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The Mind Virus | Jerm Warfare · UK Column Radio

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  Speaker 1: My name is Jerm.
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  Speaker 2: This is Jerm Warfare. The Battle of Ideas. John Leake,
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  Speaker 2: thank you for joining me in the trenches.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for having me. Delighted.
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  Speaker 2: So you were just saying the last time you and
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  Speaker 2: I spoke would have been, what, four years ago. Can
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  Speaker 2: you believe it?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I was the principal author of my first book with
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  Speaker 4: Peter McCullough.
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  Speaker 3: I think I even might have it here.
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  Speaker 4: It's kind of a walk down memory lane, The Courage.
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  Speaker 3: To Face COVID-19.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I've got that book.
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  Speaker 4: It was about the pandemic response. And you interviewed us
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  Speaker 4: about that. And I remember it being a fun interview.
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  Speaker 4: And then, you know, you look up and four years
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  Speaker 4: have gone by.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think that the world has changed for the
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  Speaker 2: better or for the worse since then?
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  Speaker 4: I think that a large swath of our populations, whether
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  Speaker 4: it be in the United States or South Africa or
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  Speaker 4: the UK, has awakened. Now, the question is, does that
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  Speaker 4: awakening put us in a better position relative to our
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  Speaker 4: governments the next time our government tries to do some
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  Speaker 4: dreadful act of tyranny? I fear not.
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  Speaker 3: I fear that.
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  Speaker 4: To put it in a way that might sound a
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  Speaker 4: little melodramatic, I fear our government apparatus, a sort of
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  Speaker 4: oligarchic structure of ruling the world, has come unmoored. from
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  Speaker 4: true representative government. So it kind of feels like at
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  Speaker 4: least we're allowed to talk with each other. We're not
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  Speaker 4: just being banned and censored outright. But I'm not sure
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  Speaker 4: how much our conversations in this quarter of the public
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  Speaker 4: forum are resulting in any kind of correction of governance.
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  Speaker 4: I kind of feel like we're ruled by people that
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  Speaker 4: basically do whatever they want. The theme of my new
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  Speaker 4: book is it seems like as soon as we have
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  Speaker 4: a bit of peace and repose in the public forum,
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  Speaker 4: we're blasted with another crisis, another disaster, another war, another pandemic,
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  Speaker 4: whatever it may be. And then all of a sudden
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  Speaker 4: we once again sort of feel like we're back to
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  Speaker 4: square one. But my prescription is that government just– we
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  Speaker 4: can't trust it. It's come– it's no longer– responsive to
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  Speaker 4: the desires, the prudent instructions from we the people. The
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  Speaker 4: government does what it wants. It answers to what I
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  Speaker 4: believe is something like an oligarchy. Now, that should come
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  Speaker 4: as no surprise. I think most of human history, mankind
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  Speaker 4: has been under the thumb more or less of an oligarchy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, your book that you're referring to is Mind Viruses,
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  Speaker 2: America's Obsession, sorry, America's Irrational Obsessions. By the way, I
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  Speaker 2: still want a copy of that book. It's obviously just
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  Speaker 2: come out and I want it personally signed by you.
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  Speaker 2: I love the theme, mind viruses. And I'm just, I
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  Speaker 2: was thinking about this a moment ago. What is the
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  Speaker 2: difference between a mind virus and a bad idea?
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  Speaker 3: A mind virus, it's obviously a metaphor.
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  Speaker 4: I'm borrowing from Elon Musk parlance. He talks about the
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  Speaker 4: woke mind virus. And I do address that concept in
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  Speaker 4: the book. But I'm using that metaphor to refer to
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  Speaker 4: any irrational idea that it is irrational. It does not
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  Speaker 4: comport with basic standards of common sense, evaluating principles. factual evidence.
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  Speaker 4: It's just kind of a nutty idea. But because of
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  Speaker 4: man's social and imitative nature, this idea can start to
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  Speaker 4: spread kind of like a contagion. And, you know, you'll
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  Speaker 4: know you're in the presence of a mind virus or
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  Speaker 4: someone who's infected with one when you stop and consider
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  Speaker 4: that just, you think, well, just like 18 months, if
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  Speaker 4: this man had proposed this idea at this dinner party
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  Speaker 4: 18 months ago. Everybody would have looked at him like
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  Speaker 4: he's completely insane. But the idea has sort of gained
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  Speaker 4: currency and caught on. And so suddenly people are adopting it.
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  Speaker 4: And I give multiple examples of this where there's no
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  Speaker 4: factual evidence available in the public forum in the world
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  Speaker 4: to support this idea. And yet here we are with
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  Speaker 4: millions of people embracing it. I'll give you an example
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  Speaker 4: in the United States. We know the pandemic, and I
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  Speaker 4: have multiple chapters on the pandemic, but I'll give you
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  Speaker 4: another one.
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  Speaker 3: So Barack Obama was sworn in.
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  Speaker 4: And touted as America's first African-American president. And initially, I
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  Speaker 4: would say within the first six months, we were sort
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  Speaker 4: of basking in the glow, kind of congratulating ourselves of
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  Speaker 4: how far the country had come since the days of
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  Speaker 4: the Jim Crow South, segregation, widespread bigotry. This was before
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  Speaker 4: the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
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  Speaker 3: So here we are in.
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  Speaker 4: 2009, and wow, we have our first African-American president in
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  Speaker 4: We've really made progress in overcoming the sort of demons
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  Speaker 4: of our past in America. But then suddenly, I'd say,
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  Speaker 4: you know, probably just a year later, just everywhere in
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  Speaker 4: the media, you can do Google search term frequency use. Suddenly, no,
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  Speaker 4: in fact, we're all racists. This country... is soaked in
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  Speaker 4: systemic racism. All of our institutions are racist. Our leaders
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  Speaker 4: are racist. We're racist. You're a racist. I'm a racist.
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  Speaker 4: And you think, well, no, wait a minute. Where did
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  Speaker 4: that come from? And so I have a chapter on
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  Speaker 4: so-called systemic racism post-2009.
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  Speaker 3: And I show that This is an irrational idea.
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  Speaker 4: It's not that some individuals don't have bigoted feelings in
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  Speaker 4: their hearts, but the personal feelings of individuals are not
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  Speaker 4: a public policy matter. We don't live in an era
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  Speaker 4: of inquisitors, something like the Holy Office of the Inquisition,
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  Speaker 4: you know, going around and, you know, doing exorcisms of
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  Speaker 4: people's evil thoughts. I mean, we live in a representative
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  Speaker 4: democracy in which we have institutions and laws that that's
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  Speaker 4: what we need to be focusing on in the public forum,
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  Speaker 4: not whether some redneck in the countryside has bigoted feelings. But,
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  Speaker 4: you know, there it was. And then so suddenly we
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  Speaker 4: have these so-called DEI programs, and at all levels of government,
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  Speaker 4: we have this specter that we're told of white supremacy
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  Speaker 4: that has suddenly raised its ugly head in America. And
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  Speaker 4: white supremacy is the, we were told, is the greatest
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  Speaker 4: threat to American.
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  Speaker 3: Public safety. And you think, well, where did this come from?
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  Speaker 4: So that's what I explore in the book.
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  Speaker 3: And it So you've got systemic racism.
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  Speaker 4: You have suddenly we're told that there's an epidemic of
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  Speaker 4: gender dysphoria in minors.
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  Speaker 3: And you think, well, no, wait a minute.
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  Speaker 4: We had like a boarding school on the East Coast,
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  Speaker 4: I think in New Hampshire, in which they did a
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  Speaker 4: survey and suddenly 30 percent of the student body in
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  Speaker 4: a survey said, yeah, I think Like the girl said,
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  Speaker 4: I think I'm actually a boy. And then the boy said, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I think I'm. You think, well, where on earth did
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  Speaker 4: that come from? So we see this time and again.
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  Speaker 4: In many ways, the book is a history of the
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  Speaker 4: United States since the year 2001. How we've just gotten
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  Speaker 4: one of these bizarre crises after another. And the book
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  Speaker 4: ultimately presents a thesis of where this all came from.
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  Speaker 4: the underlying interest, and who's benefiting from it.
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  Speaker 2: John, what do you think is the reason for that
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  Speaker 2: contagious nature of the idea? Let's go back to 2020.
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  Speaker 2: There were a few people, perhaps yourself and me and others,
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  Speaker 2: who saw through a lot of this, right? We didn't
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  Speaker 2: get infected with that mind virus. How is that possible
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  Speaker 2: that very few of us could see through it or had...
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  Speaker 2: Let's use the metaphor. Some of us were immune to it.
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  Speaker 4: Why? Well, so it's a great question. I've naturally pondered this.
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  Speaker 4: You think, why did this, why was it evident to
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  Speaker 4: me that a lot of this was fraudulent and that
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  Speaker 4: we were being manipulated when so many other people didn't
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  Speaker 4: see that at all. So I have a whole chapter
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  Speaker 4: in which I view this as an anthropologist might view it. So,
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  Speaker 4: you know, you look at Homo sapiens, you know, our species,
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  Speaker 4: and I think Roughly, we've been around for about 250,000, 300,000 years.
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  Speaker 4: And it's important to understand that almost all of that time,
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  Speaker 4: almost all of it, we.
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  Speaker 3: Lived in pretty small tribes.
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  Speaker 4: There may be 200, 250, maybe 300 people, men, women, children,
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  Speaker 4: older people. And it was absolutely necessary in the very
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  Speaker 4: adverse conditions of nature to for the tribe to bind together.
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  Speaker 3: If you as an individual.
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  Speaker 4: Were some kind of philosophically minded guy and you were
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  Speaker 4: constantly sort of questioning the imperatives of the tribe to
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  Speaker 4: bind together, if there were dangers, it could be another
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  Speaker 4: dangerous tribe that's encroaching on your territory. It could be
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  Speaker 4: the game animals that you follow for your food suddenly
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  Speaker 4: become scarce. A very bad winter that causes crop failures
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  Speaker 4: once we get into agriculture. The tribe is always facing
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  Speaker 4: adversity and therefore always has to bind together. And I
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  Speaker 4: think that that reality for most of human prehistory and
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  Speaker 4: history is still powerfully operating, so to speak, in the
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  Speaker 4: operating system.
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  Speaker 3: Of humanity.
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  Speaker 4: So we're told, it's usually our modern government institutions, a threat.
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  Speaker 4: There is something coming for us. We have to be
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  Speaker 4: terrified and we have to, above all, listen to what
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  Speaker 4: our official authorities tell us to do in order to
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  Speaker 4: overcome the threat.
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  Speaker 3: The fear.
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  Speaker 4: And in that state of fear, the mind then becomes very,
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  Speaker 4: very impaired in its ability to rationally evaluate what's going on.
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  Speaker 4: And what we see again and again in this is
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  Speaker 4: that we're oftentimes told that something is coming to get us,
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  Speaker 4: but we have nothing but just assertions, representations. Oftentimes it
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  Speaker 4: is electronic images of things. something that's extremely disturbing to
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  Speaker 4: look at. I mean, I don't know if you recall,
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  Speaker 4: but early in the pandemic, there were these videos that
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  Speaker 4: were circulated that were purportedly people like on the street
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  Speaker 4: in buildings in Wuhan, China, just suddenly collapsing as though
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  Speaker 4: this respiratory virus was just knocking people dead like bowling pins.
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  Speaker 4: And those videos began to circulate Along shortly thereafter, with
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  Speaker 4: videos of people in Bergamo, it was a suburb of Milan, Italy,
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  Speaker 4: in which we were told, you know, Bergamo has got
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  Speaker 4: this hospital, it's just outside of Milan, and it is
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  Speaker 4: overwhelmed with extremely sick COVID-19 patients that have overflowed the ICU.
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  Speaker 4: And I thought, Okay, well, that sounds kind of scary.
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  Speaker 4: Let me do a little research on that hospital. There
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  Speaker 4: are like 47 ICU beds in that hospital. And like
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  Speaker 4: most of the time, that hospital was already operating at
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  Speaker 4: capacity anyway. So terrifying images, but they work. They tap
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  Speaker 4: into that archaic.
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  Speaker 4: Fear that had some natural selective value back in the
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  Speaker 4: day when we were small tribes of people huddled together
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  Speaker 4: on the velts or whatever. But in our modern industrial context,
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  Speaker 4: you know, we have multiple layers of security. You know,
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  Speaker 4: we're not at risk of being attacked all the time,
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  Speaker 4: whether it be by nature or other tribes or whatever.
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  Speaker 4: But our government's And this is probably the main theme
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  Speaker 4: of the book. How do you justify in ever expanding,
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  Speaker 4: with ever larger funding, with ever greater power, the state?
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  Speaker 4: If we the people are doing a good job of
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  Speaker 4: minding our business and looking after each other, we don't
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  Speaker 4: really need the state with its ever-increasing debt and military
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  Speaker 4: and federal institutions.
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  Speaker 3: I'm speaking of the U.S. context.
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  Speaker 4: We see the U.S. federal state as just this leviathan.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, we just hit $ 40 trillion of debt last week,
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  Speaker 4: and this monster just doesn't seem to stop growing. So
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  Speaker 4: what I set forth in the book is the state
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  Speaker 4: needs these crises in order to justify itself, in order
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  Speaker 4: to justify its funding, its distribution of money to various
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  Speaker 4: interest groups that that have gotten cozy with the state.
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  Speaker 4: We need a crisis all the time. And mark my words.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to keep getting them.
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  Speaker 4: I don't see any sign this is slowing down.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think this is unique to the United States, though.
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  Speaker 2: I think this is unique to probably the whole world,
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  Speaker 2: wherever there is a government infrastructure.
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  Speaker 3: I agree.
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  Speaker 4: Now, one of the most stunning things to me, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure it was a romantic Hollywood image, but you know,
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  Speaker 4: I had grown up with this concept of Australia being this, this,
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  Speaker 4: this place of like super masculine guys that like to
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  Speaker 4: play rugby and, and, and, uh, you know, go hiking
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  Speaker 4: in the outback. And, and like, I thought these are
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  Speaker 4: like the really, these are like the last real men
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  Speaker 4: in the developed, you know, in the British Commonwealth. I
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  Speaker 4: was stunned by what happened in Australia. And, and I,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I just wasn't prepared for it. I thought,
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  Speaker 4: How did the Australian state and Canberra become this incredible
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  Speaker 4: nanny state with the other thing that we were presented with? Dr.
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  Speaker 4: McCullough and I went down there to give some talks
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  Speaker 4: that it's not only a nanny state that is telling
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  Speaker 4: everybody what to do all the time. It had these
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  Speaker 4: kind of stormtroopers involved. during the pandemic, just anybody that
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  Speaker 4: would just diverge one degree from what the state was
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  Speaker 4: demanding during the pandemic would find themselves kind of slammed
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  Speaker 4: on the concrete and thrown into a paddy wagon. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: these guys were really rough customers. So the question is,
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  Speaker 4: how did that happen to Australia? And so anyway, it's
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  Speaker 4: to your point. I And then all of these state governments,
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  Speaker 4: like Dr. McCullough and I went and we interviewed a
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  Speaker 4: senator in Canberra, and he told us, which I kind
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  Speaker 4: of appreciate, he.
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  Speaker 3: Said, I don't like you guys.
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  Speaker 4: I invited you here just so I could see who
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  Speaker 4: I'm dealing with. And I asked him, I said, on
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  Speaker 4: what grounds, just as an example, did the Australian– you know,
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  Speaker 4: drug evaluation authorities approve this Pfizer shot. It's an American-German product, Pfizer,
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  Speaker 4: and then BioNTech, which is in Mainz, Germany. How did you, Senator,
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  Speaker 4: go about approving this and then mandating that your entire
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  Speaker 4: population be injected? What was the evaluative procedure? And he said,
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  Speaker 4: he admitted that He said, well, you know, we were
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  Speaker 4: deferring to the guidance.
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  Speaker 3: The evaluation of the U.S. FDA. So I said, so
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  Speaker 3: just whatever the.
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  Speaker 4: American regulatory authorities say, that's good enough for you to
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  Speaker 4: mandate this on all of your people?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that was just stunning to me.
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  Speaker 4: Of all of the weird stuff I saw, that was
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  Speaker 4: in Australia, that was probably the weirdest thing single admission
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  Speaker 4: or assertion I saw in this whole mess. So I
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  Speaker 4: used to hang out in Zimbabwe. And I remember I
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  Speaker 4: was in Victoria Falls. And if my memory serves, this
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  Speaker 4: was like a million years ago. There were guys there
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  Speaker 4: from a South African rugby team, and I love their name.
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  Speaker 4: I thought these guys were so cool. I think they
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  Speaker 4: were called the Barbarians.
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  Speaker 5: No, no.
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  Speaker 2: I think the Barbarians belongs to the UK, that title.
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  Speaker 2: I might have it wrong, but it's not us. We
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  Speaker 2: are the Springboks.
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  Speaker 3: The what?
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  Speaker 2: The Springboks. That's the South African rugby team.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think of rugby as a kind of delicate Springbok,
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  Speaker 4: you know, jumping over things. I think more like a
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  Speaker 4: Cape Buffalo thing. I would have proposed the South Africa
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  Speaker 4: Cape buffaloes.
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  Speaker 3: But anyway, that's another.
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  Speaker 2: That's a very, very interesting take. I've never thought of
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  Speaker 2: it like that. I think it's one of our national animals.
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  Speaker 2: I think maybe that's why.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, the spring box. To me, that's sort of a delicate,
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  Speaker 4: feminine creature.
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  Speaker 2: That's very funny. That's very funny. I'm going to completely
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  Speaker 2: censor this part of the conversation, just so you know, John. No,
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  Speaker 2: I'm kidding.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 2: Going back to... mind virus thing um you said it
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  Speaker 2: or your book kind of starts at 9 11 2001
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  Speaker 2: i remember that day let's just quickly bring in the
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  Speaker 2: human element can you remember what you were doing that morning.
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  Speaker 4: I remember perfectly i was in manhattan i was in
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  Speaker 4: new york yeah you were right there Yeah, I was
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  Speaker 4: in New York. I'd flown in the night before to
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  Speaker 4: attend Fashion Week in New York. And this friend of mine.
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  Speaker 5: This.
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  Speaker 3: Is kind of funny.
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  Speaker 4: He kept thinking that he was going to eventually be
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  Speaker 4: able to meet a supermodel. And so we went to
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  Speaker 4: Fashion Week. It's the most unrealistic.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I went. I thought it was funny.
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  Speaker 4: But I thought this is literally the most unrealistic objective
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  Speaker 4: like ever. You know, like Captain Cook had a better
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  Speaker 4: chance of finding Australia than this guy had of.
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  Speaker 3: Taking down a supermodel.
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  Speaker 4: But anyway, we got some invitation to go to a
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  Speaker 4: Fashion Week party in Soho. And on September the 10th,
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  Speaker 4: and there we were surrounded by women that were like
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  Speaker 4: a foot and a half taller than we were. And
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  Speaker 4: I just thought, this is hopeless. So about midnight, I
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  Speaker 4: left that party in Soho.
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  Speaker 3: And I'll never forget this. This is true. I'm not
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  Speaker 3: just remembering this ex post facto.
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  Speaker 4: I walked out of this building in Soho, which is,
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  Speaker 4: there's this kind of area where like three avenues come
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  Speaker 4: together in the, the skyline kind of opens up. And
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  Speaker 4: as I was getting into my taxi to go home
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  Speaker 4: to my apartment where I was staying, my eyes, I
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  Speaker 4: was looking south, my eyes were drawn up to the
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  Speaker 4: Twin Towers. And I remember my mind thinking, God, those
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  Speaker 4: are big. They are so huge. They are just this
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  Speaker 4: like massive looming presence, so out of proportion with downtown Manhattan.
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  Speaker 4: And And I just remember thinking, God, they stick out
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  Speaker 4: like a sore thumb.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, they're just huge.
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  Speaker 4: You see these kind of aviation lights at the top
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  Speaker 4: of the lightning rods and just these massive things. And
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  Speaker 4: that was kind of in my mind as I went home.
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  Speaker 4: And then, yeah, the next morning, you know, all hell
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  Speaker 4: breaks loose. And I actually knew, not well, but they're
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: kind of friends of friends that were, you.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: That were in the towers, both of whom lost their lives.
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: So I remember this perfectly, and I remember there was
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: no more real example of terror, how it completely.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: Disables critical intellect.
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: But in my case, I would say I was as
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: terrified as anyone else But the one thing that struck
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: me is weird because.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: I'm like watching this in real time. I've got the
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: news on.
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: I'm kind of looking at towards downtown immediately, like 15, 16,
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: 17 images of the young men who were said to
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: be the hijackers. It's like images come up. The government
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: seems to know everything there is to know about these guys,
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: who they are.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: They're identified. And I thought, wow, they knew everything about
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: these guys. Like, why is that? I mean, like, were
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: they on a list or something?
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: And then, you know, in the years that followed, it
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: became evident that the CIA and the FBI knew about
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: these guys.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: They're all in the U.S.
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: On expired visas, like none of them was in the
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: country legally. Three of them were on al-Qaeda watch lists.
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: FBI field offices were observing some of them taking aviation lessons.
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: A couple of them said, you know, we don't need
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: to bother with landing. It's kind of an alarming, you know,
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: forget the landing procedures. Just, you know, help me kind
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: of steer it like a fighter jet. It's kind of
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: a weird request. Yeah, I mean, our state, the Leviathan,
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: the national security state, apparently just watched these guys all
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: the way up until the moment they boarded the planes. Now,
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying everybody in our national security state did that,
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: but it's very alarming, and I present the documentation, that
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: there were elements in our national security state that knew
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: about those guys. There's no question about it. And so,
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: you know, ye shall know him by his fruits, and
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: this is an important element of my book, So the
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: terror and then the government says, oh, my goodness, you know,
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: who could have seen this coming? Looks like we're going
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: to have to greatly expand the state. So we got
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: the Department of Homeland Security, a whole new federal agency.
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: We got the Patriot Act. extending surveillance powers of the
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: federal government. We got multiple wars in the Middle East, Afghanistan, Iraq,
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: and then the CIA goes into Syria, foments a civil
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: war in Syria, and now Iran. So the terror, the response,
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: and then we, the people, are told trillions of dollars,
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: expansion of the state.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: And you see that with each one of these.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you were saying in your book that a crisis
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: is like a chess game. You have three moves that happen.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: You manufacture the threat, you anoint the mission, and of course,
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: you name the enemy, which is what you were just highlighting.
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you name the enemy, and then the enemy could
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: not only be some perfidious foreigner like Saddam Hussein, or
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: now we have Vladimir Putin, whatever the foreign boogeyman may be.
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: But then in the domestic context, the enemy is anyone
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: who's questioning this. Anyone who's raising his hand and saying, no,
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: hang on a minute. We need to take a closer
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: look at what the government is telling us. That too,
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: that person too is, I use the concept of scapegoat.
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: It's like that's the bad guy. That's the anti-vaxxer, the
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: guy who's not a patriot, a sort of lacking loyalty
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: to the mission of our country as we valiantly go
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: abroad to get rid of the bad guys. It could
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: be a racist or a white supremacist.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: It could be a.
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: Transphobe, someone suffering from transphobia. And so that group who's
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: questioning the mission is singled out for abuse and persecution.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: John, do you think that these mind viruses are emergent
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: or are they by design?
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: Well, the potential is there in our minds to be afraid.
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: The other potential there in our minds is we don't
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: Humans are afraid of being alone and we're afraid of
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: being ostracized. So, you know, the other element of this,
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: it's not just it's not just fear of being of
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: the threat. We saw this during the COVID-19 pandemic. There
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: was this kind of virtue signaling.
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: Self-policing. You don't want to be.
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: The guy at the cocktail party that says, you know,
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: I don't know about this vaccine that they're flogging so
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: hard because you want people to like you. So a
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: major part of this, it's not just fear of a
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: mortal threat. It's a desire or fear of ostracism. You
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: don't want to be cast out of your preferred group,
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: the group that you identify with. So hence, we saw
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: during the pandemic the enormous partisan political divide. Here in
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: the United States, if you identified yourself, If you had
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: a kind of personal identity is that of a Democrat,
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: then that identity decision that you'd made, it then determined
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: your entire perception of the pandemic response. Amongst self-identifying Democrats,
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: there was no questioning of the pandemic response. None.
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: None.
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: Now, people who identify themselves as Republicans, they look around,
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: they see that their preferred group is in a questioning
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: frame of mind, so that seems to give them permission
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: to question as well. And so Fear of a mortal
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: threat and fear of ostracism. Now, I'll add this more
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: positive trait, virtue signaling. I'm showing by wearing a mask,
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: I proudly wear a mask, that I am someone who
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: cares about the health of the community, who cares about
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: the welfare of my neighbors. These selfish people who are
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: questioning wearing a mask, they don't care about the people
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: around them. So, A kind of moral signaling then becomes
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: weaponized in its own right.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: You did your thesis on Edmund Burke and his critique
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: of the French Revolution.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: Does any of that apply today?
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: Well, for sure.
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: I mean, so Edmund Burke, he was a member of parliament.
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: He was originally from Ireland. He was a great writer
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: as well. He wrote a book on aesthetics. He's a
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: very cultivated man. You know, the critical period of his
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: career is roughly, I guess, between 1765 and maybe 1795.
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: He had a pretty long career. He's part of the
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: Whig Party. Interestingly enough, Burke sort of by proxy was
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: a representative of the British colony of New York. So
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: Parliament had this sort of proxy representation of the American colonies.
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: And Burke actually argued in 1775, I quote his speech,
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: he argued like Parliament and the Crown should not be
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: slapping the colonies around trying to raise taxes on these
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: people because they've been a pretty independently minded people for
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: the last hundred years. So he was supportive of of
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: the American colonists and their grievances when we were talking
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: about the period of American independence. But when it came
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: to France, Burke saw something that absolutely terrified him, that
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: France was lapsing from rational grievances amongst its middle class.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: Fair enough. We need to reform you know, the old regime.
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: The old regime has too many privileges, particularly in the
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: area of being exempt from taxation and so forth. So
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: the privileges of the old regime, we need to have
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: a conversation about reducing their privileges. And thereby establishing a
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: fairer society.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: So Burke says, so far so good, that's fine.
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: But the problem that he saw is this is lapsing
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: into a kind of irrational religiosity in which it's, we're
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: not going to reform this society. We're just going to
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: annihilate anybody who gets in our way. And so, you know,
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: On the Place de la Concorde, they set up a guillotine,
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: and the thing is just kind of working day and night,
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: cutting people's heads off in the public square with very
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: little due process. You would be accused of being an
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: enemy of the people or an enemy of the revolution,
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: and they just drag you out of bed, trundle you
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: up to the Place de la Concorde and cut your
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: head off. And what Burke found, you know, well, I
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: should say that he wrote his treatise in 1790, and
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: what's remarkable about it is this was before the true
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: excesses of the reign of terror began, which was actually
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: a couple of years later. But he predicted all of
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: this in Reflections on the Revolution in France. He paints
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: this horrifying picture, like if these fanatics keep going with this,
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: you just wait, and we're going to get mass murderers.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: Before all of this is said and done.
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: So an irrational fanaticism coalescing around ideas of just wiping
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: the slate of our institutions, our social structures, and starting anew.
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: And he said, that's irrational. It's impossible. Human beings don't
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: work that way. And if these guys keep going, you know, God,
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: protect France from what's coming next. And all of his
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: predictions were true. And I'll just add one last thing
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: with Burke. He said, once this thing kicks into high
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: gear with all of this chaos and murder and mayhem,
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: the only thing that's going to restore order at that point,
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: and I'm putting Europe on notice, it's going to be
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: a military dictator. Once this thing spins out of control,
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: only a military commander in charge of an army who
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: can coerce this, it's the only way that order will
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: be restored. So who comes along but an artillery commander
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: from Corsica named Napoleon Bonaparte, who does put an end
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: to this. So in many ways, Burke's Reflections is sort
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: of a prophetic book. I mean, there are very, very
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: good diaries and letters and documents of the atmosphere around
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: the guillotine. I mean, you... it became very, very macabre.
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: There was this kind of ecstatic joy when the axe
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: would fall, when the blade would fall, and the head
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: would be cut off, and you'd have arterial blood squirting.
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: You know, people became sort of whipped up into an
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: ecstatic frenzy. And, you know, I thought about that. Of course,
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: it didn't have this spectacularly homicidal component to it, but
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: You know, we saw this kind of frenzied collective madness
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: during the COVID where we were presented with hallways and
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: hospitals of dancing nurses, almost like the Bacchante, you know,
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: the sort of having a bacchanalia. And you think, well, like,
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: what is this? Like, what are they doing? What is
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: this frenzied dancing, you know, wearing masks in the hospital corridor?
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: And then the.
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: Vaccine, you know, became a kind of religious fetish where
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: you had all of these sort of Dionysian celebrations of
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: the vaccine. The Vatican issued a 20 euro silver coin
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: commemorating the vaccine. It's sort of what's depicted here is
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: a boy is receiving the vaccine. like in the way
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: a boy might receive Holy communion. And then, so the
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: vaccine is not, it's not an immunological product. It's like
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: the savior of mankind and, and receiving the vaccine is
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: like receiving.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: The Holy Eucharist. It's very, very weird.
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: So Burke pointed this out with the French revolution, that
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: the revolution is, is being made into a religion.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: Which is not.
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: I mean, religion has its place, but making the artifacts
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: of man, of scientists, of revolutionaries, of Robespierre, making the
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: works of man into an object of religious veneration, that's irrational.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: But we see it all the time.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: John, who benefits?
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: The state.
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: And it's oligarchy buddies. It's anybody who has positioned himself
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: or his company or his nonprofit foundation to receive extremely
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: extravagant U.S. And I'm focusing on our case. I'll give
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: you an example. So let's stick with COVID. On March
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: the 26th, 2020, Congress passed the CARES Act. It was
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: the statute that set forth the official pandemic response. Do
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: you remember or can you guess how much money with
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: the stroke of a keyboard Congress created today? to disperse
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: to the medical industrial complex with a stroke of a keyboard.
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: Do you remember this, or can you guess?
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: Shall I say $ 1 billion?
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: $ 2.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: 3 trillion. 10% of U.S. gross national product.
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: 10% just create it, just poof.
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: And then all that money is distributed to hospital systems,
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: personal protection, people, um, vaccine manufacturer. I mean, the sports leagues,
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: you know, just any, there was this COVID vaccination core
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: in which federal money was just given to churches, sports leagues, um,
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: youth organizations, vaccinate, vaccinate. It's like this crazy fanatical movement.
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: that is being pushed by this massive wall of federal money.
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: And then so what is the lesson? Well, like there's
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: no better business. If you started a small business, you
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: had to develop a product, you had to market the product,
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: you had to do advertising, a PR thing, whatever, this.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: Is enormous investment. It's years of work.
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: If, on the other hand, you are in the business
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: of providing some kind of medical pandemic response, then overnight,
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: you can receive Tens of millions, hundreds of millions of
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: dollars just directly from the U.S. government, just a direct
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: transfer from the U.S.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: Treasury.
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: I mean, there's no better example of this than the
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: COVID-19 vaccine. So Pfizer and BioNTech or Moderna, they created
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: this messenger RNA vaccine product They hustled it through the
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: approval regulatory process. And then once it received emergency use authorization,
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: the government just in one fell swoop, here's a check
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: for $ 500 million. Here's a check for a billion dollars.
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: But it goes further. The government indemnified these companies of
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: any legal liability for their products. So you don't have
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: to worry about, you know, if somebody is harmed or killed,
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: you don't have to worry about any kind of legal liability.
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: And then finally, the government mandated that.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: Everybody get it.
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: So can you imagine if you had a company selling
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: a consumer product and your PR department or your advertising
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: department had federal power to force everybody to get it.
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: I mean, this is how this business of pandemic response
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: has turned into just, it's important to understand that what
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: this is, and I should add this, I'm glad that
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: we're talking about this. A major figure in the book,
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: and I'm not sure how much people remember him abroad,
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: but it was our president in the 1950s, President Eisenhower.
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: And when he left office in 1961, he gave his
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: farewell address to the American people in which he expressly
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: warned about what he called the undue influence of the
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: military-industrial complex. And it's this complex of industry, of finance,
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: of intelligence agencies, the Department of Defense, And he said
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: this complex of military and the defense industry is coming
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: unmoored from any kind of democratic process. Like it's becoming
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: this immensely powerful coterie in Washington and their influence is everywhere,
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: their power, their funding everywhere. And he makes it very clear,
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: they're only getting bigger and more powerful by the day.
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: So for Eisenhower, who was a career military guy, twice
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: the US Allied Supreme Commander, for him to issue that warning,
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: clearly he saw something that terribly frightened him about what
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: was happening.
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: In our government.
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: And I document this in the book. The so-called pandemic
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: response industry, it is part of the military industrial complex.
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: The origin of this was so-called biodefense. And we saw
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: during the early history that I document post-September the 11th,
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: What we, the people, were told was that, well, you know,
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: foreign soldiers may not invade the United States, but bioterrorism
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: could well be coming to our shores. So the military
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: then develops this huge biodefense industry, and the Even the
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: causative agent, SARS-CoV-2 of COVID-19, that is a product of
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: the U.S. biodefense agency, biodefense establishment.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: You're talking about manufactured threats. I mean, going back to 9-11,
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: we've had a huge number of manufactured crises, shall I say.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: How do we then distinguish between what's manufactured and what
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: actually is real?
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: So.
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: Very good question, and it kind of goes to the
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: heart of my thesis. So humans are vulnerable. We will
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: all die. These are kind of the hard facts of
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: life that I think, you know, yeah, the world can
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: be a dangerous place. But what we have to recognize
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: is when we're told that some terrifying thing is coming
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: our way, we can't let fear– disable our critical intellect.
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: We have to take a deep breath and we have to.
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: Evaluate, is this real?
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: And, you know, the way to do that is don't
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: just watch the television. Don't just watch here in the
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: United States, CNN or Fox News or whatever. You have
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: to actually look at the tangible world. And so, for example,
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: I'll give you a clear example of this. When the
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: first reports of COVID-19 emerged, I thought, well, I don't
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: know what's coming our way. I mean, I'm going to
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: suspend making any kind of judgment about this. We'll just
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: kind of be cautious and evaluate what's going on here. Now,
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: what I noticed about a month into this, so we're
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: getting to the end of March, is that no one,
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: and I mean, No one in my extended social circle,
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: and I know people all over the world, told me
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: of a young, healthy person getting in trouble with this.
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: I mean, no one said, my son's a lacrosse player
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: or a rugby player. He's this fit as a fiddle boy.
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: And boy, we had to rush him to the emergency room.
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, not one.
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: And then, you know, the Italian, there's an Italian group
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: that came out with the first autopsy study, I think
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: on March 27, 2020. And they found that the median
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: age of autopsy confirmed death was 83 years old with
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: multiple comorbidities. So, I mean, that's a person who's at
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: the end of life. They're very, very frail. And I'm
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: not saying that this viral illness didn't push them over
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: the edge into eternity, but you can't say that this
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: thing posed a great risk to the entire population. But
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: that's what we were initially told. And then when that
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: story was no longer tenable, this very surprisingly well-unified messaging
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: apparatus said, well, It's not that it's a risk to
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: the entire population, but you don't want to be the
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: guy that puts your grandmother at risk. So then it became,
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: for moral reasons of having solicitude for the older folks
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: in society, we all, all of society needs to carefully
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: follow these mandates in order to protect our And I
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: just didn't find that plausible. I mean, it became evident
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: to me, well, you know, older people, if they're nervous,
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: they don't have to attend the dinner party or if
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: they want to stay at home and they don't want
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: to go out to eat or to attend a function.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: Then fine.
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's their decision. They do a risk benefit
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: analysis of what's best for them and they stay at home.
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: And if they don't want to see their grandchildren for
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: a few months until this thing passes through, that's fine too.
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: But the idea that all of society needs to be
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: shut down was totally irrational. And there was no scientific
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: grounds whatsoever for believing this proposition. It was just asserted.
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: I'm just wondering, that tsunami, remember that tsunami, was it
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: in 2012? Where was it now?
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: Well, there was the big Indian Ocean tsunami.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm talking about. Yeah, that was 2000, Boxing
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: Day 2004.
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: Boxing Day 2004.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Really, has that much time passed?
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: I actually went to Banda Aceh in Sumatra to investigate that.
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: It's one of the wildest things I've ever seen.
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: That was wild.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: Well, why I'm bringing that up is because that was
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: a real crisis, right? That wasn't manufactured as far as
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: I can tell.
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: I'm glad that you brought this up. The U.S. government...
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: The governments of the developed world, there was no bank.
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: In that. I mean, the tsunami came in. It whacked
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: a bunch of towns in Thailand. It totally destroyed Banda
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: Aceh on the northeast tip of Sumatra. just completely wiped
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: the place out. I mean, really one of the greatest
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: natural disasters in all of humankind. I mean, like, get
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: a load of this. I'm glad that you brought this
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: up because the contrast is notable. I think Banda Aceh
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: was a city of, like, I want to say 250,000 people.
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: Within the space of, like, 15 minutes, like, 75,000 people drowned. And, like, yeah,
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: I mean, we saw some reporting on it. I mean,
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: you know, we heard about it, but it was kind
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: of a traumatic thing. But, I mean, it wasn't in
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: the news cycle for very long. So, yeah, I mean,
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: a tsunami bearing down on Banda Aceh, that is a
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: clear and present danger.
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: That's for real. Like, get out of there.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: If you can.
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: But, I mean, the point that I was making is
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: that so that was an obviously real crisis, whereas there
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: are a huge number of manufactured crises. Let me give
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: you another example, speaking of tsunamis. So that one that
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: happened in Japan, remember that one? The tsunami itself killed,
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: I think, 16,000 people. But what happened in the media?
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: They deflected and pointed a laser at Fukushima itself. But
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: that didn't kill anybody as far as I know. It
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: was the actual water.
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: Perfect example. I'm so glad that you brought this up.
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: I have a chapter on so-called climate change, purportedly or
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: theoretically human-induced climate change. Climate change is kind of a
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: silly thing to talk about because the Earth's climate no climatologist,
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: no geologist would ever deny that the Earth's climate has done,
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: you know, over its four billion year history, the Earth's
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: climate has been enormously dynamic. So the idea that The
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: humans are inducing climate change. This is a wild-ass hypothetical.
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: There's no scientific means of measuring that proposition, of testing
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: that proposition, of falsifying that proposition. This is just a
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: suspicion that we are told is the scientifically proven.
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: Reality of the situation. Anyway, I have a chapter on this.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: But, so.
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: Fukushima gets taken out by a tsunami. Now, the first
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: thing I asked is, you know, the Japanese are pretty
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: prudent people. First of all, why did they situate an
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: atomic reactor in a tsunami zone? Just on the face
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: of it, I mean, I don't know. That's another story.
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: Kind of weird if you ask me. But how do
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: the Germans... who are doing everything they can, assiduously building
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: up this whole idea of human-induced climate change. Germany, the
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: glorious manufacturing economy of Germany, needs to be sacrificed to
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: the cult of climate change. They say, a few years later,
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: you know what happened at Fukushima is so terrifying. Germany
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: is going to destroy, not shut down, but almost like
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: a sacrificial sort of religious sacrifice.
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: We're going to blow up, I think.
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: 14 German nuclear electric power generating plants that had perfect
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: safety records. And none of them were situated in a
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: tsunami zone. So it's exactly what, this is a perfect
• 53:28
  Speaker 4: expression of what I'm talking about with a mind virus.
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: It just, it's totally irrational. So they literally blow up,
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: detonate their atomic reactors that had perfect safety records. And
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: then To add another element of insanity to this, there's
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: no power that's cleaner in terms of not emitting greenhouse
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: gases than atomic.
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: So it's the cleanest thing. Now, I'll give you one
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: more example on this because I think it's important.
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: So Chancellor Gerhard Schröder of Germany, he signed this deal
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: with Vladimir Putin of Russia to build this Nord Stream
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: pipeline to pipe cheap Russian natural gas, not putting it
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: on an LNG ship, which is burning gas to transport
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: this heavy fuel across the Atlantic. No, it's being piped
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: directly in from Russian fields to Germany. It's creating a
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: mutually beneficial incentive for Germany and Russia to be friends,
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: to do cooperative, peaceful economic deals together. Nord Stream is
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: built clean, burning, cheap natural gas brought in.
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: It's a win for Russia. It's a win for Germany.
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: The U.S.
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: And its Ukrainian agents blow up Nord Stream. releasing something
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: like 475,000 tons of methane into the atmosphere. Now, methane
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: in terms of an insulating gas that traps heat, it's
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: the worst greenhouse gas of all. For years, Bill Gates
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: has in that annoying way lectured us that we have
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: to stop eating beef because cows emit methane. And then
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: our own U.S. government blows up Nord Stream, thereby causing
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: the single greatest incident of methane pollution in history, 10X.
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: So just none of this is credible. It's all just nonsense.
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: But people are propagandized with this, and they believe it.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: And the idea spreads, as you say, like a virus.
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we have Imagery of Greta Thunberg, the little Swedish
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: girl who's clearly being psychologically abused by her elders.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: How dare you?
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: And you think this.
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: Is just a tormented, terrified child that's being trotted out
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: before the UN.
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: It's just crazy.
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: See, here's where we realize that a grown man who's
• 56:30
  Speaker 4: has reason, his reason intact, sees Greta Thunberg giving a
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: UN address, you know, scolding the world and just, just
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: on the face of it, this is insanity.
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: This is madness.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: John, how many people actually believe this stuff?
• 56:49
  Speaker 5: Um, well, Since the COVID pandemic, I've noticed my circle
• 57:00
  Speaker 5: of friends.
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: I know what you're going to say.
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: You know, I've got like. one friend now, namely Peter McCullough.
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm never invited to go anywhere. So, no,
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: but it's not a very good sample size. I don't
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: really have any friends.
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: So, no, I think that the world is populated by people, and,
• 57:29
  Speaker 4: you know, this is by design. I mean, our public
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: education system for 30 years, for 40 years, I mean,
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: children don't learn civics. They don't learn history. They don't
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: learn political philosophy. They don't learn logic. I mean, the
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: world at this point consists of people that don't have
• 57:48
  Speaker 4: the educational and intellectual resources to evaluate what they're being told. Now,
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: the other thing is that the younger set is chronically distracted.
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: There's a compression of attention spans. I'm not speaking of
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: all of them. I mean, the other thing we've learned
• 58:09
  Speaker 4: in the last years is that we are seeing a
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: kind of something like 10% of the population.
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: Is very alert, very vigilant.
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: We've seen the rise of these podcasts like Joe Rogan
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: and so forth, where young people are demonstrating enormous attention spans.
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: So they'll really follow things. But that seems to be
• 58:32
  Speaker 4: a minority, right?
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: So the moral of the story is what?
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: The moral of the story is, buy my book. That's
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: the moral of the story.
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: I think the value of the book is it provides
• 58:49
  Speaker 4: a kind of practical guidebook. It lays out the anatomy
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: of how these mind viruses are incubated and propagated, how
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: to spot this script and The boogeyman is coming.
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: Everybody must comply, obey.
• 59:08
  Speaker 4: Anybody who raises their hand to question is scapegoated, taken out,
• 59:13
  Speaker 4: and shot. And then the government then creates and disperses
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: trillions of dollars to whatever interest group has positioned itself
• 59:24
  Speaker 4: to take advantage of the panic.
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: The book.
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: If you read it, and by the way, it's not
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: just academic. There's a lot of storytelling. There's a lot
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: of interesting characters and history. It's very character and narrative driven.
• 59:41
  Speaker 4: But it will show you how to evaluate the next
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: mortal threat, the next boogeyman that's coming to get us
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: and recognize that your fear is being excited in order
• 59:54
  Speaker 4: to manipulate you.
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: What's your website and social media?
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 4: Go to authorjohnleak.com. That's J-O-H-N-L-E-A-K-E, E on the N dot com.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: There's also a separate website for this book, mindvirusesjohnleak.com. I
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: write a daily Substack newsletter with Dr. Peter McCullough called thefocalpoints.com.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: John Leake, thank you for joining me in the trenches.