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Ian Furness 9/22 H2: We're here to clear up any confusion, Nicole... Joe Sheehan and the Daily Power Play! · The Ian Furness Show

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  Speaker 1: Now, from the Star Reynolds Sports Desk, your 93.3 KJR
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  Speaker 2: Coors Light. Cold as the Rockies. Week 2 NFL wrapped up.
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  Speaker 2: 28-6 Rams. Victory of the Giants. But the big news
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  Speaker 2: coming out of that game is coming out just in
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  Speaker 2: the last couple of hours. Jackson Dart, Giants quarterback, could
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  Speaker 2: be out for the season. Long term, it does appear.
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  Speaker 3: Knee injury.
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  Speaker 2: Remember last night? Oh, things look fine.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, they made it seem like it was no big deal.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, when you saw the hit to his knee,
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  Speaker 4: it didn't look.
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  Speaker 3: Like no big deal.
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  Speaker 2: It looked like it was bad.
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  Speaker 3: It looked really painful.
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  Speaker 2: So anyway, he's out for a while. Giants in trouble.
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  Speaker 2: Aaron Donald played.
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  Speaker 5: Screw you.
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  Speaker 2: Let's see. All eyes on the Seahawks practice field tomorrow.
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  Speaker 2: Hawks head coach Mike McDonald said yesterday the quarterback is
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  Speaker 2: ahead of his schedule. That's Sam Donald, that quarterback, and
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  Speaker 2: there's a chance he could be practicing tomorrow. M's begin
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  Speaker 2: the final week of the regular season tonight at T-Mobile.
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  Speaker 2: Astros in town. Game time, 640. Rangers play host to
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  Speaker 2: the Mets. If they win... Sort of. There's still the
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  Speaker 2: possibility for... I heard soft teams get... Remember, there's a
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  Speaker 2: possibility for a three-way tie.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yes, there is that.
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  Speaker 2: The magic number's kind of one. Sort of one.
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  Speaker 5: Kind of.
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  Speaker 3: But there's a chance of other stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Other stuff.
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  Speaker 5: All right, here we.
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  Speaker 1: Go.
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  Speaker 2: Hour two of the show. I want to get big
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  Speaker 2: weekend in college football coming up, Ash. You know, you've
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  Speaker 2: got your alma mater playing against the Quackers, the Quackers
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  Speaker 2: of Oregon.
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  Speaker 3: One of the times I'll actually cheer for them. Not Oregon, USC.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So you're not a huge USC fan.
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  Speaker 3: Correct.
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  Speaker 2: Why is that?
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  Speaker 3: Because they ruined the Pac-12.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: God bless you for that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. And anyone who tries to blame Washington for doing it,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, Washington didn't help things.
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  Speaker 2: Washington and Oregon did not help things.
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  Speaker 4: They had to look out for themselves after USC and
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  Speaker 4: UCLA screwed everyone over.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I need to be clear about that because people, listen,
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  Speaker 2: the night that it happened, I was sideways and for
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  Speaker 2: about six months afterwards, sideways. I don't like how Washington
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  Speaker 2: handled it.
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  Speaker 6: Right.
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  Speaker 2: I think the former president of the school pulled a really, well,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think, I know she pulled a greasy move.
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  Speaker 2: She wasn't upfront. She wasn't, she was not honest with
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  Speaker 2: our president at the time, President Schultz. Now he was
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  Speaker 2: kind of adult as well.
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  Speaker 3: And where's she at now?
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  Speaker 2: Where is she? She retired, right? I think so. She retired.
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  Speaker 2: But I didn't like how that was handled.
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  Speaker 5: Right. At all.
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  Speaker 2: Never will at the same time. Two things can be true.
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  Speaker 2: They did what they, they, Washington did what it had
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  Speaker 2: to do. Oregon, the same thing. This was a, this
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  Speaker 2: was a USC slash UCLA, mostly USC thing.
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  Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: It also goes back way beyond that. It goes back
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  Speaker 2: to when they formed the PAC-12, when they added Colorado
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  Speaker 2: and Utah and the PAC-12 network, and they decided they
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  Speaker 2: were going to completely rev share with everybody. And that
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  Speaker 2: meant USC is getting the same money as Wazoo and
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  Speaker 2: Oregon State and other schools that don't generate revenue. I'm
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  Speaker 2: looking at you, Cal. But that's when it started, and
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  Speaker 2: that pissed off USC. And there's a lot of reasons. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I don't blame– Washington in the end for leaving. I
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  Speaker 2: hate Washington for leaving. I love the rivalry. I don't
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  Speaker 2: think the rivalry exists anymore. I hate all that.
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  Speaker 3: I would agree.
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  Speaker 2: I hate all that. Makes me sad.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But this weekend, USC's taking on, and really, probably, I
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  Speaker 2: think in some ways, people can make an argument. Missouri,
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  Speaker 2: Mississippi State, you can make an argument. A & M, LSU,
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  Speaker 2: A & M' s awful. I proved that last week. Are
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  Speaker 2: some big games as well. Michigan-Iowa is a big game.
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  Speaker 2: Florida-Ole Miss. People are thinking Florida might be good again.
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  Speaker 5: Really?
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  Speaker 2: I don't think so. Let's prove it to us. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: they might have the best running back in the country, Florida,
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  Speaker 2: but that's all right. Oregon-USC coming up this weekend. 20 Oregon,
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  Speaker 2: 12 USC. I want to get to two things this segment.
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  Speaker 1: One, Oregon.
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  Speaker 2: I tried to like you. I did my very best.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I don't try.
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  Speaker 2: I've never tried. But I tried. Mostly because you don't
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  Speaker 2: like Washington and Washington doesn't like you, so that makes
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  Speaker 2: me like you. Right. But now.
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  Speaker 3: It feels dirty, though, doesn't it?
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  Speaker 5: It does.
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  Speaker 2: Dan Lanning might be the most unlikable coach in the country. Well,
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  Speaker 2: I know Jed's right there, too.
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  Speaker 5: Well.
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  Speaker 3: Lincoln.
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  Speaker 5: Lincoln.
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  Speaker 2: There's a long list of college coaches that are unlikable
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  Speaker 2: when you really think about it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, there really are.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think a lot of people don't like, well, Lane. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: he's in the conference.
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  Speaker 3: Lane and Dan are both Lane and Lanning. They're right there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they've won how many national championships, those two guys?
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  Speaker 5: Zero.
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  Speaker 2: That's right. I rarely get involved with the Twitter world
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  Speaker 2: wars and stuff, but I tweeted something on Saturday. What
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  Speaker 2: Oregon did at the end of the game to Portland
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  Speaker 2: State was wrong.
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  Speaker 5: Agreed.
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  Speaker 2: If you are going to defend that in any way, shape,
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  Speaker 2: or form, you've got a whole lot of problems in
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  Speaker 2: your world. And you've just got the blinders on.
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  Speaker 3: It's the blinders. That's what it is.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Kenzano tweeted a thing. Final Oregon 84, Portland State 0,
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  Speaker 2: column coming. Summarize it in three words. I said, classless, embarrassing,
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  Speaker 2: and weak.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And I said, hard for a USC to ever be
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  Speaker 2: the good guys, but that'll be the case next week.
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  Speaker 2: Post-game on-field interview with Lanning was nauseating. Here's what I said,
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  Speaker 2: and this is what pissed me off. throwing deep to
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  Speaker 2: the end zone up 70 late in the fourth quarter,
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  Speaker 2: four-string quarterback or not, doesn't matter. It's greasy as it gets.
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  Speaker 2: They went hurry up in the final two minutes to
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  Speaker 2: make sure they got past 70 in the 80s. That
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  Speaker 2: game was over early third quarter. You could have given
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  Speaker 2: guys work really early. And you know what? Four-string quarterbacks
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  Speaker 2: in college football don't get work, guys. They just don't.
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  Speaker 2: So don't give me that nonsense. It just doesn't happen.
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  Speaker 2: You're four-string for a reason. You're on the scout. Whatever
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  Speaker 2: it is, that's what you are. So don't give me that.
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  Speaker 2: There's a right and a wrong way to play the
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  Speaker 2: game in all games. Guys are tweeting back, oh, you
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  Speaker 2: see Wazoo ran the score on Duquesne. No, they put
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  Speaker 2: their backup quarterback in, Wazoo did, for the last drive,
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  Speaker 2: and he took two knees.
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  Speaker 3: And they scored 48 points.
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  Speaker 2: And he took two knees. And the 48 points, by
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  Speaker 2: the way, were two of those were back-to-back punt returns.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But they took a knee.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: We're also not Oregon. We don't have the same athletes.
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  Speaker 2: I just think it was, and then the way Lanning
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  Speaker 2: handled it afterwards, Kenyon Barner, I think, was doing the interview,
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  Speaker 2: an ex-player, and he was just smug, three-word answers, not happy. Like,
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  Speaker 2: just go the hell away. It's an elimination game for
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  Speaker 2: Oregon this weekend. So go USC. Like, just beat them
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  Speaker 2: and be done with it. There's no way to defend
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  Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. Every week, there's teams across the
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  Speaker 2: country that can run up a score, and some do
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  Speaker 2: and some don't. Some show what it's like to have
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  Speaker 2: some class. You can just run the football. But to
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  Speaker 2: go hurry up? In fact, they didn't really the last
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  Speaker 2: two series. They went hurry up. They went fast. These
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  Speaker 2: guys are just beat down. They're overmatched. What does that
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  Speaker 2: prove to anyone? That's why, Oregon, you are hated. That's
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  Speaker 2: why you're hated. Because of crap like that.
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  Speaker 4: And it's because they felt like, well, we lost the
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  Speaker 4: week before.
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  Speaker 3: We have to prove we're better than that.
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  Speaker 4: Well, but you're not proving that by beating Portland State.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 4: And for anyone, because I haven't looked at the text message,
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  Speaker 4: but I'm sure there's someone that'll text in, well, if
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  Speaker 4: you don't want them to score, defend it. It's not
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  Speaker 4: the same level of football played between Oregon and Portland State.
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  Speaker 4: That's like saying, it's just, that's not a fair argument
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  Speaker 4: to make. Yeah, you would like to think if Portland
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  Speaker 4: State doesn't want them to score, they should defend it.
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  Speaker 3: But they're not on the same playing field.
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  Speaker 2: It was 42-0 at halftime. It was 56-0 at the
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  Speaker 2: end of the third quarter. They put up 21 in
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  Speaker 2: the fourth.
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  Speaker 3: There's no need for that.
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  Speaker 1: Zero.
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  Speaker 5: Zero.
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  Speaker 4: It was just them wanting to say to everyone, look, see,
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  Speaker 4: we shouldn't have lost last week. But you should have
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  Speaker 4: lost the week before, and actually by more than you
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  Speaker 4: actually lost.
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  Speaker 5: You should have.
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  Speaker 2: I mentioned this with Alex and MK as well. Nicole Auerbach.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody put a tweet out yesterday saying, Basically, someone said, hey,
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  Speaker 2: if Kamario Taylor, who's the quarterback of Mississippi State, wants
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  Speaker 2: to make $ 10 million playing somewhere next year, he will.
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  Speaker 2: Hard to believe Mississippi State retains him unless he's the
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  Speaker 2: most loyal player in college football. Now, he's from around
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  Speaker 2: that area, so maybe he will. Nicole Auerbach, who works,
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  Speaker 2: I think, for NBC now, she doesn't like the sport
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  Speaker 2: she covers, but that's fine. She says, I'm so tired
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  Speaker 2: of people who see an amazing college football player at
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  Speaker 2: a school that isn't Georgia, Ohio State, et cetera, and
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  Speaker 2: immediately speculate about him transferring out. What an exhausting and, frankly,
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  Speaker 2: terrible way to consume college football. Really, Nicole? Softie says back, hey,
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  Speaker 2: what's ridiculous is that you can't understand why tons of fans,
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  Speaker 2: especially smaller schools, feel this way. Fix the system. Stop
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  Speaker 2: criticizing fans who fear it. Here's the thing. We could
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  Speaker 2: debate all day, college football, protect college sports, Ash. One
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  Speaker 2: of the things in there is a one-time transfer rule.
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  Speaker 2: One of the things that made college sports fun for
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  Speaker 2: so long, and this is when Don James was running
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  Speaker 2: the show. This was when others were running the show
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  Speaker 2: in the Pac-8, Pac-10, Pac-12. is that A, you couldn't
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  Speaker 2: transfer in conference, and B, you had the one transfer,
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  Speaker 2: but you had to sit out a year. Now it's
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  Speaker 2: a wide— I don't mind getting rid of the sitting out,
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  Speaker 2: and if you want to transfer in conference— You had
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  Speaker 2: to transfer one time. But the one time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Because here's what Nicole Auerbach and others that only care
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  Speaker 2: about the five or six teams in the.
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  Speaker 3: Country— And can't understand the others, apparently.
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  Speaker 2: And can't understand the other 130— We care about eight.
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  Speaker 2: The other 130 we don't care about. What you don't understand,
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  Speaker 2: and no one's immune from it, but if you're a
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  Speaker 2: college football fan and you're being asked to donate and
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  Speaker 2: you're being asked to support and go to games and
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  Speaker 2: get revved up, yes, you're cheering for the logo. You're
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  Speaker 2: cheering for the school. You're cheering for all of that.
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  Speaker 2: But part of the fun of college sports over the
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  Speaker 2: years is watching guys get better and develop and get
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  Speaker 2: better as the years go on. The first thing I'm
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  Speaker 2: doing on Saturday when Wazoo first started saying, hey, we
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  Speaker 2: should probably give Maxwell Woods the ball because he's really good.
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  Speaker 2: We retained him last year. We retained him somehow when
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  Speaker 2: Dipstick went to Iowa State. We retained this guy. They
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  Speaker 2: finally used him. He's a redshirt sophomore. What am I
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  Speaker 2: thinking the entire game? uh our our safety jalen thomas
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  Speaker 2: pick six against kansas state punt return for a touchdown.
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  Speaker 3: Just an absolute best player on the field.
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  Speaker 2: Just phenomenal jalen thomas what am i thinking about him.
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  Speaker 3: That they're going somewhere else.
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  Speaker 2: That's the world we live in right now You can't
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  Speaker 2: blame fans for thinking that, Nicole, and to think that
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  Speaker 2: you're tired of people. What a horrible way to consume
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  Speaker 2: college football. We all want to consume college football at
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  Speaker 2: the same time. We're unable to really, truly enjoy it
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  Speaker 2: like we used to because we know people are going
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  Speaker 2: to leave.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: To say that to say that that's a horrible way
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  Speaker 4: to consume college football, college football put us in that position.
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  Speaker 4: That's not that's not something that people created out of
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  Speaker 4: their minds. Half the joy of college football was the
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  Speaker 4: loyalty and the bond you had with a player who
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  Speaker 4: chose to stay, who chose your school in the first place.
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  Speaker 4: And then chose to stay there and, as you said,
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  Speaker 4: watch them grow and all of these things. College football
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  Speaker 4: doesn't care about any of that anymore. They only care
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  Speaker 4: about the money. So anyone who's trying to say that
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  Speaker 4: this is anything on the fans, no, it is 100%
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  Speaker 4: on college football and what they have.
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  Speaker 3: Done to themselves.
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  Speaker 2: And, you know, giving the kids all this freedom, I
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  Speaker 2: get it. But when I said When I said nobody
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  Speaker 2: is immune to it, nobody is immune to it except
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  Speaker 2: for five or six or seven schools.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I counted through. Wazoo's got 37. I didn't count the
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  Speaker 2: junior college kids because I don't think that matters. I
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  Speaker 2: think that's a different deal.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's different.
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  Speaker 2: I think they have about 35 to 37, Wazoo does, transfers.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of them came from South Dakota State, didn't
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  Speaker 2: go with Jimmy to Iowa State, but from all over
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  Speaker 2: the place, from schools all over the place. 37. So
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  Speaker 2: we've done it to other people.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 2: It's happened to us. Washington's a really good program and
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  Speaker 2: a big school. Adam Muhammad, do you think he looked
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  Speaker 2: pretty good in a Husky uniform right now?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He goes to Cal.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Like no one's immune. And does that make the sport
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  Speaker 2: better by giving unlimited free agency and a wide open,
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  Speaker 2: it's always open, 7-Eleven free agency? I don't know how
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  Speaker 2: that makes it better. In fact, it makes it worse.
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  Speaker 3: 100%.
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  Speaker 2: There's got to be a way where it's, listen, you
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  Speaker 2: want to transfer one time, great. Second time, there's got
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  Speaker 2: to be some sort of penalty. Sit out a year,
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  Speaker 2: what have you. Just chasing a dollar as a hired gun,
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  Speaker 2: I've said this a zillion times, I'm going to say
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  Speaker 2: it again, it doesn't happen in other sports.
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  Speaker 5: No.
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  Speaker 2: It just doesn't happen. Anyway, she just drives me nuts.
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  Speaker 2: That's a dumb comment. That attitude drives me nuts.
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  Speaker 4: It's not a fan's fault. The fact that the fans
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  Speaker 4: are sticking with college football through all of this.
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  Speaker 2: Because we all still love the game. We love our Saturdays.
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  Speaker 2: We love all those things about it. It's fantastic. I
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  Speaker 2: love all that. We all love that. And we'll watch
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  Speaker 2: a Saturday game. But when you're watching a Saturday game,
• 12:33
  Speaker 2: don't tell me that you're not thinking every day. Listen,
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  Speaker 2: I joke about it all the time. My fantasy football
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  Speaker 2: team's name is Husky QB1 held hostage. DeMond wanted to leave.
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  Speaker 2: Good for Washington. They held him to the fire and said, dude,
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  Speaker 2: you can't leave. We need more of those types of contracts.
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  Speaker 2: All right, we'll take a break. Come back. 49451. You
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  Speaker 2: when the Mariners tapped out, we would have been done
• 13:53
  Speaker 2: in June. So, I mean, we're still going strong. Joe,
• 13:58
  Speaker 2: did you know? I got this. You'll like this. Did
• 14:01
  Speaker 2: you know? There's a lot of misinformation out there. I'm
• 14:05
  Speaker 2: going to paint a picture for you if I can.
• 14:07
  Speaker 2: You ready for this? If the Mariners can still get
• 14:11
  Speaker 2: in with the falling, take the Rangers clinching out of
• 14:14
  Speaker 2: it tonight because that actually doesn't actually eliminate the Mariners
• 14:18
  Speaker 2: tonight unless the Mariners lose as well and the Rangers win.
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: A three-way tie scenario, if all three, Seattle, Houston, Texas,
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: all finish at 79-83, the M's would win the division
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: because they have the best combined record. How about that?
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: There's still hope, Joe.
• 14:36
  Speaker 5: I thought I was going to hit you with that.
• 14:38
  Speaker 5: I had done all the work, and I'm like, oh,
• 14:39
  Speaker 5: I'm going to hit him with a three-way tie scenario,
• 14:42
  Speaker 5: and you beat me to it.
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: How about that? We're on the same page.
• 14:44
  Speaker 5: See?
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: We're all positive thinking here, Joe. Of course, the chances
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: of that happening, I think, are less than 1%. Yeah.
• 14:53
  Speaker 5: Losing the tiebreaker to the Rangers really hurts. Basically, they
• 14:56
  Speaker 5: have to run the table, the Rangers have to lose
• 14:59
  Speaker 5: the rest of their games, and the Astros have to
• 15:01
  Speaker 5: do no better than a split this weekend, and they
• 15:03
  Speaker 5: would win it outright, actually. But yeah, the slightly more
• 15:06
  Speaker 5: likely scenario is the three-way tie. But this all starts
• 15:10
  Speaker 5: with the Mariners winning six in a row. Well, it
• 15:12
  Speaker 5: has to be seven in a row. And I'm going
• 15:14
  Speaker 5: to always think back to the start of this month. Mm-hmm.
• 15:18
  Speaker 5: and looking ahead to the A's and the Angels and
• 15:20
  Speaker 5: the Rockies at infinitum. And I'm still, I was writing
• 15:23
  Speaker 5: up the Padres today. And the Padres just come off
• 15:25
  Speaker 5: a similar stretch. They played the Nationals, Giants, Rockies, and Marlins.
• 15:30
  Speaker 5: and they went 12-1. And writing about the Padres, I
• 15:33
  Speaker 5: just couldn't help but think of the Mariners, who had
• 15:35
  Speaker 5: even an easier schedule laid out for them, and couldn't
• 15:39
  Speaker 5: end the 73-83 today. It was a squandered opportunity all
• 15:42
  Speaker 5: year long, but it was especially a squandered opportunity in September,
• 15:46
  Speaker 5: when there's just no reason for them not to have
• 15:48
  Speaker 5: gone 15-2 or whatever, and taken this division. This division...
• 15:53
  Speaker 5: probably gets one at 81 and 81 it possibly gets
• 15:56
  Speaker 5: one at 80 and 82 and the mariners are not
• 16:00
  Speaker 5: going to even be alive likely going into the last
• 16:02
  Speaker 5: weekend which is just i guess when you talk about
• 16:06
  Speaker 5: teams being disappointing some of that is on you right
• 16:08
  Speaker 5: because you had expectations did they disappoint or were you
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: just wrong about them i'm comfortable saying that this is
• 16:16
  Speaker 5: a case of a team being disappointed.
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: Joe if nothing else if nothing else in the, you know,
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: and we still have, still have four left with the angels,
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: but if nothing else, they had 10 games. The first
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: half of the month through September 16th, they had 10
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: games against the athletics and the angels, and they weren't
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: able to take advantage. Like that's just, that's a hundred percent.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: That's not disappointing. That's a hundred percent on you as
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: an organization, as a franchise, as a, As a clubhouse,
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: as a manager and his staff, that's on you. 10
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: of 16 against those two teams?
• 16:50
  Speaker 5: Come on. I go back to that series coming out
• 16:54
  Speaker 5: of Boston. They had that horrible game where we dunked
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: on Dan Wilson in Boston. They won the next two,
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: and they came home, and that's where it was going
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: to start. 17 of the last 22 against the A's, Angels,
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: and Rockies. Four at home against the A's. Four at
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: home against the A's. and they gave up 20 runs
• 17:12
  Speaker 5: in the first three games to the A's. And the
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: A's are awful, but remember, this is a team who
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: literally lost its top five hitters. Langoliers have come back
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: in the last week. But you look back at their
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: opening day lineup, and they lost their top five hitters.
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: And you gave up 20 runs to that team in
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: three games in a row. I just, that's where, that
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: to me, you know, they went two and five against
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: the A's in those two series. And that's really where
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: it kind of like deflated, like just took all the
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: air out of the bubble. Like I could have, I
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: would have, I did. I certainly sat here the night
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: we talked about Wilson and said, you know, even as
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: bad as it looks right now, it's all laid out
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: in front of them. And I just never would have
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: figured them to play that badly against these horrible teams
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: in September. And that to me is where I go.
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: They're just not as good as I thought they were. And, yeah,
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: we can point to the losing brash and the domino
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: effects in the bullpen, but, you know, I want to
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: sit down this winter, or those will have time this winter,
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: it looks like. I really want to sit down and
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: look at Julio Rodriguez this season. Thank you. Because he's been...
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: It's funny because you and I have talked for years
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: about the first half, second half thing. And I'll always
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: tell you, oh, that's noise, that's noise, like home roads,
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: it's all just noise in one season. And sure enough,
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: this year, he had a first half that was actually
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: a little bit better, and he's played like me in
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: the second half. And I was shocked. I was looking
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: at his splits the other day. I was shocked at
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: how bad he's been over the last 30 games. And
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: there's no way to get around the fact that he
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: is a big part of the reason that the Mariners
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: didn't make the run down the stretch that we expected
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: them to. You know, Cal Raleigh actually... I just ran
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: some numbers on blue sky. If you look at rally 23, 24,
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: and then combined 25 and 26, he's basically keeps having
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: the same season, but he had 25 at his 90% level.
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: I'm talking about Dakota terms. He was like three standard
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: deviations for what you would have expected. And then this
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: year he was also three standard deviations for what you
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: would expect. And if you average those out, it's a
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: fairly typical cow rally season, but the way in which
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: we had them, changes how we think of him but
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: you know sometimes even one season isn't enough to overcome
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: the variance of just being a baseball player i'm rambling
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: a bit but i guess what i want to say
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: is like the mariners are a fascinating off-season topic for
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: me where did it go wrong how did it go
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: wrong and more importantly how do we make sure it
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: doesn't go wrong again because they're going to be the favorites.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: Next year yeah they i think one of the things
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: that that has also popped up with us is a
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: starting pitching uh you know in terms of the number
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: of quality starts and a number of what but they
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: got out of their start like Yes, you're missing brash.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: You leaned way too heavily on Bazzardo. And I kind
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: of always bristle because Bazzardo takes a lot of grief
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: in this town, obviously, what happened last year. But he's
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: not that guy, and yet he's put in the position
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: of being that guy. So that makes it hard for him.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: But all that said, when you're starting pitching, which you've
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: built this franchise around, you're kind of basing everything on
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: we've got this great starting staff and And it's not,
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: you know, the Hancock injury doesn't even come into play
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: because they've got depth. They've got six guys, you know,
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: and they bring in a Cade Anderson. So, you know,
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: they had six with Castillo, then they bring in Cade.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: To me, part of the problem has also been the
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: starting pitching, Joe, hasn't been quite what you would expect.
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: It to be. It's been a massive issue, especially in
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: the second half. Logan Gilbert's having basically the second worst
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: season of his career. George Kirby's having the worst year
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: of his career. Luis Castillo obviously fell apart this year,
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: and they were able to get him off the payroll.
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: And this matters because you've got more pitching on the way.
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: You look at Anderson coming up. You look at Ryan Sloan.
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: And I just.
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: You've got to figure out what went wrong. And this
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: is why I go back to, I would love to
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: see Maniaka stick around. We talked about this a couple
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: of weeks ago. I'm a huge Maniaka fan going back
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: to his days in Cleveland and in DC, but I'm
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: also okay with, you know what, let's just start over.
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: Let's just get an entirely new management team in here
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: to take a fresh look at these players and see
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: if we can't do better. Cause like I say, you
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: look who had a better year this year, you know,
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: Dominic Canzone, Luke Raley. I think, I think Cole Young
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: actually had a really strong season. He's falling apart a
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: little bit down the stretch, but for the most part,
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: you know, it's hard to find the guys who were
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: better this year than they were last year, who were
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: better this year than you would have expected them to
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: be three or four, you know, a couple, a couple
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: of hitters and that's about it. And that can't happen
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: next year. You've got to have, I'm not saying everybody's
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: got to have a peak season last year, but you've
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: got to get them back to where close to where
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: they were in 24 and 25. And I think it
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: might take new voices to do that. You can't fire
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: the players of the old saying, dude, you got to
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: fire the dugout staff. And I'd be okay with cleaning
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: house there and taking your time. with doing it. And
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: this is where, to some extent, the lockout might help
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: you because there might be less of a rush to
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: put a management team in place for the players. They're
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: not going to be able to contact the players after
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: December 1st anyway. So... Go ahead and take your time
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: and figure out who you want running the pitching staff,
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: running the hitters, managing all those guys. I think it's
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: an opportunity for the Mariners to get the right team
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: in place, not just for 27, but for 27 through 29.
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: See if you can't find your five-year solution in the dugout.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Okay, so let me go back for just a second
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: from what you said because I was going to ask
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: you this anyway. I want to make sure we're clear
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: because I was going to ask you to kind of–
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: this isn't even crystal ball predicting, just what do you
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: think should happen Because a week from today when we
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: speak again, it'll be two days after the season, and
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: assuming that it's the normal world of pro sports, there
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: will have been some changes. Do you change the front office?
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: Jerry DiPoto, Justin Hollander, do you change that after 11 years?
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: I do not. I think that they've earned the opportunity to...
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: To ensure that the 26 season was a fluke. When
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: I look at the team, I still think, you know,
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: this is the same core of talent that I expected
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: to win 93 games last year and this year. I
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: think you've got to give them one more awesome member.
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: And I traded for Donovan and Donovan just spent the
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: year hurt. Um, yeah. Could they have done more in
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: the bullpen? Yeah, I do think so. But remember, they've
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: also drafted Kate Anderson. They've drafted Ryan Sloan. They built this, this,
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: not just the staff, but this farm system. You know,
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: we've all been excited about watching Lazaro Montez the last
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: couple of weeks. So I think you've got to give
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: them credit for the things they've done. Well, I would
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: not replace the front office. I would give that front
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: office a chance to pick a new field staff. And
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: then if they do that poorly, yeah. After 27, I
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: think you got to look at it at a different
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: management team, but I think you'd actually go backwards if
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: you change, if you change everybody right now. There's also
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: how much change do you want to make in one
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: offseason when you're not a rebuilding team? If you're 56-106, yeah,
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: maybe you just completely clean house, put a new front
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: office in place, put a new dugout staff in place.
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: the Mariners are in the middle of when they should
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: be peaking. And that team was built by DePoto with
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: the flaws it had this year. I'll grant that. And
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: I think you've got to say, Hey, look, we still
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: think this is the guy, but you've got to replace
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: the dugout staff. I would give DePoto one more year.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I, I tend to agree with you. I tend
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: to side with you in that regard. I think, you know,
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: just all the guys you just talked about and then
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: the rosters, but let's be honest, it's a disappointing season. And,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: I think it's one thing if it's, like you said,
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: if it's a 56-116 win team or whatever the numbers
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: would be, that's one thing. That, to me, is more
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: of an indictment on the front office than whatever's in
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: the dugout because you can only do so much with
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: the talent. This is the opposite. This is a team
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: that underachieved at 73-83. They're going to have a losing
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: record or whatever that ends up being. Part of it is.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: You know, everyone in town, all the media guys, we
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: all like Perry Hill. He actually refuses to come on
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: our station now because we're critical. But, you know, whether
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: it be Perry Hill or the rest, you know, all
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: these guys. And, you know, Manny, I love Manny Act,
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: a great dude. We've had him on a number of times.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: You know, that's where it starts to me. I think
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: you have to completely purge everything in that dugout. everything
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: on that staff, all the way through, fresh faces. That's
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: kind of where I'm feeling right now. I just don't
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: think you bring anybody back at all from that coaching staff.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Joe?
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: Especially since you look at it's a failure of the
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: entire roster. It's not a situation where the pitchers were
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: great and the hitters were terrible.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: Or the defense was great. Every aspect of this team disappointed,
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: especially the defense. There was a number going out there
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: that the Mariners are going to be the worst team
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: defensive team by StatCast in the 11 years we've had StatCast.
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: They're going to be one of the bottom five teams
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: in runs below average based on a 20-year framework of
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: a different number. I think you got to start there.
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: I talked about Julio earlier. I want to know why
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: he went from being an above-average defender to a below-average one.
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: I can't do anything about Luke Raley or Josh Naylor
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: or Dominic Canzone, but I want to know what happened
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: elsewhere and if it's just Can we do it by
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: fixing the personnel? You and I, as far back as May,
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: we're talking about Crawford and wanting Colt Emerson to get
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: the job. And Emerson was playing shortstop for a while
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: and he got hurt. I got to go into next year,
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: upgraded defense, because some of the problems with the pitching
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: this year was unquestionably actually the defense. You know, we
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: look at that, look at these inflated ERAs. And I
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: also look at the defense of them. I'm like, it's
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: not all on Gilbert and Wu and Kirby and, Miller,
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: even Castillo and Hancock. It's a, it's a, it's when
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: they put balls and play off them, the guys behind
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: them weren't making plays and that were down to the
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: pitchers ERA, but we can look at deeper numbers and say, Hey, look,
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: this is pitching and defense. So you've got to really
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: look at every, all three phases of the game and
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: all four. I split things up into offense, defense, bullpen
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: and rotation. And I think all four of them, you've
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: got to start with new management of. So that's hard.
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: I'm not, that is a really hard thing to do
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: to replace your entire on-field staff. But you know, if
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: you've ever seen Mad Men, I say this all the time,
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: that's what the money is for.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: Well, a hundred percent. Joe Sheehan joining us, Joe Sheehan newsletter. Joe, I, I,
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: I want you to emphasize again, the defense, because, you know,
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: we do live in an era now where we have
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: a lot more information numbers next to us, you know,
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: There's some that'll scream and I'll put the iPads down
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: and all that. But I like because fielding percentage, that's
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: almost to me feels like almost batting average. It's like
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: we don't need that number. There's better ways to look
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: at it. You just said something I think I want
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: you to reiterate again and emphasize. This is one of
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: the worst defensive teams in a while in baseball.
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you go back to, like I said, we only
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: had the really advanced numbers for about 10 years for
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: the one set and 20 years for another. And like
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: I said, this is one of the worst offensive teams
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: in that range. I'm just kind of taking a quick
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: look here. And I missed on them badly. I'm looking
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: back at my preseason numbers. I had them as the
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: seventh best defense in baseball. And that was obviously wrong.
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: And we knew they were taking some chances at the
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: start of the year, like Brendan Donovan, like bringing him
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: into play third base. He barely had played third base
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: in like a three year period. And when he was there,
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: he was bad at it. So that was already a risk.
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: You know, Josh Naylor, not a good first baseman. We
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: expect them to be good at second. We expect them
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: to be good in center. On the quarters, you know,
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: Randy Rosarino is one of this kind of this weird
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: mix of like really good skills, but not a particularly
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: good defender. The numbers have bounced around. So there was
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: some risk with the defense and everything went wrong. I mean,
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: that's going to happen. But when you don't, just don't
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: use fielding percentage. I think that's like batting average actually
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: still tells you a certain amount about skill sets.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: But, you know, watch any game and you basically have
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: to die on the field to get called for an
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: error now. No autopsy, no error. And not that fielding
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: percentage was ever a great number, but the effect of
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: official scoring on this is just it makes fielding percentage.
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: I'd rather know a fielder's shoe size than know his
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: actual fielding percentage. Look at defensive run saves, which is
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: put out by Sports Information Solutions and is published at
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: Baseball Reference. Use the StatCast data. Use baseball perspectives as
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: defensive numbers. Honestly, I use all of them. I try
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: to anyway. Sometimes it's just whatever. If I'm in fan
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: graphs or I'm in baseball savant or baseball reference, I'll
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: use the number that's in front of me, which is
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: where I tend to make my mistakes. But you want
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: to get as much information as possible. And frankly, don't
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: be afraid to use the eye test. I'm not voting
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: in the Fielding Bible Awards this year. I usually do, though.
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: I'm not doing it this year for scheduling reasons. But
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: I do take the eye test into account. It doesn't
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: outweigh everything. But say for the sake of argument, I've
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: got three numbers that are telling you slightly different things.
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: I trust my– say, hey, look, what do I see
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: with this player? Now, I watch a lot of baseball,
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: but here's the thing. The numbers watch all the baseball.
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: I might see, just to pick a name, Cole Young
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: make 75 plays over the course of a season.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: The, the, the numbers are going to see not just
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: the place he's made, but the place he could have
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: made or the place that he really had no chance
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: to make because the ball was hit at 108 miles
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: an hour. So I think that's, that's where the numbers,
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: the numbers see everything. And I know it's hard for
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: two reasons. One, The defensive statistics that we have got,
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: it's 440. I'm so sorry. The defensive stats we have
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: are not perfect, which is why you want to use
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: as many of them as possible. And that's where it
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: gets to, well, this number tells me one thing and
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: this number tells me the other. So why should I
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: believe any of the numbers? Well, no, there's truth in
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: both of them. And you've got to figure it, you know,
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: you've got to kind of balance them out. So, you know,
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: sometimes it's a peak for Armstrong where the numbers in
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: the eye test tell you he's great. And you just, that's,
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: that's the easy part, but most players are not that easy. So,
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: I also prefer, just to make this last point, I
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: like using collective defensive numbers because there is interplay between fielders.
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: And this is something that SIS measures. The effects of
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: positioning are incredibly important now, data-driven positioning. Even though you
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: can't fully shift, teams are using the data based on
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: where the batters are supposed to hit the ball to
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: position their fielders. And there are differences in the skills
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: of the teams at doing that. So we're not just
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: measuring individuals anymore. We're measuring individuals and how the team
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: positions them.
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• 31:13
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• 31:16
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• 31:18
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• 31:22
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• 31:27
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• 31:30
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• 31:32
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• 31:35
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• 31:37
  Speaker 5: the kind of year that they've had. So I'm going
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: to say the Rangers win the division. They don't win
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: the bye. The bye will be the Guardians in all likelihoods.
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• 32:17
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• 32:20
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• 32:22
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• 33:06
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  Speaker 2: KJR FM. Kraken actually opened up the regular season in
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: nine days, believe it or not, a week from Thursday.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: They're having their big event right now for the media,
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: showing them all the new food, which you and I.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: I was supposed to be at.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you would have been there if you didn't switch shows.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: I was supposed to be there as well, but we
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: had some challenges in the remote engineering world with some
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: other things that were a priority other than feeding me.
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: I mean, do you know that last year they had
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: those oysters with like the.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: I still think about them.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: Chef Molly is so good.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: I still think about walking into those oysters and the mignonette. Oh,
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: my God, they were so good. And I'm not even
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: an oyster fan. I would have eaten a million of them.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: I just– The executive chef for Climate Pledge Arena, Chef
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Molly Demers, is amazing. I love her. She's so much fun.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: I just like hanging out with her. She's got energy
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: for years.
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and on top of that, she'll cook you a
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: bomb-ass meal.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: We had her on set for the TV last year.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: She spent almost a year developing the pizza crust. You
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: know how the Marys have their little hidden drink thing?
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: There's a... If you go upstairs, there's a space in
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: the lounge. There's a little... Right before you walk into
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: the left, there's like a little window bar area. It's
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: just for food. And they have... Maybe the best pizza
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: in Seattle there. Sensational.
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: I will say, by the way, I just found out
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: about the Mariner's drink thing like three weeks ago.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, my wife and I tried to find it. Where
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: is it at?
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: I think it's on the level above the pen.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I should be smarter than that.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: I know, I need to find it. The games I
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: went to.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: This year, I never found it, and I didn't look
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: that hard because then I say, oh, well, I can
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: just get that Bodhi Zafa right there.
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: But I'm going to find the pizza during the Kraken season.
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: That's high on the priority list.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: It's so good.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: That's high on the priority list.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: Crack it. Very short preseason. 84-game schedule up from 82.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: The last cup forever. Increase this kind of NFL-like. Let's
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: increase the regular season and get rid of a couple
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: preseason games. So go from six to four preseason, 82
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: to 84 regular season games. There's some. Rod Brindamore, the
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: head coach of the defending Stanley Cup champions, Carolina Panthers, said,
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: screw it, let's just play all the games that matter.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: We don't need preseason at all. Jordan Eberle, Kraken captain,
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: was asked about the shortened preseason and shortened preseason games.
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: I mean, so far I've liked it.
• 35:25
  Speaker 7: I think in today's day, you know, guys come into camp,
• 35:28
  Speaker 7: they're ready to go, they're in shape, they've done a
• 35:31
  Speaker 7: lot of off-season training and skating, and maybe as years pass,
• 35:36
  Speaker 7: I'm talking way years past, you know, that wasn't the case.
• 35:38
  Speaker 7: They came into camp to get into shape.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, I think.
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: You know, it.
• 35:43
  Speaker 7: Negates, obviously, even last year for us, we had some
• 35:46
  Speaker 7: injury problems that we went through in camp. And, you know,
• 35:51
  Speaker 7: I like it. I think, you know, like I just said,
• 35:53
  Speaker 7: we're ready to go once we get here. And, you know,
• 35:56
  Speaker 7: as much as we've had practice time and you're trying
• 35:58
  Speaker 7: to get things down, it's hard to simulate real game action.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: Probably different, too, if you have a new coach, new
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: coaching staff, the systems you want to get put in,
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: your penalty kill, your power play and all that. But,
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, Kraken are going to have, like, one new
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: player that wasn't here last year on their roster. And
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: it's the same coaching, well, same head coach and only
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: one new assistant coach. So yeah, I, I see that.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: I can feel that. I'm ready. Just nobody, nobody likes
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: preseason anything.
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: No. And, and that's, yeah, across all sports, the athletes
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: don't like it. They're like, no, I just want to play.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: NFL's crazy long. NFL, I just, we started, what was it?
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: The last week in September or sorry, July. And then
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: the first preseason game is like two and a half,
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: three weeks later. And then by the time you get
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: to that, oh, thank God, it's football. Here come the Cowboys.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: And then you're like, God, this is awful too.
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: Right. Well, and you even have two weeks basically from
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: the final preseason game.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just so long.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: Well, and the Kraken played two rookie games in Vancouver
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: that don't count in the preseason with all the kids.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: A couple of those guys stuck around, and then they
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: played two preseason games last weekend, back-to-back Saturday, Sunday, and
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: neither one of those– there's like two players, three, maybe
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: four max combined from those two games are going to
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: play in the regular season for this team. It's just like,
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: what would it, and that's, that's very NFL like, so
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: I'm with Jordan. We don't need it. Get rid of it.
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: Be done. Okay.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: Take a break. Come back. John Lund. And we've got
• 37:21
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• 37:24
  Speaker 3: Ooh, exciting.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: I would almost call it booze news.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: It's my favorite.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: I know it is.
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: That's next.