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Storytelling, Choices, and The Nature of Evil | Jerm Warfare · UK Column Radio

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  Speaker 1: My name is Jim.
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  Speaker 2: This is Jim Warfare The Battle of Ideas, Todd Hay
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  Speaker 2: and thank you for joining me in the trenches.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for having me, sir. It's always good to
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  Speaker 1: be here.
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  Speaker 2: It is. I'm hoping that you're going to do the
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  Speaker 2: heavy lifting, because, as you can hear my voice, I'm
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  Speaker 2: still a little bit sick. I've got COVID.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, do you really seriously?
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  Speaker 2: No, I didn't think.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, it doesn't matter if you testing positive,
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  Speaker 1: because that's I don't test for those things I've never
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  Speaker 1: had in my life.
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  Speaker 2: I don't even know what it looks like.
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  Speaker 1: Oh gee, good for you. I was forced to. I
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  Speaker 1: took a trip to Egypt in the middle of all
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  Speaker 1: that crap.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, but then you weren't forced to.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no, of course not no.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: I chose to. That's the thing.
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  Speaker 2: That's the thing that so many people have been saying.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't mean to sound cold about it, but
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  Speaker 2: it being funny.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I know I'm being funny.
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  Speaker 2: But a lot of people said I had to. I
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  Speaker 2: was given no choice. No, you were given a choice. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: You're always given a choice unless there was a physically
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  Speaker 2: like a gun at your Yeah, but.
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  Speaker 1: That's still a choice. You choose to do something without
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  Speaker 1: to avoid being blown away. I mean, that's still a choice.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's still a choice. It depends on the
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  Speaker 1: gravity of the of the consequence, you know. I think
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  Speaker 1: I think a lot of these people that got jabbed
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  Speaker 1: because they would lose their job. I mean I get that,
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  Speaker 1: I you know, especially at the time when it was happening,
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  Speaker 1: and it's like people weren't absolutely certain still not I
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  Speaker 1: mean I am, but a lot of people are not
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  Speaker 1: certainly certain that this was a bad move to get
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  Speaker 1: this shot.
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  Speaker 2: It was a terrible move.
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  Speaker 1: What was a terrible move. But but I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if I was put in a position where I would
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  Speaker 1: lose my job if I didn't do it. I have
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  Speaker 1: clients that were told they would lose their job, and
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  Speaker 1: they were so pissed off because they got it and
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  Speaker 1: they kept their job. But then' like what a year
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  Speaker 1: or two later, they were bringing everybody back that they
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  Speaker 1: had they fired that didn't that didn't do the shot,
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  Speaker 1: and they're like going, jeez, that's what I should have done.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, so that's all old news, though, isn't it.
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  Speaker 1: I Mean, you know, we COVID. Really, what was that?
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it's all news though. I think it's
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  Speaker 2: an very it's a very important part of our history
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  Speaker 2: now because it'll determine how we go forward.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, But people still aren't correlating. You know, everybody's complaining
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  Speaker 1: about the you know, expenses, everything costing more. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I just wrote an article on a four hundred dollars
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  Speaker 1: steak dinner, you know, stuff like that, and they don't
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  Speaker 1: correlate it.
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  Speaker 2: Huh four hundred dollars for a steak.
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  Speaker 1: For two people. Yeah, yeah, holding a couple of drainks,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, I mean it was like three hundred
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  Speaker 1: and eighty six bucks, which is insane. I mean it's
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  Speaker 1: like twice is what it twice of what it would
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  Speaker 1: have been ten years ago. You know.
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  Speaker 2: That amount of money, though, is when I converted to
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  Speaker 2: my currency, is that's stupidly high?
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, it is stupidly high. I mean in
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  Speaker 1: our currency, you know, the Canadian dollar is you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's not three hundred and eighty six in US. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: that's Canadian, And in US it's probably more like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: little less than two hundred maybe maybe I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: but you know, so you got to figure that. But anyway,
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  Speaker 1: the point is is that things are getting ridiculously expensive.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we just did an uber eats thing, you know,
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  Speaker 1: have food delivered from McDonald's for two people, and it
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  Speaker 1: was fifty four bucks from McDonald So but nobody's The
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  Speaker 1: point I'm making is that nobody's correlating this with what
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  Speaker 1: happened during the COVID time that was so long ago
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  Speaker 1: that how is the supply chain still affected by that?
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  Speaker 1: They're blaming it on Trump of course, in the Iranian
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  Speaker 1: garbage that's going on. So that's that's the reason why
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  Speaker 1: everything costs so much. And you know, yeah, it has
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  Speaker 1: something to do with that, no doubt with with oil.
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  Speaker 1: But the whole oil thing is nonsense as well. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the prices of oil like jumped up before
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  Speaker 1: it ain't even happened. I mean it's like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we're not going to feel the effects of the oil
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  Speaker 1: situation for a long long time, but obviously we are,
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  Speaker 1: because you know, they're taking advantage of the situation and
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  Speaker 1: raising all the prices in anticipation. I think that's happening.
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  Speaker 1: I mean I'm not an expert on that ship.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, but the point I was making
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  Speaker 2: is that when people say I didn't have a choice, No,
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  Speaker 2: you did have a choice. You did have a choice.
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  Speaker 2: It might have been a crap choice, but it was
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  Speaker 2: still a choice.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. But I would I would say, I agree with you.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you're absolutely right. But I would say too
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  Speaker 1: that when people say that, they you do have to
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  Speaker 1: factor in and put it in context of what they
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  Speaker 1: consider no choice. You know, It's like, it's like I
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  Speaker 1: would lose my job and therefore I wouldn't be able
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  Speaker 1: to feed my family, so I had no choice. I mean, no,
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  Speaker 1: you did. You could have like lost your job and
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  Speaker 1: found some other way to make money to feed your family.
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  Speaker 1: Sure could have done that. You know. It's it's like,
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  Speaker 1: sure you could have had your head blown off. You're
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  Speaker 1: going to live eternally anyways. I mean, you can always
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  Speaker 1: you can always come up with that rationalization of what
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  Speaker 1: is a choice and what what people consider a choice,
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  Speaker 1: and what people can I mean, there are a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people that were pressured to get the shot for
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  Speaker 1: things that we would think were nothing like just well,
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  Speaker 1: my wife like really wanted me to get it, so
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  Speaker 1: I didn't have a choice. It's it's like in that case,
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  Speaker 1: I would not think they had a choice. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I would think they did have a choice.
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  Speaker 2: But what it does signal to me, though, is where
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  Speaker 2: that line is. Yeah, well, for Bele, I'll give you
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  Speaker 2: an example. So you had a PCR tist and just
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  Speaker 2: about everybody I know had a PCR tist. I didn't,
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  Speaker 2: and my wife didn't. We made the decision that we
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  Speaker 2: weren't going to have a PCR test, all right, okay,
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  Speaker 2: And it was not easy, but it was certainly it
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  Speaker 2: was certainly challenging because we couldn't fly anywhere, and so
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  Speaker 2: we made the decision, well, if we can't fly anywhere,
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  Speaker 2: and if they're never going to allow us to fly again,
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  Speaker 2: we'll just have to explore our country. So we that
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  Speaker 2: was the line for us. I just said, well, I
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  Speaker 2: just said, you know, well I want to go to Greece,
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  Speaker 2: so we'll get a PCR test, but we don't have
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  Speaker 2: to get the vaccine. So it depends on, you know,
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  Speaker 2: on how law you're sitting in that bar. That's fine.
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  Speaker 2: I'm still okay with with with the with the PCR
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  Speaker 2: test to some degree, but the vaccine for me is
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  Speaker 2: like a hard no.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's funny. It's funny you're bringing this
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  Speaker 1: up because I just wrote an article that said shrews
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  Speaker 1: must comply and and it's it's addressing these things. It's like,
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  Speaker 1: what's important to you? Is it a moral choice? Is
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  Speaker 1: it a health choice? Is it a I'm not gonna come,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to succumb to the agenda choice, you know,
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  Speaker 1: fuck them, whatever. I mean, where is your moral compass?
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  Speaker 1: If it's morality, if it's ethics, what is it now
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  Speaker 1: what I'm hearing from you, is that your choice not
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  Speaker 1: to get or I won't say you, I just say
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  Speaker 1: a person, say a person decides not to get the PCR.
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  Speaker 1: Is the reason that they're not getting that because they
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  Speaker 1: believe there's a health danger in it? Or are they
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  Speaker 1: not getting that because it's like, screw the authority, screw
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  Speaker 1: this whole this whole game. I'm going to take the
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  Speaker 1: sacrifice and not travel on a plane. Or is it
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  Speaker 1: something else? Is there a moral reason, of a religious reason,
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  Speaker 1: you know whatever. Yeah, for me, the PCR, I didn't
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  Speaker 1: give a crap about it. Yeah, I agree that. Sure.
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  Speaker 1: If I was going to be one of those people
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  Speaker 1: that did no compliance with what the government says and
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  Speaker 1: lived out in a tree somewhere. Okay, I don't see
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  Speaker 1: anything wrong with somebody doing that, But I also don't
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  Speaker 1: see anything wrong with people like I mean, it's kind
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  Speaker 1: of like being a double agent in a way. It's
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  Speaker 1: like you comply with the system in order to keep
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  Speaker 1: your cover. It's like I would have to get off
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  Speaker 1: the grid and not do any writing and do nothing
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  Speaker 1: if I was going to not comply with everything that
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  Speaker 1: I believe the agenda was throwing at us, including buying
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  Speaker 1: eggs at a grocery store. And I don't have any
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  Speaker 1: problem with people that choose to do that. I just don't.
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  Speaker 1: And the PCR was one of those things. I didn't care.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't think it was dangerous whatever. But I did
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  Speaker 1: care about the vaccine, and I did not take it
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  Speaker 1: because I was afraid of it. I'm not afraid of
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  Speaker 1: that kind of crap. I don't care if it kills me,
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  Speaker 1: it's fine, I'm done, you know. I mean, I wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: do anything stupid that I knew it was going to
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  Speaker 1: kill me. But that wasn't the reason I avoided the vaccine.
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  Speaker 1: I avoided the vaccine because I'll be damned if I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to follow this this insanity. And yeah, part of
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  Speaker 1: it was a health thing. I didn't really want to
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  Speaker 1: stick something in me that was going to potentially harm me,
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  Speaker 1: But I don't think that was the primary reason. The
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  Speaker 1: same way with flu shots. I don't get flu shots.
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  Speaker 1: And it's not because I'm afraid of the shot. I'm
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  Speaker 1: more afraid of it now, But over the last thirty years,
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  Speaker 1: you know, when I was asked to do it flu shot,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't do it. Not because I was afraid of it.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't do it because I thought it was stupid
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  Speaker 1: and there was no science. To me, there was little
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  Speaker 1: science behind it. Anyway. I mean your point, your point
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  Speaker 1: is very important, and there's the reason why I wrote
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  Speaker 1: the article about it, because it's like, what do you what? Like,
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  Speaker 1: what is your context for choosing not to comply? And
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  Speaker 1: are you going to judge everybody that has a different line,
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  Speaker 1: like you use the analogy that there's a line you draw.
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  Speaker 1: Are are we going to judge the people that don't
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  Speaker 1: that put that line in a different place than we
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  Speaker 1: put it? You know, and we certainly I do. I
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  Speaker 1: mean I judge them. I judge sheep, you know. I
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  Speaker 1: mean I write about sheep all the time. I don't
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  Speaker 1: judge people individually, because I'm a therapist for one thing,
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  Speaker 1: and I do love all my clients.
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  Speaker 2: You know, But you judge the framework, you judge the
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  Speaker 2: arching structure. Yes, I understand what you're saying.
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  Speaker 1: It's the same way to put it.
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  Speaker 2: It's the same thing with lgbt Q. I reject it
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  Speaker 2: as the framework that that it represents. It doesn't mean
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  Speaker 2: I hate individuals who are gay or right or call
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  Speaker 2: themselves transgender or whatever. I don't have any hatred for
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  Speaker 2: particular individual but I do reject the overarching structure, the framework.
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  Speaker 1: Do you do you know, need to answer this, but
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  Speaker 1: do you judge the actual choice or whatever it is.
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  Speaker 1: I won't use the word choice because it's that choice,
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  Speaker 1: the homosexuality. Do you do you judge that? Do you
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  Speaker 1: see that as as an aberration, say for normal, healthy
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  Speaker 1: or no?
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  Speaker 2: That's that's a very good question. I do judge it.
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  Speaker 2: But I look, I've got gay friends, and my own
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  Speaker 2: gay friends, for example, don't agree with the idea of
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  Speaker 2: gay marriage. Okay, so that quite ideologically conservative in that
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  Speaker 2: in that respect, they go, well, you know what, gays
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  Speaker 2: can have relationships and they can have you know, unions
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  Speaker 2: that are agreed by the state, but we won't called
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  Speaker 2: it marriage. And in actual fact, I think that that's
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  Speaker 2: a fair it's a fair communist.
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  Speaker 1: For religious reasons or is it for political or well, I.
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  Speaker 2: Think probably religious, because marriage, coming from a Christian perspective
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  Speaker 2: is between a man and woman. But of course if
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  Speaker 2: you're not a Christian then then you don't see it
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  Speaker 2: like that. But now, being gay, whether you're a human
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  Speaker 2: or an animal, is obviously not the default possession. It
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  Speaker 2: is the exception. It's the exception. It's not the rule.
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  Speaker 2: You cannot pro create if you're gay. Right, So if
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  Speaker 2: everybody were gay, the population numbers would would decrease and
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  Speaker 2: we would have no more existence of anything. So right,
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  Speaker 2: So obviously if you look at it like that, right,
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  Speaker 2: if you look like that, it's not the norm. And
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  Speaker 2: to and to make it the norm is I think incorrect,
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  Speaker 2: But it is what it is, okay, And I'm not
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  Speaker 2: going to go after my gay friends and go, well
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  Speaker 2: you shouldn't be gay, right, Yeah, you and I.
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  Speaker 1: Think are on the same page with that completely. And
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  Speaker 1: you know, the argument could be that human beings do
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  Speaker 1: not live, uh, they do not live by a majority
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  Speaker 1: sense of physiology, they live. There's a there's a philosophical,
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  Speaker 1: a h religious, spiritual aspect to humans that go beyond
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  Speaker 1: the norm of procreation say or whatever it might be.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we have a we have a very wide
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  Speaker 1: bell curve there when we're not only looking at ourselves
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  Speaker 1: as physical beings that must procreate or must do with this,
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  Speaker 1: There's there's more to it than that. There's art, there's
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you know all of that are are only
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  Speaker 1: human things.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, you can't have art if you don't have people.
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  Speaker 2: And in order to have people, you need to approcreate.
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  Speaker 1: Well what what you're saying bell curve wise? But but again,
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  Speaker 1: if if we are aren't naturally I mean this is
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  Speaker 1: a big topic, but if we are naturally at a
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  Speaker 1: state where there's too many of us, we've pro created
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  Speaker 1: too much. You know, in a natural state, we would
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  Speaker 1: not have done that. If we were like all the
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  Speaker 1: other animals, something would have would have called us, would
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  Speaker 1: have would have curbed our our overpopulation. So homosexuality may
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  Speaker 1: actually be a natural, uh compensation for our overpopulation. I
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  Speaker 1: mean that's kind of a stretch. But you know, ultimately,
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  Speaker 1: if if more and more and more people are gay,
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  Speaker 1: less and less procreation, less and less people that would
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  Speaker 1: be a natural consequence of overpopulation. I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and I know this isn't new. I mean, I know
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  Speaker 1: people have talked about that.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry for jumping in, but I've thought about this quite
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  Speaker 2: a lot, and I know, I know that there, I
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  Speaker 2: know that there are very divided opinions on this. I
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  Speaker 2: don't I don't know if being gay is a choice,
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  Speaker 2: and I don't know if it's genetic. Firstly, there's no
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  Speaker 2: such thing as the gay gene, so they've never been
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  Speaker 2: able to, as far as I know, find any kind
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  Speaker 2: of genetic connection to being gay. I would go as
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  Speaker 2: far as saying that it's environmental and has to do
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  Speaker 2: with upbringing, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Yes, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: funny you say that, just quickly as a segue. I
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  Speaker 2: spoke to Stephen Pinker some some time back to hav
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  Speaker 2: him on my show. He didn't want to come on
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  Speaker 2: because it was a COVID It was a COVID thing,
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  Speaker 2: and I don't think he was liking the direction I
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  Speaker 2: was heading in. But he wrote that book, The Blank Slate.
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  Speaker 2: I think it was okay, and he makes a very
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  Speaker 2: very big argument in the book based around nature of
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  Speaker 2: this is nurture and how and how much of who
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  Speaker 2: you are today is a result of a blank state
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  Speaker 2: at birth or or like preprogrammed tabla raza. Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 2: a very very very interesting book and I'd be.
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  Speaker 1: Very interested in that and talk about segues. I was
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  Speaker 1: at a conference once that was being run by a
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  Speaker 1: clinical psychologist and he was making the argument that everything
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  Speaker 1: is genetic, I mean the whole nature thing. And somebody
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  Speaker 1: raised her hand and said, do you mean a woman
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  Speaker 1: who is like sexually molested as a as a child
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  Speaker 1: and she ends up being really promiscuous as an adult
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  Speaker 1: or the opposite of that, ends up being very reserved
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  Speaker 1: and very isolated and whatever is not due to the
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  Speaker 1: sexual abuse. And he said, no, that's genetic. And I
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  Speaker 1: went up to this guy afterwards and I said, are
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  Speaker 1: you kidding? Did you misunderstand the question? And he stood
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  Speaker 1: by it, and it's like, no, no, no way. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: if I'm going to lean anywhere, I as a professional,
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  Speaker 1: as a clinician, I lean toward nurture. I think there's
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  Speaker 1: very little actually in our behavior as sophisticated beings that
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  Speaker 1: is a result of genetics. I think some of it
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  Speaker 1: is obviously, some of it is we have propensities towards
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  Speaker 1: certain things. But anyway, I just went off on a
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  Speaker 1: super tangent. So go back to where you were, where
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  Speaker 1: you originally were headed. I I.
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  Speaker 2: Don't know, the segway was a little bit too was
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  Speaker 2: a bit too deep.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we were talking about gays and genes and and
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  Speaker 1: I made the argument that maybe nature is like lowering
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  Speaker 1: the population.
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  Speaker 2: But right, yeah, so gay people have always existed, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean throughout recorded history. But they've always but they've
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  Speaker 2: always been in the minority, and they've never been the rule.
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  Speaker 2: They've always been an exception, which is the point that
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  Speaker 2: I was making earlier. And funny enough though, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: if you look at the lgbt Q culture today, my
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  Speaker 2: own gay friends are now considered you know, quote unquote
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  Speaker 2: far right or whatever they are. They are now the opresses.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: That what happened. Man, We were we were the o
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: press just thirty years ago. Now we are the odpresses.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: You know, the whole the whole thing has changed. And
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: obviously I think that that is by design.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: By design you mean GBTQ.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the agenda, Yeah, no, it's definitely.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: I mean the whole LGBTQ thing is the the ideology,
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: you know, the the gay rights, the whole flag thing
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: on it. That's all legenda driven, no question about it,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: because just like you said, you know, gays have always
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: been around, They've they've been persecuted and seriously so seriously.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: So they're just coming out of that at least in
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: the Western culture, and that's a good thing. But they
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: don't require this kind of militant you know, bangue over
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: the head deal that's going on now, and that is
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: all that's definitely a jenda driven, you know. And going
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: back to the whole thing of choosing choosing to be gay,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean, up until really recently, it was
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: not a good idea to be gay. There was absolutely
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: nothing about it. I don't think. I mean, I'm not gay,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: so I don't know the history that well. But I'm
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: working on a book right now on Tchaikowsky, and he
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: was gay and he went through his whole life, like
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: I would say, ashamed as well, but maybe not as
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: much ashamed as just absolutely you know, I don't want
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: to be gay. I don't want this, I don't want
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: this lifestyle. I don't want the the culture to constantly
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: be looking over my shoulder, you know, of being found
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: out and losing my position and losing my I mean,
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: just on and on and on. And he even attempted
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: to get married once to a woman and it was disastrous.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: It was probably one of the worst things that ever
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: happened to him in his life. But he was trying.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: He was trying to not be gay. And that's because
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: of the culture that I don't think gay men are
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: women today face the same things that people did obviously
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: that people did in the eighteen hundreds, and especially in
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: a country like Russia. I mean, they were like really
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: heating about it. Although there was a lot there were
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: a lot of gay people around in Russia during that time,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: and they just learned to stay under the radar. But no,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: it wasn't a choice. I mean, at some point when
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Tchaikowsky hit puberty, he didn't like, ogee, you know which
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: one will I pick? Will I be a heterosexual via gay?
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: You know it's not he was. He was born that way.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Now you could argue, I mean, if you wanted to
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: get in the psychology of it, that formative time of
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: from zero to six years old, I mean, who knows
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: who knows what goes on with someone like him, and
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: you know countless others that would formulate or at least
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: reinforce something that was a genetic propensity. Anyway, this isn't
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: a topic for me because I don't know shit about it,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: and I know as much as any as as maybe
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: any heterosexual does. But it's a it's a very complex
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: and very sensitive.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: I don't think anybody knows anything about it, to be honest, Yeah,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: I need, I need to say something. You you say
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: you're not gay, but looking at that shirt.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Of yours, oh, I'm definitely a metrosexual.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, if you look at.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: Yours, your yours has what is yours? Yours is like manly?
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I'm projecting. I'm projecting, Todd.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Well, you know what that means. That means that if
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: you're projecting your masculinity, it means that you really don't
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: have any.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: That's why do you think I'm projecting? Then, Todd?
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: And what am I projecting? I'm projecting the the I mean,
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: I was a musician most of my life. I mean
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: I've been around a lot a lot. Not to say
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: musicians are gay necessarily, but I've certainly been around the
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: arts quite a bit and have had tons of gay
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: friends and colleagues and whatnot. I don't think I am.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, just like you said earlier, I
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: think we all have we all have propensities, just like
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: gay people have propensities for heterosexuality. There's there's always that
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: element in there. And I've always said, from a psychological perspective,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: if you took to two people of the same biological
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: sex and put them on an island, they would eventually
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: fall in love with one another, you know, and do
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: whatever it takes to express that. I could be wrong
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: with that, but I kind of believe that. I mean,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: it's like love is love, as they say, and I
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: think that that is a more powerful human proclivity to
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: express that than it is a biological one. And I
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: think that if you have two people that are of
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: the same biology and they have no other choice that
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: and it won't just be a choice, it won't just
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: be og I think I'll do this, It would actually
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: be something that would evolve within them. And I think
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: nobody's ever done that experiment.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: It was Robin Williams who once said that gay guys
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: broke into his house and how he knows that is
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: because broken. They still nothing, but they rearranged his furniture.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Right. Yeah. I don't know if gay people would like
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: that joke.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Uh, you said that you were you into music. I've
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: been playing with a music lately. I've got any keyboard?
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah wow? Yeah, so you're you're you play?
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: I've been playing my whole life. Yes, Oh have you?
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's very cool.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: But not many keyboard you see back here? Yeah, that's
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: a real that's the real deal.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Well, it's a weighted thing so that it feels real. No.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: I actually I actually have been playing guitar my whole life.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: I've got I've got an electric guitar right next to me.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Actually, okay, it says a lot.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: What does it?
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: I think? You know, I I think people that have
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: that in their life, whether it be music or art
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: or whatever, I think they're more integrated, well rounded people.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Well, it's funny you say judging.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm not judging, not saying they're better.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: I just think that you're wanting to judge.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean I see people all the time, and
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: one of the primary things I do. If somebody doesn't
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: have that in their life at all, and they've come
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: to therapy because they're complaining about something. If they're not
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: complaining about anything, who cares. You know, it's all working.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: But I think and Yung was big on this. I
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: think to be a fully integrated person individuated, you have
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: to have that in your life. You have to have
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: some form of non intellectual process, which which would be art.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: And yeah.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: I mean the reason why I brought that up actually
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: is because I haven't played music in a long time,
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: in a few years, just got caught up in COVID
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: and work and being being angry and everything.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: My father and all that stuff.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Well, there we go.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: That's when did it?
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: That's what did it? When my child was born. Ah,
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: it's something flipped in my in my head, and it
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: suddenly made me realize that my focus has now shifted.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: It wasn't in your head, by the way, it was
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: here or there.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, uh.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: And and it's you know, it brought out this new
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: desire to to get back into the hobby, you know,
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: of of playing music and and and enjoying because then
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: I can do it with my kid. I say kid,
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: but I actually say kids because his brother's on the
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: way right right.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: When is that? When does that happen.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, when does his brother arrive later this year? Yes,
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: later this year, in a few months time. So my
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: wife is obviously pregnant, so which I.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Didn't say anything because I wasn't sure if that was
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: a secret.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, well it was a secret until that,
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: until that anymore. Yeah, but yeah, so yeah so. But
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, the point is is that all of the
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: stuff that's going on in the world doesn't matter. What matters
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: now is the immediate. It's it's it's the family.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: As it should, family first, always as it should, and
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: enjoying the family, and and part of that is music
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: and hopefully playing music with with with.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: My boys, and you know, and and and staying young
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: and hot for as long as possible.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, you instinctively and that's not the right word,
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: but whatever, you instinctively knew this. And when you have
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: a child that you haven't had and you've been so
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: focused on intellectual pursuits, it does, it does reactivate the heart.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: And I mean even though the intellect, of course is
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: engaged in raising kids. But you know what that feels
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: like because you just described it, and that's that's good
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: that you followed it. I mean, most people don't. I
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: would say most people don't follow that, don't don't take
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: heed to those feelings that have come up. Maybe that's
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: not true. Maybe most people do. I don't know. The
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: ones that I see in therapy don't. They're so engaged
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: in in the culture, which is which is primarily I
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: don't know what it's like where you live. Maybe it
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: isn't the same because you're not you don't live in
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: the West. But the culture is so ensconced in this consumerism.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: It's like it becomes the number one talk about talk
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: about in the Bible, you know, the whole thing with
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: the golden calf. I mean, that's really what that's about.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: It's it's about worshiping the material, and that worshiping the
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: material is of course money and power and thing and
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: acquisitions and instant gratification, you know, pornography, video games, god
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: knows what else. It's all material. And people that are
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: so blinded by that miss what you've described. It's it's
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: like it just goes right over their head.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: But I think on the African continent, I mean a
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: lot of the whole COVID feoporn was missed. I often
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: make the joke, well, I often made the joke that
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: the reason why is simply because most Africans don't have
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: a TV.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, or a phone to stare at a smartphone.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: I mean I think that. I don't think it's entiny true.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: I think I'm being facetious, but I'm making the point
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: that there is a backwardness about this continent that I
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: think actually puts us ahead of the curve in some respect.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, that's that's a no brainer to me. I mean,
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: I write about this all the time, this idea of
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: simplifying and going back to caveman times. You know, it's
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: it's like there's a reality to that. That whole technology thing,
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: that transhumanism. I mean, all of that is devastating to
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: the And again, you know, I didn't think this before,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: but since COVID, I believe it's intentional. I think it's
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: part of the agenda because the agenda knows it's got
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: to deal with eight billion humans that could just you know,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: ransack the government if it wanted to it just you know,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: and they know they have to deal with that, so
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: they come up with ways to keep them complacent and compliant.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: And one of them is obviously not one of them,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: but one of the major ones is the media, through television,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: through cell phones, through whatever, you know, that brainwashing. That's
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: it's it's it's path, that's the way it gets to us.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Of the ways, I mean, education is a big one,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: and that's the one that's been around since the forties
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: and fifties certainly and before. So you know, I think
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: the more primitive a culture is, the more likely they're
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: going to stick to their archetypal rituals and which have
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: been around for a million years, and stick to that
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: rather than to what the agenda is telling them. And
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: that's going to be more more appropriate to human survival
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: and human meaning and whatever are.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: You mentioned? Humans? A Bible and the horseshoe here is
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: at the start of the conversation. We're talking about appropriation.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: And it's so easy to get caught up in various
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: branches and sub branches, and if you just bring it
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: all the way back to the roots, right, our existence
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: is primarily about, as I said, procreation and obviously then
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: about eating, otherwise you can't exist. So I mean, the
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: most primal purpose of our existence is I guess to
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: eat and to procreate and to stay warm. I think
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: that's it.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well you're talking you're talking biology though, and obviously
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: you can't have philosophy without biology, all right.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: So I mean you can't think about you can't think
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: about the universe if you're if you're hungry.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, right, Well, that's where if I were going
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: to put put a pin down on the era of
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: human existence, that would be good to go back to,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: would be the one that has passed to spend every
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: bit of psychic energy on survival, that's gone past that
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: and is at a point where it's just be getting
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: to look at art and look at at literature and
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: philosophy and whatever without all the technological distraction and confusion.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: Now this is all hypothetical, of course, that's it's it's
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: not going to happen. And even if you went back
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: to that time, there would be a lot of faults
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: in it, like things like hygiene and sanitation and stuff
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: like that. There would be problems with that that that
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: if you were going to have this kind of utopian existence,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: you would have to deal with that somehow. But anyway, no,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: it's it's you're you know, you're right on with that.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: And I don't think the pro creation itself is the
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: meaning I think it's raising the family. That's the meaning. Yeah,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: I think it's Yeah, I think it's having the children
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: and loving them and teaching them. And what ever is
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: what is.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Yes, of course, Sorry, you're right, because I mean a
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: dog or a lion doesn't think about the meaning. It
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: just it just instinctively does those things.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Well, we think that, yeah, but but they may they may,
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: they may anyway, there's another topic. But animals may have
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: more than we think they have with regard to that
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: kind of thing. But that's a lot of anthropomorphosizing as well.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: I mean it's like, you know, maybe not.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know. If you've seen my dog, my dog
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: absolutely does not wonder about any of the stuff.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, And you know, I've always said this. People
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: are tricked really easily thinking that animals like dogs, say,
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: have empathy. I don't think they do. No, And empathy
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: is a is a key thing you can you can
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: have a dog that loves you or appears to and
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: is really meaningful to you because of what they're conveying.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: But I don't think if you went into their head,
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: I don't think they have the same thing that we
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: call empathy. I don't think they understand or care to,
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: or they're limited and can't to actually place themselves into
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: the human's place. And I think that's a key thing
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: to what we're talking about here. It's probably the key
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: difference between humans and animals, is this ability to empathize.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've also thought about that. I mean, if you
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: if you smack a dog or whatever, you love to
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: see those videos where the dog looks like it feels bad.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Dogs don't feel bad. It's it's just a learning response.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: In my view.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they probably don't feel bad in the way that
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: we're describing it here, But you know, we don't know,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: you know. And I think that's one of the big
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: problems with a lot of things like this, is that
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: we make assumptions about stuff that you know, they could
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: be on a completely different plane. They may not be
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: conscious of things, but they certainly know how to or
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: something does, whether it's them or whether it's just God
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: or the universe. They know something about controlling their world
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: so they can survive. Where humans don't, Humans are making
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: the world unsurvivable rather than the other way around. Where
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: animals don't do that. They don't do that naturally, they
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: don't overpopulate, they don't. They don't destroy their resources. They
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: don't do. You could say, well, us because they're stupid.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: But I I don't know any animal that. Yeah, I
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: don't know of any animal that actually does that. I mean,
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: if you look at a game park, it unless unless
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: there's human interference, it genuinly stays balanced.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. Yeah, and it stays. I mean
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: it may if it were let go, like you said,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: human interference, it may appear as if it's overpopulating. Said
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: and it doesn't really make decisions about it. It doesn't
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: like say, oh, there's too many of us, does not
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: have any puppies, It doesn't make conscious decisions about it.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: But whatever it is that controls that ecology or whatever,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: humans don't seem to have, at least at the state
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: they're in now. Is this is where we get into
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: the topics of transhumanism and techno techno technocracy and all
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: this kind of stuff is because that's really where it
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: comes from. It's like, if humans just live the right life,
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: it would be very primitive. I mean, look at some
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: of the cultures, like the Polynesian cultures, and yeah, you know,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: it's like that was probably a really good culture to
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: live in. You know, it's like they all went out
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: and hunted and you enjoyed the beautiful day you had,
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: your family, you had. I mean it was like it
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: was like there was no real ambition in it other
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: than being good. And at least that's what it seems
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: like to me. Of course, I'm not an anthropologist, so
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean there may be all kinds.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: You know, you talk about the superstition and all that.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: It's like, who cares? I mean, who cares if you
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: think that the reason why the crocodile e somebody's kid
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: or something is because you didn't give enough you know,
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: not sacrifices, but enough bread and bananas and whatever to
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: the crocodile god. It's like, yeah, it just keeps everything
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: in order.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: Ah. But that day is a huge difference between humans
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: and animals. Humans create stories, animals don't.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Right, Well, you just nailed it. That's exactly what it is.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: I've written about that a million times. It's a whole
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: story saying I don't think animals create stories. Uh. In fact,
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: I watch my dogs and I try. I mean, they
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: learn and they you know, like they're not gonna they
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: like to run after the squirrels because of the story
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: that they've created about catching the squirrel. But I don't
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: think it's so much the same. I don't think it's
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: a story. I think it's more instinct and you know,
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: so I agree with you. I mean, I definitely think
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: that's the main difference. Are the stories.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think storytelling is what makes us human.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: I think it's probably one of those foundational characteristics, you
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: know that's just above the level of just above the
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: primal level of procreation and and food. Yeah, yeah, you
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: start talking about meaning. I mean that's part of storytelling.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: That's where that starts. The extension of the human beyond
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: the animal, I think starts with story. I think that's
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: where it starts. That's where ritual starts. That's where God
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: comes in. That's where ununderstanding of the world around them
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: comes in, like why is there lightning? Why did it
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: hit the trees there? And you tell a story about it,
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: you know, And of course early times his story was
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: that God was mad and you know, burn the forest
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: down or whatever. So those are the stories, but it's
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: a central part. I mean, if you look at everything
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: and reduce it down to that, you can make a
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: lot of sense out of this stuff that typically doesn't
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: make any sense.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: Yes, but if you do think of it that way,
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: you can start seeing the dangers of technocracy. You can
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: start seeing the dangers of a new world order, because
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: that is all about destroying storytelling. It's about you no
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: longer creating stories, but stories being planted into you.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And that's the key thing that makes you
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: realize once you've done this, that it is an external
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: implant that's coming from outside of you. It's a manipulation
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: of something that's natural and basically good. Okay, Sure, some
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: storytellings have gone off, like sacrificing virgins to the gods
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: back in the day. I mean, there's been a lot
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: of bad stuff that come from stories without an agenda
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: behind it, although there could have been an agenda then
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: to go in that direction, to go against what you know.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: I'm a firm believer that what we know inside is good,
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: and the reason things bad happen is because that good
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: is covered is covered up. And so I mean, it's
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: like the whole idea of heat of hot and cold,
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: that that cold is not a separate entity. It's just
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: the lack of heat. It's not a thing. It's the
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: lack of heat. Heat is a thing, vibration of matter
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: and whatever. And I think good is like that. I
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: think good is the thing. Love better work because good
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: good's contextual. It's like what's good for the snake, isn't
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: good for the mouse?
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: You know that kind of thing.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: But love is the universal. And I think that when
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: people tell stories or makeup stories that are contrary to
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: those basic things, I think that there is some kind
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: of external influence that pushes that. And you know, we
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: see it symbolically in the Garden of Eden with the snake.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: It's like the snake represents evil and the snake is external.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: It comes from the outside and says, hey, what you
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: think is going on here isn't isn't the best for you?
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: And you know, eve I goes what I think it is.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: I think it's fine.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: So it's always the woman, isn't it.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: There's a reason for that, and it's not negative for her.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to tell you what it is because
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't be able to verbalize it, but there is
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: a Women are the foundation of everything we're talking about.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: It's where it starts, and it's the feminine. It's not women.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: It's not biological women. Biological women have a greater propensity
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: or proclivity or whatever to constellate feminine archetypes just because
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: of their nature and their physiology and whatever. It doesn't
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: mean that men are biological. Men can't activate feminine archetypes
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: by far and vice versa, and we see a lot
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: of that, and I think that's one of the biggest
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: problems now with this whole trans thing, is that I
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: think there are people, because of the culture and various
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: other things, maybe even by alllogy, like as far as
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: hormones are concerned, you know, the food they eat or whatever,
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: are causing biological men to be more focused internally on
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: activating feminine archetypes. And then they get confused and think
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: that that means that they're a woman because the feminine
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: archetypes being activated. So they then conflated with a physiology
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: which nobody ever did before because they didn't have the
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: option to change their physiology. And I'm sure throughout history
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: there are a lot of biological males and vice versa
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: females as well that constellate more feminine or masculine archetypes
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: and feel like I should have been a man or
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: I should have been a woman biologically, but they didn't
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: have an option, you know, and now because of technology
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: they do and it's like it's devastating.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: But but now this is obviously where transhumanism is heading,
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: because it's it's it's employing technology for these purposes. Uh.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: And of course now we see these tools as bad,
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: which perhaps shouldn't have been the case. And that brings
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: in the question of you know, the design of the
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: architecture that that we see happening around us, and and
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: you automatically assume it's nefarious, which also then which into
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: a dark a dark place.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure I'm interpreting what you're saying. I
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: might not be correct, but I think and this is
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: the reason why I've kind of been driven to believe this.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: I think think that there is an external element of
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: evil that is driving the agenda to move in the
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: direction and the farious technology. I don't know if I.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: Said that, right, right, right? I see what you're saying. Okay,
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: So in other words, in other words, you got the
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: designers sitting around table thinking, Okay, how can we push
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: a certain group of people into a particular direction. H Right,
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: we have the ability to create this particular software. Let's
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: go for it.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean that's a very good way to
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: illustrate it. It probably is not actually happening specifically that way.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: I think that story that you're telling, there we see
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: and like science fiction movies or whatever, we have a
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: very clear delineation between evil and good. We have the
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: Darth Vaders, we have the whatever in order for us
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: to see it and to understand it and be I
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: guess entertained by it.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: Yes, but hang on, have you not noticed more often
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: than not, those evil characters, those villains are often the
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: truth tellers.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: Don't know what to make of that.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: That's a good question. I'd have to really think about that.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: There is there is?
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: Okay, this be give you an actual example, the Joke.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: Give me the Joker, right, I like the Joker. The
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: guy's utterly chaotic and obviously obviously evil, but yet he's
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: probably the most honest.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: Well, very often in those those kinds of stories, again,
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: that delineation between in evil the good is not fully
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: integrated because it projects the evil onto the character, you know,
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: the Joker. Therefore, it's not integrated, and the Joker appears
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: to be more integrated, but isn't as well. I mean
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: it's it's not integrated with good. It's integrated only with bad.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: But there is an honesty to it. Because the world
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: that we experience, the material world we experience, has has
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: good and bad in it. It has death, it has suffering,
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: it has destruction, it has all those things naturally in it.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: So if we're good and we we don't see that
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: and don't deal with it, if we're like in this
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: Never Never you know, good Land picket fence, you know,
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: David Lynch really presented that really well in Blue Velvet,
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: and don't see it, But then we are less honest.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: Where the evil or the bad guy that doesn't see
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: the good doesn't appear less honest, he appears more authentic.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: Does that make sense even though he's not because he's
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: not seeing the good just like the other doesn't see
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: the bad, but the good doesn't occur the same way
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: to that character. Anyway, That's just off the top of
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: my head. I mean, I could be totally whacked with that,
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: but no.
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: I had the great privilege of interviewing somebody on my
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: show from Canada actually a number of months ago. He
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: made the argument that evil doesn't exist. And it's a
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: very very very provocative thought because it's never you that's evil,
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: that's always the other person. Even even you know Fauci
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: or Bill Gates or anybody name any of the of
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: the villains in the covid Era, not one of them
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: wakes up in the morning thinking, right, I'm going to
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: out evil everybody else.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Sure, I mean just like Hitler did. I mean,
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: Hitler believed he was doing the right thing.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: Who actually is evil is what is? What is what
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: he was?
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, now, I mean that's a valid that's a
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: valid argument and observation as far as we're we're looking
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: at humans, you know, you look at like characters. They
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: do wake up in the morning and say what can
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: I do today? That is destructive and that hurts people.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: In the movies, well, those are social part Well you
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: could argue that, and you could argue that that the
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: evil takes a takes a place in a sociopathic psyche.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just hold on, just so that I'm not mist
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: representing him in case somebody does looks it up. Because
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: it was on My it was on My Cat Him show.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: He wasn't saying that they aren't bad people. But what
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: he's saying, I know, Yeah, what he's saying is is
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: there's no universal benchmark for what evil can be defined as.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: No, and I would agree with that.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: What he argues is that people are uh, sociopathic or
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: insane or chaotic, et cetera.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: Well, the the word evil and its association with an
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: entity like the devil is again a human story. It's
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: it's a construct in order to better understand something that
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: is not really understandable or comprehendible. However, that being said,
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: I am staring personally to move into this belief that
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: there is something like in the gregrret, which is an
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: energy lack of better words, I hate the word energy
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: and vibration. I hate those two words. But as an
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: energy that that is autonomous in a certain sense. I
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: mean it won't exist without human mind conjuring it up,
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: but that it is autonomous in a sense. It would
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: take way too long and not really capable of intellectualizing
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: it in order to present it to you. I mean
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: I could in writing probably I spend hours on it,
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: and I've tried. I've written a couple of articles on this.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: So in that sense, there is evil if you believe
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: in that, and of course a lot of people do.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: I mean a lot of people believe in Satan and
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: believe in the devil and believe it's an entity. It
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: was a fallen angel and blah blah blah. Okay, But
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: but there's a gregory idea of an inn, and this
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: idea came about many, many, many eons ago. Makes sense
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: to me because it seems unnatural to me to a degree,
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: to be I mean, it doesn't seem unnatural to have
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: like a sociopath, serial murderer or rapist or whatever, because
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: that's part of a human psyche aberration screwed up. Okay,
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: But when you have people like leaders of countries that
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: are not clinically insane, that are making these kinds of
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: decisions that ultimately become evil, like the Faucis and whatnot,
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: there's there's something going on there that or this agenda idea,
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: there's something going on there that that defies that kind
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: of sociopath mental disorder kind of paradigm. It just doesn't fit.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: And I don't have an answer to that. I don't
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: know what does fit. I mean, it's it's hard for
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: me to believe that there is a beael bub you
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: know that rises up from the fiery earth and shakes
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: his whatever and causes people to go nuts. But there's
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: something like that I think going on, and it's not
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: that outside of a metaphysical paradigm to believe that. I mean,
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: you know, we're in metaphysics. We believe in energies and
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: believe in these kind of aponymous forces good and bad
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: that caused sayings. You know, if you read any CS. Lewis,
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: there's there's angels, there's good angels, there's bad angels, there's
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: you know, and it's a lot of it makes sense.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: Or if you read Lord of the Flies.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's mostly psychological that you think. But I mean
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: it's the same thing. It's like you can as a
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: as a mass group of people. I mean, this is
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: where the gregory idea comes from. It's like say, in
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: Nazi Germany, the masses of people create this entity, this
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: autonomous energy that they all buy into and it has
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: the power to be able to pull people into it,
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: people that otherwise wouldn't be into it. It pulls him
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: into it. And this is where we see this all
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: the time with masses. I mean, this is what Desmond
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: was talking about with with the whole mass psychosis. He
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: didn't call it that though.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: No, he didn't say psychosis, that that was malone. That
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: didn't malone malone unfortunately, I know.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: I know. Yeah, it's like group something.
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: No, he calls it a mass formation.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: Mass formation exactly.
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: Because psychosis, you know, because psychosis implies something different.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't, it doesn't. It's it's like the popular
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, maybe the clinical word for psychosis, it doesn't fit. Okay,
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: But what people believe psychosis is a departure from reality,
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: a departure from objective reality. What is reality? I mean
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: to that argument, but what we call objective reality, which
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: is material reality, cause an effect, you know, that departure
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: from that, and I would call mass formation a form
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: of that.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: So you know, it actually should have been it should
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: have been Matthias going on to Rogan rather than alone.
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, Rogan got that whole thing wrong, He
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: got the wrong person on.
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, Malone is in a psychiatrist, psychologist.
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: He he doesn't, he's he's got a different set of
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: of words for things, you know. But again, I don't
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: find that difference between psychosis and mass formation as being
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: all that all that problematic. Clinically I do. I mean,
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: obviously clinically I do. I I don't think the but
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: that's yeah, he's right, he's right if you if you
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: define it that way, and I would, I think my
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: first articles on that I use the word psychosis, but
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: I think I defined it. And you know, psychosis is
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: a mental disorder. It's it's actually you know, defined very
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: very carefully as the way it isn't just a generology.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: You know, you don't have a grasp on reality. And
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: I mean because most people don't at some time or another,
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: you know, they don't. I mean, what is reality? You know,
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: every single person I see in therapy, including myself, departs
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: from what we would call objective reality, depart from a
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: particular story, just like we're talking about before. You know,
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: a story is not necessarily objectively real. And you know clearly,
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: you know the story that the alligator bit the kid
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: because you didn't give the alligator God enough bananas, that
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: that is a departure from material reality. And you could
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: argue that is psychotic, but those people are not psychotic
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: that believe that, They just believe in that story. Every
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: client I see, again, including myself, has stories. They won't
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: deviate from, they won't move from. And some of those
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: stories are obviously not true. Some of them are like, well.
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: Maybe you know, you're sounding a little bit postmodernly postmodern?
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: What is that?
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: It is the antithesis to modernism, modernism way way, where
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: where everything's relative, there's no objective, no objectivity.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: I think there is objectivity, but only in a material form.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: Hmmm.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: And even then I'm not I'm not quite sure. You know,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: if if the material world is real, objectively real, it
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: may not be. That's why we get into the whole
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: matrix idea and stuff like that. I mean, that's a
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: very popular idea these days, is that the material world
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: is an illusion. Of course, the Miracles teaches that from
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: a spiritual point of view, I think it's a I
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: think it's an illusion in the sense that it doesn't
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: exist without consciousness. I think that it's created like the
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: wave collapses, the potential wave function collapses into material form.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: But I think the material form is quote unquote real
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: whatever you want to call.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and just before anybody thinks what you're saying is
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: woo woo, I no, but I actually, I actually think
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: that materialism is going to be the death of us,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: because what we experience is a lot more than simply material.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, and I agree with you one thousand percent.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: In fact, materialism, I think is a core construct of transhumanism.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: It is on you can't have one without the other.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: I mean one. It's what I said earlier. It's it's
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: the worship of the of the golden calf. It's a
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: worship of material reality being the end all. It's it's it,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: and you either preserve it, consume it, preserve it at
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: all costs, or everything disappears because there is nothing else.
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  Speaker 1: So this whole focus on living forever, this whole focus
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  Speaker 1: on you know, safety as opposed to meaning. You know,
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  Speaker 1: if something has meaning but is unsafe, which are you
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  Speaker 1: going to pick? I mean, you know you're going to
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  Speaker 1: pick the safe over meaning. And that's where we are now.
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  Speaker 1: And it doesn't take a lot to look back into
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  Speaker 1: human history, even a couple of decades, the risks people
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  Speaker 1: took in order to find meaning and to be driven
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  Speaker 1: by passion with no thought or very little, not no thought,
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  Speaker 1: but very little thought about well this could kill me
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  Speaker 1: or it's like people didn't think that way. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: the tens of thousands of people that went to work.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, just as one example, that went to work
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  Speaker 1: on the Panama Canal, It's like most of them died
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  Speaker 1: and they knew that before they went. I mean, you
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  Speaker 1: go back in the history. Anybody that goes into battle,
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  Speaker 1: anybody that went on the Crusades, most likely they would die,
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  Speaker 1: and they still did it. They were driven by something
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  Speaker 1: other than the fear of death. And we don't have
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  Speaker 1: that anymore for the most part. I mean, there's a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of it left. But you know, just what
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  Speaker 1: you're saying is exactly right. We are not one hundred
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  Speaker 1: percent material. We are living a material existence. We navigate
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  Speaker 1: the material world with a material body, but the meaning
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  Speaker 1: and purpose in life is not material. The material is
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  Speaker 1: the is the carriage we ride in order to experience
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  Speaker 1: what we experience from a spiritual perspective lack of a
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  Speaker 1: better word. I mean, you're experiencing that, and everybody does
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  Speaker 1: for the most part. That have children. You're experiencing that
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  Speaker 1: with your.
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  Speaker 2: Life for sure. What's a little more than material?
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god? Yeah, right, that is the end of
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  Speaker 1: humankind as we worship the golden calf, as we worship
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  Speaker 1: and you know, yeah, you could say the alternative is
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  Speaker 1: to worship God. Okay, well, God is again a story
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  Speaker 1: that is telling more the truth than not, and it's
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  Speaker 1: told in a story in order for us to comprehend it,
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  Speaker 1: because the reality of it we wouldn't be able to comprehend.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, that's a good avenue to go is
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  Speaker 1: to believe in that. But you must believe in something
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  Speaker 1: more basic and fundamental, and that is that the material
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  Speaker 1: world is not the end all that there is more.
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  Speaker 1: That's where we find meaning and purposes outside of the
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  Speaker 1: material consumption and whatever, and that's what's missing.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, how can I follow your work?
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  Speaker 1: That's where you find me. In fact, I just finished
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  Speaker 1: revamping the website www. Dot shrew. The View of the
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  Speaker 1: Shrew is the website the View of the Shrew, which
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  Speaker 1: is the name of the book. Dot com go there
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  Speaker 1: or go to www dot true Views. Dot com is
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  Speaker 1: a substack where I do on my writing. And the
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  Speaker 1: best thing about it is not my writing. The best
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  Speaker 1: thing about it are the people commenting. It's a community
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  Speaker 1: that's just amazing, and that's where most people get. What
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  Speaker 1: they get out of it is the comments and pogging
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  Speaker 1: to one another.
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  Speaker 2: I am very disillusioned by comment sections. These days, it
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  Speaker 2: seems to be infiltrated with with with trolls and bots
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  Speaker 2: and chaos agents. It doesn't matter what it doesn't matter
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  Speaker 2: what I talk about or who my guest is, Todd,
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  Speaker 2: you will find someone moaning.
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  Speaker 1: You know, that's interesting you'd say that, because you know,
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  Speaker 1: I used to write for Off Guardian and I left
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  Speaker 1: there because of what you're saying. And of course everybody
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  Speaker 1: said you shouldn't even read the comments. And there was
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: a guy on there that just decided that he was
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  Speaker 1: going to like make war with me and what I
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: was saying, huh yeah, And he actually said, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we should all get together and go kill this guy.
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  Speaker 1: And so when he said that, I said, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I just I just don't want to be involved in this.
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  Speaker 1: It's like I knew he wasn't going to kill me.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I wasn't afraid of that. But it's just
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  Speaker 1: weird if somebody had if somebody can say something like
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  Speaker 1: this dealing with somebody that's a little whack. So. But
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  Speaker 1: what's funny about that is that And I should knock
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  Speaker 1: on wood because I don't have any of that on
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  Speaker 1: the substack. And I don't know why I've had one
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  Speaker 1: or two people in the past over the past four
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  Speaker 1: years that have made like there was There was one
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  Speaker 1: that got on him and really attacked me for using
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: the word genocide in describing what was going on in
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  Speaker 1: Israel and Palestine. And I didn't even say, oh, it's genocide,
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  Speaker 1: It's just I just used the word in describing what
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  Speaker 1: people were saying or whatnot. And he just blew up
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  Speaker 1: and attacked me, and so I responded, and then he
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  Speaker 1: disappeared and he removed his comment. It's it's like really strange.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know, I don't know what it is.
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  Speaker 1: It just I just don't get a lot of that.
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  Speaker 1: But I totally understand what you're saying.
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  Speaker 2: I don't have enough people I'm putting back now from
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  Speaker 2: reading comments.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah you should, And if I was getting negative ones
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  Speaker 1: on the substack, I would do the same because it's
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: just not worth it.
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  Speaker 2: It's not worth it. You're right, no, it's not.
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  Speaker 1: And like you said of a second ago, I mean
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: a lot of it could be totally fabricated with the
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: whole ai bot crap, so you know, you're not even
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: dealing with people
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  Speaker 2: So anyway today, and I think you would j