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10-13: Quarterback controversy? Jori Epstein and Softy · The Gregg Bell Show

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  Speaker 2: quarterback DeMond Williams. He has a rib injury. Quarterback that
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  Speaker 2: Greg Bell, Justin McIntyre. Justin's back at our Elliott Bay Studios.
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  Speaker 3: All by my lonesome, so send in those chalkbacks, please.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the iHeartRadio app, 933KJR. com. There's a red microphone button
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  Speaker 2: at the top. If you do that... And she will definitely,
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  Speaker 2: Jessamyn will play that back at 1130.
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  Speaker 3: Of course I will.
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  Speaker 2: Not that I'm disappointed.
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  Speaker 4: I love hearing other voices. Because the ones in my
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  Speaker 4: head are driving me crazy.
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  Speaker 2: How's everything today? Rams lost, so that's good.
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  Speaker 3: Yep, we're cool with that.
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  Speaker 2: That's a good Seattle sports night. We have quarterback situations
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  Speaker 2: across the state, huh? Caden Penick is benched. That's what
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  Speaker 2: the Cougs coach Kirby Morris said yesterday. We talked about
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  Speaker 2: this a couple weeks ago, and you didn't think maybe
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  Speaker 2: then it was going to happen, and then after Utah State,
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  Speaker 2: you kind of thought this might be coming, huh, Jessamyn?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they need something of a shakeup. And
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  Speaker 4: Kirby Moore calling the offense was one of them that
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  Speaker 4: came in. But Caden has not helped himself in postgame
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  Speaker 4: press conferences.
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  Speaker 3: And he is, you know, it's I know that people
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  Speaker 3: will see what's.
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  Speaker 4: Put out there online from a press conference, but I
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  Speaker 4: get to watch him on the sideline the entire time.
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  Speaker 2: He is amazing.
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  Speaker 3: Really positive on the sideline. He's never too up. He's
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  Speaker 3: never too down.
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  Speaker 4: When our kicker was having huge, Jack Stephens was having
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  Speaker 4: huge issues in the beginning of this year, he was
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  Speaker 4: the one. He was sitting there all by himself on
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  Speaker 4: the bench. And it was Caden Pinnock who came over
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  Speaker 4: and talked to him. It was the only person that did.
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  Speaker 4: And so I have not, I think that there's misperceptions
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  Speaker 4: about him, but I do also think that this offense
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  Speaker 4: deserves a little bit of a shakeup considering what we've
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  Speaker 4: been seeing.
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  Speaker 2: Redshirt freshman, Owen Eshelman is going to be the starting
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  Speaker 2: quarterback Saturday in Corvallis against the Beavers. So Ian was
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  Speaker 2: just going on about Caden Penick and his postgame press conference.
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  Speaker 2: I saw where he said, oh, the internet warriors are
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  Speaker 2: going to be after me now or whatever. That wasn't
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  Speaker 2: a good look. But is that the gist of it?
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  Speaker 4: Uh, That was what the big quote that came out
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  Speaker 4: of it was, is that instead of, he was trying
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  Speaker 4: to say, and I really wish I could do media
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  Speaker 4: training with these guys, to be honest. But what he
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  Speaker 4: was trying to say is, I depend on my guys
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  Speaker 4: and people are going to come after me for it.
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  Speaker 4: And this is my observation. So I don't know. I
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  Speaker 4: did not talk to Pinnock about this. But I'm just
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  Speaker 4: saying that that was the point he was trying to
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  Speaker 4: make and it just came off terribly.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It just did.
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  Speaker 2: If they were 5-1 instead of 1-5, people wouldn't care
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  Speaker 2: what he said. That's also true.
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  Speaker 4: They're looking for someone to blame right now. And Kirby's
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  Speaker 4: brand new, and so is Pinnock.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 4: So who to blame? And I think both of them
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  Speaker 4: are taking a lot of arrows right now.
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  Speaker 2: So is DeMond Williams. We know the story here in
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  Speaker 2: Seattle when the University of Washington thought they lost DeMond
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  Speaker 2: Williams to LSU, and then they said, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: we have an NIL agreement with you for $ 4 million
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  Speaker 2: for this year.
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  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: And we're going to enforce that. And the Big Ten
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  Speaker 2: got involved, and they threatened lawsuits. So he stayed. He
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  Speaker 2: stayed now. They've lost their first three Big Ten games.
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  Speaker 2: He can't see over the line out of the pocket, apparently.
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  Speaker 2: He gets hurt against Iowa when they were getting absolutely
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  Speaker 2: boat raced on their home field by the Hawkeyes on
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  Speaker 2: Friday night. His replacement comes in, the Stanford transfer, and
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  Speaker 2: he lights up the Hawkeyes, 28-39 in about a little
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  Speaker 2: over a half of play. And now DeMond Williams is injured.
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  Speaker 2: And Jet Fish saying yesterday it doesn't look like he's
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  Speaker 2: going to play on Friday night at Purdue, which means
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  Speaker 2: Elijah Brown now practicing with the ones to start Friday
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  Speaker 2: in West Lafayette, Indiana. You're going to hear Hugh Millen,
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  Speaker 2: a former University of Washington Orange Bowl quarterback and an
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  Speaker 2: NFL quarterback who has a very vested interest in this situation.
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  Speaker 3: A damn fine analyst.
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  Speaker 2: And he's our quarterback one, of course, here on KJR.
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  Speaker 2: He's going to weigh in on the quarterback situation on
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  Speaker 2: Montlake heading into the game on Friday night against Purdue.
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  Speaker 2: You'll hear from him and what he said about it
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  Speaker 2: and the whole DeMond Williams situation. The fans are starting
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  Speaker 2: to get splintered about this whole thing.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the state of Washington is in a
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  Speaker 4: very big quarterback situation.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Professionally and collegiate.
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  Speaker 2: There's the Seahawks Super Bowl winning quarterback. Sam Darnold, who
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  Speaker 2: led the NFL in turnovers last year with 20 during
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  Speaker 2: the regular season with five interceptions in three games since
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  Speaker 2: he returned from that glute injury. There's not a quarterback
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  Speaker 2: controversy here, although Drew Locke shined and was the second-best
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  Speaker 2: passer rating quarterback in the NFL.
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  Speaker 3: No, I didn't say controversy that everyone was in. I
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  Speaker 3: said situation.
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  Speaker 2: No, I'm making it clear for the listeners that we're
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  Speaker 2: not trying to equate a quarterback controversy in Seattle. It
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  Speaker 2: is Sam Darnold, and it will continue to be Sam Darnold.
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  Speaker 2: But there are issues for sure, especially with the short
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  Speaker 2: passing game and the interceptions that he's thrown early in games.
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  Speaker 2: The first play against the Chargers– right after the Seahawks
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  Speaker 2: had gotten an interception in Chargers territory. And then the
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  Speaker 2: third play against the 49ers that handed San Francisco its
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  Speaker 2: first touchdown. Both throws into tight coverage that were ill-advised
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  Speaker 2: throws from a veteran quarterback. The situation at quarterback, it's
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  Speaker 2: not great.
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  Speaker 3: Can I ask you a question from your professional expertise? Sure.
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  Speaker 4: Do you think that– you know how disappointed he was
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  Speaker 4: after the Super Bowl because he wanted to let loose
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  Speaker 4: a little bit more?
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  Speaker 3: But he did what he had to do.
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  Speaker 4: Do you think they let him loose a little bit
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  Speaker 4: and he's not as good as they would have liked
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  Speaker 4: at letting it loose?
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  Speaker 2: I think he's not as good as they would have
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  Speaker 2: liked because his running game is not good. It's not consistent.
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  Speaker 2: And that changes every quarterback.
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  Speaker 3: It does.
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  Speaker 2: And he does not have a threat to run that
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  Speaker 2: defenses have to honor. Yeah, they know they've had a
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  Speaker 2: couple of spates– of rushing against the Patriots and against
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  Speaker 2: the woebegone Cardinals. But overall, teams aren't scheming. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: Kyle Shanahan and his defensive staff, Raheem Morris, they didn't
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  Speaker 2: come into that game Sunday going, we've got to stop
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  Speaker 2: this running game. It was, let's pressure Sam Darnold into mistakes.
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  Speaker 2: And that's now the current gameplay. And you're going to
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  Speaker 2: get it Thursday night in Denver because the Broncos are
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  Speaker 2: one of the most aggressive defenses in the league. They're
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  Speaker 2: a lot like the Seahawks. They do a lot of
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  Speaker 2: smoke and mirrors before the snap. They trick the quarterback
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  Speaker 2: and play call her. And they come after you. And
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  Speaker 2: that is the book right now on the Seahawks offense.
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  Speaker 2: Forget about the run. They've got a slow running back
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  Speaker 2: who you're not going to get outrun. Don't worry about
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  Speaker 2: Emmanuel Wilson beating you in the open field. And let's
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  Speaker 2: go after the quarterback. And until they get a running
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  Speaker 2: game that's a threat to change that, defenses are going
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  Speaker 2: to play that way. It's so much easier to defend
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  Speaker 2: a quarterback when you don't have a running game. And
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  Speaker 2: the Seahawks have a, let's just face it, right now,
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  Speaker 2: With Zach Charbonnet still not back from the reconstructive knee surgery,
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  Speaker 2: with Jadarian Price the number one draft pick on injured reserve,
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  Speaker 2: the Seahawks just have a bunch of Joes in the backfield.
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  Speaker 2: They do. They have a 500-yard rusher free agent from
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  Speaker 2: Green Bay they signed to a one-year minimum salary deal.
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  Speaker 2: They have a third-year undrafted rookie from three years ago
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  Speaker 2: out of Boise State who's overextended in the role that
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  Speaker 2: he's here for, which is special teams and a third
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  Speaker 2: down blocking and pass catching back. And they have... Two
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  Speaker 2: unproven running backs that have been practice squad players their
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  Speaker 2: whole career. Vellis Jones Jr. signed up for the practice
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  Speaker 2: squad last week. And Robert Henry Jr., who was not
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  Speaker 2: even worthy of being on the active roster for the
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  Speaker 2: game on Sunday, that they had signed to the 53-man
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  Speaker 2: roster last week off the commander's practice And that's it.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there aren't a lot of defensive coordinators around
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  Speaker 2: the league that are going to start game planning against
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  Speaker 2: Velas Jones Jr., Robert Henry Jr., George Zolani, and Emmanuel Wilson.
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  Speaker 2: They're not going to, oh, we've got to spend time
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  Speaker 2: scheming up this run game.
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  Speaker 4: Do you think that could be an advantage at some point?
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  Speaker 4: The fact that there's no tape?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Not until they run the ball. I mean, they're trying,
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  Speaker 2: but they're not running the ball consistently enough for any
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  Speaker 2: defense to have to honor it. And then they go
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  Speaker 2: after Sam Darnold. And it's third and long instead of
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  Speaker 2: third and two and three. And to me, that's the
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  Speaker 2: biggest difference in Sam Darnold right now. And then last year,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they were at this point last year, three
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  Speaker 2: and two, and they were turning the ball over with
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  Speaker 2: an alarming rate. And this is when they took off.
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  Speaker 2: But the difference is they had Kenneth Walker and Zach
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  Speaker 2: Charbonnet in the backfield then. And they don't now. And
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  Speaker 2: one of it is by their own design, and the
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  Speaker 2: other is because of Charbonnet's reconstructive knee surgery from February.
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  Speaker 2: You're going to hear where the Seahawks are at on
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  Speaker 2: Zach Charbonnet for this week and beyond. You'll hear from
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  Speaker 2: Coach Mike McDonald about that during the show. Jory Epstein
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  Speaker 4: It is a little bit short because we do have
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, 4 p.m. Puck Rock in Philadelphia. It's a 3.30
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  Speaker 2: pregame show with Mike Benton. Let's get back to the Seahawks.
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  Speaker 2: The question becomes, do they have a Sam Darnold problem? Well,
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  Speaker 2: they have a turnover problem. I'm not sure, Jessamyn, they
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  Speaker 2: have a Sam Darnold problem yet. I do think it's
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  Speaker 2: more of a run game problem. But, I mean, there
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  Speaker 2: were people during the game on Twitter, which I know
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  Speaker 2: is just a cesspool of anything and everything.
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  Speaker 3: It used to be so fun.
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  Speaker 2: Now they're yelling for Drew Locke to come in.
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  Speaker 3: Well, he did shine. I mean, he did.
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  Speaker 2: Is that what you want to see?
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  Speaker 3: No, I want to see Sam shine. I'm just saying
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  Speaker 3: I get it.
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  Speaker 4: I get it from Twitter fingers that that would be
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  Speaker 4: a thing.
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  Speaker 2: 49451 on Tacoma Dodge text line, are you in that camp?
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  Speaker 2: You've seen enough interceptions, three, five in the last three games,
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  Speaker 2: that you want Drew Locke in? That's not the plan
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  Speaker 2: here in Renton, I'll tell you that. But is that
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  Speaker 2: what you want? Are you at it now? You're Super
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  Speaker 2: Bowl winning quarterback five games into the following season. They
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  Speaker 2: are at the same place they were last October.
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  Speaker 4: I was just going to say, they have a winning record,
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  Speaker 4: and they lost to a very good San Francisco team.
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  Speaker 2: They lost this time last year. In Week 5, they
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  Speaker 2: lost at home to the Creamsicles. Tampa Bay, you remember,
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  Speaker 2: it was the throwback Jersey game.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And that was a similar game in that the Seahawks
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  Speaker 2: gave that away, the most glaring mistake being at the
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  Speaker 2: end of the game when Sam Darnold threw a pass
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  Speaker 2: off the defensive lineman's helmet, intercepted by the Buccaneers. Handed
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  Speaker 2: him the winning field goal, 38-35 loss. Another high-scoring loss
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  Speaker 2: to make him 3-2. And Darnold was near the league
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  Speaker 2: in interceptions. Right now he leads, as Ian pointed out
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  Speaker 2: on the show yesterday, Sam Darnold leads the NFL in
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  Speaker 2: percentage of passes intercepted so far this season. He doesn't
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  Speaker 2: lead in total interceptions because he has fewer attempts because
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  Speaker 2: of the game in 3-4s he missed because of the
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  Speaker 2: glute injury. But in percentage of his throws intercepted, he
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  Speaker 2: leads the league. And this is where he was last
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  Speaker 2: year at this time. And at this Last year at
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  Speaker 2: this time is the point that they took off and
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  Speaker 2: they lost only one other game the next four and
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  Speaker 2: a half months after this at 3-2. And that's, of course,
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  Speaker 2: the four interception day he had in Englewood against the
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  Speaker 2: Rams last November when they lost only 21-19. It bears repeating,
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  Speaker 2: but the only time in the last 12, actually 13 months,
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  Speaker 2: counting the week one loss to San Francisco at home
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  Speaker 2: 17-13 last year, season, the beginning of the season, the
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  Speaker 2: only time they've lost in the last year plus is
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  Speaker 2: when they turn the ball over. I mentioned yesterday, under
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  Speaker 2: Mike McDonald, when they turn the ball over zero or
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  Speaker 2: one times, 21-1. When they turn the ball over two
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  Speaker 2: or more times, 9-10. The Tampa Bay game I just mentioned,
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  Speaker 2: the San Francisco week one game when Nick Bosa pushed
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  Speaker 2: Abe Lucas into Sam Darnold who dropped the ball on
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  Speaker 2: the 10-yard line with 30 seconds left going in, down four,
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  Speaker 2: they lose that game. The L.A. game of Sam Darnold's
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  Speaker 2: career-high four interceptions. The Washington game last month, Darnold throws
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  Speaker 2: two interceptions coming off injury, three turnovers, and Jadarian Bryce
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  Speaker 2: drops the ball, gets benched. 21 points handed to the
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  Speaker 2: Commanders and a 33-31 loss. And then Sunday, same thing.
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  Speaker 2: Three turnovers, 21 points handed to the 49ers, all their
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  Speaker 2: points in the first half. The 49ers scoring drives in
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  Speaker 2: the first half on Sunday, 18 yards, 10 yards, and
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  Speaker 2: zero yards. because they recovered a fumble in the end zone.
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  Speaker 2: So this team only, because of their defense, this team
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  Speaker 2: only loses when the offense turns the ball over. Only. Now,
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  Speaker 2: the turnover margin number is always a factor in sports
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  Speaker 2: and football, and it's always a correlation to winning, but
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: not this extreme. And that's because of the Seahawks' defense.
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: If they can get Darnold a running game, running backs
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: who don't drop the ball, and Darnold doesn't throw interceptions,
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: they'll win. They'll beat Denver. They'll beat Kansas City. They'll
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: beat Chicago. They'll win. They'll be 6-2 coming out of
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: that Monday night game November 2nd against Chicago. They will
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: if they don't turn the ball over. It's so simple,
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: but it's true because of how Mike McDonald's defense continues
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: to play. They only gave up 11 points, and they
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: were all in the fourth quarter. San Francisco, after three
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: quarters the other day, had like 140 yards of offense.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, they were doing nothing other than getting handed
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: points by the Seahawks offense. It was much like Week
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: 18 last year in the divisional playoffs last year when
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: Shanahan and Purdy were doing nothing. And then in the
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: fourth quarter, they go at Josh Jobe with Mike Evans.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: That's the other question for the Tacoma Dodge text line.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: You're going to hear the answers that Mike McDonald had
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: to why didn't you just double-team Mike Evans and help
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: out Josh Jones? How you felt about how Mike McDonald
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: played that? He had an answer yesterday that mirrors what
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: we talked about, Jessamyn. He does not want an offense
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: dictating to him how he plays defense.
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: Which I love. You play you.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 17:27
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: And it cost him in the fourth quarter against San Francisco.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: But he does not want Shanahan to put him in
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: a situation where he's taking from other parts of his
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: defense that he wants to play. He didn't want to
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: double-team Mike Evans because what it would take out of
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: the rest of his defense. He didn't want to put
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: Devin Witherspoon, travel him on him, Same reason. And you'll
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: hear Mike McDonald's answer from yesterday when asked, why didn't
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: you just double-team Mike Evans, especially late in the game?
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: That's coming up, too. Up next, the running back situation
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: for the Seahawks. What they're taking into Denver Thursday night.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: What's Zach Charbonnet's status? What about Robert Henry Jr.? We
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: haven't even seen him yet. He's taken up a spot
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: on the active roster, but he wasn't even active to
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: play on Sunday against the 49ers. And again, why didn't
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Mike McDonald just double-team Mike Evans when he was repeating
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: his repeatedly beating Josh Jobe one-on-one on Sunday? The head
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: coach will answer that next on 93.3 KJRFM. Welcome back
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: to the Virginia Mason Athletic Center, Seahawks headquarters, where there's
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: a practice day today, an unusual Tuesday practice day. It's
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: their fullest practice of the week because tomorrow they're leaving
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: for Denver after practice for a Thursday night game, a
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: condensed week before they play the Broncos. They're wearing their
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: throwback whites, the white over light gray.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: I like those.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of fans love those, the white jerseys,
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: silver helmets.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: I'm not calling myself a fan over here. I'm just
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: saying I like the jersey.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: Gray, silver, whatever they call it. And gray, silver pants
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: under white jerseys on Thursday night. The Broncos are going
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: to wear their old AFC West uniforms with the.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: Oh, they're throwing back as well.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: The horse that spouts... What is that? Smoke, fire, whatever
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: it is.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: I think it's just cold air coming out of the nostrils.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: Colorado horse.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: That mile-high air, yes.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: Old AFC rivals with throwback jerseys. 90s-style jerseys on Thursday
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: night at 515 would be local time. You doing your
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: thing down at Thomas Rawls?
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: I sure am. I cannot wait. Down at the Buckleshoot Casino.
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: We are actually, because it's the only, we do these
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: away game watch parties, and it's the closest to Halloween
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: that we'll have an away game, so we're doing a
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: costume contest. Oh!
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: What are you wearing?
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: Ghosts of Running Back's Pass. Yep, that's what I'm going as.
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: I just have a huge ghost costume. I'm not a
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: cute cat or something. Yeah, no, but it is super fun.
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: And Thomas, and I've said this before, but what people
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: don't realize that at Muckleshoot, when Thomas shows up, when
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: an athlete shows up, you're not expecting to get to
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: spend time. Thomas spends time with everybody. It is so
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: fun to just watch him and he loves it so much.
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: He gets in great conversations with people. I have to
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: go find him to bring him up on stage to
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: give away prizes because he's just having fun with the
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: people who show up.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: So come on down.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: That is Thursday at 5.15 kickoff. What time does it start? 4.30,
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: 4 o'clock doors open?
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: Well, yes, and it is free to get in just
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: so that people know. So you can come early. Yeah,
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: there is kind of limited seating, but we do give
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: away a couple of just VIP awesome Lazy Boy chairs
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: where you can watch like you're in your living room
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: in the VIP section.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: So that's super fun, too. So show up early if
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: you want to do that.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: Don't worry. There's slot machines and card tables.
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: There's plenty of seats outside to have fun. But I
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: think you'll really enjoy. And we don't interrupt the game
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: at all. We let you watch the game during commercial
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: breaks or quarter breaks.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: And at halftime, we'll give away prizes. But we are
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: just there to have fun with you.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Seahawks heading on the road again. They're 16-3 on the
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: road since 2024. And Mike McDonald took over. That's the
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: best road record in the NFL in that span. Is
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: Zach Charbonnet going to play in Denver? Well, Mike McDonald
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: was asked that question with the latest on Charbonnet. He
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: is in the second week of a 21-day practice window.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: That window closes on October the 22nd, which is the
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Thursday before the Sunday night game against the Kansas City
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Chiefs in Seattle. The Seahawks have a 10-day mini-bye between
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: the Thursday night game in Denver and then their next
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: game at home against Kansas City. The 22nd, the Thursday
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: before that Kansas City game, is the end of Zach
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Charbonnet's 21-day window. At that time, the Seahawks have to say, okay,
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: you're active, you're ready to go, and you're put on
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: the active roster, or they have to put him on
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: the physically unable to perform list for the rest of
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: the season, essentially injured reserve, and he would be out
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: for the season. No indication that the Seahawks are going
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: to do that, but is there any indication he's going
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: to play this week? Mike McDonald talks about that on
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: two questions here.
• 22:38
  Speaker 7: I'll leave it at that. As of right now, the
• 22:42
  Speaker 7: answer is no. subject to change. Try not to be
• 22:48
  Speaker 7: boxed in there, Bob.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: And wiggle room.
• 22:51
  Speaker 8: The plan as of now to not play him is
• 22:53
  Speaker 8: related to like what this week looks like, a short
• 22:55
  Speaker 8: week in the mode that you guys are in and
• 22:56
  Speaker 8: all that.
• 22:58
  Speaker 7: I don't want to, it's like, we have to have
• 23:01
  Speaker 7: consensus from all parties that it's the most, it's, he's
• 23:05
  Speaker 7: ready to go. He's the most confident and ready to
• 23:07
  Speaker 7: go that he's had enough exposure to go play an
• 23:11
  Speaker 7: NFL game. And, um, So those are the variables at
• 23:16
  Speaker 7: play here. And can one area of that equation, can
• 23:20
  Speaker 7: that adjust as we go?
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:24
  Speaker 7: But we're trying to do right by the process right now,
• 23:28
  Speaker 7: I guess, is the best way to explain it.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: So no Zach Charbonnet. He won't play on Thursday night.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: What about Robert Henry Jr.? Remember, the Seahawks signed him
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: off the commander's practice squad. NFL rules... If you sign
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: a player off a practice squad, he goes directly on
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: your 53-man roster. But the Seahawks did not have him active,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: the undrafted rookie running back from Texas San Antonio. He's
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: a 5'9, under 200 pounds. He's a faster back. He
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: was known for his speed. He averaged 6.9 yards a
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: carry last year in college. One of the reasons he
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: was undrafted is he's only 5'9, 196 pounds. The other
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: reason is that he dropped the ball a lot. And
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: we've already seen that enough in the Seahawks backfield, haven't we?
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: So what up with Robert? Henry Jr., could he be
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: an option?
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we don't know that quite yet. And I know
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: that he might have talked about it. But, yeah, what
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: did you hear from him?
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Well, Mike McDonald's saying he's ready to go physically, obviously,
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: because he's been practicing every day on the commander's practice
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: squad since the start. And he said he's spun up
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: enough on the playbook that he doesn't need to know
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: all of it. So what happens during the season, especially
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: guys that join a team in the season, is They
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: only work on the game plan plays. The plays that
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: are in this week for Denver is what Henry needs
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: to know. He doesn't need to know the entire playbook
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: they start putting in in April in OTAs, minicamps. So
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: he's getting piece by piece the offense, and he's only
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: getting it this week for the Denver game. Last week
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: he just got it for the San Francisco game. So
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: he doesn't have to know everything, McDonald made that point.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: And McDonald also said, yeah, Henry's ready to go if
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: the opportunity presents itself. I'm here to say the opportunity
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: should be presenting itself on Thursday night and give fewer
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: carries to George Helani in running situations, especially on early
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: downs like we saw when he fumbled in his own
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: end zone. And it doesn't say anything about Velas Jones Jr.,
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: who is on the active roster now, was active for
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: the game on Sunday, but did not play one single
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: snap on offense. He played 22 snaps all on special teams.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: And we didn't see what we saw in Washington with
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Jadarian Price and benching him for fumbling. They did not
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: bench Wilson. They did not bench Helani. They have options.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: We'll see if they go to them. Bellis Jones Jr.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: is one of them. Thomas Henry is another. Robert Henry
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: is another one. Those are both on the active roster
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: now at running back because they are so thin. Those
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: are practice squad players that are on the 53 because
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: the running back situation has become so thin. It's Zach
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Charbonnet not yet back and Jadarian Price still on injured reserve.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: Price again, a reminder of the situation. He's Upper rib injury,
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: the general manager, John Schneider, has said he is first
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: eligible to call off the injured list not until November
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: 2nd when they play on a Monday night at home
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: against Chicago. Three straight primetime games coming up for Seattle
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: at Denver, 10-day break versus Kansas City, and then eight
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: days later against the Bears, and that Bears game on
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: November 2nd would be the first time Price could be
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: eligible to return off the injured list. So in the meantime...
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: With no Charbonnet this week, it seems like it's going
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: to be Emmanuel Wilson, number one. I don't know, Jessen,
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: if you have that Wilson audio from postgame when I
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: talked to him.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: I do, I do.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: I talked to him in the locker room. It's easier
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: to hear this audio because there wasn't any music playing.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Which is a sad reason. This was Emmanuel Wilson running
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: back after he fumbled against the 49ers on Sunday.
• 26:59
  Speaker 7: So it's tough, but anything special you can practice or
• 27:02
  Speaker 7: whatever to work on the ball security aspect?
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: Really just....
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: You know, when we got, like, our individual period time,
• 27:10
  Speaker 6: just having guys punch out the ball, everybody really, and
• 27:14
  Speaker 6: I'm going to talk to the defense, like, the scout
• 27:15
  Speaker 6: team defense, and ask them to just punch out the ball.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: A little more. How do you run to try to
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: gain yards, but also guard against the treadmowers perfectly punching
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: the ball out?
• 27:24
  Speaker 6: Shoot, really, just ball security and just keep your legs
• 27:26
  Speaker 6: moving on, and I know the guys in the back
• 27:28
  Speaker 6: end are going to push us forward.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: Did that first answer surprise you? It surprised those of
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: you listening, too? Don't Wouldn't they already be doing that?
• 27:38
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: Punching at the ball? Yeah.
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: No, and I do get that.
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: What I heard, his second answer was what stood out
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: to me about it's all about ball security.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: Well, where was it?
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Exactly. And the fact that he's going to talk to
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: the defensive players on the scout team to punch at
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: the ball is probably something they should have already been doing.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: And Fred Warner did it exquisitely. I mean, that was
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: a Marvin Hagler right cross. that just nailed the ball
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: squarely and knocked it out of his hands. And you
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: heard him say, you've got to run with your legs
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: churning and moving upfield to keep the ball from getting
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: knocked out. You heard Coach Mack say yesterday, four points
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: of contact in country, five.
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: Points of contact in city. And five if you're in
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: the city.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: In traffic. That's pretty good. My 23-year-old son loved that one. But, yeah,
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: it's tough for a running back, especially ones that are
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: still young in their careers and haven't been established themselves
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: and are on new teams and new situations. to run
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: the ball and want to get yards because that's how
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: you play, yet be worried primarily about ball security first.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Jadarian Price said the same thing in the locker room
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: after the Washington game when he got benched of, I
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: guess I have to now start running to just hold
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: the ball first and worry about the extra yards later
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: or not at all. Just maintain ball security being the
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: number one thing. All right, now on defense. It was
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: true early in the game when the 49ers converted their
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: first third down after the Sam Darnold interception. First third
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: down in the red zone, they went at Josh Jobe
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: with Mike Evans. Very next play from the two-yard line,
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: they went at Josh Jobe with Mike Evans for a touchdown.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Josh Jobe against San Francisco had nine targets by Brock Purdy,
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: seven catches allowed, 112 yards, a touchdown. Brock Purdy had
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: a passer rating 155.6 when they threw at Josh Jobe.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: Mike Evans had six catches and seven targets against Jobe
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: for 98 yards. And that touchdown I talked about, that
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: was 14 pass routes. that Evans ran against Joe. Brock
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: Purdy had a perfect passer rating, 158.3 when he's targeted
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Joe with Mike Evans. So why didn't they just double
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: team Mike Evans? Well, the coach and defensive architect answered
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: that question yesterday, Mike McDonald.
• 29:59
  Speaker 7: Uh, I'd love to. I'm assuming you're talking about with
• 30:04
  Speaker 7: number five yesterday. I can tell you there's reasons why
• 30:11
  Speaker 7: we were in certain coverages when he did catch the ball.
• 30:16
  Speaker 7: Sometimes you're right on why you're in those coverages and
• 30:18
  Speaker 7: sometimes you're not. When you double a guy, it takes
• 30:24
  Speaker 7: away from other areas. And just because he catches the ball,
• 30:28
  Speaker 7: doesn't mean that you don't have two people allocated to him. So, um,
• 30:33
  Speaker 7: I understand it's probably frustrating to, to, um, to see that.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: And it's.
• 30:39
  Speaker 7: Frankly, it's a fair set. It's a fair, fair criticism. Um, but, uh,
• 30:46
  Speaker 7: I can tell you, like, we're trying to make the
• 30:47
  Speaker 7: best decision in real time that we can to help
• 30:49
  Speaker 7: our guys put in, in situations that we can based
• 30:51
  Speaker 7: off of the information we have and, Sometimes as a
• 30:54
  Speaker 7: play caller, you nail it and you feel great because
• 30:57
  Speaker 7: your player is in a great spot. Sometimes you don't
• 30:59
  Speaker 7: and your player isn't in the optimum spot. That happens sometimes.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: The hesitation in Mike McDonald's voice answering that question. One,
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: is he trying to protect his player, Josh Jobe, whom
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: they gave an $ 8 million a year contract to in
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: the offseason. They chose Jobe over re-signing Reek Woolen. But two,
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: he doesn't want to give away state secrets into what
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: else in the defense he's trying to do and not
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: devoting a second cover man to Evans. But, Jessamyn, the criticism,
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: when he says it's a fair criticism, Evans was the
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: only downfield threat they had. I mean, yeah, they had
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: George Kittle, but Kittle had a huge drop early in
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: the game that changed things that could have sparked a
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: bigger deficit for the Seahawks than it was. But, Mike
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Evans was the only wide receiver of threat, especially after
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Devo Samuel went out injured midway through the game. Ricky
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: Persall's injured. The rookie stripling that they got from Ole
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: Miss and Washington State injured, not playing. And it was
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Mike Evans or bust. And the Seahawks still, I mean,
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: of any opportunity that you would have had to double
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: an outside receiver, you would think it would have been
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: on Sunday when Mike Evans was the only threat against you.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: But McDonald didn't want to do it. And we– I
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: think you asked yesterday, was it ego? Not so much
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: ego as the way, the style of play he wants
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: to impart on his team of wanting to dictate to
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: the offense. But the offense dictated to McDonald. I mentioned yesterday,
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: this is where Shanahan beat McDonald for the first time
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: in three games by targeting Josh Jobe. McDonald started the game.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: He didn't just stand there and do nothing. McDonald started
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: the game by having Josh Jobe at right corner outside.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: And Evans caught the third down pass in the red zone.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: Then he caught the two-yard touchdown pass over Jobe. Then
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: McDonald moved Jobe to the left side. What did Shanahan do?
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: He saw it. His coaches upstairs told him 29 is
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: now at the left corner. Witherspoon's on the right. And
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: they put Mike Evans on the right side of the
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: offense against the left side of the defense against Josh Jobe.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: And it stayed that way. And McDonald didn't counter to
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: that counter. He did not want to have Shanahan dictate
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: to him how he wanted to play defense. We mentioned
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: yesterday also they did not play a lot of dime.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Only four snaps for Nehemiah Pritchett who earned more. and
• 33:14
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• 33:18
  Speaker 2: eight snaps for Trevon Diggs, who's now on the 53-man roster.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: They made that roster move from the practice squad on Saturday.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: So that's only 12 snaps out of the 60 on
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: defense for the extra corners that they had in the game,
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: meaning those were the only 12 snaps that Witherspoon was inside,
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: and they were playing dime with Eamon Worry on the field.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: So I think that, to me, was a change-up. McDonald
• 33:43
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• 33:45
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• 33:48
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• 33:51
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• 33:52
  Speaker 3: The Chessers got chest. That's what happened.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: He did. He got checkmated on the scheme of not
• 33:58
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• 34:00
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• 34:03
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• 34:05
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• 34:08
  Speaker 2: it should be Pritchard right now, and Witherspoon inside of nickel.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: and will even worry up near the line. And I
• 34:14
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• 34:16
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• 34:17
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• 34:24
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• 34:27
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• 34:29
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• 34:32
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• 34:36
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• 34:39
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• 34:42
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• 34:45
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• 34:49
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• 34:52
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• 35:01
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• 35:03
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• 36:40
  Speaker 2: Friday again for the second consecutive week. This time they're
• 36:42
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• 36:47
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• 36:51
  Speaker 2: with LSU this past winter. He's struggling, and now he's hurting.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: Stanford transfer Elijah Brown is practicing with the ones for
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: the Huskies, perhaps to start Friday for UW against Purdue.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: Brown replaced Williams Friday night when Iowa was just boat
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: racing the Huskies in the first half. Brown completed 28
• 37:10
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• 37:13
  Speaker 2: more than a half, to rally UW, who still lost
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: their third straight Big Ten game. A former Washington Huskies
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: quarterback from Roosevelt High School, Hugh Millen, our quarterback one,
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: thinks there's a quarterback controversy or should be on Montlake.
• 37:28
  Speaker 10: It could be Elijah Brown's the starter for non-injury reasons.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: I think that, meaning.
• 37:34
  Speaker 10: I don't think Jetfish is going to come up and say,
• 37:37
  Speaker 10: DeMond Williams is cleared. He's healthy enough to start, but
• 37:41
  Speaker 10: I'm going to start Elijah Brown. I don't think he's
• 37:44
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• 37:46
  Speaker 10: Williams is going to start, but I think that he
• 37:51
  Speaker 10: is going to want to see Elijah Brown, and I
• 37:53
  Speaker 10: think we're going to be able to– there's enough ambiguity
• 37:56
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• 38:00
  Speaker 10: Eliza Brown's starting because DeMond Williams is not 100% healthy,
• 38:03
  Speaker 10: and then just let him take the Purdue game and
• 38:06
  Speaker 10: then assess from there.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: Okay, so what did Huskies coach Jed Fish say about
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: two hours after, three hours after Hugh Millen said that
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: yesterday on Chuck Powell's morning show about Williams' availability for Sunday,
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: or for Friday at Purdue?
• 38:23
  Speaker 8: Is DeMond healthy and clear to play as he starts Friday?
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know. That would be.
• 38:29
  Speaker 9: pretty much of a hypothetical at this point because I
• 38:31
  Speaker 9: don't envision being at that spot to have to make
• 38:35
  Speaker 9: that decision. But if he is, then we'll talk about
• 38:38
  Speaker 9: it as a staff and see how healthy he is.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: I don't want setbacks. I don't want a.
• 38:42
  Speaker 9: Situation where if he barely can make it back and
• 38:47
  Speaker 9: then we start him and then we wind up losing
• 38:49
  Speaker 9: him for weeks after that.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: So we'll go deal with that at the time.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: Like a number of reps or days he needs to
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: be active this week in practice to feel comfortable starting him?
• 39:02
  Speaker 9: No, I think right now we're just going to proceed
• 39:05
  Speaker 9: with Elijah taking the reps today. DeMond can't take any
• 39:10
  Speaker 9: reps today. Kind of go from there. There'd have to
• 39:14
  Speaker 9: be a pretty significant change for anything to change there.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: Any updates on the severity of X-ray's injury?
• 39:22
  Speaker 9: X-ray will be out.
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: Actually I'll be out for a substantial.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: Amount of time. Okay, so that sounds like a no.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: for DeMond Williams.
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: It sounded like it to me.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: Rib injury, won't play at Purdue. That means it's Elijah Brown.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: Who's he? Four-year starter. I read this twice, and I
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: was like, are you sure? A four-year starter at Mater
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: Dei High School, a Southern California high school. Four-year starter,
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: signed with Stanford. He's bigger than Williams. He can see
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: over the middle from the pocket. He's 6'2 and 215 pounds.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: He made one start as a freshman at Stanford in
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: 2024 against Wake Forest. They lost. Last season, he made
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: three starts for the Cardinal to end the season, including
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: the big game against Cal and against Notre Dame as well.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: Then he transferred. Brown transferred to Montlake to be, well,
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: at the time, he might have thought DeJuan Williams was
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: leaving for LSU. He comes back. And that whole thing,
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: a $ 4 million NIL deal that the Huskies enforced and
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: threatened legal action, the Big Ten threatened legal action.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: Rightfully so.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: To keep DeMond Williams from leaving for the Lane Kiffins
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: in Baton Rouge. And now DeMond Williams struggling, having trouble
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: seeing over the line and throwing over the middle. Now
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: injured with a rib injury and another Friday game for
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: the Huskies. So here comes Elijah Brown, and it sounds
• 40:37
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• 40:41
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• 40:43
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• 40:47
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• 40:49
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• 40:56
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• 40:59
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• 41:01
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• 41:05
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• 41:08
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• 41:10
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  Speaker 11: Greg, Justin, great to be on with you.
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  Speaker 2: Great to be on with you as well, ma'am. Your
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  Speaker 2: eyes were on the NFC West like much of the
• 43:19
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• 43:22
  Speaker 2: the trade that happened before the games on Sunday. Marvin
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: Harrison to Houston, Marvin Harrison and a seventh round pick
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: to Houston for a second and a sixth, unless I
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: got that backwards, six and a seventh, but they gave
• 43:34
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• 43:37
  Speaker 2: round picks to trade Marvin Harrison to Houston. Your reaction
• 43:42
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• 43:45
  Speaker 2: the Texans and are the Cardinals just in full-blown teardown
• 43:49
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• 43:52
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• 43:55
  Speaker 11: Yeah, great questions, Greg. And I was at MetLife Stadium
• 43:59
  Speaker 11: when this trade went down. So I was at the
• 44:00
  Speaker 11: Browns-Jets game and it kind of went down right, I
• 44:03
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• 44:06
  Speaker 11: I went to the Jets locker room and talked to
• 44:07
  Speaker 11: Garrett Wilson, their receiver, because like Marvin Harrison Jr., he
• 44:11
  Speaker 11: played with CJ Stratton at Ohio State. Both of them
• 44:13
  Speaker 11: were drafted in the top 10. And I asked him
• 44:16
  Speaker 11: about it and he was like, I don't know if
• 44:17
  Speaker 11: I'm allowed to say this, but I was praying that
• 44:19
  Speaker 11: something happened for him and that he got a fresh start.
• 44:22
  Speaker 11: And he and a couple of the Ohio State guys
• 44:24
  Speaker 11: in that locker room were just very excited. I think
• 44:26
  Speaker 11: when you look at it from a trade value standpoint,
• 44:28
  Speaker 11: I had talked to executives around different teams in the
• 44:30
  Speaker 11: league who... really told me that they wouldn't give up
• 44:33
  Speaker 11: more than a day three pick, so that would be
• 44:34
  Speaker 11: more of a fourth or fifth rounder for Marvin Harrison. Junior,
• 44:38
  Speaker 11: I had one team that said anything more than a fifth,
• 44:41
  Speaker 11: zero chance, and another team that said for a day three,
• 44:44
  Speaker 11: the value would be there, but they didn't really see
• 44:46
  Speaker 11: him panning out. I think it's worth contextualizing, though, that
• 44:48
  Speaker 11: in my opinion, yes, you're worth what the market pays you,
• 44:51
  Speaker 11: but a player's value to one team is not necessarily
• 44:54
  Speaker 11: the same as a player's value to another team, both
• 44:56
  Speaker 11: from the standpoint of what their offense looks like and
• 44:58
  Speaker 11: from what their personnel looks like. And so to reunite
• 45:01
  Speaker 11: Marvin Harrison Jr. with CJ Stroud, I think should expedite
• 45:05
  Speaker 11: his ability to catch up on the offense in the
• 45:07
  Speaker 11: middle of the season. And I think it's probably the
• 45:09
  Speaker 11: best chance he has to revive his career. I'm not
• 45:11
  Speaker 11: sure it will work, but I think it's more likely
• 45:13
  Speaker 11: to work there than anywhere else. The last thing we
• 45:15
  Speaker 11: got to note is that this is still a Texans
• 45:17
  Speaker 11: team that is one in four and trading a second
• 45:20
  Speaker 11: round pick in the 2027 draft for Marvin Harrison Jr.
• 45:23
  Speaker 11: You're one in four. You only beat the Titans who
• 45:25
  Speaker 11: beat nobody. So no one was a win.
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: Have you beat?
• 45:28
  Speaker 11: And The 2027 draft is supposed to be really talent
• 45:31
  Speaker 11: rich and really talent deep. That's why we saw the
• 45:34
  Speaker 11: Eagles a couple of times recently have trades that involve
• 45:37
  Speaker 11: picks in 2028 because no one wants to give up
• 45:39
  Speaker 11: high picks in 2027. So the Cardinals did get better
• 45:43
  Speaker 11: value than I thought they would be able to get,
• 45:45
  Speaker 11: even though it was what they wanted. But I'm still
• 45:48
  Speaker 11: not sure it was worth it for the Texans. We'll
• 45:50
  Speaker 11: find out.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Texans are still going for it for this year,
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: but they're 0-3 at home. They've only scored 110 points
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: in five games, and they're already three games behind the
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: Jaguars in the AFC South, yet they're going for it.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: This is a go-for-it move to try to get back
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: into it. Three games out, just five games into the season.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: All right, so let's stay in the NFC West. I'm
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: pretty sure after you got done writing whatever you had
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: to do in the Meadowlands, you got a chance to
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: look at the Seahawks in the 49ers game and a
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: wild ending it turned out to be. But what's Sam
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: Darnold look like to you? Five interceptions in three games
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: since he's come back from the injury you saw here
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: in Seattle the very opening night, fifth play of the season.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: He doesn't have a running game, at least not one
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: they can depend on right now like he did this
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: time last season. Would it be cause for alarm? You
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: think the league is looking at Sam Darnold like this
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: is the pre-2025 version of him? Yeah, I don't think.
• 46:45
  Speaker 11: We reverted all the way there. I did watch that
• 46:48
  Speaker 11: game also, though, You're just jumping from one thing to
• 46:52
  Speaker 11: the next. And I think for me, we've seen a
• 46:55
  Speaker 11: lot of quarterbacks around the league that when they don't
• 46:57
  Speaker 11: have the running game, I mean, Jordan loves a great
• 46:58
  Speaker 11: example of this. Things are a lot harder. So if
• 47:01
  Speaker 11: you look at what Sam did last year, I believe
• 47:04
  Speaker 11: he had 25 touchdowns to 14 interceptions in 17 games.
• 47:07
  Speaker 11: He had about 0.82 interceptions per game right now. He's
• 47:10
  Speaker 11: got five and four. That's 1.25. And two of the
• 47:13
  Speaker 11: last three games, you take that, you take fumbles around
• 47:15
  Speaker 11: the team. And those turnovers really are the difference in
• 47:17
  Speaker 11: these games overall. Um, it's a problem. I think if
• 47:20
  Speaker 11: you're a defense first team, you don't need your offense
• 47:24
  Speaker 11: to always be explosive. And I recognize you've got a
• 47:26
  Speaker 11: guy like Jackson Smith and Jake, but who is an
• 47:28
  Speaker 11: explosive piece, but you don't need your, your, your offense
• 47:30
  Speaker 11: to be scoring 30 points every week, but you do
• 47:33
  Speaker 11: need your offense to kind of ideally control the clock,
• 47:35
  Speaker 11: which is where the Ryan game comes in. And also
• 47:37
  Speaker 11: just not turn the ball over and put your defense
• 47:39
  Speaker 11: in rough situations. Cause then your defense isn't going to
• 47:41
  Speaker 11: be as fresh and they're not going to be playing
• 47:43
  Speaker 11: as soundly either. So, I mean, I don't think that
• 47:46
  Speaker 11: it was a bad game by a team. I think
• 47:48
  Speaker 11: it was a competitive division game where both teams did
• 47:51
  Speaker 11: a lot of impressive things and both teams made a
• 47:53
  Speaker 11: lot of mistakes. But clearly that's not, this level of
• 47:58
  Speaker 11: giveaways is not a formula for success and not a
• 48:00
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  Speaker 2: Staying in the NFC West, Sean McVay last night, he
• 48:29
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• 48:31
  Speaker 2: Plus most of the fifth quarter overtime against the Buffalo
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: bills defense, which has had problems all year. He gets
• 48:37
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• 48:41
  Speaker 2: shell offensively and just plays for the field goal. A
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: 48-yarder by his struggling kicker, which got blocked. The Bills
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: go the other way. Josh Allen scramble, field goal, game over.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: Rams lose for the third time in five games. Your
• 48:55
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• 48:57
  Speaker 2: while I was watching it. This isn't a gimme. Why
• 48:59
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• 49:02
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• 49:05
  Speaker 2: going Woody Hayes with the game on the line last night.
• 49:07
  Speaker 11: All right. And Greg, I don't know if you said,
• 49:10
  Speaker 11: but we did just, the Rams did cut the kicker.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: I did see that. Their practice squad kicker is now
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: their new kicker and they got rid of last night's. Yes.
• 49:20
  Speaker 11: Yes, there were changes that were made. I mean, it's
• 49:23
  Speaker 11: interesting because on one hand, you want to say put
• 49:24
  Speaker 11: it on Matthew Stafford all the time. On the other hand,
• 49:27
  Speaker 11: this build defense looked good. There's so many late game
• 49:30
  Speaker 11: situations that we saw this week where is it the
• 49:33
  Speaker 11: decision making or the execution? I'm not saying that Sean
• 49:37
  Speaker 11: McVay's decision was the right one, but we saw it
• 49:39
  Speaker 11: in the Philadelphia game. Nick Sirianni's being like, oh, I
• 49:42
  Speaker 11: made the wrong decision with however many seconds left on
• 49:44
  Speaker 11: the clock despite making the opposite decision that the Cowboys
• 49:47
  Speaker 11: made against the Ravens not long ago and had a
• 49:50
  Speaker 11: problem with too. I mean, you have all these elements
• 49:53
  Speaker 11: where the coaches are and should be taking accountability for it,
• 49:56
  Speaker 11: but some of this is the execution. So I think
• 50:00
  Speaker 11: it's hard for me to totally know, okay, yeah, I
• 50:03
  Speaker 11: trust Matthew Stafford's arm generally, The calls that they're getting
• 50:09
  Speaker 11: on DPI, all of these things are so ticky tacky
• 50:11
  Speaker 11: toward the end of the game that I still trust
• 50:15
  Speaker 11: Sean McVay in these situations. But I do think that
• 50:18
  Speaker 11: the Rams are kind of running out of time. I mean,
• 50:20
  Speaker 11: they've got to go, what, like 10 and two left
• 50:22
  Speaker 11: to make the playoffs? I know that they're, I think
• 50:25
  Speaker 11: the Rams right now are the type of team that
• 50:28
  Speaker 11: if they make the playoffs, and I think they will,
• 50:29
  Speaker 11: but if they make the playoffs, they'll be arguably the
• 50:32
  Speaker 11: most dangerous team, especially with Miles Garrett back. But will
• 50:35
  Speaker 11: they make the playoffs? I'm not sure.
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: They're not going undefeated, huh? Is that for sure? We
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: can now put that to bed?
• 50:42
  Speaker 11: Yeah, that does seem like it's not happening.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: Okay, all right. So, yeah, if you missed it, Jory
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: just mentioned the Rams are moving on from Harrison Mavis,
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: the kicker last night who missed in overtime, got it
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: blocked in overtime. Sean McVay is going to bring up
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: Blake Group off the practice squad, the Jets practice squad,
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: signing him to the active roster. So there you go.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: Already a change from the fallout from last night's Rams loss.
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: All right, you were in the Meadowlands. And first, before
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: we leave the NFC West, your quick thought on Dre
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: Greenlaw's one-game suspension. I thought he might get a couple
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: more games because of the fact that Ernest Jones wasn't
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: even in a game and didn't even have a helmet
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: on when he got headbutted on the sidelines when he
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: threw Sam Donald out of bounds. Dre Greenlaw, one-game suspension.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: He has a history of this is his second NFL
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: suspension on top of three fines. Do you think that
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: was just about the right punishment?
• 51:32
  Speaker 11: Yeah, it's a good question. I definitely thought that there
• 51:35
  Speaker 11: would be a suspension. I was texting with someone during
• 51:37
  Speaker 11: the game, essentially saying, I thought it would be one
• 51:39
  Speaker 11: to two, but they would make it one because he was,
• 51:42
  Speaker 11: he was qualified from part of this game. So then
• 51:45
  Speaker 11: you already have one plus. I think that being a
• 51:48
  Speaker 11: repeat offender doesn't help his case. And I'm actually a
• 51:50
  Speaker 11: little surprised they said he was appealing it. I don't
• 51:52
  Speaker 11: know how you win that appeal. I think that, I mean,
• 51:56
  Speaker 11: Miles Garrett didn't have the exact same incident with and Rudolph,
• 52:02
  Speaker 11: I think he had like six game suspension. And so
• 52:04
  Speaker 11: I recognize that this isn't a swing, but you're still
• 52:07
  Speaker 11: using your helmet against someone not wearing their helmet as
• 52:09
  Speaker 11: a a weapon. You can't do that. So yeah, I
• 52:13
  Speaker 11: think that the disqualification was absolutely the right move. I
• 52:16
  Speaker 11: was a little amused when Fred Warner, after the game
• 52:18
  Speaker 11: was asked about it and he was like, yeah, the
• 52:20
  Speaker 11: Seahawks were baiting him, like good on him, good on
• 52:22
  Speaker 11: them for baiting him. AKA we all know that Dre
• 52:26
  Speaker 11: Greenlaw is so emotional that you have the chance to
• 52:28
  Speaker 11: get them to go over the edge and the Seahawks
• 52:29
  Speaker 11: took advantage of that. So like even the Niners were
• 52:31
  Speaker 11: kind of begrudgingly respecting what Seattle was able to do.
• 52:35
  Speaker 11: But I think that it's functionally a one-and-a-half to two-game
• 52:40
  Speaker 11: suspension with the disqualification. And I think that's fair, but
• 52:43
  Speaker 11: I think if he does anything else this season, it's
• 52:45
  Speaker 11: going up.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: Baiting. If you throw the quarterback into the other team's sideline,
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: you're not exactly baiting them. You're demanding them to do something,
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: and they did. Who do you think is more urgent
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: Thursday night, the 3-2 Seahawks or the 3-2 Broncos.
• 52:59
  Speaker 8: In Denver, Joey?
• 53:03
  Speaker 11: I mean, both teams are pretty urgent, but I would
• 53:05
  Speaker 11: say that Seattle has not yet had a play-calling change,
• 53:08
  Speaker 11: and so you probably have fewer stops to pull back there,
• 53:11
  Speaker 11: also coming off a zero. So I would say that
• 53:14
  Speaker 11: the Broncos, it's more urgent. I did not.
• 53:19
  Speaker 11: Missed my attention that D'Amico Ryans in Houston and Sean
• 53:22
  Speaker 11: Payton in Denver each took back play calling at their
• 53:25
  Speaker 11: respective sides of the ball before facing the 0-4 Titans
• 53:29
  Speaker 11: at the time and 0-4 Chargers at the time respectively
• 53:32
  Speaker 11: and so I think that now you if you're Sean
• 53:35
  Speaker 11: Payton you won but not very much against the Chargers
• 53:37
  Speaker 11: team that hasn't won a game and now you've got
• 53:39
  Speaker 11: to say okay well now I have to call these
• 53:40
  Speaker 11: plays against the Seattle defense that no one wants to
• 53:43
  Speaker 11: go against so i would say for the broncos there's
• 53:45
  Speaker 11: more of a sense of urgency but again from from
• 53:50
  Speaker 11: the standpoint of what the early season expectations are there
• 53:54
  Speaker 11: are definitely questions in seattle well.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: Sean why did sean payton give up the play calling
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: to begin with i mean that's his bread and butter
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: right that's what denver hired him even though he's a
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: head coach they hired him to be the offensive mind
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: same with ryan's and do what you do best and
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: why they hired you know.
• 54:11
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I'll say a couple things.
• 54:12
  Speaker 11: I mean, he was going to lose Davis Webb to
• 54:15
  Speaker 11: an offensive coordinator if not head coaching job if he
• 54:17
  Speaker 11: didn't give Davis Webb play calling. So I would say
• 54:20
  Speaker 11: that the Broncos do not want to lose Davis Webb.
• 54:23
  Speaker 11: I also think there were probably some game management things,
• 54:26
  Speaker 11: including the AFC championship game, that the Broncos felt like
• 54:29
  Speaker 11: they could use a little more attention on. And Sean
• 54:32
  Speaker 11: not calling plays makes a reason not to do that.
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: So I think that.
• 54:35
  Speaker 11: That was why, and for D'Amico, I mean, Matt Burke
• 54:37
  Speaker 11: was one of the best defensive coordinators last year. I
• 54:39
  Speaker 11: recognize D'Amico had a hand in it, but it was
• 54:42
  Speaker 11: the same play caller this year was calling plays last
• 54:44
  Speaker 11: year when they were one of the best defenses in
• 54:46
  Speaker 11: the league. So I don't think it was crazy that
• 54:48
  Speaker 11: either one of them weren't. I think that if I
• 54:51
  Speaker 11: were Sean, I, I, I would have waited until after
• 54:54
  Speaker 11: the bye to take it back. I think give it
• 54:56
  Speaker 11: a little more time. You have an insane early schedule
• 54:58
  Speaker 11: in terms of who you played. It takes time. And
• 55:01
  Speaker 11: I'm not super into the whole panic is helpful philosophy.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: You were in the Meadowlands to watch the Jets beat
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: the Browns. The Browns kind of gave that what came away,
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: fumbled it away late in the rain. But you had
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: David Bailey with three sacks. You could fill in people
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: on who David Bailey is and his three sacks. And
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: how's Geno Smith going? for the Jets. How's that working out?
• 55:25
  Speaker 11: Yeah, David Bailey was their second overall pick in this
• 55:28
  Speaker 11: year's draft, and he had three sacks a week in
• 55:32
  Speaker 11: which the Jets sacked Deshaun Watson eight times. And maybe
• 55:35
  Speaker 11: like a few years ago, that would have made sense.
• 55:36
  Speaker 11: But Deshaun's actually been pretty mobile in recent games and
• 55:40
  Speaker 11: escaping some sacks that did not look like a quarterback
• 55:42
  Speaker 11: should be able to get out of. And then you
• 55:43
  Speaker 11: have David Bailey, who's got the three sacks, nine pressures,
• 55:46
  Speaker 11: five quick crash pressures as they're doing that. So I'm
• 55:50
  Speaker 11: really interested to see what he could continue doing. I mean,
• 55:52
  Speaker 11: he was a monster at Texas Tech, I believe, level league.
• 55:55
  Speaker 11: or led the nation in sacks last year at Texas Tech.
• 55:58
  Speaker 11: And now they're going to face Drake May and the
• 56:00
  Speaker 11: Patriots this week, where the offense this week Gino's been
• 56:10
  Speaker 11: fine I mean it's kind of hard to judge when
• 56:12
  Speaker 11: you have these games where it's raining the entire time
• 56:15
  Speaker 11: before during and after I would say what they're able
• 56:18
  Speaker 11: to do is a little trickier so I think that
• 56:21
  Speaker 11: at the beginning of the game he was playing pretty
• 56:23
  Speaker 11: smoothly looked good and that's the game went on there
• 56:26
  Speaker 11: wasn't much from offense on either side so I think
• 56:29
  Speaker 11: he looks better than he looked in Vegas last year
• 56:31
  Speaker 11: but he's definitely not currently back to his Seattle.
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: Levels Have you talked to him and interviewed him? And
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: if so, how do you find him compared to the
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: Seahawks version, compared to the Raiders version, compared to the
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: Jets version, compared to the Giants version, or so on?
• 56:46
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I was in the locker room. We talked at
• 56:47
  Speaker 11: this game. But I did sit down with him in
• 56:49
  Speaker 11: June for a story and talked to him about learning
• 56:52
  Speaker 11: the new offense with Frank Reich. And really, he was
• 56:55
  Speaker 11: just so happy to be back with a running game,
• 56:56
  Speaker 11: back with the semblance of an offensive line. And a
• 56:59
  Speaker 11: veteran play caller, Frank Reich, who seems a little more
• 57:02
  Speaker 11: settled than what she was telling me. and Pete Carroll
• 57:05
  Speaker 11: and their staff were doing in Vegas last year. So
• 57:08
  Speaker 11: I think it's more functional here, and also their defense
• 57:11
  Speaker 11: has really picked it up. So, again, the Jets are
• 57:12
  Speaker 11: not a good team, but they're a much more competitive
• 57:16
  Speaker 11: team than they were a year ago. And going back
• 57:18
  Speaker 11: to coaches taking the play calling back, Aaron Glenn taking
• 57:20
  Speaker 11: this defensive play calling, I would say, has been pretty
• 57:23
  Speaker 11: effective for this group early on.
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: Jets are two and three. Jessamyn's Jets are two and three.
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: All right, Greg, you don't need to rub it in.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: No, I didn't say that to start.
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: I grew up a Jets fan, a Mets fan, and
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: a Highlanders fan. So, you know, you live in New York.
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: You get it.
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: She's a Long Islander. She's a Jets fan. They're ahead
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: of the Dolphins. Yay! The Dolphins, maybe we should.
• 57:52
  Speaker 11: And I think right now they're projected to have like
• 57:54
  Speaker 11: the 9th, 11th, and 12th overall picks in the draft
• 57:57
  Speaker 11: or something.
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're happy about that.
• 57:58
  Speaker 11: When you get three picks in the top 12, you
• 58:00
  Speaker 11: should be able to control what you want against the
• 58:02
  Speaker 11: quarterback you want.
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: I feel like I'm talking to children when I say this,
• 58:06
  Speaker 4: and I know that there are people with a very
• 58:09
  Speaker 4: vast portfolio of professional NFL experience, but I'm like, make
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: good decisions.
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: Please make good decisions.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: Jory, where are you at this week? What do you
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: have your eye on in NFO Week 6?
• 58:23
  Speaker 11: Yeah, this week I will be back at MetLife where
• 58:25
  Speaker 11: the Saints are coming to play the Giants. We'll see
• 58:27
  Speaker 11: what Jameis Winston and that crew can do. I'm not
• 58:29
  Speaker 11: sure if I'll write about it, but I'll at least
• 58:31
  Speaker 11: be there. I'm also pretty interested. I think the Ravens-Browns
• 58:35
  Speaker 11: game is low-key pretty relevant to the AFC North battle.
• 58:40
  Speaker 11: I want to see what Bryce Young can do against
• 58:42
  Speaker 11: the Eagles. He played great against the Eagles. uh the
• 58:46
  Speaker 11: the lions last week or i guess two weeks ago
• 58:48
  Speaker 11: before his bye and so i want to see that
• 58:51
  Speaker 11: and the last time i'll give you is cowboys packers
• 58:53
  Speaker 11: it's kind of the referendum actually i'll give you a
• 58:55
  Speaker 11: few more cowboys packers referendum on the micah parsons was
• 58:57
  Speaker 11: defense even though micah parsons isn't going to be playing
• 59:00
  Speaker 11: and then we have teams in the chargers with jim
• 59:02
  Speaker 11: harbaugh and the commanders of dan clinton both coaches who
• 59:04
  Speaker 11: are struggling at the moment going to face the chiefs
• 59:08
  Speaker 11: and niners respectively so new of those are teams you
• 59:11
  Speaker 11: want to face when you're trying to get back on track.
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: Real quickly, Brian Schott and I were making some changes
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: on defense in Dallas. Is that what Jerry Jones is
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: talking about today?
• 59:21
  Speaker 11: Yes, Mike Petson, I shouldn't know that pronunciation, is coming
• 59:25
  Speaker 11: back as a senior defensive assistant. It works really well.
• 59:28
  Speaker 11: He's worked with Shawty before, I believe with the Jets.
• 59:30
  Speaker 11: He has worked with Christian Parker when they were with
• 59:33
  Speaker 11: the Packers. He hired him back in the day. And really,
• 59:36
  Speaker 11: I don't know why they didn't do something like this
• 59:37
  Speaker 11: before the season. which is just have a senior voice
• 59:44
  Speaker 11: for a young first-time play caller Christian Parker will also
• 59:47
  Speaker 11: be moving from coaching on the sideline to coaching in
• 59:50
  Speaker 11: the booth so they're pulling out all the stops and
• 59:52
  Speaker 11: seeming to try and support Christian and what that defense
• 59:55
  Speaker 11: could do the last thing to note on that is
• 59:57
  Speaker 11: yes he's a first-time play caller but it's also I
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 11: think a lot of transition because after 13 odd years
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 11: the Cowboys transitioned from a four front seven for all
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 11: these guys. You've got new personnel in there, a new
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 11: play caller, and a different philosophy than they've been working
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 11: on for over a decade.
• 1:00:18
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  Speaker 12: This offense seems a lot different than last year's 3-2 offense.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 12: So I say, why not give Drew a shot? Hell,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 12: give Milrow a shot. This offense is awful. Nothing should
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 12: be off the table. And yes, when we turn the
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 12: ball over, we lose. But that's not an anomaly anymore.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 12: Look at the last four weeks. We're a turnover team.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 12: So we're going to lose games.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 5: Hey there, Greg.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 13: It's your brother from another Ohio mother. Shout out Dayton Flyers. Now,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 13: if these running backs for the Seattle Seahawks are not
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 13: carrying a football everywhere they go every day like it's
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 13: a recreation of Remember the Titans, well, what are we doing?
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 13: You got to be punching that ball out, everybody, trying
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 13: to get that ball loose throughout the day. That's the
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 13: only way our running back should be handled this week.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 5: Go Hawks.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: They shouldn't have to do that at NFL, right? Ball security.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: I know Thomas Hammock.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: It just reminds me of the program.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: Yes, it does. I know Thomas Hammock drills at the
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: running back coach about ball security, the four points of
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: contact your dad talked about. I didn't hear four in
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: the country and five in the city. That's pretty good.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a Bobby Mac special that you got there.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: That was pretty good. Hey, there's a couple things I
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: want to clear up. First, I confused the listeners about
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: it is still calling in for the 10th caller for
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: the Kraken tickets. I think I said texting Meyer. It's
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: been a hell of a week or two.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 4: You know, Greg, give yourself a little grace.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: 206-286-9595. When you hear the sound of the horn, it
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: never fits you once an hour, every hour now until
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: the Kraken play tonight.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 4: And we do have two winners from our show.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: Who's that? Brian and Paul. Brian and Paul.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: Congratulations.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 4: Yes, they are going to the October 22nd game against
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 4: the Utah Mammoth. And the beauty of that is you
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 4: still have more chances to win throughout the rest.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 11: Of the day.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: Right, including the next hour. And the next hour after that,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: Ian Furness' show and the abbreviated Dave Softy Moa show
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: before 3.30, Mike Benton pregame show for the Kraken. And
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: then the Kraken at Philadelphia, they play the Flyers starting
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: at 4 o'clock with a puck drop. The other thing
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: I wanted to mention is while we've been on the show,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: MLB.com is the first to mention that the Mariners are
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: talking to Houston Astros manager Joe Espada about being their
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: new manager. Wow. Espada, of course, was the manager for
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: nine seasons in Houston. He took over. He was the
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: bench coach for Dusty Baker. Then he took over when
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: Baker retired in 2023. He's been at the club for
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: nine years, and the Astros have won seven division titles
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: in those nine years. They won the World Series in
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: 2022 when Dusty Baker was the manager and Espada was
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: the bench coach. He's still under contract through the end
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: of October, which is why the Mariners had to get
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: permission from the trash cans to even talk to Espada.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: But MLB.com, the first to report this morning that Joe
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: Espada is on the Mariners' list to talk to about
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: replacing Campbell Smith's manager.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: That's a little bit of this. Sorry, I warranted it.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: It did. How do you feel? Text line 49451. How
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: do you feel about the Mariners taking the trash cans manager?
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: Can't beat him, join him from the managerial ranks?
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: Did I ever tell you my Dusty Baker story?
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: I've got a couple, but I haven't heard yours.
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  Speaker 4: He shook a bag of potato chips out of a
• 1:05:17
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• 1:05:22
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  Speaker 5: Yes, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So I was very poor, and I would have like
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  Speaker 4: $ 2 on me, and I would go get a couple
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• 1:05:41
  Speaker 4: would go to this vending machine, which was in between ESPN,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: it's a huge campus, so it was in between radio
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 4: and SportsCenter. So the SportsCenter guys and Dusty Baker was
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 4: contributing as an analyst. And Berman saw me go, oh,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 4: because my bake lays got stuck. And this is like
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  Speaker 4: a $ 1.
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  Speaker 3: 75 dinner that I'm buying.
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  Speaker 4: And Dusty and Berman were like, oh, what's wrong?
• 1:06:09
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• 1:06:12
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• 1:06:23
  Speaker 4: which was amazing. But him and Dusty, and I got
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 4: to tell Dusty that story. retold at the all-star game
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 4: in 2023. Anyway, I think that's a good story to
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• 1:06:35
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  Speaker 2: Dusty Baker is one of the best guys I've met
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: in sports. He's from Sacramento, just outside Sacramento. And when
• 1:06:43
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• 1:06:45
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• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: he was the giants manager, including in the world series
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: against the angels.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Big Dusty.
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  Speaker 3: Just a great dude.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm going to say my pick first because we
• 1:07:31
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• 1:07:34
  Speaker 4: plus 12 and a half at the Los Angeles Rams.
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  Speaker 4: And I know that they're going to lose. I just
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 4: don't think they're going to lose by that much. So
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  Speaker 4: Arizona plus 12.
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  Speaker 2: And a half.
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  Speaker 4: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: Well, the Rams, I'm sorry, the Rams, SoFi.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 4: Is not exactly like a home field advantage kind of
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  Speaker 4: stadium either.
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  Speaker 2: No, it's not.
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  Speaker 4: No, so you usually get three if you're the home team.
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  Speaker 4: And that means that Arizona getting 12 and a half,
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 4: that's too wide a margin for me to turn down.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: I just had to do it.
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  Speaker 4: NFC West, I'm sorry, it doesn't matter how bad or
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 4: good the teams are within a division, they always play
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 4: each other harder.
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  Speaker 3: So, that's my pick.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: I'd give up 22.5 points and take the Rams at
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: this game.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: No, I saw the wide margin, and I'm going.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: If you agree with Jessamyn, Cardinals plus 12.5, meaning you're
• 1:08:28
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• 1:09:11
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• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: A couple people on the text line asked me, 49451,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: we'll get back to the pick, the revisit in a minute.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: They asked me, do I see the NFL legislating out
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: the punch of the football?
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 12: No.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: I don't either.
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  Speaker 9: No.
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  Speaker 2: They're not going to legislate that out.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: Peanut Tillman invented that.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Keith on the 253 says it's getting out of
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: hand with the amount of punches thrown in the game.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: The reason I don't think the NFL is going to
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: legislate this out is it would be so hard in
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: real time for officials to officiate that.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: Well, why is that even illegal? Why should it be?
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: It's not.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: No, but why should it be? It shouldn't be. There's
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: nothing wrong. This isn't a targeting situation.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 4: This is real football, and the defense has every right
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 4: to that ball.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: Yes, I agree. I don't think punches at the ball
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: are going to be. It has to be at the ball,
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: of course, but no. It would be so hard to
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: legislate that, and it's an official in real time.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: Why would it even be legislated?
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 4: Sorry, I respect the listener who asked, but no, that
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 4: should never be legislated.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: It's a part of the game.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: There are a couple people on the text line, 49451,
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: who think that Drew Locke should be the quarterback.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there are a couple, yeah.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: You knew you were going to get this, right? Of course.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: 206.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: Yes. In all caps with four exclamation points. I want
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: locked back with three exclamation points. I think Donald was
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: rushed back from his injury and wasn't ready yet. If
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: lock would have started the commander's game, I believe we
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: would have won shoot. If lock had started the 49ers game,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: we like would have won. Drew doesn't turn the ball
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: over like Donald does. What's ironic about that? A chuckle
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: is that drew lock led the league in interceptions as
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: a rookie in Denver in the, then was on track
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: to do it again his second season.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: He and Sam have had the same pass.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: Very similar pass.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 4: Not the same, but very, very similar, which is why
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 4: I think they're a perfect tandem. But I don't think
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 4: that he should be pressed into starting.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: 206 says, no, Drew shouldn't start, but his coaching staff
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: did try to prove a point by benching the starting
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: running back for avoidable turnovers, so it would only be right,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: I guess. Difference, of course, being... The cost of doing
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: business for throwing the ball sometimes is interception. Now, not
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: at the rate that Darnold's currently throwing it at, but
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: you don't take it as a cost of doing business
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: running the football, fumbling it as you do throwing the
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: ball and getting intercepted every once in a while. Not
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: five times in three games, mind you, but no. There
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: are a couple people on the text line that are
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: taking issue with what Jed Fish said yesterday in his
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: press conference. He was stating the fact that Washington is
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: at the bottom of the Big Ten in in spending
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: on player rosters for football. First of all, let's just
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: state facts here. The reason why Washington is at the
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: bottom of the Big Ten in spending on players is
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: because they're at the bottom of the Big Ten in revenue.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: They took a half share to join the conference through
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: the end of this decade. That was the agreement that
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: they struck to join the Big Ten. They and Oregon. Oregon,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: of course, has plenty of outside resources in the money
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: fountain from Phil Knight to augment this. Washington does not.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: Washington has a donor base, frankly, who's split on deciding
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: whether they want to be an academic institution or run
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: with the big dogs in college football the way the
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: rules currently are. And they're trying to do both. And
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: they also have donors who don't just spend their money
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: on football, who have yachts, who are into philanthropy, who
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: will buy their tickets to the symphony or buy their
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: fifth house in Lake Chelan. And that's the difference. This
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: isn't Tuscaloosa or Baton Rouge where they're just going to
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: write checks no matter what the football team says and
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: just do it for football. That's not a UW donor.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: And so they're caught. They're in between two worlds here,
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: and they're not mastering the football one for sure. But, yeah,
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: you're going to get outspent when you're at the bottom
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: of the league in revenues in the Big Ten. Thanks
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: for the text.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 3: Again, my pick, Arizona plus 12.5 against the Rams.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: At the Rams.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: At the Rams.
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  Speaker 2: If you agree, text FACT to 49451. If you disagree,
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• 1:13:28
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• 1:13:32
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• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: 3.30 pregame and a 4 o'clock puck drop at Philadelphia
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: against the Flyers. I'll be back here at the Seahawks
• 1:13:40
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• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: Greg Bell at the Virginia Mason Athletic Center Seahawks headquarters
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: where Cooper Cupp and Julian Love just had press conferences
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: this morning. There will be not even a practice, really,
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: just a walkthrough of the game plan today. Dave Softebauer
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: joins us because Ian Furness actually has TV duty. Yes, yes.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 8: He's getting his foundation applied before he hits TV this afternoon.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 5: With that face, it takes a long time.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: Don't be mean. Don't be mean.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 5: What are we, in junior high?
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: Don't be mean.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: Okay. Yes, you are clearly.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: In junior high. I'm trying to move through that. Dave
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: Sofdy-Mallers at the Emerald Queen. Don't be mean. I want
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: to ask you, Dave. What did you think of Jed Fish?
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: You were there yesterday for Jed Fish on Montlake.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 5: Hey, first of all, time out a second. Can I
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 5: interrupt you for a minute?
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: Is that okay?
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry. I want to say F you to the
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 5: News Tribune, okay, number one.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: Like that.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm really.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 8: Disappointed in that news that came down the other day.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 8: I feel for you, man, and I'm glad that you're
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 8: on our team because the other team over there will
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 8: suffer without you.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: I appreciate it.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 8: May they rot in hell and get 1,000 paper cuts
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 8: covered in lemon juice.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: That's really kind of you. Thank you.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 5: How's that sound?
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 3: Zayef Gonorrhea.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 5: That's right. Who was the guy in Ace Ventura, the kicker?
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: Dan Marino.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 5: No, it was Dan Marino. Dan Marino was the.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: One that was supposed to rot in hell.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 5: That's right. Dan Marino can rot in hell and get gonorrhea.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: That's what I hope happens to the news tribute.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: Whoa. There you go.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 5: Let's cut that, by the way.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: For now. Thank you. Sorry. I appreciate the support. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: I am glad to be on your team, so I
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: appreciate that. You were in Motlake yesterday for Jed Fish.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: What did you think? You know Husky fans. You're one
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: of them, and you know the donors. You know the fans.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: What did you think of him even going there about
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: where they are in revenue versus their Big Ten rivals?
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I wish he'd stop talking about it, to be
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 8: honest with you. And I would tell that to Jed, clearly.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 8: I mean, I think it's the middle of the season.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 8: There's nothing you can do about it right now. You've
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 8: got a bunch of guys that are trying to rally
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 8: and win some games, and I don't think the head
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 8: coach running around telling the world that his roster isn't
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 8: good enough to compete in the Big Ten is a
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 8: good idea. I mean, to me, that's not going to
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 8: exactly motivate me if I'm a player and you're telling
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 8: me that I'm a cheap roster compared to everybody else
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 8: that's on our schedule. So, I mean, I think that
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 8: there are realities about what Jet Fish is talking about
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 8: that are entirely accurate, but I also think that there's
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 8: a time and place for it, and I think the
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 8: middle of the year when you're 0-3 in the Big Ten.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 8: Isn't the time to be doing it. I mean, you know,
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 8: have that conversation over the offseason. Now, I do get
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 8: it in some ways because the athletic report came out, what,
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 8: about three weeks ago, Greg? And I actually asked him
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 8: about that when that report came out. But this is becoming,
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 8: in my opinion, for my liking and my taste as
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 8: a Husky fan, way too big of a conversation on Montlake.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, look, guys.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 8: I mean, we got a big-ass game against Purdue on Friday.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 8: They just ran the ball for 300 yards down Minnesota's friggin' throats.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 8: And I don't like the head coach talking about how
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 8: little we're spending on our roster before we go on
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 8: the road and try to take on another Big Ten
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 8: football team, and we're desperate for a win. So I'd
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 8: like to see it go away, but I also think
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 8: that there's a conversation there that obviously has to be
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 8: had at some point. I'm just not sure if now
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 8: is the time to have it, especially from the head coach.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: Do you think in their heart of hearts, brain of brains,
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: in Graves Hall and up on upper campus, that they
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: wish they– not left for the Big Ten and tried
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: to do something to keep it going.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 8: No, because I think that there's going to be a
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 8: Super League formed at some point between the SEC and
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 8: the Big Ten, and I think Washington wants to be
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 8: a part of it. I mean, look, this is just,
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 8: to me, I'm kind of done being annoyed by it
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 8: because I think it's just common sense. I think people
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 8: bring these things up on the air, and they bring
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 8: them up on social media, that it was USC-UCLA goes first,
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 8: and then Colorado was taken off. This was going to
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 8: be a completely different conference and a conference that would
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 8: have been on the outside looking in. There would have
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 8: been a huge party happening in college football in Washington
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 8: and Oregon would not have been invited to it. So
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 8: I think long term, it's going to be the right
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 8: play for UW for sure. But to say there's not
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 8: going to be some short term pain, there absolutely will be.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 8: And there is now for sure.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: What do you got on the show today from the EQC?
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: Let's see.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 8: Well, we're going to do the Husky Honks, get Mario
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 8: and Greg's take on the entire thing at 145, do
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 8: a couple segments with them.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 5: John Wilner will join us as well. We'll chat with him.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 8: We'll talk about their support, about the Mariners looking at
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 8: the manager of the Astros, who they didn't want back.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 5: We'll talk about that as well.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 8: Yeah, we'll do all that and have some fun here
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 8: at the EQC talking Hawks and a little fun with
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 8: audio as well.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: Dave Softimala will take you right up to the Kraken.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: Mike Benton's pregame show at 3.30, puck drop at 4,
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: Kraken and Flyers in Philadelphia. Dave, thanks for the kind words.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 5: You bet, buddy.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: We love you, man. Love you. Appreciate you. Love you, too.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: Thank you. Appreciate it. Dave Softimala is up next. Justin McIntyre,
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: Greg Bell, thanks for listening. I'll do it again from
• 1:18:46
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