Latest / The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network / Josh Allen Tagged, What's Next in Free Agency? | Jaguars Happy Hour

Transcript

Josh Allen Tagged, What's Next in Free Agency? | Jaguars Happy Hour · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

• 0:02
  Speaker 1: It is Thursday, March seven. This is Jaguars Happy HOURUR.
• 0:11
  Speaker 1: Jaguars Happy HOURUR is brought to you by the Saint
• 0:13
  Speaker 1: John's River Water Management District and now the only guy
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: in Jacksonville who can tell you everything about the Jaguars.
• 0:22
  Speaker 1: And he then throwing a quote from Winston Churchill. Oh stop,
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: the honorable Brian Sexton.
• 0:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny. First of all, thank you, Joe. We
• 0:29
  Speaker 2: were just talking and I'm like, hey, you remember that
• 0:31
  Speaker 2: defensive back It took in two thousand and four third
• 0:34
  Speaker 2: round from Wisconsin, and I'm struggling to remember his name
• 0:37
  Speaker 2: off the top of my head. Part of that age,
• 0:39
  Speaker 2: part of that's running in six directions, And Jeff's like,
• 0:41
  Speaker 2: you mean Scotty starts. So in all honesty, Joe, when
• 0:46
  Speaker 2: you say that, you're really honoring my friend here. Jeff
• 0:48
  Speaker 2: b Locke went Brian Sexton in with you in place
• 0:50
  Speaker 2: of JP Shadrick. I hope all is well with you.
• 0:55
  Speaker 3: All is well. It's the off season. Free agency is
• 0:58
  Speaker 3: getting ready to start just around the corner, and the
• 1:01
  Speaker 3: Draft is not far away.
• 1:02
  Speaker 2: No, No, next week is a consequential week for this
• 1:04
  Speaker 2: franchise is consequential. The right word.
• 1:07
  Speaker 3: It's probably a little big for some people. Okay, find
• 1:10
  Speaker 3: another word. Important.
• 1:14
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I was gonna go important, transformational, I don't know.
• 1:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, listen, it's not bad in that sense, but
• 1:21
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, now this division is going to
• 1:23
  Speaker 2: be really competitive next year. You thought maybe you had
• 1:26
  Speaker 2: a chance to be at at the top of this
• 1:28
  Speaker 2: thing for a couple of years. Now you're going to fight.
• 1:30
  Speaker 2: So every move you make has to be designed to
• 1:34
  Speaker 2: be able to battle the Houston Texas.
• 1:36
  Speaker 3: I don't think there's any question about that, and the
• 1:39
  Speaker 3: emergence of C. J. Stroud has clearly made that the case.
• 1:44
  Speaker 3: Now the big question is does Tennessee have a quarterback?
• 1:48
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I think the jury is still out
• 1:50
  Speaker 3: on Levis the Indianapolis Colts. The jury is still going
• 1:54
  Speaker 3: to be out, you know. But clearly you have one
• 1:58
  Speaker 3: of the best, most excited any young quarterbacks that has
• 2:01
  Speaker 3: come out in a couple decades.
• 2:04
  Speaker 2: You were talking about him. First of all, that is
• 2:06
  Speaker 2: high praise because you're putting him now in Patrick Mahomes territory.
• 2:10
  Speaker 2: Not necessarily in terms of production yet, but when you
• 2:12
  Speaker 2: talk about exciting and excitement.
• 2:14
  Speaker 3: I remember Brian watching a college film, and everybody was
• 2:17
  Speaker 3: trying to make that debate, you know who should they take,
• 2:19
  Speaker 3: you know, the kid out of Alabama or the kid
• 2:21
  Speaker 3: out of Ohio State. I go back to the one
• 2:24
  Speaker 3: thing that I always watch a lot of, and that's film. Yeah,
• 2:27
  Speaker 3: the film doesn't lie, and that c J. Stroud made
• 2:30
  Speaker 3: effortless throws. He was big, he had the measurables, he
• 2:34
  Speaker 3: had performances in big games. I was like, I don't
• 2:37
  Speaker 3: know why people think the kid in Alabama, Bryce Young
• 2:40
  Speaker 3: is better than c J. Stroud. I don't see it.
• 2:44
  Speaker 3: But somebody in Carolina saw that and that that may
• 2:48
  Speaker 3: be one of the biggest misses maybe in NFL history maybe.
• 2:55
  Speaker 2: And it costs the coach's job, just.
• 2:58
  Speaker 3: May cost the owner a lot of respect and has
• 3:01
  Speaker 3: cost the owner a lot of respect around league circles.
• 3:03
  Speaker 3: And it causes them and lose is cool out of
• 3:06
  Speaker 3: game right.
• 3:06
  Speaker 2: Here in Jacksonville without it out so here, the Jaguars
• 3:08
  Speaker 2: are a year removed from looking like the long term
• 3:12
  Speaker 2: you know, lead dog in the AFC South sled. Oh,
• 3:15
  Speaker 2: slow down, my friend, and now all of a sudden
• 3:17
  Speaker 2: you've got a lot of work to do. Hey, By
• 3:18
  Speaker 2: the way, Jagwar's Happy Hours brought to you by the
• 3:20
  Speaker 2: Saint John's River Water Management District, Florida's water it's worth saving.
• 3:25
  Speaker 2: So next week, the legal tampering period begins, and I'd
• 3:29
  Speaker 2: love to get your thoughts on the term legal tampering
• 3:31
  Speaker 2: period already began, and then exactly and then Wednesday, the
• 3:34
  Speaker 2: new league year begins at four o'clock, so elaborate on
• 3:37
  Speaker 2: the thought that it's already begun.
• 3:39
  Speaker 3: Well, it's just funny because you know, if you move
• 3:41
  Speaker 3: a legal tamporary or you add a legal tampering period,
• 3:45
  Speaker 3: all you're essentially doing is saying, Okay, we know you're
• 3:48
  Speaker 3: gonna talk, so you can go ahead and talk this week.
• 3:50
  Speaker 3: But people are still illegally tamper. It happens all the time.
• 3:54
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't have anything specific or concrete evidence
• 3:57
  Speaker 3: of that.
• 3:58
  Speaker 2: I guess be real, they've always been doing it. I
• 4:00
  Speaker 2: mean agents and teams were talking, Brian, you're.
• 4:02
  Speaker 3: A general manager, I'm an agent, you know, and we're
• 4:04
  Speaker 3: talking about player that we have on the team.
• 4:06
  Speaker 2: Exactly, That's what happened.
• 4:07
  Speaker 3: We're going to have a conversation about that player because
• 4:10
  Speaker 3: we can do that, right. And then I'm gonna say, hey, Brian,
• 4:13
  Speaker 3: general manager, Brian, you know, hey, look I'm glad we
• 4:15
  Speaker 3: got the contract done for Joe and just remember, you know, hey, look,
• 4:19
  Speaker 3: and I've had a couple of people call already about
• 4:21
  Speaker 3: Bob and you know, just want to let you know that,
• 4:23
  Speaker 3: you know that if you're going to be in the mix.
• 4:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, I've had a couple numbers thrown out there,
• 4:27
  Speaker 3: and I mean, I don't know for real or not,
• 4:29
  Speaker 3: but I'm hearing right weak wink, I'm hearing. You know,
• 4:33
  Speaker 3: it's about you know, nineteen million a years.
• 4:35
  Speaker 2: It's it's nothing you can police. Cannot police private conversation.
• 4:39
  Speaker 3: You'll never be able to do that. And so I
• 4:42
  Speaker 3: kind of laugh at the legal tampering period term in
• 4:45
  Speaker 3: and of itself.
• 4:47
  Speaker 2: But on Monday, we're going to start hearing numbers. We're
• 4:49
  Speaker 2: gonna start hearing about guys who are committed to moving
• 4:52
  Speaker 2: and playing in this city or that city.
• 4:54
  Speaker 3: Well, and we're we're in the terms. We're in the
• 4:56
  Speaker 3: period though right now, to where everybody is down on
• 4:59
  Speaker 3: their football team in some way, shape or for okay,
• 5:02
  Speaker 3: people are down on the Jaguars right now because okay,
• 5:05
  Speaker 3: you said goodbye, uh to a safety. That was really good.
• 5:10
  Speaker 3: That was a hero in two big games, the Dallas
• 5:13
  Speaker 3: Cowboy game in a Tennessee game. And I got a
• 5:16
  Speaker 3: lot of.
• 5:16
  Speaker 2: Respect those by the way, Rayean Jenkins for Rayshawn because
• 5:20
  Speaker 2: two of the best plays defensive plays in franchise Easter.
• 5:24
  Speaker 3: No doubt well, two of the most exciting moments. But
• 5:27
  Speaker 3: here's the reality. People are like, ah, we cut ra
• 5:29
  Speaker 3: Sean Jenkins, We cut Fotakassi. How can we do that?
• 5:33
  Speaker 3: We cut Darius Williams. I'll get to Darius in a minute.
• 5:35
  Speaker 3: With Fota COSI you can't have three defensive tackles that
• 5:38
  Speaker 3: are making over ten million dollars a year. They can't
• 5:40
  Speaker 3: rush the passer, right, it doesn't work.
• 5:41
  Speaker 2: Oh you got to fix that one.
• 5:42
  Speaker 3: It doesn't work. So I mean that one. I totally
• 5:45
  Speaker 3: get right Darius Williams. I'm kind of confused on that one.
• 5:52
  Speaker 2: Okay, you thought, what do you have? Nineteen passes broken up,
• 5:55
  Speaker 2: four interceptions last year?
• 5:57
  Speaker 3: He had the big plays, had the best season of
• 5:59
  Speaker 3: a defensive back for the Jaguars last year. So I
• 6:02
  Speaker 3: get a little bit of that concern. He's thirty one
• 6:04
  Speaker 3: years old. Do you have a plan to replace somebody
• 6:06
  Speaker 3: of that caliber, Is he really your best defensive back? Well,
• 6:10
  Speaker 3: that's debatable because you have Tyson Campbell Rayshawn Jenkins to
• 6:15
  Speaker 3: totally understanding. You've got a young player at Antonio Johnson,
• 6:17
  Speaker 3: you got Andrew Winger, you got Daniel Thomas, one of
• 6:20
  Speaker 3: the strongest position groups that you have on the football team.
• 6:23
  Speaker 3: Totally understand the Rayshon Jenkins thing, and like, I wish
• 6:25
  Speaker 3: him the best. He's going to make some good money
• 6:27
  Speaker 3: for somebody else. And he's still got a good football player.
• 6:30
  Speaker 2: By the way, not just those two plays in twenty
• 6:32
  Speaker 2: twenty two. You had him for three years. When you
• 6:34
  Speaker 2: sign a free agent, you hope he works out for
• 6:36
  Speaker 2: one or two. If you get three years out of
• 6:38
  Speaker 2: a guy like that, yeah, yeah, you're doing something right.
• 6:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And here's the one common theme theme of the
• 6:44
  Speaker 3: guys that you've released. You've paid him big money in
• 6:48
  Speaker 3: free agency because you haven't been drafting good enough to
• 6:51
  Speaker 3: not have to go out and do that. So that's
• 6:54
  Speaker 3: the part that needs to change for this franchise going forward,
• 6:57
  Speaker 3: draft and develop instead of spending a lot of resources
• 7:01
  Speaker 3: in free agency.
• 7:02
  Speaker 2: So Darius Williams has gone. How much of that do
• 7:04
  Speaker 2: you suppose is Ryan Nielsen coming in and we keep
• 7:07
  Speaker 2: hearing that they play press.
• 7:08
  Speaker 3: I don't know, that's a great question.
• 7:10
  Speaker 2: He's an interior. I mean he played outside last year,
• 7:13
  Speaker 2: but before he came here, he was an inside corner, right.
• 7:16
  Speaker 3: You know. Look, you listened to what Doug Peterson and
• 7:19
  Speaker 3: Trent Balky said all along about Darius Williams that he's
• 7:22
  Speaker 3: better on the outside. He's better on the outside. Well,
• 7:24
  Speaker 3: he was for this football team. If they cut Darius
• 7:27
  Speaker 3: Williams after year one, I'd have been like, okay, right,
• 7:30
  Speaker 3: he didn't have a great year of the first year
• 7:32
  Speaker 3: to not last year was he was a top ten
• 7:36
  Speaker 3: corner in the National Football League. You look at for
• 7:39
  Speaker 3: Football Focus, their rating of him was extremely high for
• 7:43
  Speaker 3: the first three quarters of the season. Now he tailed
• 7:46
  Speaker 3: off a little bit at the end of the season,
• 7:48
  Speaker 3: but for the most part he was considered one of
• 7:50
  Speaker 3: the best, one of the better. I don't want to
• 7:53
  Speaker 3: say best, because a lot of people kind of okay,
• 7:55
  Speaker 3: what's your definition of best? How many is that one
• 7:57
  Speaker 3: of the better corners in the National Football League?
• 7:59
  Speaker 2: As I'm always hesitant to get too much into numbers
• 8:03
  Speaker 2: on a show that's primarily a radio show, and we
• 8:05
  Speaker 2: know folks are listening to ten ten XL right now,
• 8:09
  Speaker 2: But I do want to talk about a couple of
• 8:10
  Speaker 2: numbers and try to make it make sense. After the
• 8:12
  Speaker 2: Jaguars had their roster moves this week where they released
• 8:16
  Speaker 2: players Darius Williams and Rayshawn Jenkins, primarily, they got themselves
• 8:20
  Speaker 2: to a point where they are twenty million, almost twenty
• 8:23
  Speaker 2: one million dollars under the cap. Of course, that includes
• 8:26
  Speaker 2: the franchise tag on Josh Allen.
• 8:29
  Speaker 3: So you're still twenty million under with him.
• 8:31
  Speaker 2: With twenty four million, again.
• 8:33
  Speaker 3: What do you got to have for the draft class?
• 8:35
  Speaker 2: Fourteen fifteen million in that range because they have a
• 8:39
  Speaker 2: lot of fix so you don't have a lot of money. Now,
• 8:41
  Speaker 2: when you see that Darius Williams is gone and you
• 8:44
  Speaker 2: don't have a ton of money to go out there
• 8:46
  Speaker 2: and chase a premium position, you pretty much are pointing
• 8:49
  Speaker 2: to the draft and saying we're going to draft cornerbacks
• 8:53
  Speaker 2: this year who are going to be able to come
• 8:55
  Speaker 2: in and play the style of defense that Ryan Nielsen
• 8:58
  Speaker 2: wants to run.
• 8:58
  Speaker 3: Easier said than done.
• 9:00
  Speaker 2: Hard when you talk about press, it's hard.
• 9:02
  Speaker 3: To have a corner to come in and year one
• 9:05
  Speaker 3: and have them be an impact player. It just doesn't happen.
• 9:08
  Speaker 3: There's only so many Sauce Gardners, sure, or or Darrell
• 9:12
  Speaker 3: Reeves's that walk in on day one?
• 9:14
  Speaker 2: Did Jalen Ramsey do it on day one?
• 9:16
  Speaker 3: Here? Yeah? For the most party.
• 9:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's not many guys like in the Jaguars history,
• 9:21
  Speaker 2: they've had one guy do that.
• 9:22
  Speaker 3: Ye right, Yeah, It's just it doesn't happen very often.
• 9:25
  Speaker 3: I mean that's a position. I think that it takes
• 9:27
  Speaker 3: time and sometimes it takes some hard knocks to learn
• 9:30
  Speaker 3: some hard lessons.
• 9:32
  Speaker 2: So the Jaguars find themselves in a situation where now
• 9:35
  Speaker 2: they don't have a lot of cap room unless they
• 9:37
  Speaker 2: get a deal done with Josh Allen.
• 9:38
  Speaker 3: There you go, well, and to be critical a little
• 9:41
  Speaker 3: bit here.
• 9:42
  Speaker 2: Okay, when have you ever not been willing to be critical?
• 9:46
  Speaker 2: You never go for the guy?
• 9:49
  Speaker 3: Okay? For example, Ezra Cleveland, Yeah, I got signed before
• 9:53
  Speaker 3: the free agency period. You know why why didn't you
• 9:58
  Speaker 3: have that opportunity with Josh last year? You know, to
• 10:01
  Speaker 3: be able to sign him to a long term deal.
• 10:04
  Speaker 3: I mean, good player.
• 10:05
  Speaker 2: They wanted to prove it.
• 10:06
  Speaker 3: I want to say a great player, because I don't
• 10:08
  Speaker 3: know if he achieved the level of greatness at last
• 10:11
  Speaker 3: year's point. Right, good player, really good player, really good person,
• 10:18
  Speaker 3: draft pick okay, loves Jackson? Okay, So I think you've.
• 10:23
  Speaker 2: Missed off for years about signing your own guys.
• 10:25
  Speaker 3: And again in an environment that the salary cap you
• 10:31
  Speaker 3: knew was going to go up, Why would you not?
• 10:34
  Speaker 3: Why would you hesitate or delay trying to do a
• 10:38
  Speaker 3: long term deal with Josh up until now you know?
• 10:43
  Speaker 3: And then the one part that was a little bit
• 10:45
  Speaker 3: surprising when Trent Balky talked in in his postseason press conference,
• 10:49
  Speaker 3: he talked about the desire to sign Josh long term,
• 10:53
  Speaker 3: and Josh's agent agent came out and said, well, our
• 10:56
  Speaker 3: phone hasn't ranged yet. Now you got to be careful there,
• 11:00
  Speaker 3: because you know that phone line worked for the last
• 11:02
  Speaker 3: year and a half. How much does respect could have
• 11:05
  Speaker 3: been a lot less money too? Yeah?
• 11:07
  Speaker 2: How much is the perception of respect matter as a player?
• 11:10
  Speaker 3: Big? Big? I think that's that's h You know, players
• 11:14
  Speaker 3: want a lot of things, okay, but the two at
• 11:17
  Speaker 3: the top of the list are money in respect, okay,
• 11:19
  Speaker 3: And you got to be careful with those things. So
• 11:22
  Speaker 3: you want to make sure that it's that you're giving
• 11:24
  Speaker 3: them a healthy level of respect and also that the
• 11:28
  Speaker 3: pay is commasurate with what they believe their services provide.
• 11:32
  Speaker 2: A couple of thoughts. First, I remember last year Josh
• 11:35
  Speaker 2: had eight sacks in twenty twenty two. Yep, and just
• 11:39
  Speaker 2: whispers that you would hear. Well, is he a finisher?
• 11:41
  Speaker 2: He's always around the quarterback. Is he a finisher? And
• 11:44
  Speaker 2: I can remember sitting with him in Detroit this year
• 11:46
  Speaker 2: when we were there for that week before the preseason game,
• 11:49
  Speaker 2: and I said, what's your theme for the year? He
• 11:50
  Speaker 2: said finish, So clearly he had heard that term. Sure,
• 11:53
  Speaker 2: somebody said, hey, you got to finish. And this year
• 11:56
  Speaker 2: he finished in a big way. Great, I mean seventeen
• 11:58
  Speaker 2: and a half sacks. So when you look at the
• 12:00
  Speaker 2: numbers again, I wanted to go crazy with the numbers,
• 12:03
  Speaker 2: but in round terms, the top five edges are Nick
• 12:06
  Speaker 2: Bosa at thirty four million a year, TJ. Watt at
• 12:10
  Speaker 2: twenty eight.
• 12:10
  Speaker 3: Million, great eight years, great players.
• 12:13
  Speaker 2: Joey Bosa twenty seven million.
• 12:14
  Speaker 3: Yeas, and Joe And to be honest with you, Joey
• 12:16
  Speaker 3: Bosa has not, in my opinion, has not lived up
• 12:20
  Speaker 3: to that level because of the number of injuries that
• 12:22
  Speaker 3: he's had.
• 12:23
  Speaker 2: Miles Garrett is fourth with twenty five.
• 12:25
  Speaker 3: Million absolute monster.
• 12:28
  Speaker 2: And Montes Sweat just signed a new deal after being
• 12:31
  Speaker 2: traded from Washington to Chicago at just south of twenty
• 12:34
  Speaker 2: five million dollars.
• 12:36
  Speaker 3: So, if I'm Josh's agent, I mean, the conversation's beginning
• 12:41
  Speaker 3: at what's the what's the franchise number? Twenty four million, okay?
• 12:46
  Speaker 3: And what does it have to do in year two?
• 12:48
  Speaker 3: Franchise number?
• 12:49
  Speaker 2: Oh, it goes up like twenty percent.
• 12:51
  Speaker 3: You got to go by twenty percent, right, so your
• 12:53
  Speaker 3: top of your number from twenty.
• 12:54
  Speaker 2: Four I mean if you franchise him again next year,
• 12:56
  Speaker 2: you because I.
• 12:57
  Speaker 3: Mean as an agent, your conversation has to begin with
• 13:00
  Speaker 3: guaranteed money of franchise tags and consecutives year.
• 13:04
  Speaker 2: They make it painful for teams to do it twice. Yes,
• 13:07
  Speaker 2: it is a prohibitive number.
• 13:09
  Speaker 3: Yes, And so I mean, if I'm Josh's agent, I
• 13:11
  Speaker 3: mean a conversation has to begin at twenty five million
• 13:16
  Speaker 3: this year or a year.
• 13:18
  Speaker 2: The salary cap went up an unprecedented.
• 13:20
  Speaker 3: Guaranteed money of fifty five six in the first two
• 13:25
  Speaker 3: years alone.
• 13:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, you're talking incredible, And what it is the
• 13:30
  Speaker 2: salary cap went from what they thought it would be.
• 13:32
  Speaker 2: You know, two thirty. It was two thirty. This year
• 13:34
  Speaker 2: it jumped to two fifty five. I mean rough.
• 13:36
  Speaker 3: Numbers here, Joe.
• 13:37
  Speaker 2: It was they didn't anticipate it being that big. Well,
• 13:40
  Speaker 2: next year is supposed to be the year that it
• 13:41
  Speaker 2: takes a huge leap with the gambling money and the
• 13:44
  Speaker 2: brand new TV money. The TV contract was extended and
• 13:47
  Speaker 2: so next year is when more TV money kicks in.
• 13:50
  Speaker 2: So if you're Josh Allen, you're wanting to make sure
• 13:53
  Speaker 2: that in the second year of your deal, you're not
• 13:55
  Speaker 2: falling behind too far from the highest paid players in
• 13:58
  Speaker 2: the league.
• 13:58
  Speaker 3: I think as a player, I'm not worried necessarily about
• 14:01
  Speaker 3: falling behind. You're gonna you know that you're gonna fall behind. Okay,
• 14:05
  Speaker 3: it's happened forever. Guys always fall behind. But you want
• 14:09
  Speaker 3: to put yourself somewhere around the top because your numbers
• 14:12
  Speaker 3: have been comparable to the guys that we just add
• 14:14
  Speaker 3: right and looked at on that list. So you want
• 14:16
  Speaker 3: to have those numbers that are around that range. So
• 14:19
  Speaker 3: the Jaguars are I think in a tight spot. They
• 14:22
  Speaker 3: might down the hallway. They might not see it this
• 14:24
  Speaker 3: way but you've got Josh Allen who basically is holding
• 14:27
  Speaker 3: you hostage. If you want that cap room to improve
• 14:29
  Speaker 3: your roster and free agency in any way, shape or form,
• 14:33
  Speaker 3: you need to get a deal done. What does Brandon
• 14:36
  Speaker 3: Sheriff represent cap savings just under ten million? Yeah, I
• 14:40
  Speaker 3: mean that's a it's been rumored. I don't know if
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: there's any truth to that.
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: Well, let's throw it because we've got this number.
• 14:46
  Speaker 3: Here.
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: Here are the top five cap savings. Jeff cam Robinson
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: would get you sixteen million, Darius Williams saves you eleven
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: to five. Brandon Sheriff would save you nine million dollars.
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: I'm not getting rid of one of my offensive line, okay,
• 14:59
  Speaker 3: because that's a that's been an area of concern. So
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: just just letting you know.
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: So, so both of those guys are here as far
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: as you're concerned.
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: Sheriff, I mean I can find a guard okay, tackles
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: a different story.
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: Foyer A Luikan would save you seven million, three hundred thousand.
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: That's the next the after ray Seon Jenkins saved five
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: to four.
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: Those are the significant savings that are available to you
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: by releasing players. They structure if you want.
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: I think the arguably the plan was a low Kue Foyer.
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: We let's draft a guy replace him, and then Trump
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: that has an achilles issue, hasn't been able to stay
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: healthy for a number of years, even at University of Florida,
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: and also the performance of Foyer Luacan, You're not going
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: to be able to cut him right now. He's too good.
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: Just you're not gonna let him go.
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: Well, you drafted Cooper Hodges ostensibly to be a guard.
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: Where's he's at? Where is he at from a health standpoint?
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: Don't know. We didn't see him after he injured. I
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: don't know Dallas in the pres he had.
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: The knee thing, pateller issue or of some kind.
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: But I guess the point is is if you you
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: got to get a deal done with Josh, because if
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: you don't and you want money, you have to start
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: digging in here with players that offer you savings.
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: Well, at what point do you start? The beginning of
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: this conversation also has to begin with Okay, in the
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: back of your mind, we have to pay the quarterback
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: here pretty soon too.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And that probably has had undue influence on it.
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: So the question is, is you know after this past year.
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: If if you had to, let's say, put a number
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: great on Trevor's season one to ten, give me a
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: number six? Seven?
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, listen, the guy played.
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: Okay, what about what you want to compared to what
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: you want to see? Right?
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: Six or yeah? When you look at the injuries, you
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: have to knock his season back because of all the turnovers,
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: no doubt. But with his potential, you still think it's
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: an eight or.
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: Nine absolutely right. Okay, So here's a question that I ask. Okay,
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: Josh had how many sacks in twenty twenty two? Right? Eight? Okay,
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: that number that you could have had with him from
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: a contract standpoint, Okay, do you start that contract with
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence and hopefully that you can get that contract
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: based on a six or seven.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: I have a big thought on that, But we got
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: to go to a break. When we come back, let's
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: talk a little bit about Calvin Ridley in the wide
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: receiver number. Yeah, just get your thoughts there. This is
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: jack hot topic. It is a hot topic. This is
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: Jagg's Happy Hour. Brian Sexton filling in today for JP
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: Shadrick and JAG's Happy Hours, brought to you by the
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: Saint John's River Water Management District, Florida's water. It's worth
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: saving and we're back after this.
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of players that are in this free agency.
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: There's another bunch of young guys that were working on
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: potential extensions for So we've got a lot of balls
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: in the air right now and we're just gonna try
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: to play them one by one.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: Welcome back. Jack's happy our Brian Sexton in for JP Shaderick,
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: sitting with Jeff Logerman here in the Miller Electric Center,
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: general manager, alluded that he has a lot of balls
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: in the air, and he certainly does. The biggest is
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: we talked about before we went to the break was
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: Josh Allen, because that's twenty four million dollars locked up
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: in a franchise tag and you'd like to have a
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: long term deal that would bring his number down to what,
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: you know, four or five million dollars.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right, that range, Yeah, give you.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: Lots of flexibility. Yeah, you know, when you look at
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: the salary cap, you see they have about twenty one
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: million dollars in cap room, and you can do a
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: lot of very clever and creative things so that you
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: get guys in the first year of their deal at
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: a number that works, it means you to push money out,
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: and Trent has been loath to do that. He has
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: always been very proud of the fact that this was
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: one of the teams that had the lowest amount of
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: money pushed into foward years. You have a fiscal like
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: to take care of the salary cap and keep them
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: in a good position.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: Which which, by the way, give him credit for doing that,
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: because a lot of the general managers are in for
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: the now.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: I think that I think Howie Roseman had three hundred
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: million dollars pushed out.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so give them credit for being responsible for the
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: future of this franchise.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: Well, and you have to think about it, as we
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: talked about with the quarterback coming up next year. When
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: you have a quarterback that is eating up ten, twelve,
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: fourteen percent of your salary cap, which is what quarterbacks
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: do now, you have to push money out. You got
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: no choice. You don't have enough money and you have
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: a lot of players.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: You got a choice. You can draft better.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yea yeah, right.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: Contract solves everything, right, but it makes it really difficult.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: That's why the ability to draft well is so important.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: And I've said this for years. It's the lifeblood of
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: any franchise because if you draft well, it's a it's
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: a self fulfilling thing because one, you're getting good players.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: Number two, if all of a sudden they leave, then
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: you're getting more draft pick compensation for players.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: Yes, the Ravens have under Ozzie Newsome, and then afterward
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: the costume they have found doing this, They harvest compensatory
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: picks for the players they lose and they replace them
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: with guys, which is what you're hope.
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: The same thing with your coaching staff. You bring in
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: good people and they get hired somewhere else because you're
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: having success. See the San Francisco forty nine ers. You're
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: getting draft picked compensation for developing coaches.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Well, and you better have a good coaching staff. They
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: have a lot of young players that need to be
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: developed to step into roles here and fill some of those.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: As this quarterback starts to rise, these draft picks become
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: they become jars on the shelf, as an old colleague
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: of ours used to refer to, and better have them.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: I hope that some of last year's draft picks do
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: more this year than they did last year. Well, just
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: from year one and again trying to create a draft
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: class after one year. Is it's crazy stupid to do that.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: You always thought, So a three year process, I was
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: gonna say, you always thought because they kept the whole
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: band and brought it back together from twenty twenty two,
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: those young guys were gonna have a hard time breaking in.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: But now you need to see Breton Strange and Tank
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: big Speed.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: You need to.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: See a lot of these guys step into.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: And all have a role, right so they might have
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: a significantly better.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: Role hopefully this football you get guy like Cooper Hodges
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: who steps in and pushes Brandon Sheriff.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: To bring in some competition to that offensive line of
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: group that needs an infusion at competition at right guard,
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: and you need competition at center, all right.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: So we established at the start of the show that
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: the Jaguars are hamstrung somewhat with having Josh Allen on
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: the franchise tag. So there's there's I don't want to
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: say immediacy, but boy tell you what, if you had
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: had your eyes on anybody in free agency, because we
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: know how expensive that is, you're not playing in the
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: early days. I don't think unless you get something done.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: Unless I'd be surprised.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would be too. I would be too, just
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: because you don't have a lot of room and you
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: need to make sure that you've got room for your
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: draft picks. Although the argument against that is you don't
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: need that room until you sign them, which is until July.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: So you could kind of gamble a little bit that
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: you were going to get a long term deal with
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Josh and spend some of that money next week if
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: you wanted. To a lot of people, but that doesn't
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: seem like transamo.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: Well, a lot of people are the opinion that have
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: you gotten Josh done, then you could have allocated the
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: tag or used some of these additional resources to sign
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: Calvin Ridds.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's go there. Let's go there.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: That's been the topic all week. I'm hearing it.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Can I can I throw out real quick? Let's look,
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: we don't know, We're obviously not in the negotiations. We
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: don't know what he's asking for. But you talk Josh, no, Ridley,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: we don't. Yeah, So look, we talked to people around
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: the league and you kind of get a sense of
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: where guys fit.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: What is the franchise tag number for wide receiver?
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: About twenty one million. Right, But listen here, look, because.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: Some people were saying you should have had Josh signed
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: a long term deal and then you could have tagged Ridley.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: If I agree with the first part, Let's let's get
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: Josh signed to a long term deal. Would have been
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: great if you had it done a year ago or
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: a year and a half ago.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Well, let's just put it down where it is right now,
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: year and a half sacks, he's got all the leverage.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: I'm still not using the tackle on Ridley and that's
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: just me.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Okay, And here's why ready, Here are the top five
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: wide receiver salaries as of today. Tyreek kill thirty million
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: dollars worth every penny. Devonte Adams is a twenty eight million,
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: really good player. Cooper Cup comes into twenty six million,
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: seven hundred thousand. Now, Mike Evans slides in here at
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: four right, so he's not on the graphic. Mike Evans
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: comes in a new wheel twenty six million, and then
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: aj Brown would be the fifth at twenty five million.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: DK Metcalf slides the sixth next year at twenty four million.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: So my question is would you want to pay Calvin
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Ridley based one thousand yards and eight touchdowns and every
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: play that you watched last year. Would you want him
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: in this stratosphere of high paid receivers because someone's gonna
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: pay him that?
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: Absolutely?
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: Not.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: No, No, how about twenty one million, which is the
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: no okay.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: No, that's that's not where I'm I'm willing to go.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: That's the franchise tag.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not willing to go that. I'm just not
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: he's to me, He's not it. He doesn't belong in
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: the conversation with the list of those guys and Mike Evans.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Right, does he know you're talking about the best receivers
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: in football? The guy the clutch got Calvin Ridley's not there. No,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: not from the number stand. Do you think he might
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: get there this year based on what you saw in
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: the training camp field, because remember everyone was up in
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: on look at this guy. He's gonna he's gonna revolutionize
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: Doug's offense. No, you didn't see that.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: No. The reason why is because Doug Peterson's offense believes
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: and spreading the ball around and with a guy like
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: Christian Kirkins, A Jones and Evan Ingram, who are trusted,
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: trusted receivers by Trevor. I didn't think that that would happen.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: I thought that he would have a chance at getting
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: a thousand yards. Well, it took injuries on Christian Kirk's
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: part and Zay Jones part for him to get to
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: one thousand yards. Let's not forget that the first part
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: of the season there were moments like did Calvin Ridley
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: play today? You know, it seemed like a lack of
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: trust between quarterback and wide receiver. You can't forget that.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: That's it because a lot of the numbers that was
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: generated with Calvin Ridley was when Christian was out, Zay
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: was out, and the only guys on the field that
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: Trevor could really throw the ball to were to him
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: and to eva.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Nobody in this town outside of people in this building
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: watch as much tape as you did. When you watched
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: the tape, did you see a player who was working
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: his way back after a year and a half out
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: of football, improving every week, or did you see a
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: guy who looked like, well, maybe this is what he's
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: going to be.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: I saw a guy that was working extremely hard. I
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: give him a lot of credit because Calvin Ridley's got
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: a work ethic that's just impeccable, but there just wasn't
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: enough trust between quarterback and wide receivers. Some of it
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: was on Calvin Ridley, some of it was on Trevor
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: and that Calvin at times I think early in the
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: year showed that he wasn't trustworthy and then because I
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: mean those things it takes time to build that it does,
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: right yep. Well, then later in this season he became trustworthy,
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: but then Trevor wasn't trusting him.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, saw that, you know what I mean. So it
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: was a little bit on both so that there's a
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: disjointed communication between both.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: Could that end up being a seamless, great working relationship
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: where there's trust and everything like a Christian has with Trevor?
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: Sure it could be there right now.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: I know you said earlier that there's conversation about it.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: If you had a deal done with Josh, then you
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: could use the tag with Ridley. I didn't just me
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: having done this thirty years, I didn't get the sense
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: that there was a sense of great urgency to get
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: the Ridley deal done, Which leads me to this. If
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: I'm a guy who is looking at signing Calvin Ridley
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: a receiver, needy team. And I can look really hard
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: at his big years in Atlanta where he was super
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: productive and very tantalizing for the Jaguars to make the
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: trade right a year in advance to get the deal done.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: But I got to ask myself, if he's that good
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: and if he's worth that much money, why are the
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Jaguars letting him walk?
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: Why the Falcons let him?
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Oh see, I think you got to ask these questions
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: when you look at the process of thinking your way through,
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: not just emotionally reacting. You know, that's a great player.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: We need great players. But when you think about what
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: Calvin did this year, what the Jaguars invested a third
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: round pick this year's draft, a fifth round pick last year, right,
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: and what is the status?
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: So it moves to a two if there's a long term, if.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: They know if they sign him before next Wednesday at
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: four o'clock in the twenty twenty three league years.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: Then it becomes the two two. I'm not doing that
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: anything after that it's a three.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: Then it's a three, and the Jaguars could certainly jump in,
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: and maybe they will. But if you're a Calvin and
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: you get free, you're going to go explore the marketplace.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: I will imagine you couldn't help. And t Higgins got
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: the franchise tag, you know, he's off the market. The
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: big receivers who people might have wanted to jump in
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: and go chase, they're not there. So Calvin Ridley, if
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: he hits the free agent market, which everyone expects him
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: to do, is likely to get an offer that you
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: won't want to pay.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: Willie though I don't know.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, what's the number you'd want him back at?
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Where do you feel like and I'm asking you to
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: be a k.
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: What's Christian? What's Christian average? All right?
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Christians cap hit ballpark?
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: His cap hits like twenty it's four, which is high.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: But his average here's his cash average.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: Cash average over the course of his deal.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: He was twenty four twenty nineteen eighteen. So this year
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: next he is nineteen and eighteen.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: So you're looking at like twenty twenty one average, twenty
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: one average.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll say that right about the franchise number.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: Okay, about the franchise number. Is he at that level
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: for this team and this quarterback? No?
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: So he know his numbers were a little better this
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: year than Christians were last year when he played a
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: full season. But Christians are different. He's a different receiver
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: all together, isn't he. I mean, I just you can
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: look and say he had the same amount of touchdown
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: because Christian.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: I'm not willing to have two twenty million dollars, two
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: twenty million dollar wide receivers on my football team, and
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: I'm not willing to have those resources allocated to that.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: Not when I have an offensive line that I need
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: to address. We're going in there, and not when I
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: have an interior of my defensive line that I need
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: to address.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: All right, So Josh Allen's on the franchise tag and
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Calvin Ridley looks like he's going to hit the free
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: agent market. Do you think there's okay intrigue?
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Makes it so it's okay if you have a
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: player that you want to keep then and he goes
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: to hit the market, that's okay.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: Well, the Jaggers are going to find out what the
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: market is and maybe they've got a plan, right, it's
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: not here in our studio.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: The plan is that you'd like to have them back.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: They do have a plan, no doubt they have a
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: plan for this.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: But again, I'm not the right one to put that
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: number right or that to have that type of commitment.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: Has anyone ever called you frugal in your life? Yes?
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: Why people have used other words too cheap.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: That wouldn't be taro, would it?
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: No? No?
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: No, all right, folks, you are listening to Jags Happy
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: Hour Brian Sexton along with Jeff Loghman. I'm filling in
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: for JP Shadwick and having fun doing it. The Jaguars,
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: by the way, celebrating their thirtieth season. Can you believe
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: we're going to thirty bugs? Get your twenty twenty four
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: season ticket membership right now, be at the bank for
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: every touchdown and secure your seats by going to Jaguars
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: dot com slash tickets, or you can always call them
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: the old antiquated phone call right nine oh four six
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: three three two thousand. Call them today. When we come back,
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: we'll talk about the offensive line. This is Jaguars Happy Hour.
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: Put our players in position to be successful. Give them
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: an opportunity. And that falls on us as coaches through
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: through game planning and scheming and not having too much.
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: Just have the right amount of plays to execute and
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: then and then in turn that falls back onto the player.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: Right the player has to.
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: Go out and play and use his God given ability
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: to go.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: Execute the play.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: As Doug Peterson to the Combine last week talking about
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: the offensive lines, suggesting and noble will him to do
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: that that you can blame the players. They've got to
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: go and execute, but at some point the coaches have
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: to do a better job. That's he and Phil Rauscher
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: and Press Taylor of creating scheme. Is that what he's
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: talking about.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: I mean, look, you got to be committed to the
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: run a little bit more, and you got to put
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: your offensive lineman down in three point stances and come
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: off the ball a little bit too to help them out.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: All right, So let's talk about the offensive line. Ezra
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Cleveland re signed. He's nine million a year.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: He's their best interior offensive lineman right now, Okay, And
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: I think that was critical in getting him back because
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: you have an aging right guard who has a high
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: cap number cap number. You have a center that, in
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: my opinion, you need to have competition there. If he
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: plays at the level that he was at last year,
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: then he needs to be replaced. I'm not saying that
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: he can't get better, because anybody can get better, but
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: last year's level is not acceptable.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: So basically, what you've got with the offensive line is
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: you've got three tackles. You've got Cam Robinson, right, Walker
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: Little and Anton Harrison. And maybe the best of those
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: is Anton Harrison the.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: Best feat But I think each one has something that
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: they bring to the table. I think Cam has a
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: great leadership about him, and he's he's really good for
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: the rooms. When I say rooms, that's plural, because he's
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: good for the offensive room, he's good for the team room.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: He's good for the offensive line. Tough guy, yes, guy
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: who plays. And again, I'm going to say this, and
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: I've been saying this about Cam for years. He probably
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: doesn't like it when I say it, but I believe
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: he would be the best right tackle in football. And
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: I think that's the natural spot for him.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: My goodness, who wouldn't like to be told you be
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: the best tackle in football, even if it's on the rights.
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: Look, I was going to say, last time I checked,
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: I think there was a guy that left here that
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: got paid how much a year to play right tackle
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: for the Super Bowl champs?
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: What did you want to go? Twenty million a year?
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: Twenty million a year.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: It's slide him over now, Antony Harrison goes to the
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: left side.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: He's got feet, He's got feet to play left tackle,
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: and it's natural. He has a god given ability to dance.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Are you going to ask Walker Little to play inside
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: or just be the swing take?
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: You can swing? Okay, you can swing, and you let
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: him compete. You know, look, if let him compete anywhere.
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: You know, if you want to compete a tackle, compete
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: a tackle. You want to compete at guard, compete at guard. Okay,
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: show us you're one of the best five.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: So look, you're sitting at seventeen and all of a sudden,
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: you know you've got a hole at cornerback with Darius
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Williams on the street. So people are pointing and they're saying, hey,
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: look we need a corner and there will be.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: I hate being in that position too. There are a
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: couple I've always I've always been a believer that you
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: never want to go in the feeling like that you
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: have to address a position in the draft because you
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: have a hole.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: Can bust your brown be a starter for you? He
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: at times last year he played pretty well. The game
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: in New Orleans stands out to.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: Me, did okay?
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: Okay?
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: Did okay? Do I have confidence that he can handle it.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: It's not like you say he's ready. No, it's time
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: for Darius to go. Because Brown is ready to go.
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: I would have confidence that he can come in and
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: compete for a role. Okay, I don't have the confidence
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: that he can come in and be my starter. Now.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: We also just got done talking about Calvin Ridley and
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: the likelihood that he will be playing elsewhere next year
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: if he hits the market and gets a big number.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: Not for sure, the Jaguars could certainly bring him back. However,
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: there are receivers who will fit at seventeen.
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: You That's why I like to have all the holes
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: kind of filled, and then you can take the best player.
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: I want to take the best player.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: See and I I've been saying this on our show
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: in Jack's am.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: BAP, Well, best available player.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: And the best available player at seventeen is really likely
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: to be an offensive line could be. There are more
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: offensive linemen with first round grades from what I'm hearing
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: and seeing than nearly any moment in my thirty years.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: Is an investment in somebody that's going to protect your
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: quarterback is never a bad thing.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: That's it. You're never a back is coming off a
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: season in which the need.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: But is it busy the best player? I mean, if look,
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: if I've got.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: A corner, but your looks like there's some that are there.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: That is a top ten talent and I'm able to
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: get him at seventeen because of the overdrafting of quarterbacks,
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: then I'm going to consider that. That's why you have
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: to go into the draft with a kind of an
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: open book. Positions don't matter, give me the best player.
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: But again, positions matter from the standpoint of is there
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: is there value? You're not kind of draft the full
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: back at seventeen, So I mean, positions matter.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: But we also saw the general manager last year backing
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: up because if the player doesn't fit the spot, right,
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: you keep backing into a position where you get your
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: play and value for your position.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: Right. So what was it he backed up on. Was
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: it Antonio Johnson last year that he traded back and
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: then then.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: Well Anton Harrison he traded back in the first round
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: and picked up extra picks.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: Right, But there was another later in the draft. He
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: moved back a bunch of times.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: The third round pick. He was trying to back up
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: on Tank Bigsby, Right, they were trying to back up,
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: and you did.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: A great job of backing up and getting some good picks.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: And I still believe in Tank Biggsby, but.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: I do know I do too. By the way, a
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: lot of people are hammering all the number of picks.
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: But remember when we love Anton Harrison.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Anton Harrison is that? So you don't know where
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: Trent's going to go, and he's certainly not going to
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: tell us. But if you're sitting at seventeen and you
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: don't like what's there, you can move up, you can
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: move back, and he's been willing to trade and move around.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: It's just you have a couple of holes that you
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: want to fill, and you can say, look, we've got
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: a plenty offensive linemen and Luke Wartner's going to be
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: better personally. And I've said this, I don't believe it.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: I just don't. On the most important play of the
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: season last year.
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: Never assume anything. Never, Okay, So I'm not gonna assume
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: he's not going to be better, and then I'm not
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: going to assume that he's going to be better.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: Well, I think, but what I am going to the
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: spot last year, You've got to be better, no matter
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: who what.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: I am going to assume is that that position needs competition.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: In the center from Oregon might sit there, but I look,
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: it's too early. We've got weeks and weeks to go
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: to get there. It's just you can't stand pat on
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: the offensive line when you have a six foot six
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: quarterback that you want to protect. He's not Lamar Jackson.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: He can run.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: How many injuries did he have last years? Significant amount
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: of time? I mean, that's that's got a you know,
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: and part of that's on him, yeah, you know, that's
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: offensive line. Part of that's also on the knee with
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: coaching staff. Okay, when he gets nicked up a little bit, Okay,
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: let's rely on the run a little bit. Let's let
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: our offensive line come off in a three point stance,
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: and let's let's kind of have an offense that takes
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: a little bit of pressure off of that position.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: So do you think you could stand pat on the
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: offensive line and with scheme create a better and more
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: cohesive unit, maybe moving some guys around, like you suggested,
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: Harris into the left side, Cam Robbinson to the right side,
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: Cooper Hodges his competition with Brandon Sheriff, and and maybe
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: you find somebody to compete with Luke Forardner. Can you
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: just do a little here and a little there, but
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: the scheme changes and the coaches responsibility changes and it
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: gets better.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: Well, and it's not complete scheme change. It's a little
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: change here. It's just like you said, a little change
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: with the tweak of the lineup, A little change with
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: maybe a tweak of what you're doing, a commitment to
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: the scheme, a commitment to maybe three point coming off
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: the ball a little bit. You know, how many times
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: do we see this offensive line get down on a
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: three point stance and come off the ball? Last year
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: when Trevor was coming back from an injury, it didn't
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: happen very oft time, you know, I mean, it just
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: didn't happen.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, look at I don't Phil Roscher has a
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: good reputation at the offensive line.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: Phil Ross is a good football code. Doug Peterson's a
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: great coach. So I don't want to say Chris Taylor's
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: a great coach that they can't stand Pat. And I agree.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: I don't want to say they can't stand Pat and
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: coach them better, get them stronger with said Scott that
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: in that training room. But I don't have a lot
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: of faith in the center position, and I think that
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: was a weak spot all year long last year. And
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: if it was me and I was the coach, I
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: would be pounding my fist on the table, saying, you've
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: got to give me someone to compete with him in
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: the middle of that line, because we've got to And well,
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: what did the general managers say out here? He said,
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: we've got to be more physical?
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: Well, and look, the one thing that I do like
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: about Luke Fortner is that he has mobility.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Man, He's wicked smart. We know that smart.
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: He's got mobility. He's there's not very many centers that
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: can snap a ball and shotgun and then get out
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: in front on a run of the outside. He can
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: do that. But he's gotta be more physical and can
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: he get better? Again, I'm not going to assume that
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: he can't get better. I'm gonna assume that I need competition.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: And see, that's why you're the calming voice on Jaguars.
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: I don't know about calling the wall.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: You call me down little. I've been fired up about
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: the center position because on the first called running play
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: of the season ten twenty five to play, first quarter Indianapolis,
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Week one, last year, second possession Grover Stewart, and Grover
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: is a really big man and a good player, pushed
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: him backwards and Trevor Or Trevor Traves etn had to
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: worm his way to get back to the line of
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: scrimmage and the last called running play of the season,
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: fourth and goal from the one in Tennessee, and he
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: was thrown backwards and everything in between just didn't feel
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: you just put it this way, No, I was a
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: team that struggled to run the ball when it wanted
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: to run the ball well.
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: And that there's definitely there's definitely got to be a
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: little bit of tweak going on with that offense this year,
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: and I think that that's going to happen. And I'm
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: a big fan of Press Taylor. I think he's one
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: of the brightest offensive mines in football. But you know,
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: when you finally have the rain, sometimes you can learn
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: a lot sure, and I think he's going to learn
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: a lot from this past year as well. Doug Peterson
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: will as well, This organization.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: Will some of the most insightful conversations. Well, yeah, there's
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: there's a little bit more pressure this year on that
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: some of those insightful conversations I've had with offensive coaches
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: over thirty years.
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: He's right there at the top Press. Yeah, Oh, he's brilliant.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: And he and Doug are of one mind. I mean
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: they know exactly what they finish each other's sentences. That
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: they were in the same room, I'm sure they do. Yeah,
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: they don't think I've ever been in the same room
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: with both of them.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: I enjoy I enjoy talking to Press. I enjoy talking
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: to Doug about offense because that's never been my thing.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: I'm kind of a I'm just I'm a nubie to it.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: Okay, you know what I mean, You're not really well,
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: It still kind of a newbie to it. And so
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: I always always love to see the game through their
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: eyes because I always look at it from a different
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: set of eyes. And the way that they see the game,
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: I think is really unique and special, and I wish
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: a lot of fans could experience that and have the
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: ability whether it's VR glasses or VR in their mind
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: or whatever it is, it's it's it's you know, it's
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: it's special. You know.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: He gets a lot of obviously heat and there's people
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: who are listening to this right now, going, oh, stop
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: talking about Press Taylor. They should have fired him. I mean,
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: you know, you hear it right. The reality of it
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: to me is is that this is a guy I
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: asked him. He's just walking off the field. They say,
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: does that bother you? And he goes Bryant, he goes,
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: I coached in Philly. I can handle it, right. He
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: understands it. He's been around the game a long TERIM
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: YEA have.
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: But make no mistake about it. You always hear it.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you always hear it. You hear's the nature of
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: the being.
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: You're humans.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: What do would talk about when we come back?
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: We can go a lot of places, but I can
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: tell you one of the places that I'm excited about, yeah,
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: for this football team is what are they going to do?
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: Defensive tackle?
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about that. More to come. Jaggs Happy
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: Hour almost aid. Jack's am brought to you by the
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: Saint John's River Water Management District. One segment left here
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: on ten ten XL and of course all the JAG
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: social media channels back right up to this all right
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: about eight minutes left here in Jack's Happy Hour. Brian
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: sextonian for Jeff Logoman, a parting not for Jeff Logoman
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: with Jeff Logan, for JP Shadwrick, who is out this week. Well,
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: you teased it before we went to the break. You
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: are interested in defensive tackle, which there are a couple
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: of them in the first round that could be right
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: there at seventeen week.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and this was the point in time of year
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: that I start to watch film on some of these prospects.
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: Over the next couple of weeks, be able to do
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: some of that. But the free agent mark is also
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: an area that's going to be interesting. I can't wait
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: to see what Christian Wilkins is gonna make in free agency,
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: the town defensive tackle for buymy Dolphins.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: Why you talk, Let me look up and see what
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: the top defensive tackles make, because I mean, he's a
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: guy who has really come on strong.
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: It's amazing that that they did not get a long
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: term deal with him. They didn't put a tag on him.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: He's an excellent football player. Clemson guy, right, he.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: Is Clemson guy. He and Trevor were together Trevor's freshman
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: year when they won the national championship, and Trevor talked about.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: It, he might get arguably might get the most money
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: of a defensive player in free agency this year.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: So here are the top five defensive tackle base base.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: Justin Medabik in Baltimore has the franchise tag. He's at
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: twenty two million, so he is right now the highest
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: paid defensive tackle in football.
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: Did he sign a contract?
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: Well no, but that's the tag. Okay, that's the tag
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: number right. DeForest Buckner is next to twenty million. Jeffrey Simmons,
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: who I think is killer player in Tennessee. Yeah, when
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: he's healthy, sixteen to five.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: He was hurt last year.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was playing with the bad ankle. Dexter Lawrence
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: sixteen million.
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: Where's Aaron Donald?
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: Kenny Clark is at fifteen to five? This is oh
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: Aaron Donald twelve ten million.
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: No, that can't be.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: No, I'm looking at it, canvy right, look at it?
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: Where's that from?
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: This is I use spot track, the salary service. Yeah,
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: they're as good as anybody. And it's the NFL Salary
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: Rankings by Position twenty twenty four Defensive tackle base.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: Base I got you. But the I think Aaron Donald
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: is like over thirty a year. Addlets like this, he's
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: an average. Aaron Donald is top of the list.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: Number one when you do cash ranking, there you go, okay,
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: thirty five.
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: He's a thirty five million a year. Yeah.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: Then Matta bk comes into twenty two as number two,
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: exactly right, Uh, DeForest Buckner is twenty million two and
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: fifty Dexter Lawrence is seventeen to five.
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: Well because he just got a contract last year.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: But he and and Wilkins were the same genre, same group,
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: same same class. And then Kenny Clark and Jeffrey Simmons
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: are tied for the fifth at seventeen thirty five?
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: Is what Aaron?
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: Aaron Donald's thirty five million in cash?
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: Right, It's amazing.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: So I mean, let me treat a couple of names,
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: and you tell me where where you think.
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: If Aaron Donald were in free agency, unfettered free agency, Okay,
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: and let's go back, let's say three years ago, okay,
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: to get him when he was still considered a young
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: man in his prime. And I mean some people might
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: now say, even though he's an elite player still some
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: people might now say, well, you know, he's on the
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: down slope. But let's say three four years ago, if
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: he went to free agency, what do you think he
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: could make in today's cap.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: He'd be paid like a quarterback, wouldn't he forty million?
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: Forty yeah, forty million. I mean, that's that's what they're
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: talking about with Kirk Cousins potentially going to Atlanta, right,
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: a deal that averages.
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: About forty Would you pay forty million? Oh no?
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: But would I pay her in Donald Yeah? Yeah, right,
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: he's money. Here's some of the names real quick, just
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: listen to these guys. So Grady Jared's in there. I
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: think he's still a pretty good player in Atlanta.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: Good player.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: Deron Payne in Washington is sixteen million, good player. How
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: about vitavea good sixteen million? He's ninth. Javon Hargrave had
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: a really good season this year in San Francisco. He's fifteen.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: But I'm just reading down some of these names.
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: There's Davon Hamilton in that mix.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: Well hold on them at Oliver Quinn Williams, Jonathan Allen,
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: Derreck Brown, Dalvid Thomlinson. Devon Hamilton's seventeenth at nine to nine.
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: And the reason I bring him up is because the
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: Jaguars now you've got Roy Robinson Harris Devon Hamilton as
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: the expected start as a defensive tackle, right and that
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: is a position that you would like to supplement somebody
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: that can rush the passer. Devon Hamilton arguably their best
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: pass rusher, but if you look at it last year,
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: you would say he's not the best pass rusher. He's
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: trying to come back from an injury.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: We didn't get to see enough of him.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: Can he get back from an injury that that definitely
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: had him not playing at the expected level that that
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: his pay was at.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: If if one of the top defensive tackles is sliding down,
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: you know, and again in the first round, right if
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: there's one again bprom from Illinois, the kid from Texas.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, there are some big talented guys.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: I'm not against that.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: And of course we haven't had a chance really to
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: talk to Ryan nel Wi in any sort of relaxed
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: setting and kind of get a fit a feel for
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: what he's like and what he wants.
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: Doesn't matter. Any defensive coordinator, I don't care what scheme,
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: I don't care what their philosophy is. Likes really good
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: defensive tackles, you know, And and okay, is it a
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: guy that has a skill set along the lines of
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: an Aaron Donald or a Matta BK. You know one
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: of the shorter stature excellent pass rusher or is it
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: a big, long guy like the Forest Buckner you've asked
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: any defensive coordinator said, yeah, I'll take him.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah right, that list right there.
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: Well, how about this stuff, I'll take him.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: But a name that I love and I thought he
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: was a really good player, especially in the game against
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: him in London at Oliver from Buffalo, who's not that big,
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: but no, he's not that bad. But he was a
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: wrecking ball. I mean, he's a guy who makes things happen.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: He's uh, you don't like him as much. I like him, yeah,
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: but I don't love him. Okay. How about Quentin Williams
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: from the Jets.
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: I like him. I like him too, Okay, he he is.
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: He's definitely gotten better as a pass rusher, which was
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: kind of the one thing, especially coming out of FC.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: I believe it was when watching him, I was like,
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: you know, he's got to learn how to come off
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: the ball, and he's learned how to do that. But
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: he's not in that category up there with those elite guys.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: We have ninety seconds left. If if the Jaguars had
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: an open check book, next week, meaning that they weren't
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: restricted by Well, they do the franchise tag. Maybe look,
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: maybe they can make it work and maybe they'll roll
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: the dice that they'll get the numbers. Yeah, and look,
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: Tim Wallsh's really good at it. They'll find a way
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: if they want somebody. What position would you go.
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: After in free agency?
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: What what hole? Because you've talked about wanting to take
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: the best available player. Which hole would you I'm even
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: asking you a name. We got one minute left. What
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: hole would you fill?
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: Well, there's three holes that I look at, interior offensive line,
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: interior defensive line, and now you've got a hole at corner.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: Which one it's totally hypothetical. See how much how much
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: money do I have to as much as you want,
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: much as I want. Well, we're just assuming the jack wars.
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: You got to have a lot of money to buy
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: a defensive tackle. Okay, So I mean that's.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: That's the one you try to fill first.
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: Probably, But I mean I like, yeah.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: Can we continue this?
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: It's not easy.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: I wish we could. We're about done.
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: It's not easy.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: Hey, it's fun to do this again.
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: That's the challenge of being a GM.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, it's not an easy job.
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: How do you solve every puzzle?
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: Everybody thinks it's easy. It's not until they get it.
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: Not easy.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: Thanks for having me in and I appreciate it. It was
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: fun good catching up with you. Thanks folks, have a
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: great evening, and of course early next week we will
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: find out what the decisions are. This is Jack's happy hour.