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#1922 How Much Do We Really Know? - Dr. Cam McDonald · The You Project

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Speaker 1: I get a team, I'll come to another instorming the
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Speaker 1: you project. Doctor Cam's back. I don't want to say
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Speaker 1: he's our favorite because all of the others will get
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Speaker 1: upset and hurt because they're all precious little tights. But
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Speaker 1: he's right near the top of the list. But before
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Speaker 1: we go to him, who looks like he's sitting in
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Speaker 1: some fucking intergalactic space station, I might say, we'll go
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Speaker 1: to the girl over there there that just smashed my
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Speaker 1: emotions not more than ninety seconds ago and essentially told
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Speaker 1: me I'm a piece of shit, so I wouldn't do
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Speaker 1: the same to you. But well, now he does look
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Speaker 1: into galactic Hi.
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Speaker 2: Tiff I just want to tell team typ out there
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Speaker 2: listening that probably the first time I've ever heard you're
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Speaker 2: not be self deprecating. And I jumped on it, and
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Speaker 2: then I was like, oh, that's he's never not nasty
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Speaker 2: to himself, and now you've just pummeled him for it,
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Speaker 2: and I felt immediately felt bad.
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Speaker 1: Do you know what that is? That's that's God convicting you,
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Speaker 1: so you probably need to repent. And oh, dear hi,
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Speaker 1: doctor Cam, how are.
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Speaker 3: You, hello, Craig, Hello Tiffany, I'm wonderfully. Well, thanks, do.
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Speaker 1: You have any I know, we opened the spirituality door
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Speaker 1: a little bit. We just fucking you just opened it,
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Speaker 1: put your foot in, your toe in, and we just
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Speaker 1: had a bit of a do you ever have you
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Speaker 1: ever been in your life? Particularly maybe you've told me
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Speaker 1: this and I can't remember. I'm sixty one. That's my excuse.
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Speaker 1: Have you ever been religious at all? I mean in
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Speaker 1: the organized religion sense. No, I know what you mean.
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Speaker 1: I'm just thinking.
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Speaker 3: You know, we went to Sunday school, and I went
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Speaker 3: to a school where I was sitting in a chapel
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Speaker 3: three times a week, so I'm unversed with the verses,
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Speaker 3: if that makes sense. I never did. I never got
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Speaker 3: it was probably never off my own volition that I
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Speaker 3: went right into it. I've probably been exploring more spirituality
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Speaker 3: rather than relig and I guess is where I sit now,
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Speaker 3: it's all what I find is well, particularly Christianity, is
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Speaker 3: it's be really good to people and deferential to like
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Speaker 3: that you're not the only thing on this planet. I
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Speaker 3: think that's a really I think they're really really good
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Speaker 3: principles and so, and I feel like that weaves its
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Speaker 3: way through a lot of spirituality. As well, just without
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Speaker 3: the without the book, I.
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Speaker 1: Guess I feel the same. I've done a bit of
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Speaker 1: reading in that particular text, that theological text to which
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Speaker 1: you refer, and I always say to people, probably not
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Speaker 1: so much the Old Testament, shout out to our Jewish friends,
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Speaker 1: but in terms of living day to day in twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty five. And also there's a lot of wisdom and
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Speaker 1: insight in the Old Testament too, of course, but probably
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Speaker 1: more specific to if you just read the New Testament,
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Speaker 1: and some of them like verbs and psalms, and some
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Speaker 1: of the like the first five books of the Old Testament,
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Speaker 1: which is Genesis, Exodust, Levitica's numbers, Deuteronomy which they called
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Speaker 1: the Pentachua, right, and also that is I think is
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Speaker 1: the first five books that Torah in Judaism, cam do
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Speaker 1: you know anyway, I'm not any anyway anyway like that.
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Speaker 1: There's some like really heavy shit, right, I'm sure God
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Speaker 1: wouldn't call it that, But in the New Testament writing.
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Speaker 3: This is going to be some heavy ship for the.
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Imagine if Genesis started. Look,
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Speaker 1: this is going to be pretty fucking heavy. So batten
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Speaker 1: down the hatches, get ready, you know, instead of in
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Speaker 1: the beginning, yeah, he said, look, before we get to that,
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Speaker 1: I just want to give you a heads up on
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Speaker 1: what's coming so you can emotionally and mentally prepare yourself.
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Speaker 1: Maybe I should write that, was I going to say? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: But like the New Testament, there's just a lot of
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Speaker 1: you know, kind of hey, be a good human, don't
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Speaker 1: be a prick, you know, think about others, have a
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Speaker 1: purpose bigger than yourself, and you know all that kind
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Speaker 1: of other awareness stuff that we talk about in psychology,
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Speaker 1: and you know, just like there's got to just a
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Speaker 1: lot of good generic messages that aren't the worst things
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Speaker 1: to live by.
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Speaker 3: Are the great things to live by? Absolutely? Yes, the no,
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Speaker 3: I agree, I agree, And probably where the I get
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Speaker 3: fascinated with the idea of choice and fate and coincidences,
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Speaker 3: universal happenings, whatever it may be. But I I guess
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Speaker 3: most people around the world considerate that there is something
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Speaker 3: greater than themselves. There's you know, the minority are atheists,
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Speaker 3: So the majority of us all believe that there's something above,
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Speaker 3: something around us, whatever they may be. And I really
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Speaker 3: like the idea then that, well, if there's something that's
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Speaker 3: greater than us, then there's a above ourselves as a
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Speaker 3: greater purpose, as a purpose that we have on this planet.
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Speaker 3: And I find that that where I found that very
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Speaker 3: very interesting in the work that we're doing is if
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Speaker 3: there is a purpose why you're here, let's say a
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Speaker 3: divinity to that, and you were here to experience a
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Speaker 3: particular thing and to impact things in a particular way,
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Speaker 3: which is something that you could draw from all of that,
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Speaker 3: then would you go about making a body and a
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Speaker 3: brain that allows you to fulfill that purpose? All of
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Speaker 3: these things are partly created. And this is where I
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Speaker 3: find it fascinating with biology. You know, Eddie Hall was
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Speaker 3: definitely here to lift heavy stuff, you know, whereas the
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Speaker 3: person who won the high jump is definitely not. And
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Speaker 3: that's intention, that purpose and when people are in their flow,
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Speaker 3: and you know, I guess we spoke about this a
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Speaker 3: little bit last time with purpose as well, but I
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Speaker 3: find there's a fact that that's a lot of the
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Speaker 3: science that we've been looking at as well is how
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Speaker 3: can you depict purpose from biology? And there's a really
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Speaker 3: interesting connection with higher levels to that as well.
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Speaker 1: Could I take it a further step with Eddie Hall,
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Speaker 1: By the way, everyone Eddie Hall is he competes in
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Speaker 1: the World's Strongest Man events and is renowned and regarded
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Speaker 1: as one of the greatest of all time. And as
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Speaker 1: doctor Cam said, just a monster, a monster of a
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Speaker 1: man and a monstrously strong man. But maybe maybe we
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Speaker 1: could go maybe his purpose wasn't to lift heavy things.
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Speaker 1: Maybe his gift is to lift heavy things. And in
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Speaker 1: that profile and that brand and that recognition and that audience,
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Speaker 1: that gives him a platform to share his message or
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Speaker 1: his purpose or his reason. I know what I mean.
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Speaker 1: Maybe that's just that maybe the conduit between him and
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Speaker 1: humanity and the message. I don't know. I'm just saying, like,
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Speaker 1: I don't think I was born to talk, but I
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Speaker 1: think maybe because I have, I better be careful because
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Speaker 1: Tiff will shoot me down. I'm just fucking with you.
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Speaker 1: Because I have an ability to talk and communicate. That's
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Speaker 1: the tool that I have to use to maybe live
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Speaker 1: my purpose, whatever that is.
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Speaker 3: Yes, and that's where I you know, if there was,
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Speaker 3: but there's for me, there's a belief that there is
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Speaker 3: a purpose to the how, not just to the to
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Speaker 3: the what.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Yes, and that's where Eddie Hall's how is. He was
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Speaker 3: born with this body that could just get really really strong,
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Speaker 3: and no matter how much training I did, my body,
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Speaker 3: my bone structure wouldn't be able to tolerate that kind
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Speaker 3: of weight and I would break very quickly. So the yeah,
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Speaker 3: it's interesting, that is where I'm fascinated. And then it's
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Speaker 3: interesting you're actually saying this. I was literally yesterday's as
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Speaker 3: part of my homework from obviously the experience that I
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Speaker 3: shared with you last time is what do I actually
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Speaker 3: believe about these things? And probably what are my beliefs
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Speaker 3: of the way things work. And I've had a fair
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Speaker 3: bit of information that's been provided to me, books and
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Speaker 3: people and all that sort of stuff that I agree
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Speaker 3: with in many cases. The but what I've found myself
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Speaker 3: really fascinated by was this idea of like in some
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Speaker 3: belief systems as rituality, there's this universe and then there's
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Speaker 3: an infinite amount of multiverses and then within that container
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Speaker 3: that infinite container. Outside of that container, there's infinite multiverses
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Speaker 3: like multi multi meta multiverses or whatever it may be,
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Speaker 3: and then outside that is nothingness and everythingness or whatever.
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Speaker 3: That's one way of how people can reflect on this information,
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Speaker 3: and then at that level time doesn't exist. Because time's
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Speaker 3: just another dimension, and so everything's happening that has ever
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Speaker 3: happened and will ever happen right now. So what's the point?
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Speaker 3: You know what I mean? It really makes it, But
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Speaker 3: then you've got to and I was trying to unpick that.
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Speaker 3: It's like, because there's a very real reality of being
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Speaker 3: on the planet and having this experience, and what do
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Speaker 3: we do with this experience and what are all of
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Speaker 3: the markers that we can measure to say that we're
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Speaker 3: on track. It's the physiology of love and flow and happiness,
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Speaker 3: and we're spoken about this previously too. That's this game
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Speaker 3: in this reality right now. And what I've been thinking
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Speaker 3: about as well is that the closer you get to
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Speaker 3: your physiological best, the least disrupted you are in connecting
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Speaker 3: with your higher realms. That's what I've been because as
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Speaker 3: people sort of get into bad behaviors and they go
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Speaker 3: into significant stress, there's just an incredible amount of focus
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Speaker 3: on their physical self and I've just got to survive.
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Speaker 3: But as people become more healthy, more well, more less
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Speaker 3: limited in their physicality, this is when they start creating
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Speaker 3: greater access to greater information or to their higher cognitive
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Speaker 3: centers and then I guess the spirituality and higher consciousness,
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Speaker 3: whatever that may be. So it's as I've been sort
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Speaker 3: of unpacking these things, you know, what are we actually
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Speaker 3: here for? And my thoughts are at this point, So
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Speaker 3: I definitely didn't think we've been talking about this today.
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Speaker 3: The more aligned you are with purpose, with how with
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Speaker 3: what you're doing with the relationships, like, the more connected
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Speaker 3: you are, the more access you have to everything in existence.
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Speaker 3: And so that's the game that we're playing.
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Speaker 1: Hmmm. You know, he's the interesting I mean, there are
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Speaker 1: so many interesting things about as you were saying that
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Speaker 1: about the better our body is, the more access we've
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Speaker 1: got this and that. On a level, and I don't
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Speaker 1: disagree with you, but on a level, I'm like, that
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Speaker 1: makes sense. But then I think about back, so I think,
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Speaker 1: you know, back in the day, I was quite churchy,
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Speaker 1: but I went to a really weird church. Right, let's
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Speaker 1: call it a cult. Okay, let's call it that. And
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Speaker 1: my pastor was this old dude who was not particularly
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Speaker 1: well had emphasema was old, was well. He was the
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Speaker 1: closest thing that I ever met who was essentially a
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Speaker 1: hotline to God. Yes, now he was old week for
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Speaker 1: feeble he could he could, you know, explain the Bible
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Speaker 1: to you. He knew every verse in the Bible, every
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Speaker 1: you know, all the Greek, all the the Latin, all
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Speaker 1: the bloody whatever it was originally written in and and
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Speaker 1: but quite the opposite of what you're describing, right, So
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Speaker 1: I I also think there's you know, like one of
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Speaker 1: the challenges for us. And by the way, everybody, if
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Speaker 1: you're not interested in this sea tomorrow, it's been great
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Speaker 1: new project. It's Tiff and Harps and doctor Cam because
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Speaker 1: some people right now like fuck and hell but and
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Speaker 1: I get it. But if it's for you, stick around.
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Speaker 1: But here's my thing, right, We're really like, you're one
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Speaker 1: of the smartest people I know, and I said that
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Speaker 1: to you before, and we love you being on the show,
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Speaker 1: and I respect you, and I'm not a dummy. I'm
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Speaker 1: not a genius, tips not a dummy. But we don't
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Speaker 1: know fucking anything compared with what there is to know. Yes,
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Speaker 1: Like all we're doing is theorizing about multi universes and
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Speaker 1: there well all of that, and you're right, but it's
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Speaker 1: then we're trying to analyze stuff which really is illogical
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Speaker 1: in many ways, and we're looking at a spiritual construct
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Speaker 1: or idea through a quite often an academic lens or
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Speaker 1: a logical Oh, that doesn't make any sense. Like when
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Speaker 1: we say that doesn't make sense, we're basically saying to me,
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Speaker 1: I don't understand that, and within the framework of what
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Speaker 1: I call possible or logical or reasonable, it doesn't fit
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Speaker 1: in there. Therefore that's bullshit, or therefore that's illogical, and
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Speaker 1: it's this is I reckon. This is the ever present challenge.
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Speaker 1: Is we're all such cognitive creatures. We're all such reasonable, sociological, psychological,
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Speaker 1: practical creatures, not all of us all the time. But
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Speaker 1: trying to understand something that's none of that is a challenge, right.
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Speaker 1: It's like trying to understand the mind using the mind
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Speaker 1: as the fucking tool to analyze the mind, but times infinity.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the idea of belief is so separate to
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Speaker 3: the cognitive construct anyway, you know.
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Speaker 1: That's the And it's like I've said many times, I'll
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Speaker 1: shut up after this, But it's like some like I
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Speaker 1: know that I can pick up my phone and I
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Speaker 1: can call Tiff and she's going to answer the phone.
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Speaker 1: I don't know how the fuck that works. If somebody
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Speaker 1: said to me, Craig explain in some detail what's going on.
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Speaker 1: I couldn't explain in any detail how that works, right,
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Speaker 1: But I don't need to understand how it works to
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Speaker 1: be able to tap into it. Yeah, I can benefit
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Speaker 1: from this thing that I have, which to me is
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Speaker 1: essentially analogous to mystical and magical. Like to me because
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Speaker 1: I don't know, and I just push these buttons and
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Speaker 1: Tiff goes, what do you want? I'm like, I've got
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Speaker 1: no idea how that happens, but I can use that
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Speaker 1: every day. And that's my kind of analogy with the
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Speaker 1: mystical and not so much magical but perhaps spiritual.
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Speaker 3: You know, it's so interesting you talk about that in
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Speaker 3: that way. It's like, well, this is the practical reality
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Speaker 3: of it. Luck, just get on and play the game,
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Speaker 3: don't be an asshole to people, and live a life
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Speaker 3: that makes you happy. And I'll actually speak to a
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Speaker 3: really good friend of mine, and I know that you've
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Speaker 3: been predicted as a connector in previous podcasts. She's a
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Speaker 3: connector as well, and she was saying exactly, I think
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Speaker 3: it's just like it's just practical, get on with it.
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Speaker 3: It's meant to be fun. I'm like, no, but I've
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Speaker 3: got to I got to understand the wise, you know,
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Speaker 3: like this is the search that it has because I
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Speaker 3: need that whatever that sits behind that. But I find
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Speaker 3: that very interesting. Getting back to your point about the
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Speaker 3: person with the gift who was incredibly connected is I
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Speaker 3: feel like from my experience and meeting, like I've met
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Speaker 3: the two spiritual leaders of a particular country and they
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Speaker 3: are just on another planet as far as their insights
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Speaker 3: and what they can say, and absolutely incredible what they
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Speaker 3: could deduce, what they're bringing down, how they simplify things
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Speaker 3: and the easiest way possible. But it is so profound,
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Speaker 3: and that just penetrates you further than the longer you
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Speaker 3: get to reflect on it. It's absolutely fascinating.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's where the profundity lives. Like where
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Speaker 1: the profound like the simpler. It is like when people
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Speaker 1: tell you amazing shit in simple ways, I'm like, I
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Speaker 1: want to be more like you. One, thank you for
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Speaker 1: sharing that with me. And two, fuck, that would have
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Speaker 1: taken me ten minutes and everyone would have been confused,
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Speaker 1: and it took you ten seconds. And I'm enlightened. Like
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Speaker 1: that's a gift.
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Speaker 3: That's a gift exactly. And this is one of the
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Speaker 3: house because just like Eddie Hall's got a gift, like,
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Speaker 3: there is no way that I could lift five hundred
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Speaker 3: kilograms off the ground a few times. It's not a chance.
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Speaker 3: Like some people have this gift that's they're just way
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Speaker 3: more tapped in. And it was interesting. I was speaking
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Speaker 3: to one of them. I go, how did you know
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Speaker 3: that you were going to be like this type of healer? Yeah,
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Speaker 3: and he's because he went around and did a whole
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Speaker 3: bunch of stuff to people in a very strange fashion
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Speaker 3: that was absolutely mind blowing. And he said it was
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Speaker 3: from young I have the eyes of a healer, Like
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Speaker 3: people could see my eyes, they recognized my eyes, like
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Speaker 3: this was something that I was born into. It wasn't
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Speaker 3: something that I learned. It was something that I got
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Speaker 3: identified and then I was able to use that as well.
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Speaker 3: And so just like people have physical gifts, I'd see
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Speaker 3: your priest as a person that's got that gift, and
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Speaker 3: I'd be fascinated. Is if he took care of himself,
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Speaker 3: what would happen? Yeah, And just like I could if
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Speaker 3: I was sick and almost dying of COVID, I could
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Speaker 3: talk about personalized health. That's just it's an easy thing
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Speaker 3: that I could do because that's just where my love
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Speaker 3: and my passion is. But I just I'm better at
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Speaker 3: it when I'm healthy again. So I.
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Speaker 1: Sorry, I was just going to say. I remember one
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Speaker 1: day being at church. I was in my early twenties,
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Speaker 1: and I was always a bit cheeky and I could
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Speaker 1: always communicate quite well and all of that, but insecure,
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Speaker 1: you know, all the bullshit, all the emotional, psychological, all
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Speaker 1: the issues inskewe a self doubt, wanted everyone to love me,
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Speaker 1: you know, fucking body, all of it, right, But what
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Speaker 1: I could do is if somebody had a bit of
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Speaker 1: a go at me, I would come back with like
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Speaker 1: heavy artillery, verbal artillery, and I would decimate them, and
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Speaker 1: my rational well fuck them they started. It's like, well,
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Speaker 1: if you're going to start, I'm going to finish it right.
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Speaker 1: And I could do that. And clearly that's not a
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Speaker 1: nice thing or a good thing, but it was. My
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Speaker 1: thing was Oh it's always you know, it's fun. And anyway,
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Speaker 1: one day we were standing around, we were in a group.
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Speaker 1: Someone said something. I said something back, and a couple
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Speaker 1: of minutes later I just saw his name's passed Milton
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Speaker 1: past Milton just floating around and I just had this
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Speaker 1: feeling he's floating around for me and he'd heard it
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Speaker 1: or part of it, and he called me over and
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Speaker 1: I'm like, fuck, he called me over and he goes
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Speaker 1: he used to call everyone dear one, Like dear one.
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Speaker 1: He'd say dear one and I'd go yes, pastor he'd
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Speaker 1: say now, he said, you have a gift. He said,
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Speaker 1: you have a gift, and you need to decide if
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Speaker 1: you're going to tear people down or build them up
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Speaker 1: with that gift. Okay, And I said okay, and then
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Speaker 1: he just walked off. I'm like, fuck, I took seven seconds.
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Speaker 1: That said everything in seven seconds and then just walked
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Speaker 1: away like Yoda into a cloud.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, that is and I knew exactly what he meant.
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Speaker 1: And he's like, you need to decide if you're going
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Speaker 1: to tear people down or build them up. I'm like, okay,
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Speaker 1: I'll try to do option B. I'll do my very
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Speaker 1: best to go guarantee. Yeah, no guarantees because I'm flawed.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, I think it's a really interesting door to open,
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Speaker 1: you know. And two, I think also the I don't
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Speaker 1: know if it's it's a human thing or a me thing.
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Speaker 1: And a few people that I've spoken to, but I think,
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Speaker 1: let me know what you two think. But I feel
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Speaker 1: like it's a human thing that we don't like not
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Speaker 1: knowing stuff, so we like to have an opinion.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 1: It's like people get frustrated when they ask me what
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Speaker 1: do I think? Not that I get asked a lot,
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Speaker 1: but I've been asked quite a few times over the journey,
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Speaker 1: what do you think happens when we die? And I
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Speaker 1: literally go, I don't know, and they're so disappointed. I go, well, firstly,
20:32
Speaker 1: I do not know. Of course I don't know. Secondly,
20:36
Speaker 1: this is what I would like to happen, you know,
20:40
Speaker 1: like to come back as a fucking unicorn or whatever.
20:44
Speaker 1: You know. But yeah, here's a working theory of mine
20:49
Speaker 1: based on nothing really other than a hunt or intuition
20:53
Speaker 1: or I don't know, you know, but that's the truth.
20:56
Speaker 1: But like to go, I don't know. People don't like
21:00
Speaker 1: everyone wants to be right, and everyone wants certainty because
21:03
Speaker 1: our brain loves certainty and predictability and all of that shit.
21:06
Speaker 1: So when you go, I don't know. But the funny
21:10
Speaker 1: thing is it's in all the uns uncertain, unfamiliar, uncomfortable
21:14
Speaker 1: that we grow the most. I think, yeah, you know,
21:18
Speaker 1: and trying to find certainty in the middle of what
21:21
Speaker 1: is absolute uncertainty for all of us. So rather than
21:24
Speaker 1: I think if we're driven by curiosity, it's a better driver.
21:28
Speaker 3: One hundred per cent. Yes. And probably the word that's
21:33
Speaker 3: been very useful for me is preferences, not expectations, right,
21:38
Speaker 3: And it's whatever with the degree of uncertainty that all
21:43
Speaker 3: things have. Like a big part of my brain, my
21:45
Speaker 3: brain loves certainty, particularly like I'm genetically built for give
21:49
Speaker 3: me certainty so they know exactly what I'm doing is
21:53
Speaker 3: the right thing. And what it did for a long
21:55
Speaker 3: time is that that would ruin me because I would
21:57
Speaker 3: create certainty I'm going to go do this, and then
22:00
Speaker 3: I would go through the process and I wouldn't get
22:02
Speaker 3: the thing, and I'd be devastated and I'd be very
22:06
Speaker 3: demotivated because I expected. And what I found was that
22:11
Speaker 3: expectation creates either relief or pain. You don't get lots
22:17
Speaker 3: of joy out of expecting something in it coming true.
22:20
Speaker 3: And so a mentor of mindset, try preferences instead. And
22:27
Speaker 3: I really prefer this to happen. I'm going to try
22:30
Speaker 3: and do everything that I possibly can with what I've got,
22:33
Speaker 3: and I'm really going to prefer this outcome. And that
22:36
Speaker 3: was an absolute game changer for the uncertainty and it's
22:41
Speaker 3: it just yeah, it just creates this wonderful joy when
22:44
Speaker 3: good things go down, but also like a less attachment
22:48
Speaker 3: when things don't.
22:51
Speaker 1: What about the propensity that we have to expect people
22:55
Speaker 1: to be a certain way based on how we think
22:59
Speaker 1: they should be, Do you know what I mean?
23:02
Speaker 3: It's like people about this all the time.
23:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, why aren't you more like I think you
23:07
Speaker 1: should be? Why are you like you? And when I
23:11
Speaker 1: say to people, obviously, the best predictor of future behavior
23:14
Speaker 1: is past behavior. That's not up for debate. That doesn't
23:18
Speaker 1: mean that they can't change or they won't be different today.
23:21
Speaker 1: It means, you know, if there've been a certain way
23:24
Speaker 1: the last four hundred times that you encounter them, there's
23:27
Speaker 1: a high level of probability they'll be very similar, if
23:30
Speaker 1: not identical, today, Right, So that's cool, that's not good
23:33
Speaker 1: or bad, that's just kind of logic. But then where
23:38
Speaker 1: despite those last four hundred encounters, we still expect that
23:43
Speaker 1: person to be different to us today, or to say
23:46
Speaker 1: the thing that they never say that we want them
23:48
Speaker 1: to say. And then when they don't say the thing
23:51
Speaker 1: that they're not going to fucking say, but they don't
23:53
Speaker 1: say the thing, we get disappointed again and we go
23:57
Speaker 1: they let me down. And then when I go, no,
24:02
Speaker 1: they were just them. Your disappointment comes for this irrational
24:06
Speaker 1: expectation that you have. Now it doesn't mean it's unreasonable.
24:11
Speaker 1: And of course you want them to go, I appreciate you,
24:13
Speaker 1: you're amazing, well done. Of course you want that because
24:16
Speaker 1: you're human. But if they never do that, then it's
24:19
Speaker 1: probably not good to hang your emotional hat on that
24:23
Speaker 1: and as being you know the thing that's going to
24:26
Speaker 1: make you feel good today.
24:28
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And we see this really clearly in the different
24:32
Speaker 3: types of individuals that exists as well. So there's individuals
24:36
Speaker 3: that use more of their right temporal lobe to receive information.
24:44
Speaker 3: And what's happening at the right temporal lobe is I'm
24:46
Speaker 3: weighing up your tonality and I'm also trying to figure
24:50
Speaker 3: out your intention, and there's a judgmental component to that,
24:55
Speaker 3: whereas on left hand side is left temporal and if
24:58
Speaker 3: you're processing more through the left temper. You'll see people
25:01
Speaker 3: focus on language, but without the judgment. It's like I
25:04
Speaker 3: just want to hear your words. I just want to
25:06
Speaker 3: hear your grammar. I want to hear the punctuation. I
25:08
Speaker 3: want to hear what you're saying, and I want to listen.
25:11
Speaker 3: And we notice that people on the right, the people
25:17
Speaker 3: activators and crusaders in our model, they will be like,
25:21
Speaker 3: I can jump, so why the hell can't you jump?
25:24
Speaker 3: You know, there will be this expectation that I can
25:26
Speaker 3: do it, so that you can do it, whereas the
25:29
Speaker 3: guardian who's normally left temporal, they are so just like, oh,
25:35
Speaker 3: you can jump, that's so wonderful. I wouldn't want to jump,
25:39
Speaker 3: Like there's not that I don't need you to be anything.
25:41
Speaker 3: Some people are just here because they want us. They
25:44
Speaker 3: are naturally geared to support you. That's just the way
25:48
Speaker 3: that their brain works is like how can I find
25:50
Speaker 3: support for this individual? Whereas another person is how can
25:53
Speaker 3: I naturally find competition and rank within the world. And
25:57
Speaker 3: so even those little differences can really help you understand.
26:01
Speaker 3: Like even I look at my child because I'm a
26:04
Speaker 3: right temporal person, and when I look at my kids.
26:09
Speaker 3: I go, ah, when I was playing soccer, I'd be
26:11
Speaker 3: out there kicking the ball every afternoon, getting better at
26:14
Speaker 3: my skills. And my son doesn't want a bar of that.
26:18
Speaker 3: He wants to play soccer, he wants to be the
26:20
Speaker 3: next best thing, but he doesn't want to get out
26:22
Speaker 3: there and commit. And because he just his brain is
26:24
Speaker 3: geared for fun, freedom and pleasure. That's what he's looking for,
26:28
Speaker 3: whereas I'm looking for goals and outcomes and progression. And
26:32
Speaker 3: it's been such an interesting exercise and going, oh, my
26:35
Speaker 3: brain wants to see this, and I have to catch
26:38
Speaker 3: myself with I've been He's been my kid for ten
26:40
Speaker 3: years now and will be my kid for forever. But
26:46
Speaker 3: it's so interesting watching how my brain naturally goes to
26:49
Speaker 3: that's not how I would do it. And then my
26:51
Speaker 3: mouth fortunately has been trained to not say anything in
26:54
Speaker 3: that moment. And I'm getting to the point I was like, mate,
26:57
Speaker 3: just do it, do what makes it fun, and I'm
27:00
Speaker 3: I've had to really train myself out of that process
27:03
Speaker 3: of I expect a particular behavior from you. And it's
27:07
Speaker 3: been through that understanding of just the natural differences that
27:10
Speaker 3: we have as well. It's been profound for that kind
27:13
Speaker 3: of thing, and it makes for immediately better relationships, immediately
27:19
Speaker 3: less stress in your life. And the other thing that
27:21
Speaker 3: I'll say is that when I've been finding that I'm
27:25
Speaker 3: getting more judgmental for people, I now know that that's me.
27:30
Speaker 3: I'm not sitting in my best state. As soon as
27:32
Speaker 3: I'm in my best state, I don't I'm not holding
27:34
Speaker 3: judgment for them. And so if I've slipped with some
27:38
Speaker 3: of my behaviors, because I'm still in that process of
27:40
Speaker 3: I have to be quite firm with myself about if
27:43
Speaker 3: I want to hold this space of you know, just
27:49
Speaker 3: that a presence that's more accepting and more caring and
27:52
Speaker 3: more loving and more open and more just allowing people
27:55
Speaker 3: to be who they're going to be. I have to
27:57
Speaker 3: actually really get myself into the right space because I've
27:59
Speaker 3: had a lifetime of not being there automatically. And as
28:03
Speaker 3: soon as I slip back into that, I noticed that
28:05
Speaker 3: my judgment starts coming up again. And now I know,
28:08
Speaker 3: instead of like I need to get away from this person,
28:10
Speaker 3: I need to think, ah, like I actually need to
28:12
Speaker 3: check myself out, because the only reason I would have
28:14
Speaker 3: judgment is if I feel like I need something to
28:18
Speaker 3: be ranked, I need to be better, or things need
28:20
Speaker 3: to be better, or things need to be different. That's
28:22
Speaker 3: been a really big, a really big shift in the
28:26
Speaker 3: last couple of weeks. It's happened.
28:28
Speaker 1: So I'm just going to run through these. I'm doctor
28:31
Speaker 1: Cam's the guru in the space. Tip's a close second
28:35
Speaker 1: or third, and I'm a complete novice in this space.
28:37
Speaker 1: But I'm just going to So the six health types
28:42
Speaker 1: that you use in your system or methodology is sensor, diplomat, activate,
28:48
Speaker 1: a crusader, guardian, connector So I want to ask you
28:50
Speaker 1: a few questions relative to this kind of this model.
28:59
Speaker 1: Do you call it a model, do you call it system?
29:01
Speaker 3: What do you call it model?
29:02
Speaker 1: Let's call it model. So pH three sixty everybody, if
29:05
Speaker 1: you want to go check out read about what in
29:08
Speaker 1: doctor Cam's kind of models you are not just his
29:12
Speaker 1: everyone's model. Have a look. It's very very interesting. Okay.
29:16
Speaker 1: So one of the things that in fact, I need
29:20
Speaker 1: to be careful how I say this an interesting conversation
29:23
Speaker 1: this morning with someone that I know quite well, who
29:27
Speaker 1: I really hope they don't listen to this. It wasn't bad,
29:29
Speaker 1: but it was a little clunky and they said they
29:37
Speaker 1: wanted feedback, I gave them feedback, and it anyway, let's
29:44
Speaker 1: just say it all turned out fine. They're fine, I'm fine.
29:47
Speaker 1: It was all good. But it was just it was
29:49
Speaker 1: pretty clunky and interesting for a good half hour, right,
29:53
Speaker 1: And for a while there I'm like, well, fuck, I
29:54
Speaker 1: wish I didn't shut the fuck half pups. It's like,
29:58
Speaker 1: because my thinking is a lot of people who go,
30:02
Speaker 1: oh no, I really like feedback. They don't actually like feedback.
30:04
Speaker 1: They like praise, right. They want praise, they want endorsement,
30:08
Speaker 1: they want accolades, they want a bit of love, and
30:10
Speaker 1: of course I want that to write. So it's actually
30:13
Speaker 1: difficult for people when they get real feedback that is
30:18
Speaker 1: from the outside looking in, you know. And by the way,
30:21
Speaker 1: it's just, well, this is how I see it, So
30:23
Speaker 1: I could be wrong, But how I see it is
30:25
Speaker 1: how I see you. How I see this behavior, how
30:28
Speaker 1: I've observed you over time, is if you want my feedback,
30:31
Speaker 1: you know from looking through the Craig window here it
30:34
Speaker 1: is right now, that's people like, oh yeah, no, I
30:37
Speaker 1: want that. I want that, and then you give it
30:38
Speaker 1: to them like fuck you. Right, So it doesn't always
30:42
Speaker 1: go great. But my long winded question is of the
30:46
Speaker 1: six types health types, what are the ones that might
30:53
Speaker 1: really deal well, what's the one that might deal the
30:55
Speaker 1: best with feedback and the one that might be the worst.
30:58
Speaker 1: Do you think, TIF, I'm going to ask Tiff first.
31:02
Speaker 1: I don't know, is this above your pay grade? TIF,
31:04
Speaker 1: but you're pretty familiar. And then we'll get the guru
31:07
Speaker 1: who created it, like censor, diplomat, activator, crusader, guardian, connector
31:13
Speaker 1: who do you think might go the best with feedback
31:15
Speaker 1: and the worst? Do you have an idea?
31:17
Speaker 2: Well, I think more around how they might react, Like
31:22
Speaker 2: activators like myself are reactive, so we will say and
31:28
Speaker 2: then think later. So you might find that someone has
31:31
Speaker 2: a propensity to react immediately to the emotion that it
31:34
Speaker 2: brings up and then process it differently later. I don't know,
31:39
Speaker 2: I'm going to let can, I'm going to I want
31:41
Speaker 2: to hear what Cans said, go straight.
31:43
Speaker 1: To the source. All right, let's give us your wisdom,
31:45
Speaker 1: IBI one.
31:46
Speaker 3: All right, So there's a bit of a structure for this.
31:50
Speaker 3: And activators are hyper sensitive to feedback, so they are activators.
31:57
Speaker 3: Their fiery adrenal, they're reac active, and activators really need
32:04
Speaker 3: to feel like you are on their team. And also
32:06
Speaker 3: activators like figuring out their own solutions. So there's a.
32:15
Speaker 1: Okay, stop, stop, stop for one second. Okay, reactivators still
32:19
Speaker 1: on activators. And with that in mind, how would you
32:24
Speaker 1: advise me? Not that I'm thinking of an activator, not
32:27
Speaker 1: that I'm thinking no, I mean this is this is
32:31
Speaker 1: purely theoretical. But if I had to give you know,
32:35
Speaker 1: in some alternate reality, let's call her Jane, if I
32:41
Speaker 1: had to give feedback to an activator in this alternate reality,
32:45
Speaker 1: how would I go about that to produce the best
32:48
Speaker 1: outcome or at least not get punched in the face
32:51
Speaker 1: dot com?
32:51
Speaker 3: First question is how you're feeling. You've got to get
32:54
Speaker 3: their feelings vented first. So what's really important to an
32:58
Speaker 3: activator is that they've ex express themselves and they've been
33:02
Speaker 3: able to express themselves without judgment. That's really important. If
33:05
Speaker 3: there's been judgment, they'll suppress their anger for politeness and
33:09
Speaker 3: then it will come out and it'll just keep coming
33:10
Speaker 3: out in little fires. So the first thing to say, hey,
33:13
Speaker 3: how are you feeling? And you want to get a
33:14
Speaker 3: bit of a sense like are they fired up? Have
33:16
Speaker 3: they not had a snack in the last couple of hours.
33:18
Speaker 3: Like there's factors here as to how well they're going
33:21
Speaker 3: to take it on because they're very angry people. I
33:23
Speaker 3: mean that quite genuinely. If they haven't had food, it
33:25
Speaker 3: can completely disregulate their psychology. So I won't to go
33:28
Speaker 3: do too detailed on this, but the.
33:30
Speaker 1: So tip one bring feedback and snacks.
33:34
Speaker 3: Yeah it snacks, and say just firstly, check in on
33:36
Speaker 3: how they're feeling. So and get them to express they're like, oh, yeah,
33:39
Speaker 3: we were doing this. How do you reckon it went? Like,
33:41
Speaker 3: get their take on it first, Like it's really important
33:44
Speaker 3: to see how it's going first. Secondly, say well, I
33:47
Speaker 3: want you to know like you and me are on
33:49
Speaker 3: this together and we've got to figure this thing out.
33:51
Speaker 3: Can we do that for a second, so it's I
33:54
Speaker 3: am on your team and we're together. That's so critical
33:58
Speaker 3: because activators, their steroid production will naturally go into contest.
34:04
Speaker 3: Even on bloods, we see they have higher iron levels
34:07
Speaker 3: and there's an interesting correlation between steroids and iron and
34:10
Speaker 3: confrontational so they naturally hold a little bit more. They've
34:15
Speaker 3: naturally got more steroid. It's very easy for them to
34:18
Speaker 3: go into nap just because I want to disagree with you,
34:22
Speaker 3: just because. And so the place you need to end
34:23
Speaker 3: of the conversation is you and me. We're on the
34:27
Speaker 3: same team. We've got a problem that we've got to
34:28
Speaker 3: fix together. Can we do that now? It's like yes, right,
34:32
Speaker 3: no matter what, you're with me, great, this is what
34:35
Speaker 3: went down. What's your take on it? So it's super objective.
34:40
Speaker 3: What are your feelings because they're feelings for the activator,
34:43
Speaker 3: and until all of the feelings have been emptied, you're
34:45
Speaker 3: not going to get their logic. So you have to
34:48
Speaker 3: keep saying, how do you feel about it? Great? Blah
34:50
Speaker 3: blah blah blah blah, great, awesome, what do you reckon?
34:55
Speaker 3: We do next time? You know, and if the feedback
34:58
Speaker 3: needs to be direct, like yep, from out like if
35:01
Speaker 3: I like through our team perspective, what we needed was this,
35:05
Speaker 3: this and this, how do you reckon? We would do
35:07
Speaker 3: that again next time. So it's at the end of
35:09
Speaker 3: the day because they are sensitive to feedback. You want
35:14
Speaker 3: them to solve their own problems, but you need you
35:18
Speaker 3: need an expression of emotion first that gets rid of
35:21
Speaker 3: the adrenaline, that gets rid of the contest. It's team
35:24
Speaker 3: based stuff. It's explaining the situation and if they need
35:28
Speaker 3: more educations, they actually do. You know what happened here,
35:31
Speaker 3: this happened, and then this happened, and this happened, which
35:34
Speaker 3: is just how it happens. And what connectors and activators
35:38
Speaker 3: like saying is it is what it is. That's what
35:40
Speaker 3: they love saying as well, it is what it is.
35:42
Speaker 3: So you can say it is what it is? What
35:44
Speaker 3: would we do next time? So and then they're in
35:47
Speaker 3: their own mind solving the problem for the team. Like
35:50
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, activators their their relationship
35:56
Speaker 3: to time is now. Putting them back into the past
36:00
Speaker 3: to rehash all of their memories can actually just be
36:04
Speaker 3: it can feel irritating and to say, hey, in three
36:08
Speaker 3: months time, we've got to do something else. It's like
36:10
Speaker 3: this what we're doing three months that's irritating as well.
36:12
Speaker 3: I've got energy for right now, so let's discuss it
36:15
Speaker 3: as it's happening right now. The more you try and
36:17
Speaker 3: drag them back into the past and how they you'll
36:19
Speaker 3: pull up their feelings from the past, which can then
36:22
Speaker 3: be destructive to the conversation as well. So that would
36:24
Speaker 3: be my first my first step through for the activator.
36:27
Speaker 3: How does that land for you? Guys?
36:30
Speaker 1: Oh, I see what you did there? It lands for me?
36:33
Speaker 1: I see what you did there? How does it land?
36:35
Speaker 1: How do you feel about that? Tip? Does it land
36:38
Speaker 1: for you?
36:39
Speaker 3: Oh?
36:39
Speaker 2: I feel seen and heard? Wow, enthusiastic. I'm just trying
36:43
Speaker 2: to think about how I'll applied. It's all moving forward.
36:46
Speaker 1: Okay. So we've dealt with the high management one, just
36:51
Speaker 1: fucking with you, So who would be it? Who would
36:53
Speaker 1: be somebody that you maybe you can just be a
36:57
Speaker 1: little bit more direct and overt if at all a time.
37:00
Speaker 3: So there's the thing. It's the directness, which is it
37:04
Speaker 3: can be the issue for like, the person who's most
37:07
Speaker 3: open to feedback is the diplomat, which is the opposite
37:10
Speaker 3: to the activator. The diplomat is constantly searching for the
37:14
Speaker 3: infinite possibilities that could be considered. So that's their brain.
37:18
Speaker 3: They're constantly filling in their tree of knowledge. They want
37:21
Speaker 3: to immerse in more knowledge and more ways and more understandings.
37:25
Speaker 3: And so when you explain that there's a different way
37:27
Speaker 3: to do something, that totally matches their brain to say, oh,
37:31
Speaker 3: I'm open to that. But the problem is that they
37:34
Speaker 3: absolutely cannot tolerate high stress like. They don't enjoy high
37:38
Speaker 3: stress situations because they have less steroid production, which means
37:43
Speaker 3: they can't fight as hard, so they need being steady.
37:46
Speaker 3: So if you're going to give feedback to a diplomat,
37:48
Speaker 3: you would say, Hey, what what I would like us
37:53
Speaker 3: to do is a SWAT analysis on this thing that
37:58
Speaker 3: went down, And I would love you that we're going
37:59
Speaker 3: to that meeting in a couple of days, and I
38:01
Speaker 3: want you to just collect your thoughts over the next
38:03
Speaker 3: couple of days and then we'll come together and what
38:05
Speaker 3: they'll do, they'll process so much of the stuff and
38:08
Speaker 3: then you can present the analysis as part of the
38:11
Speaker 3: SWAT like. It's a very comprehensive, considerate, considerate process that's
38:17
Speaker 3: going to feel really really good for them. So this
38:19
Speaker 3: is ideal situations where you've got time and availability, but
38:22
Speaker 3: you definitely want the diplomat to be able to think
38:26
Speaker 3: about what you're going to be talking about before you
38:29
Speaker 3: have the conversation. That's very important because they don't like
38:32
Speaker 3: the immediacy of the stress of the directness. And this
38:35
Speaker 3: is what happens when you get an activator and a
38:37
Speaker 3: diplomat in a relationship. The activator fires off. Even though
38:40
Speaker 3: they are really direct with their feedback and they are
38:43
Speaker 3: super cutting with the way that they can say things.
38:46
Speaker 3: They say things with no fluff, pure adrenaline. Here it
38:49
Speaker 3: is that's really challenging for the diplomat, and the diplomat
38:54
Speaker 3: saying I need time to go away and think about that.
38:56
Speaker 3: The active they go, no, I want to talk about
38:58
Speaker 3: it now, and they'll chase them around the house saying,
39:00
Speaker 3: let's sort this out now, because this is the moment
39:02
Speaker 3: now that we need to sort this, whereas the zima says, no,
39:05
Speaker 3: I need time to go away, I need to consider it.
39:08
Speaker 3: I need to go through all of the layers. So
39:10
Speaker 3: their feedback that will be very very good at looking
39:13
Speaker 3: into the past. You say, hey, based on based on
39:16
Speaker 3: what happened, what do we know from the past that's comparable,
39:19
Speaker 3: and what can we teach ourselves because they hold on
39:21
Speaker 3: to the past, they're very good. They've got a very
39:23
Speaker 3: strong relationship with a hippocampus, their memory center. So what
39:27
Speaker 3: I'm saying here is the where possible give the diplomat notice,
39:34
Speaker 3: neither the activator or the i'd say an activator. And
39:37
Speaker 3: this is where emotional intelligence comes in, as well, if
39:38
Speaker 3: you've got an emotional intelligent activator, you can say, oh,
39:42
Speaker 3: that's sucked, and they'll go fu and then you'll laugh
39:47
Speaker 3: about it and they go, yeah, no, that did suck,
39:49
Speaker 3: and then everyone moves on. But if you've got baggage
39:52
Speaker 3: with that activator and there's there's dynamics that are play
39:56
Speaker 3: that make the emotions bigger, then they won't recover as
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Speaker 3: fast as So if it's it's a really good relationship,
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Speaker 3: you can to say I've got to have a we're
40:03
Speaker 3: going to have a quick one here, like bang bang
40:05
Speaker 3: bang bang bang bang, let's sort it now, and let's
40:08
Speaker 3: not say, oh, we're going to have a meeting about
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Speaker 3: this in a day. That's just absolutely torturous for the
40:13
Speaker 3: activator just to because they're now in a state of waiting,
40:17
Speaker 3: which is the opposite of what they want. So if
40:19
Speaker 3: you want to chat with Jane's you say, Jane, we're
40:21
Speaker 3: going to have a chat. You got five minutes now,
40:23
Speaker 3: it's like yeah, it's not like, oh, let's chat about
40:26
Speaker 3: this big thing in four hours. Like they're there now
40:30
Speaker 3: in it for four hours in a place they hate,
40:32
Speaker 3: which is planning. They just prefer to do.
40:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, here's what I'm going to do. You've never
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Speaker 1: done this before, You're welcome. I'm going to give you
40:41
Speaker 1: five kind of labels that get used in day to
40:47
Speaker 1: day conversation, not not every day, but just ways that
40:51
Speaker 1: we describe people. Completely unscientific, by the way, but generic
40:57
Speaker 1: terms that get used a lot. And then I want
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Speaker 1: you to tell me one which category or which group
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Speaker 1: or groups they might fit in. So number one is
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Speaker 1: the people pleaser.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's a connector, and literally that's how they learn.
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Speaker 3: If we were looking at the learning profile of a connector,
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Speaker 3: they are naturally people pleasing. Now there's other subconscious things
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Speaker 3: that can make you feel like you're not enough and
41:20
Speaker 3: therefore you have to please people. But if we were
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Speaker 3: looking purely at biology connectors, their whole sense is, am
41:28
Speaker 3: I surrounded by happy faces? Do I feel like I belong?
41:32
Speaker 3: And if not, what can I do to predict what
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Speaker 3: that person's thinking so that I can shift my behavior
41:36
Speaker 3: a little bit to make sure that they're liking me,
41:39
Speaker 3: That there's connection still here because oxytocin is driving that response.
41:44
Speaker 3: So purely from a biological perspective, the connector is the
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Speaker 3: people pleaser, and this is what we're teaching kids about
41:49
Speaker 3: in school, like teaching teachers about this in school. You
41:52
Speaker 3: want to be really MATESI with the connectors and like
41:56
Speaker 3: ah ee go on and blah blah blah blah blah,
41:58
Speaker 3: because that then makes them feel like, oh, I want
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Speaker 3: to please the teacher because he's my friend. But if
42:03
Speaker 3: you create this separation between you know, discipline and whatever,
42:07
Speaker 3: they'll just they'll turn off and they'll hate you and
42:09
Speaker 3: they're not looking to please you anymore. So you actually
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Speaker 3: have to have the friendly relationship as the reason that
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Speaker 3: they would learn in the first place. That's that's been
42:17
Speaker 3: very interesting.
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Speaker 1: Sound borderline manipulative, I'm going to say, but I think
42:21
Speaker 1: it's just understanding how people works, how people work.
42:25
Speaker 3: I mean, if you need to talk to your old
42:27
Speaker 3: eighty year old mum, you talk to them differently than
42:29
Speaker 3: you were the lads at the pub to a five
42:32
Speaker 3: year old kid, like you're manipulating them by changing who
42:34
Speaker 3: you are. You are whole.
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Speaker 2: So PhD in that, I think, all right.
42:44
Speaker 1: Here's my next one good point tip. Next one the overthinker.
42:50
Speaker 1: Would they go into any of your categories?
42:52
Speaker 3: Yeah, so the diplomat and crusader can both be in
42:56
Speaker 3: that frame of reference. So the dipmat we spoke about
42:59
Speaker 3: very considerate tree of knowledge, and they have a very
43:03
Speaker 3: sensitive balance of serotonin. Serotonin makes you feel like you're
43:07
Speaker 3: in the right place, doing the right thing at the
43:09
Speaker 3: right time. It's a reward hormone after you've done something well,
43:12
Speaker 3: and it's a pleasure hormone comes with a whole lot
43:14
Speaker 3: of things like I'm in the right place. If they're
43:16
Speaker 3: serotonin drops, it can make their next decision much more difficult,
43:20
Speaker 3: like a bunch of serotonin makes you more likely to
43:23
Speaker 3: take more risks the next time that you do it.
43:25
Speaker 3: So if their gut is off, like if they're over fermenting,
43:30
Speaker 3: eating the wrong foods, if they've woken up at the
43:32
Speaker 3: wrong time, put stress on their body at the wrong time,
43:34
Speaker 3: it can actually disrupt their serotonin production, which are signaling
43:37
Speaker 3: to their brain, which makes them question what should I
43:40
Speaker 3: do here? And because they're very considered, there's twenty different
43:44
Speaker 3: options that might be appropriate for example, So that's how
43:47
Speaker 3: we call them the true ruminant. And then we have
43:50
Speaker 3: the crusader, which is another overthinker. Now anybody can overthink,
43:54
Speaker 3: but these two are classical. The crusader is strategic overthinking.
44:02
Speaker 3: It's like, Okay, what are my outcomes here? What's the
44:06
Speaker 3: best way for me to get there? And if there's
44:07
Speaker 3: any kind of insecurity or any kind of self doubt
44:12
Speaker 3: that comes into that process, then they can be worrying
44:14
Speaker 3: on the same like on the strategy, what's the best strategy?
44:17
Speaker 3: How should I manage this here? And because they've got
44:20
Speaker 3: a very interesting combination. They're introverted, but they're motivated externally
44:24
Speaker 3: by status, so they are deep inside themselves, but they're
44:28
Speaker 3: constantly monitoring how they're perceived, and so they're constantly internally
44:34
Speaker 3: processing am I doing the right thing? Like? Am I'm
44:36
Speaker 3: going the right way? Am I going the right way?
44:38
Speaker 3: Am I going to the right outcomes? So that can
44:40
Speaker 3: create some overthinking as well, and that's it's less related
44:44
Speaker 3: to serotonin, more related to their need for don'tmin like
44:48
Speaker 3: they need to be on track doing a thing with certainty,
44:52
Speaker 3: and if their outcomes are uncertain, if their goals are uncertain,
44:57
Speaker 3: that will create overthinking.
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Speaker 1: All right, we've got four to go, I'm figuring out
45:05
Speaker 1: maybe we don't. I've got four, but I'm like.
45:07
Speaker 3: Nah, that's right, I can be sure. I'll be suter.
45:10
Speaker 1: No, that's all right, now it's fine, we got I mean,
45:12
Speaker 1: what about what about the problem solver? I feel like
45:17
Speaker 1: my training partner just he's on a practical level. Nothing emotional,
45:22
Speaker 1: he's fucking terrible, but other than that, practical things. Yeah,
45:27
Speaker 1: so the problem solver. I like that.
45:29
Speaker 3: So instantaneous problem solving is going to be gut feel
45:36
Speaker 3: activators and connectors like their time frame for problem solving
45:40
Speaker 3: is in the moment. It's like, and I've seen this
45:42
Speaker 3: with mother of my children. Something's come up. I'm here
45:46
Speaker 3: like thinking what's the goal, what's the outcome? I'm the
45:48
Speaker 3: crusader overthinking. She's already taken four actions which were just brilliant.
45:52
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, you do that really well. And it's
45:54
Speaker 3: just like there's an instinct for immediate action and the
45:57
Speaker 3: excitement comes and they're they're skill improves when under yours.
46:03
Speaker 3: Whereas if you were to think about, like what's the
46:07
Speaker 3: really pragmatic, practical, grounded, logical way of doing something, it's
46:13
Speaker 3: the combination of the guardian and the diplomat, Like they're
46:17
Speaker 3: very grounded, very real, very old that it just makes
46:21
Speaker 3: sense to keep it simple, loan maintenance like this, you know,
46:24
Speaker 3: and that's like let's just do this simple stuff and
46:27
Speaker 3: then when it comes to the problem solving, so different
46:30
Speaker 3: different types of problem solving. And then the crusader and sensor,
46:33
Speaker 3: they're very gather all the data, be the expert create
46:37
Speaker 3: a better pathway for this problem solving. It's a very
46:39
Speaker 3: logical construct. Activators, connectors very instinctual. Guardians, diplomats very grounded.
46:45
Speaker 3: Crusaders and sensors are very cognitive, very very logical pathway
46:50
Speaker 3: driven with it.
46:52
Speaker 1: What about two more? What about the what about the
46:56
Speaker 1: self saboteur, the person who constantly gets in there own
47:00
Speaker 1: way or has a capacity to no one. It might
47:10
Speaker 1: be the overthinker, right, they might kind of intersect a bit.
47:14
Speaker 3: I'd say yes, and then the other thoughts went through
47:17
Speaker 3: my mind as well. I feel like that sabotage piece
47:20
Speaker 3: is a that's more of a conditioned pattern rather than
47:24
Speaker 3: something that we're born with. But I would say that
47:26
Speaker 3: guardians could get into that if they were like because
47:30
Speaker 3: they will helplessly selflessly look after others, and so that
47:35
Speaker 3: will then prevent their own ability to move forward, just
47:37
Speaker 3: because they're so giving and generous that they can lose
47:40
Speaker 3: sight of themselves in all of that. Whereas an activator
47:44
Speaker 3: could be this is where it went through my mind
47:47
Speaker 3: as well. An activator is likely to just take some
47:49
Speaker 3: risk and see what happens. And if they're constantly told
47:52
Speaker 3: you're never thinking about stuff and you're always screwing it up,
47:55
Speaker 3: that would eventually turn into lah, I'm just going to
47:59
Speaker 3: screw this up even when I've taken a chance. But
48:01
Speaker 3: if they had the right support around them, they could
48:03
Speaker 3: make those same mistakes and just be told, hey, it's
48:06
Speaker 3: all about fail failing forward fast. Then they would have
48:09
Speaker 3: a different frame off the back of a mistake. So
48:12
Speaker 3: I think self sabatur is there might be some genetics
48:16
Speaker 3: behind it, but I feel like it would be more conditioned.
48:20
Speaker 1: All right, So I've got the last one is a
48:22
Speaker 1: choice of two. You're going to pick, and then I
48:24
Speaker 1: want to circle back to ask you one question about
48:27
Speaker 1: religion before we wind up relative to what we're talking
48:30
Speaker 1: about now. Yeah, so your choice between the catastrophizer and
48:34
Speaker 1: the storyteller. Oh okay, so the storyteller the catastrophizer.
48:44
Speaker 3: Well, I mean connectors are the storytellers, There's no doubt
48:49
Speaker 3: about that. Like the fun and the feeling and the
48:51
Speaker 3: joy that comes along with like watching people and verbalizing
48:55
Speaker 3: their thoughts with feeling. That is the connector's gift. The
48:59
Speaker 3: catastrophizer A Diplomats naturally have a pessimism, so as they
49:04
Speaker 3: with less stress, they'll they'll Yes, I chose both, mate,
49:07
Speaker 3: just made.
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Speaker 1: It short, no worries. My last question unless Tip's got
49:11
Speaker 1: one is and I don't know if this is interesting
49:14
Speaker 1: to anyone, it's interesting to me. Like any of the
49:17
Speaker 1: six types more likely to be religious? Do you think
49:23
Speaker 1: or lean into religion? Yeah, I just wonder if I
49:27
Speaker 1: wonder if we went and got a thousand people who
49:30
Speaker 1: go to church or synagogue or temple or whatever, and
49:33
Speaker 1: we did like an assessment on them, whether or not
49:37
Speaker 1: there'd be a commonality or a theme.
49:40
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. You're going to see monks meditating on a
49:47
Speaker 3: hill are going to be much more sense a crusader,
49:51
Speaker 3: so they're much more introverted. It's an internal search, introspection,
49:57
Speaker 3: trying to figure everything out. Wonder one stations don't need
50:02
Speaker 3: external stuff ultimately, so that you're going to see a
50:05
Speaker 3: sensor is more it tuned to that where what's so
50:09
Speaker 3: fascinating is that you know, the like the Christian Revival,
50:16
Speaker 3: like you know, like the music and you get into.
50:18
Speaker 1: The evangelical Bible something yeap.
50:21
Speaker 3: So there's a particular part of the brain that's particularly
50:23
Speaker 3: heighteneding activators and connectors for that that makes them want
50:26
Speaker 3: to be in sync and in harmony with the congregation.
50:30
Speaker 3: So they're naturally like ooh, like you know, we spoke
50:33
Speaker 3: about activators need to be on a team their brain
50:35
Speaker 3: and connectors as well. I'm geared to feel part of
50:39
Speaker 3: a team. And then when everyone's doing the same thing
50:41
Speaker 3: at the same time, it creates this incredible harmonization which
50:45
Speaker 3: really fires up this part of the brain for them,
50:47
Speaker 3: which makes them like you likely to see them like
50:50
Speaker 3: out the front with big energy and then and then
50:54
Speaker 3: you're more likely to see the like the service oriented
51:00
Speaker 3: religious individuals being more the diplomat and the guardian like
51:03
Speaker 3: I'm genuinely wanting to serve, and the service being of
51:06
Speaker 3: real importance in all of that, you know, like the
51:10
Speaker 3: activator is there for the music and the dance and
51:12
Speaker 3: the expression. The guardian is there to make sure that
51:16
Speaker 3: the collection plates handed around, that the funds are all okay,
51:19
Speaker 3: that everyone's got their cup of tea and their cake
51:21
Speaker 3: at the end. And it's a very different experience of
51:24
Speaker 3: that as well, So it doesn't exactly answer a question,
51:27
Speaker 3: but we definitely gravitate towards different types and different styles.
51:32
Speaker 1: I absolutely no idea where we'd go today. When we started,
51:35
Speaker 1: everybody needed a tip for doctor Cam and it ended
51:38
Speaker 1: up being a kind of a story sixty conversation, which
51:41
Speaker 1: is totally fine, So we might as well bang it
51:43
Speaker 1: off and give it a plug. Tell people where they
51:47
Speaker 1: can learn about the different types health types and maybe
51:51
Speaker 1: see who they are, do a little bit of a
51:53
Speaker 1: self assessment.
51:54
Speaker 3: Yeah, the easiest way to do it is just the
51:58
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52:03
Speaker 3: all of the stuff on there. You can get a
52:04
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52:07
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52:11
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52:15
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52:19
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52:21
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52:24
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52:26
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52:29
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52:40
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