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Hutton & Withrow: Cam Ward Backlash Explodes: Titans Fans Turn on Critics as Losses Mount | Hour 1 · Hutton & Withrow Show

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  Speaker 1: We are out of the gates on sport and state.
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  Speaker 2: He's Chad Withrow. I'm Jonathan Hutton.
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  Speaker 2: Chad, good morning. Good morning, Hunt.
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  Speaker 1: Good to be here with you today. In the words
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  Speaker 1: of Vince McMahon, you racist. How dare you stir the
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  Speaker 1: pot on social media. What happened yesterday, man? We got
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  Speaker 1: off air and everything hit the fan.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I've been called a retard and a racist
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  Speaker 2: no short of 45 to 90 times from different people.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, I mean, the 90s are back because
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  Speaker 2: retard is definitely a word that is just very flippantly
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  Speaker 2: thrown around. I've got an elected official for 16 years,
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  Speaker 2: someone named Chris Jackson, who's called me a retard, I'm
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  Speaker 2: pretty sure, on there. So retard is a word that's, hey,
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  Speaker 2: for a while it went away. If you said it,
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  Speaker 2: you'd get canceled. It's back. I've been called a racist retard,
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  Speaker 2: which I didn't know was possible, by the way. I
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  Speaker 2: thought you had to be one or the other. You
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  Speaker 2: couldn't be both. But apparently I am both to Cam
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  Speaker 2: Ward fans.
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  Speaker 1: You have single-handedly confirmed that cancel culture is indeed over.
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  Speaker 2: Cancel culture is over, although people are trying to get
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  Speaker 2: me canceled. You know, this is why you guys don't
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  Speaker 2: have a radio show anymore. This is why no one
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  Speaker 2: watches you or cares anymore. just a word to the
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  Speaker 2: wise for anybody out there. If you want to go
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  Speaker 2: after someone online, the sheer fact that you're going after
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  Speaker 2: them online shows that they're relevant. So the amount of
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  Speaker 2: people that are hating on me on Twitter right now,
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  Speaker 2: on every form of social media, first off, I want
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  Speaker 2: to say welcome to the show and thank you for
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  Speaker 2: supporting us and following us. And thank you. Thank you
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  Speaker 2: for caring because you are disproving your own point that
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  Speaker 2: nobody cares because When your response, when you're responding to
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  Speaker 2: someone is nobody gives a shit what you think, you're
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  Speaker 2: saying that you do give a shit what you think
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  Speaker 2: or what I think because you're responding to me. So
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  Speaker 2: let's stop with that. Let's stop with all that right
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  Speaker 2: now to begin. Am I a racist? What did you
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  Speaker 2: exactly say? For those that don't know. I'm getting to that.
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  Speaker 2: Am I a racist because I said that Cam Ward
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  Speaker 2: looks like an entitled punk for the way he behaved
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  Speaker 2: on Sunday? before the presser? Absolutely not. I would say
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  Speaker 2: that about Will Levis. I would say that about any
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  Speaker 2: white Tennessee Titans or any other quarterback out there. In fact,
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  Speaker 2: if you go back and watch what I said about
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  Speaker 2: Will Levis, these guys are very different. Will Levis came
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  Speaker 2: across as an unserious goofball that was more concerned with
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  Speaker 2: mayonnaise ads that would go to the podium and talk
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  Speaker 2: about a defensive player that didn't even exist on the
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  Speaker 2: roster of the team that he was playing. Cam Ward
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  Speaker 2: is coming across as a bit of a hothead that
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  Speaker 2: likes to break tablets. He's coming across as someone that's
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  Speaker 2: overly arrogant based on what he's actually accomplished in the NFL,
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  Speaker 2: going back at reporters that ask him how he would
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  Speaker 2: rate their performance, not having a clear explanation when Paul
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  Speaker 2: Koharski questions him on how he's a good NFL quarterback
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  Speaker 2: based on the results so far. And then when you're
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  Speaker 2: going to sit there and it's a joke or this is,
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  Speaker 2: you can cover for cam ward all that you want
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  Speaker 2: okay i saw the video if he's joking about it
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  Speaker 2: he did a damn poor job of showing that he's
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  Speaker 2: joking about it he walked into a room i didn't
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  Speaker 2: take it that way ticked off that no one was
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  Speaker 2: there and he said three minutes and he looks at
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  Speaker 2: his phone like like an entitled punk do i believe
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  Speaker 2: that cam ward is an entitled punk i don't know
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  Speaker 2: that to be a fact Every other piece of evidence
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  Speaker 2: about this guy's career shows that he's not that. This
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  Speaker 2: is what I said yesterday in the clip. This is
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  Speaker 2: what people watch, but too many are too dumb to
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  Speaker 2: fully comprehend what I'm saying. Look at Cam Ward's history.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go all the way back. This guy is from Texas,
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  Speaker 2: football state, didn't get opportunities out of high school even
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  Speaker 2: though he was a successful quarterback. Had to go to
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  Speaker 2: Incarnate Word. Went there, balled out, took a move up.
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  Speaker 2: to Washington State. Went there, balled out, became a guy
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  Speaker 2: that was in the Heisman conversation in Pullman, Washington. Not
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  Speaker 2: easy to do. Great accomplishment. Parlays that to South Beach, Miami.
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  Speaker 2: Balls out. Sets records. Miami's great. College football playoff team.
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  Speaker 2: Comes across as a good leader with that team. Gets
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  Speaker 2: drafted number one overall in the NFL. Gets the Titans.
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  Speaker 2: Has not shown that. Has not shown that at all
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  Speaker 2: with the I don't think he's shown excellent leadership abilities.
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  Speaker 2: I think he's been dismissive of media members that ask
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  Speaker 2: legitimate questions. I think when you lose a game to
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  Speaker 2: go to 0-4 and set your team behind the eight
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  Speaker 2: ball for a second straight year after starting 0-4 the
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  Speaker 2: year before, a franchise that hasn't won back-to-back games since
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  Speaker 2: the John Robinson administration, when you come across that way
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  Speaker 2: before a press conference, you look like an entitled punk.
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  Speaker 2: I would say that about anybody. That's just the reality
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  Speaker 2: of the matter. Do I believe he's that? No, I don't.
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  Speaker 2: Because he's proven himself at other stops along the way.
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  Speaker 2: Here's what I want as a native Nashvilleian, Hutton, and
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  Speaker 2: someone who follows the Titans. I want him to be
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  Speaker 2: accountable for his own actions. I don't want him to
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  Speaker 2: be asked a question about how he can improve and
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  Speaker 2: say that the receivers need to flatten out their routes.
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  Speaker 2: It's a valid excuse, by the way. Carnell Tate needs
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  Speaker 2: to hold on to the football. Calvin really needs to
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  Speaker 2: hold on to the football. His guys need to make plays.
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  Speaker 2: Cam Ward was better on Sunday. He was. He was
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  Speaker 2: better than he's been in the past. Still not good enough.
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  Speaker 2: It's still not good enough. And when you're going to
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  Speaker 2: the podium and Titans fans want to come back at
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  Speaker 2: me and say, but they were close. They were close.
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  Speaker 2: They're closer, Chad. Look at this, you retard racist. They're closer.
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  Speaker 2: This is the NFL. The games are designed to be
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  Speaker 2: seven points or less point spreads. It's supposed to be close.
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  Speaker 2: The game in the NFL is not playing close, especially
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  Speaker 2: when the opposing team benches their quarterback at halftime to
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  Speaker 2: rest him because he's dinged up a little bit and
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  Speaker 2: decides not to score a point in the second half,
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  Speaker 2: and you still lose. And you don't score your first
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  Speaker 2: touchdown in the second half until very late where you
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  Speaker 2: have to go for an onside kick and the game
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  Speaker 2: is over. It's not good enough. And if you are
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  Speaker 2: a fan that is going to defend Cam Ward and
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  Speaker 2: everything else about the organization– at all times and at
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  Speaker 2: all turns, you are doing the team a disservice. You're
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  Speaker 2: not helping them. You're not helping anyone. So you can
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  Speaker 2: call me a racist retard. You can say that I'm malnourished,
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  Speaker 2: which is one that I got overnight at 2 a.m.
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  Speaker 2: from someone, which that's new. Thank you. I guess me
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  Speaker 2: cutting out some of the red meat in my diet
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  Speaker 2: has worked. I don't look quite as fat on this show.
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  Speaker 2: So I appreciate you for saying that I look malnourished.
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  Speaker 2: But Hutton, it's ridiculous. We can give honest opinions and also...
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  Speaker 2: He looked like an entitled punk. Do I believe that
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  Speaker 2: he is ultimately?
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: And I said it yesterday. He's proven people wrong at
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  Speaker 2: every turn. It's time to start proving me wrong. It's
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  Speaker 2: time to start proving everybody else wrong. No, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: It's not time now. It's been time. It was time
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  Speaker 2: in the middle of last year, your rookie year. It's
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  Speaker 2: time now to turn it around. The middle of.
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  Speaker 1: Last year, though, they fire his offensive coordinator and his
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  Speaker 1: head coach. and everybody's just going up.
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  Speaker 2: Season's over. I mean, we knew it. We knew it.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, they overhauled his offensive line. They overhauled wide receiver. Um,
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  Speaker 1: they they've done things around him now where there are
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  Speaker 1: no excuses. The wide receiving core last year was abysmal, awful. Um,
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  Speaker 1: two rookies are leading the way in that group. Um,
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  Speaker 1: offensive line, he stacked 55 times the most of the NFL. Um,
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  Speaker 1: We know that once Callahan's fired, it's like, okay, what
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  Speaker 1: do you do?
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  Speaker 2: Nothing.
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  Speaker 1: It's hard to lead at that point, especially as a
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  Speaker 1: rookie where it's easy to lead in college where you're
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  Speaker 1: the NIL guy and you're there for a year. And
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  Speaker 1: everybody's there for a year practically. So everybody's on board
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  Speaker 1: for that one season. It's mind-boggling to me, though, that
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  Speaker 1: we are in a spot where these are not, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not criticizing the questions. They're valid questions. But they are
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  Speaker 1: layup questions. We're criticizing a question that was, how would
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  Speaker 1: you assess your preseason performance? That was Stillman's question. That
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  Speaker 1: was the initial question. Paul is asking, how are you
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  Speaker 1: a good quarterback? How is that a difficult question to answer?
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  Speaker 2: It's not. It's not being overly critical.
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  Speaker 1: It is a question that players get all the time.
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  Speaker 1: How would you assess your performance? I mean, that's fair.
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  Speaker 1: And the coaches are asked that all the time.
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  Speaker 2: All the time.
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  Speaker 1: But yet, somehow, you have Bobani Jones. He's on his podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Check this out, where Bobani Jones... If you want to
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  Speaker 1: see two guys who are just clueless about this story
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  Speaker 1: and about where we are on the timeline of Cam Ward, I.
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  Speaker 2: Present Bomani Jones and his partner, Powder P. Did you
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  Speaker 2: see the thing that happened with Cam Ward?
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  Speaker 3: And it doesn't sound like it was his fault.
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  Speaker 2: Whatever is going on between him and the media there
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  Speaker 2: is super weird.
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  Speaker 3: You only have a media go that hard at the quarterback,
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  Speaker 3: let alone the young quarterback on a team that nobody
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  Speaker 3: expects to be good, with the consent of either coaching
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  Speaker 3: or management. I don't know what they are telling people
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  Speaker 3: about him, but it's i don't know how that turns
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  Speaker 3: around everybody's.
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  Speaker 2: He was the number one overall pick last year.
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  Speaker 3: The only thing that to me seems to be his
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  Speaker 3: saving grace right now is is there a quarterback in
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  Speaker 3: this upcoming draft that's so good that you can do
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  Speaker 3: a josh rosen type of situation on him because i
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  Speaker 3: just i mean it just Everything about it seems sour.
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  Speaker 3: And in a way, again, I don't think I've ever
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  Speaker 3: felt like I've seen anything like this.
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  Speaker 1: But Monty Jones has never seen anything like this. I
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  Speaker 1: present the national media. Everyone bow down.
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  Speaker 2: To us, Chad. The national media is too harsh. The
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  Speaker 2: national media, arbiters of hate, toughest media group in America.
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  Speaker 2: The five people who traveled with the team. We're so tough.
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  Speaker 2: The five people that traveled with the team, every single
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  Speaker 2: one of them, guys, non-story, he's joking, this and this.
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  Speaker 2: We were late because we're talking to Jeffrey Simmons. They're
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  Speaker 2: defending the guy in this instance. They're not too tough.
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  Speaker 2: And also, did the ownership give a code red? Somebody's
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  Speaker 2: allowing it type thing?
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  Speaker 1: He's like, there's a leak. Here's the second part of this.
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  Speaker 1: He's saying there's a leak within the building telling insiders.
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  Speaker 1: to go after Cam Ward, which is just, it's the opposite.
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  Speaker 1: If you speak his name, it better be good or
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  Speaker 1: you're not going to be allowed in the building. And
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  Speaker 1: hostility and nepotism is to blame, not Cam Ward. It's
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  Speaker 1: hostility and nepotism, Chad. And the other guy is no
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  Speaker 1: Edward R.
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  Speaker 2: Murrow. I mean, he needs to, DBAP, listen to him
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  Speaker 2: here about the media. It's just so wild how hostile
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  Speaker 2: it is. I've never seen anything like that. That's not how...
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  Speaker 2: American media works.
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  Speaker 3: No, especially not where the teams have so much control
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  Speaker 3: over the media guys.
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  Speaker 2: They're talking about the coverage of Cam Ward.
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  Speaker 3: Now, they did have that one guy that came and
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  Speaker 3: asked him that question, and I think they took his
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  Speaker 3: press pass away from him. But then we saw more
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  Speaker 3: stuff come after. Somebody's telling these guys this is okay.
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  Speaker 3: And it's interesting because they have an obvious ownership problem
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  Speaker 3: with that team. The only thing worse than Bud Adams
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  Speaker 3: being your owner is a second-generation Bud Adams situation. And
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  Speaker 3: that's what they've got. This team doesn't look good. The
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  Speaker 3: organization doesn't seem to be strong. People around them have
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  Speaker 3: been complaining about Amy Strzok for as long as I
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  Speaker 3: can think of since she got there. The quarterback may
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  Speaker 3: be a reflection of an issue. But their issues are grand,
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  Speaker 3: and they are giant, and it all seems that right
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  Speaker 3: now the face of it is their 20-something-year-old quarterback who,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know. I don't know what exactly
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  Speaker 3: to make of it, but it's bad.
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  Speaker 2: This is the same organization that ran off Mike Vrabel,
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  Speaker 2: gave away A.J. Brown, and said no thanks to Eric Henry.
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  Speaker 2: When you put it like that.
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  Speaker 1: If you want to see two dudes that don't have
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  Speaker 1: an effing clue, right there is a prime example.
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  Speaker 2: This is the number one overall pick. Number one overall.
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  Speaker 2: This is the definition of coddling. This is it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how we've got to this level where
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  Speaker 1: we look at his play and somehow assess, guys, don't
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  Speaker 1: go hard on Cam. I've never seen anything like this
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  Speaker 1: in the national media.
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  Speaker 3: What?
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  Speaker 2: What?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Will Levis says, hold my beer. Unbelievable that,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you just assume that it's a leak in
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  Speaker 1: the building. Telling us that it's okay.
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  Speaker 2: Who's telling us? His play. The offense's play. They can't
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  Speaker 2: score 10 points.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's unreal that all of a sudden the
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  Speaker 1: national media is compared to Philadelphia or New York, or
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  Speaker 1: they need to take notes on how to actually– they're
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  Speaker 1: now the standard of what it's like to be very
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  Speaker 1: polite in the media.
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  Speaker 2: Don't go to Nashville, though. You don't want to play there.
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  Speaker 2: This is not how American media works. I know those
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  Speaker 2: two follow politics. I'm quite certain of it. Look how
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  Speaker 2: politics are covered in America right now. And you think
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  Speaker 2: because Cam Ward gets a question from Paul Koharski about
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  Speaker 2: why do you believe you're a good quarterback, that that's hard?
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  Speaker 1: And a question about how would you assess your preseason?
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  Speaker 1: How would you rate your preseason? That was the question
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  Speaker 1: that got everything. And all you said, how would you
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  Speaker 1: rate it?
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  Speaker 2: Not good. Oh, okay. That is what... I mean, it
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  Speaker 2: is absurd. This is not how American media works is
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  Speaker 2: my favorite quote in that whole exchange. What they didn't say, though, Chad,
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  Speaker 2: was that he's a good quarterback. They never said he's
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  Speaker 2: a good quarterback.
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  Speaker 3: Never.
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  Speaker 2: No, they're talking about Josh Rosen. with them also in
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  Speaker 2: the same breath. So, I mean, they clearly don't believe
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  Speaker 2: that he's a good quarterback or that he's done a
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  Speaker 2: good job.
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  Speaker 1: What they're doing is the organization is trying to speak
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  Speaker 1: everything into existence. That's the problem. There's nothing that backs
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  Speaker 1: that up. And we discussed this in the preseason. You
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  Speaker 1: can be all gas, no break. You can be BTA
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  Speaker 1: and go against the Seattle Steelers. You have to back
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  Speaker 1: that up.
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  Speaker 2: J.C. Latham is talking. He's got to back that up.
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  Speaker 2: If you want to chirp, that's fine.
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  Speaker 1: But again, Jeffrey Simmons does that and actually does that
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  Speaker 1: on the field. We have not seen that. But they continue.
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  Speaker 1: Sala did it yesterday. He's going to be a good quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: I'm telling you guys. Cam's going to be fine. You
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  Speaker 1: can't just speak that into existence. And that's all they're
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  Speaker 1: doing right now.
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  Speaker 2: Then why do you throw it one out of 15
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  Speaker 2: plays in the red zone? If you have so much
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  Speaker 2: faith in your quarterback and you believe in him, why
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  Speaker 2: are you taking your quarterback off the field? on a
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  Speaker 2: fourth and goal and going with a wildcat formation and
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  Speaker 2: direct snapping it to someone else. I mean, there are
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  Speaker 2: a lot of follow-up questions to be asked of Robert
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  Speaker 2: Sala in this too, who also, by the way, has
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  Speaker 2: not done a good job so far this year. And
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  Speaker 2: the proof is in the results. They're 0-4. And I'm
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  Speaker 2: sick and tired of hearing from Titans fans about they're closer. Guys,
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  Speaker 2: you're down 24-7 against the actual Baltimore Ravens at halftime.
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  Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson was eating your lunch. The entire first half.
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  Speaker 2: He gets dinged up. There's an ankle sprain. If it
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  Speaker 2: were the Buffalo Bills he was playing, probably going to
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  Speaker 2: play in that second half. They're going to wrap it up.
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  Speaker 2: They're going to shoot him up with Toradol, and he's
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  Speaker 2: going to get out there and play. But because it's
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  Speaker 2: the Tennessee Titans that are 0-3, not threatening at all offensively,
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  Speaker 2: then you can sit your quarterback the entire second half.
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  Speaker 2: And essentially... run a muddle huddle, ruckus from the second
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  Speaker 2: half and get out of the game, where the Titans,
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  Speaker 2: they kicked a field goal the entire second half until
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  Speaker 2: that last drive with a touchdown, and they get it
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  Speaker 2: to 24-18 and then get an onside kick and don't
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  Speaker 2: get it, and it's over. That game was not as
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  Speaker 2: close as the final score. I'm thrilled they covered the spread.
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  Speaker 2: I bet on them to cover the spread, the 11.5.
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  Speaker 2: So thank you for that last touchdown. Cam Ward was
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  Speaker 2: better in that game. It's still not anywhere close yet.
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  Speaker 2: to good enough. And everybody's got to acknowledge that. But
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't matter what I say. Like people can call
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  Speaker 2: me a racist retard, malnourished, balding, whatever you want to
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: call me. I don't care. I don't care. Like that's fine.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: Take your anger and your frustration out on me. That's
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: what's happening right now. The first person that's got to
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: be accountable for this is Cam Ward. The first person
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: that has to acknowledge he's not good enough right now
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: is Cam Ward. And when I see a guy in
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: the media room standing there, scrolling his phone, listening to music,
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: and not jokingly saying, NFL on Fox posted that, by
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: the way. They didn't see a joke in that either.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: I didn't see it. Cam Ward's not happy with no
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: one in the press conference as he walks in. You
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: don't look like somebody who's accountable after another loss. When
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: I see that, I want to see more accountability and
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: the admission that what I'm doing isn't good enough. Not
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: everybody else, not flattening out routes, not the defense, not
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: the offensive line. I need Cam Ward to go and say,
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: what I'm doing is not good enough, and I've got
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: to be better. We need more of that first, and
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: then maybe we'll see some improvement after.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: I felt last year he was accountable. It was a
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: different vibe that I had. It's not the same. And
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: it is just mind-numbing. how we can watch this same
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: result and somehow there's improvement. He's had good practices. Tell
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: me where he had a good week of practices. I
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: haven't seen that. There's no consistency. The only thing consistent
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: is the inconsistency. So, okay, he had a good game.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: Great. Good. Now do it again. Be the number one
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: overall pick and do it again. Be elite.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: The Titans drafted him. They drafted a good quarterback. They
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: drafted a quarterback. They told us by drafting him where
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: they did, he was going to be great.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: So let's see it.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: And somehow it's gone from that stance and the selling
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: of hope, they're selling hope, to don't you dare speak
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: about our golden child.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: And it's ridiculous. And Hutton, also, the Will Levis comparisons
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: that I keep getting. You didn't say that about Will Levis.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: I mentioned that to you. You wouldn't call him a punk.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: People have a real problem with the word punk, which whatever.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: That's what it comes across to me. Pick your other
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: word you want to use in that. Will Levis, though,
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: I hated the Will Levis draft pick. Immediately you hated it.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: People hated Will Levis from the start. And the argument
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: at the time was, oh, those are just Tennessee fans
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: that hate Will Levis. That's why they're mad about him
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: being picked the second round. That's all that is. But
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: that's not just what it is because that wasn't what
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: it was with me. I didn't love the guy in college.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: I didn't like his demeanor at times. I was skeptical
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: of that pick from the very beginning. I was not
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: skeptical of Cam Ward. I had faith in Cam Ward.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: I liked the pick. The Titans had to go quarterback,
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: and to me, he was the best quarterback there. Could
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: you have traded back? Could you have done everything? Yeah,
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: I would have been fine with it. that too. But
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: if you're sticking and picking, to me, Cam Ward was
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: the pick. So I'm not someone who's been this unbeliever
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: in Cam Ward ever. and not showing any faith in
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: the guy from day one. I was that way with
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: Will Levis, by the way. Never liked it. Never liked
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: the pick. Never believed in him. Trashed it from start
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: to finish. I'm not that way with Cam Ward. He
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: has earned my lack of faith in him. He's truly
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: earned it. Over the course of now a season and
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: a quarter of another season, essentially, he has earned my
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: lack of faith in him. Not just with his play.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Not just with careless plays like we saw. This past
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: weekend where he's trying to pitch it back and nearly fumbles.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: He's throwing it forward. Tony Pollard should have caught it.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: But when you make plays like that consistently, the way
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Will Levis would, that we crushed him over. And then
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: with his demeanor at the podium, with the lack of
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: accountability throughout the season. It's the timeline of all that stuff.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: We can count numerous instances of this also. Look, he's
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: earned my lack of faith in him right now. It's
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: on him to go and not just improve, but start
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: winning football games and consistently playing winning football and looking
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: not just like a mediocre NFL quarterback, Hutton, but looking
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: like the number one overall pick. It's time.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, it is year two. We're in October. You've
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: got the offensive coordinator who wanted to trade up. He
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: was the head coach of the Giants, wanted to trade
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: up with the Titans at the time to draft the guys.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: they're going to give Brian Dable more time than four
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: games with this. But, Chad, it's not even about the fumbles.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: He was doing that in college. That carried over. It's
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: the footwork.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: It's the accuracy. Those things have not improved. Paul points
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: this out all the time. He does a great job
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: with this on the side. Those things are very similar
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: throughout the two years, a year and a half. That's
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: where the development has to happen. And we're not seeing that.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: And somehow.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: The fact is he's lost to Geno Smith, Jameis Winston,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: and a half of Tyler Huntley.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: And he's, oh, guys, he's getting better.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: You know, it's not like he's being out-dueled by, you know,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: future Hall of Famers here. And the other one was
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts. You know, he's not listed in the top
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: ten quarterbacks. No one lists him there.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Point being, like, outplay them.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: And they could barely move the football in the first
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: half of those games. There's an issue with the whole–
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: the fact that even the outside national media thinks that
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: there's something going on here with leaks.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: Give me a break on that. It's unreal. When is
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: enough enough? A comment I keep getting back from a
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: lot of Titans fans is just let the kid develop.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: Let the kid– hey, they're just kids. He's only 24
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: years old. He's only played college football before. at three
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: different places before. He's underdeveloped. Just let him develop. He
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: needs time to develop. Just shut up, guys. Stop criticizing
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: him and let him develop. When is enough enough? Is
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: it 0-6? Is it 0-10? Hutton, is it 0-17? You
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: know as well as.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: I do, if this were next year and not this year,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: if this were the new stadium, he'd be bitched. First
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: year of the stadium. The coach's job is.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: To be on the line. We know that. This is just...
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: You know, get to the new era. That's what it is.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: And he is the marketing arm of all of it.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: It's him and Jeffrey Simmons, but, you know, Simmons is
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: up there in the career. They're putting their entire rosters
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: based on Cam Ward. And that's an issue now, once again.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm just baffled. Me too. You feel like you're
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: being pranked. I thought the Giants lost where they lost
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: to famous Jameis, who then went and philosophized afterwards. And
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: he did it again after their next win. But I
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: thought with that putrid offensive performance and then having a
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: chance to win it in the end, I was shocked
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: that they had a chance to do it. And then
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: he just tosses a lollipop to a safety and I
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: thought that was the day that the Titans fan base
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: lost hope in Cam Ward. And boy, was I proven
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: wrong yesterday. And I'm also, Brooke says, the word punk,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: everybody's saying has racial overtones. No, it doesn't. So we
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: can't say punk rock? Will Levis behaved like a punk
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: at times. Aaron Rodgers looks like a punk on the field.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: And he's a 43-year-old white man. I mean, there are
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: times where he also looks like a punk. It's just,
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: come on, people. He's a bad NFL quarterback right now.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: I want him to be a good NFL quarterback. But
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: if you're going to be a bad NFL quarterback, the
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: last thing that I want to see from any franchise
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: quarterback in any market that has an NFL team is
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: to not roll teammates and everyone else under the bus
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: and to hold yourself accountable for it. He has a
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: very difficult time holding himself accountable repeatedly. That's a problem
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: that he's going to have to correct. There's a head
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: coach in Nashville right now. who says it's about winning
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: or losing. And that's just it. The whole narrative shaping.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: They're trying to shape a narrative. And the head coach
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: went on Rich Eisen's show back in August and said, yeah,
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: it's just about wins or lose.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: You win or you lose. That's really all it comes
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: down to. So they're 0-4. If you want the narrative
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: to change, win football games. Actually do that. And don't
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: wait until December to do it. And by the way,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: one of the three wins we're giving him credit for,
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals stumbled on the one-yard line.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: So.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Give me more than just give me time. Produce wins,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: and things will change.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Here's the good news. You've got another 0-4 team coming
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: to your house on Sunday. Also, you're a touchdown underdog.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: It's a get-right game for the Texans. That's how they're
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: looking at it. At home. That's how they're looking at it.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: The Titans have to win this game. We said it
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: about the Jets game before the year. There's no excuse.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Go win this game. If you want to start to
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: change things, then start winning football games. It starts by
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: beating a fellow 0-4 team at home.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: We do a lot of good, but again, the vibe
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: is it's a get-right game for Houston, and it's just
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: the 0-4 Titans.
• 26:10
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• 26:16
  Speaker 1: You might be surprised. Chad's going to win back the fans.
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• 26:25
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• 26:28
  Speaker 2: As my buddy always says, whenever there's a lot of
• 26:30
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• 26:33
  Speaker 2: the game ends and the team wins, I, for one,
• 26:36
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• 26:40
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  Speaker 2: I never doubted these kids. Never doubted for a moment.
• 26:49
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• 26:51
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  Speaker 1: win on the show. Chad, why is Heupel so not
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: wanting to address the quarterback situation? Is this to appease
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: guys behind the scenes? Is there really any gamesmanship here?
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: I don't see how they use advantage.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: I think there is. There's nothing that benefits Josh Heupel
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: by announcing a starting quarterback. So like saying that you
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: guys are going to find out on Saturday with everyone else.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: We're going to review the film. We're going to watch
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: practice this week. And then we'll announce a starter on Saturday.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think Ryan Silverfield probably thinks he's going
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: to get George McIntyre as the starter. And, you know,
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: the difference in game planning is one guy might run
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: some more design plays than the other is basically it.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: I'll also say from Josh Hybel's perspective, it doesn't really
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: benefit him to announce a starter now. So I understand
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: not saying who you're going to start at quarterback. But
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: we got a clip. This is from him at his
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: press conference on Monday. This was the seventh question in
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: a row. to start the press conference about the quarterback situation.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Here was Josh Heupel's response. As you're going through the
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: quarterback decision, are you evaluating differently to determine who's better
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: equipped for? Okay, next question. I'm done with quarterbacks. Politely.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Hey, equal opportunity there. I like that, you know,
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: sometimes you're quicker to go back at a man who's
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: asking the question again. But that young lady did not
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: get the Teresa Walker treatment at Titans Press Corps. With that,
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, he cut off the young lady asking the
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: question also. He did, I saw from multiple people, he
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: went by and apologized politely. After the press conference, he said, hey,
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: you didn't do anything wrong. You know, I just was
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: ready to move on. Not a bad question, yada, yada, yada.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: And apologized to the young woman who asked that question.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Here's what I would say about this. That's fine. I
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: understand the motivation not to want to continue talking about
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: quarterback when you're not going to say anything about it
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: and not when the press isn't taking the cues to
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: move on to something else because you're giving them a
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: bunch of non-answers. You might be a little frustrated or irritated. Also, Hutton,
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: it's the only story about Tennessee football right now. It's
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: the top story. It's the one everybody's talking about. How
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: are you going to handle George McIntyre and Faison Brandon,
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: not just this week, But throughout the rest of the season,
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: how hurt was he? Is that a convenient comeback on
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: a Monday to say, oh, well, he was hurt, and
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: that was a big contributing factor to it to protect
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: your young quarterback, which I also don't disagree with that
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: decision to help protect him because of his play in
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: that situation. But where do you fall on this? Are
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: you mad at Josh Heupel for doing that? Do you
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: feel like it's over the top to cut somebody off?
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: What do you think?
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: No, I mean– I think he's just tired. This is
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: the same question. He's like, I'm going to say the
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: same answer. Let me cut it off. You know, it
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: sets the tone. Like, I'll cut it off here. That
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: way there's no follow-up. I get that.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: This is Josh Heifel.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, like, if we're talking to him at SEC
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Media Days, whenever they're having the, I guess it was the,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: was it the Joe Milton and Hendon Hooker year where
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: he just didn't want to talk about it with us?
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Or it may have been right after that with Nico
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: in the competition or whatever. um he doesn't like talking
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: about those battles um okay that's fine but this is
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: a huge story and it's not going to go away
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: just based on one game or one performance because we're
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: going to see where Brandon's going to get healthy and
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: he was the he was the guy coming out of
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: camp and there's also been a trend where the backup
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: plays better under Hypel, whenever he comes off the bench,
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: and he kind of takes over. We've seen that too.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Or a guy who doesn't practice well but plays well.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: That's also been a trend under him. That's going to continue.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: I like what we saw from McIntyre. I would say
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: he's no different, though, than Faison Brandon, where we will
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: see things where he can be composed, but will we
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: see consistency? That's hard to do. especially with the schedule
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: coming up. He's going to use both of them. I
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: think this is more about just not having to address
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: it and making sure both guys are happy about it.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: I get that sense.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: It's like he kind of said that there was word
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: getting out right at the end of camp that McIntyre
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: was making a late push. And you came on and
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: said what? Faison Brand is the starter. You'd be like,
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: The message is what it is. I think we know
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: who's starting based on the way the game turned out.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: And this is a good game for McIntyre to go
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: on the road to do this.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, look, again, I don't blame him. He shouldn't announce
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: a starter until Saturday. He doesn't have to. So just, hey,
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: when you guys turn on the broadcast, you'll see who's
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: starting and who's warming up as a starter on Saturday.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: We'll all find out together at the same time. I'm
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: totally fine with that. The way Josh Heupel handles the
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: quarterbacks moving forward, is going to be the tale of
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: this Tennessee season. Why? They've got a defense that's going
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: to keep them in every game. I really believe that.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: They've got a top four or five defense right now,
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: and we've seen quite a bit of the season at
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: this point. We're five games in, so we're nearing that
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: halfway point after this week of the season. Tennessee's defense
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: looks legit. They're going to give them a chance in
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: most every game. So they need a quarterback that can
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: go 8 for 10 for 86 yards. You know, in
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: certain games like George McIntyre did in a half of football, right?
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: If you double that production and that efficiency, that's exactly
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: what Tennessee needs. Faison Brandon is going to be a
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: bigger playmaker than George McIntyre. He can make something happen.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: He can be electric with his ability to run. I
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: believe that ultimately he's the bigger, higher ceiling between the two,
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: and he can make a bigger play in a game.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: He can't come out looking like a deer in the
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: headlights for back-to-back weeks the way he did. He looked terrified.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: He looked confident and composed at Georgia Tech in that
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: game and sure of himself. He did. Looking at his
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: eyes on the television broadcast, you could tell he was
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: seeing ghosts. He didn't quite know what was going on.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: He was not confident at all. Josh Heupel made the
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: right decision to go with George McIntyre. They need both.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: They need both moving forward. This is not an either-or
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: to me. You're starting George McIntyre for the remainder of
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: the season. Faison Brandon will start again. Faison Brandon will
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: enter a game either due to injury or poor play again.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: You need, if Brandon is in fact banged up the
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: way they're claiming, and I think he is, rest him
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: up this week. Start George McIntyre. Let him watch from
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: the sideline and see if the game slows down for him.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: In the week after that, you've got Alabama. You're going
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: to need both those guys. I'm going to go ahead
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: and say it. Alabama's going to score points, even on
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: a good Tennessee defense. You're going to need both of
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: those guys to perform well. in order to have a
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: chance against Alabama in that offense. No doubt. Because that's
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: a game where I don't think you're getting away with
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: scoring 24 points like you did against Auburn in that game.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: You're going to have to score into the 30s if
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: you're going to have a chance to beat Alabama. Way
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: better than Texas' offense. Texas' defense is a lot better
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: than Alabama's defense, but that offense is way better. So
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Tennessee needs both moving forward.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: The one area where I think it could have been
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: handled a lot better is with the injury itself. Because
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: in the game, that wasn't really addressed. He wasn't on
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: the injury report. So, like, he's got an injury now.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: Okay. I mean, that's fine. I'd take them at their word.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: Of course he would.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: He got lit up against Texas. But my perception was
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: he just got yanked. You know, like, because of how
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: he was playing. Does that carry over? Do you look
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: over your shoulder now because.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: Of how fast the hook came? from the coach.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: That's another storyline to follow for both guys. He made
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: the right call. They won the game because he did
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: that when he did it. So I'm not criticizing the move,
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: but the halftime interview, it wasn't like the guy, he
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: said like, yeah, he's been banged up and it was
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: just kind of like, he just doesn't, he doesn't have it.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: He didn't have it today or he's not, you know,
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: it doesn't feel right or whatever. I didn't take it
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: like injury initially. And it could be an injury, but
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: normally you just lean on that. He didn't lean on that,
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: and I don't know why.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: I go back to the injury when it happened, and
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: I'm in the stadium, and he's walking off the field.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: The way he was holding his shoulder pad, he broke
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: his collarbone. The way he landed on it, body rolled
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: over the top of him. He's going to be out
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: for an extended period of time. I don't know exactly
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: what happened. Tennessee's not going to reveal it. They do
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: a really good job of eliminating leaks. Within that program,
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: there's not a lot that gets out with specifics on
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: an injury unless a guy's out for the year. So
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know that we're going to know or find
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: out the extent of that injury. But if he's banged
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: up and it's something that just takes time, boy, now's
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: a good week to heal him up and rest him up.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: I think George McIntyre, if he plays anything like he
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: did on Saturday, good enough to go to Arkansas and
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: do enough to win. You just go survive that road trip,
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: win however you need to, whether it's by 35 points
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: or three points, you go on the road and win,
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: and then you set that matchup up against Alabama a
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: week later.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: Got to stay focused on Arkansas and not look ahead, too.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: That's for sure. Refs.
• 38:03
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• 39:26
  Speaker 1: I was a sideline reporter for a handful of seasons
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: with Titans Radio. I was stunned with how much the
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: refs talk just as much as the players or the
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: coaches talk. with the whistle in the mouth, they can
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: still fire off some F-bombs if they want to. And
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: they're not afraid to do that, especially the side judges.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: It's not the white hat, but everyone else. Chad, are
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: you surprised that all of a sudden we've got three
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: different refs, ref issues around the league that everyone's dealing with?
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Of course, no surprise to me that Vrabel's willing to
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: talk about it. He would, of course, be a part
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: of it. but one in particular that is of note.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: The other ones I'm not surprised by, quite frankly. First off,
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: I was a little bit surprised. I'm just saying they
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: talk a lot of trash. If the coach is going
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: at them, they will turn around and say F you.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: I've heard that a lot. I would say it's no
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: different than any sport.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: That surprises me, honestly. What I saw from McBride, the
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: Arizona Cardinals player, and the guy where he's asking a question,
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: and he's kind of doing this, and he's not cussing
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: at the guy or anything. He's turning back and saying,
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: F you, F you, over and over to him. He
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: got suspended two games. We have the tweet in the
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: post from Mike about the two-game suspensions for both these refs.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: This is the story we're referencing. So he's actually suspended.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: He's not going to be aside the Titans.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: Game this weekend. Yeah. Yeah. So congrats on an open weekend. Enjoy. Yeah.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: Jeff Seaman, Adrian Hill, two guys. Jeff Seaman's guys yelling F-U.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: Back at McBride. Right. Right. Adrian Hill. I thought was
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: completely unprofessional. And he's the white hat. Yeah. I mean,
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know what he's doing. Like he thought the guy,
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: he got stumbled into him. He's trying to hold him
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: up and help him up. And he's like swatting at
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: him and yelling at him and telling him to go
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: back to the huddle. And it was clearly an accident
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: on his part. I thought that was a weird overreaction.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: I am surprised to hear Hutton that you said on
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: the sideline, I've seen a lot in the NHL where
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: it's just like every other word, regardless from every coach player,
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: and ref, but they're just constantly talking trash to each
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: other the whole time. Or you have a manager and
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: an umpire, and that's just commonplace. Yeah, I was a
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: little surprised to see the faraway shouts when a guy's
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: asking a question the way it was with Jeff Seaman,
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: who got the two-game suspension. Being able to see it
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: like that, that's fair. We normally don't.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: But all the parabolic microphones and stuff pick up all
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: that stuff, and the networks just choose not to go
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: with them.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: They don't want the F-bombs, of course.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, coaches will still be on top of
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: a ref about a previous call, and they'll still be chirping.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: They'll turn back. You can see their head move back.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: They're just chirping. They're talking trash, too. They're not saying, no,
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: you missed the call. They're saying, pipe down, you MF-er.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: It's no different than if a player talks to them
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: or a coach talks to them. I know it's surprising
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: because we don't see it, but it's normally not as
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: unprofessional as it's been. And then you've got, you know,
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: the NFL player association director saying like, this is uncalled for.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, they, they do this all the time.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: When he played, they were doing this. I don't know.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: He's taking advantage of the, of the moment, but like,
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, they're being replaced by a worse ref this week.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: Well, so much of the response is what is the
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: narrative being discussed? And is it a national story? And
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: on Sunday, ref behavior, refs gone wild, became the national
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: story between Wilson and Seaman and their reactions to different things.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: And then you had the Brable one. That were all
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: just over the top, I thought, watching it. And again,
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: you're down the sideline, and you did this for years,
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: so you've seen a lot more of that interaction than
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: anyone else. But yeah, if a coach is going to
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: come at you screaming, cursing, In your ear, and you
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: look back right at the coach and say, STFU or GTFO.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: Or it's a quarter later. They're still referencing it. Or GTFO.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: That's different than what I saw from the guy yelling
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: back at McBride. McBride's in the rally. What? Why is
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: he doing that? I'm thinking, did McBride do something earlier
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: in the game? I don't know.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: You don't just randomly do that, right? Like that's, that's
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: kind of, the dude's crazy if he did it randomly.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Well, and these guys, the refs are typically look like,
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: like judges, you know, out on the field. They're so
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: composed and calm and they're just kind of like, Hey,
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: I got it. You know, there's someone's yelling at him
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: about it was offside. It's not false starting. I got it.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: And they turn their mic on and they do the
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: call and it's their delivery is pitch perfect. And they're
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: always very calm. So, It was different to see these
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: two guys react in the way they did and completely
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: lose control for a moment. And I think that the
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: suspensions are probably warranted.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: I guess I should phrase it like this. The refs
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: are more PG-13. The players and coaches are hard R,
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: rated R, when it comes to it. But it's not
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: unusual to hear it.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: But it's not.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: Just a cuss fest down there. All the players love
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: each other now. They're trading uniforms now. How many customers
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: were in Digger with Tom Cruise?
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Real quick, Hutton. Yeah, go ahead. Reacting to the audience here.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: Tennessee615 says, Ward fans are mad at Chad. That has
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: a nice ring to it. No, I just want to
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: see Chad call Cam Ward a punk to his face.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: Can you guys make that happen? The amount of people
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: that are just wishing physical harm on me, I said
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: he looked like an entitled punk in what he did. Now,
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: if I said that to his face, yes, he's a
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: 24-year-old professional athlete. He could probably kick my 44-year-old ass. Also,
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I need to stand up or
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: show people. I'm 6'3, 230 pounds. I'm not most reporters. Okay?
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: Hutton can vouch. I'm looking at the tail of the
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: tape right now. Cam Ward is 6'2, 219. Would he
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: kick my ass? Of course. He's in way better shape.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: He's way faster. He's stronger. He's a pro athlete and
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: a quarterback. Do I want to see him kick my ass? No.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: But this idea that like, let's see this little guy
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: just get whipped by Cam Ward and say it to
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: his face. I would be slightly looking down at him
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: if I said it to his face is my only
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: point on this.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: So let's get that part right. How dare you criticize
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: his height? How dare you?
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: And I would also say this. He's my height, essentially.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: I know, I know, but you're looking down on him.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: We're looking eye to eye. I think people have this
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: in their mind, like, I'm going to be, like, jumping
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: up at him, like, leaping to get to his face. Like,
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: you entitled punk. Come on. Come on. Hit me, man.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: Hit me. You're Bryce Young. Hit me, buddy. Hit me.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: Come on. Put your dudes up. I would also say this. Like,
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: you wouldn't say it to his face. Neither would the
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: people tweeting you.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: No.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: They wouldn't say it to your face either. No, of
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: course not. It'll be 100% they'll come up to me
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: and say they love the show. Yeah, which we appreciate.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: But also, stop wishing physical violence on people. You want
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: to get upset about the word punk being used and
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: call people racist and be that sensitive about everything, yet
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: you're going to be the same person who's like, I
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: hope you get killed. I hope that this person puts
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: you in the hospital. I hope this happens. Which is it, man?
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: Are you so soft that the word punk offends you
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: because you think there's racial overtones to it when there's not?
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: That's amazing. A white person, an Indian person, a black person,
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: a German, a Polish person, a Chinese person. Anybody can
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: be a punk. That is not a racially appropriated term
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: that's taken from something. I can be a punk. Hell,
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: I've been a punk many times in my life. You
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: can be a punk. CM Punk is white. He's a punk.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: You can be a punk. Anybody can. It's not a
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: racial term. If you're going to be that soft and
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: respond to things that way, while also wishing physical violence
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: on someone, let me tell you something. You are a punk.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: And DMAP on top of that. Chad, you and I
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: made it to IMAX. We have seen the new Tom
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: Cruise movie.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: Tom Cruise would have to jump to say something to
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: my face. He would. He would have to leap up
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: and yell it into my eyes to tell me something.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: Would Wanda Robinson look down on him or vice versa?
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure. Based on height. Close.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we can do tell and take there. Digger is
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: the new film from Tom Cruise. We will give you
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: our assessment of it, whether or not you should go
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: see it in the theater, and what we expect from
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: this performance of Cruise and everyone in the film. We
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: had a great time, nonetheless, in IMAX.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: We enjoyed it. Chad, when was the last time you
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: and I went to the movie? Was it Top Gun
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: or no? I can't remember. Um... I went to the theater.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: I can't remember if you and I were together. No,
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: we saw one battle after another. That's it. That's it. Together, yeah. Yeah.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: But every now and then we make it in with
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: the popcorn and the drink. In regards to this film,
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: this is what I remember. We review that next here
• 49:03
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