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Democrats face a leadership crisis after shutdown · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  It's six Eastern, three o'clock Pacific from coast to coast and around the world.
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  The Democratic brand right now has about the appeal with the American voter as the crackle barrel rebrand has from America Out Loud Talk Radio.
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  It's time for Truth be told with Booker Scott.
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  Chuck Schumer cannot do anything right.
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  It doesn't matter what he does.
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  Shut the government down, not shut the government down.
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  Somebody in the Democrat Party wants Chuck Schumer gone, and I think his days are numbered.
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  I'm Booker Scott, and this is The Truth Be Told on America Out Loud Talk Radio.
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  Thank you for joining us here tonight.
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  So good to have you on a Tuesday night.
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  The government is opening back up.
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  It's going to happen probably by the end of this week, I would think the first of next week it will happen.
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  If you happen to be flying this week, you want to stay on top of that.
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  Don't assume that just because they have voted to open the government that the government is open and people are going back to work.
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  In the end, the uh people that uh did not get paid, they will get their back pay.
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  That is coming.
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  I know Donald Trump had to threaten that at one time that he was not going to pay people back pay if they didn't come back to work.
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  Now he's throwing out for the air traffic controllers that he may pay a $10,000 bonus for everybody that continued to work.
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  There are other problems with everything to do with with our flying in America.
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  We're using very old equipment there, but thank goodness anyway.
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  I'm already as soon as this hour started, I'm off track just a little bit.
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  Let's get back on track about Chuck Schumer, because if you remember back in March, we had this same thing.
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  We had a government shutdown.
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  And Schumer voted with the Republicans right off the bat.
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  They did not shut down the government.
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  They passed the continuing resolution.
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  And the Democrats came after him.
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  They said he should have shut down the government.
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  And because he didn't, he almost lost his job, which is part of the reason why I thought this time they would shut down the government because Schumer knew better, because he knew he was going to lose his power if he did not shut down the government.
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  At the end of the 40 plus days, I guess we're going to end up with a government shutdown of about 45 days.
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  The Democrats got nothing, absolutely nothing from this shutdown.
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  What a complete waste of time and energy.
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  And yeah, maybe there is some conversation about health care and health insurance.
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  That's a good thing.
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  There needs to be some uh some some taking a look at that, because that there is a problem there.
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  But we talked about that a little bit last night with Matt Palumbo.
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  Let's stay here on Schumer because this is a storm for him.
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  I see this probably as the end of his power there as the minority leader for the Democrats in the Senate.
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  I don't know where they go from here.
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  I'm not sure who they have in mind as a leader for the Democrats.
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  Who would that be?
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  I nominated John Fetterman.
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  He's the only one making any sense.
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  If John Fetterman could become the the guy for the Democrats, you know, he's a lot more centrist.
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  He's one of the eight people that voted to open the government back up for the Democrats.
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  Maybe things could get back to normal.
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  Maybe that would be the play for the Democrats going into 2026 and 28.
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  Again, they're trying to make it look like they're more moderate, even though they're not.
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  But in the case of John Fetterman, he would never ever be considered for leadership on the Democrat side.
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  It's going to be interesting to watch what happens to Chuck Schumer as this government reopens over the next few days because I think his time, I think his time is numbered, finally.
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  But when you look back at both of these shutdowns from March and then what has happened here in the last 45 days, there was nothing he could do that would be right.
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  Don't shut it down, shut it down, don't shut it down.
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  Whatever he did, the people that want him gone, which obviously are many right now, they wouldn't have been happy anyway.
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  And that's the situation with Chuck Schumer and the Democrats.
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  Let's listen to some Democrats here on the Senate floor.
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  Here is Dick Durbin.
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  He is one of the eight Democrats that voted to open the government in the end.
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  And he sounds sad.
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  I share their opinions of this administration.
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  They cannot accept a strategy which wages political battle at the expense of my neighbor's paycheck or the food for his children.
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  Mr.
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  President, I yield the floor.
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  He's not excited about it, but man, yeah, he sounds more like Eeyore, doesn't he?
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  Nothing's going right for Dick Durbin.
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  Not one of my favorite guys in the Senate is Dick Durbin.
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  What about Senator Tim Kane from Virginia?
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  He had some things to say too.
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  He was one of those eight that crossed the line and voted with the Republicans who did the responsible thing to open up this government.
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  And again, the Democrats knew they were not getting anything for this at this point.
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  They had shut the government down for 40 plus days, and what did they get in the end?
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  Nothing.
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  They got nothing.
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  And they knew they were never going to get anything because the Republicans were showing that they just weren't going to give in.
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  They finally did what the Republicans should have done when they should have shut the government down before.
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  They shut it down and they didn't move.
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  They did not take any bluffs.
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  They stayed firm in their commitment and their convictions for shutting down the government, and they let the Democrats talk.
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  They let them uh complain, and it didn't matter.
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  The Democrats got nothing.
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  But we will have a health care health insurance conversation.
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  Here is Senator Tim Kane from Virginia, one of those that voted for opening up the government.
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  Do you wish that you would have started looking for this offer and sooner?
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  You said that Republicans were never going to change in their position.
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  I I I didn't I didn't fully understand how dug in they were.
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  Again, because I I was so focused on the Virginia elections.
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  I wasn't in this discussion on the health care to see how dug in they were.
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  Um but I even as I was not part of these discussions, I was saying to Thune and others on the floor going back, listen, I need you some of you heard me say this in the hall.
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  I need a moratorium on mischief.
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  Others are working on the health care thing, I trust them.
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  Others are working on the approbes thing, I trust them.
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  I need a more term on mischief.
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  Because if we vote to open, and then the immediate step next week is Donald Trump fires a lot more people, it's gonna blow up trust to get the full year deal.
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  And so I've been I've been preaching this moratorium on mischief for a month.
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  But I I think partly what why did they finally give me the moratorium on mischief on riffs?
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  They needed my vote, but they also saw the election on Tuesday.
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  I've never heard that before.
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  So Tim Kane says if Donald Trump quits firing people, I'll come over there.
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  I'll vote for you.
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  I didn't know all these other things were going on.
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  I wasn't aware of that.
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  So Tim Kane says uh moratorium mischief is what got me to come over.
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  John Thune, the leader of the Republicans, he says, okay, well, we will get Donald Trump not to fire anybody.
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  Come on over and vote for us.
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  Who knows what Tim Kane is saying, whether it's true or not.
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  He's he's full of it most of the time anyway.
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  What about Hakeem Jeffries?
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  Does he make any sense here?
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  Let's listen to his post-Senate vote conversation in a press conference.
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  Does this make any sense to you?
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  That's why Democrats have been waging this fight.
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  And we'll continue to wage this fight.
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  No matter what comes over to us from the United States Senate to the House of Representatives at some point this week.
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  Our position as House Democrats has been crystal clear.
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  They are going to fight.
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  That is their message.
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  We are going to continue to wage the fight.
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  Hakeem Jeffries says.
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  You happen to see on Monday night, Laura Ingram had Donald Trump in for an interview.
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  Or actually, I guess she went to him and did the interview.
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  That would make more sense than what I just said there.
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  But she had an interview with him, and this was uh this interview took place after the government shutdown vote took place.
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  And she asked him some really good questions.
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  I'm gonna get into that in a minute.
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  But before I do, let's go back to the Oval Office and some questions from a reporter about the air traffic control, because that was a big thing in this shutdown because people couldn't fly.
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  There were thousands and thousands of flights delayed and canceled, both of those.
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  So I think it was about 10% that Sean Duffy and the administration said they were pulling back 10% of flights.
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  They were pulling back because air traffic controllers were not showing up for work.
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  And I guess, you know, would you show up for work if you weren't getting paid?
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  I'm not sure.
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  Donald Trump was frustrated and upset at some of those people for not showing up, but I I don't know that I blame them necessarily.
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  Would you?
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  I I don't know that I would go to work if I weren't getting paid.
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  Listen to this question from the reporter about the air traffic control system in this country and listen to Donald Trump's response.
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  Yeah, sure.
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  It'll be much better than normal because we're buying the most sophisticated avionics and you know technology for our control towers.
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  And we didn't have that.
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  We had a guy named Bootatech, boot edge edge is the best way to do it.
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  Just say two edges, like off the edge of a cliff.
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  Yeah, that's the way I see it.
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  Which is what where they were taking us, by the way.
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  Uh Boot Edge Edge was the uh Secretary of Transportation, and he spent billions of dollars trying to patch together our air control, our air traffic control system, which was a conglomeration of all different systems in all different cities he spent.
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  They had hundreds of countries where companies working on it, and they were spending millions of dollars.
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  And when they turned it on, it didn't work.
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  It didn't even work a little bit.
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  That's why you had a helicopter crashing into an airplane.
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  Now who knows if that is true or not.
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  I doubt that that is necessarily the truth.
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  If you remember the Army helicopter that got into the path of that flight in Washington, D.C.
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  and it had a terrible result.
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  May have been pilot error, may have not been anything to do with what Donald Trump just said there.
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  That could be a lie, which is a problem.
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  You know, when you say when you say things that aren't true, then that becomes a problem.
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  And Donald Trump does a lot of that, let's be honest.
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  But it's good to hear that Donald Trump is uh making the investment in air traffic control.
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  I just think that I would be careful in how I say that because people are still traveling every day, and the only thing that our government has for air traffic control in some cases is going all the way back to World War II technology.
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  Here we are in 2025.
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  We are using 80-year technology in some cases for air traffic control.
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  Donald Trump is updating that.
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  It is a good thing.
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  But here's the rest of that comment.
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  We are now in the process where the final bits of getting the finest system anywhere in the world.
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  I've analyzed it.
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  Sean Duffy has been working really hard on it, doing a fantastic job, by the way.
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  And over the next uh two or three weeks, we'll be handing out the finest air traffic control system anywhere in the world.
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  All the towers will be equipped.
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  So does that give you confidence?
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  I hope that it does.
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  I just wanted to bring that to you.
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  But now let's get back to Laura Ingram's interview on Monday night, because this story was a big story.
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  I remember bringing this to you back in May when Donald Trump said that they were going to allow six hundred thousand Chinese students into America to go to universities and colleges.
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  I wasn't happy with it.
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  Most of people uh on the conservative side, they weren't happy with that either.
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  And it turns out though White House said, well, he misspoke, it's actually 300,000.
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  At the time, Secretary of State Marco Rubio, they he had singled out China as the second highest source of international students in the U.S.
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  And he said in May that the State Department would revoke visas for students tied to the C C P, the Chinese Communist Party.
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  As soon as he said that, then also Donald Trump was saying we're going to allow 600,000, and there was an uproar among the MAGA community.
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  There was uh conservatives weren't happy.
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  Why are we leaving why are we allowing six hundred thousand Chinese students into this country when they are our number one adversary?
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  Let's give these positions to American students, not just six hundred thousand Chinese.
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  Well, here is the question and answer session here with Laura Ingram when it had to do with that six hundred thousand students coming into America.
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  You've said as many as six hundred thousand Chinese students could come to the United States.
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  Why, sir, is that a pro-maga position when so many American kids want to go to school and there are places not for them, and these universities are getting rich off Chinese money.
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  Sure.
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  Uh never said about China, but I Yeah, you did, Donald Trump.
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  You said six hundred thousand, the White House cleaned it up and said three hundred thousand.
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  So let's start there.
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  Because when you tell lies like that, that's exactly what the left uses to debunk everything else you say, whether it's the truth or the lie.
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  You have a lot of people coming in from China.
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  We always have uh China and other countries.
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  We also have a massive system of colleges and universities.
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  And if we were to cut that in half, which perhaps makes some people happy, you would have half the colleges in the United States go out of business.
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  Well, I think it's a big deal.
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  Are they fancy?
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  You would have the United States.
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  Yeah, but you would have, as you know, historically, black colleges and universities would all be out of business and that too is not true.
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  This is a weird answer from this interview.
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  Historically, black colleges are going to be out of business too because six hundred thousand Chinese students have come into America.
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  Are there that many Chinese students going to historically black colleges?
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  This answer made no sense to me.
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  It was as if he didn't know what he was talking about.
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  And she says, Laura Ingram says, isn't that a a good thing if if the c if these universities go out of business because these Chinese students does Donald Trump not realize that the that China is America's number one adversary?
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  They steal, they cheat, they lie, and I know he's trying to cozy up the G because of a trade deal, but this answer just made no sense in this interview.
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  You would have a system of colleges uh and universities which are.
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  I think it's good to have I actually think it's good to have outside uh countries.
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  Look, I want to be able to get along with the world.
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  They're not the French, they're the Chinese.
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  They spy on us, they steal our intellectual better.
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  Yeah.
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  Really?
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  I don't know.
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  I'll tell you, I'm not so sure.
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  We've had a lot of problems with the French, where we get taxed very unfairly on our technology, where you know they put 25% taxes on American products.
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  Look, assuming everyone treats us badly, because that's the way I am.
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  But we take in trillions of dollars from students.
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  You know, the students pay more than double uh, not everything is a business, unfortunately.
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  Some things have to do with national security, and the Chinese Communist Party happens to be America's number one adversary.
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  I wasn't comfortable with that answer there from Donald Trump.
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  Not everything is business.
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  Some things are about keeping Americans safe.
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  And i I don't know.
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  If you happen to watch that interview, I would love to know what you think about that.
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  And don't forget there's also a show page for this show.
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  When you go to X, all you have to do is uh find Booker Scott Show.
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  Go to at Bookerscott Show.
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  And I'd love to hear what you say about any of the things that I talk about, including that and what Donald Trump said about Chinese students, 600,000.
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  I am Booker Scott, and we are now going to be joined by one of the writers and directors, Beneath Sheep's Clothing.
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  Her name is Julie Bealing.
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  Julie, welcome to the program.
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  Thanks so much for having me.
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  You are welcome.
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  And what's where does the motivation come from, first of all, to do this?
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  Is it are you like the rest of us where you just fear of what is happening here in America over the last how long?
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  I know in the your documentary, you say maybe back to a hundred years, the last century.
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  Yeah, well, I mean, for me, it goes further back.
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  I actually wrote the book Beneath Sheep's Clothing that the documentary is based on.
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  And then my book is based on largely my master's thesis from graduate school.
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  And I went to graduate school to study Russian language and literature, Russian and East European studies after I lived in Russia as a missionary for a year and a half.
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  And so it goes back, goes back to the late 90s when I was living in Russia.
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  Yeah, most of your life then has been about this subject.
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  And I think so many of us here in America are starting to wake up and use discernment finally.
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  I I was given a book last week, and the name of that book, actually, I'll grab it and tell you is None Dare Call It Conspiracy.
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  And it was written in 1971.
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  And I started reading that book.
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  I actually read the first page of it on the program last week.
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  And it seems like the same issues that we're dealing with today, they were dealing with back then.
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  And one thing I think about quite a bit is how so much of my life, I'm 58 years old, so much of America's foreign policy was to stop communism.
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  And here we are in 2024, and it doesn't look like anyone is giving an effort to stop the communism that's right here in our country.
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  Yeah, it's really disturbing.
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  But you know, it's gotten so blatant.
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  I mean, when I wrote most of my book initially, Beneath Sheep's Clothing, I wrote it between 2009 and 2011, and it was very, very fringe back then to, you know, consider the possibility that America was at risk of falling to communism.
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  But because things have gotten so blatant with the woke Marxist revolution that's ongoing and with 2020 and everything.
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  So people are waking up, and we do have a chance to wake up a lot more people.
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  We've got to do it quickly, though, to prevent, you know, the full scale communism from coming here.
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  But that's that's my goal is to prevent, prevent that from happening.
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  Well, if you go back 15 years ago when you wrote the book, what was your reception like from other people with this book at that point, 15 years ago?
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  Because not near as many people were awake then as they are now.
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  Yeah, I didn't publish it till 2022.
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  I wrote most of it back then, but it it wasn't complete, and I just set it aside, and it was just on a hard drive.
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  No one saw it except for like two people.
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  Yeah.
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  Well, in this movie, you have some familiar names that are in it.
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  You have James Lindsay, the both of those names I think most people would know, and Pastor Rob McCoy.
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  What do you see is going on in America right now?
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  As someone who has studied this for a long time, take us back to your studies in what communism is.
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  First of all, I guess in the Soviet Union, and then bring it here to America.
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  Yeah.
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  So I mean, I was I was living in Russia just a few years after the collapse of the Soviet Union, and I was asking people every day as a missionary, asking people if they believed in God.
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  And it was shocking to me that in a year and a half of talking, I don't know, maybe a thousand people I talked to about God, about if they believed in God, and only one person said they were an atheist.
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  One.
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  And this was after 70 years of forcible atheism with with communism in the Soviet Union.
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  And then I met some people who their families had, they had very clearly been believers all throughout that period, and they had just the deepest faith I'd ever seen.
• 26:29
  And so when I was in graduate school, um with Russian and East European studies, I decided to write my master's thesis.
• 26:36
  I was really curious about underground Christian movements in the Soviet Union.
• 26:39
  And I researched their survival tactics and the tactics of the Soviet state to try to dismantle Christianity.
• 26:45
  And there were three main tactics that emerged, particularly I looked at from post-World War II up until Perestroika.
• 26:54
  And then in 2008, so I I actually defended my thesis and finished it in 2004.
• 27:00
  In 2008, I started seeing the same tactics, the same anti-religious tactics that the Soviets employed happening in America.
• 27:08
  And then I looked closer and they were all here, those three major tactics, some for over a hundred years at that point.
• 27:14
  Can you share with everybody what those tactics are and what you saw in 2008-2009?
• 27:21
  Sure.
• 27:22
  So what raised an alarm bell for me in 2008, there was an unpopular fringe Christian group that received a militarized raid with tanks and snipers, even though they were they were not a threat to anyone.
• 27:36
  They were not going to be, you know, engaging in violence.
• 27:39
  And then they had all their kids forcibly removed without due process.
• 27:43
  And this forcible removal of children without due process and putting the kids in state care.
• 27:48
  This was one of the tactics the Soviets used against their fringe groups.
• 27:52
  And it it raised that that red flag for me.
• 27:56
  And then I looked closer.
• 27:57
  So one of the tactics that the Soviets used was heavy persecution of just the fringe groups.
• 28:02
  In the early days of the Soviet Union, they they persecuted all Christians equally, but they actually discovered that backfired.
• 28:10
  It read a lot of underground activity.
• 28:12
  And so after World War II, they regrouped and they stopped persecuting all Christians, and they kept their heavy persecution tactics just for the cults they called them.
• 28:23
  And this was the underground Baptists, Seventh-day Adventists, Pentecostals, and Jehovah's Witnesses that were in the Soviet Union.
• 28:30
  They were the scum of the earth.
• 28:31
  They had a lower social status than rapists or murderers.
• 28:34
  And so the government could come and take their kids and no one cared.
• 28:38
  They could be sent to the gulag for ridiculous made-up infractions and no one cared.
• 28:43
  They could have their homes raided in the night and no one cared.
• 28:47
  But because the mainstream Christians, even though you weren't supposed to be Christian in the Soviet Union, there still were, the mainstream Christians belonged to registered churches that were infiltrated with KGB agents posing as clergy.
• 29:00
  This was one of the tactics that they started after World War II.
• 29:03
  They infiltrated the churches with KGB agents.
• 29:06
  They would rise up in the ranks and they would they would control the churches from within.
• 29:12
  And that was a very effective tactic.
• 29:14
  The other tactic is one that they did all throughout the whole Soviet period, which we have here in America too.
• 29:19
  Yay.
• 29:20
  It's anti-religious propaganda and pro-socialist propaganda through the education, the media, the arts, and broadly throughout all aspects of society.
• 29:32
  So there are a couple of tactics and you know, when you look at communism when you look at Karl Marx in particular, and you probably know this a whole lot better than I do.
• 29:41
  He wants to wipe out or he wanted to wipe out Christianity.
• 29:45
  And that is the goal of communism, socialism.
• 29:49
  And we're starting to see that here in America.
• 29:52
  And we see one side of this as I see this election.
• 29:56
  To me, it's very clear you're voting for communism and socialism.
• 30:00
  Socialism or you're voting for freedom and liberty.
• 30:02
  And one of those freedoms is uh, you know, being able to worship the God that you want to worship the way that you want to worship them.
• 30:09
  Talk a little bit about Karl Marx and wanting to do away with Christianity.
• 30:15
  Yeah.
• 30:16
  Yeah, that is the goal.
• 30:17
  And so, well, Karl Marx, the way that I define Marxism for people is it's the playbook to prepare a society to fall to communism.
• 30:24
  And Marxism employs this oppressed versus oppressor construct where you locate a group of people who are oppressed or who can be considered oppressed or made to feel oppressed.
• 30:35
  You harp on grievance, you stoke them up to anger to tear down their oppressor class.
• 30:41
  And you know, in Russia, that was the proletariat versus the bourgeoisie, the proletariat being the workers and the peasants and the bourgeoisie being the upper class and maybe upper middle class.
• 30:53
  And so it was class warfare, but that class warfare did not work in America or the West because it's just the large middle class, large, prosperous middle class that we've had.
• 31:04
  And so they had to locate other groups that were oppressed.
• 31:06
  And look, oppression is actually real.
• 31:08
  There are people who have been oppressed throughout history.
• 31:11
  Absolutely.
• 31:12
  And in fact, in Russia, the peasants had been very highly oppressed for centuries.
• 31:17
  So but see, this is what this is what people have to understand.
• 31:21
  Communism marries a truth to a lie.
• 31:24
  There is truth that there are oppressed groups, and there are harms that have been done.
• 31:29
  But the lie that Marxism employs is oh, but we have the answer for that, and we're gonna help.
• 31:35
  But what ends up happening with communism being implemented is that everyone then becomes oppressed, except for the tiny elite at the top.
• 31:42
  Everyone becomes enslaved, everyone becomes subject to famine and purges, execution, imprisonment, enslavement, impoverishment.
• 31:52
  So it it's not a good solution for for they use they use, and what they're doing here in America is they're they're weaponizing the empathy of Americans because most Americans do not like the idea of people being oppressed in our country.
• 32:06
  Right.
• 32:07
  And we we don't like it at all.
• 32:08
  And so they are weaponizing our empathy to get us to fall to communism.
• 32:12
  It's a trick, it's a trick that's worked in countless other places around the world with very similar results.
• 32:18
  I already listed those results.
• 32:20
  So what we need to do is help and uplift people who are underprivileged, but not through the Marxist and communist frameworks.
• 32:27
  And when you look at what they do here in America or what has been attempted to do, and I think I you would probably agree with me, it's been pretty successful when you look at intersectionality and what they try to do with oppression.
• 32:42
  You know, look at uh LGBTQIA plus plus, and I think now the S has been added so that you can pretend to be any of those things.
• 32:53
  But a lesbian has nothing to do with a gay guy.
• 32:56
  You know, one likes a vagina, the other one likes a penis.
• 33:00
  But when you throw them all together in this box, which is something I talk about quite a bit on this program, then you can say that they are oppressed, even though they really don't have anything to do with one another individually, which America is built on individual rights and freedoms and liberties.
• 33:16
  And that's what you're speaking about, isn't it?
• 33:20
  Absolutely.
• 33:21
  So we have the critical race theory where people of color are the oppressed, um, queer theory, where it's um queer and gender theory, where it's gay people are oppressed, and heteronormativity is the oppressor class.
• 33:35
  Um, where trans people are the oppressed and cis normativity, where it's where males are males and females are females.
• 33:42
  That's now oppressive and has to be torn down.
• 33:46
  But that the problem is look, a lot of us we see this and it's it's ridiculous.
• 33:50
  But what's happening?
• 33:50
  This our schools are infected with this.
• 33:53
  The curricula, the people who create the curricula, the people who are training and have been training our teachers.
• 33:58
  This is deeply embedded.
• 34:01
  And so our children at increasingly younger ages are being raised up with these ideas, and they're doing it through the social and emotional learning curricula in the schools through ethnic studies curricula.
• 34:12
  And most of the people who are implementing communism in America do not understand that's what they're doing.
• 34:18
  They have no idea that's what they're doing.
• 34:19
  Julie, you mentioned something a couple of minutes ago that I find interesting.
• 34:23
  You use the word empathy, and we see these people that do so many things because of virtue signaling, and you just said it right there.
• 34:33
  They don't see themselves doing something bad.
• 34:36
  They think they're contributing to the good, don't they?
• 34:39
  Absolutely.
• 34:40
  And that's it, that's how it was in the Soviet period as well, during the Bolshevik Revolution.
• 34:44
  People were incited.
• 34:46
  So communism does not have any limiting principles.
• 34:49
  As long as you're doing it in the name of helping the oppressed, you're allowed to murder.
• 34:53
  You're allowed to plunder, steal, commit acts of terrorism.
• 34:57
  And so we see that same same thing infecting people today, where it's okay for them to do anything as long as they're doing it in the name of helping the oppressed, and they're radicalizing vulnerable young people.
• 35:09
  They've been brainwashed.
• 35:11
  It's very, very sad.
• 35:12
  And and we saw this a little bit with COVID.
• 35:15
  If we can look, you know, pull back a little bit and look back at COVID, where we saw people on the left that wanted to put people on the right into concentration camps.
• 35:25
  Howard Stern was one of those that said, let's move all the unvaccinated people to the state of Mississippi.
• 35:31
  And some people even wanted unvaccinated people to be killed, which is bizarre, but I think that's a pretty good uh demonstration of how it works.
• 35:41
  Would you agree with that?
• 35:42
  Absolutely.
• 35:43
  Absolutely.
• 35:44
  And in our film, um, in Beneath Sheep's Clothing, James Lindsay explains what he called hate craft.
• 35:50
  And that is when the media and like celebrities collude together to craft hatred towards particular groups of people, and we absolutely saw that towards the unvaccinated.
• 36:00
  We've seen that towards MAGA.
• 36:02
  We've for sure seen that towards Donald Trump individually as well.
• 36:06
  And it's worked remarkably well.
• 36:08
  And when you see when you see a politician like Hakeem Jeffries who can't stand in front of a microphone without saying MAGA extremists, and then you see someone take a gun and go to the rooftop in Butler, Pennsylvania, and try to kill Donald Trump.
• 36:23
  And then beyond that, you see everybody on social media that was saying he should have he should have hit him.
• 36:30
  You know, it's a shame he missed.
• 36:32
  And that's where we are in this country.
• 36:34
  And really and truly, when people like me and you see this as communism, and so many people think we're quacks, but that's how this all works, isn't it?
• 36:45
  Yeah.
• 36:46
  And look, I hope people will watch Beneath Sheep's clothing because you can't watch it and not come away.
• 36:52
  One of my biggest goals with this was to really illustrate in a very guttural way what communism is, what it does to people, the human toll of communism, not some ideological definition of what Karl Marx, how Karl Marx defined it, but what in real actuality, what it is, what it does.
• 37:10
  And you can't watch this film and not come away with just look the same way that all of us learned about the Holocaust in school, and we have a disgust.
• 37:20
  We have a disgust with the gas chambers and with what Hitler did.
• 37:25
  And but we were not taught that.
• 37:27
  Most of us, especially younger generations, not taught that in school.
• 37:30
  I didn't even know what the gulag was until I was living in Russia and had met people who had survived the gulag.
• 37:35
  Yeah.
• 37:35
  Yeah.
• 37:36
  And I was a college graduate.
• 37:37
  Yeah, and uh, you know, when you were just talking about that, I was thinking of the younger generation, and so many of them don't even believe the Holocaust existed.
• 37:46
  And that is a whole other bizarre story.
• 37:48
  Yeah, it is a bizarre story.
• 37:50
  But it's true, it's the way America is now with our youth and how we are not teaching them important things like uh history, world history, American history, and even civics and how our government is supposed to work.
• 38:02
  And maybe that's part of what we have been seeing with bringing communism into America.
• 38:08
  I want to pick that conversation up right there when we come back here in just a minute.
• 38:12
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• 40:00
  We're in the middle of a conversation with Julie Bealing, the writer of Beneath Sheep's Clothing, and also the documentary that came out in 2024.
• 40:09
  Uh, starring in that documentary is James Lindsay.
• 40:12
  You probably know him pretty well, especially if you're on social media, you can't miss him.
• 40:16
  Trevor Louden, who happens to be here and a host on AmericaOut Loud dot news.
• 40:21
  Also, Pastor Rob McCoy is on there.
• 40:24
  Julie, we were talking there going into the break about how our schools have kind of failed our children in teaching American history and civics and even world history.
• 40:35
  That's also a part of all of this, isn't it?
• 40:38
  It is.
• 40:38
  And actually, the schools are operating exactly as intended by the powers that be.
• 40:43
  The the goal is to have have poorly educated people who are trained up in a new ideology, a neo-Marxist ideology, and trained to become activists for that ideology.
• 40:55
  And it's it's working perfectly for them.
• 40:57
  So with through the social and emotional learning.
• 40:59
  And look, almost every school in the country uses social and emotional learning.
• 41:03
  And it looks very it's it's the ultimate wolf in sheep's clothing.
• 41:07
  It looks very innocuous.
• 41:09
  There's lots of nice things about it, teaching kids to have empathy, teaching them to um to different skill sets for dealing with challenges, but it's also teaching them in a new ideological framework of diversity, equity, and inclusion as their new foundational ideology and DEI, that is neo-Marxism.
• 41:30
  And it is also causing them to delete their Judeo-Christian ethics and Americanism, individual rights in favor of collectivism and DEI.
• 41:40
  Yeah, and we're getting into the globalism with all of this and the World Economic Forum.
• 41:45
  These are scary times in America, and if we were to lose our country, what does American socialism look like to you?
• 41:54
  What do you think that is?
• 41:57
  Well, I mean a lot of it depends on if people wake up.
• 42:01
  If if we do nothing, if we just sit back, then it will probably look a lot like China, communist China, where you know it's not we're not going to go back to a command economy like what the Soviets had because that failed.
• 42:13
  Yeah.
• 42:14
  Um, but like a fascist economic system and with very heavy social controls.
• 42:21
  And if people don't comply, well, you know, hello, look at what happened in COVID with COVID during China, where people were being forcibly tested daily, the people were sent off to, you know, isolation quarantine camps.
• 42:34
  They were being welded into their houses and their apartments.
• 42:38
  They were they were welding doors so they couldn't get out.
• 42:42
  And uh, I guess a lot of people in China don't have a problem with the way they are, but I know there are millions of people in China that would love to have freedom and liberty.
• 42:52
  Do you think there are Americans?
• 42:54
  Well, I I think this is maybe even a rhetorical question by the time I get it out of my mouth.
• 42:59
  Do you think there are Americans that believe that the way China is would be a good way for America to believe?
• 43:05
  That's a very good question.
• 43:07
  I I haven't asked anyone that specifically.
• 43:10
  Um that's a very good question.
• 43:14
  I mean, people have this pie in the sky view of what communism is.
• 43:17
  Oh, communism's never been done.
• 43:19
  Yeah.
• 43:19
  Yeah, but every society that's tried to implement it has ended with the bloodbath and the hundred million plus dead bodies.
• 43:26
  Yeah.
• 43:26
  Yeah.
• 43:27
  But I, you know, it it's just scary to me where we are.
• 43:31
  And uh, you know, for me, I uh you've been looking at this for 15 plus years, and it's interesting that you came to uh this place in your life from a mission trip in Russia, and you really started to see the oppression of Christians and believers, and that's where your journey started with this, which I have to believe that God is really using you to try to get this message out because I believe that America is the beacon of the world.
• 44:01
  We are still the bright light, and I believe she's worth saving, and I believe that we can, it can be done.
• 44:08
  I also say this.
• 44:09
  I don't know that we're ever going back to where it was, that maybe it's time to start reimagining where we are going to go.
• 44:17
  If you could reimagine where we are going, what does it look like?
• 44:21
  What does it look like now?
• 44:23
  Oh, that's a very good question.
• 44:25
  I mean I know I'm not the best person to do this, probably, but I mean, we do we do need a society that is kind.
• 44:35
  And and look, I will admit that look, I think people on the left are right that there are the third world countries have gotten the short end of the stick where they have people working for slave wage labors, making the goods for the West to consume.
• 44:48
  Yeah.
• 44:48
  Look, we we need to reform a lot of things.
• 44:50
  There's a lot of problems in the world, but communism is not the answer.
• 44:54
  Socialism is not the answer.
• 44:56
  We need people to choose of their own free will that they want to help uplift people that are underprivileged.
• 45:03
  Absolutely.
• 45:04
  And that's really at the heart of what we need.
• 45:07
  Have you ever have you ever looked into um effective altruism much, Julie?
• 45:12
  Um, I'm not familiar with that term.
• 45:14
  No.
• 45:15
  Okay, well, I'm not going to get into it with you.
• 45:17
  I want you to tell everybody where they can find this documentary, if you would give websites and all of that, so that people have an opportunity to go watch this work.
• 45:26
  Again, the name of the documentary is Beneath Sheep's Clothing.
• 45:30
  We're having a conversation with Julie Bayling.
• 45:34
  Yeah, people can go to Beneath Sheep's Clothing.movie, and you can watch the trailer there.
• 45:40
  If people, you know, want to see it again, they can buy a ticket for the film.
• 45:45
  We will have DVDs up for sale imminently.
• 45:48
  We have a few t-shirts, and also there's a link to buy my book as well as um don't if anyone wants to donate.
• 45:55
  And uh it's beneath sheep's clothing.movie.
• 45:58
  And other than watching this movie, for the people that are listening to this right now, the for the audience here of the truth be told, what do we need to do to bring people's attention to what is happening in America?
• 46:12
  I know that I try to do it all the time, and sometimes we run into a wall when we're having those conversations, and people look at us like we're crazy.
• 46:20
  You know, I've been a conspiracy theorist at least for five or six years.
• 46:24
  For me, it started all with Seth Rich and his murder.
• 46:27
  And my family used to look at me like I was crazy.
• 46:30
  They would call me crazy.
• 46:31
  Now they call me to find out what's going to happen next.
• 46:34
  So what how does that conversation take place with people that really don't believe that America is going to communism?
• 46:41
  Well, watch the film, and we once you you buy it, it's yours.
• 46:46
  $12 and 99 cents.
• 46:47
  You can watch it as many times as you want.
• 46:49
  Invite people over to your home to watch it, share with people.
• 46:52
  Um, I really do feel, and not just because I'm involved with this film, I do feel like it's one of the most powerful vehicles we have, powerful tools to wake people up.
• 47:01
  Um, because the visuals and the and it's it's very well produced, very well done.
• 47:07
  And um I and we need to protect our children.
• 47:10
  That but people need to understand the need to protect their children before they'll they'll protect their children from from these agendas.
• 47:16
  When you look at American history and you go back to the Korean War, which happened just about five years after World War II, and then you go 20 years after that, and you have Vietnam.
• 47:26
  Actually, I guess it was about 15 years.
• 47:28
  I think Kennedy first started sending advisors to Vietnam in about 64 or 65, but it escalated for the next 10 years.
• 47:36
  We were there in all of that, and throw in the bay of pigs, too, by the way, with JFK.
• 47:42
  All of that was in the name of stopping communism.
• 47:46
  American lives have been given for the very purpose of stopping it.
• 47:51
  And to me, I just have a hard time wrapping my brain around the fact that it's here on our doorstep and nobody is doing anything except some in our country are promoting it and wanting it to happen.
• 48:02
  It's bizarre.
• 48:04
  Yeah, we got to understand the history.
• 48:06
  The film does a great job showing the history of of how communism came to America, and it's chilling.
• 48:12
  And look, I'm sorry, our churches here in America began to be infiltrated with communism literally over a hundred years ago.
• 48:19
  So that's one of the reasons why the churches are silent.
• 48:22
  It's very sad.
• 48:23
  Can you talk about that process a little bit?
• 48:25
  How did our churches start becoming infiltrated with communism a century ago?
• 48:32
  Well, you've got these robber barons with loads of money, Rockefeller.
• 48:37
  They bankrolled it.
• 48:39
  They funded um Harry Ward was one of the just one of many, um, who was an avowed communist who went in, became a clergyman, and then he got a position teaching at the Union Theological Seminary.
• 48:51
  Um, and a lot of these communists got positions teaching in the seminaries, and so they influenced the up-and-coming clergy.
• 48:58
  And what they did is they demythologized the Bible.
• 49:02
  They they retooled Christianity to not be this individual relationship with Jesus and a you know, salvation from sin, but instead to be social justice, to be about social justice.
• 49:14
  And because Christianity, Christianity lends itself perfectly to that because we are, as Christians supposed to help the underprivileged.
• 49:22
  So it through the National Council of Churches, an organization called the National Council of Churches, which is still in existence, those churches, those dump denominations that belong to that group, which is about half of America's Christian churches, they by the mid-20th century were very heavily subverted from the top down with communism.
• 49:41
  And it it pushed their adherents further left.
• 49:43
  And those churches have actually had major drop-offs in membership since that time.
• 49:49
  The churches that go left and go woke, um, people tend to walk away from those churches.
• 49:54
  But even in more recent years, people have seen Trevor Louden's documentary, enemies within the church, the evangelical.
• 50:00
  Churches have been infiltrated.
• 50:02
  There's no major Christian denomination that is not infiltrated.
• 50:06
  And uh you can see the fruits of it.
• 50:09
  And there's, you know, we're we have actually another website, Peoples Network.us, where we're putting together tools to help people know what they can do to push the Marxist agendas out of their schools, out of their kids' schools, out of their churches.
• 50:23
  Um, we're working on all that right now as well.
• 50:27
  Well, Julie, you have addressed our children in schools.
• 50:31
  We've addressed the churches.
• 50:33
  One place we have not addressed is how communism has affected academia, the higher institutions of learning.
• 50:42
  They have been there, and I think it's pretty obvious for most of us that that has happened for a long time.
• 50:47
  It's been 50 plus years, hasn't it?
• 50:49
  Oh, it's been more than that.
• 50:51
  Yeah, that that happened before, you know, that would that had that was a prerequisite before the K through 12 schools could be adequately implemented.
• 50:59
  You had to teach the teachers, didn't you?
• 51:02
  Yeah.
• 51:02
  So I mean really it was going back to the early 20th century, that's when all of this really took hold with the universities, and even in K through 12 with like John Dewey and various others who John Dewey, sorry, we we think of he's this great hero for American education.
• 51:18
  He was he's he loved communism.
• 51:20
  He loved the Soviet Union.
• 51:22
  He went to the Soviet Union and studied their education system, praised it excessively and brought some of that back to America.
• 51:30
  Um, but within within the colleges and universities, yeah.
• 51:34
  That look, I went to college and I had a great experience.
• 51:37
  I was one of the few people who I had actually an uh a hater of communism as my major professor.
• 51:42
  She was herself a former Soviet dissident who escaped the Soviet Union by the skin of her teeth.
• 51:47
  So that's who instructed me.
• 51:49
  I don't think we have much of that in our universities anymore.
• 51:51
  No, and when I was in college, which was 40 years ago now, it's hard for me to believe.
• 51:57
  And one of the classes I had was a speech class, and I was pretty good at it in high school, and I debated in high school, and I did really well in this speech class.
• 52:07
  I had over a hundred average through seven speeches.
• 52:10
  The final speech was the biggest one.
• 52:12
  It was a 10 minute speech.
• 52:13
  And I gave that speech on patriotism coming out of the Vietnam War and how our soldiers were treated.
• 52:22
  And I that was my the first time I ever came in contact with somebody that was anti-American.
• 52:30
  That is when I found out that that professor in that speech class didn't think the way that I thought.
• 52:36
  And because of that, even though I thought it was a pretty good speech, all of my other ones had been, it certainly wasn't worth an F, but that's what I got on that.
• 52:43
  Just because of his ideology compared to mine.
• 52:46
  It didn't matter what I was saying, what the content was because of the content, he gave me an F.
• 52:53
  And there was nothing I could do to get out of it.
• 52:55
  My grade went from an A down to I think a low C, maybe a D.
• 53:00
  Uh, but that was 40 years ago, and that's an example of probably 90 or 95% or even more of our professors and teachers at the college level.
• 53:10
  I've had Dr.
• 53:11
  Carol Swain on this program before, and of course, she left Vanderbilt University, used to be at Princeton, but she was sort of forced out.
• 53:19
  And she said that, you know, what she saw was our young people coming to universities in about 12, 13 or 14, those years, 2012 to 14, before she had retired, that those kids came to these classes with more knowledge and information, at least in their opinion, than the professors, that they were able to answer all of the questions the philosophers of the world had been trying to answer for thousands of years, that these kids already knew it.
• 53:48
  And she thought that was odd.
• 53:51
  Yeah, well, I mean, according to James Lindsay, all the pretty much all of the colleges of education were subverted with Marxism by the early 1990s.
• 54:01
  Yeah, I believe that.
• 54:02
  I think so too.
• 54:03
  But what her point was that they were getting to the kids long before they got to college, because my question to her was I think all the at the colleges and universities, they're all Marxist and they're all indoctrinating the kids.
• 54:17
  And she said, but in reality, for the last 15 years, our kids had been indoctrinated before they ever showed up on a campus.
• 54:26
  Right.
• 54:26
  Yeah.
• 54:27
  So I mean, I I I graduated from high school in 1993, so I got out before the schools turned, you know, super Marxist.
• 54:34
  Yeah, I would love to go back to that era.
• 54:36
  And I'm afraid I'm afraid we're not going to be able to.
• 54:39
  But I know this election is important uh for the direction of this country.
• 54:44
  And uh, you know, I hope that you see it the way I do that it it's not personalities and it's not Donald Trump or Kamala Harris or Kamala, however you want to say that.
• 54:55
  I don't want to be called a bigot like the Vanderbilt professor called Nancy Mace last week on CNN.
• 55:00
  Uh so I want to make sure that I pronounce her current n correctly.
• 55:03
  I think it's Kamala is what they expect.
• 55:06
  Um so I'll call her that.
• 55:08
  But it really is not about the personalities here.
• 55:11
  It's about a clear direction of the country.
• 55:14
  Unfortunately, every four years, we're told that.
• 55:19
  And but this time, this time, this election coming up here in about 65 days.
• 55:25
  I think it's a hundred percent accurate, don't you?
• 55:28
  Yes, I mean, and I hope that there's gonna be enough people voting for freedom that it overcomes whatever fraud they try to enact.
• 55:34
  But I I would also I would also really encourage people to vote only for people at every level city, county, state, federal, only people who understand these agendas, the Marxist agendas to overtake America and are explicitly will oppose it.
• 55:51
  Don't vote even if they're Republican.
• 55:53
  There's lots of rhinos.
• 55:55
  Look, I live in Utah.
• 55:56
  We are the land of rhinos here, and it's really bad.
• 55:59
  We have a terrible governor here who panders to the conservatives occasionally, but then he enacts leftist agendas.
• 56:04
  We only need to be able to do that.
• 56:05
  Mitt Romney, Rip Mitt Romney's out there in Utah.
• 56:09
  Well, he he stops in Utah occasionally, but he's not he's not natively from Utah.
• 56:14
  Yeah.
• 56:15
  So, but yeah, he's supposedly, yeah, he's a Utah, and supposedly.
• 56:19
  But yeah, so but we need to be voting in people at all levels who understand these agendas and will fight against them.
• 56:27
  Well, Julie, thank you so much.
• 56:28
  I you mentioned a couple of different things here.
• 56:30
  You mentioned where people can get your movie, and you also mentioned that other website.
• 56:34
  I want you to tell people again about that.
• 56:37
  Her name is Julie Bealing.
• 56:39
  The name of her book is Beneath Sheep's Clothing, and that's also the name of this documentary film that was released in 2024.
• 56:47
  Julie, give us those addresses again.
• 56:49
  Yeah.
• 56:50
  So the film just came out in the in August of 2024, and you can watch it at Beneath Sheep's Clothing.movie.
• 56:56
  You can also grab my book there.
• 56:58
  And at the end of the film, we direct people who want to be a part of the solution.
• 57:02
  The film does a great job exposing the problems, but it we don't have time to go into so deep into the solutions.
• 57:08
  And so we developed People's Network.us for that.
• 57:11
  And right now we had we have a free course video course that is explaining in detail the Marxist agendas within the schools.
• 57:19
  And then we have the solutions.
• 57:21
  Um, of course, with the solutions um coming out very, very soon.
• 57:24
  Julie, thank you so much for your work for the film for the for the book, for the website.
• 57:30
  Thank you for trying to wake people up to what's happening in our country.
• 57:34
  And also thank you for coming on the show.
• 57:36
  I appreciate it.
• 57:37
  Thank you so much for having me.
• 57:38
  There is only one truth.
• 57:41
  You've been listening to The Truth Be Told with Booker Scott on America Out Loud.