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Unstoppable · Black Men Can't Jump [In Hollywood]

• 0:07
  [SPEAKER_06]: We're doing it, James.
• 0:08
  [SPEAKER_06]: We are doing it.
• 0:09
  [SPEAKER_06]: We are doing it.
• 0:10
  [SPEAKER_05]: Have we talked about wrestling and before, like, have we?
• 0:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, but we need to, James, because as a WWE fan, I feel like wrestling is wrestling.
• 0:22
  [SPEAKER_06]: Huh?
• 0:23
  [SPEAKER_06]: That's not the kind of wrestling, huh?
• 0:24
  [SPEAKER_06]: Was you, what are you talking about?
• 0:26
  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm talking about, like, this, like, in high school.
• 0:29
  [SPEAKER_06]: WWE and then, and then, and then, and then on to... No, I'm not, I'm certainly not talking about that.
• 0:34
  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm talking about...
• 0:35
  [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, nothing wrong with that.
• 0:36
  [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I loved that.
• 0:37
  [SPEAKER_06]: I watched, you know, I used to watch my DNA raw stuff.
• 0:41
  [SPEAKER_06]: Just watch that.
• 0:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Use to have you seen it?
• 0:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's a wonderful drawing.
• 0:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't keep it.
• 0:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well.
• 0:48
  [SPEAKER_06]: Wow.
• 0:49
  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm not saying that it's not.
• 0:50
  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm just saying I was talking.
• 0:52
  [SPEAKER_06]: All right, we feel like we got off.
• 0:54
  [SPEAKER_06]: We started immediately not on the same foot, which is on the wrong foot.
• 0:59
  [SPEAKER_06]: Okay, right.
• 1:00
  [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
• 1:00
  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm waiting.
• 1:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: You can't see that.
• 1:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: We do this movie, James.
• 1:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: You can't say anything about a foot.
• 1:06
  [SPEAKER_06]: Okay, first of all, yes you can.
• 1:07
  [SPEAKER_06]: You can talk about that.
• 1:08
  [SPEAKER_06]: You can do that.
• 1:09
  [SPEAKER_06]: you can you can address you can address feet you can say you're on the wrong foot okay, it's not a dig or a comet
• 1:21
  [SPEAKER_06]: It's not me.
• 1:22
  [SPEAKER_06]: What?
• 1:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, listen, let's just say, you know, you dig y'all grave, but techno.
• 1:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no, no, no, you know, we haven't talked about wrestling because I haven't been any wrestling movies.
• 1:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we got a bit you feeling on us with everybody.
• 1:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: We started this podcast a long time ago, we went through a phase where there were so many black movies that
• 1:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Honestly, we had some that we could like pick and choose over the last year, the black lead studio film has dwindled to such an extent that it has been so hard to find movies.
• 1:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: In such a way where I'm like,
• 1:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's funny because I was looking at the Oscar nomination.
• 2:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Can we talk about the Oscars for a second?
• 2:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Just for a quick second.
• 2:04
  [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, you know, Bray is going to want to participate in.
• 2:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's here.
• 2:07
  [SPEAKER_06]: He ain't here.
• 2:08
  [SPEAKER_06]: He ain't here.
• 2:09
  [SPEAKER_06]: All right.
• 2:09
  [SPEAKER_06]: What do you want to say about the Oscars?
• 2:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, my part, my man ain't no a time.
• 2:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 2:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 2:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, y'all, listen to this episode.
• 2:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Drag him.
• 2:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, but I think about it, we have less black films being made, but if you were to look at the Oscars this year, you would think that we're in a surplus and then you look back and realize that most of those nominees are from two movies, literally like, think about it.
• 2:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: We have two black women nominated for Best Supporting Actors, we have a black man nominated for Best Actor.
• 2:47
  [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, but then my like overall question would sort of be like, I mean, like, yes, it does sort of it is just these two movies mostly it's mostly those two movies where it wouldn't even have like do's in it.
• 3:02
  [SPEAKER_06]: Right, right, it doesn't got a few black women in it though.
• 3:05
  [SPEAKER_06]: It has a few black women in it.
• 3:07
  [SPEAKER_06]: It's true by nature.
• 3:08
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, needing to cast Leo by nature of it being important to that Leo was a lead and there are think about how funny that is that movie is about a revolutionary and it ends up being a tall blonde white man.
• 3:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, tall blonde white men, but they've got to be one.
• 3:29
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, right there.
• 3:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: The revolution he's dealing with is like literally black and brown.
• 3:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, yo, someone broke down that movie to me recently and I just thought back to.
• 3:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh,
• 3:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: Is this movie problematic?
• 3:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know what I mean?
• 3:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like, is it doing the old trope?
• 3:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: We just haven't seen it in so long.
• 3:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: But also we can, like, cheers.
• 3:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: Tiana Taylor so much that we, like, let it go.
• 3:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: That is doing some of these things.
• 3:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 3:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry.
• 3:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'll bring that up because, you know.
• 3:58
  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, I mean, you know, you can't Hollywood is gonna Hollywood no matter what happens.
• 4:04
  [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, that's just unstoppable.
• 4:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: James, what did you, what did you do?
• 4:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know what you know what style of Clip that off.
• 4:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: That was better than anyone Great lockers have ever done That was that was better than anyone Great lockers Scallot when he pops on please.
• 4:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's make no But he has failed at his opening bit.
• 4:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
• 4:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: Everyone again.
• 4:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: Dragon again.
• 4:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
• 4:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
• 4:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's start the show
• 4:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, can't jump.
• 4:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I
• 5:06
  [SPEAKER_06]: or I'm nothing.
• 5:07
  [SPEAKER_06]: Woo!
• 5:09
  [SPEAKER_06]: The line was so like that.
• 5:10
  [SPEAKER_06]: There's not exactly the one, but it was something.
• 5:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: But it was like, you know, and then there'd be like, I came in second, which means I'm nothing.
• 5:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've done nothing.
• 5:18
  [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I'm coming on.
• 5:20
  [SPEAKER_06]: I, you know, when you started a movie like this, you already have an idea of like what you're getting into, but they was tugging at all the hard strings and they was doing all the, I was on this journey.
• 5:32
  [SPEAKER_06]: Bro, they were like, I was on this journey.
• 5:35
  [SPEAKER_06]: We're gonna wait.
• 5:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry.
• 5:36
  [SPEAKER_06]: Are you wearing a Michael Jackson bad shirt?
• 5:38
  [SPEAKER_06]: Could you wear it?
• 5:40
  [SPEAKER_06]: All right.
• 5:40
  [SPEAKER_06]: Don't do that.
• 5:42
  [SPEAKER_06]: We can get that shirt from no.
• 5:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: I do want.
• 5:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: There is a random, uh, hello, everyone.
• 5:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, we're going to get into the podcast, but I want everyone to know there's a random t-shirt like band t-shirt place off of mellows.
• 5:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: I do not know the name, but they have a bunch of old band t-shirts and I have like, a lot.
• 6:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: I like it.
• 6:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: I like it.
• 6:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: I like this store.
• 6:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: I like it.
• 6:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Please.
• 6:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, with that folks, this is black man can't jump in Hollywood.
• 6:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: We are a film review podcast, we break down films, starring leading black actors or actors
• 6:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'd like it to be a studio picture, okay?
• 6:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: One that gets into the theaters, one that gets some screens.
• 6:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: One with the back and behind it, tell them James, okay?
• 6:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
• 6:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now again, this movie we're doing.
• 6:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: I can't wait to describe it everyone, because it is very interesting.
• 6:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: The voice you hear right now is that of Gerard Milligan.
• 6:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm James III.
• 6:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: It sounded wonderful.
• 6:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: If you're missing the voice of John,
• 6:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's the whole thing.
• 6:44
  [SPEAKER_05]: He, you know, he, you know, he had to explain it.
• 6:47
  [SPEAKER_06]: If he was doing another podcast, we're going to be real.
• 6:50
  [SPEAKER_06]: He was doing another podcast.
• 6:51
  [SPEAKER_06]: That was what he was doing.
• 6:53
  [SPEAKER_06]: He was doing another podcast and then, but he had to do it.
• 6:56
  [SPEAKER_06]: You know, I mean, he had to do it.
• 6:57
  [SPEAKER_06]: It's one of those, he was obsessed.
• 7:00
  [SPEAKER_06]: It's one of those ones when you get booked.
• 7:01
  [SPEAKER_06]: You know, and you're like, oh, snap, I'm booked on this podcast.
• 7:04
  [SPEAKER_06]: How come, how can you know why people never book me on the podcast?
• 7:07
  [SPEAKER_06]: You gotta ask, bro.
• 7:10
  [SPEAKER_06]: You said we can ask, we can ask him when he pops on, but the times that I've done it, I asked.
• 7:17
  [SPEAKER_06]: I had to ask first.
• 7:19
  [SPEAKER_06]: You, it came from me.
• 7:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: So just, but then, but then once you ask, you might get booked, you know, I'm saying, okay, okay, but see, you know, who knows?
• 7:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: Who knows what happened?
• 7:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: Who knows, but everyone, we are a viewing the movie unstoppable and much to my
• 7:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: The 2024 Sundance movie Unstoppable Star and Gerald Droom, Gerald Droom is Don Chido, Bobby Kanabale.
• 7:54
  [SPEAKER_06]: Michael T Williamson, my man, Michael T showed up.
• 7:58
  [SPEAKER_06]: And Michael T showed up, I wasn't even looking at the screen.
• 8:01
  [SPEAKER_06]: He started talking, I was like, Michael T, I knew it was him immediately.
• 8:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, it was Michael T. I know.
• 8:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's funny because, um,
• 8:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, this is a guy in real life.
• 8:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is autobiographical film about pro wrestler who is a wrestler.
• 8:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: How do you say this?
• 8:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: How do I say it appropriately?
• 8:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: He lives with a disability he has one leg.
• 8:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Anthony Robells, real life dude.
• 8:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: He is 37 years old in real life.
• 8:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: So this is a fairly recent story.
• 8:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, this movie came out.
• 8:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think it was straight to streaming.
• 8:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to believe there's a box office for it.
• 8:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's see.
• 8:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: I remember hearing about this movie when the first came out, I thought it was going to have, I think you would thought it was going to have some Oscar buzz or a lot of surprise.
• 8:48
  [SPEAKER_06]: It didn't.
• 8:48
  [SPEAKER_06]: It's very well made and the acting is great from everybody, like there's not a weak link.
• 8:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I have a theory on it.
• 8:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: I have a theory on it that we would get into,
• 9:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's funny because I'm trying to work on a movie that the lead is a will be an actor who lives with a disability and is hard trying to make like a feel good movie but not a feel good movie and I think this Placing to me not too hallmarky, is that what's yes, and I think it could be placed into that like from the very first lines in the movie and I was like, oh, no, though I Yeah, yeah like from the music like they're just the things they does, but
• 9:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, let's get into it.
• 9:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: Do you want to go first when we need to go first?
• 9:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: Initial thoughts?
• 9:34
  [SPEAKER_05]: I guess I can start.
• 9:36
  [SPEAKER_05]: I liked this movie.
• 9:37
  [SPEAKER_05]: I had a great time.
• 9:38
  [SPEAKER_06]: Like I said, like I was on.
• 9:42
  [SPEAKER_06]: board from the beginning.
• 9:44
  [SPEAKER_06]: Like I already kind of knew going in like, oh, I'm probably gonna like this.
• 9:49
  [SPEAKER_06]: Now all, all I knew was it was drill drum and wrestling.
• 9:52
  [SPEAKER_06]: I didn't know anything.
• 9:53
  [SPEAKER_06]: I didn't know anything about who he was playing, anything about that person's story, or anything like that.
• 9:59
  [SPEAKER_06]: I just knew like, okay, yeah.
• 10:00
  [SPEAKER_06]: Like it's called unstoppable.
• 10:02
  [SPEAKER_06]: We're gonna see him overcome adversity somehow.
• 10:04
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and yeah, and I love Jarrell.
• 10:06
  [SPEAKER_06]: I don't I haven't seen enough of Jarrell just in general.
• 10:10
  [SPEAKER_06]: So I was excited to watch this and yeah, I mean, I thought it was well made.
• 10:15
  [SPEAKER_06]: I love how like every scene.
• 10:18
  [SPEAKER_06]: There's an actor like just an established name actor.
• 10:25
  [SPEAKER_06]: working like in every scene, they're just sort of passing the baton from one major actor to another.
• 10:32
  [SPEAKER_06]: And everyone's just kind of getting their chance to, you know, kind of chew up scenery a little bit.
• 10:37
  [SPEAKER_06]: And I think the story is well, man, I think as well, written, I like the one thing that's not to me was that I liked that we get that a thing that gets in his way
• 10:54
  [SPEAKER_06]: him being super focused on Iowa in that first match, even though he still won that match, he never got it out of his head that Iowa was there and they show that.
• 11:04
  [SPEAKER_06]: You know, and then they show it the same thing happening and it getting in his way in a way of him not winning the match, you know, and it was just it was just cool.
• 11:13
  [SPEAKER_06]: I think the way that they like were consistent in that way, you know, it's still follows.
• 11:17
  [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know what this person's actual journey was, you know, it pretty much follows the
• 11:23
  [SPEAKER_06]: from a sports movie, and so in that way, I,
• 11:29
  [SPEAKER_06]: like the hallmark thing you were saying.
• 11:30
  [SPEAKER_06]: In that way, it didn't quite feel like it was only that.
• 11:35
  [SPEAKER_06]: It felt more like, this just kind of feels sports movie to me, you know, and like, and at the same time, this is a person living with a disability, but, but it, like it didn't feel like it was like, a mopey about that, you know what I mean?
• 11:51
  [SPEAKER_06]: Like that was the challenge that he was trying to overcome.
• 11:59
  [SPEAKER_06]: to flip on people's heads, you know, like they're understanding of that.
• 12:03
  [SPEAKER_06]: But to me, it didn't feel too hokey, but I don't know, maybe it's there, and I just didn't quite see it in that same way.
• 12:09
  [SPEAKER_06]: But I, and, and I, and I, and I really liked the acting.
• 12:12
  [SPEAKER_06]: I thought from everybody, like, J.Lo was doing her thing.
• 12:16
  [SPEAKER_06]: Bobby was doing his thing.
• 12:17
  [SPEAKER_06]: Um, Kat said, why does J.Lo always play parts like this?
• 12:22
  [SPEAKER_06]: And I was like, I thought the same thing.
• 12:23
  [SPEAKER_06]: I wouldn't point.
• 12:23
  [SPEAKER_06]: I think you got to raise awareness.
• 12:25
  [SPEAKER_06]: Like, as long as you're around, you raise an awareness that you don't got to be with a, with a broken, you don't got to be with a man like this.
• 12:31
  [SPEAKER_06]: But yeah, that's right.
• 12:32
  [SPEAKER_06]: That's right.
• 12:32
  [SPEAKER_06]: As long as she can take parts every now and again, she's going to pick up a part like this to make sure you know you can be better than this.
• 12:39
  [SPEAKER_06]: But so yeah, so that's my general next side is talk about it more specific.
• 12:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: I agree, I think the acting was well across the board.
• 12:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't particularly like this movie.
• 12:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think I think because you had Jennifer Lopez, because you had Don Chiro, because you had Michael Paine, because you had Bobby in this movie, I don't think you needed to cast Drell Droom.
• 13:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think you should have cast the actual actor who shorts about him.
• 13:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: But I struggle with that a lot watching this movie.
• 13:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think George Rome did a very fun job, but it was like, I just, like, my thing is it would be different if he was the, and maybe he was the first person to latch on, so you needed him, but with those bigger names, I'm like, I've seen J-Lo open movies like, yeah, absolutely.
• 13:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: That aren't great.
• 13:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I felt like you, because I think at this point with those stars, you had the opportunity to cast somebody who actually lived with the disability.
• 13:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Also, I think what's hard for me is that I mean, this movie open with the line like it shows a drill like, you know, on the mat game ready for a match and then it just custed like two random white girls being like, oh my god he has one leg.
• 13:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: I bet you I could beat him.
• 13:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: I could pin him and of course, you know, if a Lopez happens to be there, that's my son.
• 14:09
  [SPEAKER_06]: No, you're doing that more than she, that's what you just did as a girl.
• 14:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: I promise you, I promise you, they give these two girls like dialogue back and forth, just like kind of crapping on them and not saying that's not realistic, but the thing is for that to be the opening of this movie of them just making fun of this kid and then it just keeps kind of back to Jennifer Lopez listening and getting mad or mad or and they've heard of
• 14:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and then in the girls freeze y'all not go clap and I was like oh, I literally I go oh my god and then they do that tropey thing of like
• 14:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, though out the movie, they played that inspirational music when some shit is going on like when he's going up that mountain man That fucking music is there and then you see the other boys just like waiting for him and the fuck And it's the thing is they show him like coming up through like one of the bushes and the music's getting louder and it cuts back to don't She's a little neem don't shoot on them with shocked his foot and then like it shows and he comes up in this anything It's this is probably real like he probably had to do this, but the thing is the music made it so like
• 15:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: And everybody all of a sudden is like, well, we now respect this guy with one leg like he wasn't a champion before, you know what I mean?
• 15:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: We respect him with him.
• 15:19
  [SPEAKER_06]: That's so interesting.
• 15:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then, and test it a shot of him going up his hands and shit a bloody.
• 15:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: Because you know what it reminded me of.
• 15:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: It reminded me of the scene.
• 15:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I was trying to think what's the difference about this movie.
• 15:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: is that it has a what's it called whiplash kind of situation at first we're like in whiplash mouse teller is so obsessed with becoming like on the drum team he is pushing himself met a fact I won't point he is playing so hard his hands are bleeding.
• 15:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's right on the.
• 15:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then the thing about him is he becomes his own problem.
• 15:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like he becomes so obsessed.
• 15:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: He gets into a car accident, runs away from the car accident, runs to the place.
• 15:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's in fucking shop.
• 15:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: He can't hold the drumsticks and ruins everything.
• 16:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: And you know, and again, I know this based on a real story.
• 16:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: So when he gets up that mountain and his hands are bloody, his foot is bloody, and he just starts smiling.
• 16:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: And everybody's looking at him like, doesn't it?
• 16:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's crazy.
• 16:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: Something about that made me laugh because the music had a question though.
• 16:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, he wants this, but what is he smiling in that scene?
• 16:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think it was I think it was supposed to show like and I do respect that move.
• 16:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think it was supposed to show like, um, you know, like in Wonder Woman when like she's getting like beat up at first and she just smiles and she's like, like, you know, it was like, I'm ready to fight.
• 16:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I think they were giving him that moment, which I respect.
• 16:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but it's also hard for me to be like, this is a team and his team is just gonna run past this kid.
• 16:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like, no one here is like, well, I mean, they stopped, you know, and, and ask him if he was okay, and he They brain has to ask if he was okay, and again, I'm not saying they needed to do anything different.
• 16:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not saying that it was like the movie.
• 16:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: Again, it's hard for me, because I understand what's a bio pick, but sometimes we get to these bio picks, they are so squeaky clean that... Yeah, sometimes that stuff is fake too, though.
• 17:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know what I mean?
• 17:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I said, yeah, the struggle or anything like that, but I'm just like, oh, that was really hard for me to do it, but I mean, I did struggle watch out to this movie is not one of my favorites.
• 17:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah.
• 17:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: I, I, and again, I think this movie was very good for me to watch.
• 17:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm trying my best to make sure I personally don't do this.
• 17:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't do what this movie.
• 17:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: Literally, this is my fear.
• 17:24
  [SPEAKER_06]: They're like, what is happening is my so interesting, like, because I, I, I'm, I'm interested, well, I wonder what, how bright, probably was, where you are, too, but what's, what's just interesting about hearing you say that is like, we had totally different experiences, like, it's just, it's just, because even even to the point of like, like, the smile getting up top, like, I didn't even register,
• 17:51
  [SPEAKER_06]: They're getting up top asses as a smile, which literally might be that I just didn't even see it, but even like down to stuff like that, like the music just hookin' me and making me go, oh man, look at him.
• 18:04
  [SPEAKER_06]: Look at him, look at him, I love that.
• 18:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is what I get it I think is I think I think the issue for me is that I've seen enough of these movies like this this particular type of like Yeah, yeah, so when I saw it I was like, oh, this is the paint by the numbers movie like the most the moment Yeah, I guess let's get into it.
• 18:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: The like the movie starts and has that moment with JLo
• 18:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's my son, I don't know, I'm making up where you see him say it like that, but that's my son, and he has literally said that's a good way to handle that.
• 18:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know what it is?
• 18:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's so interesting because again, I think if the moment would have started with him more than like,
• 18:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: her saying something I think I would have been more maybe a board but the moment because the moment she said that I was like I know what this movie is you know what I mean I got no I know it back again to um and again it did the opening was fantastic we see that he's a great fucking wrestler yeah uh we see like we see him staring at Ohio Ohio is there he wants to go to Ohio because that's where all the rest of the champs come from Iowa that's where all the the wrestling champs come from
• 19:10
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and we see that pain is a good coach, too.
• 19:13
  [SPEAKER_06]: He's like, it's not about any of that.
• 19:15
  [SPEAKER_06]: Like, it's about this match.
• 19:17
  [SPEAKER_06]: There's literally no other match.
• 19:20
  [SPEAKER_06]: You know, there is no future.
• 19:21
  [SPEAKER_06]: It's this match.
• 19:22
  [SPEAKER_06]: That just is so real.
• 19:23
  [SPEAKER_06]: That's such a, that's the, that is the literal reality of any of this of like, you know, being in sports, of being in a being an entertainment, of being, there is no anything after this.
• 19:35
  [SPEAKER_06]: It's a thing you're doing right now.
• 19:40
  [SPEAKER_06]: more focused on the other thing than your task at hand.
• 19:44
  [SPEAKER_06]: It's going to, it's going to trip you up.
• 19:46
  [SPEAKER_06]: It's going to trip, it's just going to trip you up.
• 19:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 19:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: And was so good to, I'm be honest, the thing that I remember about this this part is I was actively jealous of his character because I want to people who are like,
• 19:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: Even so much I've been following Ryan Kougler a lot recently and just like a story and recently he took like the teacher from Not USC but the one who saw him write something like you should do right.
• 20:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: I am always jealous of the person who had
• 20:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: an adult, see them in like, yeah, put them on the right path.
• 20:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: Because I was like, I think I always wanted the right path person.
• 20:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
• 20:24
  [SPEAKER_05]: And that's so like you never had anybody, you never had anybody say, like you're good at this, you're good at that or whatever.
• 20:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, I had, I had people who would say,
• 20:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think I was the person like when people realized I wouldn't give up on certain things.
• 20:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: I remember I think the most of I ever got was like this this so if you've been to my New York show you heard this bit already but when I got the college I had a British teacher who hated it and I mean I got to say this with a capital age because I think she might have said it hated my accent like hated you know remember like after acting class
• 21:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: Every Tuesday and Thursday, I would stay for our at the acting class to get rid of my accent.
• 21:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I had dialect classes every two days a week for a month and that Loki could be kind of racist, but also it was the most ever someone was like, you know, I mean, I got it.
• 21:19
  [SPEAKER_06]: It is it is it is it is only racist in that like, uh,
• 21:25
  [SPEAKER_06]: you know, the mainstream understanding of what it meant to act in the States was racist for a long time.
• 21:33
  [SPEAKER_06]: I don't think it's that that teacher was racist necessarily, but it's that, you know, we've only we've only just recently in the last 10 years or something started to accept.
• 21:44
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, Americans with different accents and elevating them to different and elevating them to these high, you know, where you have Ryan Kugel talking on these stages with with his with his it's not necessarily thick, but with his specific twang that he has, you know, which which I love hearing him speak him and Dominique Fishback, because Dominique has a list like generally love it.
• 22:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but yeah, so did you think Michael Pignette and Jennifer Lopez were gonna start dating in this movie?
• 22:15
  [SPEAKER_06]: You know, it's funny.
• 22:16
  [SPEAKER_06]: No, I didn't but then the one time No, I didn't through out the movie, but then there was one time that I did it was when he showed up with the same It's when he showed up with the The letters the fan letters and I was like, are they gonna do a horrible thing where Where they get together James that's what would have been terrible
• 22:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: that's exactly what I thought.
• 22:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, is he, is he by the day, Jennifer Lopez?
• 22:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like, is that doesn't it?
• 22:44
  [SPEAKER_06]: That's not what happened.
• 22:45
  [SPEAKER_06]: Same.
• 22:46
  [SPEAKER_06]: Not only in the movie, but it also, I guess, probably didn't happen in real life.
• 22:50
  [SPEAKER_06]: But like a dramatization of the scenario would have tried to do that.
• 22:55
  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm glad that they didn't.
• 22:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: 100%.
• 22:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, also, like, you know, as we get into it, again, it was so hard to watch.
• 23:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think I think I put this on my partner.
• 23:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think she didn't even watch it.
• 23:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: Once she realized it was like, drill drone with like,
• 23:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Pretending to have one leg.
• 23:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think she was even down with it.
• 23:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: But because it's gay, man, I think what's so hard about this.
• 23:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think about it in the wicked.
• 23:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like wicked on Broadway, you know, the wicked.
• 23:24
  [SPEAKER_06]: You know, just now, only just now hired someone, Joey, it will chair who uses a wheelchair.
• 23:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't even know if she's debuted yet, like as a recording.
• 23:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if she's been hired.
• 23:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if she's debuted yet, but like, yeah.
• 23:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I think about that.
• 23:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think about like, um, they're, again, that was really hard to do with, but also, we're still interested in the body is it's so much stuff for so telegraphic, the moment.
• 23:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: Bobby, uh, kind of volley showed up.
• 23:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: The, I'm talking about, you know, the moment they said that that table, come on, are you okay?
• 23:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: The, the moment they said that table, I was like, this nigga about to be evil.
• 23:57
  [SPEAKER_06]: I was like, oh, it was like before it was before he, before he, before he came in the door, you know, because we had seen them for a while.
• 24:05
  [SPEAKER_06]: We had seen the family, you know, and it was like, the dad wasn't there and it was like, okay.
• 24:12
  [SPEAKER_06]: He wasn't at the game.
• 24:13
  [SPEAKER_06]: Like, like, they had already, the way they spelled out that we was about to think this man wouldn't shit was he already wasn't at the game.
• 24:21
  [SPEAKER_06]: Then they get home and he ain't there.
• 24:23
  [SPEAKER_06]: And it was like, oh, he about to be in shit.
• 24:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 24:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: In the moment, and he started just like, Ryan, my man, immediately.
• 24:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, damn, bro.
• 24:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like, cause you know what it was?
• 24:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was the shot I'd like the kids to ask him, I'm like, oh my God, also what it's so interesting about this is we realized he's basically a racist cop.
• 24:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: or like a guard at a prison.
• 24:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, and I'm like, oh, wow, this is, this is an interesting take on things.
• 24:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: Also, you know what it is?
• 24:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know, this is what cat was getting at, but Jennifer Lopez, in this particular movie, being as ripped as she was, I was like, listen man, I don't seen you in the movie enough.
• 25:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I know you can throw hands.
• 25:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: So it was so hard for me, I would point to be like, Jennifer Lopez, anybody listen, what?
• 25:10
  [SPEAKER_06]: like just because you can throw hands doesn't mean you will throw hands.
• 25:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: I james I get it.
• 25:16
  [SPEAKER_06]: That don't mean you need to throw hands because you can throw hands doesn't mean you will throw hands.
• 25:21
  [SPEAKER_06]: I was trying to not saying I'm not saying don't throw hands.
• 25:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: We've read the very beginning and we talk about like when you go home when he first went home and how textbook Bobby Calvary was with just like the evil step that and I was saying like Jelo look man, she was tremble like this is this you know this is everybody's indie They were pushing for this to be the anyway to put it this was everybody's indie because every time somebody showed up You were like why why is this person in this this was it
• 25:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we did our initial thoughts, but yeah, my initial thoughts, I think like, guess initial thoughts were, it was like the real story of this seems incredible.
• 26:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: It feels like, like, it's a story worth telling, you know what I mean?
• 26:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: I felt like it just, like, it wasn't made quite well, and I don't, I think, I
• 26:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm still trying to figure out exactly what it was.
• 26:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think the directing is, I think, first and foremost, probably the problem.
• 26:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know how great the script was, or I know doing some research, I know this went through a bunch of different phases.
• 26:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: probably like write up or 2017 probably like fresh out of fresh off straight out of a company like yeah like this was in the works were a while and it got passed through the hands of many different people uh and until until it ended with uh Ben Affleck and the thing drilled and Ben Affleck some production company pushing it through which is why jails it.
• 27:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah, that's correct.
• 27:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: Derell Jerome is, I think, so it's like, and Derell Jerome, like, this man is a good actor and I know he went through so much to do this.
• 27:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's a tough one for me.
• 27:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: I should have been a doctor with a who lived with a disability.
• 27:38
  [SPEAKER_06]: I knew this I knew this is going to happen, break because you're laughing like it either, but I did like it.
• 27:42
  [SPEAKER_06]: You like to look at you.
• 27:44
  [SPEAKER_06]: I like to him and I like to just the movie.
• 27:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh good.
• 27:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: These things didn't, I didn't, I didn't hate this movie.
• 27:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's for sure.
• 27:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: And there are parts of it that I liked.
• 27:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think it just like, I don't know.
• 27:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: There was something, I think the score maybe also wasn't the greatest.
• 28:01
  [SPEAKER_06]: Dress it that too.
• 28:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was like right what I say was it just felt like it felt like every other Inspiring sports movie like the music cutin what I needed to Qn He felt he fought adversity at every point and had to get over himself.
• 28:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: It just felt very by the numbers and Into the
• 28:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it wasn't like the direction was born or anything like that.
• 28:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was just, it was no, it felt normal.
• 28:28
  [SPEAKER_06]: It felt very like, it felt, yeah, it felt what it was just like great.
• 28:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was what it is like.
• 28:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: I told James like the moment he started going up the mountain and everybody's at the top of the mountain and they do that shot looking at him through the bushes that music slowly starts creeping up into the heat lands and he's seen a blood on his hands and he smirks that music hits a crescendo I was like oh my god and like that's such a great like that scene in particular right I'm like thinking about it's like The fact that he was able to do that is crazy and like an extremely impressive.
• 29:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: But I think like for me I was kind of like they were doing all this stuff of like can you believe it like look what he just accomplished and I couldn't help it like think yeah, but it didn't have to do that and this has nothing to do with him getting on the team.
• 29:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: The coach John Titles is like looking at him and going like man, this guy won't give up and like that's a that's a part of it, but like there was another part of me that's like there's doesn't have anything to do with wrestling like you know what I mean like ultimately and so I'm not feeling the same sense of accomplishment that probably this real person felt and like maybe that I would feel reading his book because this was like options off his own memoir.
• 29:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: But I, you know what I mean?
• 29:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like I think the other thing that was hard with about this movie is that the movie actually starts with him winning his high school championship.
• 30:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: And while like that wasn't seemingly impressive, I was like, oh, we're already starting at a
• 30:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: keys over come ups like we're already showing him overcoming obstacle like he's already overcome obstacles and so i haven't sat with those in the outside of just knowing i don't know i i i'm just to hear more about what you liked about it james because i don't know if i can quite put my finger on exactly why but i'm i guess i guess it's all to say that i'm not surprised
• 30:42
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not surprised this movie didn't wind up actually getting into awards content, even though I think they all thought it was going to and they certainly
• 30:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: Apparently when this movie was first released or first shown at, I forgot which festival.
• 31:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think it was Sundance, so there you go, Sundance.
• 31:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, like everybody liked it at the festival and people thought like, okay, like this is gonna be, and like it definitely had an FYC campaign.
• 31:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: We cannot trust festivals anymore.
• 31:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I don't care if you know that I have for you today.
• 31:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like, six minutes standing ovation.
• 31:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, I'm a stand.
• 31:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, if we had it, we'd just see it in the ring of the twenty minute one.
• 31:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: Bro, well, if there are, there are almost like all of them get these things out.
• 31:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: Listen, they all get it.
• 31:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: If we, the three of us were in the theater to watch Green Book in real time, even though we know that movie is some bull, and we're standing there, and we're her smiley, he's in the room.
• 31:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to clap, like we're going to clap for the movie.
• 31:43
  [SPEAKER_06]: I gotta tell you, I gotta tell you, I'm probably not clapping.
• 31:48
  [SPEAKER_06]: Tell you I'm probably not clapping and I'm I have I have sat down during many a standing ovation If I am not moved to stay in a theater likely not gonna in a theater.
• 32:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm likely not gonna stay I know I I sometimes feel bullied into it, but there are times where I'm like I don't want it Why are you getting this a standing ovation like that?
• 32:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: Just because that's just like, it's just not a standing of Asian.
• 32:16
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 32:16
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 32:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: Um, it is that kind of thing.
• 32:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: But anyway, you know, okay.
• 32:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: So there is one thing, you guys are talking about Bobby.
• 32:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
• 32:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of, kind of, can I call you?
• 32:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: Kind of, I kind of, we, how do you say it's last name?
• 32:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of Ali?
• 32:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: Kind of Ali.
• 32:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: Kind of Ali.
• 32:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: Kind of Ali.
• 32:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I, and I like, I think he's a really good actor.
• 32:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: you know, as well as as the character was written on the page.
• 32:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: When I was doing, because I just kind of, you know, with the movies at our base on a real story, I like to look up a little bit of like what the real story was, what they changed, or things like that.
• 32:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I think it was a big deal for the real, um, Anthony Robless.
• 33:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: and Judy and his mom to include this part like in the movie, you know, to show like a life wasn't all like sunshine and roses or whatever or like like just that he was dealing with like this thing.
• 33:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: And so I think it was a it was like a big deal for them.
• 33:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: That being said,
• 33:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: I was reading like an interview he did where he talked about how when he was young, he like looked up to his stepdad and like always called him dad, like he didn't call him stepdad, he called him dad and how he like wanted his stepdad to like him until until when it changed.
• 33:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I was like man, I wish they actually showed that in the movie.
• 34:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: He kind of like immediately know that he doesn't like this guy.
• 34:04
  [SPEAKER_04]: This guy doesn't like him.
• 34:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: This guy's a bad guy.
• 34:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: We're the audience.
• 34:09
  [SPEAKER_04]: We're not supposed to like him.
• 34:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: And we're kind of just waiting for that.
• 34:16
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, but you're waiting for the shoot to drop.
• 34:19
  [SPEAKER_06]: Or it's not even shoot to drop, but you're waiting for the explosion to happen.
• 34:25
  [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
• 34:25
  [SPEAKER_06]: And I also felt like we could have done without the
• 34:30
  [SPEAKER_06]: the flashback or at the very least when it happened like it could have maybe happened at a different point or something, but the first one who says you're not my son, it was like, oh my god, like, like, like, it just we already knew it was like this.
• 34:45
  [SPEAKER_06]: we already knew we weren't supposed to like him and and and and it's already clear that they're potentially not potentially not really they could be be related given how dark it was it could that could they could they could still be relate you know they could still be family but but it was also like no clear you know he's a different complexion like he could also be fathered by another person and so like
• 35:10
  [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.
• 35:11
  [SPEAKER_06]: It was like they went out of adding that flashback.
• 35:14
  [SPEAKER_06]: It was like they went out of their way to make sure.
• 35:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: this guy we knew this guy was an asshole and I guess like the thing about this and I know, I don't know anything about these, they're real life obviously.
• 35:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: But there's like a little part of me that's like as much as I'm absolutely sure this dude was trash and it sounds like you engaged in so domestic abuse even though I guess we never
• 35:43
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like technically saw it in the movie, it feels like it was hinted at a lot of times it pushed a wall.
• 35:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he punched the wall, we see their bruises, yeah, and all this stuff, like, this was a bad dude.
• 35:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: At the same time, I'm like, this is a guy who has, I don't know what the story is, but like, I don't know when she had this kid when he came into life or whatever, but he's like involved in this guy in Anthony's life.
• 36:16
  [SPEAKER_04]: to the point where Anthony was looking up to him and calling him dad.
• 36:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: And he's raising these other kids.
• 36:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: And he is like, even though he's in and out of the house and who knows, I think they're trying again, hinting that maybe he was cheating or whatever, even though the movie never says he was cheating and then there's one point where Jaylo was like, I accused him of something and I was wrong, which I was like, so did you?
• 36:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: I was like, was he cheating or not?
• 36:37
  [SPEAKER_06]: I was like, hi.
• 36:38
  [SPEAKER_06]: I thought he was cheating.
• 36:41
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I feel like they hinted at it enough that it was like it seemed like we're supposed to think that it that was really happy.
• 36:47
  [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
• 36:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: But I guess I was I'm still like there had I feel like there's something that's keeping this guy here and there's something like I liked.
• 36:59
  [SPEAKER_04]: The extremely short.
• 37:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: Extremely short moment we got with him and Jennifer Lopez when they were like, yeah, flirting with each other liking because I was like, I I need to see that like I You know, because that is a part of real life as well like yes even when there's all this bad like there are these good moments And I understand that the movie is like, but this guy's not a good guy, but like we already know that so like
• 37:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: Can you at least show us the good moments so that we understand or at least we can like empathize and also feel the ups and downs that you characters are feeling instead of what we're the audience feeling which is just a negative at all times.
• 37:42
  [SPEAKER_06]: a lot of times the representation of toxic relationships in these movies is like the mistreatment like the being the negative treatment but it's like it's toxic because there are both sides like what makes it toxic is the is the gas lining is the the wool over the eyes is the it's like that's part that's as part of it as
• 38:08
  [SPEAKER_06]: the abuse the of the of the right the literal physical or or verbal.
• 38:13
  [SPEAKER_06]: You know, because it's I don't even want to call just that part of the abuse because the other part.
• 38:17
  [SPEAKER_06]: Right is the is the abuse to in it in a way, right, but but yeah, but the movie the movie almost refused to to show the other side.
• 38:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, for sure, which I think that I think maybe that's my issue with the film is that.
• 38:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: I get the need to include the stepdad stuff I do, but also to an extent, I'm like, he already is going through a lot, like, you know, unless there was going to be a moment in this movie that it build up to like him crashing out, like it's like the weight of
• 38:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: everything, his mom, you know, at a certain point, he does have to pay for school, which, you know, I guess just working on them planes, pays enough to help with that.
• 39:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: I just felt like there were certain things you missed out on because the movie jumps each semester.
• 39:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like it immediately starts with like, yo, it moved so fast.
• 39:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: It just kept jumping and I was like, oh, what is his head space throughout all of this?
• 39:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: And again, it's hard because it's a biopic.
• 39:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if he had a crash out moment, but I think you need it something because everything else just felt so like
• 39:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: beautiful to an extent like like it just felt like yeah it just felt so pretty or or I don't know man Lily I want to point where he loses when he when the when he goes to the college down Cheetos there down Cheetos like a you know you're gonna have to walk on you're gonna have to like um I'm but he told me to give it to you right even that felt like inspirational it felt like I know what he's about to do
• 40:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I didn't want anybody to be mean to him in any way shape or form is just was, I felt like outside of Jerome kind of like looking shocked or sad towards camera, he never sat with anything.
• 40:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
• 40:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was a feature.
• 40:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: So it was like it wasn't like we were building to like them.
• 40:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
• 40:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: I just thought we didn't see him.
• 40:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: to one of the guys, even the friends who became his friends at, on his wrestling team, we never saw them really hang out.
• 40:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like we never saw like that one guy.
• 40:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: That one guy talks to him at the very beginning of it.
• 40:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then you think that white guy's gonna be me in the him, but then all of a sudden that guy's like super nice to him, but we never,
• 40:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: Even when the other guys are hanging out, they're like, hey, look at this.
• 40:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's like, I see him.
• 40:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: He does not hang out with them.
• 40:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like, he does not.
• 40:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 40:48
  [SPEAKER_06]: Talk to me.
• 40:48
  [SPEAKER_06]: We don't know.
• 40:49
  [SPEAKER_06]: His life outside of wrestling is like occasionally dealing with his mom and his stepdad.
• 40:57
  [SPEAKER_06]: And then like, and then a kid, and then at work.
• 41:00
  [SPEAKER_06]: Like that's it.
• 41:01
  [SPEAKER_06]: And then everything else is wrestling.
• 41:02
  [SPEAKER_06]: We don't even know what his school life is like, until later we're like, he's managed to have one of the highest GPAs.
• 41:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: And it's like, oh, right.
• 41:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: I know there was a part of me like the old like showed like one like it a montage They show like a bunch of girls like pass by him and so like how high Anthony and he's like kind of smiles And that's it and I was because there was a part of it.
• 41:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's like did this guy have like any relationships?
• 41:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like yeah, maybe he did it.
• 41:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe he didn't but like that's a part of it too Like I understand that they they were getting across the fact that he was so committed to this
• 41:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: to wrestling and to being a champion by like having showing him watch like all of them trading and mach trading montage scenes and stuff like that and then also like having him watch the tapes of other wrestlers or whatever like his commitment to just watching video and stuff.
• 41:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: But I don't know, I guess I wanted to see
• 42:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, we get we finally do get a scene with Don Chido where he explains like why this matters so much to him.
• 42:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I didn't enjoy that.
• 42:08
  [SPEAKER_06]: But yeah, I really liked that scene, but it was like, it was like, oh, I'm finally being fed something that exactly.
• 42:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think that's exactly right.
• 42:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think that's exactly right.
• 42:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: I was like, I wanted more of that.
• 42:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: And there was a part of me that's like,
• 42:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: some of the things that he was accomplishing, it was hard to appreciate because I didn't have exactly the reference point.
• 42:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: Even him doing this, what you're saying you're about him going to be the walk on an ASU.
• 42:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: It was hard not to be on the side of everybody else who was like, yo, you have a fun ride to track slurs?
• 42:46
  [SPEAKER_06]: Go to Drexel, no, no, Drexel.
• 42:48
  [SPEAKER_06]: That was he, I think he made a mistake.
• 42:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, you're going to kiss me, I was like,
• 42:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: I know we don't and I understand he kept saying and they kept telling us like Iowa is the is the premier place to go okay Great I understand that even though I don't actually know that because I'm like I let's just go I don't know yeah, let's go in Iowa.
• 43:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: Let's go.
• 43:08
  [SPEAKER_06]: Let's go in high Anyway, we did that's literally never hear Drexel again.
• 43:12
  [SPEAKER_06]: So like he also like never wrestled like they didn't place like he didn't and never even got I guess Like where you need it but like Drexel
• 43:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: Drexel is not like some no-name school like I know what Drexel is it's really like you like that's not a bad to me I was like that's not a bad school to go to and also and also I couldn't understand like and maybe this was the case like maybe Drexel is not in the division one of wrestling.
• 43:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if that's sure or not like if it isn't that I understand more but if it is
• 43:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: Then, what does it matter?
• 43:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: I actually do believe this.
• 43:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: What does it matter if you went to a better program or not?
• 43:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: If you're as good as you say you are or think you are, like you will then make this school.
• 44:01
  [SPEAKER_04]: But like, we have seen so many movies about colleges, teams, underdog teams doing well or whatever, like Indiana just won the freaking,
• 44:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: NCAA, you know, national championship, like for football, like they weren't a football school before, like it just, I don't know.
• 44:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: And wrestling is a what-on-one sport.
• 44:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's not like relying on the team.
• 44:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: And this goal he goes to loses funding.
• 44:28
  [SPEAKER_06]: Exactly.
• 44:29
  [SPEAKER_06]: It's going for wrestling.
• 44:31
  [SPEAKER_06]: For specifically, they're actually, you know,
• 44:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: Even when he showed up at the school, I was like, why is he here because he never spoke about this school?
• 44:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like, he just, like, why are we here now?
• 44:44
  [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, even I think, okay, so this, this specific part.
• 44:50
  [SPEAKER_06]: didn't bother me as much, but even like my answers to this question is like stuff I'm piecing the answers to what you would the issue that you're having with it is stuff I'm only piecing together because you have this this question.
• 45:02
  [SPEAKER_06]: I don't think it's really there in the in the movie, but like the like the like what's so important about ASU and stuff is like is like this it all goes to that scene that he has with Don Gido at the end where he's like
• 45:20
  [SPEAKER_06]: hyper focused on the best person at Iowa.
• 45:24
  [SPEAKER_06]: This whole, like probably since before, he's even brought into the movie, you know, because he has this very clear idea that like anything else means I'm nothing.
• 45:36
  [SPEAKER_06]: You know, so like I don't even want to be the underdog at Drexel right right is sort of is sort of what he's thinking he's like I don't want to be the underdog here that brings up this school I want to be the best and and you know checkmarked as being the best because of x y and z you know but then he bring up the other school like because like he bought up.
• 45:59
  [SPEAKER_06]: I think specifically down Cheetos discussion of like look, these schools are the best and like we are also so good that we can pick whoever we want so we ain't picking you in an I mean, like I do think that like while he did elevate that school by by winning a championship for them You know, and Iowa guess was always dominating got it the idea that that I get is that like well It's at least in his mind better than the filly school, you know, which makes sense which makes sense
• 46:29
  [SPEAKER_06]: You know, yeah, that makes it, but yeah, but also, but to your points, not on the screen, not as on the screen as it could be for sure.
• 46:37
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
• 46:37
  [SPEAKER_06]: And then, and then the only other thing that I'm thinking of is like, earlier, I was asking to rob before you got here, Bray is like, I wonder why I had a completely different experience watching this movie, then then he did.
• 46:50
  [SPEAKER_06]: And while hearing us all talk about it now, I'm like, I guess right before the movie started,
• 46:57
  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, come on.
• 46:58
  [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, it's a, it's a sports movie.
• 46:59
  [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, it's, you know, it's like, guy, he's going to, he's going to, you know, he's going to go through some hardships and then he's going to win at the end.
• 47:05
  [SPEAKER_06]: It's going to be great.
• 47:06
  [SPEAKER_06]: And I think literally all I need it right now was the tiniest modicum of hope.
• 47:12
  [SPEAKER_06]: I need to know that.
• 47:13
  [SPEAKER_06]: I need to, oh, yeah, he didn't the smallest, like, somebody went, somebody, somebody overcame something, you know, and it must be that because I, I do agree with the paint by numbersness of it, but I, it
• 47:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Can I ask you a question, where would they live in when they had 90 days to get out the like when they got kicked out the house?
• 47:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: No, they didn't kick kicked out of the house.
• 47:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: I thought they had 90 days and the guy was like, I came without police.
• 47:40
  [SPEAKER_06]: They had 90 days.
• 47:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: They had 90 days.
• 47:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: But they didn't get kicked out.
• 47:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, so that's the place in 90, got it.
• 47:46
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 47:47
  [SPEAKER_06]: That period of time.
• 47:48
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, up until she served him the like where, you know, you guys, you're a vegetarian alone.
• 47:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, even though it was a good symbol.
• 47:56
  [SPEAKER_06]: Listen, listen, listen.
• 47:57
  [SPEAKER_06]: No, that was incredible.
• 47:59
  [SPEAKER_06]: She came in.
• 48:01
  [SPEAKER_06]: She came in with the, she had the documents.
• 48:04
  [SPEAKER_06]: She was like, let's check out this document.
• 48:08
  [SPEAKER_06]: And I got this document and my man was like,
• 48:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, listen, what I'm struggling with is, is again, I noticed it's based on a true story.
• 48:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I do believe this happened.
• 48:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: But man, everything is, right?
• 48:24
  [SPEAKER_06]: It also really may not have happened.
• 48:26
  [SPEAKER_06]: That's the other.
• 48:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: No, but I think it's, it's, I think it might have done.
• 48:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: I guess the timing works out, right?
• 48:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: Cause 2008 was the recession.
• 48:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 48:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: And a big part of this recession was the fact that you had all these predatory loan that were happening or whatever, and then when Obama came in, they did all these regulations that were trying to combat this specific thing.
• 48:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: So it makes sense.
• 48:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: Hunter, where are you saying?
• 48:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: My mother think about it is is that it was just so again, it was so could cut a perfect.
• 48:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was like, hey, I figured this out because my son told me I had to figure it out and I did.
• 49:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now I'm going to figure it out.
• 49:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: You are the bad guy.
• 49:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: Why you dude?
• 49:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: So not only am I going to refile for this, but I'm going to get, I know it all is true.
• 49:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's just everything was so.
• 49:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Everything was so perfect.
• 49:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: There was no moment of like, and I get it.
• 49:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: She was on the couch or on her bed.
• 49:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: She was super sad.
• 49:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: Again, I don't need this to be a sad movie in any way shape or form.
• 49:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Again, I bring what I was saying is, I struggle with this because of the short that you read that I'm writing and I'm like, oh no, this is the thing, this is like this, this is the issue and I'm like, well, you know, it's hard when
• 49:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: And this movie definitely, I think struggled with tried to make it work and I think they definitely tried.
• 49:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like this, a lot of this person's story, it doesn't fit into a movie narrative, right?
• 49:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like there's literally, we have to like skip, we have to do a bunch of time jumps because like one part of his story is that you didn't get to wrestle for a whole year.
• 50:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you know, like, just like, hey, one year we didn't have, you even have wrestling.
• 50:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: You know, and it's not like we followed him like what's he going to do for this year really like they get to show one scene and then we skip forward and it's the junior year and now the wrestling programs back like with this thing with her it's like that was definitely a huge part of their life right where they're like out on the sidewalk and like somebody comes and tells them like you're being kicked out of your home and they realize.
• 50:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: This delinquent father hasn't been paying the bills and then she's scrambling and she's, you know, donating blood and like doesn't know what to do and then she was probably doing all this research, but it's like
• 50:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: You can't show her doing months of research that leads up to her having this conversation, right?
• 50:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: You have to do it in this nice little packaged way because how else are you really gonna show it and also it's not really that big part of it.
• 50:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: Not really what the movie's about anyway.
• 51:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: So it feels like it's just wrapped up in a neat little bow, even though a part of that is like months of stress that was happening for them.
• 51:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: But also like,
• 51:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: Again, it's like, I don't know, it's a tough thing to overcome.
• 51:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's, it's wide so much easier.
• 51:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's why a lot of times when people do these kinds of movies, they're showing a season and not like a whole, like, yes, agree.
• 51:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: You know what I mean?
• 51:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: Because it's easier to show them just to go, hey, he did this and then this and then this and then at the end is this and then he wins or he loses you now and like that's all.
• 51:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like this would have started with that final fight.
• 51:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry, that final match and then flashback to the beginning beginning at that season.
• 51:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's already
• 51:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: with Don Cheeto.
• 51:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
• 51:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like I think you're right.
• 51:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think we either like centered in a little bit more instead of covering a five-year span in two hours.
• 51:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: I do not know how to made it a better movie.
• 51:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: Because the acting was well done.
• 51:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's I don't know, man.
• 52:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: You don't watch some of J-Lo's like truly great dramatic moments.
• 52:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: I was like the way a shot feels
• 52:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: like lifetime me.
• 52:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, I can't figure out why I'm having a heart can't tell it was.
• 52:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think it was it.
• 52:16
  [SPEAKER_04]: I do feel like, and I, you know, I'm not an expert on this stuff.
• 52:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: But I guess what I'll say is that.
• 52:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: I notice when the cinematography is really good and probably when the cinematography isn't good, I don't necessarily notice it, I just feel it.
• 52:32
  [SPEAKER_04]: So I can't point to anything where I'm like, oh, like in this scene they did this and whatever, I just feel like there was never a shot where I was like, man, what a house of great shot.
• 52:43
  [SPEAKER_04]: I was just sort of artistic or whatever.
• 52:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: You know, and I do feel like,
• 52:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: a lot of the emotion.
• 52:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: I felt, one of the reasons I feel like the score was bad was not because it was, I mean, I guess partly is because it's on the nose.
• 52:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: But it's also just felt like I was like, I noticed the score because I wasn't feeling the emotion watching her scene and then I noticed the score is like telling me the emotion I'm supposed to be feeling.
• 53:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, but I'm not feeling it.
• 53:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: You know, as opposed to this score like kind of underlying something and then you're kind of like, and then you realize like, oh my god, like I'm being moved and like, oh man, this music is also awesome, you know, I don't know, I think like having also we are, I mean, I'm saying we I've been watching a lot of, uh, you know, the Oscar nominated films or like awards contenders lately, I've been watching these screeners and stuff and so.
• 53:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: You could just like, it's, you watch some movies and you're like, whoa, and then you watch other movies and you're like, oh, this isn't that's good.
• 53:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: Again, like it just isn't.
• 53:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't, I'm sorry, like I, you know what I mean?
• 53:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like, you watch some movies and I can't even necessarily put my finger on why they feel so much better, but they just do.
• 54:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: And then a movie like this where
• 54:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: I can't, like, outside of, I do think, I don't, I think the father's stuff, like, it took up so much of the movie and it was, it felt so one note, I wish there were more ups and downs, like, I agree.
• 54:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: You know, if, if he actually cared about, sorry, my telly's barking.
• 54:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: If he actually, like, cared about what his dad thought, then it would be, it would feel more dynamic.
• 54:32
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
• 54:33
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
• 54:34
  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm also remembering as you're talking about things that the movie kind of leaves behind like at the very beginning after that first match like the neighbor across the street says hello and he says hello back.
• 54:47
  [SPEAKER_06]: She loves like and she's like talking to him.
• 54:49
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
• 54:49
  [SPEAKER_06]: And we have he's not sure what that is or why we never saw him before.
• 54:53
  [SPEAKER_06]: We never see him after.
• 54:56
  [SPEAKER_06]: And there's so much of like that.
• 54:58
  [SPEAKER_06]: It's like, I'm like, are they going to have it?
• 55:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: What is the neighborhood?
• 55:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: Is he a drug dealer or like, does he?
• 55:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, with these kinds of people ever see him again.
• 55:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: What is it?
• 55:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 55:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: I was just like, what was the point of that?
• 55:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: What was the point of that scene?
• 55:09
  [SPEAKER_04]: Really?
• 55:09
  [SPEAKER_04]: I have no idea.
• 55:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: I have no idea.
• 55:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
• 55:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: you know, like, Michael Pigna's character is like so like I just he's such a great actor and he's so likeable.
• 55:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: And like I and like I was like this in relationship is fascinating interesting, but we kind of like start the movie towards the end of it almost, you know, I mean I know he sticks around all of it, but it's just like we didn't get to see
• 55:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: The thing that built up, and I guess they just couldn't, because it, you just wouldn't look like a high school kid, but like, we didn't get to see him.
• 55:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: How he like, because I was reading like his real life, like he didn't.
• 55:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like when he first started wrestling, he was really bad.
• 55:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: You know, obviously.
• 55:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 55:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: And then he became really good during high school and became the best at the end of high school, like at least the best.
• 56:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh yeah, that's wild.
• 56:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like that's, it's like, yeah.
• 56:04
  [SPEAKER_04]: You almost want to hear that.
• 56:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like, because yeah, that's the kind of, that's kind of even more of the story than the college part is.
• 56:11
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, like what the college the genuinely the college stuff could be in the text at the end as much as like like as much as anything else because all of that stuff at the end also I thought was remarkable I was like he went on to do all of this as well like yeah
• 56:31
  [SPEAKER_06]: For somebody who was like, I'm done after this.
• 56:34
  [SPEAKER_06]: This is all I have, and then like to be able to accomplish so much after that is remarkable.
• 56:40
  [SPEAKER_06]: So like, I definitely think like we could have focused on that earlier story, or even just seen more of Michael Peña and them together during the movie.
• 56:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: agree.
• 56:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: Just something to show like why they were even he was part of the family at one point, but I mean, yeah, which makes sense.
• 56:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: I it feels like I believe that, you know, because if this wrestling met this much of this kid's life and his
• 57:04
  [SPEAKER_04]: Wrestling coach who he knew for presumably all four years, you know, is the one who helped him become set the foundation for his career, his wrestling career.
• 57:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: Then that makes sense.
• 57:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
• 57:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: It felt like when he finally goes to and him and Jennifer Lopez had that scene towards the end of the movie and he has all the letters.
• 57:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: I felt like it was the first time they were ever talking.
• 57:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: pro, which I was like, how is that possible pro?
• 57:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: I legit at the point was like, no, what is because it felt like finally they were having this like discussion about him being a wrestler.
• 57:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, so this is the first time you have ever done this like, I don't know, man, it was such a weird.
• 57:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
• 57:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
• 57:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: Even the build up to him fighting the stepdad Bobby.
• 57:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: Even that felt so, I like it.
• 57:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: It felt anticlimactic, I was like, it didn't, like, infences, and this is unfair.
• 58:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: But still, you know what I mean?
• 58:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like, infences like that.
• 58:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, because you knew tension is building the whole time and you know they're gonna fight and it's such a powerful scene,
• 58:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: In this, it was like, oh, I know they're going to fight, but like, I just was kind of like, I mean, it was really short and maybe they didn't really fight in real life.
• 58:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I don't know, there's a part of me that's like, did this movie just not like dramatized his real life enough?
• 58:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: It was like a little too close to his real life.
• 58:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: You know what I mean?
• 58:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 58:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: Um, yeah.
• 58:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: You know, like I, I don't know.
• 58:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: It was weird.
• 58:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: It was, um,
• 58:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I just, I, it made me, it made, the movie made me go.
• 58:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: I want to read the book.
• 58:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like I want to read his, whatever.
• 58:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: I, I don't even know if you consider an autobiography or memoir or whatever you call it.
• 58:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like, it made me want to read the book that he wrote about himself and his journey that like made this movie possible.
• 59:04
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, 100%.
• 59:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: And again, I understood, there's a part of me that was like, of course, this story had to be told.
• 59:09
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like, I'm glad.
• 59:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: But there was another part of me that was like,
• 59:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: The movie that interest they agree.
• 59:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: I agree.
• 59:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I just didn't I want to see.
• 59:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: I really did.
• 59:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't even know what to say.
• 59:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like I generally just in it.
• 59:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 59:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was a cool story.
• 59:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's just hard because it just wasn't entertaining.
• 59:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: But what were some other parts of it that you did like James.
• 59:36
  [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, just outside of the hope, any, any one thing, you know, that was like that like either red false or red a little bit too melodramatic, I just was sort of like, oh cool, you know, like this is sort of a little bit more on board.
• 59:51
  [SPEAKER_06]: I think with with some of the stuff and like,
• 59:55
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I mean, like, and I, I was moved by, you know, every sort of change in, you know, every sort of obstacle that was overcome or every sort of hurdle that was left over, you know, like it was like, oh, great, you know, you know, like, I mean, I'm expecting him to lose midway through and then, you know, looking forward to seeing
• 1:00:25
  [SPEAKER_06]: And like, you know, and like him getting in his home getting in his own way and in in the fights and and how that happened versus like, you know, resetting and really sort of being about like, because I mean, like what we only see.
• 1:00:42
  [SPEAKER_06]: We see four fights in the movie or maybe five, but they all are like integral.
• 1:00:48
  [SPEAKER_06]: Like it's like, we see his last fight in high school, we see his first, his fight to stay on the team, we see, and then we see the two fights, the two championship fights, you know, and so on.
• 1:01:05
  [SPEAKER_06]: Like, I mean, like a montage of fights and be talking about a montage of other fights, but he's just he's just winning, you know, we're not seeing the only loss we see the only losses we see have clear reasons for why he loses, you know, like we don't really it's not
• 1:01:22
  [SPEAKER_06]: it doesn't add to the drama that he's losing these specific fights because it's sort of expected in a way, you know, which is a, and I think that that's unfortunate, but I was still like, I don't know, I was still sort of like great, I can't wait to see how he gets out of this one, you know?
• 1:01:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 1:01:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: I guess like, okay, I feel like to get this point about the fight, slosing.
• 1:01:43
  [SPEAKER_04]: Look, whenever you watch a sports movie or a movie, like we watch F1, and like you know,
• 1:01:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: They're going to lose like they're going to like lose a race before they win the big another one right like it's just like because that's how the movies go right, but like They still manage to make it dramatic Even though you know it's going to happen.
• 1:02:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: It still feels like oh no like you're still like hoping it does it.
• 1:02:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, 100% and I think like And again, I think that's that bill like we know going to the F one A the young dude is going to be jealous of Brad Pitt
• 1:02:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, then all of a sudden the the young dude is going to understand what the old the guy's coming from then like something's going to happen or the guy's going to be gone hurt sick fire the young dude's going to take over he's going to grow they're going to come back be friends come by y'all and I think the difference is is that we're able to live in those moments just a little bit longer and I think it's of just a hair messier like
• 1:02:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, seeing like once seeing one scene of Jennifer Lopez being like he didn't pay for a house him saying a mom you need to figure this out and then seeing her like on her laptop.
• 1:02:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: And in the next scene is her literally one of the shots was her on the laptop and then it goes like um Arizona law office like that's just a generic name of it order like on the screen I'm like come on y'all like this is crazy that's what they be called though the other sorry that the other the point that I was trying to make before my dog really interrupted me was that.
• 1:03:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like if the movie did a better job, leading up to this lat to his junior year, when he makes it to the end of whatever, and he's fighting and he's fighting to win the title.
• 1:03:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like, if they built up more like you did it, like you made it, like I know, and like you can beat this like, they built up a lot of like, hey, this guy's really intimidating.
• 1:03:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: He might be like, they almost to the opposite.
• 1:03:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like they did the thing, the movie was like, you're probably gonna lose, you're probably gonna lose any loses.
• 1:03:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: Instead of, instead of us feeling what she,
• 1:03:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: Even if he wasn't timid at it, I think he still thought he was going to win, because if he didn't think he was going to win, then us seeing him lose, shouldn't feel bad.
• 1:03:59
  [SPEAKER_04]: You know what I mean?
• 1:04:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: And so...
• 1:04:01
  [SPEAKER_04]: If we were more on the journey of like, hey, he could win.
• 1:04:04
  [SPEAKER_04]: He could win.
• 1:04:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: He could be the biggest story in history.
• 1:04:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like, I don't know, like, this thing's lined up.
• 1:04:09
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like, if you win, like, you're going to get, like, ESPN's going to do a cover story on you and blah, blah, blah.
• 1:04:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: And then he just, like, that, you know, he loses his stock.
• 1:04:17
  [SPEAKER_06]: And I don't know, yeah, he never lost a match of it.
• 1:04:20
  [SPEAKER_06]: Like, I think another sort of,
• 1:04:23
  [SPEAKER_06]: issue with with the way they represented the matches in this is like the vibe is sort of like that he is also never lost a match like I mean Yes, we saw him not when the the practice match, but like but beyond that it's like you haven't lost so I see here He didn't lose a match to seeing here.
• 1:04:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, we didn't show me to montage Yeah, or at least show me the like X like have somebody talk about the fact that like
• 1:04:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: If you finish this, you will win, you will be undefeated, you know what I mean?
• 1:04:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like, and that causing more pressure on him.
• 1:05:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: And so, and like, we, I mean, again, we get that scene where he's like,
• 1:05:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: He has kind of bought into that weird Iowa mentality of, like, second place is the same as every other place.
• 1:05:13
  [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, to me, the other thing that I kept thinking about, but I didn't even think that the movie made a big deal out of this is like that he made it to the finals every time.
• 1:05:23
  [SPEAKER_06]: Like this.
• 1:05:24
  [SPEAKER_06]: Crazy, like that's huge in and of itself, and even that was not made to be a big deal.
• 1:05:33
  [SPEAKER_06]: And I think that has a lot to do with how he personally viewed being at the finals, but not winning.
• 1:05:38
  [SPEAKER_06]: But at the same time, it's like, that's a huge feat to, right, at the finals.
• 1:05:44
  [SPEAKER_06]: You were at the, we saw you at the finals at high school, and then, and then you're at the finals for two years in a row in college, that's absurd, like it's really, it's, that's ridiculously huge to, to, to, to, to, to even do, you know, and, and yeah, and so I guess, you know, even figuring out a way to show us even what that means in the, in the, in the, in the, in the movie rather than it being like,
• 1:06:12
  [SPEAKER_06]: The expected, well, he's going to be at the finals, but then he's going to lose, you know, like showing literally just the weight of what that being.
• 1:06:18
  [SPEAKER_06]: So I think you had have helped agreed.
• 1:06:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:06:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it was also the movie was too long, right?
• 1:06:26
  [SPEAKER_06]: It didn't about the length did not bother me, but I do think that the amount of time it covered wasn't an issue, so I think that goes hand in hand.
• 1:06:34
  [SPEAKER_06]: But it didn't feel too long to me, though.
• 1:06:36
  [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
• 1:06:36
  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, I guess, hold on, wait, I'm maybe that's a lie.
• 1:06:38
  [SPEAKER_06]: I kept checking to see how much time was left.
• 1:06:41
  [SPEAKER_06]: I did keep doing it.
• 1:06:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: I did think it would go, let me tell you.
• 1:06:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: When he finally wanted to end, I was like, thank, I was like, was after this.
• 1:06:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: How many minutes?
• 1:06:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: Three minutes, I, to give me the wrap up real quick, bro, you're gonna real quick.
• 1:06:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: Also, give me more Don Cheeto.
• 1:06:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, that's my last thought.
• 1:07:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, give me more Don Cheeto.
• 1:07:02
  [SPEAKER_06]: I genuinely thought at first that they had Don Cheeto for a day.
• 1:07:06
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I mean, they probably only had a foot there.
• 1:07:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: They probably had a foot there.
• 1:07:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:07:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's probably a 2K now.
• 1:07:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's crazy short.
• 1:07:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: No way.
• 1:07:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: No way was.
• 1:07:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's crazy.
• 1:07:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's such a big part of it.
• 1:07:17
  [SPEAKER_06]: No way.
• 1:07:17
  [SPEAKER_06]: What's no.
• 1:07:18
  [SPEAKER_06]: There's no way.
• 1:07:19
  [SPEAKER_06]: There's no way it was for days.
• 1:07:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: Right, man.
• 1:07:22
  [SPEAKER_06]: We're going to have you at the school.
• 1:07:23
  [SPEAKER_06]: We're going to have you in the office.
• 1:07:25
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, we're going to have you.
• 1:07:26
  [SPEAKER_06]: No, he had to be more in the four days.
• 1:07:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: There.
• 1:07:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, bro.
• 1:07:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think about it from the patients.
• 1:07:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, but think about it.
• 1:07:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: Think about it.
• 1:07:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: For a, for a, for a.
• 1:07:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: that most of that scene at first was at that one campus, ASU, that's three sets.
• 1:07:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: If it was actual location, you can get that shit done in a day.
• 1:07:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: You could have him write the track, the, it's like the mountains.
• 1:07:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: So that's what it said, one day.
• 1:07:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's what it said.
• 1:07:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: You could have him do all the in the gym stuff, like with the other kids, even them telling a drug room, you could be on a team.
• 1:07:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: even him telling him, I was told to give it to you straight, that all could be one day.
• 1:08:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like it all be one long day is an indie so they're moving fast and then you do all your big, like a locker room and your two is only two literally we don't see the real do that many matches.
• 1:08:19
  [SPEAKER_06]: It's like you can always see them do for we seem to for
• 1:08:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe I could give you a run for a period yeah, I tell me don't she was on that set more to like like more to four days I'm like a no way a no way a I began for there for five All right The other thing the last thing I wanted to say was just that
• 1:08:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: Apparently in real life Anthony Rose like in like created a move like invented a move I'm so upset I can invented an offensive move like he had to do because he only had one leg and I was like why did they never talk about this?
• 1:08:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's crazy to make what move was it?
• 1:09:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: Do you know what it was?
• 1:09:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: No, I don't know if we would understand it and maybe that's why they didn't talk about it But like try yeah
• 1:09:08
  [SPEAKER_06]: You know what I mean though, like I understand like they try to little bit with the points like I didn't fully understand But and I guess they didn't actually try that much, but they at least were like two points like one point like, you know a thing they're shouting out That's stuck out to me watching this was like what's the was I think that that I think all sports movies have to do But I only realized it with this because of how unfamiliar with with
• 1:09:38
  [SPEAKER_06]: a visual language for like what's going to be a point and what's not going to be a point like to to anyone that doesn't understand it you have to figure out a way to like make a pattern out of this is successful and this is unsuccessful and so like I was like oh wow cool like I feel like I understand what he has to do to get out of this match or to get out of this bubble of all
• 1:10:00
  [SPEAKER_06]: but then now with that being a real experience that I had watching this, learning that he created a move, that they could have spent any amount of time showing us that he did.
• 1:10:12
  [SPEAKER_06]: It's so...
• 1:10:14
  [SPEAKER_06]: that's so upset.
• 1:10:15
  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm so mad.
• 1:10:16
  [SPEAKER_06]: I, I, oh, uh, uh, uh, Furious.
• 1:10:21
  [SPEAKER_06]: Furious had these filmmakers.
• 1:10:22
  [SPEAKER_06]: Furious created a move.
• 1:10:25
  [SPEAKER_06]: Like every time they kept doing the like, the hand thing, I was like, it's the movie.
• 1:10:29
  [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know if that's, I don't even know if that's what the movie is, right?
• 1:10:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't got it.
• 1:10:32
  [SPEAKER_06]: But every time they kept doing the hand thing, I was like,
• 1:10:34
  [SPEAKER_06]: That feels very important to specifically wrestling with somebody who has one leg, you know, like, how you can, how you can best somebody's, your position on their hands or whatever feels important in this way, I don't know if that's what the move is, but if it is or has anything to do with that, y'all could have told us, y'all could have told us this, oh, I'm mad, I'm mad, I'm upset, you know what, fuck this movie, fucks up, fucks up, fucks up, fucks up, fucks up, fucks up, fucks up, fucks up, fucks up, fucks up, fucks up, fucks up, fucks up, fucks up, fucks up, fucks up, fucks up, fucks up, fucks up, fucks up, fucks up, fucks up, fucks up, fucks up, fucks up, fucks up, fucks up, fucks up, fucks up, fuck
• 1:11:03
  [SPEAKER_06]: Like what apparently like one of the reasons.
• 1:11:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: No, I come on.
• 1:11:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: Come on.
• 1:11:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: Come on.
• 1:11:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: Come on.
• 1:11:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: Who are you going?
• 1:11:09
  [SPEAKER_04]: Who are you going?
• 1:11:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: Well, what are the one of the other things that made him so great?
• 1:11:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: Was his was his grip strength, and he had such tremendous grip strength because he used his crutches.
• 1:11:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: They didn't talk about that.
• 1:11:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like why not?
• 1:11:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: Why not explain some of this stuff like that.
• 1:11:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's the stuff that I, you know.
• 1:11:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: It feel like the movie took for Grant or like they didn't.
• 1:11:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: They were like, well, nobody cares about the specifics of wrestling.
• 1:11:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm like, dude, we're watching wrestling.
• 1:11:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like, explain it to us like we can't like you can't have us try to care about something and then be also think that we won't be bothered.
• 1:11:47
  [SPEAKER_06]: You know, to hear about your work, I mean, that's clearly, I mean, not to, not to who I like, you know, studio notes from time to time, I will, I can appreciate them.
• 1:12:00
  [SPEAKER_06]: But that is clearly someone from the outside saying, like,
• 1:12:06
  [SPEAKER_06]: this won't be entertaining like we're moving these particular facts that are wildly unique to the story and then and then and then as a result wildly interesting to to almost anyone who decides to watch this anyone who said it goes going I want to watch this movie would find any of those things interesting but that it must mean that someone who had nothing to do with the actual like
• 1:12:34
  [SPEAKER_06]: tangible filmmaking saying well, I don't no one cares about Yeah, well, yeah, I'm just ridiculous Ridiculous thing to to remove from a story like this.
• 1:12:47
  [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, you're yes You're yes, yep
• 1:12:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: All right.
• 1:12:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I guess it's time for the cause we rate and review films not based on how much we like them, but whether or not they help the cause of leading black actors in Hollywood.
• 1:13:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: So if the film fully helps that cause, we give it a black fist.
• 1:13:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: If it's somewhat helps the cause, we give it a white palm and if it doesn't help the cause at all.
• 1:13:09
  [SPEAKER_04]: Well, we don't give it anything.
• 1:13:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: So in the count of three, we'll raise our rating for unstopable 2024.
• 1:13:16
  [SPEAKER_04]: Not to be confused with Denzel, 2010.
• 1:13:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: 2010, just fine.
• 1:13:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: About a train.
• 1:13:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: Really good movie.
• 1:13:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
• 1:13:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: Really good film.
• 1:13:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
• 1:13:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Are the count of three?
• 1:13:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, one, two, three.
• 1:13:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
• 1:13:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
• 1:13:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I wanted to give it a fist because it's like Terrell Jerome, you know, obviously famous when they see us and and he's
• 1:14:01
  [SPEAKER_04]: You know, leading in this film and like it, it like Jennifer Lopez is in it and don't Sheetle and they and it got an FYC campaign, but it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it
• 1:14:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: He spent so much time on this, and man, that must have been so disappointing.
• 1:14:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: To spend so much time on our role, and not, I don't know if it's like moves his career forward.
• 1:14:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like, if anything, it's just like, yeah, you did this movie, people didn't see it, and now your star has dimmed, and the momentum you had from when they see us is completely gone.
• 1:14:42
  [SPEAKER_06]: And you need time out here.
• 1:14:43
  [SPEAKER_06]: Really get time to get like this.
• 1:14:47
  [SPEAKER_06]: You need to tell me every little talking about specifically that makes me so sad because it's true sad, but it's like, but it's like, if somebody on Jarrell's level, you know, who's, you know, younger than me, but on his level their star is dimmed by doing a movie like this.
• 1:15:07
  [SPEAKER_06]: How can I expect to do, how can I expect to do anything if stars are dimming because of roles that you take or whatever is, oh man.
• 1:15:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I mean, that's why I gave it a poem.
• 1:15:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think I think the drill, Jerome aspect of it is what I struggle with, because I do want to see him do more movies.
• 1:15:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: I do have an issue with how black people
• 1:15:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, like men in particular, when you have these movies where like, you know, a drill.
• 1:15:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, honestly, just the gas for moonlight, because that's the only movie we've really had that's featured us really on an Oscar level and like the last decade.
• 1:15:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: When I think about them, I thought all three of them were going to become big.
• 1:15:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: I thought if you take the equivalent men of their ages, like drill, drone, you take them with each
• 1:16:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, right.
• 1:16:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, Jacob, I was a name.
• 1:16:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Jacob Chimbley.
• 1:16:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: You take, um, well, Jacob Chimbley's younger than, broiled.
• 1:16:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, but I'm, but I'm about to get to that part.
• 1:16:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: So it was, uh, uh, it's Jacob Chimbley.
• 1:16:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then the equivalent of him at the time would have been like Alex Alex.
• 1:16:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 1:16:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 1:16:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Hibbert, who was the very young version of, um,
• 1:16:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: uh... he was little then you also take action centers who i think probably still that movie and they have not been giving even close to the opportunities that like these other uh...
• 1:16:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: in it, in it hurt.
• 1:16:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: So when I see a drill drill in my understanding why he would do a movie like this, but also because the drill drill is in this movie, I do think we really had opportunity to find an actor who lived with a disability, because I don't think you need a drill drill to get this movie made, because he had Jennifer Lopez, you had Michael Paine, you had Don Chido, and you had, I mean, really just jail on Don Chido wasn't enough.
• 1:17:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I think you could have had someone else start in this movie,
• 1:17:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: I haven't had that kind of representation.
• 1:17:07
  [SPEAKER_06]: Jail alone probably would have been enough.
• 1:17:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: But Jail, and don't you know.
• 1:17:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, no, no, exactly.
• 1:17:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I think that is one of the things I heard said as well, but also like he might have been attached before them, which, which honestly, still I still don't think he should have been deleted as lowly.
• 1:17:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like I think you should have.
• 1:17:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: I just don't, I just really don't, I think I think if we are in a world where we're talking about representation on screen, I, there is 100% in me, I believe that you're going to find someone who's moving.
• 1:17:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: I hear about why people being discovered every day for the damnedest reasons, and I'm like, y'all could have lived.
• 1:17:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
• 1:17:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like, we could have found somebody.
• 1:17:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: And what sucks about it, too, is I do think Braylock is, right, when it comes to
• 1:17:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: And technically he hasn't had that many shots like he had that TV show, the boots rally TV show which didn't do well.
• 1:17:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I was 20 22 maybe 20 21 22 apparently was 20 23 even though I feel like it was 20 20s.
• 1:18:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: I thought so too.
• 1:18:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: No, just time has been time.
• 1:18:09
  [SPEAKER_04]: I know time.
• 1:18:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: Who knows what time?
• 1:18:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: No.
• 1:18:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, according to IMDB, it came out.
• 1:18:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 1:18:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: current DMDB came out 2020 but even that movie that movie kind of came in with I mean that show sorry that series came in with I didn't even finish it sure did unfortunately you know I'm looking at this movie I went to watch this movie I genuinely until Bralok says something was about to watch the Denzel movie like I like you know we didn't do the Denzel movie already well what's so funny is that literally every time I talked about this movie every single person thought I was talking about the Denzel movie
• 1:18:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: Bro, I, everything in me thought you were.
• 1:18:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: Everything in me thought you were talking about Denzel.
• 1:18:47
  [SPEAKER_06]: I'll just say, like, as y'all were, we're talking, you know, and I gave, I gave this movie a fist for Gerald Rome, specifically, and then also just, you know, it being populated with black actors, but like definitely, you know,
• 1:19:03
  [SPEAKER_06]: you know, considering the thesis of this podcast, like not finding a person that lives with a disability who's also an actor who could have played the role.
• 1:19:12
  [SPEAKER_06]: I think is a major misstep specifically as it relates to this podcast, you know, which I do also think, you know,
• 1:19:25
  [SPEAKER_06]: You know, had this same thing like like James Franco cuts off his arm in 127 hours.
• 1:19:30
  [SPEAKER_06]: Should he have been someone who had his forearm already removed to play the part or I don't know.
• 1:19:37
  [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.
• 1:19:38
  [SPEAKER_06]: It's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's
• 1:19:48
  [SPEAKER_06]: It's only different in that.
• 1:19:49
  [SPEAKER_06]: It's only, I mean, sure, sure.
• 1:19:51
  [SPEAKER_06]: We can, we can, we can get to different.
• 1:19:54
  [SPEAKER_06]: I was just the first in that.
• 1:19:55
  [SPEAKER_06]: That was the first thing I could do.
• 1:19:56
  [SPEAKER_06]: I could do that.
• 1:19:57
  [SPEAKER_06]: I could do that.
• 1:19:58
  [SPEAKER_06]: That was just the first in that bottom of mind.
• 1:20:00
  [SPEAKER_06]: I was the talking about it.
• 1:20:01
  [SPEAKER_06]: But I, I, I just mean that white people do this.
• 1:20:05
  [SPEAKER_06]: Why people do this?
• 1:20:07
  [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, for sure.
• 1:20:08
  [SPEAKER_06]: And I don't, yes, it's why that was the first in that pop episode about my head.
• 1:20:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but then why people do it is still it.
• 1:20:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think like there was a like take it not even with a disability, but take it even with like the queer community.
• 1:20:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: There was such a backlash because you know, a white actor, a white straight male actor would play everything.
• 1:20:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: And when an Oscar or like get Oscar the invitation game, the thing is that the backlash is for that are not strong enough to because that Hollywood doesn't not care.
• 1:20:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: They still do that and they succeed on there.
• 1:20:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: You know what I mean?
• 1:20:41
  [SPEAKER_06]: I said I said that Andre Briler was gay because I thought he was gay in the, you know, and you did just like, not.
• 1:20:48
  [SPEAKER_06]: And I was wrong about that, but I just assumed because the way Hollywood was going, that that was a that was a reveal.
• 1:20:55
  [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
• 1:20:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: like up until like even like Daniel Craig and queer, you know, like being praised for that role and yeah like oh yeah there are certain things and look I obviously care about disability representation and in films like Anthony Robus was a part of this movie making process and I think yeah he was probably excited to have like an actor that felt like they had some
• 1:21:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: sort of grab these playing him.
• 1:21:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: Sure.
• 1:21:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: Sure.
• 1:21:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: You know, um, and sadly, it's such a, it's so hard to even get anything made.
• 1:21:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: Where the character has a disability, let alone the real person.
• 1:21:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 1:21:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 1:21:42
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's like that's how far back.
• 1:21:43
  [SPEAKER_04]: We are, you know, like, if the character has a disability, the people are like, I don't know if anybody wants to see you as
• 1:21:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: but I totally hear you.
• 1:21:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: I obviously agree.
• 1:21:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: I like trying myself and been trying to make something with Steve for God knows how to walk in this industry really doesn't want it to happen.
• 1:22:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: But unless it's about his disability, which is so the moment.
• 1:22:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 1:22:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, that's the foot in the door.
• 1:22:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's even if it's not real.
• 1:22:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 1:22:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: I've had people go, oh, so it's about the
• 1:22:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: So you're going to do this and I'm like, no, it's wild how that's still.
• 1:22:27
  [SPEAKER_06]: hasn't changed like like for as much as for as much as the industry has quote unquote in heavy air quotes evolved.
• 1:22:37
  [SPEAKER_06]: The reality is still that like the the powers that be that are you know buying things in blah blah blah are sort of filtering things
• 1:22:54
  [SPEAKER_06]: and they are sort of only going, you know, what do I get or understand about that?
• 1:23:00
  [SPEAKER_06]: You know, like, brought something being broad, right?
• 1:23:03
  [SPEAKER_06]: More accessible means white, straight, white male, typically, right?
• 1:23:10
  [SPEAKER_06]: Like, like, brought an accessible,
• 1:23:12
  [SPEAKER_06]: Because that's a building, it typically means that, but I do think it is skewed more male.
• 1:23:19
  [SPEAKER_06]: I do think it is skewed more male in that in that case, but yes, or woman for sure, but it's wild.
• 1:23:27
  [SPEAKER_06]: Wild that that has not stopped yet, or even remotely evolved.
• 1:23:33
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• 1:23:36
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• 1:23:39
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• 1:23:41
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• 1:23:42
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• 1:23:48
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• 1:24:04
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• 1:24:25
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• 1:24:43
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• 1:24:49
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• 1:25:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: Look that up.
• 1:25:04
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• 1:25:05
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• 1:25:06
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• 1:25:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: Well, we do that.
• 1:25:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: James, you go show it.
• 1:25:09
  [SPEAKER_06]: If you go show it, if you go show it, if you go show it, if you go show it, if you go show it, if you go show it, if you go show it, if you go show it, if you go show it, if you go show it, if you go show it, if you go show it, if you go show it, if you go show it, if you go show it, if you go show it, if you go show it, if you go show it, if you go show it, if you go show it, if you go show it, if you go show it, if
• 1:25:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: Did you listen what I don't know james made a james made a poster the beginning of the year saying, you know Maybe he's back James there is back My god, Dave's you go next
• 1:25:39
  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm going to be at a bunch of cons this year.
• 1:25:44
  [SPEAKER_06]: It's already started the first quarter and film festivals.
• 1:25:47
  [SPEAKER_06]: It's already started the first quarter is there's a lot of stuff.
• 1:25:50
  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm going to try to attend as many as I can if I'm not going to be there.
• 1:25:54
  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm going to also post about that on social media.
• 1:25:57
  [SPEAKER_06]: But the goal for this year is to get my book in hands.
• 1:26:02
  [SPEAKER_06]: You know, it's one thing to post about it, but I got to be, I got to actually be in front of the people and so I'm going to be at these cons.
• 1:26:09
  [SPEAKER_06]: So please come through, come by and say, hi, if I'm, if I'm in your city, in your state, please come through rule three and calm or at rule three ink on Instagram is where you can find all that information.
• 1:26:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yep, I've seen it.
• 1:26:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: I wrote up all James at the passenger of Comic Con.
• 1:26:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: I saw me make you saw me make.
• 1:26:28
  [SPEAKER_06]: I saw, I saw you make you were there.
• 1:26:30
  [SPEAKER_06]: 50 bucks.
• 1:26:32
  [SPEAKER_06]: You were there.
• 1:26:32
  [SPEAKER_06]: I made this over.
• 1:26:35
  [SPEAKER_06]: Exactly.
• 1:26:35
  [SPEAKER_06]: And just a little bit for you.
• 1:26:38
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, for you, you saw me make.
• 1:26:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: Look, listen, that was a lot.
• 1:26:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: I was in four now.
• 1:26:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: And you had a spot in the back, which was crazy.
• 1:26:45
  [SPEAKER_06]: So I just didn't, they had us in the corner.
• 1:26:47
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I was trying to explain to the guy next to us that what killed us the most was that a cross from us was not more people.
• 1:26:54
  [SPEAKER_06]: It was a wall.
• 1:26:55
  [SPEAKER_06]: I was like, just so you know, it was his first con.
• 1:26:58
  [SPEAKER_06]: I was like, just so you know, because there's nobody across from us.
• 1:27:01
  [SPEAKER_06]: We are not making anybody.
• 1:27:02
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's why nobody is here.
• 1:27:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: That won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't
• 1:27:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: Then I am dashing off to do, uh, uh, so improper at UCB at seven policies in wonderful black show, the dope writers.
• 1:27:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: We got people like Keesha's all as apparently back out in the streets again.
• 1:27:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, the way in Perkins would be out.
• 1:27:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, that should be fun at 738.
• 1:27:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm dashing the burbank to flappers to do some stand up.
• 1:27:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: So please come out and do that.
• 1:27:45
  [SPEAKER_06]: You gonna be at flappers, but be at flappers, but never.
• 1:27:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: What time's it again?
• 1:27:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's the show starts at 730.
• 1:27:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I think I will probably get there.
• 1:27:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: It goes.
• 1:27:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's a 90 minute show.
• 1:27:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: I will probably get there at about 830.
• 1:27:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I'll be towards the end of the show.
• 1:28:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's a bunch of things in it's a bunch of opinions is really dope.
• 1:28:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Never been to flappers come show love.
• 1:28:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: I do think they make you buy like water or some shit.
• 1:28:09
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it's a two-drink minimum, but it's a nice, which room are you in?
• 1:28:13
  [SPEAKER_06]: Do you know I have zero idea is a nice set-up Regardless of which room you're in a nice set-up.
• 1:28:18
  [SPEAKER_06]: So y'all should come through.
• 1:28:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: We do a Mabla P3 stuff come through.
• 1:28:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: Mabla P3 stuff this month.
• 1:28:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: We outside and yeah, that's about it Nice.
• 1:28:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: Well, we will see you in two weeks piece
• 1:28:34
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