
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Who we learn later. That's his name or Brian comes
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out and Joel it first gets the upper hand.
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But again, we talked about this earlier, they're young and he's
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56. So like yeah, he's also not
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physically capable. And and as energetic in some
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ways as they are, also I think it's important to point out.
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This is what come into play. At the end of the episode that
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Joel has not Slept for the past 24 hours, that's why he drank
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coffee in the morning when they, when they left because he told
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Ellie was all worried. It's one point of like are they
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going to come for us? And he said no one's going to
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find us here and then you find out that Jill basically stayed
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up all night watching. Yeah which I think also shows a
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bit more of that Dad mode coming in.
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Like if it was just her go, he wouldn't care so much but you
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know, she grew up. She croaks.
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I'm already out here, I'll just write have to and he's trying
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to, he's trying to balance that. That where he says to her in the
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car you're just cargo. But then when you know, what
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actually comes into play, he's like, no, no, no.
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I gotta watch. I gotta protect her.
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I gotta make sure everything's okay.
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But yeah. So Brian gets the upper hand on
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Joel almost kills him, which is in the game different
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circumstances, but he's almost killed and Ellie comes out and
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saves him both times both in the game and in the show.
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But in two different ways in the game, actually, I believe Chic,
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just K. Yeah, I think so.
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I think she just shoots him and he dies like back of the head or
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whatever. This was more rough and this
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year we don't even get to see clearly in the lower back area
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judging actually paralyze them. Yeah, you're like, she fucking
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even paralyzed homeboy, dude, he was gone.
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He's I can't feel anything. And I was like, oh shit, dude,
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she like fucking totally took this guy's to everything from
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him. Yeah, but no cool shit.
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Here was how mad you can see Joel, not because he had the
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upper hand. And Joel is mad because now
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Ellie had to be in a position to do this.
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I think it's both that and I think he's also mad that he
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keeps realizing it every turn that if he had been going the
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same route without ellee or Tess he would be dead.
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Yeah, I think that pisses him off, I think.
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Yeah. I think it makes him mad because
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he's like, I should be able to handle this and it keeps hurting
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him because it's one of those deeper things of he failed to
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protect Sarah. He failed to protect test,
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Exactly, you know, like he keeps failing, not going to fail this
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time. Yeah, he keeps, but then
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everything is closed. But then he thinks he thinks
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that I could have failed and what would she have done if she
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actually listened to me, right? Right.
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And you know, yeah, she paralyzes him and then Joel says
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go back behind the wall and you hear I love Brian.
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Trying to talk to the 14 year old girl.
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That just shot him in the back. Like no, we're friends.
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It's okay. I'll go get my mom.
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It's like, why are you I think, what is that gonna do?
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Well, the cool thing there is just seeing like this kid
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because he is a kid to. He's young, barely older
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whatever barely older than Ellie from what it looks like.
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Yeah. The Fear sets it.
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Oh yeah. He's like oh fuck.
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I am on the wrong side of this please I do not want to be doing
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this shit that I'm doing or it's another trap.
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It's one of the two but this is, this was fear, he's already
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paralyzed, you've already lost. So in this at this point he's
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like, I I don't want to do this, like I'm done and that's not
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gonna cut it here. Ya know.
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And then Joel tells her go back behind the wall and then he
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stabs him in the chest. Which I just love.
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I love that. I almost was kind of hoping.
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I'd see a bit more of the like, I don't know.
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I was hoping I got to see it, I guess, in a way, maybe that
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makes me a messed-up individual. I've I took, I was hoping to see
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it. Yeah, I get what you're saying,
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but for this scene and shit like that in the series, I kind of
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like the, what you don't see is more terrifying because it is
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The Human Condition at play here.
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It's not just like, oh he's a zombie.
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Like, if it's a zombie, you'll show a fucking infected get
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killed. That's whatever.
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When it's like a human like this.
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I like the fact that it caught It's and you're not seeing him
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die, but you're seeing a piece of a lead I to a degree.
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Well, I was point. I was going to point this out to
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is, what does Ellie do after she does this, right?
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She shoots him, she looks at him.
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She's fighting two sides of herself.
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She's fighting the, The Human Side that says, I got to help
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him. He's crying in pain.
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I got to help him like that. I just did this, and I did this,
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and I feel guilty, but then she goes behind the wall and she
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wipes the tears away and she Like nothing happened because
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Joe the snap of the finger, Joel would do the same thing because
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they are the same people. They are the Joel can see it.
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Yeah. And that's like, what kind of
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hurts him to is? He's like, oh no.
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No, you're not supposed to be like that.
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He says that basically, you shouldn't have to see this.
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You shouldn't have to park. Partition.
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Have to know what this feels like.
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Yeah, you shouldn't have to know any of this.
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I thought that was a great scene and I love that.
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Yeah, it's a bit more rough and it's not as like I mean in the
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game, it Joel just kind of gets over it.
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He's like, all right, let's keep moving, but it's also but that's
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that's also kind of been that way.
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Like we as players we have already gotten used to the fact
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that we're going to have to kill people and infected and Ellie
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also isn't as almost innocent in some respect.
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Like she's been through an entire town with Bill at that
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point, right? So she's not get those were all
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infected guaranteed or right but she knows exactly what's at
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stake, so it doesn't even bother her as much.
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And from there, we get to cut. We get to meet two new people
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Kathleen who is a new character for the show.
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She runs a revolutionary like group that overthrew a
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quarantine Zone like that kind of a call back or call forward
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in some respects to part two as that's right.
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First time where we see a qz being overthrown.
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Yep, I like that element Kathleen is interesting to me.
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She seems like such as she sounds nice.
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Like, she sounds like a nice, a soccer mom.
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But yeah, but she's but like this.
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Then you can see that she's got this sort of like Rage or anger
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Vengeance underneath that isn't that almost.
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It should not be in a person like that, especially a leader
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in that regard to she's looking for someone named Henry, for
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those who don't know, you don't know who that is Nick.
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And I do. Oh yeah.
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I'm like, no, no, no. To the people who are watching
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like or listening that haven't played the game, that's somebody
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that Nick and I know and dearly loved and dearly loved.
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Well, Sam, who we get to see traces of throughout the
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episode. I was so stoked that they did
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that. Yeah, in the Attic.
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Yeah, yeah. No, that's cool.
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The drawings on the wall. Oh yeah, I thought it was sweet.
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I was like, dude, there's no way they did that.
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I that's like a detail. You would think that most shows
19:29
adaptation of like, well, like maybe like put a drawing
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somewhere and that's the only time will reference a whole
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addict is pretty much covered Sweet.
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It was so, so fucking cool to see that.
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It was cool. He's clearly younger in the
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game. I believe they're similar in a
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jelly and Sam. Yeah, but in this he looks
19:46
younger he looks like he's like 11:00 when the guy was doing all
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that Superhero shit to I think not.
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Yeah. He was so maybe that maybe he
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was a little bit younger than just a little younger.
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I do remember. But yes.
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So Henry and Sam are clearly intertwined with this group.
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In some respects, we get to meet a wonderful character who I
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hope, he's there. Okay, yes, he's a year younger.
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We get to meet another wonderful character made for the TV show.
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That is played by Jeffrey Pierce.
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Who is Tommy's voice actor from the video games?
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Yeah, I love him already as a character and I really hope that
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he lives, but I'm not expecting it.
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He knows what Kathleen is doing is all sorts of fucking wrong.
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And he's quiet about it. Yeah, he's very Soldier.
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This guy is a soldier, he's ex-military.
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He's going along with it because he has to, at this point.
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He's like, Hey Nobody's, it looks like nobody's on his side.
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Basically, if he wanted to overthrow Castro he'd be cozy
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probably yeah yeah. They like they're clearly very
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devoted to her not in a cult like way but she's clearly saved
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them from whatever was going on with.
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So what's worse though in the situation Federer or these
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people? Because it seems like it got as
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bad as Federal like they said. It's a historical fact that more
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often than not when there's a revolution, usually the
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Revolutionary forces just as bad, if not worse than the
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force, they just threw over through.
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Boom baby. That's taken directly from
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Craig. Mazin of the HBO podcast.
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I'll do don't tell we copied homework.
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I didn't die because it was obvious.
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Yeah, absolutely. Kathleen, 22 degree.
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I like the scene that they have together when they're looking at
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this massive piece of concrete that move.
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Now, what was that? All about Evan.
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Here's the thing is that I think you and I both know that it's a
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bloater but I would really like it to be a different concept
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that they made for the game that they just never were able to
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implement because it might with a show this how it fucking
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thing. It moved like it was massive.
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So either the bloater is bigger than we think it is.
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Or it's like maybe all of them coming.
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Think it's a I don't think it's a bloater.
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I feel like it should be something different because even
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they almost are like they I don't think they even know what
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it is. Because at this point,
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realistically, bloaters are pretty rare.
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It's only because it's a bloater is definitely a bloater.
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I haven't seen. I haven't played The Last of Us
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and quite some time. Yes, I'm so I just looked it up.
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Oh yeah, it's got to be a, yeah, it's a bloater from what we've
22:21
seen But like, if you haven't played the game, you wouldn't
22:24
know it's a bloater. Yeah.
22:26
Like the boater looks a bit more muscular.
22:30
I just look as chunky from what I could tell and looked up, we
22:34
want more muscular. I was gonna say.
22:36
It looks more like a Last of Us Part to bloater one.
22:40
That's way more muscular. Yes.
22:42
Trying to bust through walls and doors and stuff.
22:44
Then one like in last was part one.
22:46
We're basically was pretty much stationary and just through,
22:50
like, piles of spores at you, which, again, do which, I think
22:53
makes sense, because there are no spores in this game or in the
22:56
show. So he was happy, fuck around and
22:59
coming. A bit bigger in some respects so
23:01
yeah, that's pretty interesting. I'm excited to see how they take
23:05
it down and how all that happens because as looks like glitter
23:09
was terrifying, honestly? Dude.
23:11
Yeah they were not fun to fight against they were rough.
23:13
But first part was sorry. No no you're fine.
23:18
Yeah. So we get to meet Kathleen and
23:20
Perry and Kathleen is hunting for Sam to the point where she
23:24
literally tells all of her, like, Armed Forces, to
23:26
basically, just go and bust down doors, and find Andre and Sam.
23:30
She was wild. Yeah.
23:31
We get to see and because of that we get to see a nice little
23:34
moment of Joel and Ellie. Joel teaching Ellie how to hold
23:36
a gun. You know, he's like show me how
23:39
to hold it and she does, like yeah, I learned in fedra school
23:41
and he's like, yeah, of course, because you suck at it,
23:43
basically. It's not, yeah, you're gripping
23:45
shit. He doesn't say she sucks for.
23:47
Yeah, he's like, your grip isn't good, and then he teaches her
23:50
how to hold it, and then demonstrates exactly how it
23:53
benefits her. And she laughs like a kid, like,
23:56
learning something new like, like, you know, like you
23:58
teaching land and how to Say a certain word and he laughs about
24:01
it. This is another dad thing.
24:04
You know, he's doesn't recognize it but he's teaching her like a
24:09
father would. Yep.
24:10
And he doesn't recognize it yet but I think she does.
24:14
I think that's why she was so excited.
24:16
She say she got her gun back. Yeah.
24:19
She was happy about that and then but then she goes right
24:21
back and disagreed with her ass off.
24:23
She also disobeys him right then.
24:24
And there he says, put it in your bag because you'll shoot
24:26
your ass off. If you put it in your pocket and
24:28
then what does she do? Puts it in her pocket when he's
24:31
not looking which is like just wild.
24:34
It's like Ali. Just listen just listen to him.
24:37
But yeah, I like that seen a lot.
24:39
I thought it was a nice little moment and you can clearly tell
24:41
Jules tired as hell from just that little fight shit.
24:47
He gets a lot more tired later on.
24:49
Well, yeah. So with that they escaped and
24:53
move towards a building a skyscraper and he they crawl up
24:57
or yeah, they climb up 33, floors.
25:00
Soooo. Yeah, 3433.
25:01
Something that rough going on your body for that one?
25:05
Especially for Joel who's got bad knees.
25:07
Yeah, it's definitely like a Ghostbusters type thing right
25:10
there. I know, you know, I mean but
25:12
like but yeah, I seriously was definitely the.
25:15
Yeah, they get up to that little like space up there.
25:18
I love that little touch of Joel breaking the glass than pouring
25:22
it over and she and he can't hear Ellie saying Joel because
25:26
the glass is sold out, and he can't hear well on his right
25:29
side. Yeah, Even points it out to him
25:32
so I like that but there were still learning about Jolin.
25:35
And yeah, in the game, really perceivably.
25:37
Joel has no weakness, other than just being human like everybody
25:41
else. Exactly.
25:42
Yeah. Except in fact it, but yeah,
25:43
like he's, he's able to run and jump.
25:46
The only thing that they always, we were never allowed to do in
25:49
the first game. It was crawl like Ellie can.
25:51
Yeah, and they did explain that. That was because Joel was in his
25:54
50s and he's not as Nimble as Ellie who's 20 in the second
25:58
game. Yeah, way more.
26:00
Will an athletic. So I liked that they're still
26:04
kind of going yet, Joel's got some weaknesses, Joel's not, you
26:08
know this as a young buck anymore and he's got some
26:11
problems and I like that. He's I mean he's 56 I would be
26:15
amazed if he were like he doesn't have realistically just
26:18
because of out of necessity doesn't have a good diet doesn't
26:21
work out other than just what he does every day so yeah he's not
26:24
going to be in the necessarily best shape of his life but he's
26:26
in, he's able to fight and I think that's mostly from his
26:29
experience of knowing What he's had to do, right?
26:33
And even Ellie asks him that when she goes like how'd you
26:35
know, it was an ambush and he says I've been on both sides.
26:37
Another portion from the game that is showing off.
26:40
But then I think I'd remember if she asks him this in the game
26:43
but in the show she asks did you kill innocent people?
26:47
And he looks at her like you don't want to know the answer.
26:50
Don't make. Well, you already know that
26:52
answer. Why are you asking me that?
26:53
Yeah, he's like don't don't even.
26:56
Don't even try and put that on me to tell you this
26:58
fourteen-year-old. Yeah, we don't have to Go down
27:00
that road so it's not, yeah, it's not do it.
27:03
I would have kind of like to interesting call back.
27:06
If he said, remember what I said about, keeping your history to
27:08
ourselves, like I would have liked if he had said that just
27:10
for her to go back on him and be like, will you start about me?
27:13
Yeah, yeah I would have. I thought that would have been
27:15
kind of cool. But yeah.
27:17
So Nick, do you want to tell everybody?
27:20
The hilarious joke that Ellie tells Joel I heard diarrhea is
27:25
hereditary. Why is it it runs in your jeans?
27:31
So I don't care how stupid that joke is.
27:35
It is one of the most innocent scenes and the most I'd say it
27:41
really starts to actually tie them in closer right there
27:45
because she's like you're laughing is like no I'm not you
27:48
get an awkward moment of silence and he starts cracking the fuck
27:51
up. They crack up together and it
27:53
really I was right then and there this house solidified they
27:57
are as a team of father-daughter team.
28:01
Yeah, that's what this is. So we've seen him smile since
28:04
before the world ended cracking up with each other, Joel
28:08
seemingly probably. Yes, is the first time he smiled
28:10
since he's been able to be with Sarah, not only spot.
28:13
But laugh. Like, but laughs, we didn't even
28:15
get to see him laugh in the first like we, he does laughs in
28:19
the first episode was a smirk but it's all been used when he
28:22
when he pranks like Sarah. About the watch being broken.
28:25
Like yeah, he laughs, but like, as I gotcha, where's this is
28:27
literally a hearty. That's so stupid.
28:30
I'm laughing. Laughs Ryan, you know, he does.
28:34
It longer than just like a quick chuckle.
28:37
He's laughing. Well, he's a kid, she's a kid,
28:40
but she's also an adult. She grew up during this period.
28:44
So she's able to talk to Joel how Joel's daughter would have
28:47
never spoken to him. She's able to be a daughter
28:51
figure while still being one of the adults.
28:54
While still being a kid because she fucks up like a kid would
28:58
but talks like an adult. So she tries to think she's an
29:01
adult. Yeah, definitely.
29:02
Exactly. Which is the teenage condition
29:04
as well. Yeah.
29:05
So then after that they go to bed, the glass didn't fucking
29:09
work. What do you see?
29:11
He fell asleep on it with his left ear of Annalisa.
29:13
We see him again. His right ear is the one that's
29:15
up now. Yeah so the glass doesn't work
29:18
and we have Henry and Sam here. Yeah, awesome.
29:22
That it's you know, Sam's just Just fingers up, please don't
29:26
fucking say a thing shit. You know, I mean if, you know,
29:30
you know why he's deaf, isn't he?
29:32
And the in the show? Yeah, he's deaf.
29:34
Yeah, played by it. Played by a deaf actor.
29:36
Yeah, I don't. Yeah, I had his name up
29:38
somewhere. I focus a talk in the game and
29:40
he yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, Sam, I are able to talk and I was able
29:44
to deduce that he's deaf. Literally because the hand
29:48
signals and there's I don't know, I was able to kind of just
29:53
go I think he's gonna be definitely us if he makes sense
29:57
for this. Does that make sense?
30:00
It's not like I'm trying to blow smoke everyone's ass.
30:01
I just I kind of had an inkling this that he was going to be
30:04
deaf. Yeah, sure, no.
30:06
I get yourself. No.
30:07
But yeah. Like it makes sense.
30:09
That makes things a little interesting to you for whatever
30:10
we're going to get in the next episode which looks like it's
30:12
going to be quite action-heavy. Yes, we got Henry, seemingly in
30:19
a scene with Kathleen who she's been hunting, we get to see.
30:23
Like I said, the bloater looks like a couple things explode.
30:27
Yeah, looks like an all-out War almost.
30:29
Looks like a mob happens. Yes, I'm sort of mob breaks out.
30:32
There's a lot of the trucks that we saw in this episode running
30:36
around hitting other cars and like yeah, smashing through
30:38
things. Yeah so I'm excited to see
30:41
whatever little war breaks out and how Joel Ellie Henry and Sam
30:44
kind of collide with this other group of people.
30:48
People and just how that plays out and it that this is
30:52
confirmed that next episode is the end of the Kansas City
30:55
storyline. Yeah, curious to see exactly
30:59
what we get and if anybody parishes at the end of The Next
31:02
Episode. But yeah, no, I love this
31:06
episode. I'd probably give it a nine and
31:08
a half mostly just taking away that half point just because I
31:12
wanted it to be longer. I know that I'm like, I feel
31:15
like I'm you and I maybe are like the rarer people of this.
31:18
The show who are like, I would love each episode to be like an
31:20
hour almost two hours. I'd like an hour and a half.
31:23
Yeah, I'd love it to be longer because they have the pacing for
31:26
all the episodes they have in longer, which right now is
31:28
currently just one in three, but like the pacing of those have
31:32
been so well done and you just love seeing everything come
31:36
after it. Like the First episodes filled
31:38
with some great stuff. The third episode is to he's
31:40
holding his hands up because they want me to Release the to
31:45
our cuts of episode 3, you cowards fucking release it.
31:52
This Sunday give us about five on Friday, give us the to our
31:57
cut on Sunday. I would love to see.
32:00
I would love to see the original cuts of like the ones that they
32:03
shot that were longer for like 32 verse do.
32:06
There's a finished cut of a two-hour episode.
32:08
I know I want to see it so give it to us so I can cry again and
32:12
I'm sorry. Would you said before, when we
32:14
recorded episode 3, you probably would.
32:16
Never watch that episode again, unless you had to, but it's
32:18
like, I would absolutely watch. That's a must.
32:20
There's, there's an extra half an hour worth of fuck.
32:24
If I every that's 45 minutes worth of shit for Bill and
32:27
Frank. Yeah.
32:28
You fucking me. Yeah, serious.
32:31
I just just had a curiosity, what they added, what they, you
32:33
know, changed or how things passed in between, you know,
32:36
like what those extra 45 minutes are.
32:38
I'd love it, but I really hope that episode Five is just like
32:43
an hour and a half. Last of Me.
32:45
There's grew all the people. All the people who are like,
32:48
well, it's just so long. Yeah.
32:50
Most TV shows are 45 minutes to an hour bro.
32:53
Like with commercials with commercials, this isn't even a
32:57
commercial, so you get an hour of content and I'm very happy to
33:01
watch it all. Yeah, I love that stuff.
33:04
Like, I mean, you, I told you before, when we did peaky
33:07
blinders, I was like, you're going to love it because it's an
33:09
hour. Exactly pretty much every single
33:11
episode like We're still doing that series.
33:14
By the way guys. Yeah, no, sorry, we're a bit
33:16
preoccupied with last ones right now.
33:17
But like that's like it's great, right?
33:19
You get an hour straight of content and yet none of it feels
33:22
forced none of it, feels paste, or like paste incorrectly.
33:25
Like, I'd love to see this. Just actually, dude, make each
33:29
episode on hour and a half two hours, dude, I don't care.
33:31
It like this is a different kind of Apocalypse show.
33:34
This is a different kind of story in the sense of just how
33:39
its shown off and paste and everything like that.
33:42
I had a co-worker Today, tell me, he watched the first three
33:44
episodes. He's like, that's great.
33:46
He's like, I just love the difference of how they did the
33:49
infection, and how they made this world end, right?
33:52
It's yeah. It's like, you know, you get you
33:54
got, it's almost got you got your 28 Days Later, Vibes of the
33:58
world's just completely empty, but like you get to see exactly
34:02
how it all happens. You got to see, you get to learn
34:06
that the we never knew when the game how the world ended other
34:09
than what we saw. You know.
34:11
Right, we saw what happened, and then it was Many years later but
34:14
you get to learn now that the world ended in three days.
34:17
Yep, it ended over a weekend in September.
34:20
That's incredible. Like I love that stuff.
34:22
So yeah this episode for me gets like a nine and a half and I'm
34:25
only taking a point away because of the fact that it was only 15
34:27
minutes I will give this episode and 8.5.
34:32
Nice. It's not because I didn't like
34:34
the episode. Every episode for me has been
34:36
attempted thus far. I believe if not I'll check
34:40
actually after we're done. It's wonderful episode.
34:44
It really is it is I don't want to use the word filler.
34:48
I don't I really don't want to use that word here because I
34:51
don't think it's a filler episode.
34:54
It's just, it's a gap episode. In my opinion, it's an episode
34:58
to bridge the gap, between 4 and 5.
35:00
So leading to know Friday's episode I think is has no choice
35:05
but To be like a long episode. Yeah.
35:10
So that that'll be the episode that gets the, you know, better
35:14
review. I'm sure of it.
35:15
So yeah, for me this episode gets an 8.5.
35:18
It, you know, it really is pretty short episode and it's a
35:21
bridge to the next episode. So but it's, but it's still
35:25
nonetheless. Fantastic ride that you get, you
35:28
get to experience with Joel and Ellie, you get to see them get
35:30
closer. There's a lot of good moments
35:33
here between them, there's a lot of good moments when all the
35:35
characters you see And you're introduced to Kathleen and
35:37
Perry, and I'm very, I'm with you on this, I really hope
35:40
Perry. I hope Kathleen gets what's
35:44
coming to her cause she's a fucking twat and Perry's able to
35:48
take over the city with Joel going, do not make the same.
35:52
Mistakes is what I kind of think we'll get from that.
35:55
I'm curious to see how that's going to play out because I do
35:58
like Perry. And I almost feel like in some
36:00
respects, they want to set it up as like Joel and Perry are going
36:03
to fight, but I don't, and I get my back to you.
36:06
I get why? That could be exciting for some
36:07
because it's Tommy fighting Joel in a sense.
36:10
Yeah, I got like, I don't want to see, I want to see Perry live
36:14
because I don't know what it is about him.
36:16
He's done nothing good so far in terms of like helping out the
36:19
cast of characters that we need to see funeral combat evil, but
36:23
he hasn't anything. But he's actually in
36:25
realistically, I guess he's done good things because he's like,
36:27
hey man, there's a whole bunch of concrete move around back
36:29
here. Well, I don't know what it is,
36:31
we should focus, our heroes word.
36:32
Is he goes, we need to tell people.
36:34
This is happening. She goes, nope, he goes.
36:37
Okay, fuck me. Yeah, you're gonna pay for that
36:40
and it looks like that's exactly what's going to happen.
36:42
Happen but yeah exactly I love this episode.
36:44
I thought it was great, a lot of iconic video game moments so I
36:48
think that's going to be pretty cool because we might see some
36:50
iconic video game moments 450. I like I said like I said we're
36:55
really only getting officially introduced to Henry and Sam at
36:58
the beginning of the next episode of presumably.
37:03
So I'm curious to see exactly how far along they go.
37:05
On the journey with Joel and Ellie should be it though,
37:08
right? A little bit after Pittsburgh
37:14
usually is when Terror I think it's I think we depart with them
37:19
like a little bit after Pittsburgh in the game.
37:22
I'm like trying to like do mental gymnastics like they make
37:25
it out of the city and okay and what not?
37:27
But yeah, I don't know exactly. You know, the fucked-up thing
37:30
bro is I could go Dallas on my PlayStation right now and replay
37:33
it. Yeah.
37:34
And you but I'm doing it on my PC and like a month.
37:37
Yeah, I'm waiting until it comes out on PC.
37:39
I don't want to touch it. Then I think I'm kind of happy.
37:42
I'm not playing it, it's rough. I know I do is I do like with
37:48
some content creators are doing a lot of Pierce is playing the
37:52
game but she's stopping whenever the episode stop.
37:56
So she's only playing point that and then she stops.
37:59
I thought that was pretty sweet but now I'm curious.
38:01
How do you do that for like next episode?
38:03
This portion of the series? Yeah like where do you go when
38:07
it's completely new? Like obviously for episode 3, I
38:10
guess you would. Get to the end of Dylan Frank's
38:12
town but like a couple of these episodes coming up Roar gonna
38:15
have to be longer. I think they are.
38:19
I hope they are. I hope that the each episode
38:21
after this is like an hour hour and a half at the most, I'd be
38:24
fine with. Like you said, I'd be fine with
38:25
the finale was two hours. To introduce the cannibals
38:28
still, you have to introduce the cannibals.
38:31
You have to. We talked about this earlier,
38:33
they have to leave Kansas City. Yeah, travel to Wyoming.
38:38
Yes, find is a big giant Tommy and that portion of it has its
38:44
own sections, they meet in the game, they meet Tommy at the
38:47
dam, that Ellie Ellie rides off because she doesn't want to be
38:51
left with somebody else and not Joel.
38:53
Joel has to save her from the hunters.
38:56
Yep. And Happens because that was in
38:58
one of the first trailers because he tells her, you have
39:00
no idea what loss is and then you have them leaving their.
39:06
There's the winner portion, the university.
39:09
What happens during that the cannibals, you have to cover
39:13
Left Behind still and they also have to do the hospital.
39:17
And what's left for me, left Left Behind is confirmed by that
39:21
should be happening. Yeah, that should be like one of
39:23
the episodes towards the end like seven or eight Hospital
39:26
seems to be rough for. A lot of people I think I don't
39:30
think there's going to be, it's not going to be nearly as
39:32
action-oriented as it was in the game, but I think we're going to
39:34
see him do exactly what I don't need to be action orientated.
39:38
What I needed to do is show Joel, truly go.
39:44
No, you're not going to harm her and then go into Joel mode.
39:48
That's why I need that to happen.
39:50
I need to smart tag in his villain.
39:51
Joel is what I need. So, my worries for season 2,
39:54
then is our, I know we're jumping ahead.
39:58
Sure. And we are done here in a
40:00
minute. Are they going to show the golf
40:03
club scene you have as yes you have to?
40:07
They are in all of its Glory. You have to show that?
40:10
Yeah. You have to, you have to show it
40:13
and I'm not looking forward to that one.
40:17
Nope. And with that.
40:18
All right guys, thank you then forgets a 9, right?
40:21
Yeah. Go.
40:22
That's like it's nine Last of Us so far.
40:24
Is that a 10-4 was? Much.
40:27
Yeah, we've raised a series of so-called lowest.
40:29
It's been has been a nine, I think.
40:31
Yep. Absolutely for an individual
40:33
episode rating. Yeah.
40:34
So alright guys, we will see you guys next week if we might
40:38
release earlier because they have some releases Friday.
40:40
So we might release on Wednesday and do a peaky.
40:43
Blinders episode next Friday. If that sounds good to Heaven.
40:46
Look at that recorded. They just sticking around.
40:49
Checking out the podcast. I got the lasso series.
40:51
We've been having a blast with it.
40:53
Yeah, till next week guys, take it easy.
40:55
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