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EP778: Erwan Le Corre - How To Hold Your Breath For 8 Minutes! · The Thought Leader Revolution Podcast

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  Erwan Le Corre: On the outside, it looks like a method to learn to hold your breath a long time.
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  Erwan Le Corre: But that's not the actual finality.
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  Erwan Le Corre: The finality is to leverage the power of breath-holding to work on improving our responses to stress.
• 0:20
  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Thought Leader Revolution with Nicky Billou.
• 0:24
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  Nicky Billou: Welcome to another exciting episode of the podcast, The Thought Leader Revolution.
• 0:52
  Nicky Billou: I'm your host, Nicky Ballou, and boy, do we have an exciting guest lined up for you today.
• 0:57
  Nicky Billou: Today's guest is a good friend.
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  Nicky Billou: He is a leading thought leader of a powerful health and well-being movement called MoveNet,
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  Nicky Billou: which derives from the French words, Movement Naturel.
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  Nicky Billou: I am speaking, of course, of another, the one, the only, the legendary Erwin Lacorn.
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  Erwan Le Corre: Welcome to the show, Erwin.
• 1:22
  Erwan Le Corre: well nicky what an intro i appreciate it uh what an energy i'll try to emulate yours
• 1:27
  Nicky Billou: beautiful thank you appreciate it pleasure so everyone you and i hi to everybody we have been
• 1:33
  Nicky Billou: on a podcast together before on my men's podcast and it was such a good time that we decided to do
• 1:39
  Nicky Billou: this again on the business side and the people here are entrepreneurs and aspiring thought leaders
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  Nicky Billou: aspiring authorities and you're definitely an authority in your space and they're interested
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  Nicky Billou: not because of me so much, but because of you.
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  Nicky Billou: Because you have so much wisdom to share.
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  Nicky Billou: But before they can do that, they got to get to know you.
• 1:57
  Nicky Billou: Tell us your backstory.
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  Nicky Billou: How'd you get to be the great Erwin LaCour?
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  Nicky Billou: I must have missed something.
• 2:02
  Nicky Billou: Oh, you did.
• 2:03
  Nicky Billou: That's not good.
• 2:04
  Nicky Billou: All right.
• 2:05
  Nicky Billou: That's not good.
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  Nicky Billou: No.
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  Nicky Billou: Did you ask a question?
• 2:09
  Nicky Billou: I did.
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  Nicky Billou: Tell us your backstory.
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  Nicky Billou: How'd you get to be the great Erwin LaCour?
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  Erwan Le Corre: I, okay.
• 2:15
  Erwan Le Corre: I must have blanked for something.
• 2:18
  Erwan Le Corre: And I have to acknowledge that moment of absence, which completely ruins whatever you're trying to say about me.
• 2:25
  Erwan Le Corre: It's all good, brother.
• 2:27
  Erwan Le Corre: Consciousness sometimes works in a mysterious way.
• 2:30
  Erwan Le Corre: Well, look, the name of the game, life consciousness, whatever we want to call it, I'm interested in that.
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  Speaker 2: And we all, let's say, play that game in the best we can.
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  Erwan Le Corre: At some point, if we dig deep enough and consistently enough, we may acquire a number of insights and a number of practices or even create methods that are going to work.
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  Erwan Le Corre: That's what I do.
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  Erwan Le Corre: So I've done it twice.
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  Erwan Le Corre: I've done it with MoveNet, indeed.
• 3:05
  Erwan Le Corre: Moving Naturally.
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  Erwan Le Corre: It's a method for becoming very efficient at moving in the ways that are deemed natural, like running, jumping, landing, doing all these things, climbing, lifting, and carrying.
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  Erwan Le Corre: What few of us understand is that even though those abilities are universal and intuitive, we can practice them technically, just like a martial arts, and become really, really good at that.
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  Erwan Le Corre: That's what my first method was about and still is about because we teach it worldwide.
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  Erwan Le Corre: The second method that I've created is called breath hold work.
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  Erwan Le Corre: On the outside, it looks like a method to learn to hold your breath a long time, but
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  Erwan Le Corre: that's not the actual finality.
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  Erwan Le Corre: The finality is to leverage the power of breath holding to create mild and temporary discomfort
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  Erwan Le Corre: that we leverage as an opportunity to work on improving our responses to stress.
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  Erwan Le Corre: So we learn to mindfully, intentionally, and strategically regulate our response to that
• 4:16
  Erwan Le Corre: temporary stress from breath holding and neurophysiological stress.
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  Erwan Le Corre: And if we do that with enough intention, but most importantly enough consistency, we can
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  Erwan Le Corre: literally rewire aspects of our brain.
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  Erwan Le Corre: So that's called neuroplasticity.
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  Erwan Le Corre: I'll give you an example.
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  Erwan Le Corre: If we tend to be impatient, obviously, if we're going to hold our breath, we're going to be very impatient.
• 4:40
  Erwan Le Corre: Okay, well, the antidote to that is going to be patient.
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  Erwan Le Corre: But we're going to have to establish that patience.
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  Erwan Le Corre: That's one example.
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  Erwan Le Corre: So basically, how do you train the mind?
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  Erwan Le Corre: And how can the mind that we are train itself, that's under load, under some form of challenge,
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  Erwan Le Corre: that oblige Jesus to determine our response.
• 5:02
  Erwan Le Corre: And by determine, meaning that response,
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  Erwan Le Corre: we establish new patterns.
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  Erwan Le Corre: That's what I teach.
• 5:10
  Nicky Billou: It's beautiful, man.
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  Nicky Billou: So listen, I don't know if you are aware,
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  Nicky Billou: but you have your own Wikipedia page
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  Nicky Billou: and it's quite extensive.
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  Nicky Billou: And in there, it talks about your early life and training.
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  Nicky Billou: And it said that you received a black belt
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  Nicky Billou: at the age of 18 in karate.
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  Nicky Billou: Wow, that's pretty impressive, man.
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  Nicky Billou: So tell me a little bit about that.
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  Erwan Le Corre: So, yeah, you're right.
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  Erwan Le Corre: I did that.
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  Erwan Le Corre: But that's because I had a mindset.
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  Erwan Le Corre: I had a mindset that I had in this life to acquire inner strength and a form of self-mastery.
• 5:48
  Erwan Le Corre: And being 15 years old, when I started the practice of karate, it felt like that was the perfect martial art for me.
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  Erwan Le Corre: that was the closest thing to being a samurai I could.
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  Erwan Le Corre: In the imaginary world of a romantic world,
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  Erwan Le Corre: romantic in the sense of thinking of epic stuff,
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  Erwan Le Corre: of a 15-year-old kid,
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  Erwan Le Corre: the idea of being a samurai is the idea of being a grown-up
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  Erwan Le Corre: that is a warrior who is in charge of himself
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  Erwan Le Corre: with a level of impeccability,
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  Erwan Le Corre: again, a level of self-mastery.
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  Erwan Le Corre: So I started karate at age 15.
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  Erwan Le Corre: I became a black belt in three years.
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  Erwan Le Corre: That's incredible.
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  Erwan Le Corre: In France, karate is seriously regulated through a national federation.
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  Erwan Le Corre: So what I can tell you is that it was not my sensei who gave me the black belt.
• 6:46
  Erwan Le Corre: It's the federation.
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  Erwan Le Corre: It's a very serious thing.
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  Erwan Le Corre: They don't give you a black belt just like that.
• 6:52
  Erwan Le Corre: It's not your teacher who gives you a black belt.
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  Erwan Le Corre: It's the whole national organization that through a number of tests says, okay, you have that level.
• 7:04
  Erwan Le Corre: So, yeah, I was very proud of that back then.
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  Erwan Le Corre: It meant something to me.
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  Erwan Le Corre: I've learned a lot through karate about mindset, about being systematic, about being mindful, about being very technical, looking at little details.
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  Erwan Le Corre: It's a way of self-improvement.
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  Erwan Le Corre: And it's just obviously not about the techniques.
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  Erwan Le Corre: It's also about the mindset.
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  Erwan Le Corre: So a lot of valuable insights I've learned through these three years of intense practice
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  Erwan Le Corre: I've applied later on in my life, in my business process, in the methods I've created.
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  Erwan Le Corre: It was very valuable.
• 7:46
  Nicky Billou: It sounds like an incredible experience because, you know, in North America, unfortunately,
• 7:50
  Nicky Billou: for most of us who participate in things like karate.
• 7:58
  Nicky Billou: The desire to make money by the dojos overrides their desire
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  Nicky Billou: to have powerful standards.
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  Nicky Billou: So there's many people who earn belts that, frankly, they don't deserve.
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  Nicky Billou: And, you know, I did karate until I was 15,
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  Nicky Billou: and I'd earned my green belt at that point.
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  Nicky Billou: and I stopped and I thought, you know what, I'm going to come back to it, but I never did,
• 8:21
  Nicky Billou: which was a mistake, honestly. And in this day and age, I think doing martial arts and martial
• 8:30
  Nicky Billou: sports is powerful for all the reasons you said. It builds a mindset, it builds a way to think
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  Nicky Billou: systematically, it makes you more mindful and present as an individual. So I think that's
• 8:42
  Nicky Billou: fantastic and it's a good background for how you become such a powerful thought leader in the arena
• 8:50
  Nicky Billou: of health and well-being. It also says in this Wikipedia page about you that at the age of 19,
• 8:57
  Nicky Billou: you started to do something that was similar to parkour for a period of seven years with a
• 9:03
  Nicky Billou: very famous Parisian stuntman named Dengine Abri. I don't know if I pronounced the name correctly or
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  Erwan Le Corre: not but uh uh could you please speak about that experience yeah his name was jean abaray and uh
• 9:18
  Erwan Le Corre: he liked to be nicknamed don don um okay he was he's still alive by the way i think he's in his
• 9:25
  Erwan Le Corre: 80s now he was a very unique charismatic person no certainly not perfect this i can tell you but
• 9:33
  Erwan Le Corre: charismatic enough to make me want to follow him somehow as a mentor, along with a handful
• 9:41
  Erwan Le Corre: of other young people like me, because he was presenting us with a completely alternative
• 9:53
  Erwan Le Corre: lifestyle.
• 9:55
  Erwan Le Corre: And I could detail the aspects of the lifestyle if you want it, but also...
• 9:59
  Nicky Billou: I would very much.
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  Nicky Billou: Yes, it sounds fascinating.
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  Erwan Le Corre: Right. I'll do that. It's a completely different. Yeah. Nothing beats a good story. And that was a really good story. I got to live a very, very unique lifestyle. It was like an adventure where you would need to go to far away places to have an adventure.
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  Erwan Le Corre: I lived in Paris. Everything happened in Paris. But from cold plunging in the river scene, jumping off bridges at night, in the winter, in the dark, in the cold water, on a fasted state with no wetsuit, no equipment.
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  Erwan Le Corre: He was a stuntman, by the way.
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  Erwan Le Corre: So we did stunts all the time.
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  Erwan Le Corre: We did things that were potentially dangerous that could kill you sometimes.
• 10:51
  Erwan Le Corre: Physical things, but it was about the mind.
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  Erwan Le Corre: It was about not living a conventional, boring life.
• 11:02
  Erwan Le Corre: It was about challenging the conventions of what's deemed normal by people, by social conventional norms.
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  Erwan Le Corre: So what would we do?
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  Erwan Le Corre: Well, literally question and challenge everything.
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  Erwan Le Corre: When I say we, well, that's because I was not alone.
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  Erwan Le Corre: I was following that guy and his guidance.
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  Erwan Le Corre: He was, I was 18.
• 11:28
  Erwan Le Corre: He was 48.
• 11:31
  Erwan Le Corre: Wow.
• 11:31
  Erwan Le Corre: So 30 years older.
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  Erwan Le Corre: And so the friends who were also in that small confidential group were same age as me or a little older.
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  Erwan Le Corre: And we would, by the way, we did not, it was not a commune or something like that.
• 11:48
  Erwan Le Corre: Everybody had their life and their job and their own home.
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  Erwan Le Corre: But we would gather at least once a week and do these very unique challenges.
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  Erwan Le Corre: We would go at night. We would gather typically late evening and it would last a whole night of going barefoot, doing breathing exercises, sometimes balancing on top of scaffoldings.
• 12:13
  Erwan Le Corre: You make a mistake, you fall, you die. Going barefoot, training barefoot, doing like Thai boxing, Krav Maga kind of stuff in the underground of Paris.
• 12:26
  Erwan Le Corre: A lot of those things that are now much later became niche, alternative wellness, lifestyle, niche stuff like intermittent fasting, barefoot walking or running, cold exposure, breath work, you name it, natural movement.
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  Erwan Le Corre: But all of it was part of our lifestyle, all of it, not as independent practices, but as
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  Erwan Le Corre: a whole lifestyle.
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  Erwan Le Corre: So you would fast once a week, you would do all these physical trainings, breathwork trainings
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  Erwan Le Corre: every day or almost every day.
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  Erwan Le Corre: You would do that on your own and then we would do it training together.
• 13:12
  Erwan Le Corre: And so some amazing things we did, like we got into the zoo, the zoo of Vincennes to feed the monkeys or to, we literally slept next to the zebras.
• 13:26
  Erwan Le Corre: That's crazy.
• 13:27
  Erwan Le Corre: That's crazy.
• 13:28
  Erwan Le Corre: Thanks.
• 13:28
  Erwan Le Corre: We climbed to the top of Notre Dame de Paris.
• 13:34
  Erwan Le Corre: Wow.
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  Erwan Le Corre: We sneaked inside the Louvre Museum and triggered the alarm.
• 13:42
  Erwan Le Corre: And we had the whole thing encircled by police forces and firefighters and everything.
• 13:52
  Erwan Le Corre: We're like, what's going on?
• 13:53
  Erwan Le Corre: Are there thieves inside the Louvre?
• 13:55
  Erwan Le Corre: And I never find it.
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  Erwan Le Corre: I have countless stories of things we did.
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  Erwan Le Corre: I could literally write a whole book about these years.
• 14:03
  Erwan Le Corre: They were amazing in so many ways.
• 14:06
  Erwan Le Corre: You must.
• 14:07
  Nicky Billou: You absolutely must.
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  Nicky Billou: Everyone, these stories, you know, they say facts tell, but stories sell.
• 14:14
  Nicky Billou: And in the human condition, we connect with our fellow human beings through brilliant stories.
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  Nicky Billou: This is a story worth telling, man.
• 14:22
  Erwan Le Corre: I know.
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  Erwan Le Corre: And it's part of my origin story.
• 14:26
  Erwan Le Corre: And for some reason, I've never really shared fully my origin story.
• 14:30
  Erwan Le Corre: Oh, my God.
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  Erwan Le Corre: But I have so many, it's like I have several lives in one.
• 14:37
  Erwan Le Corre: Most people don't know that I spent a total of two years in China, that I work in China, that I learned Chinese, that I was working in factories with Chinese people.
• 14:48
  Erwan Le Corre: Or that I spent time in Brazil, learned jiu-jitsu, was training, of course, natural movement there as well, teaching that to these people.
• 14:59
  Erwan Le Corre: I've done long distance triathlon.
• 15:03
  Erwan Le Corre: I've done and finished one of the toughest long distance triathlon in the world called the Ombra-Man.
• 15:11
  Erwan Le Corre: It's in France.
• 15:12
  Erwan Le Corre: It's not part of the actual Ironman system, but it's the same distance, except it's done in the mountains of the Alps.
• 15:23
  Erwan Le Corre: So you literally, you do the bike in the mountains.
• 15:29
  Erwan Le Corre: not on flats
• 15:30
  Erwan Le Corre: so typically even the champs
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  Erwan Le Corre: when they do it
• 15:35
  Erwan Le Corre: it takes them two hours extra
• 15:37
  Erwan Le Corre: compared to a regular RMA format
• 15:40
  Erwan Le Corre: yeah I've done a bunch of things
• 15:42
  Erwan Le Corre: I've really
• 15:43
  Erwan Le Corre: dude you're the French David Goggins man
• 15:47
  Erwan Le Corre: maybe I mean
• 15:49
  Erwan Le Corre: I know Goggins
• 15:50
  Erwan Le Corre: I've briefly met him
• 15:52
  Erwan Le Corre: randomly in an airport
• 15:53
  Erwan Le Corre: and was all cordial
• 15:55
  Erwan Le Corre: he has a very specific mindset
• 15:58
  Nicky Billou: have a different mindset i invite people to well he's angrier than you are no question about it
• 16:06
  Nicky Billou: you have that same strength his strength comes from rage your strength comes from peace that's
• 16:13
  Nicky Billou: the difference really but the crazy stuff you do is the same right yeah i've done some crazy stuff
• 16:22
  Erwan Le Corre: and even holding a breath for eight minutes
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  Erwan Le Corre: is absolutely, could be seen as insane
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  Erwan Le Corre: when actually I see it as a very sane way
• 16:34
  Erwan Le Corre: to push one's limits.
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  Erwan Le Corre: But yeah, you know, since we're talking about him,
• 16:41
  Erwan Le Corre: that's one mindset.
• 16:43
  Erwan Le Corre: He uses and pushes and promotes one single mindset.
• 16:46
  Erwan Le Corre: It's the mindset of discording your suffering
• 16:50
  Erwan Le Corre: overcoming your suffering, almost mocking it.
• 16:54
  Erwan Le Corre: But at the same time, this would be the way I view it and my critique on it.
• 17:03
  Erwan Le Corre: It's going to work and it's going to work for some people.
• 17:06
  Erwan Le Corre: But most people, it will not work or not sustainably so.
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  Erwan Le Corre: And here's why.
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  Erwan Le Corre: I know what is to endure.
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  Erwan Le Corre: I know also in my own ways what is to push myself, to be consistent, to have discipline, self-discipline.
• 17:20
  Erwan Le Corre: It's absolutely essential.
• 17:22
  Erwan Le Corre: This is where our approaches overlap.
• 17:25
  Nicky Billou: Yes.
• 17:26
  Erwan Le Corre: We agree on that.
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  Erwan Le Corre: However, stoicism only will take you so far.
• 17:32
  Erwan Le Corre: There's a point where pushing yourself all the time relentlessly is also self-penishment and basically self-abuse.
• 17:43
  Erwan Le Corre: There's no room here for really paying attention to your needs or even to your health or to how sustainable it is.
• 17:51
  Erwan Le Corre: And so that can lead to injuries, that's for sure.
• 17:55
  Erwan Le Corre: That can lead to burnout, even though he's going to say, no, well, you can overcome that too.
• 18:01
  Erwan Le Corre: Yes, you can.
• 18:02
  Erwan Le Corre: But what's the point in the end?
• 18:04
  Erwan Le Corre: If it's not balance, then I don't think it's going to work for most people.
• 18:08
  Erwan Le Corre: I don't think it's healthy on the long run.
• 18:11
  Erwan Le Corre: That's his identity.
• 18:12
  Erwan Le Corre: that works for him, fine.
• 18:14
  Erwan Le Corre: Yeah, very good.
• 18:15
  Erwan Le Corre: I don't think that it's healthy for most people.
• 18:19
  Erwan Le Corre: Okay, so what I want to say is that
• 18:22
  Erwan Le Corre: if you have a tendency for procrastination,
• 18:26
  Erwan Le Corre: tendency for even laziness,
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  Erwan Le Corre: a tendency for not wanting to push yourself,
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  Erwan Le Corre: not wanting to suffer,
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  Erwan Le Corre: then that mindset is exactly what you need.
• 18:37
  Erwan Le Corre: Now, if that's already what you tend to do to yourself,
• 18:41
  Erwan Le Corre: The mindset that you need is a mindset that's different.
• 18:45
  Erwan Le Corre: It's a mindset of softness, of taking your time, of learning that you don't always need to self-validate through constant challenge and constant punishment.
• 18:56
  Erwan Le Corre: Listen to yourself more.
• 18:57
  Erwan Le Corre: Take more time for yourself.
• 18:59
  Erwan Le Corre: Get in touch with your inner self more, et cetera, et cetera.
• 19:03
  Erwan Le Corre: So I like that idea of balance.
• 19:05
  Erwan Le Corre: I like that idea of being versatile as much as possible and as balanced as possible in one's life.
• 19:11
  Erwan Le Corre: So you want to look at what's biological, what's mental, what's emotional, and then what's spiritual.
• 19:18
  Erwan Le Corre: And then you also have the material financial side of things, obviously.
• 19:22
  Erwan Le Corre: It's hard to balance it all out, but it's possible.
• 19:25
  Nicky Billou: Well, I've read both the books that Goggins has written, and I've, not lately, but in the past, watched quite a few interviews he's done and so forth.
• 19:35
  Nicky Billou: And interestingly enough, once someone takes more than a superficial look at what he's saying, I don't think there's a thing you've said that he would disagree with because he himself takes a lot of time to recover and to be soft on himself.
• 19:52
  Nicky Billou: It's just in the moment that he's in the limelight, in the moment where the cameras are on, that's not how he acts.
• 20:02
  Nicky Billou: But once he's done one of these crazy stunts or the 263 mile race in the high desert and all of that, afterwards, it's all rest, recover.
• 20:14
  Nicky Billou: He's taken as much as a year, two years off and done nothing but help himself get better.
• 20:20
  Nicky Billou: And right now, lately, he's not pushing himself to the point of extreme fatigue and dehydration and breaking bones the way he did in the past.
• 20:34
  Nicky Billou: And probably because, well, he's a little older and the recovery from that isn't going to be as immediate as it was.
• 20:43
  Nicky Billou: You know, if he breaks his tibia, it's not a six week recovery.
• 20:49
  Nicky Billou: It's more like a six and a half month recovery if he's lucky.
• 20:52
  Nicky Billou: Right.
• 20:55
  Nicky Billou: And what I think about David, like, I love David Goggins.
• 20:58
  Nicky Billou: I love the energy he brings.
• 20:59
  Nicky Billou: I love all of it.
• 21:00
  Nicky Billou: Yes.
• 21:00
  Nicky Billou: But I think he's an angry man.
• 21:02
  Nicky Billou: I don't think he's a happy man.
• 21:04
  Nicky Billou: I think a lot of what's driving him is anger.
• 21:07
  Nicky Billou: And there's a, there's a writer by the name of David Hawkins, Dr. David Hawkins.
• 21:11
  Nicky Billou: He wrote a very beautiful book called power versus force.
• 21:14
  Nicky Billou: Are you familiar with that book or when?
• 21:16
  Nicky Billou: I'm not.
• 21:17
  Nicky Billou: So I strongly advise you to look into it.
• 21:20
  Nicky Billou: I think you'll like it very much.
• 21:21
  Nicky Billou: It's in keeping with your mindset.
• 21:23
  Nicky Billou: But in that book, one of the things he talks about is the frequency vibration of various emotional states that human beings go through.
• 21:34
  Nicky Billou: And the lowest frequency vibration is shame, which vibrates at 20 cycles.
• 21:41
  Nicky Billou: And the higher vibrations are, you know, like between 700 and 1,000.
• 21:46
  Nicky Billou: And here's the interesting thing. He says that each increase in number isn't linear, but exponential. So if you go from 30 to 60, you're not twice as good. You're like 600 times as good. You know what I mean? And when you get at the highest levels, these are the most evolved, powerful human beings on the planet.
• 22:07
  Nicky Billou: So he basically says that anger is a hundred in terms of its frequency vibration.
• 22:15
  Nicky Billou: And it's one of the lower emotional states, you know, to get out of the lower states,
• 22:22
  Nicky Billou: you have to go past anger to desire and want, and then willingness is, is neutral.
• 22:28
  Nicky Billou: And then you got to go to peace and love and people think peace and love make you weaker.
• 22:34
  Nicky Billou: But I actually tested this guy out when I think about, and you and I talked about what's going on in my country of Iran, right? And when I think about the people of Iran and the incredible bravery they have demonstrated, literally running into the mouths of guns with their bodies to beg for their freedom.
• 22:53
  Nicky Billou: I mean, this has got to be the absolute most astonishingly brave thing I've ever seen in
• 22:59
  Nicky Billou: my life.
• 22:59
  Nicky Billou: Anybody do.
• 23:00
  Nicky Billou: And these are kids that are doing it, which just blows my mind.
• 23:04
  Nicky Billou: As an Iranian, I've had a bunch of emotions go through me, you know, from sadness to,
• 23:09
  Nicky Billou: to, to anger, to pride.
• 23:12
  Nicky Billou: And even pride is a lower level emotion.
• 23:15
  Nicky Billou: But then, then all of a sudden I went to love.
• 23:18
  Nicky Billou: I went to my love for my people and for these people.
• 23:21
  Nicky Billou: And Erwin, there was a strength in my body that was a hundred times the strength of anger.
• 23:27
  Nicky Billou: A hundred thousand times the strength of anger.
• 23:31
  Nicky Billou: Like I could move a freaking mountain from love where from anger, I couldn't.
• 23:36
  Nicky Billou: You know what I'm saying?
• 23:38
  Nicky Billou: I know exactly what you're saying.
• 23:40
  Nicky Billou: See, this is why I say you're like the French David Goggins, but maybe a little bit more evolved.
• 23:46
  Erwan Le Corre: And here's the thing.
• 23:47
  Erwan Le Corre: Is there wise of you to look at it that way?
• 23:50
  Erwan Le Corre: from the emotional and energetic standpoint of experience.
• 23:56
  Nicky Billou: And not that I want to be overly philosophical here,
• 24:00
  Erwan Le Corre: but even when we talk about philosophy, what exactly is philosophy?
• 24:04
  Erwan Le Corre: Standpoint, opinion, perspective, insight.
• 24:09
  Erwan Le Corre: What does that actually mean?
• 24:12
  Erwan Le Corre: It means the acknowledgement that what we are in essence is consciousness
• 24:18
  Erwan Le Corre: and or spirit that's the same because we we don't have a soul we are one we are soul and therefore
• 24:30
  Erwan Le Corre: as a soul we are 24 7 in a continuum experiencing ourselves spiritually there's no switch off
• 24:41
  Erwan Le Corre: And in that spiritual experience that we are, there are emotions involved.
• 24:48
  Erwan Le Corre: And emotions are the most important because only psychopaths do not experience emotions.
• 24:54
  Nicky Billou: Correct.
• 24:55
  Erwan Le Corre: A healthy soul will experience and must experience emotions.
• 25:03
  Erwan Le Corre: And now, typically we talk about good and bad ones or negative and positive ones.
• 25:09
  Nicky Billou: Yes.
• 25:10
  Erwan Le Corre: I like to separate them differently because it is indeed a spectrum, but it's also binary.
• 25:17
  Erwan Le Corre: There are the pleasant ones and the unpleasant ones.
• 25:21
  Erwan Le Corre: So some people may find energized through anger.
• 25:26
  Erwan Le Corre: So they will leverage that emotion to create something, to obtain something, to push something.
• 25:34
  Erwan Le Corre: But regardless of the agenda behind it, and regardless of what they're after through that anger, regardless of the external context, what country is it, who is involved when, etc.
• 25:46
  Erwan Le Corre: The context of the contrast of this time and space and place where we are.
• 25:54
  Erwan Le Corre: At an emotional level, what they will experience is that emotion and the energy of it.
• 25:59
  Erwan Le Corre: And that is a choice.
• 26:02
  Erwan Le Corre: It is a choice.
• 26:04
  Erwan Le Corre: So when we become single focused on one mindset and one emotion and one type of energy, it's very monodimensional at a spiritual level.
• 26:19
  Erwan Le Corre: And it can be definitely unpleasant, not just in the moment such unpleasant emotion is experienced.
• 26:29
  Erwan Le Corre: Depression, jealousy, anger, fear, impatience, frustration, I probably said it.
• 26:36
  Erwan Le Corre: All of those emotions that nobody actually likes.
• 26:40
  Erwan Le Corre: Nobody wants to be chronically experiencing those.
• 26:45
  Erwan Le Corre: And yet some people actually are chronically in those states.
• 26:50
  Erwan Le Corre: And this can be shifted.
• 26:52
  Erwan Le Corre: This can be shifted.
• 26:53
  Erwan Le Corre: And that's the real spiritual work is how much time.
• 26:56
  Erwan Le Corre: Because nobody's going to be perfect.
• 26:57
  Erwan Le Corre: Nobody is going to avoid ever experiencing bouts of unpleasantness through anger, through depression, through self-doubt, through powerlessness, through sadness, frustration, jealousy, all of those, impatience, all of those.
• 27:14
  Erwan Le Corre: But through commitment to what you choose to experience, who you choose to be through what you choose to experience, means the emotions that you choose to experience.
• 27:25
  Erwan Le Corre: because nobody's emotionless.
• 27:27
  Erwan Le Corre: Even the Stoics are mistaken into thinking
• 27:30
  Erwan Le Corre: that they are not experiencing emotions.
• 27:32
  Erwan Le Corre: They're just trying to, you know,
• 27:36
  Erwan Le Corre: broom them under the carpet.
• 27:38
  Nicky Billou: Yes, true.
• 27:39
  Erwan Le Corre: Yes.
• 27:40
  Erwan Le Corre: When we understand that, what's going to happen
• 27:42
  Erwan Le Corre: when we do that work?
• 27:44
  Erwan Le Corre: The bouts of unpleasantness,
• 27:45
  Erwan Le Corre: the bouts of low energy, low frequency,
• 27:48
  Erwan Le Corre: unpleasant emotions,
• 27:49
  Erwan Le Corre: their frequency is going to be less and less.
• 27:53
  Erwan Le Corre: It's going to happen less and less often.
• 27:55
  Erwan Le Corre: Good news.
• 27:56
  Erwan Le Corre: Very good news.
• 27:57
  Erwan Le Corre: When that will happen, they will reach less intensity.
• 28:00
  Erwan Le Corre: Great news.
• 28:02
  Erwan Le Corre: And when finally they happen, they will last less time.
• 28:07
  Erwan Le Corre: So we'll get to experience those bouts of unpleasantness less frequently with less intensity and less time.
• 28:13
  Erwan Le Corre: Only if we do the work of metacognition, metacognitive awareness, and metacognitive control.
• 28:20
  Erwan Le Corre: What does that mean?
• 28:22
  Erwan Le Corre: If awareness simply means the mind that I am, the soul that I am, observes itself.
• 28:28
  Erwan Le Corre: Realize it is, oh, I'm doing this.
• 28:30
  Erwan Le Corre: And I'm in that state.
• 28:32
  Erwan Le Corre: I'm in that emotion.
• 28:33
  Erwan Le Corre: I have that agenda.
• 28:34
  Erwan Le Corre: I have that intention.
• 28:36
  Erwan Le Corre: And this is what I'm experiencing.
• 28:37
  Erwan Le Corre: That self-awareness.
• 28:39
  Erwan Le Corre: Once you're there and you're making that observation, and if you observe it, it's all negative.
• 28:44
  Erwan Le Corre: What do you do?
• 28:45
  Erwan Le Corre: Be like, oh, that's the way it is.
• 28:47
  Erwan Le Corre: There's nothing I can do about it.
• 28:50
  Erwan Le Corre: That's disempowerment.
• 28:51
  Erwan Le Corre: No.
• 28:52
  Erwan Le Corre: Then you switch to metacognitive control or self-filtration.
• 28:57
  Erwan Le Corre: Out of your pure intention, you decide, okay, I'm going to switch to a different emotion.
• 29:01
  Erwan Le Corre: I'm going to switch to a different thought pattern.
• 29:04
  Erwan Le Corre: I'm going to switch to a different experience.
• 29:06
  Erwan Le Corre: Why?
• 29:07
  Erwan Le Corre: One, because I want.
• 29:09
  Erwan Le Corre: That's my desire.
• 29:10
  Erwan Le Corre: It's a better experience, a more pleasant experience.
• 29:13
  Erwan Le Corre: Two, because I believe I can.
• 29:15
  Erwan Le Corre: Yes.
• 29:17
  Erwan Le Corre: Three, because I know I can.
• 29:18
  Erwan Le Corre: I have experience.
• 29:19
  Erwan Le Corre: I've done it.
• 29:20
  Erwan Le Corre: It's in my power.
• 29:22
  Erwan Le Corre: It's in my practice.
• 29:23
  Erwan Le Corre: It's in my experience.
• 29:24
  Erwan Le Corre: It's in my ability.
• 29:25
  Erwan Le Corre: I've built that ability.
• 29:26
  Erwan Le Corre: That's, to me, the name of the game.
• 29:29
  Erwan Le Corre: Otherwise, we keep on going through experiences somehow randomly, not looking at the actual patterns of our master beliefs in our head that make us reproduce the exact same experiences.
• 29:43
  Nicky Billou: The exact same crappy experiences.
• 29:46
  Erwan Le Corre: I think it's important to qualify that.
• 29:49
  Erwan Le Corre: Yes.
• 29:49
  Erwan Le Corre: So, Nikki, what was I looking for when I was a kid and going in the woods and climbing trees and jumping from boulder to boulder?
• 30:01
  Erwan Le Corre: Not technical skills, just feeling of freedom, feeling of naturalness, feeling of joy, feeling of capability,
• 30:12
  Erwan Le Corre: And therefore of self-confidence and self-esteem through lived experience, physical capability that obviously requires mental capability.
• 30:24
  Erwan Le Corre: I am able today to put words on that.
• 30:27
  Erwan Le Corre: But then as a little kid, it was just experiential.
• 30:31
  Erwan Le Corre: And then what I realized is that many of the endeavors, many of my persons later in life, were about doing more of that and gaining more experience in that.
• 30:45
  Erwan Le Corre: And ultimately, I turned this into methods that could be explained and taught to serve others, to help people.
• 30:56
  Erwan Le Corre: Listen up, everybody. Whoever is listening to this, why would you listen to Nikki and I having this conversation? Why? Oh, I'm curious. Oh, it's interesting. Of course. Gain. Reward. You're looking for what?
• 31:11
  Erwan Le Corre: You're looking for insights or tips that are valuable enough that they could dictate a change in your choices and behaviors.
• 31:24
  Erwan Le Corre: And why would you do that?
• 31:26
  Erwan Le Corre: Because you expect a betterment, an improvement of the experience that you are, not because or only because you've learned some inspiring or interesting or valuable insight.
• 31:41
  Erwan Le Corre: But because it led you to an application, a practical application in your life.
• 31:49
  Nicky Billou: Yes.
• 31:50
  Erwan Le Corre: That instantly changes your experience in mind, in emotion, in spirit, in body.
• 31:56
  Erwan Le Corre: And you're like, wow, that's different.
• 31:58
  Erwan Le Corre: But different doesn't matter.
• 32:01
  Erwan Le Corre: It's not about being different.
• 32:02
  Erwan Le Corre: It's about better.
• 32:03
  Erwan Le Corre: That's what we will all want.
• 32:05
  Erwan Le Corre: Better.
• 32:06
  Erwan Le Corre: We always want better.
• 32:07
  Erwan Le Corre: It's always about that refinement, that improvement, that recalibration that makes things better than they were.
• 32:14
  Erwan Le Corre: And when I say things in the end, it's not about things.
• 32:19
  Erwan Le Corre: It's not about anything external.
• 32:21
  Erwan Le Corre: It's about you, you, your soul, your experience in the moment, whenever that is, wherever you are.
• 32:30
  Erwan Le Corre: It's about that feeling where I'm having a good experience.
• 32:34
  Erwan Le Corre: I am being a good experience, an experience that I can trust, that I can be proud of, that I can respect.
• 32:41
  Erwan Le Corre: And that's just to begin with, that just feels good.
• 32:45
  Erwan Le Corre: And that's what we want, all of us.
• 32:47
  Erwan Le Corre: And so when I talk about all these ideas and insights, all I'm doing is a transmission.
• 32:53
  Erwan Le Corre: It's conveying through my words insights that I hope will be received and felt and understood.
• 33:01
  Erwan Le Corre: and hopefully and most importantly, to a degree, applied so that they can benefit.
• 33:07
  Erwan Le Corre: And only until the insight is applied is it turning to an experience that you can experience.
• 33:14
  Erwan Le Corre: Experience the experience.
• 33:16
  Erwan Le Corre: Now, you are in control.
• 33:18
  Erwan Le Corre: You're in power.
• 33:18
  Erwan Le Corre: Nobody can do it for you.
• 33:20
  Erwan Le Corre: It's in your hands.
• 33:21
  Erwan Le Corre: But you learn the insights.
• 33:23
  Erwan Le Corre: You learn the tools.
• 33:26
  Erwan Le Corre: Sometimes you need an external guidance to somehow minister you.
• 33:32
  Erwan Le Corre: But you know the metaphor about teaching a man to fish so he's never hungry?
• 33:36
  Erwan Le Corre: Well, ultimately, the metacognitive skill is to learn to minister yourself.
• 33:43
  Erwan Le Corre: Learn to coach yourself.
• 33:45
  Erwan Le Corre: And to do that, you need to be not permanently, not constantly, but very frequently attentive to the way that you behave in your inner self.
• 33:57
  Erwan Le Corre: That's metacognition.
• 33:58
  Erwan Le Corre: That's metacognitive awareness.
• 34:00
  Erwan Le Corre: And when it's not aligned with your set of values, with your methods, and with your expectation, it doesn't feel good,
• 34:10
  Erwan Le Corre: Then you minister yourself, metacognitive control,
• 34:15
  Erwan Le Corre: so that you can alter the experience that you are
• 34:18
  Erwan Le Corre: and feel good and feel better.
• 34:20
  Erwan Le Corre: That's what it is all about.
• 34:21
  Erwan Le Corre: This is the game of life.
• 34:23
  Nicky Billou: It's a beautiful game, man.
• 34:24
  Nicky Billou: It's a beautiful game.
• 34:27
  Nicky Billou: I really enjoyed this conversation.
• 34:28
  Nicky Billou: It's gone in a beautiful direction.
• 34:31
  Nicky Billou: So, Erwin, on your Wikipedia page,
• 34:37
  Nicky Billou: It talks a bit about your time working with the methods of a French naval officer named Georges Hébert.
• 34:50
  Nicky Billou: And it says here the method that Hébert created was known as la méthode naturelle.
• 34:57
  Nicky Billou: And then it says here that you took what you learned from that and you created MoveNAT out of that work.
• 35:04
  Nicky Billou: Why don't you describe all that for us?
• 35:07
  Erwan Le Corre: Okay.
• 35:08
  Erwan Le Corre: So this man, like you said, was a naval officer,
• 35:13
  Erwan Le Corre: and he was not particularly athletic.
• 35:17
  Erwan Le Corre: He was a naval officer before the emergence of steamboats
• 35:25
  Erwan Le Corre: and powered vessels.
• 35:29
  Erwan Le Corre: So basically, he was a French Navy officer during the last times where they still were sailing those boats, big boats with big sails.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 35:42
  Erwan Le Corre: So what were his observations?
• 35:45
  Erwan Le Corre: Because he grew up and lived originally in Paris, so he was an urban person.
• 35:54
  Erwan Le Corre: And now he's an officer who is leading teams, like crews of sailors.
• 36:02
  Erwan Le Corre: Can you imagine what it took physically and mentally to be a sailor back then?
• 36:06
  Erwan Le Corre: Imagine in the storm and you don't have a vortex and you don't have a harnesses for your safety.
• 36:13
  Erwan Le Corre: And you need to climb rope ladders to go then fold or unfold very large sails made of hemp.
• 36:24
  Erwan Le Corre: And then they're soaked with water, very heavy.
• 36:27
  Erwan Le Corre: And everything is slippery because everything is wooden surfaces.
• 36:31
  Erwan Le Corre: And you can easily, you know, man at sea, you know, you can easily fall overboard and be gone forever.
• 36:38
  Erwan Le Corre: Can you imagine the physical and mental toughness of these sailors back then?
• 36:43
  Nicky Billou: Incredible.
• 36:45
  Nicky Billou: Absolutely incredible.
• 36:46
  Erwan Le Corre: Yes.
• 36:46
  Erwan Le Corre: So he was impressed by that already.
• 36:49
  Erwan Le Corre: Then they visited colonies like in Africa, in Vietnam, Asia.
• 36:56
  Erwan Le Corre: And what he encountered were people that were still hunter-gatherers.
• 37:03
  Erwan Le Corre: And so they were still very strong, very healthy, living completely natural lives.
• 37:09
  Erwan Le Corre: eating local and seasonal and doing all kinds of physical chores every day,
• 37:13
  Erwan Le Corre: carrying things, climbing trees, crossing rivers, et cetera, et cetera.
• 37:19
  Erwan Le Corre: And he was impressed by their physical abilities
• 37:23
  Erwan Le Corre: and also by their physical athleticism.
• 37:26
  Erwan Le Corre: It didn't matter.
• 37:27
  Erwan Le Corre: Some of them were more on the skinny side.
• 37:30
  Erwan Le Corre: It didn't matter.
• 37:31
  Erwan Le Corre: They were all lean and muscular and strong and capable.
• 37:35
  Erwan Le Corre: He thought that was remarkable.
• 37:37
  Erwan Le Corre: And then he was also interested in the history of physical education.
• 37:43
  Erwan Le Corre: So he looked into how did the ancient Greeks train?
• 37:47
  Erwan Le Corre: How did they train in the medieval times?
• 37:49
  Erwan Le Corre: And what for?
• 37:50
  Erwan Le Corre: And he realized they were training for war.
• 37:54
  Erwan Le Corre: They were training for tough times.
• 37:57
  Erwan Le Corre: But they didn't have a concept of bodybuilding, of muscle isolation, of modern gyms.
• 38:07
  Erwan Le Corre: and dissociation with strength and cardio and things like that.
• 38:12
  Erwan Le Corre: So how did they become fit?
• 38:15
  Erwan Le Corre: They were training natural movements.
• 38:18
  Erwan Le Corre: They were training.
• 38:20
  Erwan Le Corre: They were running.
• 38:20
  Erwan Le Corre: They were jumping and landing.
• 38:22
  Erwan Le Corre: They were throwing things, catching things, cooling things, climbing, horse riding,
• 38:30
  Erwan Le Corre: training with weapons, learning to fast, learning to endure heat or cold.
• 38:37
  Erwan Le Corre: or mud and different terrains and snow and you name it.
• 38:40
  Erwan Le Corre: They were training all these things.
• 38:42
  Erwan Le Corre: They were training to yell.
• 38:44
  Erwan Le Corre: They were training to hide.
• 38:46
  Erwan Le Corre: They were training to do a number of things.
• 38:49
  Erwan Le Corre: But the overlap, the foundation was, can you run?
• 38:53
  Erwan Le Corre: Can you jump?
• 38:54
  Erwan Le Corre: Can you climb?
• 38:55
  Erwan Le Corre: Can you lift and carry?
• 38:56
  Erwan Le Corre: Can you throw things, et cetera?
• 38:58
  Erwan Le Corre: And so he decided that he would create a method to teach that.
• 39:04
  Erwan Le Corre: And they were doing the same in Germany.
• 39:06
  Erwan Le Corre: They're doing the same in Italy already.
• 39:10
  Erwan Le Corre: So it's a long line of people.
• 39:12
  Erwan Le Corre: And he happened to be at some time on that timeline.
• 39:18
  Erwan Le Corre: And then I arrived later on in that timeline as well through my method,
• 39:23
  Erwan Le Corre: which is a revamped and I believe a much improved version of that older method.
• 39:33
  Erwan Le Corre: And I've written about why is it that it's different?
• 39:36
  Erwan Le Corre: What is it that I brought in to make it better?
• 39:39
  Erwan Le Corre: But the spirit, the sentiment and the expectation and the ethics remain the same.
• 39:47
  Erwan Le Corre: And by the way, what this man believed and that I believe too, he believed in what he called physical morality.
• 39:54
  Erwan Le Corre: He believed that it was a moral duty for every citizen, every person who is part of any community to keep themselves physically capable, to never become physically useless or helpless.
• 40:08
  Erwan Le Corre: And I believe in that too.
• 40:09
  Erwan Le Corre: I agree.
• 40:10
  Erwan Le Corre: Especially this modern era.
• 40:12
  Erwan Le Corre: So if anything happens, it's not time to do yoga or play ping pong, all right?
• 40:18
  Erwan Le Corre: It's probably time to run for your life or to go help someone, maybe to carry them on your back, to pass some obstacle, jumping or climbing so that you can go help yourself out of a tight spot or help somebody out of tight spot.
• 40:34
  Erwan Le Corre: If you want to be capable of doing that, going to the gym is not going to cut it.
• 40:39
  Erwan Le Corre: There's a specific training that you need to do.
• 40:41
  Erwan Le Corre: And that's the way that he trained people back then.
• 40:44
  Erwan Le Corre: And that's the way that I've been training my students and, you know, our people since then.
• 40:48
  Erwan Le Corre: So it's been 20 years now.
• 40:50
  Erwan Le Corre: Yeah.
• 40:51
  Erwan Le Corre: That's the idea.
• 40:53
  Erwan Le Corre: That's the idea.
• 40:54
  Erwan Le Corre: That's what firefighters do, by the way.
• 40:57
  Nicky Billou: Yeah.
• 40:57
  Nicky Billou: Erwin, you are truly a one of one when it comes to this type of thought leadership.
• 41:06
  Nicky Billou: I don't think there's anyone else in the world that has your capacity for understanding and teaching this and has it rooted in the historical teachings of the masters of yesteryear. And the fact that you did this and you then moved on to create your breath hold work, to me is utterly astounding. So speak a little bit about the breath hold work and then we'll wrap up.
• 41:33
  Erwan Le Corre: Sure. To hold one's breath, what happens? You hold your breath. Whoever has tried to do that, and I think that everyone has tried at least once in their life to hold their breath, see how it works. They've quickly realized, oh my goodness, this is the worst thing ever.
• 41:50
  Erwan Le Corre: Yeah, it's tough.
• 41:51
  Erwan Le Corre: Because you're not meeting a lion or some kind of predator.
• 41:57
  Erwan Le Corre: There's nothing external to threaten you because the threat is within.
• 42:01
  Erwan Le Corre: It's in your physiology.
• 42:03
  Erwan Le Corre: What's the threat?
• 42:04
  Erwan Le Corre: The threat that you're going to die because you're going to run out of oxygen.
• 42:07
  Erwan Le Corre: So fortunately, we all have those survival mechanisms in place to wake us up through extremely unpleasant sensations to become agitated.
• 42:18
  Erwan Le Corre: Why?
• 42:18
  Erwan Le Corre: Well, to fix the problem, to find a solution to the problem, to return to normal, which is what? Breathing.
• 42:24
  Erwan Le Corre: So when you hold your breath, you trigger what's literally a death threat.
• 42:30
  Erwan Le Corre: Because you consciously know, but you also unconsciously know, means your whole nervous system knows and can literally calculate how much time left you have with the oxygen reserves you have in your body.
• 42:43
  Erwan Le Corre: And say, if we don't fix this now or quickly, it's the end.
• 42:47
  Erwan Le Corre: And no biological system wants to be over.
• 42:51
  Erwan Le Corre: We want to live.
• 42:53
  Erwan Le Corre: Okay.
• 42:54
  Erwan Le Corre: So once you understand that, then the next question is like, okay, but why would I do that?
• 42:58
  Erwan Le Corre: It's stupid.
• 42:58
  Erwan Le Corre: It's just suffering for no reason.
• 43:00
  Erwan Le Corre: Wait a moment.
• 43:01
  Erwan Le Corre: Wait a moment.
• 43:02
  Erwan Le Corre: Is there any value there?
• 43:03
  Erwan Le Corre: Is there any opportunity?
• 43:05
  Erwan Le Corre: Yes.
• 43:06
  Erwan Le Corre: What is it?
• 43:07
  Erwan Le Corre: Okay.
• 43:08
  Erwan Le Corre: We all want to be comfortable in our life.
• 43:11
  Erwan Le Corre: We all want to be confident, composed, patient, to have clarity.
• 43:17
  Erwan Le Corre: to have composure, to have resiliency.
• 43:20
  Erwan Le Corre: All the qualities of a human being that make life not necessarily easy,
• 43:26
  Erwan Le Corre: but easier, way easier than if we were helpless, powerless, confused, weak,
• 43:36
  Erwan Le Corre: no commitment, no whatever.
• 43:39
  Erwan Le Corre: All these traits that we know are not desirable.
• 43:44
  Erwan Le Corre: Everyone knows that.
• 43:45
  Erwan Le Corre: It's not desirable to be weak.
• 43:48
  Erwan Le Corre: It's desirable to be strong, not just through our muscles, not just through the body, at all levels of strength.
• 43:55
  Erwan Le Corre: It's desirable to have clarity or hopefully a degree of intelligence, of insight, of wisdom, instead of being somehow unaware, mindless, unwise.
• 44:08
  Erwan Le Corre: We all know what value is.
• 44:12
  Erwan Le Corre: Okay, so we know that it's possible to train the body, but is it possible to train the mind?
• 44:19
  Erwan Le Corre: Yes.
• 44:19
  Erwan Le Corre: Now, how do we do that?
• 44:21
  Erwan Le Corre: So it's not about just learning new knowledge or more knowledge.
• 44:25
  Erwan Le Corre: You could spend a whole lifetime learning by heart encyclopedias of knowledge, and you're still not done, even if you had the greatest memory.
• 44:36
  Erwan Le Corre: And with that extra intellectual conceptual knowledge, does that mean that you have inner strength, composure, emotional resiliency, clarity, wisdom?
• 44:46
  Erwan Le Corre: No.
• 44:46
  Erwan Le Corre: So you have not helped those desirable traits that you want, that maybe you already possess to a degree, but that you could always improve.
• 44:57
  Erwan Le Corre: So how would you do that?
• 44:59
  Erwan Le Corre: Well, hold your breath, not randomly, not for the sake of suffering, but for the sake of leveraging a tremendous opportunity, the opportunity to induce intentionally a mild and temporary level of stress that creates a window where you can self-alter your response.
• 45:22
  Erwan Le Corre: Again, metacognitive awareness.
• 45:25
  Erwan Le Corre: Oh, I'm suffering.
• 45:27
  Erwan Le Corre: Oh, I'm impatient.
• 45:28
  Erwan Le Corre: Oh, I don't think I can keep doing that.
• 45:29
  Erwan Le Corre: Oh, I don't want to do it.
• 45:31
  Erwan Le Corre: Oh, it sucks.
• 45:32
  Erwan Le Corre: Okay, you're aware of that.
• 45:34
  Erwan Le Corre: Good assessment.
• 45:35
  Erwan Le Corre: Oh, my mind is racing.
• 45:37
  Erwan Le Corre: Oh, it's all negative thoughts.
• 45:39
  Erwan Le Corre: Great, that's the assessment.
• 45:40
  Erwan Le Corre: That's the awareness.
• 45:41
  Erwan Le Corre: Now, what do you do with that?
• 45:44
  Erwan Le Corre: Do you want to change that?
• 45:45
  Erwan Le Corre: Okay, get to work.
• 45:46
  Erwan Le Corre: So, control, self-alteration.
• 45:50
  Erwan Le Corre: You can trigger a different response than the universally built-in response to that stress that is breath-following, neurophysiological stress.
• 46:01
  Erwan Le Corre: You can reverse engineer that.
• 46:05
  Erwan Le Corre: I call that the antidote.
• 46:07
  Erwan Le Corre: Now, you're impatient.
• 46:09
  Erwan Le Corre: You want patience.
• 46:09
  Erwan Le Corre: How do you get patience?
• 46:11
  Erwan Le Corre: You don't order it online, product unavailable on Amazon.
• 46:15
  Erwan Le Corre: You cannot swallow a pill that's going to give you patience.
• 46:21
  Erwan Le Corre: You cannot invite somebody in to coach you and, hey, give me patience.
• 46:25
  Erwan Le Corre: You need to originate all the qualities, all the traits, all the behaviors that are desirable to you.
• 46:32
  Erwan Le Corre: But the only way that you can do that is to expose yourself to the load, to the challenge, to the stress, strategically, mindfully.
• 46:41
  Erwan Le Corre: And when that stress happens and you observe, oh, I have those responses in me.
• 46:46
  Erwan Le Corre: Okay, flip that.
• 46:47
  Erwan Le Corre: Flip the script.
• 46:48
  Erwan Le Corre: Flip the belief.
• 46:50
  Erwan Le Corre: Don't believe that.
• 46:51
  Erwan Le Corre: Don't buy into it.
• 46:53
  Erwan Le Corre: You have the power to change it in the moment.
• 46:56
  Erwan Le Corre: So you are not going to have patience until, one, you choose it.
• 47:02
  Erwan Le Corre: Two, you produce it.
• 47:03
  Erwan Le Corre: You generate it.
• 47:04
  Erwan Le Corre: You originate it within.
• 47:07
  Erwan Le Corre: And once you learn to do that with frequency enough, it becomes an ingrained trait.
• 47:14
  Erwan Le Corre: It becomes in the flesh of your brain.
• 47:18
  Erwan Le Corre: It becomes neural pathways, means that it becomes a permanent feature of who you are.
• 47:24
  Erwan Le Corre: So it's you 2.0.
• 47:26
  Erwan Le Corre: It's you improved.
• 47:28
  Erwan Le Corre: It's an improved version of your neurophysiology.
• 47:32
  Erwan Le Corre: Therefore, it's an improved version of how you feel, of how you behave, and how you experience yourself.
• 47:40
  Erwan Le Corre: If you can do that through that practice in the little bubble of time, which is a breath hold that you do, recover, reset, do it again, recover, reset, do it again better, recover, reset, do it again better.
• 47:55
  Erwan Le Corre: just like sets and reps at the gym.
• 47:57
  Erwan Le Corre: You do that, you become good at it.
• 47:59
  Erwan Le Corre: You treat your mind like a skill
• 48:01
  Erwan Le Corre: and you practice the mind as a skill.
• 48:04
  Erwan Le Corre: What is the mind?
• 48:05
  Erwan Le Corre: Who is the mind?
• 48:05
  Erwan Le Corre: You are that mind.
• 48:07
  Erwan Le Corre: So we talked earlier about mindset.
• 48:09
  Erwan Le Corre: What is a mindset?
• 48:10
  Erwan Le Corre: It's the mind that you are that sets itself
• 48:13
  Erwan Le Corre: in a specific way.
• 48:16
  Erwan Le Corre: Now, here's the thing that's very important to understand.
• 48:18
  Erwan Le Corre: You don't do that just once in your life.
• 48:20
  Erwan Le Corre: It's just like when you tell your wife
• 48:21
  Erwan Le Corre: or your spouse, your partner,
• 48:24
  Erwan Le Corre: Hey, you know, I remember I told you I love you.
• 48:26
  Erwan Le Corre: I was two years ago.
• 48:27
  Erwan Le Corre: Hello.
• 48:28
  Erwan Le Corre: Every day you need to show signs of love.
• 48:30
  Erwan Le Corre: You open the door, do little things, you smile, you ask questions.
• 48:33
  Erwan Le Corre: How is your day?
• 48:34
  Erwan Le Corre: Things like that.
• 48:35
  Erwan Le Corre: How do you do that to yourself?
• 48:37
  Erwan Le Corre: How do you make it a habit to set your mind frequently to make it a new program, a permanent
• 48:46
  Erwan Le Corre: habit?
• 48:47
  Erwan Le Corre: It's all about repetition and it's all about familiarity.
• 48:52
  Erwan Le Corre: You need to provide your nervous system an experience that is repeated frequently enough and it becomes a habit, an evidence.
• 49:04
  Erwan Le Corre: So, yeah, that's who I am.
• 49:05
  Erwan Le Corre: Now, last thing I want to say, if you recalibrate your nervous system that way, the same brain, the same nervous system, the same spirit that has become good at handling that temporary mild stress in breath holding.
• 49:23
  Erwan Le Corre: He's better equipped to handle the contexts and situations of life that stress us in where we need an improved response that has more clarity, more patience, more self-confidence, et cetera.
• 49:40
  Erwan Le Corre: That's it.
• 49:41
  Erwan Le Corre: I love it.
• 49:43
  Erwan Le Corre: I have a hard time making things shorter than that.
• 49:46
  Nicky Billou: We'll talk.
• 49:47
  Nicky Billou: We'll talk offline.
• 49:49
  Nicky Billou: But Erwin, if people are interested in signing up for any of your programs, where do we send them?
• 49:56
  Erwan Le Corre: Absolutely.
• 49:57
  Erwan Le Corre: Go to breath, hold, work.
• 49:58
  Erwan Le Corre: Breath like breath, hold like hold, and work like work.com.
• 50:04
  Erwan Le Corre: And there is a masterclass that is going to teach you more than you could ever expect from such an e-course.
• 50:15
  Erwan Le Corre: You'll learn how to master your breathing.
• 50:18
  Erwan Le Corre: You learn how to meditate in a way that's never been taught to you, how to understand how your mind operates and how to make it function in a way that gets you the exact results that I mentioned.
• 50:35
  Erwan Le Corre: The clarity you want, the resiliency you want, all of that.
• 50:38
  Erwan Le Corre: That's really the name of the game.
• 50:39
  Erwan Le Corre: By the way, this is how I broke three times the U.S. national record for breath holding.
• 50:44
  Erwan Le Corre: It's because I use that method in myself.
• 50:47
  Erwan Le Corre: It's how I operate my mind.
• 50:49
  Erwan Le Corre: It's not just, oh, he's good with oxygen.
• 50:51
  Erwan Le Corre: No, it's about that mindset.
• 50:54
  Erwan Le Corre: So you can learn that.
• 50:55
  Erwan Le Corre: You're not powerless.
• 50:57
  Erwan Le Corre: You just haven't learned yet how to operate your mind.
• 51:00
  Erwan Le Corre: I'm going to teach you those tools.
• 51:02
  Erwan Le Corre: I'm going to teach you those tips.
• 51:03
  Erwan Le Corre: I'm going to teach you those insights and those exercises that are going to have an effect on you very powerfully and very quickly.
• 51:12
  Nicky Billou: I love it.
• 51:14
  Nicky Billou: Breathholdwork.com.
• 51:15
  Nicky Billou: We'll put that in the show notes.
• 51:16
  Nicky Billou: But when we end every episode by asking you, our guest expert, what are your top three
• 51:22
  Nicky Billou: expert action steps?
• 51:24
  Nicky Billou: These are your three best pieces of powerful, but succinct advice for my listener to implement
• 51:32
  Nicky Billou: immediately.
• 51:33
  Nicky Billou: What say you?
• 51:34
  Erwan Le Corre: Ryan, it's perfect because I just had that thought this morning.
• 51:38
  Erwan Le Corre: So one, valuing.
• 51:41
  Erwan Le Corre: Okay.
• 51:41
  Erwan Le Corre: Valuing, choosing, doing.
• 51:44
  Erwan Le Corre: Let me explain.
• 51:45
  Erwan Le Corre: Valuing is, what do you value?
• 51:46
  Erwan Le Corre: What do you want?
• 51:47
  Erwan Le Corre: What's desirable to you?
• 51:48
  Erwan Le Corre: Be very clear about that because you're going to engage your time, your effort, your attention
• 51:54
  Erwan Le Corre: into something.
• 51:55
  Erwan Le Corre: You'd better value it.
• 51:56
  Erwan Le Corre: It's very important to you.
• 51:57
  Erwan Le Corre: And you have to be clear about the what and the why.
• 52:00
  Erwan Le Corre: So that's number one, valuing.
• 52:02
  Erwan Le Corre: Two, choosing.
• 52:03
  Erwan Le Corre: You value something, but do you really choose it?
• 52:06
  Erwan Le Corre: This is the most important question also.
• 52:08
  Erwan Le Corre: It's two most important questions.
• 52:10
  Erwan Le Corre: Actually, that's three most important actions.
• 52:13
  Erwan Le Corre: After you know you value something, do you really choose it?
• 52:16
  Erwan Le Corre: It means, yeah, but there is, you know, I don't have time and whatnot.
• 52:21
  Erwan Le Corre: Okay, well, if you don't have time, if you're not going to make any time for it,
• 52:25
  Erwan Le Corre: if you're not going to put any effort in it, do you really value it?
• 52:30
  Erwan Le Corre: It means that you probably value other things more.
• 52:33
  Erwan Le Corre: So you need to have an alignment between valuing something
• 52:38
  Erwan Le Corre: or saying you value something and actually choosing it.
• 52:41
  Erwan Le Corre: Once you choose it, that's it.
• 52:43
  Erwan Le Corre: Now the next step is action, is doing.
• 52:46
  Erwan Le Corre: What do you do to make what you value and have chosen to become a reality for you?
• 52:54
  Erwan Le Corre: The doing is going to turn into the being.
• 52:57
  Erwan Le Corre: What you're going to choose to do, you're going to be that experience and become that experience,
• 53:03
  Erwan Le Corre: become the outcome of that action or that sequence of actions.
• 53:08
  Erwan Le Corre: So without the doing, the valuing and the choosing are inert.
• 53:13
  Erwan Le Corre: They're useless.
• 53:14
  Erwan Le Corre: Take action.
• 53:15
  Erwan Le Corre: It's pretty simple.
• 53:16
  Erwan Le Corre: It's a simple frame, but it works that way because those are universal principles.
• 53:22
  Erwan Le Corre: So that's a universal principle.
• 53:24
  Erwan Le Corre: Choose, well, value, choose and act upon.
• 53:28
  Erwan Le Corre: And then reward because that's what it is all about.
• 53:33
  Erwan Le Corre: Why do we have any intention in life?
• 53:35
  Erwan Le Corre: Intention.
• 53:36
  Erwan Le Corre: What's an intention?
• 53:38
  Erwan Le Corre: It's a desired turn into commitment.
• 53:42
  Erwan Le Corre: Why?
• 53:43
  Erwan Le Corre: Because there's an outcome we want.
• 53:45
  Erwan Le Corre: What is the outcome?
• 53:47
  Erwan Le Corre: It's always a reward.
• 53:48
  Erwan Le Corre: It's always something satisfactory, satisfying and rewarding.
• 53:53
  Erwan Le Corre: In the sense of what?
• 53:54
  Erwan Le Corre: In the form of what?
• 53:56
  Erwan Le Corre: How we feel?
• 53:56
  Erwan Le Corre: The experience.
• 53:57
  Erwan Le Corre: So it's always the name of the game.
• 54:00
  Erwan Le Corre: It's always about the experience.
• 54:02
  Erwan Le Corre: So you're not going to experience anything by just being.
• 54:06
  Erwan Le Corre: No.
• 54:06
  Erwan Le Corre: You need action.
• 54:08
  Erwan Le Corre: Action externally, action internally.
• 54:10
  Erwan Le Corre: It doesn't matter.
• 54:11
  Erwan Le Corre: You need action when you do that thing.
• 54:14
  Erwan Le Corre: You are being and becoming that thing.
• 54:17
  Erwan Le Corre: You are becoming that experience that you invite.
• 54:19
  Erwan Le Corre: So be clear, whatever it is, whatever pursuit it is, whatever endeavor it is, that it is in business, that it is in relationship, that it is an adventure, that it is in creativity, that it is in self-mastery.
• 54:31
  Erwan Le Corre: Use that operating system.
• 54:40
  Erwan Le Corre: Choose, well
• 54:41
  Erwan Le Corre: go for persistent action.
• 54:44
  Nicky Billou: I love it.
• 54:45
  Nicky Billou: Erwin, I really love this conversation.
• 54:48
  Nicky Billou: I loved our first conversation, but I love this one even more.
• 54:51
  Nicky Billou: Thank you so much for taking the time.
• 54:53
  Nicky Billou: It was incredible.
• 54:54
  Erwan Le Corre: Appreciate it, Nicky.
• 54:55
  Erwan Le Corre: Thank you.
• 54:56
  Erwan Le Corre: Thanks, Steve.
• 54:57
  Nicky Billou: And that wraps up another exciting episode of the podcast, The Thought Leader Revolution.
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  Nicky Billou: To find out more about today's amazing guests, the one and only, the legendary Erwin LaCour,
• 55:04
  Nicky Billou: go to the show notes at thethoughtleaderrevolution.com or wherever you happen to listen to this episode,
• 55:09
  Nicky Billou: be it iTunes, Spotify, Google Play, Rumble, YouTube, Audible, or what have you.
• 55:17
  Nicky Billou: Until next time, bye-bye.
• 55:21
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