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Bengals Booth Podcast: Two Steps Back · Bengals Booth Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading
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Speaker 1: the Bengals boot podcast. The One Step Up and Two
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Speaker 1: Steps Back addition, as the Bengals follow a thrilling win
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Speaker 1: over Baltimore with back to back losses to the Jets
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Speaker 1: and Browns to fall to five and four heading into
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Speaker 1: their by coming up, you'll hear radio replays from the loss,
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Speaker 1: postgame comments from players and coaches, and analysis from my
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Speaker 1: broadcast partner Dave Lapham. Then, in this week's fun fact segment,
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Speaker 1: you'll get to know of Bengals rookie who says that
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Speaker 1: It sure started well. The Bengals got the ball first
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Speaker 1: and zipped right down the field, picking up five first
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Speaker 1: downs before facing third and goal from the Cleveland three.
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Speaker 1: That's when Joe Burrow made a rare terrible throw. Joe
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Speaker 1: extends the hands, fakes a hand off to p Ryan
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Speaker 1: throws intercepted sprinting up the near sideline and heading toward
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Speaker 1: the middle of the field. Now with the football, it
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Speaker 1: is Denzel Ward taking at the distance for a Cleveland touchdown. Wow.
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Speaker 1: The Bengals not only failed to score inside the red zone,
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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow's former Ohio State teammate, Denzel Ward, stepped in
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Speaker 1: front of Jamar Chase at the one yard line and
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Speaker 1: took it back ninety nine yards for a touchdown. Burrow
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Speaker 1: didn't have much to say about wards pick six. You
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Speaker 1: had a good play. I left it inside a little bit,
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Speaker 1: and if you do that to Denzel, he's gonna make
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Speaker 1: it pay. If if I play better, we're in that game.
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Speaker 1: We a chance to win that game. Instant play, Well,
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Speaker 1: that's all there is to it. Burrow had his good
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Speaker 1: moments too. In fact, after the pick six, he drove
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Speaker 1: the Bengals seventy five yards on nine plays to tie
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Speaker 1: the game. Toss sweep to the left, mix it looking
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Speaker 1: for a running lane. Great Books get to the sidelines,
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Speaker 1: touchdown Bengals as Mixon takes it eleven yards into the
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Speaker 1: end zone for the Bengal score. That made it seven seven,
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Speaker 1: And at that point, the Bengals had run twenty plays
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Speaker 1: for one hundred forty one yards before Baker Mayfield had
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Speaker 1: even touched the ball. But when the Browns finally took
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Speaker 1: the field out offense, the Bengals couldn't stop them. Mayfield
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Speaker 1: hands it off to Chubb, trying to knife his way in.
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Speaker 1: No signal yet. The officials charge up the sideline and
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Speaker 1: now on the far side of the field, there's a touchdown. Signal.
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Speaker 1: Nick Chubb's two yard run gave Cleveland a fourteen seven lead,
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Speaker 1: and that lead grew The next time Cleveland got the ball,
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Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield under center Nick chubbs seven yards behind. Chubb
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Speaker 1: stands straight up and down, no hands on knees. May
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Speaker 1: Field fakes to him. Baker flings it deep down FA
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Speaker 1: He's got a receiver wide open. Taught at the fifteen
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Speaker 1: and streaking into the end zone is Donovan People's Jones
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Speaker 1: for a sixty yard touchdown b d Apple and beat
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Speaker 1: him badly. The Browns got rid of O b J
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Speaker 1: on Friday, but DPJ Donovan People's Jones gave Cleveland a
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Speaker 1: twenty one seven lead. Both meetings between these two teams
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Speaker 1: last year were shootouts, but this time the Bengals kept
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Speaker 1: shooting themselves in the foot burrow against a four man rush.
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Speaker 1: Quick throw caught by Chap Paul's knocked out. Cleveland scoops
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Speaker 1: it up, running it back to the thirty and take
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Speaker 1: it out of bounds at the thirty yard line. John
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Speaker 1: Johnson knocked it out of there. Dan john Johnson put
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Speaker 1: his hat in his shoulder patch right on the football.
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Speaker 1: That's just a deadly tackle, right there. You gotta protect
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Speaker 1: the ball that led to a field goal to give
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Speaker 1: the Browns at twenty four to seven lead. And if
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Speaker 1: you go back to last week's game in New York
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Speaker 1: and toss out the Jets final drive when they ran
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Speaker 1: out the clock, it marked the eighth straight drive where
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Speaker 1: the opponents scored on Bengals defense. A Nevin McPherson field
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Speaker 1: goal at the end of the half made it twenty
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Speaker 1: four to ten Cleveland. Here's Joe Mixon. We just gotta
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Speaker 1: come out faster, man, come out faster, Gotta play with
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Speaker 1: more intensity, just gotta play Bengals football. And you know,
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Speaker 1: these last two games, we ain't been able to do that.
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Speaker 1: It's a lot of frustration, but at the same time,
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Speaker 1: we gotta keep everybody together. You gotta keep learning, keep building,
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Speaker 1: and uh we gotta prepare better, you know, as players
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Speaker 1: take it upon ourselves and just gotta do better. The
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Speaker 1: Bengals defense finally forced a punt on the Brown's first
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Speaker 1: drive of the third quarter, but the offense wasn't able
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Speaker 1: to capitalize. Burrow fakes a handball, He's in trouble. Miles
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Speaker 1: Garrett blew right around Jonah Williams and sacks Joe Burrow
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Speaker 1: back at the twenty four yard line. Oh Mirles Garrett
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Speaker 1: was setting setting it up, and Miles Garrett was, He's
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Speaker 1: laying in the weeds and then all of a sudden,
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Speaker 1: you can block him for twenty twenty five plays and
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Speaker 1: then all of a sudden he comes off the edge
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Speaker 1: art on one play. He's got a myriad of moves,
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Speaker 1: There's no question about it. He's got explosiveness, he's got
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Speaker 1: a burst, He's got great hands. Here's one hell of
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Speaker 1: a football player. Garrett had one and a half sacks
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Speaker 1: to increase his league leading total to twelve. The Browns
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Speaker 1: had five sacks overall and hit Joe Burrow twelve times.
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Speaker 1: Here again is mixing me as a running back. You know,
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Speaker 1: I hate to see Burrow get hit in the limas
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Speaker 1: I hit it too, you know, also as well as
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Speaker 1: the tight ends. But we gotta take it up on ourselves,
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Speaker 1: you know, and you know, keep Burrow clean. We gotta
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Speaker 1: keep him untouched. At that point, the Bengals were still
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Speaker 1: within fourteen points. They knew the Browns would try to
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Speaker 1: run the ball, but knowing it and stopping it are
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Speaker 1: two very different things. Mayfield under center chub lines up
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Speaker 1: seven yards behind tight end. Hooper motions from right to left.
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Speaker 1: Mayfield has the ball, hands it off to Chubb, gets
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Speaker 1: away from an ankle tackle and look at him go
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Speaker 1: see off to the races down the middle of the
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Speaker 1: field of the twenty the ten touchdown, seventy yards Nick
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Speaker 1: Chubb to the house. Wow, I'm telling you, Nick Chubb
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Speaker 1: can run you over and run away from you. This
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Speaker 1: guy has got power and he's got speed. Chubb finished
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Speaker 1: with one hundred thirty seven yards and only fourteen carries
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Speaker 1: in six career games against the Bengals. He's topped one
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Speaker 1: hundred yards in four of them. Here's Zach Taylor. We've
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Speaker 1: got to be better there when you're facing the team. Listen,
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Speaker 1: number one rushing team in the NFL. That's kind of
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Speaker 1: been their bread and butter, you know. And Chubb's a
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Speaker 1: fantastic running back. They've got a really good offensive line
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Speaker 1: and a good tight end group that blocks for him.
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Speaker 1: We knew we had our work cut out for us,
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Speaker 1: because that's what they've shown each each game that they've
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Speaker 1: played really over the last two years. So one of
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Speaker 1: the things you gotta do is is you gotta be
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Speaker 1: where you're supposed to be and you gotta be able
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Speaker 1: to put the back on the ground and we get
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Speaker 1: the opportunities. I did see a couple of times when
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Speaker 1: we had some opportunities, we missed those tackles. Another Borough
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Speaker 1: interception led to a field goal that made it thirty
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Speaker 1: four ten going to the fourth quarter. Joe Mixon scored
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Speaker 1: on a two yard run to make it thirty four
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Speaker 1: to sixteen, and Joe finished with one hundred ten combined
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Speaker 1: rushing and receiving yards, but that didn't mean much. An
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Speaker 1: eighteen yard touchdown pass from Baker Mayfield to David Najoku
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Speaker 1: made the final score forty one sixteen, almost identical to
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Speaker 1: the bengals forty one to seventeen win in Baltimore two
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Speaker 1: weeks ago. Here are Sam Hubbard and c j Uzama.
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Speaker 1: I think it just got out of hand, you know, turnovers,
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Speaker 1: got to take care of the ball, big plays, mistakes,
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Speaker 1: you know, just it's the NFL. It's a tough division.
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Speaker 1: You know. You see what happens when you let things
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Speaker 1: get out of hand. We're kind of on the other
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Speaker 1: side of it. Early in the season. Happened to us,
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Speaker 1: so we got to take it and learn from it.
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Speaker 1: We're pissed. Obviously, we just lost in a bad way
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Speaker 1: in front of our home crowd. But there's the stress level,
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Speaker 1: in the panic level, there's there's none, all right. We
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Speaker 1: know we have we know what we can still achieve,
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Speaker 1: and we just have to go out there and do it.
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Speaker 1: Two weeks ago, the Bengals were the number one playoff
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Speaker 1: seed in the AFC. Now they're a game and a
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Speaker 1: half behind the first place Ravens in the AFC North
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Speaker 1: and could fall a half game behind the Steelers if
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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh beats the Bears at Hinz Field on Monday night.
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Speaker 1: It's obviously not what they were hoping for going into
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Speaker 1: their bye week, but they are five and four and
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Speaker 1: five of their last eight are at home. Here are
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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow and Zach Taylor. Still got everything in front
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Speaker 1: of us. There's no panicking. We've lost two in a row,
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Speaker 1: so what now. We've got eight games left and still
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Speaker 1: a chance to win the division and make the playoffs.
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Speaker 1: So that's our folks going forward. I think that people
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Speaker 1: were going to try to paint a picture of overreaction
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Speaker 1: when you lose two games in a row. We're not.
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Speaker 1: You know, we're going to correct those things. That we
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Speaker 1: need to correct and use this bye week to get
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Speaker 1: our bodies back and make sure we're healthy going in
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Speaker 1: the back half of the season. But this isn't unusual
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Speaker 1: for teams to lose two games in a row in
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Speaker 1: this league. You know, it feels awful, trust me to
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Speaker 1: sit here after two consecutive losses, But I think it's
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Speaker 1: important that we're consistent with our approach throughout. We know
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Speaker 1: we've done some good things over this first nine games
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Speaker 1: the season, and so we'll make those corrections that we
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Speaker 1: need to make so that we're focused and can come
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Speaker 1: out strong after the buy. The first game after the
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Speaker 1: buy is on the road in Las Vegas. The Raiders
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Speaker 1: are five and three after losing to the Giants on Sunday.
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Speaker 1: postgame analysis with Dave Lapham. All Right, lap, I guess
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Speaker 1: my first question after forty one to sixteen loss would be,
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Speaker 1: what's happened to the Bengals defense so good through seven
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Speaker 1: games and really struggling over the last two. Yeah, that
11:03
Speaker 1: that's a tough one to tough one to figure out
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Speaker 1: because I don't know, I don't if they cracked the code.
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Speaker 1: I wonder what the code was. You know, it's like man,
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Speaker 1: and it looked like, you know, teams did it a
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Speaker 1: little bit differently. It looked like the Jets just attacked,
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Speaker 1: you know, the perimeter in the in the short areas
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Speaker 1: of the football field by throwing the football. I mean
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Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns did what they do, They ran it,
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Speaker 1: and uh, you know, Baker Mayfield just played off of
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Speaker 1: that and only threw it twenty one times. You completed
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Speaker 1: fourteen of them. For tune in eighteen yards when I
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Speaker 1: mean Chubb almost has ten yards of rush, fourteen carries,
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Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty seven yards, two touchdowns. Seventy yard
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Speaker 1: touchdown run will do that for you, There's no doubt
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Speaker 1: about it. I Mean, like we said, Dan, the seventy
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Speaker 1: yard touchdown run, people's jones sixty yard touchdown catch. They
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Speaker 1: had four other plays, five other plays of over twenty
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Speaker 1: one yards, and you know they only ran for the
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Speaker 1: for the entire football game. The only we're in forty
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Speaker 1: six plays had two hundred sixty one three hundred and
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Speaker 1: sixty one yards on forty six snaps. It it was
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Speaker 1: a dismantling There's there's no doubt about it. But I
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Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know what it is that the
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Speaker 1: teams have figured out here. But you mentioned a couple
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Speaker 1: times during the course of the game where eight straight
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Speaker 1: drives between the Jets and the and the Cleveland Browns
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Speaker 1: that they they score I mean eight straight before a
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Speaker 1: punt stopped that streak or was it ten drives before
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Speaker 1: a punt stopped the streak? Well, the overall stat is
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Speaker 1: in a ten drive span, not including the end of
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Speaker 1: the Jets game where they just ran out of the clock.
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Speaker 1: In a ten drive span between the two games, the
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Speaker 1: Bengals defense forced one punt, gave up nine scores. Wow,
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Speaker 1: that's um. That's problematic to say the least, and it
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Speaker 1: changes the whole complexion of the buye. I mean, they've
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Speaker 1: got a going to take apart what they've done and
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Speaker 1: put it back together again. They have to have to
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Speaker 1: figure out they got some work ahead of them. Um,
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Speaker 1: going into the bye with two straight losses and one
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Speaker 1: of them a division loss by by quite a margin.
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Speaker 1: That that that's that's concerning to say the least. We
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Speaker 1: set it on the pregame show going into the game
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Speaker 1: with a buy ahead. You're either six and three with
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Speaker 1: a three and oz record in the division where you
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Speaker 1: can kick back, relax, go on vacation, whatever you want
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Speaker 1: to do during the bye, or you're five and four,
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Speaker 1: you've lost two straight games where you were favored to win,
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Speaker 1: and you might have a hard time sleeping for the
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Speaker 1: next week. Yeah, I mean there's there's a I think
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Speaker 1: I think a lot of sports psychologists are going to
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Speaker 1: make money during the bye week as as players and
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Speaker 1: coaches visit these uh these guys it Um, you know.
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Speaker 1: I think what you have to do, though, is maybe
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Speaker 1: go back and really break tape down during the successful run,
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Speaker 1: and break tape down during the run where they've had
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Speaker 1: some struggles, and really put a fine tooth comb to
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Speaker 1: what people are doing differently and what you might need
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Speaker 1: to do. Sometimes the adjustments aren't as as apparent and
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Speaker 1: as easy as as uh as you might think. I guess,
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Speaker 1: and they need to need to just look over, you know,
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Speaker 1: over all of it and evaluate it and be really
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Speaker 1: truthful and honest and and maybe make some decisions on
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Speaker 1: how they divide playing time amongst some players. They may
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Speaker 1: determine that you know what, this hasn't been just for
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Speaker 1: a series. This has been for two games in a
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Speaker 1: row now that I haven't gotten the production and I
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Speaker 1: need at this position or that position, or you can't
14:35
Speaker 1: make wholesale personnel changes. Um, and you don't want to
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Speaker 1: do anything. Um you know, a knee jerk reaction type thing.
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Speaker 1: But man, you I think you just have to study
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Speaker 1: it from A to Z and uh and make as
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Speaker 1: many adjustments and changes and make as many tough decisions
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Speaker 1: as you possibly need to make. I love Joe Burrow.
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Speaker 1: You love Joe Burrow. The fan base loves Joe Burrow.
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Speaker 1: There's no quarterback I would rather have going forward than
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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow. And he's not perfect. Nobody is. But that
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Speaker 1: first interception, you can't make that throw. It's third down
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Speaker 1: and goal from the three. I don't know what he
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Speaker 1: saw because Denzel Ward was right there. I don't know
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Speaker 1: how he didn't see him unless you know, you look
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Speaker 1: at the angle with a pass rush that you don't
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Speaker 1: know if he was blocked out. I mean, the only
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Speaker 1: thing I can figure is that he just didn't see
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Speaker 1: him the way it was apparent that he should have
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Speaker 1: been seen. Because yeah, that that one, it's not like
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Speaker 1: he even had to really break on it. He just
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Speaker 1: kind of just had to catch it and run. So
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Speaker 1: that that one was a was a backbreaker for sure.
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Speaker 1: And that's a fourteen point swing, you know, it's it's
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Speaker 1: but the fact is you come right back and you
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Speaker 1: score a touchdown, go right down the field again and
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Speaker 1: score a touchdown, and you know you run twenty snaps
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Speaker 1: and puts seven points on the board. Fourteen really seven
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Speaker 1: for them and seven for you. Before they even take
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Speaker 1: the field offensively. Boy, once they once the Cleveland brownse
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Speaker 1: took the field offensively, though, they couldn't wait to show
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Speaker 1: you what they had. You know, they had a good
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Speaker 1: game plan and they were anxious to let it unfold.
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Speaker 1: Tough day for Jamar Chase. Costly fumble a couple of
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Speaker 1: deep balls, poluting one in the end zone that should
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Speaker 1: have been caught. Another deep ball that could have been
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Speaker 1: caught It would have been a great catch if he
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Speaker 1: had held on. But unfortunately, as brilliant as he's been
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Speaker 1: to this point of his rookie year, this was not
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Speaker 1: a great day for him. Yeah, he's been streaky, you know,
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Speaker 1: you look at he had a bad streak at training camp.
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Speaker 1: Then he put together a good streak of a few games.
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Speaker 1: But he dropped a touchdown pass against the Jets as well,
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Speaker 1: right in the end zone him right in the chest.
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Speaker 1: He let it get in his shoulder pads and bounced
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Speaker 1: off his chest. He dropped, you know, a couple of
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Speaker 1: balls today and you know, other another throw that would
16:53
Speaker 1: have been a great catch, there's no question. But in
16:56
Speaker 1: this league, when you get two hands on the football,
16:58
Speaker 1: you know, most receivers are going to say, actually catch
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Speaker 1: that football. So, yeah, he's he's in a streak that's
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Speaker 1: that's not very good. Again, maybe the bye week is
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Speaker 1: coming at a very opportune time for him. Maybe it's
17:10
Speaker 1: coming at an opportune time for a few guys. That
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Speaker 1: The one thing though, Dan is they've been remarkably healthy,
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Speaker 1: you know, and uh and the bye week they should
17:19
Speaker 1: even get more healthy. So when they come back after
17:23
Speaker 1: the bye week, it's not like they're waiting for guys
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Speaker 1: to rehab and key components to come back to the
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Speaker 1: to the football team. And I guess you can look
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Speaker 1: at it two ways. You can look at it and say, oh,
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Speaker 1: they're healthy, and they still have had a tough two
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Speaker 1: game stretch. You know, if if, if, if injuries could
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Speaker 1: explain it, that'd be an easy in explanation. But that's
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Speaker 1: not the case. But they they have time to lick
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Speaker 1: their wounds. They're not physical, they're mental. And uh, you know,
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Speaker 1: I'll guarantee you the coaches are going to be burning
17:52
Speaker 1: some midnight oil here in the early stages of the
17:54
Speaker 1: bye week. I mean, they're gonna take some time with
17:56
Speaker 1: their families. They deserve it. Um Zach said you on
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Speaker 1: the postgame show that players are given him everything they
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Speaker 1: have and he has no issues, no questions, no problems
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Speaker 1: with that the effort that they've given. And I agree.
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Speaker 1: When I look at the tape, I don't see guys
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Speaker 1: not playing hard. I see guys not executing proper technique.
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Speaker 1: I see guys, you know, making mental errors. I see mistakes.
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Speaker 1: I see guys not playing smart enough. But I don't
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Speaker 1: it's not a case of guys you know, just putting
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Speaker 1: it in cruise control and not playing hard. They are
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Speaker 1: playing hard. We know the Browns are a talented team.
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Speaker 1: They played today like the team they're supposed to be.
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Speaker 1: Unfortunately the Bengals did not get them on a bad day.
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about a cheam Identagy. I know he spoke
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Speaker 1: to him after the game. What did you make of
18:44
Speaker 1: the fact that he started in place of Jackson Carman
18:47
Speaker 1: at right guard? And how do you think he did?
18:49
Speaker 1: I thought he acquitted himself pretty darn well. Now he's
18:53
Speaker 1: his own toughest critic. So he said, there are you know,
18:56
Speaker 1: there are a few plays, and there always are. You know,
18:59
Speaker 1: in a seventy play sequence of a football game, you're
19:02
Speaker 1: not gonna have seventy perfect plays. But I bet you
19:05
Speaker 1: he had sixty five that are probably, you know, more
19:09
Speaker 1: than passable. And I think what it boiled down to
19:12
Speaker 1: was they were excited about him before he get hurt,
19:16
Speaker 1: and then when he came back, his feet are so
19:18
Speaker 1: good and his balance is so good, and he has
19:21
Speaker 1: he has really athletic system and strength. So you think, man,
19:26
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta use this guy somewhere. And he
19:28
Speaker 1: hadn't played right guard he's in a long time, and
19:31
Speaker 1: they threw him in there. I thought, maybe, you know,
19:35
Speaker 1: the two weeks of practice that he came back, Frank
19:38
Speaker 1: Pollock's like, I gotta play this guy. I mean, he
19:40
Speaker 1: must have just made the decision. This guys shown me
19:42
Speaker 1: too much physically. I got to see what he can
19:45
Speaker 1: do in a game, because he leap frog everybody. You know,
19:49
Speaker 1: he leap frog carm and he leap frog Hill. You know,
19:52
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put him a right guard. And I thought
19:55
Speaker 1: he might rotate maybe you know, not every series rotate,
19:58
Speaker 1: but maybe get a blow here and there. He played
20:03
Speaker 1: twenty quick plays and played seventy plays, uh, you know,
20:06
Speaker 1: in a football game where he had not played a
20:09
Speaker 1: physical battle like that in quite a while. So that
20:12
Speaker 1: that's a pretty good tribute to him. And um, you know,
20:15
Speaker 1: it shows the kind of confidence that his teammates and
20:19
Speaker 1: his line coach and everybody has in him. And he
20:21
Speaker 1: couldn't have been more effusive in his praise of you know,
20:25
Speaker 1: the veteran guys around him, the Riley Reeese and you
20:28
Speaker 1: know Trey Hawkins, you know, helping him, and and that
20:32
Speaker 1: that that is I mean, it was the same way
20:34
Speaker 1: for Jackson Carmen and Trey Hill, anybody in there. So
20:39
Speaker 1: having having those bookend veteran guys is so helpful there.
20:43
Speaker 1: The loss to Cleveland makes the loss to the Jets
20:46
Speaker 1: hurt that much more up by eleven midway through the
20:49
Speaker 1: fourth quarter, if they just hold on and win that game, Yeah,
20:52
Speaker 1: a twenty five point loss at home to the Browns
20:54
Speaker 1: would have stung, but at least big picture, he still
20:57
Speaker 1: would have felt great. Now that Jets game, you really
21:01
Speaker 1: kick yourself for letting that one get away. Yeah, it's like,
21:04
Speaker 1: all right, up eleven, seven minutes to go up five,
21:08
Speaker 1: you know, three minutes and forty seconds or whatever, and
21:11
Speaker 1: you can't finish. UM. So now you combine not being
21:17
Speaker 1: able to finish against the team that you should have beaten, UM,
21:21
Speaker 1: and you follow it up with a division loss. The
21:24
Speaker 1: magnitude of this one, it's a it's a double whammy.
21:26
Speaker 1: It's a second kick in the butt. So you don't
21:29
Speaker 1: have much time to recover from the first one. You
21:32
Speaker 1: take that second one. So you know, maybe I know it,
21:36
Speaker 1: I know it's uh, it's tough to go into a
21:38
Speaker 1: bye with this type of down feeling, but maybe they
21:41
Speaker 1: maybe they need to, Like I said, maybe they need
21:43
Speaker 1: to just um rip, take some things out of what
21:46
Speaker 1: they're doing and add some some additional things and work
21:50
Speaker 1: on it during the bye week. And you have two
21:51
Speaker 1: weeks to for the next opponent, um and you just
21:54
Speaker 1: you know, get ready and fine tune yourself for the
21:58
Speaker 1: second half of the season. You really don't have any choice,
22:02
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think you continue along the same
22:05
Speaker 1: lines that you've played the last couple of games. It
22:07
Speaker 1: hasn't worked. So it does give you time to go
22:10
Speaker 1: back to the football lab and take out some other
22:13
Speaker 1: you know, primary elements and raw materials and formulate something
22:17
Speaker 1: and put it together for the second half of the season.
22:20
Speaker 1: Then the players can rest and uh, you know, rest
22:23
Speaker 1: their minds and bodies and get ready to give maximum
22:26
Speaker 1: effort the second half of the season. No game next Sunday,
22:29
Speaker 1: a trip to Vegas the following Sunday. Are you Dave
22:32
Speaker 1: Lapham a Vegas guy? I've been there. I've been there
22:37
Speaker 1: a couple of times. I'll play some blackjack, I've done that.
22:42
Speaker 1: I'm really looking forward to seeing Allegian though. I mean
22:45
Speaker 1: that edifice looks like it's mind boggling just to see
22:49
Speaker 1: some of these these stadiums are just I mean, they're
22:52
Speaker 1: just unbelievable pieces of architecture what they're doing now with
22:56
Speaker 1: these stadiums, and I'm looking forward to seeing that. But yeah,
23:00
Speaker 1: I mean Vegas is you see, you see all kinds
23:04
Speaker 1: of things in Vegas. There's no doubt. Sometimes you want
23:07
Speaker 1: to forget some of the things you've seen in Vegas
23:09
Speaker 1: or heard in Vegas or whatever. But yeah, I've been
23:12
Speaker 1: there on a couple of occasions, and you know, sometimes
23:17
Speaker 1: myself and some of the people I've been with have
23:19
Speaker 1: done well and sometimes not too well at all. I'm
23:23
Speaker 1: in the not well at all category when it comes
23:25
Speaker 1: to my track record in Vegas. All Right, disappointing day
23:29
Speaker 1: five and four, take the break, Move on five and four.
23:33
Speaker 1: Still have a got your head above water in terms
23:36
Speaker 1: of above five hundred and eight games to finish it
23:40
Speaker 1: out and finish strong. If you go two and one
23:44
Speaker 1: in the division the second half of the season, worst
23:46
Speaker 1: case scenario like you did in the first half of
23:47
Speaker 1: the season four and two, depending on how you handle
23:50
Speaker 1: your other business, could put you in in pretty good shape.
23:53
Speaker 1: You know, you're looking at you're looking at being able
23:56
Speaker 1: to hang in there and all you want to do
23:59
Speaker 1: is get in the tournament. You know you want to
24:01
Speaker 1: get in the postseason tournament. That's what it's all about.
24:04
Speaker 1: And then you never know because I mean, Jacksonville beats
24:08
Speaker 1: Buffalo nine to six. Come on, I mean the National
24:11
Speaker 1: Football League is just when you think you know you
24:14
Speaker 1: have no clue, you have no clue. More on the
24:17
Speaker 1: game and the season to date. Join Lap and Lance
24:20
Speaker 1: McAlister for Bengals Line Monday night from six to nine seven.
24:24
Speaker 1: Add WLW. Now time for this week's fun Facts segment,
24:28
Speaker 1: where you get to know the person under the pads.
24:32
Speaker 1: Time for some fun facts with rookie Jackson Carmen, born
24:35
Speaker 1: and raised in the Cincinnati area, now a rookie on
24:37
Speaker 1: the offensive line. Let's start with your musical ability. What
24:42
Speaker 1: instruments do you play and how did you learn to
24:44
Speaker 1: play them? I played a lot of different instruments, my
24:47
Speaker 1: best instruments being guitar, drums, piano, banjo, ukulele, basically any
24:53
Speaker 1: percussive instrument. And I feel like if there's an instrument
24:56
Speaker 1: I don't know, I can teach myself how to play it.
24:59
Speaker 1: So if you want to press somebody by playing a
25:01
Speaker 1: song on piano or guitar, whatever it might be. What's
25:05
Speaker 1: your go to? Really? Uh? I love to improvise its
25:09
Speaker 1: like freestyle, make stuff on my own. But I listened
25:12
Speaker 1: to just about every genre of music, so I can
25:15
Speaker 1: pull from just about any type of music people who
25:18
Speaker 1: don't listen to so it's really up to the person listening.
25:21
Speaker 1: I know your mom is a talented singer. Was that
25:24
Speaker 1: talent passed down? It was? Do you want to give
25:27
Speaker 1: us an example? Not right now, but I do. I
25:30
Speaker 1: will have later some music being released, not anytime soon
25:36
Speaker 1: during the season, but it was coming sentence. Let I'll
25:39
Speaker 1: let that. I'll let it get worked on first. Why
25:43
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I wanted to be a
25:44
Speaker 1: final product, fair enough, something for us to look forward to.
25:47
Speaker 1: We're doing fun facts with Jackson Carmen. You're a big man.
25:51
Speaker 1: Were you always the biggest kid in the neighborhood? Yes? Always.
25:55
Speaker 1: I was born like nine plus pounds. It's been big
25:58
Speaker 1: my whole entire life. Was allowed to run the football
26:01
Speaker 1: and peewee, so I had to take the ball from
26:03
Speaker 1: the running backs while I was played d line. But yeah,
26:06
Speaker 1: I've been in big my whole life. In youth sports,
26:09
Speaker 1: did the parents of the opposing team want to see
26:13
Speaker 1: your person against every game. As a matter of fact,
26:15
Speaker 1: that even when I first started playing football, I was
26:18
Speaker 1: playing up as a third grader with the fifth and
26:20
Speaker 1: sixth graders, and even their parents are asking for birth certificates.
26:23
Speaker 1: It's a compliment, no way, it is. Most definitely we're
26:26
Speaker 1: doing fun facts at Jackson Carmen. You started Fairfield High School.
26:30
Speaker 1: You're one of the top twenty recruits in the country.
26:33
Speaker 1: Did you enjoy the attention or was it a little
26:35
Speaker 1: bit overwhelming? I could definitely say a bit of both,
26:39
Speaker 1: especially like this being so young. But the most important
26:42
Speaker 1: thing was like the whole experience was just like a
26:45
Speaker 1: learning lesson for me, just like just growing in mature
26:48
Speaker 1: as young man and being able to just like see
26:50
Speaker 1: more of the world. And really, I feel like once
26:53
Speaker 1: football started to pick up for me, so they like
26:55
Speaker 1: kind of my curiosity just like to see the world
26:58
Speaker 1: more and get out and experience things. So definitely football
27:01
Speaker 1: provided that opportunity for me. He chose Clemson, hard to
27:05
Speaker 1: argue with the decision. Played in a couple of national
27:07
Speaker 1: championship games, won a championship as a freshman. What are
27:11
Speaker 1: your most vivid memories of that first perfect season honestly,
27:16
Speaker 1: just like how unrealistic it felt. And I remember thinking that,
27:18
Speaker 1: like while I was on the team, like, man, we're
27:21
Speaker 1: blowing everybody out by like forty and fifty all the
27:24
Speaker 1: way up until the Natty, you know what I mean. So,
27:25
Speaker 1: like I just really was enjoying and just trying to
27:28
Speaker 1: learn as much as possible there year. So when you
27:30
Speaker 1: win a national championship in college football, you get to
27:33
Speaker 1: go to the White House. What was that experience? Like?
27:35
Speaker 1: The experience was very eye open as well, and I
27:37
Speaker 1: got to learn a lot, to see a lot of
27:39
Speaker 1: cool things. And it was funny too, because I remember
27:42
Speaker 1: we were sorry McDonald's and someone made a tweet and
27:45
Speaker 1: I went viral. But it was all It was all
27:48
Speaker 1: good and it was a good experience for me. I
27:50
Speaker 1: remember that now as a government shutdown, some President Trump
27:53
Speaker 1: paid for McDonald's and Burger Gang and pizza. Not exactly
27:56
Speaker 1: the feast you expect when you go to an event
27:58
Speaker 1: at the White House, right, I was just happy to
28:01
Speaker 1: be there. I don't blame you, we'd all I love
28:03
Speaker 1: that opportunity. So last year, in your third and final
28:06
Speaker 1: year at Clemson, you played the last five games with
28:09
Speaker 1: a back injury and had surgery after the season for
28:12
Speaker 1: herniated disk. How bad was the pain? Pain was really bad.
28:16
Speaker 1: The pain affected me just like in my day to
28:18
Speaker 1: day life, like I was walking with a limp. It
28:21
Speaker 1: hurt to go to sleep, It heart sitting meetings, like
28:24
Speaker 1: I couldn't even sit straight up in meetings. I had
28:26
Speaker 1: to like stand up every like a couple of minutes.
28:28
Speaker 1: It's hard to drive, and even just mentally, you know
28:31
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like just knowing that there's like something
28:34
Speaker 1: you're doing when you don't know what's wrong with it.
28:36
Speaker 1: It's kind of tough, but definitely feel like that pain,
28:40
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, grew me mentally and definitely
28:42
Speaker 1: a more concept of all those things now and I
28:45
Speaker 1: feel much more prepared head into the future. So last
28:49
Speaker 1: year a lot of top NFL prospects opted out due
28:52
Speaker 1: to COVID nineteen You kept playing with a herniated disc?
28:56
Speaker 1: Why for me? I really just loved my teammates and
29:00
Speaker 1: I loved the game of self of football, and I
29:03
Speaker 1: realized the opportunity that I had in front of me,
29:06
Speaker 1: and at the time I didn't know it was a
29:07
Speaker 1: herniated disc. But still like was playing through it regardless,
29:13
Speaker 1: and it's just kind of just like, that's kind of
29:16
Speaker 1: the player I've always been. I've always just been like
29:19
Speaker 1: tough and nasty, you know what I mean. And not
29:24
Speaker 1: saying that I would advise anybody to do that, but
29:28
Speaker 1: I feel like I definitely showed my street character through
29:31
Speaker 1: those moments. I'm sure teammates and coaches appreciated it. We're
29:35
Speaker 1: doing fun facts with Jackson Carmen. I'm a sucker for
29:38
Speaker 1: good draft night footage, and yours was awesome, especially the
29:43
Speaker 1: long embrace with your mom after the pick was announced.
29:46
Speaker 1: Described that night, Man, that night was really just very emotional,
29:50
Speaker 1: and I was just super grateful for everything happening, and
29:53
Speaker 1: just like being able to take that individual moment in
29:55
Speaker 1: and just like sit on in chaffit and not worry
29:57
Speaker 1: about anything else, just be able to just like taking
30:01
Speaker 1: being surrounded by family and friends and you know what
30:03
Speaker 1: I'm saying, everything just being positive. I mean throughout thought
30:06
Speaker 1: the entirety of the night, it was just great. So
30:08
Speaker 1: that's definitely night I'll never forget. You genuinely seem thrilled
30:13
Speaker 1: to be staying with your hometown team. Is that the case?
30:16
Speaker 1: Most definitely and just like one is the place I
30:19
Speaker 1: was born in and so that's always an awesome opportunity
30:21
Speaker 1: to be be able to represent the place that you're from.
30:24
Speaker 1: And also just know I was gonna be like around
30:26
Speaker 1: my family and friends, and also I just have a
30:28
Speaker 1: lot more opportunity outside the football being in Cincinnati, and
30:32
Speaker 1: just like excited about our team and about who we
30:36
Speaker 1: got here. Like I knew team was here, I knew
30:38
Speaker 1: DJ was coming, I knew, uh, you know what I'm saying.
30:41
Speaker 1: Joe obviously whooked us in the championship, So it's uh,
30:45
Speaker 1: I knew what we had, Like I knew what we
30:47
Speaker 1: had building, and I was really excited about it. You
30:50
Speaker 1: are looking to follow on the footsteps of two at
30:52
Speaker 1: the greatest offensive lineman and team history, and you had
30:55
Speaker 1: relationships with Anthony Munios and Willie Anderson before being drafted
30:59
Speaker 1: by Cincinnati. What do you admire and respect about those
31:02
Speaker 1: two guys? Those two guys are just like I think
31:06
Speaker 1: the thing I admire inspect the most about him. It's
31:09
Speaker 1: kind of like how I try to carry myself is
31:10
Speaker 1: that even though they're both probably some of the greatest
31:13
Speaker 1: wild players that ever played the game, they will still
31:15
Speaker 1: talk to you, just like I'm talking to you right now,
31:17
Speaker 1: just like you're talking to me, just like as a
31:19
Speaker 1: man and man. And they're just so humble and insightful
31:22
Speaker 1: and wise and always have something good to say. And
31:27
Speaker 1: it's encouraged and knowing that, like even though they're so
31:30
Speaker 1: great and they're so like awesome, like they're still just
31:33
Speaker 1: like you and me, you know what I mean. So
31:34
Speaker 1: that gives you like a belief in yourself that you're
31:37
Speaker 1: able to do good things as well. So definitely have
31:39
Speaker 1: a lot of left about those guys. Apparently, several hours
31:42
Speaker 1: before the Bengals chose you, they reached out to Willie
31:45
Speaker 1: Anderson just for one final conversation, is this the guy
31:48
Speaker 1: we should take? And clearly he gave you his stamp
31:51
Speaker 1: of approval? What did that mean? Man? That means the world, honestly,
31:55
Speaker 1: And just like for a guy like will It even
31:57
Speaker 1: like say something about me in that regard is already
32:00
Speaker 1: honored within itself, and so like, I'm definitely glad everything
32:03
Speaker 1: worked out the way it did, and I'm very appreciative
32:05
Speaker 1: of the role that Willie's played in my life. All Right,
32:08
Speaker 1: a few wild card topics for Jackson Carmen aside from music,
32:13
Speaker 1: Do you have any other hidden talents? Yes, I feel
32:16
Speaker 1: like I feel like my number one talent is just
32:20
Speaker 1: like learning, And I really don't feel like I'm like
32:22
Speaker 1: multiple talents. I just feel like that time allows me
32:25
Speaker 1: to be able to do like anything I can put
32:27
Speaker 1: my mind too, and so like I love to cook,
32:30
Speaker 1: I love to like travel and do like acts stuff
32:32
Speaker 1: outside like surfing, waight surfing, jet skiing and snowboarding and
32:36
Speaker 1: stuff like that. I love to I mean, I honestly
32:41
Speaker 1: I feel like I can do anything. So and that's
32:43
Speaker 1: not from like a cocky place, but that's just from
32:44
Speaker 1: I don't like to limit myself, like on my mind,
32:47
Speaker 1: like people say I can't do this, so I couldn't
32:48
Speaker 1: pick myself. I couldn't picture myself doing that. I'll just
32:51
Speaker 1: go and try it, you know what I mean, and
32:53
Speaker 1: be able to learn it as I go. I've seen
32:56
Speaker 1: footage on the Internet of your water skiing world's most
32:59
Speaker 1: talented big Man and water scared. You know, it's so
33:02
Speaker 1: crazy because everyone makes jokes about that. But at the
33:05
Speaker 1: same time, like sports like that definitely translate the football directly,
33:09
Speaker 1: and just like being on the water so much on
33:12
Speaker 1: a board you just find a different level of balance
33:16
Speaker 1: and different levels just like kind of body awareness, you
33:19
Speaker 1: know what I mean, And those things definitely translate. So
33:22
Speaker 1: that's why I always encourage kids or just people to
33:25
Speaker 1: be able to just like go out and try things
33:27
Speaker 1: and just like just learn have new experiences because it's
33:30
Speaker 1: not gonna do anything for you but help you after
33:33
Speaker 1: being a second round draft picking of a little bit
33:35
Speaker 1: of spending money to work with. Is there anything you'd
33:37
Speaker 1: like to splurge on. I'm not really like a huge splurger,
33:42
Speaker 1: but I do. I do love good food, like high
33:45
Speaker 1: quality food or made food. I definitely consider myself a
33:48
Speaker 1: food critic, and so like I've been to I've been
33:53
Speaker 1: like just going around all the steakhouses in Cincinnati kind
33:56
Speaker 1: of making a little personal review book for him when
33:59
Speaker 1: my release later. Gotta get a Carmen. I'm the Jeff
34:02
Speaker 1: Ruby menu, but most definitely do mostly what would be
34:06
Speaker 1: on the Carmen. That's that's another thing we gotta wait
34:10
Speaker 1: till that comes out to see. Fair enough, if you
34:13
Speaker 1: could meet anybody in history, athlete, entertainer, statesman, whoever it
34:19
Speaker 1: might be, who would that person be? Leonardo da Vinci
34:24
Speaker 1: probably him a renaissance man, just like you. Multi talented. Yeah,
34:28
Speaker 1: he's just a genius and he's super like this didn't
34:32
Speaker 1: stop himself from doing anything, you know what I mean,
34:34
Speaker 1: and influence the world. Excellent answer. I appreciate your time.
34:40
Speaker 1: Congratulations on a great start. Best of luck the rest
34:42
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