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Brandon Holthaus: The Reason Support For Israel Is Declining Among Americans · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Hey friends welcome one of my favorite pastures is going to be our guest today on World
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  View Matters.
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  What are we going to be talking about?
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  Israel, Gaza, Syria, the media, the challenges of Israel's hostage negotiations we're talking
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  about.
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  A little bit about U.S. politics, maybe Russia, Ukraine, Zelensky, we'll get to some of
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  that now or in the next episode on World View Matters with Brandon Holthaus.
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  That's next.
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  Welcome to World View Matters discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity, no topic off limits.
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  And now here's your host David Fiorazo.
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  Friends welcome and I want to mention we have a new YouTube channel as of the last couple
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  months.
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  World View Matters, David Fiorazo and I want to send you to Brandon Holthaus, Pastor Brandon's
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  tip of the spear ministry.
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  It's on YouTube, tip of the spear dash Brandon Holthaus and he's a pastor at Rock Harbor
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  Church in, I almost said the great state of California, it's sad I can't say that any
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  longer.
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  But Brandon, brother, so good to see you, thanks for your time.
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  David's always good to see you man and yes, this is Greens from the land of fruits and
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  nuts here in California.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah, oh man, the headlines on Newsome have been very interesting lately but we'll get
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  to that maybe in the next podcast because we're going to do another one with you next
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  week.
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  Okay.
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  Let's talk about briefly, I want to get to your Israel trip that you just got back from.
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  But you recently did a show on tip of the spear with John Haller and you talked about
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  the ancient hatred of the Itamites unveiling the roots of Hamas war against Israel.
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  Can you give us a little teaser on that?
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  What that was about?
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  Yeah, you know what John and I talked about is a passage in Ezekiel 35 that talks about
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  the phrase in that talks about the ancient or perpetual hatred of the Itamites and it's
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  a passage that is not something that's something that happened in history but will continue
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  on until the Itamites are dealt with by God and obviously the Itamites are the descendants
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  of Esau and like John and I talked about the descendants of Ishmael and Esau actually
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  intermarried and obviously produced this people group.
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  Well this people group is predicted to be a thorn in Israel's side all the way to the
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  end times and the Bible predicts that the Itamites are going to have to be dealt with by Israel
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  and God, supernaturally empowering Israel to finally deal with the Itamites and really
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  the modern day equivalent of like well who are the Itamites?
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  Well a lot of people have conjectured that is the Arab people surrounding Israel primarily
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  the Arab people are extra danians I should say of what we call the Palestinians.
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  I don't like to use the term Palestinians because that's a made up term from the 60s right
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  and we all know that but they are extra danians but really they're Arab in descent but many
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  of them can trace their roots back to descendants of Esau and Ishmael and so exactly as Ezekiel
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  predicted they have become a thorn in Israel's side as we see the Gaza and what's going
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  on there so yeah if you want to know of the Bible is relevant it definitely is relevant
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  is speaking into our world today you know big time I mean we've got we've got Isaac and Ishmael
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  and the descendants and now the Itamites that's a very fascinating scripture there was he
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  give us the passage in Ezekiel again for that one for him.
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  It's Ezekiel 35 and and when you read that passage the key passage you want to look at is
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  when Ezekiel says that the well God tells the Itamites the descendants of Esau you have had a
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  perpetual or an ancient hatred it's translated and it's like ongoing and David this this this bears
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  in mind this hostility that you see from Hamas or the people of Gaza and even the civilians so
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  called this this hatred of we're not going to be appeased by you giving us money you giving us
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  we want to annihilate the Jews and if you read that passage that is the intent of the perpetual
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  hatred you see from the Itamites which you can be seen it could be seen in most of the Arab world
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  that follows Islam that wants to wipe Israel out and that's why we have heard the term or
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  sorry the song to the river to the sea that means a total annihilation of Israel and that's from
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  what Ezekiel predicted that that's what they would want to do that they waited in camp around
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  Israel and seek to destroy her and God's basically telling them look you're going to try to do this
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  and you're going to seek to destroy her but I'm going to be the one who destroys you in the end
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  and so that's have obviously has an eschatological fulfillment in the future but David the
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  stage is there is being set we see this hatred and and that look you can look I've talked to our
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  IDF units we we support about five six IDF units and we talk to the soldiers David and the soldiers
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  that went into Gaza and they tell us hey look man some of the things we saw were off the chart
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  barbaric and demonic really and and then they said this would you have to understand brand
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  there is no civilians per se I go what do you mean by that because the media always tells us
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  their civilians and he goes we went into the civilian areas and they picked up guns and started
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  shooting at us we went into the civilian houses in Gaza all of them had RPGs weapons and all
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  anti-Israel propaganda in fact it was a lot of the civilians that were holding the hostages captive
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  and so they they went in there to free the hostages we interviewed one soldier and the soldier
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  was saying the minute we went in there the civilians picked up weapons and started firing on us
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  so the myth that there are civilians there I'm sorry you pick up a weapon you start firing on
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  an IDF soldier you're now a military combatant and and that's what people have to understand is
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  that this hatred is so deep it's satanic David and it permeates all through that area in Gaza
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  and it it has become a demonic haunt you know you can think about that's where the Philistines
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  came from yeah our attacked Israel and this is this section of land has been a perpetual problem
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  for Israel and we'll continue yeah thank you for pointing that out about the civilians there
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  because our media unfortunately complicit as they are with the godless worldview and ideologies
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  they say well they all the innocent people of Gaza now there may be some I mean there's
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  some women and children there but there are a lot of them that as you said they're they're doing
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  some of the damage they're doing some of the attacks and by the way how are they raising their
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  children what ideology yeah are they teaching their kids you know um but let's move on Brandon
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  you were over in Israel what's one thing that you that you took away from that trip that was
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  eye opening for you that you might want to share with us um couple things um Israel is in what
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  we call not PTSD but I think the phrase is a continual stress disorder I don't know the the
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  proper phrasing but because of this war and what's been happening and the constant rocket fire
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  from Hezbollah the Houthis I ran all that they are destabilized as a people now they're unified
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  but the problem is when you talk about PTSD or current stress disorder um it it does a lot of
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  things to you and what I am seeing first of all is it's developing their need for security
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  which we you and I know David eventually sets them up for looking for security from the antichrist
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  and so I'm seeing that setup um the the second thing is Israel does not uh produce its own
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  military arsenal we they get it from the United States and thank God Trump's in office but when
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  Biden was in office they were being slow walked the arms this also makes Israel vulnerable because
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  they don't manufacture their own weapons that let's just say we go through four years and Trump
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  gets out or maybe even Trump gets assassinated or something the rules of the game change in America
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  well what does that mean for Israel that means Israel will be caught off from their weapons if someone
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  is antagonistic towards them in in the uh the US presidency and that makes them vulnerable to
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  the antichrist as well third the thing I would say it's from our context and the IDF
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  Israel has called up over 400,000 reserves that's more than they did after October 7th
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  and it seems to indicate they will not tell us what's going on but they just tell us that all
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  the troops have been called up wow it seems to indicate that something big is going down you
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  are about to go down I should say I don't know if that means in the north I don't know with that if
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  that means eliminating Hamas or Iran I don't know but when you call up for over 400,000
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  reserves that means you're preparing for something wow and so we need to be watching uh what's
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  going to transpire here in the days to come wow so much going on um and you did some videos you did
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  some videos teaching videos yeah tell us briefly about that and then we'll move on to this poll
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  from Gallup yeah just real quick um I worked with an archaeologist there and I was able to get on
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  the temple mount and this is important uh for what we're talking about in Israel and what he showed me
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  on the temple mount is where the court of the Gentiles were and I saw the the wall the partition
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  that yet kept the the Gentiles out because I actually got on the temple mount which is very rare
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  and I got the film David which you can't do but we did anyway and and so anyway what the archaeologist
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  was showing me is that the exact place of where the temple was is exactly where the dome of the
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  rock is and that rock right there uh has a lot of cutouts in it and you can see it uh you know
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  if someone looks it up online uh but that rock that the dome of the rock covers is where the holy
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  was so here's what we know from prophecy we know that a Jewish temple will be rebuilt and
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  basically what the archaeologist was telling me is that the only place that temple can be built
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  is right where the dome of the rock sits it can't be put to the north it can't be put to the south
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  so that implies that something must happen in the future David to the dome of the rock that allows
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  the Jews to rebuild their temple on the spot where the temple was so I thought that was fascinating
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  to be able to see that and he showed me the first century ground I saw it and we filmed it and like
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  okay well that's where the temple was that's right right where it was so some implications they're
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  obviously and then obviously uh Israel has its red heifers and they're eventually wanting to sacrifice
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  because that will be purified the people and the the location so a lot of things are heading
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  in that direction David and we've got so much to cover here with pastor Brandon Holthouse but I
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  wanted to get to this Gallup pole bring it back to America um American sympathies regarding the
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  Middle East are sharply shifting against Israel and this is a Gallup pole recently it came out um
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  from last month it found that 46% of Americans sympathize with Israelis and 33% sympathize with
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  Palestinians and that's the lowest level of support for the Jewish state in the 25 years of the
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  surveys existence yeah um so pastor Brandon I think before October 7 we would see a pole like
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  this and go wow read that can't be right but after what after what we've seen in American streets
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  and on college campuses it makes sense can you talk just a little bit about your thoughts on this
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  pole and the shifting yeah so lack of support less support for Israel well this is the one thing we
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  see in the demographics of the United States the older population is very pro-Israel okay uh
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  even the conservative aspects were very pro-Israel but what's happening not only in the culture
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  among conservatives but also among evangelicals is a lack of support for Israel among the younger
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  people now um I'm going to tie this to where this is coming from it's coming from our colleges and
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  and universities David because part of the woke narrative is to demonize Israel as a white
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  occupier uh who took over a land and ejected the so-called Palestinians out of the land
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  and so they have uh in the colleges and universities have positioned Israel as part of an oppressor class
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  part of the white racist class and and and now if you go to a college in university and you get
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  brainwashed by the woke mantras you're gonna come out demonized and we see this at Columbia we
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  see this at Harvard MIT UCLA all the big big campuses and and prestigious campuses are now touting
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  anti-symmatism but here's another aspect the colleges and and universities have been threatened by the
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  Trump administration and like Columbia got defunded four hundred million dollars in federal grants
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  well that didn't even move them David because when economics doesn't move somebody off of what
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  they've been doing which is allowing uh pro-Hamas anti-symmatism to hit the students and the money
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  doesn't affect you that tells me something about the administration of the colleges in camp
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  universities and the administrations are what we call the credentialed elite the leftist ideology
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  that they believe is okay with doing harm to Israel to hating Israel to to discriminating against
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  Jewish students which is a violation of the uh of the civil rights in 1965 they have no problem
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  in fact it fits their narrative to be pro-Hamas and anti-symmatic so we are five to ten years away
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  from another generation being raised in our colleges and campuses of being a major voting block
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  that's hate Israel and hate Jewish people David so this is what's going on man yeah well you said
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  is very important when money i mean four hundred million when money doesn't cause them to shift you
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  know it's first demonic let's just say it demonic but ideologically driven they are definitely
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  and it's the the campuses uh the colleges have been that way for years i just want to point out a
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  couple more stats before we have to take a brief pause with uh Brandon um it says in 2015 only 15
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  10 plus five 15 percent of Americans had sympathy for Palestinians but that's doubled now now
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  it's thirty three percent in less than ten years and how about politically you just mentioned
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  what the Trump administration is trying to do eighty three percent of Republicans have a favorable
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  view of Israel how many Democrats just thirty three percent of Democrats that's a staggering
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  fifty point partisan gap and on yeah on that note when we come back with pastor Brandon we're
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  people ministries they've got an article um the challenges of israel's hostage negotiations
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  because some of us are really upset thinking why don't they get them all and like president
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  trump said don't give us one here two or three here you know they all need to be released but
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  israel's in a tough situation so let's jump right over to the stats of the current hostage
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  deal from what this may have been from last month this article let's just say um 176 hostages are
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  back in israel 79 hostages as a time of this writing we're still being held in gaza at the top
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  the head there is 35 are dead 44 are presumed alive there have been 41 recovered bodies
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  eight have been rescued by the IDF and hummus has released 127 so pastor Brandon what's your take
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  on this it's such a delicate situation it seems uh but because it's hard to use force and say
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  we demand our hostages be returned what are your thoughts well hummus understands that israel's
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  greatest strength is their greatest weakness and what i mean by that is israel values life
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  and they do not want to harm the hostages because it going in there and trying to wipe out hummus
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  will kill they will kill all the hostages and israel knows that so they use israel's value of life
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  against them and what hummus is doing is playing a game the longer they can keep the hostages
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  the longer they can string this out and and they know international pressure will get put on israel
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  and eventually it allows them to survive and then regroup and eventually then take over the gaza
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  again that's hummus is intent in fact that's part of the negotiation strategy uh because the hostage
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  release has a threefold uh release we've already been through stage one but stage two means
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  that israel must remove itself from the gaza area and then allow hummus and the Palestinians to go
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  and repopulate the area and of course that seems intolerable how in the world could you allow
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  that but that's stage two now as you know trump intervened and said hey wait a second uh we'll take
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  over the gaza not we're not going to let them take over it and and then of course the Arab
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  countries all started vying in saying hey we're going to also produce you know produce a project
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  as well of us running the gaza but nonetheless the problem israel has is that if israel wants to get
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  back the bodies if it wants to get back anybody alive it has to play with kid gloves with hummus
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  otherwise they'll kill everybody and look how brutal they were the bebos kids came out and the
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  evidence showed that they had strangled these kids and then beat up the bodies to pretend that
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  they're they were killed by uh israeli air raids uh it's a difficult situation you can't just run
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  in and just wipe out hummus because they'll wipe out your people so it's a very tricky plet uh thing
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  uh friends i think that's i believe that's a brilliant response uh pastor brandon um their value
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  for life that's why there that's their greatest strength is their greatest weakness so thank you
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  for that that was hey friends that's worth the gas money or the internet connection money whatever
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  so let's um because we're running out of time let's talk about Syria now and the the sad news
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  coming out of there because we've known that ever since they had new leadership there al-Qaeda linked
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  terror forces aligned with syria's uh interim new president he's a former al-Qaeda terrorist
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  and over this was from last week over 1300 people including christians have been killed in syria
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  just in the last couple weeks and i want to share with you a headline over at harbinger's daily
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  from erick stackelbeck he said syria's new jihadist government reveals its true face quote we're
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  coming for the christians um and we've heard this before the saturday people first
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  sunday people next meaning the saturday worshipers the jews and then we're coming for the sunday
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  worshipers the christians this ideology is not just against the jews basically that's what
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  that's this summed up as uh what he's saying there just your thoughts on what's going on in
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  syria and there's a lot more witnesses talking about the what they're doing to women and children
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  is just tragic and our media is not covering it which is creating go ahead pastor branded
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  well there's a reason the media is not covering it because it involves islamic terrorism and the guy
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  jelani who took the position of uh uh after this this coup on basher Assad and of course basher Assad
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  fled the country um this guy jelani is nothing but an al-Qaeda or isis terrorist guy he was on the
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  american watch list for uh global terrorism um i think we had a twenty five million dollar
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  most wanted uh reward for him and anyway he decides to to do a uh a coup and take over and that was
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  from the backing of turkey turkey was backing him and all of this funding him and supporting him
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  so this guy is a jihadist and he said this is so funny david he goes when he get when he was in
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  place he put he basically trimmed his beard up uh no longer that jihad he bearded but a nice
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  trim beard he put a three-piece suit on to pretend he's western and then he said he's going to have a
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  more inclusive jihad now i it's like saying flaming snowballs that's what the guy said so here's
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  the thing we he's a terrorist and what they're doing is they're not only killing the alawights
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  but they're going after the christians and killing them as well and they're slaughtering them
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  and and we don't have all the numbers but you you you quoted the numbers this is a genocide
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  and no one is reporting this and so these christians are in at stake and just regular
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  Syrians are at stake because of this guy yeah we're getting these numbers from open doors or
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  voice of the martyrs or premiere christian news and other places like that obviously not our own
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  liberal marxist media in america and i said that very purposefully but we're we've got four
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  minutes left uh brand and um so there's another article over at harbinger's daily syrian church
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  leaders call for an end to the massacres um and these are killing sprees but i want to ask you what
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  can can america do something here because uh reacting to the attacks us secretary of state
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  marco rubio acknowledges that they're targeting christians and other minorities and he said this
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  quote the united states condemns the radical islamist terrorists including foreign jihadis that
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  murdered people in western syria the united states stands with syria's religious and ethnic minorities
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  including its christian druse alawight is that did i say that right alawight alawight and and
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  Kurdish communities so our administration is trying to put the word out and and share where we
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  stand without that statement but what can anyone thing else be done from our end in america
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  well obviously we're going to pray as americans for them but what needs that happen probably is
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  israel or a united states has to intervene and take this guy out and take his regime out um and i
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  know that kind of destabilizes everything but the problem is israel is already in syria creating a
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  buffer zone because they knew what kind of guy this is i've seen article from the drusal and post
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  and other uh jewish news outlets they know exactly what they're dealing with they have to deal
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  with this guy because he will eventually turn on them and they're fully aware of that jihadists
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  hate Jews and they hate christians and and so look that's that's what you have to understand
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  israel understands this so maybe this this calling up the reserve is to prepare for
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  taking out syria because we do have predictions and scripture where Damascus will completely be
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  eliminated maybe that's part of this future aspect but i do know this uh trump has even said we're
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  not gonna allow this guy to go run roughshod he said that a long time ago when this guy got in power
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  and so um i'm expecting either a joint venture between the united states and israel to do something
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  about this um and and and stabilize the area if not this guy will continue to run roughshod
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  and this poses not only a threat to the local population and the christians there but it poses a
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  threat to israel and so now we have you know situations brewing that prophecy starts weighing in on
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  this where you have a som 83 invasion of an all arab invasion of all bordering countries that
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  surround israel including gaza which also would include syria and lebanon and jordan and and every
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  bordering country and so what i think david is what's getting going down is the pieces of the puzzle
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  are getting set for a future prophesied invasion uh of israel and so the table seems to be setting
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  right in front of us david and yeah a lot of prophecy um a lot of a lot of things are coming to play
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  that's why it's good to be discerning about these these friends don't get overwhelmed um there's
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  a verse in romans 1221 do not be overcome by evil but overcome evil with good so we are to do
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  something first of all the beginning of that chapter do not conform to the world's ways but be
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  transformed by the renewing of your mind in the word of god but then at the end of that chapter 12
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  in romans we are not to be overcome god is for us who can be against us um closing thoughts in the
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  last minute just to encourage people brand and who are potentially looking at all these things and
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  they really don't know how to respond well one of the things you can do when i'm talking to you
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  i'm saying the audience is make sure what we talked about israel you take your stand for israel
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  that you're in your family knows where you stand they understand the argument about the need
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  for israel in the middle east not only from a political standpoint but from a religious standpoint
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  the second coming is predicated on israel's acceptance of the messiah so it has all kinds of
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  spiritual implications so stand for israel protect the Jewish people and and let's pray for the
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  Syrian Christians and look for ways to help them in this this genocide that's happening there
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  brother thank you for your voice in your ministry i want to send people to tip of the spear
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  ministry dot com tip of the spear brand and holthouse on youtube as well and pastor of rock harbor
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  church a very fortunate congregation there in southern california brother we're going to do this
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  again we got another podcast coming up next week so thanks for your time again looking forward to it
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  thanks david for having god bless you guys bless you too guys thanks again for sharing the podcast
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  getting us out there for praying not just for us but for our administration and for israel
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  god bless you and as always keep speaking the truth about things that matter