Latest / Monero Talk / Jeff Berwick on XMR, Encoding Unstoppable Liberty & Escaping Technocratic State | EPI 332
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- Doug All right, we are live. Jeff, what's going on, man? Good, good. Just hanging out over here in Dystopia in good old New York. I got my popcorn popped, ready to tune into the madness. It's been extremely entertaining. I don't know if you view it that way at all. Obviously, I know you see everything as, you know, we're in this matrix here, but are you at least entertained? I find it at least I'm finding it entertaining. Are you? Jeff are you not entertained? Yeah, of course. They have to do that, or else people won't pay attention to their slavery system and participate in it, right? So, yeah, it's always interesting for sure. They're faking assassination. It's like watching the World Wrestling Federation and, you know, Donald Trump is in the World Wrestling Federation Hall of Fame. So they're just, you know, doing a bigger stage here. But yeah, it's definitely never boring. That's, that's definitely for sure. It's kind of funny because, you know, all this stuff that they do and all the chaos they cause, and they always say that anarchy is chaos. But almost every chaotic, horrible thing that happens in the world where there's the wars, the genocide, the extortion, it's all done by them while we're just sitting here saying, this is stupid and horrible. Doug Yeah, yeah, I mean it's um, I I never thought they would be as creative as they have been Like I said I have You know for better or worse i've been entertained, right? I feel like at least you know if they're going to be taking advantage of us the least we could do is uh I don't know get some value out of it in terms of raw entertainment. I mean the two assassination attempts have been insane Uh, i'm sure you have all sorts of theories and thoughts on that like you like you said trump being uh Coming from the the wrestling world where where things are often faked. Doug Um But yeah, what is lay? I mean, are you even obviously you're not you're not a us citizen But what is your advice to people? Um, is it is it the you know? Completely ignore don't vote is it vote for trump because he's perhaps the most disruptive Or is it vote for kamala because she'll make things so so so bad that maybe people will finally wake up Uh, kind of kind of what what is your overall advice with regards to the us election and what citizens should be doing here? other than leaving Jeff Well, I'm just just from the very basics You know, you're one out of 400 million people Basically when you add up all the people voting 20 times But it's basically a complete and total waste of time just from a math perspective It also is a setup in such a way that it's all a show It's it's all to fool people into thinking they have the illusion of choice You have the red donkey or sorry the red elephant I always mix them up and the blue donkey and those are your two choices every single time and they basically are controlled by The exact same people that's the thing that people still don't get And I know like Trump will say things like oh he just said like two days ago He's gonna bring on Ron Paul a little last-ditch attempt to try to get the libertarian type people to to be on board with them He said things like he'll free Ross Ulbrich, Jeff which would be super awesome Incredibly awesome, but your vote has nothing to do with it. They're going to do what they're going to do With or without you going into a closet with a shower curtain and ticking a box on an Israeli clothing machine It's it's it's all a show. It's all pre-planned if it actually changed anything. They wouldn't let you do it. That's just how it works so You know, I'm sure if Trump gets in he'll do a few things that will make a few people happy Because that's what they have to do. This is how it all works This is the Joe's plantation. If you haven't seen the movie the Joe's plantation, everyone has to see it It's it's the biggest movie of our generation as far as Doug I think I need to watch that today. Today's probably a good day for people to ignore the noise and maybe give that a watch. But go ahead. Jeff Yeah, there's no better day than today in the U.S. to watch the Jones plantation and not bother going down and standing in line to tick your bucks, which will be recorded improperly anyway. It's like a few ways of time. But yeah, the Jones plantation will be the perfect thing to do. I personally, I'm here on my ranch in Mexico. I'm feeding the chickens. I just got done two hours of meditation with a Tesla machine. So that's how I'm doing things. And that's really the things people need to do is work on themselves because nothing in the world's going to change until you change yourself. I know it sounds almost crazy, but it's actually true. This is basically the true man show. And that's why they call it the Truman Show, the true man show. And it's basically, it's not real. None of this is real. I'm not real, you're not real. It seems real. It's a very persistent illusion, like a dream, but it's not real. Jeff And nothing actually changes until you change yourself. And this is what is almost always the case. People don't want to change themselves or do the work on themselves. They want someone else to fix their problems. And that's where all these memes always come in of all these saviors who are going to save you. And all you got to do is believe in them. And Trump's now one of them. And look, he survived the bullet. It just whizzed by his ear and it left a scar, but no one can see it but him. But he's going to save you, and that's what people do. They don't want to take responsibility. They don't want to wake up. They do want to live in the matrix still. And that's what all those people today are doing. So I would definitely suggest and recommend that instead of doing all that, you watch the Joe's plantation talk about Monero, which can actually change everything here in the matrix. Jeff And it's one of the few things I can't. So those are the important things. All the things that all the slaves and NPCs are doing today are a complete waste of time. And they'll just continue to be enslaved. And nothing really will change too big until they wake up. Although, as I was about to mention before, as far as who gets in, it doesn't really matter. It's just going to be a matter of will you get some mean tweets and people go ha ha ha, he said something funny about people I don't like, or, and rightfully so, you shouldn't like the people that he does that he's talking about, or you'll get the gay tweets. And what has been, whatever his slogan is, it's so communist perfect to put on a wall. But what I expect is no matter who gets in, nothing's going to change. They're going to continue on with this Israel stuff, World War III type stuff, which is all pre-programmed and planned, just like World War I and II, if you even look into them, all those things were lies. Jeff Everything that everyone's been told about them are lies. And that doesn't really matter. Like I said, who gets in, it's just going to be a matter of what, who's going to be annoying us the most over the next few years? Will it be Trump and all the stupid stuff he does, or Kamala and her cackle? I'd prefer Trump personally myself. So, just for personal preference, I don't want to hear that cackle for the next four years. But I know that going into a closet with a shower curtain doesn't change anything. So I'm just waiting to see who they install. And I should say as well, that the way the Jones plantation works is that they always go back and forth and they always have two parties. And those are all the two choices every single time. And so one side will do something incredibly, like unbelievably bad, like the last four years of just flooding the US with illegal alien type people. Jeff I don't even like to use that word. They're human beings, they're not aliens. They're not even really illegal because it's not, the border is an imaginary line, but they fled the place with what it actually is, which is an invading army, which will be taking over a lot of the stuff in the US. And they do it so bad that people wake up and they go, we need someone to save us. Well, it's the Jones one. They've got the guy right there. What a surprise. He's like, I'll fix it. I'll just have to trade a giant police state and do no knock raids on every house and go tear everything apart to go find these people that they didn't. But it's all, it's two puppets doing the same thing over and over. So I'm sure if Trump gets in, he'll do a few things that some people will like and they'll go, see, Jeff, you were wrong. No, that's how it works. Jeff That's how they keep you in sleep. And then Trump will do a ton of other horrible things. Unbelievably horrible things, including bankrupting the US, which it already is, which we should get into. And then if Kamala gets in, it'll probably just be more of the same sort of stuff. And then the right wing people get all mad. There'll be all kinds of like chaos going on, which is what they say anarchy is while they all fight over the ring of power, that people behind the scenes control that no one even knows who they even really are. Doug Who do you think they are? What's your theory there? How deep does it go? How deep does the rabbit hole go? How dark does it get? Who's pulling the Jeff It gets really deep and really dark, and I don't think I'm even at the bottom of the rabbit hole yet. In shorter terms, in ways that we won't get kicked off YouTube immediately, I would say it's basically those secret societies is how you can look at it. You can call them the Illuminati, the Mesas, the Jesuits, the Jews, all these sort of things. They've been in power for a long time in this world. Even the whole Roman Catholic thing, that was all of them as well. But who's behind them? We have names, we see some people, but I really wonder if it's not even something that's not even human. The religious type people will say it's basically Satan. If you look at this world, it definitely looks like that's what it is. There's other people who talk about the Atlantean sort of things and the Nephilim. There's a great book about that that you might want to read. It's really great. It's called The Apocalypse of Yajnavalkia that says that in Atlantis, they were like a perfect sort of a place. Jeff And then the bad Atlanteans, which are called the Nephilim, sort of broke off. And the Atlanteans actually left the planet or whatever this realm is. They're supposed to be coming back soon, by the way. So that's some good news if that happens. But yeah, you can try to figure it out forever. But my whole thing is I meditate hours per day. I've been doing that for about five, six, seven years. I've realized what this all is. And none of it actually really exists. You're just having an experience. And the more that you worry about all these outside sort of things, the more you actually create all these problems. And as I said earlier, the only way to fix anything. So if you think the world sucks, you have to do the work on yourself. Make yourself physically perfect, mentally perfect, get out all your old traumas or not, because your mind actually creates this world. Jeff So those are the things that people need to do, but most people won't do them. And then here in the matrix, you can try to fix things to an extent. And that's why I've been so such a huge proponent of cryptocurrencies and specifically Monero for, I don't know, since 2017, I think with Monero. Once I realized that the same old club was taking over Bitcoin, which they did all the way back then to in certain respects, they definitely hamstring that they made it so it can't become digital cash. And it's certainly not private cash, which Satoshi also wanted to do, but hadn't gotten around to. But then he kind of quit Bitcoin and then all of a sudden Monero popped up. So I still kind of wonder about that. Jeff But yeah, here in the matrix, there's some things you can do to make this place a way better. And one of them is to take away the power and control of the money system from all these evil people. And there's no better currency on Earth to do that as far as the size of it, how long it's been around, how tested it is than Monero. Do you. Doug do you think it's possible for us to succeed in that we build out a circular economy outside of the state controlled system? Obviously you sound like an optimist, right? Otherwise you wouldn't be talking about Monero, but I mean, what is the goal? What can we try to let, what can we ultimately achieve? Jeff Well, I don't know about you, but I do almost everything I'm an arrow, but that's pretty much most. Doug But I'm saying, how good can it get, right? I mean, obviously Bitcoin got co-opted, right? Does Monero eventually get co-opted or is this, you know, as good as we hope and it becomes this tool that preserves our liberty in the digital age? I mean, am I silly when I promoted as that? Am I being naive or do you think there's some hope there? There's always Jeff hope. It really takes a lot of people changing, though, a lot of people realizing and starting to use it and those sort of things, and then being very careful about it, that it doesn't get hijacked, just like Bitcoin kind of did. But if it does, something else will just pop up in this place. The thing that Monero's really done for, what is it? It's been a long time. Monero's been around a long time. Well, in crypto terms, not at all. It's been a quarter of a second. Yeah. So it's 10 years now, right? So, you know, I have no doubt what we've already seen things like the FBI say. I remember there was a government panel on cryptocurrencies and one of them, I think it was the IRS or the FBI said, thank God Monero is like number 35 on the coin market cap list, because if that gets up near the top 10 again, like it was 10 years ago, Jeff they're all in big trouble. That's what they said. And that's totally true. So there's tons of hope in that respect. The sad thing is most people don't even know what the problem is. So therefore they don't even know how to fix it. But then even those people who know what the problem is, they rarely do enough to make those changes in the world. But we are seeing that and we are going to be in Mexico City in what, like 10 days from now, talking about this against Monero topia. And, you know, there's for anyone who hasn't gone to an event like that, it's really inspiring. Like the people that are working on this stuff and are involved and are doing things are incredible people. And I said that last year when I spoke of Monero topia that like I stopped speaking at Bitcoin conferences years ago because it's all status and idiots and NBC's and it's already been taken over and they don't even know it. Jeff They don't even care. They're all just lining up behind Michael Saylor, who's trying to get them all to give him his Bitcoin. And he's he's like, don't worry, I'm sure the government won't be able to control me and all these sort of things. So it's become a giant mess. Don't get me wrong. I still have some Bitcoin. I think it's going to go up. But in general, if you're asked me, like what crypto do I think is the most important crypto? Definitely Monero. Now there's other ones and I'm fans of numerous other ones. Pirate Chain is still doing some pretty awesome stuff. And I think that's great. I think the whole privacy area is so huge. I think people still don't even realize how huge that is. And I think what's going on with all these governments and what we're seeing even today and what's going to happen after that, people more and more are realizing if you don't have not only your own keys, but no one can tell that you have your own keys or even know it exists. Jeff The chances of you surviving the next few years are definitely the next decade. And keeping your wealth intact is pretty close to zero. And we have all these cryptocurrencies that are all it's actually insane. I can't believe that almost every cryptocurrency on earth is completely not encrypted. Like it's a cryptocurrency like everyone can see every single transaction that happens. That's insane. Like I remember when the internet started because I was around for it, I was all excited about the internet as well. I said, that's going to change a lot of stuff. And now most people are just on their phones, watching cat videos and totally mesmerized and lost in the matrix again. But I remember when the internet started, a lot of people were talking back in 1992, 1993, we got to get these things encrypted. Jeff Anyone who has access to like any sort of router can see every single thing that everyone does. We're not going to be able to have banks have websites on the internet if anyone can see all the transactions happening. And very quickly they came up with the HTTPS. They added the encryption to the browsers and in many ways encrypted the internet. But with crypto, we're 15 years in or more with Bitcoin and it's all the cryptos are still, they don't have encryption. They're not private. It's absolutely insane, but most people just can't see it. But I'm actually very optimistic about Monero. I think everything going on in the world will, it's only positive for Monero. It's unfortunate that it's taking so long for people to realize they need it, but they will realize there's going to be a moment for many people when they're in a concentration camp or they just lost everything they own. Jeff They're going to go, should have had Monero. And it's just going to be too late for them, unfortunately, but it's not too late for a lot of people watching this show. And so hopefully more people find out about it and come to things like Monero topia coming up in Mexico city in less than two. Doug weeks now yeah yeah yeah basically next week I know next week we're at 350 live viewers right now that's amazing guys like like and share retweet let's let's get more people in here especially on election day I think is the perfect day to be hanging out with Jeff Berwick here in his takes on things getting some balance Jeff Matt so we'll bounce around a little bit I want to stay on the matrix topic a little bit why why are you so so certain you know like has this been a certainty of yours for a long time or did something like happen to you really like you said you've been meditating a lot why are you so confident in your beliefs that where you know we are it we are in fact in a matrix Jeff Well, actually, I came to it mostly logically. If you really logically try to figure out what is this? What am I? What is this universe? I remember asking myself even 20 years ago, so I sat down and I thought about it. I'm like, okay, what is this? What am I, how am I here? What is this? Like, it's crazy and nobody even thinks about it. And I thought, okay, so we're in this universe. And then I thought, okay, so how far does the universe go? And then I thought, well, what? Is there a wall at the end? Is there a trillion light years that way? Is there a wall? Well, what's on the other side of that wall? And then I was like, well, this doesn't make any sense. This can't exist. This can't logically exist. And I know you can go into wormholes and black holes and all this, eh, it's all BS. But over time, I just began meditating more and more. And as you do, you get outside your mind. Jeff A lot of people don't know this. And actually, I should really talk to the crypto people out there because I see that a lot with the crypto people. You know, no offense at all. I'm a computer nerd. I was a computer nerd in 1980. My hacker name was Bilbo Baggins. I was running hot copies of Load Runner on floppy disks. They're using black boxes to send them to people in other cities and hoping that the phone line didn't ring so that my call waiting thing wouldn't come on and hang up my modem while I tried to upload Load Runner for three straight days, which is like three megabytes. So I actually come from the computer nerd background, not to call everyone computer nerds who are into crypto, but there is a lot. And I see that they don't, haven't thought about any of this stuff. They're very, you know, just in their world of computers and encryption and all that. Jeff And that's great. That's actually great. But what I'm trying to say to them is think about what this is. What are you? And a lot of these people that do these things are very smart. So they'll be able to think about it like me. And if you just think about it, it's like, well, this can't possibly exist. And then you kind of realize, oh, it's basically, and this is actually exciting all the computer nerds. This is a 3D video game. A lot of computer nerds are playing 3D video games in the 3D video game. It's a complete waste of time. You came in to play this game. Why not play it? You're in it, but they're playing 3D video games in the 3D video game. And you can do anything to this video game, by the way, especially if you really start to do meditation. You'll start to get out of your mind. You'll start to get downloads. These are the boosts you get in the video game. Jeff You get all kinds of amazing things. I got a Tesla machine handed to me after I reached a certain level. And now I can heal anything and anyone with it and have energy levels that are beyond belief. It's one of the power-ups in this video game, but you have to do the work. Doug All right, what is it? What is the tech you got you got to tell us about this Tesla machine? I'm sure you will and is it first question. Is it available for Monero? Can I buy Tesla machine on XMR bizarre calm for Monera? You know what? Jeff That's mostly all things not cuz Monero. They don't take credit cards. They don't take paper They're actually underground because I should just explain what it is This is basically Nikola Tesla's technology that takes the plasma the light a force energy also known as scalar energy Which has been well talked about by many people including Einstein was a bit of a puppet, but This has been looked into for a long time. It takes it out This is what all those old structures were in like Tartaria. Those were plasma Focuses so they would take the plasma out of the air and put into one area and you would heal anything in it You get all kinds of downloads and stuff. Jeff So Nikola Tesla Basically rediscovered it because it's been around before he was even talking about it And then interestingly enough the CIA and Donald Trump stole all his technology And a lot of this technology hasn't been really known for about a hundred years and then a crazy Mexican scientist in Mexico basically rediscovered it and learned how to improve it dramatically like five times more powerful than even Nikola Tesla was doing and And he created it So i've actually got one now and you can actually get one and the mostly only except Monero So this is a perfect show to talk about it. Actually, I didn't even think about it. But uh, yeah These are mostly except Monero really like if you if you go and talk to them, how do I get one? They'll say we we prefer Monero. Um, if you say what it was Doug What is this thing called? What is the website? What is the website here? Jeff It's T-Z-L-A dot club. So it sounds like Tesla, T-Z-L-A dot club. And it's a very sparse website because it's completely underground because the big pharma and the CIA, if they find out this technology is out and people are getting access to it, they'll try to kill everyone involved. So these guys are deep underground. They're accepting Monero and you get a machine that basically cures anything. Like I cure people almost every day here. There's people that have the machine. They're almost always curing something with it. It's life force energy. So this will take down big pharma and it's mostly accepted, just Monero. They'll also accept Tero, they've set higher chain. They will also accept Bitcoin but they'll tell you to send it to an address. Well, they'll immediately swap it into Monero so now we'll contract it. So it's basically all run on Monero. Speaker 2 Do you love coffee and Monero as much as we do? Consider making gratuitous.org your daily cup. Pay with Monero for premium fresh beans and if you like what you taste, send a digital cash tip directly to the farmers that made it possible. Proceeds help us grow this channel, gratuitous and Monero. Doug Interesting it's just thing. All right. All right. I didn't see I didn't see that one coming Yeah, it looks like there's not much info on the site right now, but I guess I guess well I guess you got hardly anything. It's Jeff Super great, but you can get a brochure for it, which describes a lot of the stuff and a lot of the people. Doug Will you have one of these at Monero topia? You need one of these set up at Monero topia man. I can turn Jeff on right now, but I can turn it on right now, but it would make all this stuff fry. Doug Oh shit, so you're going to knock out the Monerotopia livestream at the conference of Utah? Can you? Jeff bring it down? My monitor starts going crazy. It's intense, crazy. It brings in all the life force energy into this basically this room. Doug It all serious you think you think you could bring it to the conference. I'm not Jeff Actually, it's funny, I didn't even think of the connection between Tesla and Monero until we just brought it up. I'm traveling to Monero-Topia with my Tesla machine because I'm going after that to meet with some people that I want to show the Tesla machine to. So I'm going to actually have it with me. But here's the thing, I'm not going to be there long because I'm super, super busy. But if you want to try it out, I'll be there all day Thursday and I'm leaving Friday. I just have too many things to do. It's really hard for me to fit this in, but I don't know. Doug That we have that dome that we have the dome you were there last year. The dome is really cool You'll be talking on stage. We have you as a speaker for the first day because I know I know you're busy You got a run. So we have you speaking on Thursday But yeah, maybe maybe if it's not too crazy Maybe you could you could run the run the machine or at least show people the machine it would be it would be pretty wild And I'm sure you'll get some you'll get some good Jeff You know, actually, now that I think about it, we should have a Tesla machine at your conference and I should have someone there to run it. We did that at Liber Polco. It was running nonstop, by the way, because people were like, whoa, I just heard this guy. People would be like, I had like a migraine headache and I just went over there and it's gone now. And then maybe we should talk about that. That's not a bad idea because I'm here in Mexico anyway. I've got lots of work for me. I could have someone go there and stay at the conference the entire time. And yeah, let's do that. Let's do that. So it'll be at Moneratopia. I'll make sure it happens. All right. Doug Just just don't knock out our internet man. Just don't knock out our internet. That's all Jeff keep it away from like computers and internet even if it's about 20 to 30 feet away it's fine but my machine's like five feet away so if i turn it on here this whole everything go off it just start like going crazy Doug I'm sure the Monero community will have some tough questions though. These guys get some smart dudes. We are at 366 live views. Guys like and retweet use XMRchat.com slash MoneroTalk to send us a Monero-based superchat. I'll pull it up on the screen if you have any questions for Jeff. It's super easy to use. Just go to XMRchat.com slash MoneroTalk. You don't need to create an account. You just type in whatever made up user name you want to use. Type in your comment and send any amount of Monero and it will send a superchat. Yeah, give it a go. I tell people to use it all the time on this show. Jeff, are you familiar with XMRchat.com? I'm trying to spread the word. Especially people like you. People with the following to start using it. This is a way to get around centralized systems. It's all peer to peer. We take no fees. It's great for streamers that might... Yeah, I am saying controversial things so they... Okay, go ahead. Jeff Yeah, so I'm familiar with it. The thing is that I mostly just do walk and talks with my Chihuahuas, so I don't take questions or anything. So I haven't had the need to use it, but I definitely think it's super awesome. Doug right up we got our first one Woes tipped 50 cents put it upstairs if that upstairs area is available actually that's a great idea um how do you know Woes yeah actually the upstairs is available uh because we we only have one stage going this year we were gonna put the uh the hackers upstairs but uh we'll see we'll find a place for it we'll find a place um cool man yeah very excited that you're you're finding the time to stop by uh and uh you know obviously i think i think you're you're among among uh you know freedom-loving people at Monerotopia i'm sure i'm sure you'd say the same right you were there last year right the vibe the vibe is is pretty legit right Jeff Yeah, for people who are really interested in things like Monero, it's a great event. Absolutely. It reminds me a lot of some of our old crypto POCO events at Anarka POCO. Anarka POCO is actually, it still has some crypto stuff at it. It definitely does. We kind of have almost an entire crypto day because we have five full days, which is also awesome. But being at Monero topia with all the really hardcore people is really cool. It reminds me a lot of our old meetups with Bitcoin back in like 2011. It was just like the hardest core people. Now it's, you know, you go to a Bitcoin conference and it's just a bunch of NPCs who want to see the number go up and all that stupid stuff. Doug I mean, you think Bitcoin's completely gone at this point? Has it been co-opted? Can it regain its pure to pure nature? It had it in the early days, right? The first app for Bitcoin was Silk Road. That's what people were using it for. Obviously it didn't work well for those purposes people didn't realize at the time. But do you think it's gone or can it be brought back? Jeff Well, one of the people working the hardest to bring it back is one of your other speakers at Manero Autopia, who also works with me at the Crypto Vigilante, Rafael La Verde, and his group of underground and cap hacker guys have almost retaken control of Bitcoin again by putting all kinds of those ordinals and all these sort of things. They've actually remade a lot of the functionality of Bitcoin again because Bitcoin was actually designed to be like Manero, is designed to be like Ethereum. It could be anything but they hamstrung it, they hamstrung it, hamstrung it to the point it can't even be P2P cash barely at all anymore because of how it's set up with the fees and the mining and all this sort of stuff. So there's hope that Bitcoin can, Rafael La Verde though, if you haven't had him on recently, you really should. He can go crazy for hours talking about all the stuff that he's all excited about with it. Jeff But there's definitely, there's a lot changing. There's been a kind of a renewed, actually, Rafael says just as of this year, they won the civil war that started in 2017, which they weren't winning for a long time. The thing with me personally is unless Bitcoin is private at the protocol level, which I don't think it ever will be as far as I can tell, then it's not the most important cryptocurrency in the world for what we need if we're going to survive this apocalypse. And that's Manero right now. Doug All right, all right, we're at 380 live viewers. I'm gonna quickly take a commercial break here and shill the conference and we'll be back. Ask Jeff more questions. Guys, send me your questions for Jeff. Use xmrchat.com slash MoneroTalk. Send me your Monero-based super chats. Like and share, we're at 380 live viewers. Let's save more people today. There's a bunch of people out there on X. They're watching the election, right? They're totally tuning in. 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Enter promo code 1-800-MONEROTOPIA to get 10% off your order. Speaker 2 I just think so, I wasn't thinking. Duh. You're right. Jeff already. That's way, you know, $89 and buy like three packs of cigarettes in Canada now. I try to make it as a, yeah, we do. You think you want to help people, right? And you want to get more people. You actually attract more people if you raise the prices. You'll attract, because a lot of people who are more than $89, it must be nothing special, right? So the price is actually part of the market, so just give me a little tip. Very true. I'd rate for like 400 bucks. Doug Yeah, you are a master of marketing and it is important right cuz of the other day Jeff I like gold, I'm giving you the info. Doug Yeah, no, I appreciate that. As you know, my goal is to grow adoption as much as possible. So yeah, my logic there is we make the money off the sponsors, and then we can make the tickets as cheap and accessible as possible. But I do hear what you're saying. Psychologically, there's probably a lot of truth to what you're saying. But yeah, for now, guys, take advantage of Jeff realizable. Well, I actually didn't fully realize it as well. But what we had actually had to raise an archipelago ticket prices during the covid because we can only have like a certain amount of people. And we wanted to keep it super underground the first year because even in Mexico, like if we had a big event with 1000 people there, it'd be like a huge thing. Like there'd be a big problem because everyone was believing the covid in the early like 2021. So we raised the ticket prices dramatically. And all of a sudden, the conference got so much better in every single way. We had so many amazing people coming to the event and all that kind of thing. But I do understand too, that you want to keep it lower to try to get more people in. And I would suggest that with the live stream, you can definitely do that. And and you know, in that way, try to bring in more people because some people definitely if it's if it's a $300 live stream, they're not going to do it. Jeff But if it's a $70 or $80 live stream, they might do it right here. You try you got a way and balance all these things. We are. Yeah. Doug We did add a live stream ticket, a virtual conference ticket, guys. We waited to add that because we wanted to... We're trying to get people to come in person. Obviously, you get more out of it. It's better for everybody. It's better for you when you come. It's better for everybody that's there. But we did add a virtual conference ticket and they've been very successful in the past. So if you can't make it, please consider attending virtually. We'll be taking your questions virtually. So you will be participating in the conference and you can use code OPTOUT. You get 10% off tickets. There's other codes out there. I know the crypto vigilante has a really good code out there. So you go find them on X and find your way to their code and you get your virtual conference tickets that way as well. But yeah, take advantage of us because right now, we thought best strategy was keep tickets low, but I don't know. Doug I don't know. Jeff might have a point there. I got to ask, what is this that you're inhaling over there? It's obviously not helium. You'd be sounding a few octaves higher. Why? What are you doing over there? Jeff It's actually organic tobacco that I do with a stores and Bickel volcano, which a lot of people use for marijuana. But if they actually go to the stores and Bickel, they'll tell you do not use it with tobacco, which is kind of crazy because for anyone out there who smokes cigarettes, for example, all the problems that you get are from the cigarette itself, from the things they add into it. And you might say, oh, I use organic. They didn't put stuff in the filter, but it's also the fire aspect of it. So that's what causes damage to the lungs. So this actually bakes it. So this is pure nicotine, basically, that I'm inhaling. And it's awesome and it's super healthy. My health coach got me onto it. So yeah, that's what I'm doing. Doug I like that, man. Where do I learn more about that? I'm not a cigarette smoker, but I've heard all these great benefits of nicotine. Jeff health coach, he would never in a million years smoke a cigarette. He wouldn't even eat organic non-organic chicken unless you forced it into his mouth, but he smokes this. So he says it's completely healthy. I'm not trying to get everyone addicted to nicotine, but it actually has a lot of benefits for focus, for grounding you. It's actually really quite healthy. That's another thing they've lied a lot about. And so if you do want to get it for whatever reason, this is the way to do it. It's the only way that is totally healthy. Even those vapes have a lot of problems, the micro-plastics and all kinds of stuff. But yeah, if you do want to get into smoking, getting nicotine, this is a great way to do it. Doug I like it man, I like it. Bring that to Monerotopia, I'll give that a try as well. Jeff I bring it everywhere I go, I'll have it with me. Doug All right, sweet, sweet brother. Yeah, I mean nicotine it's in a lot of things, right? It's it's like it's it's it's It's you know, it's like caffeine, right? It's it's probably you know, even I mean potentially even better than caffeine Jeff and caffeine in many ways. And many ways, caffeine's kind of a poison. Yeah, nicotine's actually almost like a nootropic. But if you do it through cigarettes, you're going to get so many negative effects from it that it kind of outweighs the positive effects. But there are ways to do it. Doug I could I could definitely go down that road. Um Have you seen I gotta ask you this actually because I put this out as a tweet a couple of months ago I guess when I came out there was this this guy he put a video up on X his parents were like physicists and he was kind of like a self-taught and he was experimenting with lasers and DMT at the same time and he defracted a laser onto a wall and He saw I haven't I haven't done research since I don't know if there's a complete scam bogus whenever But the little five-minute video I saw he's he's claiming that He's basically revealed the matrix itself as he was he was on DMT Looking at a laser as it was defracted on the wall and he could see he could see code and then when he moved the laser He saw a different code and then he proceeded to run this experiment with like a hundred of his friends Same setup had them take DMT had them look at the laser. They all saw the they all saw the code Have you heard about this? I gotta ask Jeff Yeah, I did see that. I thought it was quite interesting. Definitely. If you do DMT, you're going to get outside of the matrix for a few minutes. It's it cracks you out of your mind. When you get outside of your mind, see this a lot of things, especially computer type people don't get. They're always in their mind. It's incredibly hard to live that way. You will you'll be a wreck, really, if you just live always in your mind. That's why meditation is so important. But if you if you want to get like a blast, like get out of your mind like immediately and for like a couple of minutes, you can do a DMT and you'll you'll you'll just see what reality is. And it's like not this. This is a three day video game that you can come and play if you want. And it's kind of fun sometimes. It's kind of horrible other times, but that's all part of the video game. Jeff But DMT will definitely do that to you as far as using a laser to actually see the code. That's interesting. I've never I'd actually have to see it for myself. But that's kind of how I see the world now today. Anyway, I kind of see it all as code, like even pain, for example, for the most part, if I have some pain, I don't necessarily feel it as pain. I look at it as information because once you get to it, once you get outside of your mind, far enough, you see it all for basically what it is, which is not real. So yeah, talk to us about things today online when Eric talk. Doug I figure, you know, what better person to chat with them than you my man. I'm actually trying to pull up this video. Hold on. I can't find it. I can't find somebody can find it out there. Please post it. It's actually it's actually cool. A little cool. I want to do that set up a Monero topia set up the laser. And if people dare, they could they could go down DMT lane and tell us if they see the matrix. I don't know. That might be a bit too controversial. But there there are people doing fun things. Jeff We'll get all the lifeforce energy and get all these downloads that have like a Definitely life-changing experience. I'm an erotopia and that's the stuff we do by the way at America Poco which is coming up in a few months in February in Acapulco is we have the empty we have Alaska we have the Tesla machines So if you it I'm gonna make sure we have a Tesla machine at your event I if you're open to it if you're okay with it and yeah Yeah, so we're people actually have an opportunity to see some of this stuff right there And if they're if they find themselves like more interested in this stuff than just come back in February to an arc a book of Monero Doug user tip 50 cents I just started listening to the livestream here is some Monero for you Doug oh thank you so much man thank you so much very much appreciate it I'll take it man I'll thank it I just want I just want people using it I get those you I want to get I don't mind man I appreciate it all I appreciate it Jeff his last 50 cents, if so, I'm a dick. He's like, it's my last 50 cents. I just had to give it to Doug. Doug What was that like super awesome? See everything's relative. Oh, I will say I've been erotopia I bring you know, we'll have the Monero mark. You saw the Monero marketplace. We'll have that again this year I think even better than last year Everybody will be fully on board at this time accepting Monero and and there are certainly things you can buy there's There's this one guy that shows up Really really knows what he's doing in terms of growing Mushroom and all sorts of mushroom products that he sell that he grows himself and that he sells And that will be for sale with with Monero at the conference. So Jeff for sale for Monero as well. Pretty cool. Doug How much is it go for or is this you don't want to you don't want to reveal at this time? No, I can't I'm even arrows I can tell you it's ten Jeff $10,000. Doug OK, all right. That's pretty amazing that people can buy with Monero, though. You have people you have people wanting to look under the hood. What is like, you know, what what's obviously you told us like that the basic physics behind it. But what kind of tech is inside of it? Do you can you can you give us any details there? You know, I'm not really in that. Jeff expert on it. But like I know Nikola Tesla did it using like big to-do boobs and stuff. But somehow this Mexican scientist found out how to do it basically using electronics. So it's sort of like a, but yeah, the answer is I don't really know. All I know is it definitely works. And you can actually see it. Like it's quite a crazy machine. Like it's like those Tesla things. You can see the plasma coming out of it and stuff. And when you use it, especially if you have like any pain at all, it basically takes it away within like a minute. It's incredible. So all these people have been taking all these pain meds. Those are all super bad for you. They'll destroy your gut. They'll destroy your kidneys. It's just like anything Big Pharma gives you. It will help one thing, but then wreck something else. But this thing heals you completely and it can heal basically anything. I've healed my dogs. My dog had his one eye was all white. I put it on twice and now he can see again. Jeff Like it heals everything. It's it's it's the biggest sort of rediscovery invention in our lifetimes. And it's one of the first big places people are going to get access to it is at Moneratopia and you can buy with her. How cool is that? Doug You got me curious you got me curious We'll have the nodos there too. By the way I don't know if we built plug-and-play Monero nodes that we'll be selling and not not not quite as Technologically advanced as the as the Tesla, but hopefully people be excited about that as well. Oh Have you heard about XMR bazaar that project we're doing? I'd love to get your take on that where we're we've been pushing a Monero based peer-to-peer We'd love to get your your take on the on the general concept and just thoughts in general Jeff I heard about it. I haven't looked at it because I'm so busy. I think it's so needed. I actually had an idea the other day, but I get ideas all the time through the Tesla machine. So it'd be like all these downloads, like, oh, I do this and this is how. And one of them was to go around to real estate brokers all over the world and try to find their best real estate and just do a contract with them, just do a deal, say, I'll bring those properties on your website, but list them that you have. You can buy them with Monero and then you become the middleman between the buyer and the seller. So you kind of become a money transmitter, I guess, which would be really are the U.S. But you can do this in like Mexico or any place like that's kind of semi free outside of the land of the free. Jeff You could probably do it in the U.S., but it'd be it'd probably cost you hundreds of millions of dollars because that's how they keep out all the competition and stuff. But in general, yeah, I think there should be a Monero marketplace for every single product on Earth. And someone like yourselves, if you're doing the marketplace, would just be the middleman. So you'd say, oh, you want a flat screen TV? OK, buy with Monero and you just have the contract set up that you basically pay the person with the screen and they send it to the person. Doug Oh, yeah, that's great too. Yeah, this is more of a more like peer-to-peer. So we're just kind of like a Craigslist for Monero, right? Okay, that's built up. Nope. Yeah, no fees taken by the platform. We built the Monero multisig. So anybody could go on here from anywhere in the world and sell their goods and services for Monero. We have over a thousand listings already at this point, which is super cool. Let's see. Let me see. For example, you can spend Monero. Let's see. Let's go back to the homepage, like automobiles. Okay, here we go. People are posting cars and motorcycles. Do you think any fees at all? Not right now, no. What we're looking to do is add revenue stream, perhaps promoted posts, things like that. I'm just being careful with not wanting to take fees because I don't want to be labeled a money frame. You should take that. Jeff cut up it oh yeah I don't say I'm yeah yeah yeah yeah Doug I couldn't really track it I'm just I'm just putting I'm just putting buyers and sellers together on a craigslist platform and They're entering into okay And they're and they're using Monero to pay for things and on their own they're filing their own taxes at their own Where all that stuff we just have you know We just tell them that whatever they sell on there has to be legal in their jurisdiction of the jurisdictions They're dealing with and and then my hope is if you know if we get enough people start using this we could make Revenue through sponsored posts right if people want to promote their at promote their posts and listings and things like that But it's exciting to see why I haven't checked in on this in a while But yeah, oh my god It was like a lot of cars on here a lot of different cars people somebody selling a 2007 Subaru outback For 26 Monero somebody selling a KTM Duke for 30 Monero Got a Rolls-Royce on there. Nice. Doug Yeah, we got a Rolls-Royce on here And this is actually legit. This is a legit posting I wrote Jeff. Maybe you want to jump in on this one. I think it's actually a good deal 1,200 XMR Although I imagine you're not the type of guy to buy a Rolls. I don't know. I just right. I don't know Jeff Maybe. I'm really not. I'm not big on having cars to show people something. I've got SUVs so that we can get out quickly with the family, the animals, and the apocalypse. That's about it. Doug So give us give us some more thoughts before before we close this out here Just kind of maybe maybe general advice for the Monero community. I think you you obviously you're a big-picture guy You were one of the earlier people to see Bitcoin getting co-opted We spoke about a little bit earlier whether or not Monero is susceptible to it but give us some general advice on what the Monero community should be doing to Maintain the culture it has maintain You know itself as being the number one coin of choice for private digital cash payments Give us give us give us all some advice on where you think we should be go what we should be focusing on Jeff Well, I would I would say that if anyone's kind of down for any reason, because the price hasn't skyrocketed yet or if they're down because it's been delisted off a lot of exchanges, they absolutely shouldn't be. The future for Monero is still incredibly bright. Just keep doing what you're doing. The fact that it's being delisted off of so many exchanges is actually the best proof of how important Monero is, because the people who control all those things, like the World Economic Forum just took over Binance, for example, and then they take Monero off. Of course they do, because if people begin using Monero and it grows to the size of like Bitcoin or bigger, which it could, by the way, if people start to realize what's going on and that they need it, Monero's future is incredibly bright. Jeff The one thing I would say is everyone involved in Monero would just need to stay strong and don't allow anyone to come in and change it much. Monero should just be the most private cryptocurrency in the world, or if not one of them, because I think Pirate Chain says it's a bit more private now. There's always these competitions and stuff, and that's great. But as long as it remains the most private coin and that it continues to be usable, and Monero does how many transactions per second? It's like way more than Bitcoin, right? Yeah. Doug And it has dynamic blocks, so theoretically that number can keep going up as more people use it in terms of its transactions per second. Jeff So as long as it has its remains really good encryption, really good privacy, it continues to have a large amounts of ability for people to transact so that as it becomes more popular, it doesn't get bogged down like Bitcoin did. And the money supply doesn't change in a significant way. I know it has those tail things or whatever, but that does not do me at all. As long as basically Monero stays the way it is, its future is incredibly bright. I know it can seem a little dark at times because the problem is most of the people in this world are actually not people. They're NPCs. This is a video game. They're NPCs. So if you kind of get upset, it's like, why don't a billion people start using Monero? There aren't a billion people here. There's actually not that many. But Doug I don't know how you slipped that one in there, that's pretty wild to think about. Go ahead, go ahead. Jeff Well, if you really want to know, there actually is no people here at all. This doesn't even exist. There's actually only one thing that has ever existed and it will always exist. And that's consciousness. And that's what you can call God. And that's what you are. And you actually are that most people have forgotten. So but inside the matrix, it's still fun to try to because it is a video game, right? So you came into this video game like you obviously wanted to play the game and have the most fun and the most interesting experience. You're in the game with the most evil characters and they actually dress up like evil characters. I don't even hide. It's like Satan Claus, Claus Schwab in his black evil uniform with his German accent. And not that Germans are evil, but that's the prototypical bad guy. But they actually say the Germans are bad when they're actually some of the best ones. And that's a whole long story as well. But you came into this video game and it's got all the bad guys got Bill Gates. Jeff He's trying to block out the sun. You're trying to create this currency to free the people and all that kind of stuff. So just realize that and make sure your character is the best character can possibly be. So you can get to the next level so you can get the final boss. The final boss is still down the road and you're going to have to get your characters as perfect as it can mentally, physically, spiritually. Make sure it's got the best money. Manero, you already got that part. So you can stay underground so you can get around all the bad guys and build your your own life inside of the video game, just like in the Sims. And you can do a lot of that by using Manero, coming to Manero topia, using the Tesla machine, powering up, maybe do some DMT and Acapulco and you can get to the next level. And it's going to be a ton of fun. I hope a lot of people may. Doug Shit, Jeff. I was going to ask more questions, but I think we'll leave it at that. We'll leave it at that. You really summed it all up there, man. Very excited to be hanging out with you in person. Are you familiar with Full Chain Membership proofs? Because you were talking about some of Monero's tech, and I'm just curious. Do you know that Monero is getting this major update? Jeff All I know is what Rafael Laverde and the team of the Cryptovigilante have been telling me that there's a ton of awesome stuff going on. I used to be techy in the 80s. I was a hacker in the 80s. As time went on, I got less and less and less. And now I just got a team of people who tell me what the best tech is and what I should be involved in and stuff like that. So I don't know all the details, but I hear there's a ton of incredible stuff like that Tari stuff going on with Monero. I don't know a ton about a lot of it, but Rafael and Mr. X and all the guys at Cryptovigilante are all super excited about what's going on. Doug Yeah, yeah, yeah Tari's another project related to Monero be merged mine with Monero But in terms of Monero tech yet the big breakthrough is full chain membership proofs Which is basically going to give it the the the privacy of a zcash, right? That's always been the argument against Monero or or you could even say a pirate chain, right? So Monero uses stealth addresses uses confidential transactions and then it uses ring signatures and the one Arguably weakness Monero has is is it need to ring signatures with obfuscates the sender and so Monero really really can't be tracked or traced in any meaningful way But using those that give that have a lot of resources Can make pinpointed attacks and potentially probably will list ically Making guests at who a sender may be they can't reveal amounts. Doug They can't reveal receiver But exploiting this one weakness of Monero could probabilistically Perhaps guess of who a sender could be and that's that's obviously something we want to eliminate then that's that's what full chain membership proofs does and Luke Parker will be at the conference giving a presentation on that and I think he'll be talking about Sarai as well the decks that he's working on which will Allow us to go in and out of Monero seamlessly with other cryptos But yeah full chain membership proofs. Definitely definitely keep an eye on it And I'm sure once you're at the con conference, you'll be learning more about it. Let me just cover some of these XMR chats I got to cover them all anybody sends us one Donald fissure tip the dollar. All right, Jeff. You're having an effect on the amount that people are sending I appreciate that it's looking forward to getting the virtual Monero topia ticket rate show guys The circular Monero economy is the future. Doug Thank you very much And then we got another ones here Monero user tip 50 cents Hey Jeff, all my giving and donation is going to the Copa Monero Kudo But XMR chat is awesome and all live streams should use it. Oh, yeah. Thank you very much. Yeah, let me uh, let me show Jeff are you familiar with Copa Monero? Has that come across your your desk? I think I saw the word But I don't know anything about it. I'm at it. Doug You don't mind I am actually gonna bring it up because this thing just this thing needs love I think I honestly think this is the biggest story in crypto There's a town in Argentina, which we now call Monero town EBIT at day in the Formosa province of Argentina where they are organically using Monero I've been there I visited the town I think I was one of the first gringo sit to enter this town and they have in fact adopted Monero It started a bung among a bunch of young young guys in a soccer club that were actually using it to gamble online They were using Monero and then they were using among each other to trade pesos for Monero So they could go do their gambling and then they were like, Doug all right What do we do with our winnings? let's start to get our local stores to accept Monero and they did it did just that and out of all that has grown this tournament called Copa Monero, which is a in Monero Stadium in Iberate and It's 12 local teams that have been competing to play to win a large Monero prize and the Copa Monero and Effectively, it's it's been very successful. Then it's been happening over the course of months. All these games have been live streamed They all are sponsored by different like Monero related companies But we're asking for people to chip in because this this has been it's come with a lot of Costs as I'm sure you can imagine And for people to ship in so we can really boost the prize that the team wins Thousands of people have been exposed to Monero because of this conference We're expecting over a thousand people to be at the stadium watching the game live on Sunday during the Monero topia conference. Doug So guys if you want to help out And if you want to help out in any way with anything we're doing, please consider donating to the Monero topia I mean to the Copa Monero Kuno Yeah, that's my shill any any questions. It is pretty crazy. It's it's pretty wild and actually it's it's been very successful I you know, it's just another one of my my crazy little projects here, but It's it's quite meaningful These are these are real people That are using Monero that are growing Monero in their town in their in their in their in their villages They're coming from all over to play to compete in these games and to watch in these watch these games and they're learning about untraceable digital cash Jeff Yeah, that's awesome. I actually didn't know that's what you're referring to because I met the kid who kind of started it all at an archipelago. All of a sudden. Yeah. And I think he spoke at an archipelago and then Raffa Lavergne got really excited about him. And I think Raffaile's going down to it or something. So that's super cool. That kid is an awesome kid. And that's another kind of person who comes to things like an archipelago for all the Monero people. There's all kinds of amazing people come to an archipelago. So if it's too late for you to come to Mexico City next week, come to an archipelago in February. And we have all those kind of people as well. Doug Yeah, he was super excited about that, that you guys gave him the stage, and he is amazing. He's put in so much effort. I've been a little hard on him at times because I was trying to make things as perfect as they can be, but given the resources that he has down there, it's amazing what he's done. I mean, all of these games have been aired live stream. If you check him out now, in the beginning, they were a little sketch, they were a little shitty, I'm not going to lie, but now they're beautiful. It's like, all right, you're not watching FIFA, but it's actually pretty freaking amazing. And these young guys are passionately playing just for a shot at winning as a team, 40 Monero. So guys, if you want to help make it happen, please ship into the Q&O and your donations will go towards helping make the tournament happen and the prize itself. Doug So I don't mind shilling that one last time. And I do hope to potentially make it to an Orco Poco. I've been there a few times. I think it's great. It's definitely helped inspire some of the things we do at Monero Topia, fantastic vibes you have going down there. And I think the most impressive thing that you have down there is just the fact that you bring all these open-minded people together and you do it in a great way where thousands of people, thousands of open-minded individuals that are open to hearing all sorts of conspiracy theories and you give everybody a stage, you give everybody a moment, and you let the best ideas win. And that's what we try to do at Monero Topia too in our own little way, but been inspired by you, man. You've done great things in that regard. Thank you. All right. Anything you want to shill other than that that you want to get out or any information get out there while you have the stage? Jeff Well, it's kind of weird being on a crypto show because, you know, I started the vigilante 15 years ago and I've been talking about Bitcoin since 2011. And I used to speak at every crypto event, every Bitcoin event. And now a lot of it's just turned to garbage. And for the last five years, I've mostly just been walking with my dogs talking about the apocalypse. So it's kind of nice to be on, even though we still talk a lot about that stuff. We did talk about some crypto stuff, which I still think is awesome and super important inside the matrix. There's going to be no hope in the matrix if we don't have a private currency to get outside of these tyrannies that they're building up right now, including on this very day, they're getting ready to launch the next puppet who's going to lead the next stage of tyranny. Jeff So it's been nice to get on and talk a little bit about crypto. Of course, I love that's part of the reason I work with Rafael Laverde is so that he can be just talk about crypto all the time, because I think it is important. But I am looking forward to seeing you in Mexico City next week. I will make sure unless something really strange happens. We'll almost for sure have a Tesla machine there and I'll try to have it there the whole conference. Everyone can try it. You can buy it in Monero. You can level up. And like I said, if you can't make it next week, definitely come down to Narco Pogo coming up in February. But I appreciate being on with you, Doug. Doug Awesome, man. I'll see you soon. Any last-minute U.S. presidential predictions or comments? Jeff Man, I haven't even looked, so this is what I've been meditating so far today and now I'm on Monero Talk. Right? So I didn't even look. Like I don't care. Like I'm probably going to go have lunch with my family now. So it sounds stupid if I say something, if it's already kind of like already decided for the early voting counts or whatever. But my sense is they're going to put Trump in for a number of reasons. But the thing that people, and a lot of crypto people might go, oh, that's awesome because he says he's going to do all this with regulations. He might do a few things, but it's not going to actually make a difference unless everyone's using Monero. It's not going to make any difference. Basically, Monero is completely regulated out of the market in every single way because of how dangerous it is to the system. Jeff So whatever happens today with the whatever puppet they choose to be on the television scrying mirror programming, which is mind control for the next few years, it actually doesn't really make much difference. But if you may, if you put a gun to my head, I have a sense they're going to do Trump. But I also think it's not going to end today. It's going to take probably weeks or months. And by the time they even have a decision, it already be World War Three and already be the U.S. will be collapsing because it's actually insolvent. A lot of people just don't realize that you look at the debt. It's over 35 trillion now. The U.S. government spends more on interest payments on the debt, not paying off the debt. They never, ever do that, paying interest payments than almost any other expense, including the Department of Defense, the military and the pentagram. So this is a banana where public level insolvency now that will end in complete collapse or hyperinflation or both. Jeff And it's probably both. And Monero again, if you ever were looking for something that will really make people want to use Monero, just wait till the banks and the dollar and all the fiat currencies collapse. And we're very close to it now. It could be this year, it could be next year, it could be two, three years from now, but it's coming soon. So everything's actually working in the right direction, but it's just going to take some time and you're going to have to survive it and you won't be able to survive it unless you're really focused, really get into meditation, get your body all perfect, use a Tesla machine, those sort of things. But if you can make it through, we're going to go on to an incredible world where maybe there won't even be governments and everywhere will be using Monero. And I think the Vedic sin, the old religion or whatever you want to call it in their in their Bible talk about it's called Sat Yuga. Jeff It's where every everything returns to perfection again. There's no theft, no violence. And everyone will probably just be using Monero and trading freely with each other. And it could be a beautiful world, but you're going to have to get there. And so if you're not taking care of yourself physically, you got to do that. If you're not taking care of yourself spiritually, if you're not connecting, if you're not getting outside of the matrix, you're going to have to do that to survive. But if you do, I think Monero is going to be the the reserve currency of Sat Yuga. So it's going to be awesome. Doug Awesome. All right. And yeah, to get a taste of it, you can come down to Manero-Topia and see what that future is going to look like to some degree. Jeff, Matt, thank you so much. And I will see you next week. And I look forward to testing out the machine, the Tesla as well, and just chatting with you and watching you interact with the Manero brains. That's one of the things I get most excited about, just seeing all the different types of people, especially the speakers talking amongst themselves and swapping ideas and thoughts. So very much looking forward to having you down there, man. And I'll see you next week. All right. Jeff I'll bring the Tesla machine. 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