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Speaker 1: He's the Shan O'Connell Show, brought to you by Big
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Speaker 3: All right, take two, Happy Monday. Everybody. Welcome to the
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Speaker 3: Sean O'Connell Show.
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Speaker 4: So brief, brief, technical difficulties. We have figured it out.
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Speaker 4: When I say we, I mean everyone except for me
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Speaker 4: figured it out. Welcome in hope you Hopefully you had
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Speaker 4: an incredible weekend. It was a wild one in the
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Speaker 4: world of sports. And of course we are down to
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Speaker 4: the final four in March madness.
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Speaker 3: Hopefully your bracket looks better than mine.
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Speaker 5: You know what, don'ty.
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Speaker 3: I want you to go check up on.
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Speaker 4: The ESPN seven hundred Sports dot Com Million Dollar Racket Challenge.
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Speaker 4: I want you to see where you're at. I just
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Speaker 4: track your bracket, make sure you're thinking about Big Willie's
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Speaker 4: help us out. They all brought it in. Just don't
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Speaker 4: pay attention to where my bracket's at all. Right, what
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Speaker 4: an incredible upset, well, not even upset, just what an
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Speaker 4: incredible comeback for yukon nineteen points down and one of
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Speaker 4: just three nineteen plus point comebacks in the history of
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Speaker 4: Elite eight basketball. Two thousand and five, Louisville over West
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Speaker 4: Virginia came back from a twenty point deficit. Two thousand
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Speaker 4: and one, Duke over Maryland after trailing by twenty two,
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Speaker 4: and it's the first time that a one seed has
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Speaker 4: lost after they led by at least fifteen points at
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Speaker 4: halftime in NCAA tournament history. Duke led forty four to
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Speaker 4: twenty nine at the half. That means one seeds leading
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Speaker 4: by fifteen points at the half were one thirty four
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Speaker 4: to zero until this past weekend and a wild tip
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Speaker 4: in It was like church ball, yard ball, the ball
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Speaker 4: just bouncing all over everyone.
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Speaker 3: And of course.
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Speaker 4: You get the heroes of March, Braylan Mullins, who, let's
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Speaker 4: be honest, hadn't had a stunning game to that point
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Speaker 4: from seven feet beyond the arc?
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Speaker 5: Ice is it.
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Speaker 4: With Braylan Mullens doing so? Now his name goes down
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Speaker 4: in history yukon basketball history right. I asked the question
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Speaker 4: on Twitter at riloc Sports. I'd also like to hear
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Speaker 4: from you on the text line eight seven seven three
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Speaker 4: five three zero seven hundred. Do you have a favorite
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Speaker 4: legend of March? Do you have a favorite March Madness
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Speaker 4: guy that never really saw whatever heights he achieved in
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Speaker 4: March Madness. Maybe it's a women's basketball player. Whatever you
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Speaker 4: saw from somebody in the tournament specifically, and they never
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Speaker 4: replicated that greatness over the course of their life. They
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Speaker 4: never once after whatever they did, whatever heroics you can
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Speaker 4: remember from March Madness. Maybe they went on to the
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Speaker 4: NBA even a solid career, but you weren't screaming, No,
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Speaker 4: the announcer wasn't screaming their name.
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Speaker 5: Ever.
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Speaker 4: Again, They're not at the bottom of a victorious dog pile.
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Speaker 5: Ever. Again.
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Speaker 3: That is what March Madness does for us.
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Speaker 4: And as much as we love Cinderella's and I join
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Speaker 4: you in lamenting the fact that the transfer portal in
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Speaker 4: the NIL situation have in some ways killed Cinderella or
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Speaker 4: made it far less likely that we will get mid
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Speaker 4: majors or you know, random Patriot League type teams in
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Speaker 4: the final four in the Elite eight.
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Speaker 3: What you really want to see.
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Speaker 4: When you get down to it, when you get to
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Speaker 4: the Elite eight, when you get to the final four,
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Speaker 4: which you really want to see as a basketball fan
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Speaker 4: is the kind of stuff you saw over the weekend.
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Speaker 4: You want to see heavyweight programs slugging it out. You
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Speaker 4: want to see big time basketball. You want to see
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Speaker 4: a couple of NBA lottery picks and are they rising
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Speaker 4: to the occasion or are they choking their opportunities away?
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Speaker 4: And how is that going to affect what they do
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Speaker 4: moving forward and how the NBA treats them in the
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Speaker 4: upcoming draft. You want to see these blue blood or
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Speaker 4: new blood programs flirting with disaster, overcoming adversity, or maybe
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Speaker 4: in the case of like Michigan, pushing through. Michigan's dominance
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Speaker 4: has been obnoxious in this tournament. They're winning twenty three
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Speaker 4: and a half points per game, the average margin of
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Speaker 4: victory through the tournament so far.
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Speaker 6: They've scored over ninety points every game too. I think
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Speaker 6: they're the first team or not. They're like one of
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Speaker 6: two or three teams that have done that through on
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Speaker 6: their way to the Final four. They are like one
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Speaker 6: hundred in the first game, ninety something the rest of
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Speaker 6: the games. Yeah, they're not even making it close. Arizona
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Speaker 6: has also been very dominant, but Michigan's been even more
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Speaker 6: dominant than the Wildcats.
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Speaker 4: And it's gonna be a great game. But those are
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Speaker 4: the favorites to emerge as an eventual national champion. According
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Speaker 4: to Vegas.
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Speaker 6: I'll say this, Yukon and Illinois, I would not. I
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Speaker 6: would not just say that neither of those teams have
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Speaker 6: a chance. Like if you've been watching Illinois in particular,
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Speaker 6: they've also been They've also risen to the occasion the
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Speaker 6: I'm I'm surprised like everyone else that Houston loses basically
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Speaker 6: at home to Illinois. But I'm not surprised in this
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Speaker 6: sense because Houston lost to Florida last year in large
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Speaker 6: part because they had no size. Other than that, they
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Speaker 6: had no like size in the wing. Florida had length
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Speaker 6: for days. They had it again this year. One of
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Speaker 6: the reasons why I picked him to win it all
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Speaker 6: didn't go so well. Illinois is the same kind of
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Speaker 6: way they get every offensive rebound. Houston has great guards,
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Speaker 6: they don't They didn't have much else, and when you're
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Speaker 6: only getting when you're only shooting threes from twenty five
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Speaker 6: feet away because you can't get into the lane, you're
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Speaker 6: gonna struggle. Illinois can do that to people, so can Michigan.
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Speaker 6: Soak in Arizona, and you know with terras Reid Yukon
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Speaker 6: can do that too, but not much else. So I
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Speaker 6: don't sleep on Illinois in particular, even with his how
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Speaker 6: dominant Arizona and Michigan have been.
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Speaker 4: Illinois outrebounded Iowa by a margin of seventeen. When you're
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Speaker 4: getting to crunch time in a tournament, when you're getting
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Speaker 4: past that first weekend and you know the wheat has
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Speaker 4: separated from the chaff a little bit. If you're rebounding
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Speaker 4: and giving yourself even an extra ten possessions a game,
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Speaker 4: you've got a great shot of winning against anybody, despite
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Speaker 4: what whether there's a talent disparity, whether you don't have
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Speaker 4: the same kind of shooters, If you give yourself an
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Speaker 4: extra ten possessions even over what your opponent has, just mathematically,
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Speaker 4: the likelihood of you coming out on top increases drastically
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Speaker 4: if you're doing double digit extra rebounds over whatever the
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Speaker 4: opponent can do. That, by the way, that is what
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Speaker 4: coaches salivate over. Because this is March. You're going to
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Speaker 4: have some of those crazy loose ball scenarios. You're going
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Speaker 4: to have probably a technical foul that nobody wants to
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Speaker 4: talk about after a game. You're gonna have a couple
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Speaker 4: of unexplainable shots with somebody trying to be some ridiculous
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Speaker 4: hero ball master. And the thing that erases all of
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Speaker 4: those mistakes is extra possessions that you give yourself because
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Speaker 4: you crash.
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Speaker 5: The board's hard.
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Speaker 4: So Illinois is dangerous because of that. D Will's Illinois.
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Speaker 4: By the by the way, d Will, I reached out.
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Speaker 4: We're gonna see if we can get him on tomorrow.
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Speaker 4: Maybe I asked him about today, wasn't able to get
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Speaker 4: on today. He's a busy, busy man. He's he's jet
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Speaker 4: setting all over. He's got all these business things going on,
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Speaker 4: like he's got kids are in everything. His kids are
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Speaker 4: like his kids. He's got two in college. I think
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Speaker 4: the oldest maybe graduated from college. But he's got two
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Speaker 4: college aged kids, two high school age kids. So he's
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Speaker 4: just got a lot going on right now. If you
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Speaker 4: followed d Will on social media, you saw a very
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Speaker 4: hilarious experience to him watching Illinois try to advance like
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Speaker 4: he's the type of it's funny because of course he
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Speaker 4: was an elite basketball player, right, So sometimes I mean
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Speaker 4: I've watched plenty of games with guys that were pros,
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Speaker 4: and like sometimes they're just like whatever, because you know
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Speaker 4: you've been there, you've done that. They don't get as
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Speaker 4: intense as a fan as us random shlubs do.
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Speaker 5: He will Is not the case.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, they're probably like they probably feel very removed. It's like,
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Speaker 6: I I'm not on the team anymore. As much as
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Speaker 6: I love my alma mater, I'm not on this shot.
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Speaker 4: It just like it depends on who you're sitting with
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Speaker 4: or who you talk to. But like some people are
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Speaker 4: incredibly passionate and some people are.
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Speaker 5: Just like, yeah, man, I hope they do well.
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Speaker 4: Will Is He's like, he's like, I'm not putting my
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Speaker 4: rear end in a chair while this game is going on.
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Speaker 3: It's very funny. So you can follow him on socialtea time.
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Speaker 6: That one of the reasons why we wanted to bring
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Speaker 6: him on, not just because he's a local legend and
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Speaker 6: an Alini legend, but the last time Illinois has been
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Speaker 6: to the Final four, de Will played for Illinois. They
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Speaker 6: were the nearly undefeated fighting Allini that lost to the
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Speaker 6: tar Heels in two thousand and five in the national
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Speaker 6: championship game. He also oh see I text you this.
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Speaker 6: He also has a unique perspective on the Yukon game
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Speaker 6: because he, as a one seed playing for a one seed,
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Speaker 6: was down by fifteen in the second half to an
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Speaker 6: Arizona team. I think it was under five minutes left too,
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Speaker 6: in the Elite eight, and they had they had an
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Speaker 6: incredible comeback to get to the Final four, just like Yukon.
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Speaker 3: So I hope he can.
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Speaker 6: He can come on to talk about his Aliini and
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Speaker 6: give us some an idea of what was going on
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Speaker 6: in Yukon's head as they're trying to make that big comeback.
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Speaker 4: Well effort that for tomorrow since today didn't work out.
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Speaker 4: But yeah, you're down too, and hopefully you got out
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Speaker 4: to Big Willies to watch some of these games because
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Speaker 4: they were running specials all weekend, as they do every
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Speaker 4: single day.
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Speaker 3: The drink special stay below four dollars.
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Speaker 4: The food specials are fifteen dollars or less, and they
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Speaker 4: are excellent. Even if you're trying to clean up the
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Speaker 4: diet a little bit. They have those options if you're
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Speaker 4: just there for some some tater tots or some tachos
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Speaker 4: which are tater tot nachos, if you're looking for the
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Speaker 4: tater kegs, which we had in our hot lunches last week.
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Speaker 4: I mean, they've got an incredible menu, both on the
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Speaker 4: drink side and on the food side. So get down
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Speaker 4: there to watch the final four games. Hopefully you caught
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Speaker 4: Sweet sixteen and maybe Lead eight action down a pig
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Speaker 4: Willy's seventeen seventeen, South Maine, and always tell them you
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Speaker 4: heard about the place on the Sean O'Connell show. They'll
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Speaker 4: give you a little extra special treatment. So do you
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Speaker 4: have somebody James who was like a legend of March
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Speaker 4: Madness that maybe you watch this person in whatever tournament and.
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Speaker 3: They never even if they went to the NBA.
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Speaker 4: Because a lot of these guys, especially if you have
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Speaker 4: a phenomenal tournament, you go to the NBA, but then
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Speaker 4: you know, maybe you just you don't turn out to
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Speaker 4: be what people thought you were going to be in
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Speaker 4: the NBA. I'm talking about even guys who had respectable careers,
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Speaker 4: but where March Madness was very obviously was clearly the peak.
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Speaker 3: Of their individual glory.
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Speaker 4: I feel like there's a lot of those legends out there,
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Speaker 4: and I feel like Mullins from Yukon, like that moment,
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Speaker 4: hitting that shot to take down Duke, That is going
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Speaker 4: to be the thing as an athlete he is remembered for,
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Speaker 4: regardless of what happens from here on out. A buzzer beater,
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Speaker 4: three pointer way beyond the arc on a wild possession
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Speaker 4: to cap off an incredible comeback against a blue blood
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Speaker 4: like Duke, that is something that you have a hard
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Speaker 4: time being. I mean, besides the eventual birth of his children,
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Speaker 4: nothing is going to be as significant for him individually
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Speaker 4: as that. Probably do you have one of these guys,
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Speaker 4: one of these gals, somebody that you were just like
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Speaker 4: that tournament is something I'll remember forever.
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Speaker 6: Well, I've got I've got a couple, and one of
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Speaker 6: them it's not necessarily a tournament more as just their
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Speaker 6: entire college career.
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Speaker 3: It's it's Tyler Hansbro.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, he was talked about this weekend and Psycho t
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Speaker 4: was and is a college basketball legend. He's not an
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Speaker 4: NBA basketball legend. Although he ended up having a really
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Speaker 4: solid career.
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Speaker 6: He had a nice career as a role player, kind
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Speaker 6: of tried to be physical enforcer. Guy didn't always didn't
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Speaker 6: always play in that role, like it didn't know. It
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Speaker 6: wasn't always very convincing in that role in the NBA.
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Speaker 6: But he had a nice, what almost ten year career.
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Speaker 6: That's nothing that that's something to feel bad about if
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Speaker 6: you're if you're Tyler Hansbro. But this he's a bona
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Speaker 6: fide college basketball legend. Like as far as big, as
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Speaker 6: far as power forwards, you you could count, you'd probably
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Speaker 6: only need like three fingers to get before you get
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Speaker 6: to Tyler Hansbro as far as like greatest power forwards
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Speaker 6: in college basketball history. But he didn't have that career
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Speaker 6: in the NBA. So seven years in the NBA.
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Speaker 4: Seven years, Okay, he's forty years old now, all right,
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Speaker 4: seven years in the NBA.
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Speaker 3: He spent a little bit of time in China. So
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Speaker 3: if he was Lebron, he could still be playing.
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Speaker 4: If he was Lebron, he would still be making All
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Speaker 4: Star teams. But yeah, and look, there's zero shade, This
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Speaker 4: is zero disparagement. If you make it to the NBA,
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Speaker 4: even for a ten day contract, you are an incredible outlier.
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Speaker 3: But we know what this is.
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Speaker 4: We've seen these people in college football and college basketball
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Speaker 4: where you're a legend and you're one of the best
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Speaker 4: to ever do it, but then for whatever reason, at
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Speaker 4: that next level, it just doesn't translate the same way.
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Speaker 4: And there's a ton of them. Tyler Hansbrough is a
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Speaker 4: favorite for a lot of people.
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Speaker 5: I think.
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Speaker 6: The other one is Jerry McNamara, who is back at
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Speaker 6: his alma mater by the way, Syracuse. He's been hired
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Speaker 6: as the as the Orangees next head coach. Almost had
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Speaker 6: more March mad, more March magic with Sienna as the
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Speaker 6: head coach of Sienna, they got so close to up
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Speaker 6: setting Duke in the first round as a sixteen seed.
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Speaker 6: That guy, particularly in the Big East Tournament, but he
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Speaker 6: had his moments in in the madness too in the
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Speaker 6: NCAA Tournament. But that he was so fun to watch
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Speaker 6: once the calendar turned to March and excited that he's
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Speaker 6: back at Syracuse as the head coach.
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Speaker 5: Well, this one is for me.
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Speaker 4: My favorite is the most random outlier, Like James has
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Speaker 4: a lot of strange sports fandom where he's got to
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Speaker 4: explain why he's like, yeah, I like the Red Sox
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Speaker 4: and like you gotta you gotta get the story of
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Speaker 4: why uh this one. I I can't even explain it
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Speaker 4: for you. But when I think of NCAA Tournament basketball,
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Speaker 4: and I think of like some of the most glorious
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Speaker 4: times I had watching n CUBA Tournament basketball. Again, I
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Speaker 4: couldn't tell you why I Martin Cleaves watching him in
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Speaker 4: that two thousand tournament run that ended up with a
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Speaker 4: Michigan State national championship. I don't like Michigan State. I'm
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Speaker 4: not a Michigan State fan. It was just the coverage
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Speaker 4: that they did on him, the way he played.
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Speaker 3: I guess I was.
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Speaker 4: I was a sophomore in high school. Yeah, sophomore in
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Speaker 4: high school at the time, and probably just like overly influenceable,
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Speaker 4: right malleable in my opinions, and the way that they
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Speaker 4: were like telling you what an unequivocal, incredible leader he was.
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Speaker 4: How everything that he did is you know, set the
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Speaker 4: tone for Michigan State. I just fell in love for
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Speaker 4: that two week period with the way that Martin Cleves
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Speaker 4: did things. And then he ended up playing, you know,
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Speaker 4: six years, five years in the NBA. He was like
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Speaker 4: a two points a game kind of guy.
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Speaker 3: He was into the see I did.
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Speaker 5: I wasn't.
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Speaker 6: I wasn't that into college basketball at the time, so
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Speaker 6: I don't have many memories of that championship run for
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Speaker 6: Michigan State. But he's still like for a guy who
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Speaker 6: didn't do much after that and wasn't like all time great,
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Speaker 6: no doubt about it, college basketball legend like Tyler Hansbro.
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Speaker 6: It's a guy he's still talked about because of how captivating.
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Speaker 6: Was captivating he wasn't that in that championship run. But
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Speaker 6: here's my memory of matteen Cleeves those great Sacramento Kings teams.
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Speaker 6: He was like captain, cheerleader, benchwarmer.
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Speaker 7: Guy.
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Speaker 6: I didn't know his name because, like I said, wasn't
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Speaker 6: that into college basketball at that time.
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Speaker 5: But I'm like that guy who.
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Speaker 6: Never plays like I love watching him support his teammates.
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Speaker 5: I love watching him cheer on the bench.
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Speaker 6: And then I realized, oh, that's like a college basketball
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Speaker 6: legend from a couple of years ago, matteen Cleves.
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Speaker 3: Who also looks a little bit like Darrekious Rucker.
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Speaker 4: So maybe he could be the lead singer of Hooty
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Speaker 4: and the Blowfish if you needed to be.
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Speaker 3: In the biopic of Darius Rucker, Yeah.
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Speaker 4: He averaged three point six per game, three point six
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Speaker 4: points per game and one point nine assists per game,
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Speaker 4: shooting thirty nine percent from the field as a NBA
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Speaker 4: basketball player. Again, it's nothing to sneeze at, even if
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Speaker 4: you're the last guy on the bench in the NBA.
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Speaker 3: But he was a god for that NCAA tournament in
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Speaker 3: two thousand and he still is.
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Speaker 6: He probably can't walk around East Lancing like he probably
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Speaker 6: still is. He still is kind of a god. From
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Speaker 6: the TV coverage of March Madness. I'm sure he's a
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Speaker 6: living legend whenever he's in East Lansing, Michigan too.
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Speaker 4: Eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred. If
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Speaker 4: you've got a tournament star that that was the peak,
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Speaker 4: and you're okay with that being the peak. Psycho team
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Speaker 4: a team cleaves Marshall Henderson, whoever you want it to be,
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Speaker 4: let me know. Eight seven seven three five three zero
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Speaker 4: seven hundred, and I don't want That's one thing that
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Speaker 4: I hope we still protect somehow, I don't.
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Speaker 5: I think it's one thing that actually is.
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Speaker 4: Kind of immune from whatever the influences are on NIL
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Speaker 4: and transfer portal and things like that, because you really
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Speaker 4: can in a three week span. You can solidify your
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Speaker 4: legend in this way. Maybe not like oh, he's been
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Speaker 4: one of the all time great Spartans, he's one of
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Speaker 4: the all time great Bruins. He's one of the all
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Speaker 4: time great Blue Devils. But if you just have that
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Speaker 4: one run, that's kind of enough. So I think nil
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Speaker 4: can't affect that too much. I think the transfer portal, well,
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Speaker 4: that person might end up transferring to a bigger school
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Speaker 4: if they do it at like Northern Illinois. Well maybe
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Speaker 4: maybe it's one of these things in college sports that
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Speaker 4: is a little bit is as close to untouchable as
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Speaker 4: it can be in this changing landscape.
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Speaker 5: I hope fingers crossed. Yeah, I got it.
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Speaker 6: I got another one. It hasn't done much in the NBA.
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Speaker 6: Stephan Curry, Uh oh wait, he doesn't qualify. But he
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Speaker 6: doesn't qualify, But that run, he came out of nowhere,
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Speaker 6: that run with Davidson, and no one knew who he was,
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Speaker 6: even though he was Del Curry's son named after.
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Speaker 5: Him, right, yeah, like Wardell.
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Speaker 6: Stephan Curry like named after his dad, who was not
20:42
Speaker 6: an all time great NBA player, but had a really
20:45
Speaker 6: long career, one of the one of the better role
20:48
Speaker 6: players and best three point shooters of the nineties. Right,
20:53
Speaker 6: had a cup of coffee with the Jazz even he.
20:58
Speaker 5: Like that.
21:00
Speaker 6: If you're the son of that kind of player, it's
21:02
Speaker 6: like Robert or without the championships. Right, If you're that
21:05
Speaker 6: guy's son, people ought to know who you are, no
21:09
Speaker 6: matter what college you go to, even before you have
21:12
Speaker 6: a magical tournament run. But he It took him leading
21:15
Speaker 6: Davidson to the Elite Eight and within a shot of
21:18
Speaker 6: the Final four, upsetting Kansas, who ended up winning the
21:21
Speaker 6: National Championship for us to even know who he is,
21:23
Speaker 6: which is crazy to think because he is now an
21:26
Speaker 6: all time NBA legend that changed the game, But that
21:30
Speaker 6: probably doesn't happen if he doesn't have that March run
21:33
Speaker 6: in two thousand and eight.
21:36
Speaker 3: How would you characterize Jalen Sugg's NBA career so far.
21:41
Speaker 6: I mean, he'd be more high profile if he didn't
21:45
Speaker 6: play in Orlando's He's been an NBA starter, He's been
21:48
Speaker 6: one of the best defensive players in the league, but
21:51
Speaker 6: we just don't know about him because he plays in
21:53
Speaker 6: Orlando and the Magic.
21:54
Speaker 3: Have been a playing team that maybe makes the playoffs.
21:59
Speaker 6: Like that, that's Now if he were even if you
22:02
Speaker 6: were on like a Western Conference team that was in
22:05
Speaker 6: the same position, if you were on the if you
22:10
Speaker 6: were on the Sacramento Kings the last few years with
22:12
Speaker 6: dearon Fox and And and Wanto Sabonis, he would stand
22:16
Speaker 6: out be like, oh, that's a great player on a
22:18
Speaker 6: team that's up and coming. The magic qualifies that, But
22:22
Speaker 6: Orlando just doesn't. People don't care unless they make the
22:25
Speaker 6: NBA finals. Yeah, that's how it is with Orlando.
22:27
Speaker 4: Suggs is probably the most recent example for me of
22:30
Speaker 4: a guy that I was like, man, he was so good.
22:33
Speaker 5: He is a monster.
22:34
Speaker 3: I thought he was going to be the best player
22:36
Speaker 3: of that draft class. Actually did same.
22:38
Speaker 4: And look, if you're an NBA starter and you're having
22:41
Speaker 4: a good career, and like, by the way, that now,
22:44
Speaker 4: if you're a multiple year NBA starter, that translates to
22:47
Speaker 4: you earning at least like one hundred million dollars over
22:49
Speaker 4: the course of your NBA career, So good for you.
22:51
Speaker 4: You're gonna you know, provide well for your family moving forward.
22:55
Speaker 4: That's that's that's there's no such thing as a bust
22:58
Speaker 4: as long as you stay in the NBA after being
23:01
Speaker 4: you know, a legend in college, but he took Gonzaga
23:05
Speaker 4: right up to that championship game.
23:08
Speaker 3: He was the best scored player on the floor in
23:10
Speaker 3: every game he plays.
23:11
Speaker 4: He scored twenty two points of the championship game, and
23:13
Speaker 4: unfortunately there just wasn't enough around him.
23:16
Speaker 6: That half court shot that he banked in that was
23:20
Speaker 6: that was basically like Raylan Mullen's shot from the same distance,
23:25
Speaker 6: but he had to bank it in to get them
23:27
Speaker 6: to The championship game against UCLA was, I mean, all
23:30
Speaker 6: time great game with hardly anyone in the stands because
23:33
Speaker 6: that was the year after COVID, right, and we were
23:36
Speaker 6: still coming out of the pandemic.
23:38
Speaker 3: Like that was I I think I've told this before.
23:42
Speaker 6: I've kind of been trained because of the games that
23:45
Speaker 6: I've covered to not really cheer very much even when
23:49
Speaker 6: I'm at games. Even when I'm at games as a fan,
23:51
Speaker 6: I most I do is clap right, and so I'm
23:56
Speaker 6: that way at home. I just I watched pretty silently now,
24:00
Speaker 6: but I can't help it. When a great moment happens,
24:04
Speaker 6: I'll just spontaneously scream. That's what happened with Mullins, That's
24:09
Speaker 6: what happened with the Sugs shot a few years ago.
24:12
Speaker 3: There's been some great catches in in.
24:16
Speaker 6: Home runs in Red Sox playoff run recent Red Sox
24:20
Speaker 6: playoff runs that's made me do that. It gets to
24:22
Speaker 6: the point where it's late enough at night where my
24:25
Speaker 6: wife is gone to bed and I'll just like scream
24:28
Speaker 6: and she'll think, like someone's.
24:29
Speaker 3: Coming in to murder me kind of thing like that.
24:34
Speaker 5: It's not ideal. That's what happened.
24:36
Speaker 6: Like the Sugs were camping and I have enough a
24:39
Speaker 6: data to be able to watch, to be able to
24:41
Speaker 6: watch on my phone the Sugs game, Sugs UCLA game.
24:45
Speaker 8: And.
24:47
Speaker 5: I'm in the tent and I just I can't help myself.
24:50
Speaker 6: I let out this primal scream after this amazing shot,
24:55
Speaker 6: and my wife we're with her family and they're like,
24:58
Speaker 6: everything okay. She's like, oh yeah, I think march madness. Yeah,
25:02
Speaker 6: And I come out of it. I'm really sorry. That
25:05
Speaker 6: was a crazy shot. That's where madness comes from, makes
25:09
Speaker 6: you act crazy.
25:11
Speaker 5: All right.
25:11
Speaker 4: We got Ari Tempkin joining us here in just a
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Speaker 4: couple of minutes after this break. We've got Tony Parks
25:17
Speaker 4: joining us in studio at one o'clock opening weekend. Already
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Speaker 4: happening in Major League Baseball. It is opening week for
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Speaker 4: the Bees as well, so Tony Park's joining us later
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Speaker 4: on in the show. Let's take a quick one. We'll
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Speaker 4: get come back with Ari Tempkin. The Big twelve's got
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Speaker 4: one last chance for an NCAA championship and this year's
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Speaker 4: basketball world will Arizona do it? We'll discuss with Ari.
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Speaker 5: Seven hundred ninety one a half an Welcome back to
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Speaker 4: Welcome in, friend of the program, Ari tim Kin at
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Speaker 4: Ari Sports, Ari, welcome.
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Speaker 5: How are you sir?
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Speaker 9: I'm great?
26:17
Speaker 5: O see how are you Bud doing all right?
26:20
Speaker 4: Tell me get set the stage for me. How and
26:23
Speaker 4: where did you take in the Elite eight action this
26:26
Speaker 4: past weekend?
26:28
Speaker 9: Yeah? What a dynamic weekend it was, and certainly the
26:32
Speaker 9: fireworks from Saturday night were you know, incredible and into Sunday.
26:37
Speaker 9: But I actually was gonna go watch it COSM here locally,
26:41
Speaker 9: which I can't remember. If we've talked about that yet.
26:43
Speaker 9: But COSM is this incredible spot that basically is if
26:47
Speaker 9: you can't be at the game, the next best place
26:49
Speaker 9: to be at. They like install their own cameras and
26:51
Speaker 9: stadiums for games and like just give you a very
26:53
Speaker 9: unique view. In fact, in some ways it could be
26:55
Speaker 9: better than being at the game because you get to
26:56
Speaker 9: change your view throughout the game. But wasn't able to
26:59
Speaker 9: make that work this weekend with lots going on. We
27:03
Speaker 9: had sporting events, and I mean, you know how it
27:05
Speaker 9: is with little kids. There's just a lot going on
27:07
Speaker 9: throughout the weekend. So through the times in between not
27:12
Speaker 9: parenting at sports events and plays and whatnot, had an
27:16
Speaker 9: opportunity to watch these games. And you know, I was
27:19
Speaker 9: very close, o see for the first time ever for
27:22
Speaker 9: nailing the final four. I was three for three and
27:25
Speaker 9: just needed a Duke to not get upset. But obviously
27:29
Speaker 9: that did not happen, so I had My final four
27:32
Speaker 9: was Duke, Illinois, Michigan, and Arizona, with Arizona beating Duke
27:37
Speaker 9: in the national title and feel pretty good about Arizona
27:41
Speaker 9: still winning at all, and just a historic collapse by
27:44
Speaker 9: the Blue Devils, which you hate to see except for
27:46
Speaker 9: those of us that love to see it.
27:47
Speaker 4: Well, that was going to be my next question for you,
27:50
Speaker 4: because it's not like Yukons some little engine that could
27:55
Speaker 4: Cinderella that knocked off Duke. There's plenty of reasons to
27:59
Speaker 4: hate Yukon also, but for some reason, the collective basketball
28:04
Speaker 4: world relish is in the fact that it happens to Duke,
28:08
Speaker 4: even if it's Yukon doing it, just like I couldn't
28:11
Speaker 4: have happened to a better team, Duke, you know, collapsing
28:14
Speaker 4: like this, And I understand why, right, they are the
28:18
Speaker 4: bluest of blue bloods, and there's plenty of things culturally
28:22
Speaker 4: to question about Duke and things like that, But do
28:26
Speaker 4: we have a real reason to hate them as much
28:28
Speaker 4: as we do?
28:30
Speaker 9: Yes, of course we do. Oc Come on, I mean,
28:33
Speaker 9: look for me personally. You know, I grew up in Chicago,
28:37
Speaker 9: and I was a Duke fan when I was a kid.
28:39
Speaker 9: Mike Krzewski is from the Chicago area and really liked
28:42
Speaker 9: their teams, their players. But the moment that I went
28:44
Speaker 9: to Kansas, that one up in the air, and now
28:47
Speaker 9: I have as much hate for Duke as anybody else,
28:50
Speaker 9: as much as Kentucky or North Carolina or Duke. But
28:52
Speaker 9: I think it's just the way that Duke fans carry themselves.
28:56
Speaker 9: And this was evident to me in the twenty twenty
28:59
Speaker 9: two final four. With apologies Denny Duke fans listening out there,
29:02
Speaker 9: that are good people, and many of them I'm sure are.
29:05
Speaker 9: But when I was in the final four twenty twenty two,
29:07
Speaker 9: is my Jayhawks were on the verge of winning a
29:09
Speaker 9: national championship and then eventually did just and that was
29:13
Speaker 9: you know, that was Coach K's last run. It was
29:15
Speaker 9: his his you know, victory lap. And so just the
29:18
Speaker 9: like the mentality of Duke fans in New Orleans was
29:21
Speaker 9: just it was just that of like like an expectation
29:24
Speaker 9: of winning in a way and like, oh, you guys
29:26
Speaker 9: are all just tier for our coronation kind of thing.
29:29
Speaker 9: And I just like, I've been to many final fours
29:31
Speaker 9: and never experienced that from other fan bases. You know,
29:34
Speaker 9: there's usually some good, good natured ribbing, and you know,
29:37
Speaker 9: I was even in New Orleans in twenty eighteen when
29:39
Speaker 9: Louisville and Kentucky played in the Final four, which I mean,
29:42
Speaker 9: those are two fan bases that absolutely hate each other,
29:44
Speaker 9: with the rivalry the passion, but nothing that was just
29:47
Speaker 9: in the level of the entitlement and the condescension from
29:51
Speaker 9: Duke fans. So it is real. It is very much evident,
29:55
Speaker 9: and there is like sort of a you know, like
29:57
Speaker 9: almost like a birthright that Duke fans feel like they
29:59
Speaker 9: have to being in the final four. And you know,
30:01
Speaker 9: Shier is a really good coach, and I'm sure eventually
30:04
Speaker 9: he's going to win a national title and get to
30:06
Speaker 9: a final four, and I mean he's been to one already.
30:08
Speaker 9: But I mean these are back to back collapses of
30:12
Speaker 9: epic proportions. And for me, I mean they were they were.
30:15
Speaker 9: Duke was number one in that rating the difference between
30:19
Speaker 9: from Ken Palm, you know, the offensive rating points scored
30:22
Speaker 9: per hundred possessions and defensive rating points given up possessions.
30:25
Speaker 9: They were Duke at one point this year was number
30:28
Speaker 9: one all time in that list. So this is like
30:30
Speaker 9: an epic collapse. I'm not even to get to the
30:32
Speaker 9: final four.
30:34
Speaker 5: You already know this.
30:35
Speaker 4: Brayln Mullens only hit one three pointer in this game
30:38
Speaker 4: and it happened to be the biggest shot so far
30:41
Speaker 4: of the tournament. And he is going to be a
30:44
Speaker 4: legend in stores for the rest of his life because
30:46
Speaker 4: of it, I don't know if he'll ever achieve a
30:49
Speaker 4: height like this beyond.
30:51
Speaker 3: And so I was asking the question to our listeners.
30:53
Speaker 3: I want to extend it to you.
30:55
Speaker 4: Is there anyone that you have a particular affection for
30:58
Speaker 4: where their tournament, whatever year it was, was very certainly
31:03
Speaker 4: the high point of their athletic career. Even guys who
31:06
Speaker 4: made it to the NBA but never ended up being
31:08
Speaker 4: what we thought they would be in the NBA fit
31:10
Speaker 4: this category for me, Like for me Mateen Cleeves was
31:14
Speaker 4: what was that?
31:14
Speaker 5: Dude?
31:15
Speaker 3: I just I don't know why. I just loved the
31:17
Speaker 3: run that he made.
31:18
Speaker 4: In two thousand, we talked about Tyler Hansborough Suggs from Gonzaga,
31:22
Speaker 4: who's having a really respectable NBA career, isn't talked about
31:27
Speaker 4: the same way in NBA circles as he was in
31:29
Speaker 4: college basketball circles.
31:31
Speaker 3: So, who's your favorite tournament star?
31:36
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's a great question. I mean, like, there were
31:39
Speaker 9: two names that immediately came to mind. The first would
31:41
Speaker 9: be Jimmer, the Jymmer and just how enthralled he had
31:45
Speaker 9: the entire nation. And then number two would be Mario
31:48
Speaker 9: Chalmers you know, for Kansas in two thousand and eight,
31:51
Speaker 9: and Chalmers did play in the pros and I believe
31:53
Speaker 9: he won a championship with the heat as well. But
31:56
Speaker 9: he was really kind of a joke in the NBA
31:59
Speaker 9: in fact, like as part of that Heatle's crew, they
32:01
Speaker 9: constantly like treated him like the younger brother, like the
32:04
Speaker 9: little brother. But the run he had in two thousand
32:06
Speaker 9: and eight was epic, especially hitting that three point shot
32:10
Speaker 9: from the top of the key to send the game
32:12
Speaker 9: to overtime against Memphis in the National Title, which capped
32:14
Speaker 9: off an incredible, you know, comeback for Kansas. So I
32:18
Speaker 9: think in that category, just me personally my own fandom,
32:21
Speaker 9: I think Mario Chalmers probably takes the cake. But no,
32:24
Speaker 9: I mean there's plenty of them. I mean, just legendary
32:26
Speaker 9: players that maybe didn't reach the heights in the NBA
32:29
Speaker 9: that were expected based on the success the head in
32:31
Speaker 9: college or you know, some of them do. I think
32:34
Speaker 9: Suggs is a great example of a guy that had
32:36
Speaker 9: an epic run and probably hasn't been as good as
32:38
Speaker 9: we thought he would be as a top five pick.
32:40
Speaker 9: But there's a lot of good ones. And I mean
32:43
Speaker 9: it's crazy too because We've seen a few examples of
32:48
Speaker 9: teams go, especially in the Big Twelve, just completely ice
32:51
Speaker 9: cold in games. And you know, Kelvin Sampson after Houston
32:54
Speaker 9: was eliminated basically and because they went ice cold on
32:57
Speaker 9: the stretch of that game and they just could not
32:59
Speaker 9: hit a shot. Sampson's like, sometimes making shots is contagious,
33:02
Speaker 9: and sometimes missing shots is contagious. What's maybe most amazing
33:05
Speaker 9: about the run that Yukon went on is they were
33:08
Speaker 9: one for eighteen from three at one point in that game.
33:11
Speaker 9: So to think that they would close it out by
33:13
Speaker 9: hitting the amount of threes they needed to hit in
33:15
Speaker 9: order to get back in it and then win it,
33:17
Speaker 9: it's kind of a miraculous considering. Yeah, I think Sampson's right.
33:19
Speaker 9: Sometimes making shots is absolutely contagious, but sometimes missing them
33:23
Speaker 9: is two. And you know, you feel like, if you're
33:24
Speaker 9: one for eighteen, how can that team make it up
33:27
Speaker 9: threes in order to come back in the game. And
33:29
Speaker 9: they did it was I think like the ultimate story
33:31
Speaker 9: here is not that this is like some you know,
33:33
Speaker 9: like you mentioned like this is this is a power
33:36
Speaker 9: This is the third Final Four now for you kind
33:37
Speaker 9: of last four years. It's got a chance to win
33:40
Speaker 9: a third championship in four years that has been done
33:41
Speaker 9: since John Wooden's UCLA team. So, by no means are
33:44
Speaker 9: they an upset. I just think it was the way
33:46
Speaker 9: in which it happened, and especially given you know how
33:49
Speaker 9: strong of the season Duke had and how many epic
33:51
Speaker 9: you know players they've had the last two years. To
33:53
Speaker 9: not win a championship, considering they're gonna have like, you know, three,
33:57
Speaker 9: possibly four top ten picks the last two years, is
34:00
Speaker 9: kind of insane.
34:02
Speaker 4: I know nobody asked for it, but because you mentioned
34:05
Speaker 4: Mario Chalmers, I was like, let's see what Mario Chalmers
34:08
Speaker 4: pro career ended up looking like.
34:11
Speaker 5: He played plenty.
34:12
Speaker 4: He played from two thousand and eight to twenty eighteen
34:15
Speaker 4: in the Association, Miami Heat, then Memphis Grizzlies. He did
34:20
Speaker 4: not hang it up after twenty eighteen. He went to Italy,
34:24
Speaker 4: he went to Greece, he went to Puerto Rico. He
34:27
Speaker 4: spent some time in the G League, and this is
34:29
Speaker 4: my favorite. His last professional stop was in the Philippines,
34:34
Speaker 4: playing for the Filipino Three on three Basketball League for
34:38
Speaker 4: the Zamba Wonga Valientes. Okay, so next time somebody asks
34:46
Speaker 4: you Hey, whatever happened to my Mario Chalmers? You'll be
34:48
Speaker 4: able to answer, Oh, yeah, he finished his career in
34:51
Speaker 4: a three on three league in the Philippines, And.
34:55
Speaker 9: I can tell you, you know, some guys they can't
34:57
Speaker 9: hang it out because the love of the game, And
34:59
Speaker 9: but that that reads like a career of a guy
35:02
Speaker 9: that did not do a good enough job in saving
35:03
Speaker 9: his NBA chests.
35:06
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe I don't I don't want to know. I
35:08
Speaker 4: don't want to say because I don't know one hundred percent.
35:11
Speaker 4: But uh, actually, the Zomblanca Valientes actually have a pretty
35:14
Speaker 4: cool logo, so I'm might have to find some gear
35:18
Speaker 4: and send it out to our attention.
35:21
Speaker 9: They also did Chalmers playing the Big Three at one
35:24
Speaker 9: point too, the ice cube three on three leagues, so
35:26
Speaker 9: maybe that that kind of set him up to play
35:29
Speaker 9: three and three professionally in the Philippines. I don't know.
35:31
Speaker 9: I feel like there was a point in time where
35:33
Speaker 9: he was playing with a few other members of that
35:34
Speaker 9: two thousand and eight National Championship winning Kansas team, and
35:38
Speaker 9: that's when you look at there may be no better
35:41
Speaker 9: example of how much better the the like players in
35:44
Speaker 9: the competition has gotten in college basketball than that Final
35:47
Speaker 9: four because it was really good from a player perspective.
35:51
Speaker 9: Ucla and North Carolina were also in it, but Memphis
35:54
Speaker 9: was basically Derreck Rose and a bunch of spares, and
35:57
Speaker 9: I mean spares in terms of like guys that we're
35:59
Speaker 9: not going to have prolific and is really evn NBA
36:01
Speaker 9: crews at all. I mean, Chris Douglas Roberts is a
36:03
Speaker 9: really good college player, never really did anything in the NBA.
36:06
Speaker 9: I mean much of that team the same. And then
36:09
Speaker 9: Kansas too, Like the best player maybe from an NBA
36:12
Speaker 9: perspective that was on that roster was maybe Darrell Arthur
36:15
Speaker 9: and he's not like a household NBA name. So now
36:18
Speaker 9: we're looking at rosters here that are i mean a
36:21
Speaker 9: final four that is flush with top ten picks, you
36:24
Speaker 9: know guys that could be you know, decades long starters
36:27
Speaker 9: in the NBA. And that's both from like a freshman
36:29
Speaker 9: perspective because of how good distression classes, but also because
36:32
Speaker 9: of euros. So it's actually sort of interesting to see
36:34
Speaker 9: how far the sport has come to two thousand and eight,
36:37
Speaker 9: because like those two teams that met in the National
36:40
Speaker 9: Title Game are not that good in terms of like
36:41
Speaker 9: NBA talent, all.
36:44
Speaker 4: Right, timkot for a couple more minutes here on the
36:46
Speaker 4: Sean O'Connell shows. So, uh, Michigan Arizona. A lot of
36:50
Speaker 4: people feel like this is maybe the game that's going
36:53
Speaker 4: to produce the eventual national champion. Michigan has been rolling
36:57
Speaker 4: through this tournament so far. How does their zone to
37:00
Speaker 4: make sure they don't get rolled?
37:02
Speaker 5: Well?
37:02
Speaker 9: And that is going to be the positioning here. And
37:04
Speaker 9: I don't know that I buy it because Yukon, like
37:07
Speaker 9: it's Yukon. You can't kill them. They're so well coached.
37:10
Speaker 9: And again they're trying to win three national championships in
37:12
Speaker 9: four years, so you got to give them that credit.
37:14
Speaker 9: And Illinois is the tallest team in college basketball and
37:16
Speaker 9: they're like they're there are no fluke here. So while
37:20
Speaker 9: I do think like the story going in is the
37:22
Speaker 9: fact that Michigan and and you know, the only two
37:25
Speaker 9: one seats left, the two best teams they were, they
37:27
Speaker 9: were both plus thirty five and the net rating when
37:30
Speaker 9: you know, when when when the tournament started, So they're
37:32
Speaker 9: you know, they're the bells of the ball if you will,
37:33
Speaker 9: but you make no mistake about it. Whoever wins an
37:35
Speaker 9: Illinois Yukon game will have as good of a shot
37:37
Speaker 9: to win the national title as Michigan or Arizona. To me,
37:40
Speaker 9: Arizona Michigan are very similar teams. I just think Arizona's
37:44
Speaker 9: better and not that like you know that that says
37:47
Speaker 9: that Michigan's not good. I mean this is Michigan's been
37:49
Speaker 9: one of the best teams in college basketball all year,
37:51
Speaker 9: but so two is Arizona. I just don't think Michigan's
37:54
Speaker 9: guard play is as good or as deep as Arizona's.
37:58
Speaker 9: I mean, Cado is really good, but like yat Matt
38:00
Speaker 9: for Arizona, you look at what they have with Berries
38:03
Speaker 9: and with Bradley, and then you know, if del Orso
38:05
Speaker 9: gets going, I mean they're they're they're three point shooting
38:08
Speaker 9: really can take off. So and then the biggest difference
38:12
Speaker 9: within the game was in the game here is turnovers.
38:14
Speaker 9: Michigan is not very good in terms of keeping you know, uh,
38:18
Speaker 9: not turn the basketball over. And I mean Arizona is
38:22
Speaker 9: they don't turn the ball over, and they can turn
38:24
Speaker 9: you over because their defense is number one and Ken
38:26
Speaker 9: Palm so and we saw that, I mean against Purdue
38:30
Speaker 9: it was the number one Ken Pump defense, the number
38:32
Speaker 9: one Ken Pum offense, and I mean for the second
38:34
Speaker 9: half of that game, Arizona completely silenced Ken Pump's top offense.
38:38
Speaker 9: So I think, you know, I do think Arizona wins.
38:40
Speaker 9: I think Arizona is going to win the national championship.
38:43
Speaker 9: I mean, they're that good, and they're that deep, and
38:45
Speaker 9: I mean there's a couple of long streaks that play
38:48
Speaker 9: here which are important for Utah. Number one and I
38:52
Speaker 9: mean the state of Utah. Number one is you know,
38:54
Speaker 9: it's well documented Arizona was the last team west of
38:57
Speaker 9: Texas to win a national championship in college basket. Well,
39:00
Speaker 9: there's been a huge, you know, drought for teams you know,
39:03
Speaker 9: basically west of the state of Texas, and really what
39:04
Speaker 9: we're talking about here is west of the school for Baylor,
39:07
Speaker 9: which fit in twenty twenty one. Beyond that, Arizona last
39:09
Speaker 9: one in ninety seven. So obviously that's great for the
39:11
Speaker 9: state of Utah. Arizona can break through and end that streak.
39:14
Speaker 9: The other one is you mentioned this the mtteen Cleeves,
39:16
Speaker 9: Michigan state team. Do you realize that's the last Big
39:18
Speaker 9: Ten team to win a national championship.
39:20
Speaker 5: I did not realize on thousand.
39:22
Speaker 9: In two thousand, the Big Ten has not won a
39:24
Speaker 9: national title since matteen Cleves and Tomazo, and that Michigan
39:28
Speaker 9: State team did it in two thousand. They've got two
39:31
Speaker 9: teams obviously in the final four with Illinois and Michigan.
39:34
Speaker 9: So somewhere along the way, unless Yukon wins in a
39:37
Speaker 9: long streak, is going to end this year.
39:39
Speaker 5: Wow.
39:43
Speaker 4: Bill self controlling the narrative right now about rumors around
39:48
Speaker 4: retirement and things like that. As a Kansas guy who
39:52
Speaker 4: also spends a lot of time here in the Pac twelve,
39:55
Speaker 4: what do you make of this?
39:57
Speaker 5: What are you hearing that we're not hearing?
40:00
Speaker 9: You know a week ago? And I think when I
40:03
Speaker 9: was on with you a week ago, I probably mentioned
40:05
Speaker 9: that I would put it on a greater likelihood that
40:08
Speaker 9: self is done, and I feel like a week later,
40:10
Speaker 9: a lot has changed. The number one thing that stands
40:13
Speaker 9: out to me more than anything is the recruiting class.
40:16
Speaker 9: I mean they Kansas right now is a top five
40:18
Speaker 9: recruiting class. And that doesn't even take into account the
40:21
Speaker 9: number one player in the nation who is very much
40:23
Speaker 9: firmly leaning towards Kansas, which is tired Stokes. So last
40:27
Speaker 9: year Kansas was seventeenth in the recruiting rankings, even with
40:30
Speaker 9: Starret Peterson. So like the fact that they are recruiting
40:34
Speaker 9: at this high level and the fact that Stokes hasn't
40:37
Speaker 9: yet decided but seems to be leaning Kansas. Says that
40:40
Speaker 9: Bill self is not going anywhere, especially for this season.
40:43
Speaker 9: So you know, while we haven't heard from him and
40:46
Speaker 9: it feels like we've been waiting for something, I think
40:50
Speaker 9: the news centers on the commitments they've gotten. And if
40:53
Speaker 9: we do find out, because it feels like Stokes is
40:55
Speaker 9: closer and closer to making his commitment, that he does
40:58
Speaker 9: commit to Kansas, then that will tell that's all we
41:00
Speaker 9: need to know. Bill self isn't going to bring in
41:02
Speaker 9: the number one recruiting class in the nation and then retire.
41:05
Speaker 9: I think he would look at it as a way
41:06
Speaker 9: to go out potentially with his best foot forward, and
41:10
Speaker 9: you know we'll see I mean, look that from a
41:14
Speaker 9: This is a guy that was at one point the
41:15
Speaker 9: best coach in the game, won two national titles, four
41:17
Speaker 9: final fours, but they haven't gotten on the first weekend
41:20
Speaker 9: since went into the title in twenty twenty two and
41:22
Speaker 9: I think some of that is, you know, not just player,
41:25
Speaker 9: but I mean they just have. They've been in the
41:27
Speaker 9: fifties or mid fifties in offensive efficiency since twenty twenty two,
41:31
Speaker 9: and it's not good enough to have that bad of
41:33
Speaker 9: an offense in modern college basketball. And you know, you
41:36
Speaker 9: could chalk it up before to maybe a Hunter Dickinson
41:38
Speaker 9: and some of the older players that have been around
41:40
Speaker 9: that weren't as good offensively that that bogged them down.
41:43
Speaker 9: But even this year, it's like it just the ball
41:45
Speaker 9: stuff too much, wasn't good enough. Maybe again it was
41:47
Speaker 9: Darren Peterson to lack of cohesion, but whatever it is,
41:50
Speaker 9: it's got to be fixed for self to have a
41:51
Speaker 9: better run, a longer run, and get out of the
41:53
Speaker 9: first weekend, because it's not just about personnel. It's also
41:56
Speaker 9: about you know, the x's and o's and how they
42:00
Speaker 9: can become a better, more consistent offense. Their defense doesn't
42:03
Speaker 9: really taken much of a step back, and as we're seeing,
42:05
Speaker 9: you need to have any elite defense, but you also
42:07
Speaker 9: can't be mid fifties or sixties in offense trying to
42:10
Speaker 9: make a deep run in this postseason.
42:13
Speaker 4: It's probably triggering me because of the whole Kyle Whittingham
42:16
Speaker 4: saga that really if we look at it stretched for
42:19
Speaker 4: three or four years, where it's like every season started
42:23
Speaker 4: with the question, Hey, is this going to be the
42:25
Speaker 4: last one. So even if if Bill, let's say Bill
42:27
Speaker 4: self does secure himself the recruiting class that Jayhawks fans
42:31
Speaker 4: are hoping for, then the next question we go, oh, wow, awesome,
42:34
Speaker 4: you're right, he's not going to retire. Now, then the
42:36
Speaker 4: question is, wait, what is he going to retire after
42:39
Speaker 4: this season? And if he doesn't, it's is he going
42:42
Speaker 4: to retire after this season? How do you handle that
42:46
Speaker 4: if you're Kansas.
42:47
Speaker 9: I mean, it's a great point, and I think there's
42:50
Speaker 9: like a winningham ness to it from the standpoint of
42:54
Speaker 9: if you were to push self out the door as
42:56
Speaker 9: a pretty high likelihood that he coaches again if he
42:58
Speaker 9: still wanted to. And so there's your Whittingham situation where
43:03
Speaker 9: you thought that this guy was going to retire as
43:04
Speaker 9: a head coach your team, and you know, now he
43:07
Speaker 9: leaves and has his cake and eats it two, so
43:10
Speaker 9: to speak. So but I don't think number one, there's
43:13
Speaker 9: no coach in waiting. People have thought about Jacques Vaughan.
43:16
Speaker 9: You know who is a legendary Kansas Jayhawk and is
43:19
Speaker 9: the head assistant now on staff for the first year
43:22
Speaker 9: this year. There's been nothing formal said about that, and
43:25
Speaker 9: you know, I'd be quite honestly, I'd be shocked if
43:27
Speaker 9: they just handed him the keys. But it also sort
43:30
Speaker 9: of looks at like, Okay, what does do self want
43:33
Speaker 9: to put Jack von in a position to kind of
43:34
Speaker 9: succeed him? Succeed him? And you know, would would next
43:38
Speaker 9: year be a great transitional period regardless of the outcome
43:41
Speaker 9: of the season. I get one hundred percent the comparison
43:46
Speaker 9: there to Winningham, and I think there are a few
43:48
Speaker 9: ways that this could go down that we've very parallel
43:50
Speaker 9: to the Whitningham situation. So and that I think is
43:53
Speaker 9: just makes for the theater of college sports and college athletics,
43:57
Speaker 9: and like, you know, it's really hard to stay at
44:00
Speaker 9: the top forever, and you know there's multiple ways to
44:04
Speaker 9: do it. But I think you know, whether it's keeping
44:07
Speaker 9: the same coach and that same coach is going to
44:09
Speaker 9: be epic and amazing forever, or getting rid of that
44:12
Speaker 9: great coach when you know when he's at his heights
44:14
Speaker 9: of his power and bring in another coach, not letting
44:17
Speaker 9: that coach lead because they can come become a great
44:19
Speaker 9: coach somewhere else. Like, these are all things at play
44:21
Speaker 9: that I know are at play for Utah and are
44:24
Speaker 9: going to be a play for Kansas too. So it
44:26
Speaker 9: is really interesting. And the coaching dynamic when to step down,
44:29
Speaker 9: when to push out, and when you know you've got
44:31
Speaker 9: a guy on staff that you don't want to lose,
44:34
Speaker 9: you play kin to them enough to where you give
44:37
Speaker 9: him of a runway so they don't leave and go
44:39
Speaker 9: be you know, great elsewhere. But just balancing the legendary status. Obviously,
44:44
Speaker 9: the difference there between self and Whittingham is Whittingham won
44:47
Speaker 9: you know, conference titles. Self won national titles, and so
44:50
Speaker 9: there's probably a little bit more you know, grace for
44:53
Speaker 9: a coach doing that. If Witningham had won multiple national
44:55
Speaker 9: championships at Utah, I don't think we would have had
44:58
Speaker 9: this situation.
45:00
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think so either, But who knows. Before
45:02
Speaker 3: I let you go, you have to choose one.
45:05
Speaker 4: Is there a spring football storyline or narrative in the
45:09
Speaker 4: Big twelve that is intriguing you most?
45:12
Speaker 9: Oh? Man, Well, so I'll keep it local because these
45:17
Speaker 9: are two that are top of mind. I think when
45:19
Speaker 9: you look at the top two three teams in this
45:21
Speaker 9: conference heading end of the season, they're very much as
45:23
Speaker 9: BYU in Utah. Utah is super interesting because of the
45:28
Speaker 9: turnover and their roster, and yet despite that, it feels
45:31
Speaker 9: like they're really set up for success based in the
45:34
Speaker 9: quarterback and running back positions. The biggest question obviously is
45:36
Speaker 9: to make sure that offensive lines and take a huge
45:38
Speaker 9: step back because of all the players they are losing.
45:41
Speaker 9: But I mean, I look at this running offense and think,
45:44
Speaker 9: you know, the guys they've got back with Devin Dan Pierre,
45:46
Speaker 9: this should be a explosive rush offense. And as we know,
45:50
Speaker 9: you know, he who has the best rushing offense the
45:51
Speaker 9: Big twelve most likely will win the Big twelve. And
45:54
Speaker 9: so I think Utah is certainly front and center for
45:56
Speaker 9: that conversation. And then you know, the subplot to the
45:58
Speaker 9: Utah storyline obviously is the coaches they've lost, the players
46:02
Speaker 9: they've lost, you know who they've gained, all that stuff,
46:06
Speaker 9: And then BYU is just crazy because like all of
46:11
Speaker 9: the year over year numbers that you look at that
46:14
Speaker 9: would show regression injury luck, close game luck, and turnovers.
46:21
Speaker 9: Those are things that would tell you that Byu is
46:23
Speaker 9: due for a really bad year this year. But the
46:25
Speaker 9: same is true last year, so you know, but they
46:30
Speaker 9: don't have the same defensive coordinator. Obviously he left with
46:32
Speaker 9: Winningham to go to Michigan, So does that change the
46:34
Speaker 9: dynamics from a turnover perspective. But they've been really quote
46:38
Speaker 9: unquote lucky in turnovers last couple of seasons, and usually
46:41
Speaker 9: that tends to change year overy year. But they were
46:43
Speaker 9: really good again last year despite being really really good
46:46
Speaker 9: two years ago in those So for me, that's really
46:48
Speaker 9: intriguing because Byu, if they once again check all three
46:51
Speaker 9: of those boxes, it would be kind of anomaly because again,
46:54
Speaker 9: those things tend to even out your over year injury, luck,
46:57
Speaker 9: winning and losing close games, and turnovers, and those were
46:59
Speaker 9: three areas at Yu excelled that the last two years.
47:04
Speaker 4: Allri, it's always great catching up with you. Enjoy the
47:07
Speaker 4: rest of this March madness, and we'll talk again next week.
47:11
Speaker 9: Take care, brother, great talking as always, Be.
47:13
Speaker 5: Well, Ari Temkin. I mean, it.
47:17
Speaker 4: Is hard to find anyone better in the sports media
47:20
Speaker 4: world than him when it comes to the versatility the
47:23
Speaker 4: knowledge base on football basketball. I could ask him Big
47:28
Speaker 4: twelve Softball questions if we wanted to. He's a huge
47:31
Speaker 4: asset for us in the Big twelve Conference, and obviously
47:33
Speaker 4: here in Salt Lake City quick break, the Hot Lunch
47:37
Speaker 4: coming next, and we got to talk about one of
47:41
Speaker 4: the all time greats in the sports world in any capacity,
47:47
Speaker 4: true legend, having once again his name in the headlines
47:51
Speaker 4: for the wrong reasons. It's the Sean O'Connell Show on
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Speaker 4: ESPN seven hundred and ninety two ONEm It's.
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Speaker 5: The Best, Claire.
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Speaker 1: You're listening to a Sean O'Connell show from the Murdoch
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Speaker 5: And Hot Lunch here on the Shan O'Connell Show.
48:22
Speaker 4: Hopefully you checked out Big Willies for the Hot Lunch
48:24
Speaker 4: last week. If you had a week's worth of Big
48:28
Speaker 4: Willies and you want to mix it up a little bit,
48:30
Speaker 4: try Burger Fusion at Trolley Square. We're gonna get to
48:36
Speaker 4: the Tiger Woods conversation because unfortunately, sadly, it's once again
48:41
Speaker 4: a major headline. I want to give that enough space
48:44
Speaker 4: and enough time, and I just I will do my
48:49
Speaker 4: best to not try to send people scrambling to social
48:51
Speaker 4: media because I think that you can get sucked in
48:54
Speaker 4: the doom scroll and I'd rather have people experience their
48:57
Speaker 4: lives and live and you know, keep your eyes off
49:00
Speaker 4: your phone as much as you can. But it is
49:03
Speaker 4: worth taking some time to find the video of Dan
49:08
Speaker 4: Hurley going forehead to forehead with a referee after that
49:12
Speaker 4: buzzer beater shot went in for Yukon as they're pulling
49:18
Speaker 4: off this huge comeback upset over Duke It. The Hurley
49:22
Speaker 4: family is absolutely unhinged, all right. We saw plenty of
49:27
Speaker 4: it when they were players. We saw Bobby Hurley in
49:30
Speaker 4: the Pac twelve Conference and then the Big twelve Conference.
49:33
Speaker 4: Dan Hurley, the dad was a coach. The mom they
49:37
Speaker 4: zoomed in on the mom her reaction did the buzzer
49:43
Speaker 4: beater three pointer going in, Holy bleep and bleep. You
49:48
Speaker 4: could easily mouth read like this eighty saighty five year
49:53
Speaker 4: old woman just cursed like a sailor because of the
49:56
Speaker 4: shock and awe. But one of the most bizarre things
50:01
Speaker 4: that you will find from that Elite eight Send your
50:05
Speaker 4: team to the Final Four scenario is Hurley during his
50:09
Speaker 4: celebration the referee comes up to him, and they must
50:12
Speaker 4: have some kind of personal relationship because he doesn't say anything,
50:19
Speaker 4: but he kind of like there's like an intensity to
50:24
Speaker 4: the moment and he goes forehead to forehead with the referee.
50:28
Speaker 4: I wish there was a better video element to our
50:31
Speaker 4: show so we could tellustrate what was going on here.
50:33
Speaker 4: I don't know how. I'm glad there was not a
50:37
Speaker 4: foul call. I'm glad he didn't get tecked up and
50:39
Speaker 4: have that change the outcome of the game or whatever.
50:42
Speaker 4: I need to know more about the relationship he has
50:44
Speaker 4: with that referee, because in every other scenario a coach
50:49
Speaker 4: makes physical contact with the referee chest the chest, forehead
50:52
Speaker 4: to forehead. It was like a baseball umpire encounter, and
50:57
Speaker 4: the ref just walked off and her. I don't think
50:59
Speaker 4: he was b being mad at the referee, obviously, because
51:02
Speaker 4: there's no reason to be mad in that situation. But
51:04
Speaker 4: it was such an odd choice for the head coach
51:08
Speaker 4: of a team that is seconds away from winning a
51:10
Speaker 4: game to make.
51:12
Speaker 3: It was very weird. If you haven't seen it, go
51:16
Speaker 3: find it.
51:17
Speaker 5: It's up.
51:17
Speaker 4: You can find it on Twitter, you can find it
51:19
Speaker 4: on any of these sports websites. I have a hard
51:25
Speaker 4: time explaining other than like these guys must be like
51:28
Speaker 4: kind of like low key friends outside. And the referee
51:32
Speaker 4: was kind of coming up to be like, wow, I
51:34
Speaker 4: can't believe that happened, and he was kind of like, yeah,
51:37
Speaker 4: what's up, like so intense. I mean, it's a lighthead butt. Strange,
51:45
Speaker 4: very very very strange. So that was my hot lunch
51:50
Speaker 4: for you. Okay, we're gonna take a break here when
51:53
Speaker 4: we come back. And I put this I put this
51:56
Speaker 4: question out on Twitter, and I think that, you know, uh,
51:59
Speaker 4: people are trying to index towards positivity right now. I
52:02
Speaker 4: think people want to be a little bit more on
52:05
Speaker 4: the happy side of things, which makes sense to me
52:08
Speaker 4: because very little response to the question, who is there
52:12
Speaker 4: a professional athlete, a whatever athlete? Is there a downfall
52:17
Speaker 4: in sports that has been hardest for you to watch?
52:21
Speaker 4: Somebody just not figuring it out. Maybe maybe it's in
52:23
Speaker 4: pop culture. Maybe there's a celebrity you're a huge fan
52:26
Speaker 4: of eight seven seven three five to three zero seven hundred.
52:30
Speaker 4: Tiger Woods arrested for dui again. He's got issues, rollover
52:38
Speaker 4: crash again. How can you save Tiger Woods? We'll get
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Speaker 5: Me yam, and I can tell you.
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Speaker 4: Name.
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Speaker 4: All right, full disclosure here on the Sean O'Connell Shaw,
53:28
Speaker 4: I am probably the last person who should be talking
53:31
Speaker 4: about Tiger Woods, But for some reason, every time there's
53:35
Speaker 4: a Tiger Woods headline, I feel like I have to
53:38
Speaker 4: talk about Tiger Woods. I feel like it is one
53:41
Speaker 4: of those things that is a sports broadcaster. You have
53:45
Speaker 4: to have an opinion about Tiger Woods. You have to
53:48
Speaker 4: have some kind of take on what's going on. Whenever
53:51
Speaker 4: Tiger Woods is winning, staging a comeback, having surgery, obviously,
53:57
Speaker 4: the scandal, all that stuff. The reason I feel like
53:59
Speaker 4: I I'm the last person who should be doing it
54:03
Speaker 4: is because even when it like Tiger's glorious, glorious highest peak. Okay,
54:10
Speaker 4: I was watching Tiger with no more than casual curiosity.
54:17
Speaker 4: The whole thing did not appeal to me. Does not
54:22
Speaker 4: appeal to me in the same way it does everyone else.
54:25
Speaker 10: Now.
54:26
Speaker 4: I find Tiger Woods fascinating from that peak era because
54:31
Speaker 4: of his intimidation factor in a sport where I don't
54:34
Speaker 4: think intimidation should be a thing. I find him fascinating
54:39
Speaker 4: because he was such a dominant champion, and any dominant
54:43
Speaker 4: champion in any sport, in any competition, deserves your attention
54:48
Speaker 4: in that regard. But I was not ever caught up
54:53
Speaker 4: in the Tiger Woods hype. I was on the air,
54:56
Speaker 4: I remember so distinctly. It was my first year on
54:59
Speaker 4: the air, my first job in full time sports talk radio.
55:03
Speaker 4: I was doing the Hands in oc show with Hans
55:05
Speaker 4: Olsen and the Tiger Woods. The car accident, the golf
55:11
Speaker 4: club with the wife, the cheating scandal, all that stuff broke,
55:16
Speaker 4: and I remember being like, geez, this is like kind
55:21
Speaker 4: of not even our business, but of course it is,
55:26
Speaker 4: because you know, most of you out there listening were
55:30
Speaker 4: wearing Tiger Woods Nike golf gear at the time.
55:34
Speaker 3: So there was this reaction.
55:36
Speaker 4: And there's always been a reaction to everything Tiger does, good, bad, indifferent,
55:40
Speaker 4: There's always been this reaction. We're in a stage of
55:43
Speaker 4: life now where fifty year old Tiger Woods has given
55:47
Speaker 4: us plenty of evidence over the years that this man
55:50
Speaker 4: has very serious addiction problems, and we treat him a
55:53
Speaker 4: little bit differently than we do other addicts because he's
55:58
Speaker 4: a billionaire. We saw him at his incredible peak because
56:03
Speaker 4: he was always placed on this pedestal that is, I mean, among.
56:09
Speaker 3: The rarest of rarities in all sports.
56:14
Speaker 4: If you're doing a mount Rushmore of just like megastars
56:18
Speaker 4: in sports, not doing a basketball mount rushmore, a basket
56:22
Speaker 4: or a football mount Rushmore or a golf mount Rushmore.
56:26
Speaker 4: If you're just like, hey, who are the biggest sports
56:27
Speaker 4: stars that you've ever paid attention to that you have
56:31
Speaker 4: seen in your years as a fan? Right, Well, you're
56:36
Speaker 4: probably putting Lebron on there. You're probably putting Tom Brady
56:39
Speaker 4: on there. If you're a football guy, You're probably putting
56:42
Speaker 4: Michael Jordan on there alongside Lebron potentially if you're in
56:46
Speaker 4: my age group. And Tiger Woods for most people is
56:51
Speaker 4: at least in that conversation, at least belongs there. Tiger
56:54
Speaker 4: Woods was a cultural is and was a cultural phenomenon. Well,
56:59
Speaker 4: Tiger Woods got another DUI arrest, another rollover crash. The
57:06
Speaker 4: last time he got in a crash and was found
57:08
Speaker 4: with his car running the the charge was pled down
57:16
Speaker 4: to reckless driving or whatever. This is a man with
57:20
Speaker 4: his very serious problem, and it's one of those very
57:25
Speaker 4: serious problems that as just a human, but certainly as
57:30
Speaker 4: a sports fan, you have the hardest time figuring out
57:34
Speaker 4: why it can't be figured, why it can't be solved.
57:42
Speaker 4: You can find any number of articles right now talking
57:45
Speaker 4: about Tiger Woods the control freak. That's why he doesn't
57:48
Speaker 4: accept help from anyone. Tiger Woods the alpha. That's why
57:52
Speaker 4: you can't tell him what to do. You can't get
57:54
Speaker 4: him into rehab, you can't get him to do this,
57:56
Speaker 4: you can't get him to do that. Tiger Woods is
57:59
Speaker 4: too prow He's had his privacy invaded since he was
58:03
Speaker 4: a young kid. So now he wants to be so
58:05
Speaker 4: private that he refuses to hire a driver. He won't
58:09
Speaker 4: let somebody close enough to him, in his circle, in
58:13
Speaker 4: his life enough to be there to prevent these types
58:18
Speaker 4: of incidents. And we've done it with NFL athletes, We've
58:24
Speaker 4: done it with NBA athletes, major League Baseball players. When
58:28
Speaker 4: guys have these alcohol problems, they have multiple DUIs. They
58:30
Speaker 4: have issues with DUIs. We do the thing I mean,
58:34
Speaker 4: we do the thing I'm doing right now. How come
58:36
Speaker 4: you can't figure it out? It's the easiest thing in
58:40
Speaker 4: the world. You can afford it. In the NFL, there's
58:42
Speaker 4: absolutely no excuse for you to ever drive drunk because
58:46
Speaker 4: they will send a car service to pick you up
58:49
Speaker 4: wherever you are, whenever you are. There's a hotline number
58:53
Speaker 4: that every NFL player has access to, every NFL coach
58:57
Speaker 4: has access too to prevent exactly this. That multi billion
59:02
Speaker 4: dollar industry has acknowledged that it is a major perception
59:05
Speaker 4: problem for them, and they have put things in place that, again,
59:09
Speaker 4: are only useful if people use them, And the same
59:13
Speaker 4: is true.
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Speaker 5: For tiger Woods. You have all the money in the world.
59:18
Speaker 5: That is not an issue for you, all right.
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Speaker 4: It doesn't seem like it's an issue for tiger Woods
59:24
Speaker 4: that people don't care about him. He's got growing, grown
59:28
Speaker 4: children right now, He's got a girlfriend that, apparently, if
59:32
Speaker 4: they believe the tabloids, is very very upset about this
59:35
Speaker 4: and is issuing ultimatums. Did you know that tiger Woods
59:38
Speaker 4: most of your problems? Do you know that Tiger Woods
59:41
Speaker 4: is not allowed to drive certain people around because of
59:44
Speaker 4: the Secret Service.
59:48
Speaker 5: Is he is dating Donald Trump Junior's ex wife.
59:55
Speaker 4: So the President of the United States grandkids are sometimes
1:00:00
Speaker 4: hanging out with Tiger Woods. Tiger Woods is not allowed
1:00:03
Speaker 4: to drive when those kids are with him. Did you
1:00:07
Speaker 4: know that the Secret Service, obviously under their purview is
1:00:12
Speaker 4: the president, the vice president, former presidents, family members of
1:00:16
Speaker 4: former presidents, and they identified early in the process that
1:00:22
Speaker 4: that could be an issue with Tiger Woods. So Tiger
1:00:25
Speaker 4: Woods is apparently not allowed to drive Vanessa Trump's children,
1:00:31
Speaker 4: his girlfriend's children around. I'm stating that more is just
1:00:39
Speaker 4: like a curiosity. It's not some like breaking news revelation.
1:00:42
Speaker 4: But this is a guy who has been for somebody
1:00:49
Speaker 4: called into the Dan Patrick Show today and was on
1:00:53
Speaker 4: the verge of tears talking about how much Tiger Woods
1:00:57
Speaker 4: means to him, not because he has met Tiger Woods,
1:01:01
Speaker 4: not because he was mentored by Tiger Woods, but because
1:01:05
Speaker 4: Tiger Woods was a reason he became a fan of golf.
1:01:10
Speaker 4: And by becoming a fan of golf, this man who
1:01:13
Speaker 4: called into the Dan Patrick Show was able to get
1:01:16
Speaker 4: closer to his dad, who is a big golf fan,
1:01:20
Speaker 4: and then suddenly they had their thing that they shared
1:01:22
Speaker 4: and they golf together, and they watched golf together and
1:01:25
Speaker 4: all that stuff.
1:01:26
Speaker 3: And he attributes Tiger Woods for the so.
1:01:28
Speaker 4: Ti Tiger Woods is a guy that people care about,
1:01:32
Speaker 4: not just on the oh, you're a celebrity, so we
1:01:34
Speaker 4: care about you level. He has people in his life
1:01:38
Speaker 4: and not everyone does. I mean, we've seen some of
1:01:42
Speaker 4: these individuals. They burn bridges so aggressively that eventually it's
1:01:46
Speaker 4: like man who is going to save lamar Odom?
1:01:49
Speaker 3: Who is going to save Antonio Brown? Who is going
1:01:52
Speaker 3: to be there for these individuals.
1:01:55
Speaker 4: Tiger Woods is the hardest of all of them for
1:01:57
Speaker 4: me to explain, because you don't expect it from this
1:02:04
Speaker 4: demographic of society, like the country club set very literally
1:02:10
Speaker 4: is Tiger Woods world, and you don't hear about it,
1:02:15
Speaker 4: think about it, worry about it as often. With that,
1:02:18
Speaker 4: it's not like he doesn't have the traditional story of
1:02:22
Speaker 4: the lack of mentorship, the troubled upbringing. If anything, it
1:02:25
Speaker 4: was like the opposite way, right, It was too much
1:02:30
Speaker 4: time with an example that maybe ended up being problematic
1:02:34
Speaker 4: for him. There's nothing here for me. I'm not going
1:02:40
Speaker 4: to give you some revelation of like this is how
1:02:43
Speaker 4: tiger woods can be fixed.
1:02:45
Speaker 3: This is how Tiger woods can be saved.
1:02:48
Speaker 4: In the NFL or the NBA, there are league processes
1:02:51
Speaker 4: that happen with this in golf, especially where Tiger is
1:02:55
Speaker 4: at right now as a golfer. The PGA doesn't have
1:03:01
Speaker 4: to do anything to help him, like they're his competitors.
1:03:06
Speaker 3: Is It's just a very odd spot.
1:03:10
Speaker 4: And it's a tragic and terrible thing to see somebody
1:03:13
Speaker 4: who has every opportunity that everyone wishes they had, at
1:03:17
Speaker 4: least on paper, continuing to be a risk to himself
1:03:21
Speaker 4: and to others by getting behind the wheel while impaired
1:03:25
Speaker 4: and can't figure out when to say when when alcohol
1:03:29
Speaker 4: is involved. And we know that he has a history
1:03:31
Speaker 4: of not being able to say when when other things
1:03:34
Speaker 4: were involved, and maybe this addiction has replaced that addiction,
1:03:38
Speaker 4: and he thinks this addiction is less harmful to his
1:03:41
Speaker 4: family or to his children, or to whatever, and so
1:03:44
Speaker 4: he doesn't feel like he needs as much help. But
1:03:46
Speaker 4: I mean, do you wise this is a rollover crash.
1:03:50
Speaker 4: What I'm assuming he was at least buckled in. If
1:03:55
Speaker 4: he's not, we all saw the mugshot.
1:03:58
Speaker 5: If he's not.
1:04:00
Speaker 4: Letely messed up, injury wise and in serious condition in
1:04:03
Speaker 4: a rollover crash. Is probably because at least he has
1:04:05
Speaker 4: the foresight or while he's drunk, he has the ability
1:04:10
Speaker 4: to say, I better buckle my seat belt.
1:04:11
Speaker 5: But this is one.
1:04:13
Speaker 4: It's an it's an unforgivable mistake for someone in any
1:04:18
Speaker 4: position to make, but especially someone in his position to make.
1:04:23
Speaker 6: And he's made it several times now. Yeah, just real quick, alcohol,
1:04:29
Speaker 6: it's a duy, not alcohol related. It's he he blew
1:04:34
Speaker 6: the breathalyser came back zero. It's probably The speculation is
1:04:39
Speaker 6: that it was probably painkillers or something. But but just
1:04:42
Speaker 6: but same effect, right, And and I will say it's
1:04:47
Speaker 6: kind of it's kind of reckless speculation right now, what
1:04:52
Speaker 6: it what he was impaired with. We're all assuming, I
1:04:57
Speaker 6: heard Dan Patrick and a lot of other people assuming
1:05:00
Speaker 6: that it's it's pain killers because of the amount of
1:05:02
Speaker 6: surgeries he's had.
1:05:03
Speaker 3: But we don't we don't know anything like that yet.
1:05:05
Speaker 4: And he did say in the last one that the
1:05:09
Speaker 4: last DUI that he got, that it was an unanticipated
1:05:14
Speaker 4: reaction to a prescription medication so bad.
1:05:17
Speaker 6: I think he said bad mix of painkillers or something
1:05:20
Speaker 6: when and he fell when he fell asleep at the
1:05:22
Speaker 6: wheel when he messed up his leg the last crash these.
1:05:25
Speaker 3: That was twenty twenty one, if I'm not mistaken.
1:05:28
Speaker 5: Yeah, so that's what.
1:05:30
Speaker 3: He almost lost his leg. Yeah, he almost lost his life,
1:05:33
Speaker 3: like he was.
1:05:35
Speaker 6: And the second time he's walked away from what a
1:05:39
Speaker 6: lot of For a lot of people, that's a life
1:05:41
Speaker 6: ending car accident.
1:05:43
Speaker 3: Right, I'll say this, I have I have sympathy for.
1:05:51
Speaker 6: If he is if he has gotten addicted to painkillers
1:05:54
Speaker 6: because the amount of surgeries he's had and most recently
1:05:57
Speaker 6: he is really bad leg injury from the last crash
1:06:02
Speaker 6: that if that's made it even worse, I have sympathy
1:06:06
Speaker 6: for that. But in general, I don't have much sympathy
1:06:09
Speaker 6: for Tiger Woods. Like the guy has made bad decision
1:06:13
Speaker 6: over bad decision for going on twenty years now, and
1:06:17
Speaker 6: life is catching up to him. And I'm not saying
1:06:20
Speaker 6: he deserves that, but I'm saying that there are consequences
1:06:23
Speaker 6: to bad decisions, and unfortunately he's seeing some really bad
1:06:28
Speaker 6: consequences and these have nothing to do with him. I'm
1:06:32
Speaker 6: not saying there's any kind of karmic magic going on
1:06:35
Speaker 6: here because he cheated on his wife with so many
1:06:37
Speaker 6: people completely separate situations, but like, he has been in
1:06:44
Speaker 6: a bad way ethically, morally, however you want to call it,
1:06:49
Speaker 6: for a long time, and things are the bill is
1:06:51
Speaker 6: coming due unfortunately for him, and that does not take
1:06:55
Speaker 6: away this disease of addiction, and I I hope he
1:07:01
Speaker 6: gets help.
1:07:03
Speaker 3: Does not mean that he should be an addict. Let
1:07:05
Speaker 3: me ask you this first of all, don't have much
1:07:06
Speaker 3: sympathy for you.
1:07:07
Speaker 4: You're right, it's an important distinction when we're talking about
1:07:09
Speaker 4: alcohol versus pain killers or whatever.
1:07:14
Speaker 5: Are we.
1:07:17
Speaker 4: Is it fair to assume that this is somebody with
1:07:21
Speaker 4: an addiction problem given that there's a repeated pattern here
1:07:25
Speaker 4: where I mean like, if if you're under the influence
1:07:29
Speaker 4: of whatever and you roll your car once, people are
1:07:34
Speaker 4: going to be like, oh, what's going on with that guy?
1:07:37
Speaker 4: If it happens multiple times, even if they're five, four
1:07:39
Speaker 4: or five years apart. I'm sitting here making a lot
1:07:43
Speaker 4: of assumptions, and I think a lot of people are
1:07:45
Speaker 4: going to They're like, that seems like it's probably a
1:07:48
Speaker 4: pretty continuous issue.
1:07:52
Speaker 5: Is that fair?
1:07:53
Speaker 3: Because right now I'm with you.
1:07:55
Speaker 4: Right now, my mental set when it comes to Tiger
1:07:58
Speaker 4: Woods is like if something like this is happening, if
1:08:02
Speaker 4: he's involved in something like this, I'm like, yeah, man,
1:08:06
Speaker 4: Like that's I don't know what goes on month to month,
1:08:11
Speaker 4: year to year, even entires life necessarily, But when I
1:08:14
Speaker 4: see him in the headlines for this type of reason,
1:08:17
Speaker 4: my assumption is like, yeah, this has been an ongoing
1:08:19
Speaker 4: thing since the last time we heard about him, rather
1:08:23
Speaker 4: than a relapse situation or something like that. And maybe
1:08:25
Speaker 4: that's unfair, but I think your point is feeding what
1:08:29
Speaker 4: I'm trying to say that, like, you don't give the
1:08:33
Speaker 4: benefit of the doubt anymore because we've seen some issue
1:08:36
Speaker 4: like this for like you said, going on two decades.
1:08:40
Speaker 6: Yeah, and it started with the cheating and now it
1:08:45
Speaker 6: in however long it's been. It seems like he has
1:08:48
Speaker 6: unfortunately fallen into an addiction of painkillers or some other substance, right,
1:08:52
Speaker 6: and maybe even alcohol too. We you don't know, but
1:08:55
Speaker 6: the just make it clear this was not alcohol related
1:08:59
Speaker 6: impairment in this case.
1:09:01
Speaker 5: Yeah.
1:09:02
Speaker 6: I just it's tough because you have to have we need,
1:09:08
Speaker 6: we need to take addiction seriously, no matter who it is.
1:09:14
Speaker 6: People can't people who are addicted and haven't gotten proper
1:09:19
Speaker 6: help for it. Can't make the right decisions most of
1:09:23
Speaker 6: the time, right when it comes to what they're addicted to,
1:09:26
Speaker 6: and that's clearly something that's that Tiger Woods, at least
1:09:29
Speaker 6: we're assuming is something that Tiger Woods is experiencing.
1:09:32
Speaker 3: And there's so I got some sympathy for that. But
1:09:34
Speaker 3: also at the same time of all that, there still
1:09:38
Speaker 3: needs to be.
1:09:41
Speaker 6: Some level of responsibility taken if it can't be taken
1:09:43
Speaker 6: by him, by someone in his inner circle. And I
1:09:47
Speaker 6: I I if the tabloid rumors are true that his
1:09:50
Speaker 6: girlfriend is trying to to help him, trying to hold him,
1:09:55
Speaker 6: it prompts him to take responsibility and she is, in
1:09:58
Speaker 6: that way trying to take response stability, then great. But
1:10:03
Speaker 6: as much as we need to have sympathy and we
1:10:05
Speaker 6: need to be sensitive to people who have addictions, no
1:10:08
Speaker 6: matter who it is, like, you also need to make
1:10:11
Speaker 6: sure that those people are not hurting it, are not
1:10:13
Speaker 6: in a position where they're hurting other people. And I
1:10:14
Speaker 6: think the Tiger Woods deserves some criticism for that, and
1:10:18
Speaker 6: he doesn't. There's some sympathy that doesn't necessarily need to
1:10:22
Speaker 6: be given him because of that.
1:10:23
Speaker 4: Well, when I mean, I read an article Tiger Woods
1:10:26
Speaker 4: doesn't have a driver because he he values his privacy
1:10:31
Speaker 4: too much. And my reaction to that is like, okay, well,
1:10:34
Speaker 4: your privacy doesn't matter as much as you being on
1:10:38
Speaker 4: the road impaired.
1:10:40
Speaker 5: It just doesn't. Right.
1:10:42
Speaker 4: If the reason is why privacy, okay, well then uber,
1:10:48
Speaker 4: well I don't want to take any live somewhere where
1:10:51
Speaker 4: they have WEIMO and the robot is driving you around.
1:10:53
Speaker 4: I don't know, but yeah it's And I find myself
1:10:57
Speaker 4: I have a hard time because I I think my
1:11:00
Speaker 4: natural mindset on things like this, because I have not
1:11:03
Speaker 4: struggled with with this particular vice in life. I have
1:11:07
Speaker 4: not had to deal with the kind of things that
1:11:11
Speaker 4: like people who find themselves hooked on drugs or hooked
1:11:13
Speaker 4: on alcohol.
1:11:14
Speaker 5: I'm lucky enough, knock on wood. I haven't.
1:11:16
Speaker 4: That has not been my cross to bear. I haven't
1:11:19
Speaker 4: had to fight that battle. So I find myself when
1:11:22
Speaker 4: I see it with other people maybe like forcing myself
1:11:26
Speaker 4: no no, no, no, you don't understand this, be kind
1:11:29
Speaker 4: about this, and maybe being excessively permissive or excessively forgiving,
1:11:36
Speaker 4: which you have no business being when someone is driving
1:11:40
Speaker 4: a multiple thousand pound machine around without the ability to
1:11:45
Speaker 4: control it, like it is incredibly dangerous. We all know
1:11:50
Speaker 4: stories have stories, whatever, and this is not just like
1:11:56
Speaker 4: I know that all people are people and everyone's life
1:11:59
Speaker 4: has value and all that. What I'm saying this is
1:12:01
Speaker 4: an individual who if if I get arrested and you
1:12:05
Speaker 4: see my mugshot, nobody is calling Dan Patrick's show and
1:12:10
Speaker 4: saying he's a stranger to me.
1:12:12
Speaker 5: But he's the reason I.
1:12:14
Speaker 3: Have this relationship with my dad around on. Maybe there's
1:12:18
Speaker 3: some guys in the ViRGE tiers because of your fight
1:12:20
Speaker 3: career there.
1:12:20
Speaker 4: I don't know.
1:12:21
Speaker 5: I don't think so.
1:12:22
Speaker 4: Right like, he is one of the most influential athletes
1:12:25
Speaker 4: of our lifetime, and we far too often, unfortunately, we
1:12:31
Speaker 4: have seen these influential personalities, these big time athletes like
1:12:35
Speaker 4: Mike Tyson. If you were if you're a little older
1:12:38
Speaker 4: than me, Mike Tyson was one of these guys for
1:12:41
Speaker 4: in your sports fandom probably and we saw the tragic,
1:12:45
Speaker 4: horrible tales of Mike Tyson's downfall that was.
1:12:49
Speaker 5: Really really hard for people to watch.
1:12:50
Speaker 4: To go back to the question I asked on Twitter,
1:12:53
Speaker 4: what has been the hardest downfall for athletes for you
1:12:55
Speaker 4: to watch? Someone came with Lance Armstrongiger Woods is probably
1:13:01
Speaker 4: up there for a lot of people are maybe I'm
1:13:06
Speaker 4: making assumptions. Again, Let's see Derek on on the text line,
1:13:15
Speaker 4: Tiger used to be the biggest player in a sport.
1:13:17
Speaker 4: The only headlines he has had the past years have
1:13:20
Speaker 4: all been bad. How many chance does the guy get
1:13:22
Speaker 4: before outside parties take control of things. What outside party
1:13:26
Speaker 4: can take control though, is the question, because like.
1:13:29
Speaker 3: He on some level, he still has to allow it.
1:13:32
Speaker 4: He's exactly He's he's already like he doesn't have to
1:13:35
Speaker 4: golf again. Like if if the he is the PGA
1:13:38
Speaker 4: gonna say Tiger, we don't want you at the Masters,
1:13:40
Speaker 4: We're suspending you from the Masters.
1:13:43
Speaker 3: How much does that really affect Tiger Woods?
1:13:46
Speaker 4: He's like, cool, I already won. I mean when it
1:13:50
Speaker 4: all the first scandal happened with Tiger Woods, he lost endorsement, right,
1:13:55
Speaker 4: he got dropped by a bunch of companies, and he
1:13:59
Speaker 4: was like, Okay, well that sucks. These four stayed with me.
1:14:06
Speaker 4: I mean, this is one of the things that makes
1:14:08
Speaker 4: it so difficult. And if you know people in your
1:14:12
Speaker 4: life that have had freakish levels of success in whatever
1:14:16
Speaker 4: their field is, right, it's harder to influence those people
1:14:21
Speaker 4: it's harder to tell those people what to do. It
1:14:23
Speaker 4: just is it's harder to control people who are examples
1:14:29
Speaker 4: of great success in whatever their field is. You can't
1:14:33
Speaker 4: tell them anything. They don't listen. Right, Tiger Woods, I
1:14:37
Speaker 4: don't know him. I've never even talked to him. I
1:14:39
Speaker 4: never had a chance to interview him. My guess is
1:14:41
Speaker 4: when somebody tells Tiger Woods, hey, you need to do this,
1:14:44
Speaker 4: you need to do this, his natural reaction is probably
1:14:47
Speaker 4: just like, shut up, you peasant.
1:14:52
Speaker 3: You know, like your point is well.
1:14:55
Speaker 6: Made, And I think that's the I think that's what
1:14:59
Speaker 6: I've been trying to to get across, is that at
1:15:02
Speaker 6: some point, whether it's he himself or someone or the
1:15:07
Speaker 6: people around him, do need to take control. But that's
1:15:10
Speaker 6: way easier said than done. To your point, Oh see
1:15:16
Speaker 6: this coming in from zero two seventy nine. The outside
1:15:19
Speaker 6: party in this case would be the justice system. At
1:15:21
Speaker 6: some point, his driver's license should be suspended or revoked.
1:15:27
Speaker 6: I don't disagree force him to hire a driver, Make
1:15:31
Speaker 6: him hire a driver. Here's the thing though, this is like, now,
1:15:37
Speaker 6: I won't.
1:15:37
Speaker 4: Use that example because it's too complicated, it's too hot
1:15:40
Speaker 4: button for people.
1:15:41
Speaker 9: But like.
1:15:43
Speaker 4: I know people who have had suspended licenses. I know
1:15:46
Speaker 4: people have had suspended license for DUI.
1:15:51
Speaker 5: Guess what they still drive? They just drive without a license.
1:15:57
Speaker 4: Like if Tiger Woods drives without a driver's license, you
1:16:02
Speaker 4: think the cop that pulls him over, is he even
1:16:04
Speaker 4: gonna be like, oh man, I gotta impound this car.
1:16:07
Speaker 4: He's gonna be like Tiger, I'm gonna let you off
1:16:09
Speaker 4: with a warning, as long as he's not impaired.
1:16:11
Speaker 6: Right, yeah, if he doesn't get another accident like this,
1:16:14
Speaker 6: If it's just he was speeding and then he finds
1:16:16
Speaker 6: out he's driving another license, nothing's happening.
1:16:19
Speaker 5: The cop is probably just gonna be like.
1:16:22
Speaker 4: For the books, I have to write you this expensive
1:16:24
Speaker 4: ticket and now I'm gonna take a selfie with you.
1:16:28
Speaker 3: Like, I don't disagree with any of what any of
1:16:32
Speaker 3: you on the text line are saying.
1:16:34
Speaker 5: This man is just he is an outlier.
1:16:40
Speaker 4: He is sports royalty, and he is right now dealing
1:16:47
Speaker 4: with I think some very necessary fallout from you know,
1:16:51
Speaker 4: the bad decisions that he has made.
1:16:53
Speaker 3: But we started this, like James, to your point, we
1:16:56
Speaker 3: started this.
1:16:57
Speaker 4: Two decades ago, and Tiger Woods is still Tiger Woods
1:17:00
Speaker 4: for most people.
1:17:04
Speaker 5: But Mike Tyson is still Mike Tyson.
1:17:06
Speaker 4: For most people, you like, do you know how insane
1:17:10
Speaker 4: the Mike Tyson stories got, and how serious Mike Tyson's
1:17:15
Speaker 4: offenses have been in his past, and how many people
1:17:19
Speaker 4: are still just.
1:17:19
Speaker 3: Like, yo, he's the greatest boxer I ever saw. So
1:17:23
Speaker 3: we're dealing with.
1:17:24
Speaker 4: If Tiger Woods was named James Peterson or Sean O'Connell,
1:17:30
Speaker 4: everyone would be like, get rid of the guy.
1:17:34
Speaker 3: We've seen it too many times.
1:17:35
Speaker 4: Now, he's done, don't show me him again, put him
1:17:38
Speaker 4: in jail, whatever. But he's Tiger Woods. So people are like, oh,
1:17:43
Speaker 4: and I find myself doing it too, like, how do
1:17:46
Speaker 4: we fix this for Tiger? How do we help Tiger?
1:17:48
Speaker 4: How do we save Tiger? How do we save everyone
1:17:50
Speaker 4: else from Tiger? If this is Tiger is a better question.
1:17:54
Speaker 4: And by the way, if you're a golf you should
1:17:58
Speaker 4: You're not in charge of Tiger, But if you're the PGA,
1:18:02
Speaker 4: if you're Nike, if you're anyone, you should be taking
1:18:06
Speaker 4: control of this situation as much as you can. Golf
1:18:11
Speaker 4: was not talked about on nearly the same level before
1:18:16
Speaker 4: Tiger Woods, and would not be talked about on nearly
1:18:19
Speaker 4: the same level without Tiger Woods. So if you're doing
1:18:22
Speaker 4: the right thing, if you're doing right by the people
1:18:25
Speaker 4: that have been involved in your sports, the right thing
1:18:27
Speaker 4: for you to do is to take is to identify
1:18:30
Speaker 4: whoever Tiger listens to most on that PGA tour, whether
1:18:34
Speaker 4: it's someone behind the scenes or it's another professional golfer
1:18:36
Speaker 4: or whatever, like, there's got to be someone who is
1:18:39
Speaker 4: the most respected in that world by Tiger, who Tiger
1:18:44
Speaker 4: will listen to better than he would listen to anyone else.
1:18:46
Speaker 4: And you have that person show up at Tiger's house
1:18:48
Speaker 4: and you say, Tiger, where's the pills, where's the alcohol,
1:18:53
Speaker 4: where's the whatever. Let's get you into rehab. Let's get
1:18:57
Speaker 4: you into a treatment program. Let's get you into into something.
1:19:00
Speaker 4: Give me your car keys, Let's not have you drive
1:19:02
Speaker 4: for a while. Here's a link. All you have to
1:19:05
Speaker 4: do is click on that, and an uber shows up
1:19:07
Speaker 4: every single time you need to go somewhere. And I
1:19:09
Speaker 4: don't give a bleep about your privacy, because right now
1:19:13
Speaker 4: you're a threat to yourself and others with this behind
1:19:16
Speaker 4: the wheel stuff.
1:19:17
Speaker 6: When you can, you can tip the driver well enough
1:19:21
Speaker 6: that he to make him to really incentivize him not
1:19:25
Speaker 6: paying attention to anything you're doing in the back of
1:19:27
Speaker 6: the car there, Well you're well, well they're driving you around,
1:19:31
Speaker 6: like if i'd The privacy thing is just feels like
1:19:34
Speaker 6: a really bad excuse because these drivers, particularly these professional
1:19:39
Speaker 6: show first, they're paid not to care. I'm just driving
1:19:43
Speaker 6: you around.
1:19:46
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think absolutely the right the right
1:19:53
Speaker 3: thing that you bring up.
1:19:54
Speaker 6: Hopefully that's that's an option someone in golf or some
1:19:58
Speaker 6: or somewhere else can get through to.
1:20:00
Speaker 4: Like, are you telling me that whoever his liaison at
1:20:02
Speaker 4: Nike was for three decades and Tiger don't have some
1:20:05
Speaker 4: kind of relationship that they can show up and just
1:20:08
Speaker 4: be like, dude, what are you doing?
1:20:09
Speaker 6: The Nico Harrison of Nike Golf, right, Nico Harrison was
1:20:13
Speaker 6: that for basketball. There's someone there's someone a Nico Harrison
1:20:17
Speaker 6: type for Nike's golf line that he's probably has listened
1:20:23
Speaker 6: to and taken his advice for now thirty years.
1:20:28
Speaker 4: Anyway, all right, we've got a fun daily Dump coming
1:20:31
Speaker 4: up next. After that, we've got some good sound from
1:20:36
Speaker 4: you from March Madness. We still have Tony Parks joining
1:20:38
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Speaker 4: It is with much skepticism and some mild chagrin that
1:21:36
Speaker 4: I give you this report.
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Speaker 5: The San Francisco forty nine ers.
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Speaker 4: Have completed an investigation into the rumored link between the
1:21:46
Speaker 4: electrical substation next to their practice facility and excessive soft
1:21:52
Speaker 4: tissue injuries on the team. There were some scientists use
1:22:00
Speaker 4: the term loosely that had suggested that the kind of
1:22:04
Speaker 4: levels of electrical electromagnetic radiation obviously very different from like
1:22:12
Speaker 4: nuclear radiation, but that electromagnetic radiation at the levels common
1:22:20
Speaker 4: on their practice fields was damaging the soft tissues, the ligaments,
1:22:26
Speaker 4: the tendons, the fascia of their players, and contributing to
1:22:32
Speaker 4: the rash of injuries that, let's be honest, have really
1:22:35
Speaker 4: devastated a forty nine Ers franchise that the roster from
1:22:40
Speaker 4: a talent standpoint is and was capable of competing for
1:22:46
Speaker 4: more Super Bowl championships than they got because of course
1:22:50
Speaker 4: that one is a big fat zero. So the Niners,
1:22:54
Speaker 4: after all the scuttle butt, were like, Okay, we're going
1:22:57
Speaker 4: to do an investigation into this, and guess what.
1:23:03
Speaker 3: It came back. Nothing, it came back.
1:23:08
Speaker 4: John Lynch called it a big old nothing burger, dismiss
1:23:12
Speaker 4: the claim says there's no science to support this. Low
1:23:19
Speaker 4: frequency EMF waves, according to the forty nine Ers investigation,
1:23:23
Speaker 4: do not actually contribute to the kind of injuries that
1:23:27
Speaker 4: have been devastating the team as of late.
1:23:31
Speaker 3: So is that close the book?
1:23:34
Speaker 5: Done?
1:23:34
Speaker 8: Deal?
1:23:34
Speaker 5: Don't worry about it?
1:23:35
Speaker 4: Well, probably not, because players are still going to talk
1:23:38
Speaker 4: about it, and more importantly, people are going to be
1:23:42
Speaker 4: You have to do a third party investigator. You have
1:23:44
Speaker 4: to have somebody that is not paid by the forty
1:23:48
Speaker 4: nine ers doing this investigation. Of course, the internal investigation
1:23:53
Speaker 4: of the San Francisco forty nine ers like, yeah, of
1:23:55
Speaker 4: course there's not a problem here. So I plawed their
1:24:00
Speaker 4: efforts to try to figure out if this was actually
1:24:03
Speaker 4: something they needed to address. But I also wonder why
1:24:07
Speaker 4: they didn't go about it in a more nuanced and
1:24:11
Speaker 4: careful manner to make sure that the hardest of hardcore
1:24:15
Speaker 4: conspiracy theorists don't continue to question. But for the Niners
1:24:19
Speaker 4: and their personnel deportment and the ownership that thought about,
1:24:23
Speaker 4: at least very briefly potentially moving a practice facility, this
1:24:28
Speaker 4: is a big old nothing burger that EMF waves are
1:24:31
Speaker 4: not to be blamed. The Las Vegas Golden Knights have
1:24:39
Speaker 4: fired their coach and hired John Tortorella.
1:24:42
Speaker 3: Bruce Cassidy is out.
1:24:43
Speaker 4: They've only got eight games left on the season, so
1:24:46
Speaker 4: you know, the NHL coaching carousels starts its spin and
1:24:51
Speaker 4: the Knights.
1:24:54
Speaker 3: They've had a disappointing season.
1:24:56
Speaker 4: Injuries have really devastated what they thought they were going
1:24:59
Speaker 4: to be able to do this year. They are right
1:25:02
Speaker 4: now third in the Pacific Division in the West. Let's
1:25:05
Speaker 4: see where they are. They are one spot behind the
1:25:09
Speaker 4: Utah Mammoth in that Western Conference standing. So they're not
1:25:18
Speaker 4: out of the playoffs by any stretch of the imagination.
1:25:20
Speaker 4: They are not even out of the wild card picture.
1:25:23
Speaker 4: But eight games left in the regular season, and the
1:25:27
Speaker 4: Las Vegas Knights have separated Bruce Cassidy, their head coach,
1:25:31
Speaker 4: from his duties. We don't have as much history or
1:25:40
Speaker 4: experience talking about NHL coaching carousel spins, but something we
1:25:46
Speaker 4: might have to get used to as we get a
1:25:50
Speaker 4: little bit more dialed in on NHL hockey. Also, I
1:25:54
Speaker 4: got the email for got the email for the tickets
1:26:00
Speaker 4: the playoff tickets. Oh, because if you're a season ticket holder,
1:26:04
Speaker 4: you can opt into have they officially clinched or they're
1:26:08
Speaker 4: all but clinched. It's like a ninety five percent chance
1:26:12
Speaker 4: they're going to make the playoffs, right, So only two
1:26:17
Speaker 4: teams have clinched in the West, if I'm not mistaken.
1:26:21
Speaker 4: But they sent the email out and obviously it's you know, hey,
1:26:24
Speaker 4: do you want your tickets if the if the team goes,
1:26:28
Speaker 4: how much more should a ticket cost? Like if you're
1:26:31
Speaker 4: if we're throwing a percentage on a James, how much
1:26:33
Speaker 4: more should a playoff ticket cost than a regular season
1:26:36
Speaker 4: ticket cost?
1:26:39
Speaker 3: What's the what's the per game on your regular season.
1:26:42
Speaker 4: Like, let's say that it's two hundred dollars per game
1:26:45
Speaker 4: per seat on the regular season ticket, lower bowl, good ticket,
1:26:50
Speaker 4: not club level. You're not getting the fancy Toyota club stuff,
1:26:54
Speaker 4: but you're just you know, you're in a good seat
1:26:57
Speaker 4: that with the redesign is an unobstructed view completely. Yeah,
1:27:01
Speaker 4: let's say it's I'll give you a two hundred dollars
1:27:03
Speaker 4: price tag on your regular season ticket.
1:27:07
Speaker 3: What would you pay? What should you pay for the
1:27:11
Speaker 3: the playoffs?
1:27:12
Speaker 6: I think should what my limit would probably be under
1:27:19
Speaker 6: four hundred a game, but I'm thinking that it probably
1:27:22
Speaker 6: is higher.
1:27:24
Speaker 5: No, No, it's not.
1:27:25
Speaker 4: Oh so you're willing to like you're at four hundred,
1:27:29
Speaker 4: you're almost ready to double up for the playoffs.
1:27:31
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, kind of for that.
1:27:34
Speaker 6: Like we're not talking about upper Bowl season tickets, which
1:27:37
Speaker 6: I'm not sure that they that they're doing that because
1:27:40
Speaker 6: it's because it's not quite completely unobstructed. But we're not
1:27:43
Speaker 6: talking about the cheapest season tickets in the building. We're
1:27:46
Speaker 6: not talking about the most expensive either, but it's still
1:27:49
Speaker 6: lower bowl season tickets. I kind of expect to be
1:27:53
Speaker 6: a cost a pretty penny for both the regular season,
1:27:56
Speaker 6: and I wouldn't expect it to be much higher for
1:27:59
Speaker 6: the playoff games.
1:28:01
Speaker 3: I will say this if.
1:28:07
Speaker 4: I'm sure it's this way for all seats, but at
1:28:10
Speaker 4: where our tickets are our price point? If the Mammoth
1:28:15
Speaker 4: made it to the Stanley Cup playoffs, right, if they
1:28:19
Speaker 4: made it through all four rounds and you make it
1:28:21
Speaker 4: into the Stanley Cup playoffs, the cost of the playoff
1:28:29
Speaker 4: tickets is more expensive than the entire season of.
1:28:33
Speaker 5: Tickets in this package. Wow.
1:28:37
Speaker 3: See when you put it that way, it's like, really, guys.
1:28:40
Speaker 5: But also it's.
1:28:44
Speaker 6: The rational part of my brain, the one that's followed
1:28:46
Speaker 6: sports all the time for his whole life, tells me, Yeah,
1:28:50
Speaker 6: you kind of should expect something like that for especially
1:28:54
Speaker 6: in the playoffs, when they make maybe more than any
1:28:57
Speaker 6: other sport. They make the playoffs like a thousand times
1:29:01
Speaker 6: bigger than the regular season, So you kind of, I
1:29:05
Speaker 6: don't know, the kind of expect it to be something
1:29:08
Speaker 6: like that.
1:29:09
Speaker 4: So it's uh, it's about like you're adding about forty
1:29:14
Speaker 4: percent per game to the ticket cost. For round one,
1:29:20
Speaker 4: forty five percent you're adding, so round one forty five
1:29:28
Speaker 4: percent increase, Round two seventy five percent increase in the price.
1:29:36
Speaker 4: Round three the Western Conference Finals. In this case, round
1:29:40
Speaker 4: three is more than double, so like about one hundred
1:29:44
Speaker 4: and fifteen percent price increase. And then if the Utah
1:29:48
Speaker 4: Mammoth make it to the Stanley Cup Final, your tickets
1:29:52
Speaker 4: are four times as much per seat.
1:29:56
Speaker 3: That's that's nuts when you put it that way.
1:30:02
Speaker 4: Yes, but also it's the Stanley Cup Finals, the Stanley
1:30:05
Speaker 4: Cup Final. This is where if you're a sports owner, right,
1:30:11
Speaker 4: you're like, okay, well, I want to reward my season
1:30:14
Speaker 4: ticket holders, I want to reward our fan base.
1:30:17
Speaker 3: I want to make it as accessible as possible.
1:30:20
Speaker 5: But it's the Stanley Cup Finals here, and.
1:30:23
Speaker 3: It's a business. Do you know how much money I
1:30:25
Speaker 3: could make just off of tickets.
1:30:26
Speaker 4: I mean, you're paying almost at our level, you're paying
1:30:31
Speaker 4: almost you're paying over nine hundred dollars per seat for
1:30:34
Speaker 4: the Stanley Cup Finals and it's not close to that
1:30:37
Speaker 4: for the regular season. So I know we're going to
1:30:43
Speaker 4: get to the march madness sound. We can talk about
1:30:45
Speaker 4: this a little bit more next segment, but I will
1:30:48
Speaker 4: say I do think Dan Hurley is the luckiest man
1:30:53
Speaker 4: alive not to get a technical foul. Okay, you probably
1:30:57
Speaker 4: should have gotten teed up there, and well, a big
1:31:01
Speaker 4: part of me is like, I'm glad that that's not
1:31:03
Speaker 4: overshadowing what is otherwise an incredible outcome, an incredible ending
1:31:08
Speaker 4: to a game.
1:31:10
Speaker 3: The other part of me is like, man, how can
1:31:12
Speaker 3: a ref allow him to do that? But it speaks
1:31:15
Speaker 3: to what you were saying.
1:31:16
Speaker 6: Maybe they've got some kind of relationship where that doesn't
1:31:19
Speaker 6: bother this ref.
1:31:20
Speaker 4: I have watched this video no less than one hundred
1:31:23
Speaker 4: times trying to figure out, like, because you're kind of
1:31:26
Speaker 4: looking at the angle at least I've seen you're kind
1:31:28
Speaker 4: of looking at the back of the referee more like
1:31:31
Speaker 4: does he have kind of a half smile on his face?
1:31:33
Speaker 3: Don't see the ref's face?
1:31:34
Speaker 5: Yeah?
1:31:34
Speaker 4: Is there some kind of like you know, eyebrow rays
1:31:37
Speaker 4: going on? Is there something that would he's saying anything
1:31:41
Speaker 4: to him? We don't even know if the ref said
1:31:42
Speaker 4: anything like not that would invite this, But that is like,
1:31:46
Speaker 4: make it more acceptable, make it more reasonable.
1:31:50
Speaker 3: He just but it looks like the referee's going to
1:31:53
Speaker 3: the scores table, like you.
1:31:54
Speaker 6: Said, anyway wild because if for everyone that might have forgotten,
1:32:00
Speaker 6: which tends to happen when we have this great highlight,
1:32:02
Speaker 6: we forget about the big break in action that sometimes
1:32:06
Speaker 6: happens when you got to go to the replay or whatever.
1:32:09
Speaker 6: There was like ten minutes where the refs had to
1:32:12
Speaker 6: They went to the replay to figure out if they
1:32:14
Speaker 6: needed to add more time, so that ref was probably
1:32:18
Speaker 6: just on his way to the scores table to begin
1:32:20
Speaker 6: that process, right. But it's just we'll talk about it
1:32:24
Speaker 6: a little bit more next segment. But I didn't have
1:32:27
Speaker 6: a chance to talk about it during when you were
1:32:30
Speaker 6: talking about the hot launch that I just I did
1:32:33
Speaker 6: not know till this morning because I wasn't on social media.
1:32:35
Speaker 6: I didn't know until this morning that that happened, right,
1:32:39
Speaker 6: and the CBS broadcast did not show that. I spent
1:32:44
Speaker 6: like twenty minutes trying to find a different angle to
1:32:47
Speaker 6: make sure that it wasn't fake, right, to find another
1:32:52
Speaker 6: angle to see, and it took me forever to find
1:32:55
Speaker 6: one that showed, oh yeah, that's him.
1:32:57
Speaker 5: Walking up to the ref and putting his his.
1:33:00
Speaker 4: Forehead on the ref's forehead in a crazy stare down
1:33:03
Speaker 4: like the more I look at it and again I'm
1:33:06
Speaker 4: watching just on a loop here.
1:33:08
Speaker 5: I just retweeted it for the people who haven't seen it.
1:33:10
Speaker 4: The more I look at it, the more I think
1:33:11
Speaker 4: about it, like this is this is an attempt to
1:33:16
Speaker 4: be like, bleep you ref.
1:33:19
Speaker 6: That's what it seemed like when I first saw it,
1:33:21
Speaker 6: which made me go, I know he's insane, but he
1:33:24
Speaker 6: can't be that insane to almost cost his team a
1:33:28
Speaker 6: chance at.
1:33:28
Speaker 3: Another Final four.
1:33:29
Speaker 4: Can imagine right what the conversation would be today, including
1:33:35
Speaker 4: on this show if the ref texts him up.
1:33:38
Speaker 3: Now the ref becomes the bad guy. Now the ref
1:33:42
Speaker 3: is like now.
1:33:44
Speaker 4: The conversation the basketball fan base has to decide, well,
1:33:48
Speaker 4: do you swallow your whistle in a situation like this
1:33:50
Speaker 4: where a guy is just like it's a coach. Though
1:33:52
Speaker 4: if a player was doing it, I'd be like, oh,
1:33:54
Speaker 4: come on, it's a player. If the coach doing it,
1:33:58
Speaker 4: it's wild to me.
1:34:00
Speaker 5: Anyway.
1:34:01
Speaker 4: This is part of the sound that we have from
1:34:04
Speaker 4: March madness. Okay, I have a I have an idea
1:34:06
Speaker 4: for what we might want to call this. Okay, so
1:34:09
Speaker 4: run by you.
1:34:10
Speaker 5: James and I.
1:34:10
Speaker 4: We've we've we've formulated a plan because we've got you know,
1:34:13
Speaker 4: football season coming, you've got playoff basketball, you've got playoff hockey.
1:34:18
Speaker 4: Baseball just started, you've got baseball. Playoff hockey is our
1:34:22
Speaker 4: playoff baseball is coming in several months, and we're gonna
1:34:26
Speaker 4: have I want to bring more sound from the local race.
1:34:29
Speaker 4: National radio sound is great, is fine, but there's nothing
1:34:32
Speaker 4: like Homer Radio.
1:34:34
Speaker 6: And Iron Eagle's call was incredible. By that he and
1:34:37
Speaker 6: Bill Raftery were we're gold on the TV. But you're right,
1:34:41
Speaker 6: it's even better the Homer call. My Uh, what about
1:34:45
Speaker 6: Tale of Two Calls?
1:34:48
Speaker 9: I like it?
1:34:50
Speaker 2: I like it.
1:34:51
Speaker 6: Yeah, you're you're a you're a literature guy. Yeah, well
1:34:55
Speaker 6: read fellow.
1:34:59
Speaker 3: A Tale of two Cities, tator two radio calls from
1:35:02
Speaker 3: two cities.
1:35:03
Speaker 5: Uh.
1:35:03
Speaker 4: Anyway, we're gonna give you the home call and the
1:35:05
Speaker 4: away call from the uh, the buzzer beater, the Yukon
1:35:11
Speaker 4: buzzer beater Overduke.
1:35:12
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Speaker 1: to one a half m seventy.
1:35:34
Speaker 5: Two seventy ten seconds to go and will trying to
1:35:37
Speaker 5: end bounce. You are white. He runs the baseline.
1:35:39
Speaker 1: He gets it in the Cameron Boozer, the double back
1:35:41
Speaker 1: to smart now I head the.
1:35:43
Speaker 5: Caiden Boozer had a steal. Dollans gets it.
1:35:46
Speaker 3: It's caravan to Bullen's long range three.
1:35:51
Speaker 2: You're Bullan's delivers.
1:35:55
Speaker 3: Bedlam, bedlam here.
1:36:00
Speaker 5: They're gonna go to the Okay.
1:36:03
Speaker 3: So that's the Yukon call.
1:36:05
Speaker 4: Remember this is a Yukon Huskies team battling back from
1:36:10
Speaker 4: nineteen down. The first time in NCAA history that a
1:36:15
Speaker 4: number one seed up by at least fifteen at the
1:36:18
Speaker 4: half has lost.
1:36:19
Speaker 3: This is truly unprecedented.
1:36:22
Speaker 5: That was the hometown call.
1:36:23
Speaker 4: That was Yukon radio, and sounds like his voice was
1:36:29
Speaker 4: belabored a bit. The surprise there, oh, he went in
1:36:36
Speaker 4: like clearly he did not expect the Mullens shot to
1:36:40
Speaker 4: go in. He had taken four threes to that point,
1:36:43
Speaker 4: and they had all missed. That was the only one
1:36:47
Speaker 4: that went in. So we've got that all right. That
1:36:51
Speaker 4: is the Yukon call, the duke call, especially if you're
1:36:54
Speaker 4: a duke cater like I don't know, ninety nine percent
1:36:56
Speaker 4: of the country seems to be probably feels he better
1:37:00
Speaker 4: to listen to.
1:37:01
Speaker 3: Here's the duke radio call.
1:37:02
Speaker 7: Hit it in they do for Boozer, bobbled it back
1:37:05
Speaker 7: for sarn He needs to get rid of it. Dunster
1:37:06
Speaker 7: Kaiden seven seconds, trying to throw it ahead, deflected, stolen
1:37:10
Speaker 7: by Connecticut. Two seconds. It's Mullin's up top for the win.
1:37:13
Speaker 7: Oh hit it with three tenths of a second ago,
1:37:16
Speaker 7: Cayla Kai Smith ran off the bench.
1:37:20
Speaker 3: That should be a technical.
1:37:22
Speaker 5: But with three tints of a.
1:37:23
Speaker 7: Second ago, Connecticut has the lead seventy three to seventy two,
1:37:30
Speaker 7: as Connecticut got the three from Mullins after the turnover
1:37:35
Speaker 7: from Caden Boozer hit it in.
1:37:38
Speaker 5: They the best part of that call. Oh, right off
1:37:44
Speaker 5: the match. It should be a technical.
1:37:45
Speaker 4: The Homer radio and I don't I don't blame them
1:37:50
Speaker 4: for this because again, these these are the hometown boys.
1:37:54
Speaker 3: Right as soon as the shot goes in.
1:38:00
Speaker 4: He is looking for something, anything that could save Duke
1:38:06
Speaker 4: with three tenths left. He is the eyes immediately share.
1:38:09
Speaker 4: This is veteran move, immediately shifted. If this was football,
1:38:12
Speaker 4: would you be looking for a flag on the play?
1:38:15
Speaker 5: Right?
1:38:16
Speaker 4: You're hoping to be able to tell your audience, your
1:38:19
Speaker 4: Duke Blue Devil audience, that something. There's a whistle, Oh,
1:38:23
Speaker 4: there's a flag. Hope there's an issue. And so he says, oh,
1:38:26
Speaker 4: he right out of the field.
1:38:27
Speaker 5: That should be a technical.
1:38:28
Speaker 4: But then you hear the resignation in the voice immediately after.
1:38:32
Speaker 4: It's not going to be a technical.
1:38:33
Speaker 9: Though.
1:38:35
Speaker 4: Imagine James if he had seen in the real moment
1:38:39
Speaker 4: what Dan Hurley had done to the referee, he would
1:38:43
Speaker 4: have lost his mind on the air.
1:38:46
Speaker 5: It would have been a tragic end.
1:38:48
Speaker 6: He wouldn't have And I do give him credit as
1:38:50
Speaker 6: far as curbing his homerism a little bit in that. Yes,
1:38:55
Speaker 6: he immediately went to that should be a technical, but
1:38:58
Speaker 6: he didn't belabor it.
1:39:00
Speaker 5: He just moved. He moved right on.
1:39:02
Speaker 3: We've heard a lot worse, oh for sure, as far
1:39:04
Speaker 3: as that goes. So I give credit just happened.
1:39:07
Speaker 6: All I've given I've given credit for objectivity that way.
1:39:11
Speaker 6: But yeah, it is funny that he, like a guy
1:39:13
Speaker 6: goes on the court like three inches maybe a foot and.
1:39:17
Speaker 5: Honest to be technical, like also there was a time.
1:39:20
Speaker 6: Out called yeah happens and this kind of I applaud
1:39:24
Speaker 6: the referees in this sense swallowing their whistle because you
1:39:30
Speaker 6: you gotta you gotta give the players in particular enough
1:39:35
Speaker 6: leeway to know, Hey, that's it.
1:39:37
Speaker 3: Do you know what just happened?
1:39:39
Speaker 6: I'm okay if they ran on the court a couple
1:39:41
Speaker 6: of feet and the guy Smith by the way, immediately realized,
1:39:45
Speaker 6: oh crap, I shouldn't be on the court and want
1:39:47
Speaker 6: and runs right back like he's maybe on that far
1:39:49
Speaker 6: into the court for like a second at the most.
1:39:52
Speaker 6: So but yeah, it is of course you're gonna do that,
1:39:55
Speaker 6: like that's that's what you got to do, is the
1:39:57
Speaker 6: duke radio guy, right.
1:39:59
Speaker 5: We will we will give you in.
1:40:02
Speaker 4: A tale of two Cities, we will give you the
1:40:05
Speaker 4: exuberant radio call. We will give you the crestfallen radio call.
1:40:08
Speaker 4: Anytime there's a buzzer beater, a last second field goal
1:40:13
Speaker 4: scenario like this, we'll we'll make that a part of
1:40:15
Speaker 4: the show because.
1:40:16
Speaker 5: Both of them, the emotion in both of them is
1:40:20
Speaker 5: really what like, that's that's the that's sport. That's my
1:40:29
Speaker 5: favorite part.
1:40:32
Speaker 3: The disbelief almost.
1:40:36
Speaker 5: So good. All right, that's we should we should ask.
1:40:40
Speaker 6: We should ask Tony Parks when he if he's ever
1:40:43
Speaker 6: if he's ever been that exasperated at a at a
1:40:45
Speaker 6: big time call it weser beater, a game winning home
1:40:49
Speaker 6: or whatever, the.
1:40:49
Speaker 4: Voice of the Bees and other things. Tony Parks is
1:40:52
Speaker 4: gonna join us next he's here at studio. And there's
1:40:55
Speaker 4: an art to being a play by play announcer. It
1:40:58
Speaker 4: is something I'm trying to get a lot better at.
1:41:01
Speaker 4: I've only really done a lot of it on the
1:41:03
Speaker 4: combat sports thing.
1:41:04
Speaker 3: And I tell you, you.
1:41:08
Speaker 4: Don't know when you should really, you don't always know
1:41:11
Speaker 4: I should say when you should really uh, you know,
1:41:14
Speaker 4: crack the voice over a particular happenstance.
1:41:18
Speaker 3: So I'm not judging. I'm just I like listening to
1:41:21
Speaker 3: the hometown radio.
1:41:22
Speaker 5: Did you real quick?
1:41:24
Speaker 6: Did you have you ever had a moment calling fights
1:41:27
Speaker 6: where you where you're like, oh crap, I don't have
1:41:29
Speaker 6: a voice.
1:41:30
Speaker 4: Yeah that excited Yes, Yeah that happened with uh, we
1:41:35
Speaker 4: had we had one fight night. This is a couple
1:41:38
Speaker 4: of years ago now where we had we had three
1:41:41
Speaker 4: championship bouts in the same night, so there were three
1:41:44
Speaker 4: twenty five minute bouts, right, So it was just like
1:41:46
Speaker 4: a little bit more of a slog and then one
1:41:48
Speaker 4: of them ented in this crazy knockout, and I'm glad
1:41:52
Speaker 4: they've buried it because I think my voice. I think
1:41:56
Speaker 4: my voice cracked like puberty, which is not good. I'm
1:42:00
Speaker 4: gonna I'm I'm gonna find it. We're gonna play it.
1:42:02
Speaker 5: Shan o'connall's show.
1:42:04
Speaker 3: They'll find it all right. Tony Parks joined us to
1:42:06
Speaker 3: start our number three.
1:42:07
Speaker 4: You're listening to Utah's number one sports talk ESPN seven
1:42:10
Speaker 4: hundred ninety two NFM.
1:42:27
Speaker 1: You are too into the Sean O'Connell Show for the
1:42:30
Speaker 1: Murdoch Chevrolet Studio of ESPN seven hundred and ninety two.
1:42:34
Speaker 5: One a half am.
1:42:39
Speaker 4: Our number three here on a Monday Sean O'Connell Show,
1:42:42
Speaker 4: and we're lucky enough to welcome Tony Parks here in
1:42:45
Speaker 4: studio ahead of b's home opening day. Minor League Baseball
1:42:51
Speaker 4: is already underway, as is Major League Baseball, but the
1:42:53
Speaker 4: first home game at the ballpark is gonna be tomorrow night.
1:43:00
Speaker 5: Welcome to the show. Hey, happy to be here, man,
1:43:02
Speaker 5: I love being here. Good to see you, sir. Oh,
1:43:05
Speaker 5: it's great to be back. Got in from Las Vegas
1:43:07
Speaker 5: last night. Ready for the home opener tomorrow.
1:43:10
Speaker 4: Ready to go man, Sacramento River Cats in town against
1:43:15
Speaker 4: your Salt Lake Bees and opening day. You've got special
1:43:23
Speaker 4: Tuesday night is homes Homes Family Nights. That's right, four
1:43:26
Speaker 4: seats for forty bucks. Bring the whole family and joy
1:43:29
Speaker 4: a night at the ballpark for the special offer. A
1:43:32
Speaker 4: minimum purchase of four seats, maximum of eight. So you
1:43:36
Speaker 4: know they I like that, they know that a family
1:43:39
Speaker 4: night for U tough family could sometimes be more than
1:43:41
Speaker 4: four tickets.
1:43:42
Speaker 3: Yes, so they let you go up to take that's good. Well,
1:43:45
Speaker 3: we know that we want to.
1:43:46
Speaker 5: Make sure we're catering too families, making sure it's great
1:43:49
Speaker 5: family fun entertainment. Speaking of entertainment, I think you're really
1:43:52
Speaker 5: gonna like what we have this year during the off season.
1:43:56
Speaker 5: A ton of work with game presentation to elevate to
1:43:59
Speaker 5: majorly caliber. That's kind of a big focus for us.
1:44:03
Speaker 5: You know, it's fun working in minor league baseball. I
1:44:07
Speaker 5: mean even before the stadium change and the hype about
1:44:10
Speaker 5: major League Baseball coming someday, our big focus was what
1:44:15
Speaker 5: can we do in our control that is at major
1:44:17
Speaker 5: league caliber? Right, And so for the broadcast, we put
1:44:21
Speaker 5: all of our focus in that same thing. With game presentation,
1:44:23
Speaker 5: we want to make sure it's got the feels of
1:44:26
Speaker 5: something everything that's in our control. And so I know
1:44:29
Speaker 5: Brecken Johnson a guy who has just I mean, he
1:44:32
Speaker 5: obsesses over the smallest details to try and perfect it.
1:44:36
Speaker 5: That guy is one of those eighteen nineteen hours a day,
1:44:40
Speaker 5: you know, he'll text me or reach out to me
1:44:41
Speaker 5: about what do you think about this? Or what do
1:44:42
Speaker 5: you think about that? And he's always wanting to make
1:44:46
Speaker 5: sure that it's not like, hey, we're pretending to be
1:44:48
Speaker 5: major league No, no, no. He embraces all of the
1:44:52
Speaker 5: entertainment to reach that level. And so I'm excited to
1:44:55
Speaker 5: see what we have coming up.
1:44:57
Speaker 4: We've got promotions going on all season. Of course, the
1:45:01
Speaker 4: ballpark at America First Square opening day, tomorrow night, your
1:45:05
Speaker 4: first your first dirty Sodas night, Yeah, on Wednesday, this
1:45:10
Speaker 4: wig Wednesday.
1:45:11
Speaker 5: I am so fired up to that.
1:45:13
Speaker 4: Actually, so I was, I was a little bit bothered
1:45:15
Speaker 4: by the reaction that I got here in studio from
1:45:18
Speaker 4: James and from Spence, and I love alternate branding, and
1:45:22
Speaker 4: minor league baseball is one of the only places left
1:45:26
Speaker 4: where you can have just like good old fashioned silly
1:45:29
Speaker 4: fun in the professional sports lands, right right, And it's local.
1:45:34
Speaker 3: It's exactly. It's like, is it poking a little bit
1:45:37
Speaker 3: of fun on ourselves?
1:45:38
Speaker 5: Maybe?
1:45:38
Speaker 3: Is it more just something like it's great. It is
1:45:42
Speaker 3: a great thing.
1:45:42
Speaker 4: And I'm not even like I'm not I don't even
1:45:45
Speaker 4: have like the punch card for swing. I don't go
1:45:47
Speaker 4: actually drink these things that often. But I love that
1:45:51
Speaker 4: it's like very quintessentially Utah, and they leaned all the
1:45:55
Speaker 4: way into it.
1:45:55
Speaker 5: So it's fun. Because in all the years I've been
1:45:59
Speaker 5: around minor league baseball, I make it very clear all
1:46:03
Speaker 5: do minor league. There's certain things we're gonna do that's
1:46:05
Speaker 5: minor league, right, some promotional nights, some unique fun things.
1:46:08
Speaker 5: You want the fun and the experience of what minor
1:46:12
Speaker 5: league brings in its creativity. You don't want small time. Now,
1:46:15
Speaker 5: this isn't small time. It's not a free paper clip
1:46:18
Speaker 5: for the first hundred fans that show up, and you're
1:46:20
Speaker 5: like that is so dumb and nobody cares. And it's like,
1:46:23
Speaker 5: oh but I got a story in the newspaper.
1:46:26
Speaker 9: No no.
1:46:27
Speaker 5: I always made it clear I'll do minor league. I
1:46:29
Speaker 5: won't do small time. Small time is just not for me.
1:46:32
Speaker 5: But minor league, that's what this is. Here's the other
1:46:35
Speaker 5: thing I would say about it. Oh see, And I
1:46:36
Speaker 5: don't know what your thoughts were about this, but I
1:46:40
Speaker 5: had a buddy of mine who's like, man, you know
1:46:43
Speaker 5: what I miss When the Jazz do their starting lineup.
1:46:47
Speaker 5: You know that song? What's that song? It's like, yeah, serious,
1:46:50
Speaker 5: the Alan Parsons parts act. Yeah, it was so cool.
1:46:53
Speaker 5: It's like, yeah, the song from the Chicago Bulls that
1:46:57
Speaker 5: they just stole no No. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
1:47:00
Speaker 5: they literally stole that for the Bulls.
1:47:02
Speaker 8: No.
1:47:02
Speaker 5: But you know what I used to love. They had
1:47:04
Speaker 5: this video of like the basketball and it's going over
1:47:07
Speaker 5: the mountains and it's going through the city and it
1:47:09
Speaker 5: goes to the arena. I'm like, yeah, just like the
1:47:10
Speaker 5: video of the Bulls when it trots through the city
1:47:14
Speaker 5: and goes to the arena, where they pretty much just
1:47:17
Speaker 5: said copy paste, copy paste, copy paste, And the reason
1:47:20
Speaker 5: why I say that is this. There's a real thing
1:47:23
Speaker 5: in this market where everybody is so deathly afraid of
1:47:28
Speaker 5: being made fun of that it's like, you know what
1:47:31
Speaker 5: the Timberwolves are doing this, let's do that too. And
1:47:34
Speaker 5: I'm not even I'm not even critical of BYU in
1:47:37
Speaker 5: this area, but every time I watch their game presentation,
1:47:39
Speaker 5: like Penn State Lakers, Iceland soccer, Uh, nothing to do.
1:47:47
Speaker 5: You cannot rip Iceland Soccer. I'm not even ripping it.
1:47:49
Speaker 5: I'm just pointing out all the stuff that they did
1:47:52
Speaker 5: that they stole from other teams Texas A and m Okay,
1:47:55
Speaker 5: that's it. I'm not even critical. I'm the fans love it.
1:47:59
Speaker 5: They get into it.
1:48:00
Speaker 4: The acronym ROC the rock the roar of the Cougar
1:48:03
Speaker 4: is something that might have been adopted because their rival
1:48:06
Speaker 4: to the north finally got a little traction with something
1:48:09
Speaker 4: called the Mighty Utah students.
1:48:10
Speaker 5: And by the way, would you suggest anything, well to
1:48:12
Speaker 5: say the rock is cool, that's a great idea. I
1:48:14
Speaker 5: actually like that concept. That was like somewhat original, right.
1:48:19
Speaker 11: Was it duck because they just did it after the
1:48:21
Speaker 11: Musk called themselves the Musk Okay, but like it's still
1:48:24
Speaker 11: their own thing. Okay, they didn't call them like, they
1:48:27
Speaker 11: didn't like randomly have it almost identical to the Musk.
1:48:31
Speaker 5: I don't know what that would have been, but the
1:48:33
Speaker 5: point is at least but I'm not even being critical.
1:48:35
Speaker 5: What I'm saying is it's like, ooh, that's cool. Let's
1:48:38
Speaker 5: take that and the fans get into it. By the way,
1:48:40
Speaker 5: it's a great experience for the fans. I'm not even
1:48:42
Speaker 5: trying to be critical. What I'm saying is this is
1:48:45
Speaker 5: one of the very rare times we have something so original, unique,
1:48:51
Speaker 5: it connects with the market. It's having some fun with
1:48:54
Speaker 5: the minor league element it makes up. By the way,
1:48:58
Speaker 5: when I was in Vegas, everybody's like, what's the dirty
1:49:00
Speaker 5: how to? So now I'm giving the backstory, sure, which
1:49:02
Speaker 5: it's an amazing backstory.
1:49:04
Speaker 8: If you know how swig came together and a wonderful
1:49:07
Speaker 8: woman who overcame so much and creates this business.
1:49:10
Speaker 5: Like there's you know what. To me, I'm like, that
1:49:13
Speaker 5: is something cool.
1:49:14
Speaker 8: Now we have something like that, oh the Mammoth, which
1:49:17
Speaker 8: I love all the stuff they've done with tusks up
1:49:19
Speaker 8: and it's like.
1:49:20
Speaker 5: There we go, guys, now there's something there. Whereas far
1:49:24
Speaker 5: too often I saw things where its copy paste, copy paste,
1:49:27
Speaker 5: copy paste, Well, we know this works over there, and
1:49:29
Speaker 5: I'm like, I have no idea what we have to
1:49:32
Speaker 5: do with Iceland soccer.
1:49:33
Speaker 4: There is it is a very strange nuance to living
1:49:36
Speaker 4: in Utah, where you're fiercely proud of being in Utah. Yeah,
1:49:41
Speaker 4: but you're also like a little self conscious about what
1:49:44
Speaker 4: California and New York think of you, right, and it's
1:49:48
Speaker 4: something we I agree, have to get away from it.
1:49:50
Speaker 4: I think that leaning into what makes Utah Utah like this.
1:49:54
Speaker 4: If it was called the Utah Dirty SODA's all season long,
1:49:58
Speaker 4: I'd be like, guys, that's too much. That's like we like,
1:50:02
Speaker 4: they're the Salt Lake Bees. That's a good brand. Let's
1:50:04
Speaker 4: lean into that. That's wonderful. But major League Baseball has
1:50:08
Speaker 4: this long history, sorry, Minor League Baseball is this long
1:50:12
Speaker 4: history of doing these alternate branding nights awesome where you know,
1:50:15
Speaker 4: you're the yard Poodles for seven games a year or whatever,
1:50:18
Speaker 4: and it's something that makes perfect sense for the local community.
1:50:22
Speaker 9: Right.
1:50:23
Speaker 5: I go to Reno and they have the BLC nine
1:50:27
Speaker 5: biggest little city, and they really get into that, Like
1:50:30
Speaker 5: they really really get into that I love it Las Vegas.
1:50:33
Speaker 5: They sing Viva Las Vegas after the seventh inning stretch
1:50:36
Speaker 5: deep in the heart of Texas down there at Round Rock, right,
1:50:39
Speaker 5: they get really into El Paso has all these unique traditions,
1:50:43
Speaker 5: and I'm like, you know what, Yeah, we need more
1:50:45
Speaker 5: of that. And it's not by the way, here's the
1:50:46
Speaker 5: other thing. It's not forced, right, it's very genuine and
1:50:50
Speaker 5: it's something organic from the state of Utah. And I think,
1:50:53
Speaker 5: I don't know. I think it's it's a rare thing
1:50:55
Speaker 5: that's happened, and so I think it's cool. I'm a
1:50:58
Speaker 5: fan of it, and I'm excited that it's a part
1:51:01
Speaker 5: of what we're doing.
1:51:03
Speaker 4: So I've given some of the other food examples that
1:51:06
Speaker 4: they had in the Louisville Humidity. They are doing some
1:51:10
Speaker 4: rebranding in Louisville about like it's a sweat themed rebrand
1:51:16
Speaker 4: so have a little bit of fun with it.
1:51:18
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, that's the Louisville Bats are being there.
1:51:22
Speaker 5: This is actually it's actually terrible.
1:51:24
Speaker 4: The jerseys are gonna have pitstains sewn into the sweat
1:51:28
Speaker 4: patches already on the jerseys.
1:51:32
Speaker 5: It's wonderful, but I think it's it's neat that as
1:51:35
Speaker 5: we emerge to maybe being and hopefully being a market
1:51:38
Speaker 5: with three major pro sports teams, that there is some
1:51:42
Speaker 5: generic pride in being here. Like, take some pride in
1:51:45
Speaker 5: being in Utah. I love Salt Lake. I love everything
1:51:48
Speaker 5: that it is to be in Salt Lake, the mountains,
1:51:50
Speaker 5: the people, the energy. There's the passionate fans that we
1:51:54
Speaker 5: have for so many different sports and events. It's great.
1:51:57
Speaker 5: Instead we go and make our own cells the part
1:51:59
Speaker 5: of the and the green yellow ha ha. I'm like,
1:52:02
Speaker 5: that's just slame, Like what are we doing? Like, actually
1:52:05
Speaker 5: embrace how great it is to be a part of
1:52:07
Speaker 5: the state.
1:52:09
Speaker 4: Automated ball strike system in Major League Baseball and in
1:52:12
Speaker 4: minor league baseball?
1:52:13
Speaker 5: What do you think of it? So anytime baseball has
1:52:18
Speaker 5: improved a situation, instant replay, forever ago, whatever it is,
1:52:26
Speaker 5: the pitch clock, we can go on and on and on.
1:52:29
Speaker 5: So many people swear there's a monster in the closet,
1:52:33
Speaker 5: and then it just ends up being better every time.
1:52:37
Speaker 5: The ABS system, which I would still be in favor
1:52:40
Speaker 5: of automatic, actually calling all of automatic. If we want
1:52:43
Speaker 5: to get all the calls right, let's get all the
1:52:44
Speaker 5: calls right. And then I see when it first was
1:52:48
Speaker 5: introduced into minor league baseball and I was calling the
1:52:50
Speaker 5: games and people were like, oh, it's just terrible, and like,
1:52:54
Speaker 5: lay the game alone. All of a sudden, we don't
1:52:58
Speaker 5: have shouting matches. I actually I was sure I had
1:53:00
Speaker 5: two injections, none of them over balls and strikes.
1:53:02
Speaker 4: It would have been two years ago, now, you know.
1:53:05
Speaker 4: Took the girls out to the game and we sat
1:53:09
Speaker 4: behind home plate, and it was the first time I
1:53:12
Speaker 4: had seen it put into practice, the challenge system, and
1:53:16
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, okay, let's see if I actually
1:53:18
Speaker 4: like how this works, because kind of like with instant replay,
1:53:22
Speaker 4: there's a way that you can, you know, worry about
1:53:24
Speaker 4: is it bogging down the pace of the game and
1:53:27
Speaker 4: things like that. And I saw it done for the
1:53:29
Speaker 4: first time in the ballpark, not with a television crew
1:53:34
Speaker 4: telling me how to feel about or whatever. Right, You're
1:53:35
Speaker 4: just sitting there as if it got your dippin' dots,
1:53:38
Speaker 4: you got your hot dog, whatever, and I'm just watching and.
1:53:42
Speaker 2: It was.
1:53:45
Speaker 5: Smooth as butter.
1:53:46
Speaker 4: It was easy.
1:53:48
Speaker 7: It was.
1:53:50
Speaker 3: Umpire, that particular umpire.
1:53:52
Speaker 4: Oh I got them all wrong, so kept getting overturned,
1:53:55
Speaker 4: which I'm sure is incredibly frustrating.
1:53:58
Speaker 5: And rare, by the way, is a one out of
1:54:00
Speaker 5: one hundred and fifty that year yet.
1:54:02
Speaker 4: But but right, it was all right, how long is
1:54:06
Speaker 4: it going to take when the batter steps out of
1:54:09
Speaker 4: the box and says no, I don't think so it
1:54:12
Speaker 4: was a seven second ordeal and then you just move on.
1:54:15
Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, that is a technological improvement.
1:54:19
Speaker 4: And I am I'm a traditionalist in a lot of ways,
1:54:22
Speaker 4: but that doesn't cause enough problem for me. There's not
1:54:27
Speaker 4: enough barrier to normal baseball created by it that we
1:54:31
Speaker 4: should not be using it. And I you know, the
1:54:34
Speaker 4: Twins lost the other night because of it, and I'm
1:54:37
Speaker 4: a Twins fan, but it's like, you know what, it's
1:54:40
Speaker 4: improving the product and that's what we should be trying
1:54:44
Speaker 4: to do in all these professional sports.
1:54:46
Speaker 5: Well I like it because so there's a few different things. One,
1:54:49
Speaker 5: it's actually showing how good these umpires are. Like I know,
1:54:52
Speaker 5: you're going to look on social media and see the misses,
1:54:55
Speaker 5: like you know, CB Buckner miss two in a row
1:54:57
Speaker 5: and the crowd is going crazy, Yeah, yeah, normous two
1:55:00
Speaker 5: in a row. Many other times you're going to see
1:55:03
Speaker 5: times where the player's wrong I saw that yesterday in
1:55:06
Speaker 5: my game. It was a ball nearly right down the middle,
1:55:09
Speaker 5: and the crowd was like, WHOA. The other thing you'll
1:55:11
Speaker 5: find is when the umpires miss, we're talking point one inches,
1:55:14
Speaker 5: point three inches. Most times their misses are very close.
1:55:17
Speaker 5: The other thing this does is it gives them in
1:55:19
Speaker 5: game feedback like you know what that ball's down, or
1:55:22
Speaker 5: you know what that ball is at the strike zone,
1:55:24
Speaker 5: and usually they'll make adjustments as they go. What you
1:55:27
Speaker 5: have to understand about being a homeplate umpire is you're
1:55:30
Speaker 5: dealing with First of all, you're not centered the catcher is.
1:55:33
Speaker 5: Second of all, you have an obstructed view. You're using
1:55:36
Speaker 5: depth perception, you have all kinds of life and movement.
1:55:38
Speaker 5: The ball's moving really really fast, and you're using the
1:55:41
Speaker 5: naked eye. So if you're off by point three inches,
1:55:43
Speaker 5: that doesn't mean you're a bad umpire. It just means
1:55:46
Speaker 5: you got the call wrong, and we get it right,
1:55:47
Speaker 5: and there should be a lot of respect moving forward.
1:55:49
Speaker 5: The umpires an hour better than they've ever been. That
1:55:51
Speaker 5: night you were there, I know exactly what you're talking about.
1:55:54
Speaker 5: That umpire miss twelve and the crowd is just like wow,
1:56:00
Speaker 5: And you know there was a one off, and every
1:56:02
Speaker 5: year you'll see one game like that. So if you
1:56:06
Speaker 5: watched major pro athletes and you watch those follies videos,
1:56:10
Speaker 5: you would see a bunch of people who didn't even
1:56:11
Speaker 5: look like they belonged on an athletic field. Same thing
1:56:14
Speaker 5: with umpires. They're performing. Most of them are excellent. I'm
1:56:18
Speaker 5: not just sticking up for them, but this makes it
1:56:20
Speaker 5: even better, and I like that the players have some control.
1:56:23
Speaker 9: Now.
1:56:24
Speaker 5: The last thing I'll say about it is the strike
1:56:26
Speaker 5: zone should never have been the umpires. This idea that
1:56:28
Speaker 5: you know, you.
1:56:29
Speaker 8: Got to manage this situation where you know each umpire,
1:56:32
Speaker 8: you know, he's a no nonsense guy.
1:56:33
Speaker 5: He's a pitcher umpire and he's a batter umpire. What
1:56:35
Speaker 5: are we doing here? Yeah? No, that that quit scre
1:56:38
Speaker 5: with the game. That is something.
1:56:39
Speaker 4: And it was always strange to me that the purists
1:56:42
Speaker 4: in baseball, we're like, this is how it's always bien.
1:56:45
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, deception's a good thing.
1:56:47
Speaker 3: It's like, what, No, what are we talking about here?
1:56:50
Speaker 4: I shouldn't have to as a batter, or as a
1:56:53
Speaker 4: pitcher for that matter, or is a catcher trying to
1:56:55
Speaker 4: frame pitches the right way? I shouldn't have to know
1:56:58
Speaker 4: the mood and the personal tend sees of Jimmy or
1:57:02
Speaker 4: Joe or Sally behind me. It should be uniformity.
1:57:06
Speaker 1: I did.
1:57:06
Speaker 4: I used to umpire little league games. Shout out I
1:57:10
Speaker 4: can imagine shout out bear Park. All right, when I
1:57:12
Speaker 4: was like thirteen years old, and you would have you
1:57:15
Speaker 4: would have those kids who would come up and when
1:57:18
Speaker 4: you're these were like nine year olds, right, So the
1:57:21
Speaker 4: size this parity in that age range. You have some
1:57:24
Speaker 4: kids that are my height as a fifteen year old,
1:57:28
Speaker 4: and you had the kid who was like, it's when
1:57:31
Speaker 4: he got in the batter's box, it was four inches
1:57:34
Speaker 4: from his elbows to his knees.
1:57:35
Speaker 5: Strike a credit.
1:57:36
Speaker 4: Yeah, the strike zone is not even there. And in
1:57:39
Speaker 4: that case, like, okay, there's some difficulty. These are major
1:57:43
Speaker 4: league baseball players, right, we should not have to be like,
1:57:47
Speaker 4: all right, well, on Tuesday night, you got this much room,
1:57:51
Speaker 4: but on Wednesday night it's a different umpire, So you
1:57:53
Speaker 4: got this much room, and on Thursday night it's the
1:57:55
Speaker 4: first umpire again, so.
1:57:57
Speaker 3: You're back to the regular thing.
1:57:59
Speaker 4: Uniformity and making it more of a statistically data driven
1:58:04
Speaker 4: thing has historically in sports, even after the resistance has
1:58:09
Speaker 4: been good for the fan, and I think that's the
1:58:12
Speaker 4: case with these automatic strikes.
1:58:14
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Bobby Valentine had a great conversation with him
1:58:17
Speaker 5: once where he told me a story about an umpire
1:58:20
Speaker 5: who I think it was the All Star Breaker or something,
1:58:23
Speaker 5: his last game for the ul Star Break and he
1:58:25
Speaker 5: needed to get out of there and flight at this time,
1:58:27
Speaker 5: and the game was taken so long, and he literally
1:58:30
Speaker 5: tells Bobby, I'm just opening it up. I'm opening up
1:58:33
Speaker 5: the strike. I'm just telling you right now. And it's like, wait,
1:58:35
Speaker 5: that was acceptable, Like that was you're messing with people's careers.
1:58:38
Speaker 5: He butchers a call at home plate on purpose, on
1:58:42
Speaker 5: purpose because of how it would affect the timing of
1:58:45
Speaker 5: the game, and Bobby's laughing it's been many moons since
1:58:48
Speaker 5: this game, but he goes, it's so strange, Tony, that's
1:58:52
Speaker 5: the way it was like, And I'm like, well, that
1:58:54
Speaker 5: wasn't good. At no point was Eric Greg's strike zone good.
1:58:59
Speaker 5: And I used to hate hearing like, well that's the
1:59:02
Speaker 5: way he's calling it. You got it a josh, And yeah.
1:59:04
Speaker 3: It's like that that's not good for the game. That's right,
1:59:07
Speaker 3: it's not good.
1:59:07
Speaker 5: For the game.
1:59:08
Speaker 4: And by the way, it's a game that is in
1:59:10
Speaker 4: a really, in my opinion, odd place in American culture
1:59:15
Speaker 4: right now, where baseball is this tradition of our grandfathers
1:59:20
Speaker 4: and our fathers and some of us that are of
1:59:22
Speaker 4: this millennial age that we came up playing it, and
1:59:25
Speaker 4: we came up watching it, we came up loving it, and.
1:59:30
Speaker 5: It's not what it was.
1:59:31
Speaker 4: It's not what it used to be from a place
1:59:35
Speaker 4: in the culture standpoint. But there's no reason it can't
1:59:38
Speaker 4: get back to that. There's no reason that it can't
1:59:40
Speaker 4: improve and that it can't sort of be adjusted away
1:59:45
Speaker 4: from the old school traditions that like these ones we're
1:59:47
Speaker 4: talking about, to something that is more of a package
1:59:50
Speaker 4: that us and our kids are going to be accepting
1:59:54
Speaker 4: of the way that we were when we were little
1:59:56
Speaker 4: kids with our moms and dads. So I like that
1:59:58
Speaker 4: baseball is acknowledged like, hey, we can do some things
2:00:03
Speaker 4: to get us back to where we should be as
2:00:05
Speaker 4: America's passed totally.
2:00:07
Speaker 5: I think the game has only gotten better because of
2:00:09
Speaker 5: this stuff. So it's been good.
2:00:10
Speaker 4: You love to see, all right, the major leagues. I
2:00:16
Speaker 4: know you're you're calling minor league baseball. But you're a
2:00:19
Speaker 4: major league guy yourself. Uh So, who's who's the like,
2:00:26
Speaker 4: the tier of actual contenders, who's the upstart team, what's
2:00:30
Speaker 4: the what is the baseball storyline that has your greatest
2:00:34
Speaker 4: attention right now?
2:00:35
Speaker 5: Of course, the tiers of this thing are always gonna
2:00:37
Speaker 5: you know, everybody wants to know, like who are the contenders?
2:00:39
Speaker 3: Who are Okay, payroll payroll, pay roll, and some of
2:00:44
Speaker 3: that is just you.
2:00:44
Speaker 5: Know, fact of the matter. Well, I thought Toronto looked outstanding.
2:00:48
Speaker 5: I thought the Yankees look great.
2:00:49
Speaker 9: Man.
2:00:49
Speaker 5: They really suffocated the Giants. I mean that was I mean,
2:00:54
Speaker 5: that was a sound beating three games in a row.
2:00:58
Speaker 5: The Angels had a nice start to this thing. I
2:01:00
Speaker 5: know they're the parent club of the Bees and split
2:01:02
Speaker 5: with the Astros. I still I came into this thing going,
2:01:06
Speaker 5: you know what, I'm not looking away from the Astros.
2:01:09
Speaker 5: They still have a lot of talent in that system.
2:01:10
Speaker 5: They still have a lot of and I think it
2:01:12
Speaker 5: was a failure not to make the playoffs last year, right,
2:01:15
Speaker 5: but there's something about them that has been underperforming as
2:01:20
Speaker 5: of late. I mean, the Brewers. I know that it
2:01:23
Speaker 5: was only against the White Sox, but I think that
2:01:25
Speaker 5: team could very well end up with the best record
2:01:28
Speaker 5: in the NL when it's done. I know the Dodgers
2:01:30
Speaker 5: are gonna have a lot to say about that, so
2:01:32
Speaker 5: that's gonna make it a lot of fun. So I
2:01:35
Speaker 5: don't think when I look at the real contenders, you know, Dodgers, Brewers,
2:01:40
Speaker 5: and I know people want to make a lot still
2:01:42
Speaker 5: about the Phillies, but I still think they have a
2:01:44
Speaker 5: lot to prove as well. And I like the Blue
2:01:47
Speaker 5: Jays and the Yanks. And then of course, I know
2:01:50
Speaker 5: Seattle didn't have as good a weekend as they wanted,
2:01:53
Speaker 5: but I think Seattle's going to compete and contend right
2:01:55
Speaker 5: towards the top as well. Now the Central Division teams, now,
2:01:58
Speaker 5: I know Detroit. You know they won the series against
2:02:02
Speaker 5: Cleveland after giving up the Division. Cleveland is that team
2:02:05
Speaker 5: that I love to root for because I love the
2:02:09
Speaker 5: way they get the most out of what they have.
2:02:11
Speaker 5: They still need more, like you still, and they prove
2:02:14
Speaker 5: it every October. You're just You're not gonna get in
2:02:17
Speaker 5: October and fluke your way to a World Series anymore.
2:02:21
Speaker 5: There's too many rounds, there's too many good teams, and
2:02:25
Speaker 5: I like, while I wasn't as big on some of
2:02:28
Speaker 5: the expansion for the playoffs. Initially, I like that you
2:02:32
Speaker 5: do have to have more than just to get in
2:02:34
Speaker 5: and see what happens. You can't fluke your way to
2:02:38
Speaker 5: the World Series. You've got to be able to win
2:02:41
Speaker 5: a series, win another series. You have to have depth
2:02:43
Speaker 5: and you have to have strength in a lot of areas.
2:02:47
Speaker 5: You can't just be a one trick pony. So but
2:02:50
Speaker 5: I'll tell you, I like Toronto, I like New York.
2:02:53
Speaker 5: I think it's gonna be a great battle in the East.
2:02:55
Speaker 5: It's to be fun. I think it's gonna be fun
2:02:57
Speaker 5: regular season. But I think it's it's in instead of this, Hey,
2:03:00
Speaker 5: it's wide open there.
2:03:02
Speaker 3: This is kind of you.
2:03:02
Speaker 5: There's a lot of teams. No, I think there's quite
2:03:04
Speaker 5: a short list of teams who are going to legitimately content.
2:03:08
Speaker 7: Well.
2:03:08
Speaker 5: I think that's.
2:03:11
Speaker 4: Partially a function of the fact that you know, it's
2:03:13
Speaker 4: not a hard salary cap league. And there, I mean,
2:03:18
Speaker 4: the Twins are now the Oakland A's, So you're like,
2:03:25
Speaker 4: that's the team I grew up watching, right, That's the
2:03:26
Speaker 4: team that I grew up caring about, and they are
2:03:30
Speaker 4: now they've relegated themselves because of owner decisions, leadership decisions
2:03:35
Speaker 4: to being a team that identifies great young talent, helps
2:03:39
Speaker 4: develop that great young talent, and then because they don't
2:03:41
Speaker 4: believe in their own product and their own ability to
2:03:45
Speaker 4: push that young talent into contention, then they're like, Okay,
2:03:48
Speaker 4: let's sell this young talent to a buying team and
2:03:53
Speaker 4: we'll stockpile more draft picks and reload our farm system
2:03:57
Speaker 4: and things like that. And look, it's a function of
2:04:00
Speaker 4: of economics, and the economics in baseball right now have
2:04:05
Speaker 4: certain teams that are just absolute monsters goliath payrolls that
2:04:11
Speaker 4: most of the time translate into being pretty good, successful
2:04:14
Speaker 4: postseason teams. I realize it's not just as simple as well,
2:04:18
Speaker 4: if you pay the most, you're gonna win.
2:04:19
Speaker 3: It's not that way in any sport.
2:04:21
Speaker 4: But would baseball serve themselves and their fans better if
2:04:25
Speaker 4: they instituted some level of regulation on the salary cap.
2:04:29
Speaker 5: I'd like to see that. I've always wanted to see that,
2:04:31
Speaker 5: And I understand that, Yeah, it's tough, because if you're
2:04:35
Speaker 5: not gonna pay, it's gonna be really tough. You're just
2:04:38
Speaker 5: not gonna nickel and dime your way to a championship.
2:04:40
Speaker 5: We appreciate it when it happens. We root for those
2:04:42
Speaker 5: teams like Moneyballs are great. It's great me, but you
2:04:46
Speaker 5: could see they weren't gonna win the whole thing. Right,
2:04:48
Speaker 5: You're gonna lose to Minnesota in five. They ain't gonna
2:04:51
Speaker 5: lose to Boston when you should have won that series
2:04:53
Speaker 5: in two or oh three, actually okay, And then you
2:04:58
Speaker 5: are always this plucky, tryhard regular season team that I
2:05:02
Speaker 5: got behind. I loved him. I was always rooting for him.
2:05:04
Speaker 5: I loved those guys, Kotse Chavez, I mean, Eric Burns,
2:05:09
Speaker 5: like I loved those dudes long Die, I mean I
2:05:13
Speaker 5: had did. That was blue collar baseball. You're always behind him.
2:05:16
Speaker 5: You hope they win, but you're always like you don't.
2:05:19
Speaker 5: You still don't have this. And by the way, Moneyball
2:05:21
Speaker 5: great movie, but let's not leave out that you had
2:05:23
Speaker 5: three of the best starters in baseball. Can we just
2:05:25
Speaker 5: stop acting like you know they were out there kurt
2:05:29
Speaker 5: Less Scanic or something like that. Ching has never mattered
2:05:32
Speaker 5: in baseball.
2:05:32
Speaker 8: I mean they're like, yeah, Scott Hadiberg got us to
2:05:35
Speaker 8: you know, twenty straight wins.
2:05:37
Speaker 5: I'm not saying that Hadiberg didn't have a role in
2:05:41
Speaker 5: some sort of thing. But geez, you only had, you know,
2:05:45
Speaker 5: three of the best pitchers out there, and you just
2:05:47
Speaker 5: happen to line up that rotation.
2:05:49
Speaker 4: Anyway, was it that Chris Pratt's first skinny guy role
2:05:53
Speaker 4: playing Haddiberg in that movie?
2:05:54
Speaker 5: He might be right.
2:05:56
Speaker 4: I think that was the first time we saw Chris
2:05:58
Speaker 4: Pratt outside of being Chubby Andy from Parks and rec
2:06:02
Speaker 4: If I'm not mistaken, which one came out for Zero,
2:06:09
Speaker 4: Dark thirty or or Moneyball, because yeah, he was like
2:06:13
Speaker 4: he was a Navy seal in that one, and nobody
2:06:16
Speaker 4: was just like.
2:06:16
Speaker 5: Wait, that's the fat guy from the Office.
2:06:18
Speaker 4: Anyway, we digress, like, I can't let you get out
2:06:22
Speaker 4: of here before we talk a little March madness, especially
2:06:25
Speaker 4: because your beloved Michigan Wolverines have been dog walking everybody
2:06:30
Speaker 4: to the final four.
2:06:31
Speaker 3: Now.
2:06:33
Speaker 4: I think that the right thing to do as a
2:06:36
Speaker 4: Utah or BYU fan is to hope that the Big
2:06:38
Speaker 4: twelve can take home a championship with the Arizona Wildcats.
2:06:42
Speaker 4: And that's what's standing in front of your Michigan Wolverines
2:06:45
Speaker 4: right now. But they have looked really, really good, and
2:06:49
Speaker 4: we've got some fascinating matchups here in the Final four.
2:06:51
Speaker 5: Oh, I love it. I love this matchup Arizona Michigan.
2:06:55
Speaker 5: I think it's a coin flip game. I'll give an
2:06:57
Speaker 5: edge to Michigan. I think Michigan has a weapon. I
2:07:00
Speaker 5: think Michigan has a weapon that no team. I don't
2:07:03
Speaker 5: think any team has this weapon, and I don't think
2:07:05
Speaker 5: they have an answer for it. And that's the vertical
2:07:07
Speaker 5: spacing that's created by Mara. I mean, not only is
2:07:09
Speaker 5: he tall, he can go up. He's agile and any
2:07:12
Speaker 5: time if you're not ready for it, they could put
2:07:14
Speaker 5: it up for an l you've dunk, and then if
2:07:15
Speaker 5: you do cover it, it helps open up space for shooters.
2:07:18
Speaker 5: And so you really have to decide how you know
2:07:20
Speaker 5: what you want to live with when you play up
2:07:23
Speaker 5: against that offense when they're operating at an optimal level.
2:07:25
Speaker 5: The one thing that hurts Michigan is that case and
2:07:27
Speaker 5: injury him coming off the bench was really really big.
2:07:31
Speaker 5: And so if you make it thirty seven grueling minutes
2:07:33
Speaker 5: for Cado, then you know it's a really tough thing.
2:07:36
Speaker 5: And I think Arizona couldn't make that happen. I mean
2:07:38
Speaker 5: Arizona can hit the shots they have the defense, they
2:07:41
Speaker 5: have the playmaking on offense. They have everything you want.
2:07:44
Speaker 8: I think.
2:07:44
Speaker 5: You know, some people have said that the Arizona Michigan
2:07:46
Speaker 5: matchup is the national championship. I don't think I'll go
2:07:49
Speaker 5: that far, but I would favor whoever comes out of
2:07:52
Speaker 5: that to win the championship game. Yesterday, my wife and
2:07:56
Speaker 5: daughter went to the game at the United Center, that
2:07:58
Speaker 5: Elite eight game, and my wife said that, I mean,
2:08:01
Speaker 5: that's the loudest she's heard the United Center. And she
2:08:04
Speaker 5: said that that, I mean, the crowd was pumped. She goes,
2:08:06
Speaker 5: that's as dominant as I've seen a team in the
2:08:08
Speaker 5: Elite eight. What an exciting way for them to do.
2:08:11
Speaker 5: I was on the air the whole time, just corner
2:08:13
Speaker 5: eyeing the score. But I get to the airport and
2:08:18
Speaker 5: I know the Yukon Duke game is finished. I don't
2:08:20
Speaker 5: know who want, and I pull up the condensed game.
2:08:25
Speaker 5: It's like fifteen minutes and I'm watching it. I thought
2:08:27
Speaker 5: Duke would win, thought it would be a good game.
2:08:30
Speaker 5: And then I'm like, oh man, I was wrong. Duke
2:08:32
Speaker 5: is boat racing these.
2:08:37
Speaker 8: And then I see Duke start to make a couple
2:08:38
Speaker 8: of mistakes and I'm like, all right, they've opened the
2:08:40
Speaker 8: door here. Connecticut's got a shot. You know, got a
2:08:43
Speaker 8: chance here. I see a few other mistakes. I'm like, well,
2:08:46
Speaker 8: you know, mess around long enough, bad things can happen.
2:08:49
Speaker 8: But I mean, they're they're not going to lose this thing.
2:08:52
Speaker 5: And then I'm watching it towards the end and they're
2:08:54
Speaker 5: unable to get the steal, and then they break the press,
2:08:57
Speaker 5: and then they don't break the press, and I see
2:08:59
Speaker 5: him get it and I'm like, oh, Yukon's got a
2:09:02
Speaker 5: chance here, and they hit that three pointer. That is
2:09:06
Speaker 5: the most shocked that I have been, not not at
2:09:11
Speaker 5: a play and a finish. Ok since the Weber timeout
2:09:15
Speaker 5: in NCATERM. That is the most just full on. I
2:09:18
Speaker 5: mean I just jaw dropped him sitting there in the
2:09:20
Speaker 5: Vegas airport, like what did I just watch?
2:09:24
Speaker 4: Okay, now, on the broadcast, you could not see Dan
2:09:27
Speaker 4: Hurley going forehead to forehead with a referee.
2:09:31
Speaker 5: Have you seen this video?
2:09:32
Speaker 9: No?
2:09:33
Speaker 5: I don't think I can. You know what I have
2:09:34
Speaker 5: to I have to show you this video. Are you
2:09:37
Speaker 5: talking about while the play is happening.
2:09:39
Speaker 3: After the play in the ensuing timeout, he.
2:09:48
Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm just gonna let you watch it on
2:09:50
Speaker 4: my computer here because it is insane. Okay, so this
2:09:55
Speaker 4: is like, this is what the game is happening. If
2:09:58
Speaker 4: this is just on a loop here, Okay, this is
2:10:01
Speaker 4: Dan Hurley. What in the world would you possibly be
2:10:07
Speaker 4: doing that for? U one?
2:10:08
Speaker 8: Okay with point four seconds some one with less than
2:10:12
Speaker 8: a second? Is the only way technical foul and technical
2:10:15
Speaker 8: foul tech or no tech, Tony, Because I most of
2:10:20
Speaker 8: the time when I see something happen in sports or
2:10:22
Speaker 8: after sports, like, I'm just like, I have this take
2:10:25
Speaker 8: of you gotta call that.
2:10:26
Speaker 5: Or you can't call that.
2:10:28
Speaker 4: This one, I'm just like, I lean towards you can't
2:10:33
Speaker 4: call that. You the referee don't want to decide the
2:10:35
Speaker 4: outcome of this game. But also, it's not a player
2:10:38
Speaker 4: being dumb, it's a coach, right, And I'm also like,
2:10:41
Speaker 4: how do you let this slide without it.
2:10:43
Speaker 5: Being a tech? You better have said something like nice
2:10:45
Speaker 5: call on that jump ball, Nope I agree, or good
2:10:48
Speaker 5: no call on whatever, or I don't know what in
2:10:52
Speaker 5: the world you know, but if you told him, yeah,
2:10:57
Speaker 5: we won this game despite your terrible performer. Whatever you like,
2:11:01
Speaker 5: you make contact with an official, it was with your
2:11:03
Speaker 5: head like this better have been a compliment, but you
2:11:07
Speaker 5: decide to go rooster in a henhouse with your your
2:11:11
Speaker 5: jacket halfway off, and.
2:11:13
Speaker 12: Then he stares at him as he backs away. It's
2:11:17
Speaker 12: like as disrespectful a move as we have seen for
2:11:20
Speaker 12: asking for it, and there's no tech. And again I'm like,
2:11:24
Speaker 12: I think it's better that the tech wasn't called. But
2:11:27
Speaker 12: also I'm like, man, how do you let a coach
2:11:30
Speaker 12: get away with this?
2:11:31
Speaker 9: Well?
2:11:31
Speaker 5: No, if he earned it, it should have been called.
2:11:34
Speaker 5: And I'm not the You can't talk to a ref
2:11:36
Speaker 5: like that. You No, no, if he earned it. That's
2:11:38
Speaker 5: why we go back to that ejection with a Coastal
2:11:41
Speaker 5: Carolina and that College World Series game, and I know
2:11:44
Speaker 5: we don't need to open up the can of worms.
2:11:46
Speaker 5: I wouldn't have ejected him, but I could see why
2:11:48
Speaker 5: he pushed the envelope unnecessarily to leave the door open
2:11:51
Speaker 5: that somebody else would because by the book, you did
2:11:56
Speaker 5: earn the ejection. I don't know what to tell you.
2:11:58
Speaker 5: What are you doing? He just gave you a and
2:12:00
Speaker 5: you're out there beyond the warning track screaming at him.
2:12:03
Speaker 5: So he throws you and everybody's like, oh, this is
2:12:06
Speaker 5: a championship getting no no, no, no no, So I
2:12:09
Speaker 5: don't care if it's the Elite eight. If he earned it,
2:12:12
Speaker 5: it should have been called I don't know if you,
2:12:14
Speaker 5: like I said, he may have said something like nice
2:12:16
Speaker 5: job on that whatever. He might have complimented him. I've
2:12:18
Speaker 5: seen you know, you never want to assume the body
2:12:20
Speaker 5: language automatically means hostility. It doesn't look good. Meanwhile, I've
2:12:25
Speaker 5: seen situations where somebody gets thrown out of a baseball
2:12:28
Speaker 5: game and they're like, he was walking away. I'm like,
2:12:32
Speaker 5: I don't care if he calls him an FCS. He's ejected,
2:12:36
Speaker 5: like right, like, you don't. You can't just say whatever
2:12:39
Speaker 5: you want or do whatever you want and then look
2:12:42
Speaker 5: at the bracket and justify it. So if he earned it,
2:12:46
Speaker 5: he's lucky he didn't get that called. But like I said,
2:12:49
Speaker 5: I don't know, hurly enough, he could have said something
2:12:51
Speaker 5: like are we just fixing the clock? Okay? Cool? I
2:12:55
Speaker 5: don't know, But everything about his body language it's just
2:12:58
Speaker 5: screams arrogance.
2:12:59
Speaker 4: It's just well, again, let the basketball figure out a
2:13:02
Speaker 4: basketball game.
2:13:03
Speaker 3: So I'm very happy about that. I'm glad for that.
2:13:06
Speaker 4: But man, you like, this is one of those things
2:13:10
Speaker 4: and I'm glad I'm talking to a baseball guy, right.
2:13:12
Speaker 3: This is one of those things.
2:13:14
Speaker 4: Where it's like, the next time that you see that person,
2:13:18
Speaker 4: you're plunking them in the box you had. Like it's
2:13:22
Speaker 4: like if you're this referee and you're watching this over
2:13:26
Speaker 4: and over and over again the way that I am,
2:13:28
Speaker 4: You're like, yeah, next time I see that dude, I
2:13:32
Speaker 4: am making his life miserable. The laying game warning before
2:13:36
Speaker 4: the game, I'm just calling the pettiest, most ridiculous game
2:13:42
Speaker 4: after that because I let you slide on this one.
2:13:46
Speaker 8: Next time, I can't. It just feels so bananas to me.
2:13:51
Speaker 8: I'll say this man, that that game was wild. Yeah,
2:13:55
Speaker 8: fortunate there. I don't know, like, when's the last time
2:13:58
Speaker 8: during the tournament. I'm not talking about an upset. I'm
2:14:02
Speaker 8: not talking about like somebody just made a shot. Like
2:14:05
Speaker 8: the Latner shot wasn't shocking. Laytner was the best player
2:14:09
Speaker 8: in the nation. It was a great play. That's still
2:14:10
Speaker 8: the best college basketball game I've ever seen. But I'm
2:14:13
Speaker 8: just running through my mind of a sequence at the
2:14:17
Speaker 8: end of the game that I have been that jaw
2:14:20
Speaker 8: dropped the Weber One was shocking just because yeah, I
2:14:23
Speaker 8: knew they had no timeouts.
2:14:24
Speaker 5: Obviously, I'm anticipating, what are we gonna do? What are
2:14:26
Speaker 5: we gonna do? And then it was stunning because it
2:14:29
Speaker 5: was over and it was the slowest death at the
2:14:31
Speaker 5: end of a game, Like you see players on the
2:14:34
Speaker 5: bench like, were good, we good, No we're not.
2:14:36
Speaker 8: It's over, It's done, And that moment there was you
2:14:41
Speaker 8: can see them break the press, you can see the
2:14:43
Speaker 8: dunk down at the other end that's about to end it.
2:14:46
Speaker 8: Then the deflection. Then you're like, oh, they got a chance.
2:14:50
Speaker 8: Well it's not a great chance.
2:14:52
Speaker 4: Well but he's got a good look and it swishes
2:14:54
Speaker 4: in and you're just like, what a flip I would
2:14:57
Speaker 4: have I would have paid money to just watch a
2:14:59
Speaker 4: lie stream of the rest of Mullen's night. Okay, you're
2:15:03
Speaker 4: a freshman who just kind of had a bad game
2:15:05
Speaker 4: and you hit that shot. You're not telling me nothing
2:15:08
Speaker 4: the rest of the day, and I think I'm insufferable.
2:15:11
Speaker 5: After hitting that shot, I heard somewhere that he thought
2:15:14
Speaker 5: the game was tied, that he in the moment thought
2:15:17
Speaker 5: he tied the game. Yeah, so he's not even going
2:15:21
Speaker 5: ballistic yet. He's like, all right, over time we go wow,
2:15:27
Speaker 5: and so like each that thing had and I hate
2:15:30
Speaker 5: to bring up all the Michigan tragedies, but that thing
2:15:33
Speaker 5: had Blake O'Neill Michigan State debacle where he fumbles the
2:15:38
Speaker 5: snap on the punt and hands it off to Jaalen
2:15:41
Speaker 5: Wats Jackson or whatever it was, and yeah, like that
2:15:44
Speaker 5: that was the type of shock that whole sequence happened.
2:15:47
Speaker 4: And it's it's this thing that you tune into March
2:15:50
Speaker 4: madness for. I think that the gun. I think that
2:15:52
Speaker 4: the tournament this year, because there weren't these like crazy
2:15:57
Speaker 4: on court things that were happening, it caused us to
2:16:00
Speaker 4: kind of focus on the effect of off court things
2:16:03
Speaker 4: on college basketball right now, how the transfer portal's taking
2:16:07
Speaker 4: away these cinderellas and these teams with these big payrolls
2:16:10
Speaker 4: are either performing up to par or they're not. And
2:16:13
Speaker 4: we're talking about that more than we're talking about the
2:16:15
Speaker 4: crazy results. And this game finally gave us something like, oh,
2:16:19
Speaker 4: there you are, March Madness. That's what we were waiting for.
2:16:22
Speaker 4: That's the kind of chaos that we have come accustomed
2:16:25
Speaker 4: to and that we want from the college basketball tournament
2:16:28
Speaker 4: every single year.
2:16:29
Speaker 3: So good on you, Yukon, And that's so cool.
2:16:32
Speaker 4: And and by the way, if you're duke, you now
2:16:35
Speaker 4: are developing some victim complex because you're the bluest of
2:16:40
Speaker 4: blue bloods. But you're watching people relish in your demise
2:16:44
Speaker 4: while the coach does the most arrogant, ridiculous behavior.
2:16:48
Speaker 5: How could you like Yukon more than us? And the
2:16:52
Speaker 5: duke call of it was like on the floor, so
2:16:54
Speaker 5: technical talk about and it's like, no, it's a dead ball.
2:16:58
Speaker 5: They stopped to play at all o'clock. No it's not anyway.
2:17:02
Speaker 8: I was like, oh, you poor guys. All right, man, Tony,
2:17:06
Speaker 8: it's great to have you in dude, thanks for having anytime.
2:17:08
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Speaker 3: All right, Utah State has a new basketball coach.
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Speaker 1: As you was listening to the Sean O'Connell Show from
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Speaker 4: All right, the Utah State Aggies headed to the PAC twelve,
2:18:14
Speaker 4: and they'll have a new coach, a guy after roughly
2:18:21
Speaker 4: two decades at Northern Iowa, Ben Jacobson is he's agreed
2:18:26
Speaker 4: to a five year deal with the Utah State Aggies
2:18:29
Speaker 4: to succeed Jared Calhoun, who, of course took over for Cincinnati.
2:18:36
Speaker 3: Three hundred and ninety seven games.
2:18:38
Speaker 4: For UNI, he won three hundred ninety seven games, went
2:18:43
Speaker 4: to the tournament five times, including a Sweet sixteen run
2:18:46
Speaker 4: in twenty ten.
2:18:49
Speaker 5: Oh dang.
2:18:50
Speaker 3: He was the coach that long ago.
2:18:51
Speaker 6: I remember, I was about to say, yeah, you and
2:18:53
Speaker 6: I had had at least one run I remember a
2:18:56
Speaker 6: long time ago.
2:18:57
Speaker 5: That's just you've been around that long. He's been there
2:19:00
Speaker 5: for twenty years.
2:19:02
Speaker 4: So look, is it a splash sexy like when you
2:19:09
Speaker 4: get grab someone from northern Iowa. No, but I'll tell
2:19:11
Speaker 4: you who it is splash and sexy for. For Coach
2:19:15
Speaker 4: Jacobson and his family and the people like I have.
2:19:20
Speaker 4: I have been to this part of the world many
2:19:22
Speaker 4: a time. Okay, if you drive from Chicago to Dubuque, Iowa,
2:19:27
Speaker 4: you're going past Northern Iowa. Cedar Falls, Iowa is lovely
2:19:37
Speaker 4: for a Midwestern town. They have been practicing. Their basketball
2:19:44
Speaker 4: team has been practicing in the like student municipal gym
2:19:48
Speaker 4: for the entirety of his career.
2:19:51
Speaker 3: They don't have their own facilities.
2:19:55
Speaker 4: This the spectrum and what Utah State Basketball all has
2:20:00
Speaker 4: built and done is going to be the ultimate in
2:20:04
Speaker 4: a positive way, culture shock for.
2:20:09
Speaker 5: Ben Jacobson.
2:20:14
Speaker 4: It's also a guy that is not this rising young
2:20:18
Speaker 4: forty year old star that if he does have success
2:20:22
Speaker 4: at Utah State, is going to be immediately looking for
2:20:25
Speaker 4: the next landing spot.
2:20:27
Speaker 5: I think that.
2:20:28
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, you have to think about that if you're the
2:20:30
Speaker 4: Aggies now, like, all right, we got a forty something
2:20:33
Speaker 4: goal team. Now they are a Pac twelve team. But
2:20:39
Speaker 4: I think that you have to do these calculations. Right
2:20:41
Speaker 4: I'm willing to give you a five year deal, and
2:20:45
Speaker 4: I'm hoping that if all things go well, you're actually
2:20:47
Speaker 4: there for at least three of those five years.
2:20:52
Speaker 3: There's been way too much turnover.
2:20:53
Speaker 4: They have survived it in a way that almost no
2:20:55
Speaker 4: other team does, but there's been way too much turnover
2:20:59
Speaker 4: and logan. And this is someone who spent twenty years
2:21:03
Speaker 4: at his last stop. It's kind of like when Arizona
2:21:05
Speaker 4: hired Tommy Lloyd. They're just like, this guy is not
2:21:08
Speaker 4: using us as a stepping stone, because I mean, although
2:21:13
Speaker 4: he is in the Carolina, he made coaching rumors, he may.
2:21:17
Speaker 3: Very well end up using them as a stepping stone.
2:21:20
Speaker 4: But I actually have a hard time seeing that, especially
2:21:23
Speaker 4: with the level of success he's having in Tucson right now.
2:21:26
Speaker 5: I mean, you're telling me that if he.
2:21:30
Speaker 4: And if Tommy Lloyd wins a national championship at Arizona
2:21:34
Speaker 4: or even makes it to that championship game, and then
2:21:37
Speaker 4: Carolina is just like, we're gonna pay you whatever. We'll
2:21:40
Speaker 4: give you eleven million bucks that Arizona's just gonna be like, yeah, Okay,
2:21:44
Speaker 4: We're not gonna do that.
2:21:45
Speaker 5: We can't compete.
2:21:46
Speaker 4: Yeah, Arizona's got the money, like I mean, and I guess,
2:21:52
Speaker 4: I guess North Carolina is still in a situation where
2:21:55
Speaker 4: you're you're more of a blue blood and you can
2:22:00
Speaker 4: offer maybe slightly more. And maybe the Michael Jordan connection
2:22:03
Speaker 4: matters to Tommy Lloyd if you get him more involved,
2:22:06
Speaker 4: but he cares about NASCAR right now more than he
2:22:08
Speaker 4: cares about the Tar Heels.
2:22:10
Speaker 3: I just, yeah, North Carolina is a.
2:22:13
Speaker 4: Better job and a better basketball community than pretty much
2:22:15
Speaker 4: everywhere in the country.
2:22:16
Speaker 3: But Arizona is not far behind.
2:22:19
Speaker 4: No, or they don't have to stay far behind, because
2:22:22
Speaker 4: they can say, like, our resources in basketball are there
2:22:28
Speaker 4: in a way that like Utah can't even be why
2:22:30
Speaker 4: you can't, So we'll see what happens there. But for
2:22:33
Speaker 4: Utah State, I like this hire not because I know
2:22:36
Speaker 4: a ton about Ben Jacobson, not because I'm like a
2:22:40
Speaker 4: huge fan of Northern Iowa basketball and what they've done lately.
2:22:43
Speaker 3: It's been a while been on a tournament drought.
2:22:45
Speaker 4: But it's just it feels like a nice fit where
2:22:50
Speaker 4: he's the type of coach who's done more with less
2:22:52
Speaker 4: for two decades now, and you're gonna give him more
2:22:56
Speaker 4: than he's had. And when you do give him more
2:22:59
Speaker 4: than he's had, instead of being like, Okay, I have
2:23:02
Speaker 4: a taste of more than what I've had, now I
2:23:04
Speaker 4: want even more so now when whomever offers me, That's
2:23:08
Speaker 4: where I'm going. This feels like a guy who's going
2:23:11
Speaker 4: to appreciate what Utah States got and what Utah State
2:23:13
Speaker 4: can give him. And maybe you can get Carson templan
2:23:16
Speaker 4: to get back out of the transfer portal or something
2:23:18
Speaker 4: like that and keep building on what Jared Calhoun and
2:23:22
Speaker 4: all of his predecessors have somehow miraculously built in logan.
2:23:26
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I'll say this too. I think that I
2:23:29
Speaker 6: think that Aggies fans, at least based off of some
2:23:34
Speaker 6: of the responses I've seen on social media to the
2:23:38
Speaker 6: Jared Calhoun rumors that he would be leaving for a
2:23:41
Speaker 6: place like Cincinnati. So before they hired him, Aggie's fans
2:23:46
Speaker 6: started to see the writing on the wall, and based
2:23:49
Speaker 6: off some of the reaction to that, they seem to
2:23:52
Speaker 6: have a lot of self awareness and to be like, hey,
2:23:55
Speaker 6: we we'll just keep this going, this thing that we're doing,
2:23:58
Speaker 6: that we've been able to do, We'll just keep going
2:24:00
Speaker 6: with the next head coach. And they have no reason
2:24:02
Speaker 6: to believe that that won't be the case with Ben Jacobson.
2:24:06
Speaker 6: So I'll say that, and I'll also say that it's
2:24:12
Speaker 6: not as if Jared Calhoun and Danny Sprinkle were these
2:24:16
Speaker 6: guys that were had a way higher profile than Ben Jacobson,
2:24:19
Speaker 6: and yet they're the guys that you're like, oh man,
2:24:22
Speaker 6: I wish we should have or even Craig Smith, oh man,
2:24:25
Speaker 6: if we didn't, if we didn't lose that guy, maybe well,
2:24:28
Speaker 6: and they fortunately they don't have to do that because
2:24:31
Speaker 6: it's like, well we kept it going, but there was
2:24:34
Speaker 6: They're they're not doing any hand ringing there for both
2:24:37
Speaker 6: of those reasons. Who's to say Ben Jacobson can't be
2:24:41
Speaker 6: better than Jared Calhoun.
2:24:42
Speaker 5: Well, that's the thing, right you.
2:24:45
Speaker 4: Utah State is not the program that North Carolina is
2:24:49
Speaker 4: right now, They're not the program that if Bill self
2:24:51
Speaker 4: retires at Kansas. At Kansas, you have to hit you
2:24:55
Speaker 4: have to check every dang box in order to get
2:24:58
Speaker 4: your fan base in the media and everyone else to
2:25:00
Speaker 4: be like, yeah, that's a good hire. Utah States in
2:25:04
Speaker 4: a situation where we should be giving the leadership who
2:25:08
Speaker 4: has made these decisions in the past, we should be
2:25:10
Speaker 4: giving them grace and we should be giving them the
2:25:12
Speaker 4: benefit of the doubt because it has been great in Logan.
2:25:18
Speaker 4: They won twenty seven games this year.
2:25:20
Speaker 6: They won a tournament game, yes, for the second time
2:25:25
Speaker 6: in three years, so they've they've been doing it recently,
2:25:28
Speaker 6: but also just the third one since nineteen seventy one. Like,
2:25:33
Speaker 6: things have been better than they've ever been in Logan.
2:25:38
Speaker 3: So congrats to Aggie fans out there and to coach Jacobson.
2:25:42
Speaker 4: Until there's reason for me to believe that this is
2:25:44
Speaker 4: anything but a good move, I'm gonna believe it's a
2:25:47
Speaker 4: good move because.
2:25:50
Speaker 3: They I don't question their decisions up there.
2:25:52
Speaker 6: No, by the way, should we get mom and pop
2:25:55
Speaker 6: O'Connell on the show to break down Northern Iowa and
2:25:58
Speaker 6: Ben Jacobson.
2:26:00
Speaker 4: They live in the area, right, They lived in the
2:26:02
Speaker 4: i don't anymore. They live in Oklahoma now, oh no,
2:26:05
Speaker 4: that's right, but that's where they're from. My parents are
2:26:07
Speaker 4: from Eastern Iowa, Debuke Iowa. But there I forgot that
2:26:11
Speaker 4: you had told me that they moved it. They moved
2:26:13
Speaker 4: somewhere else. But yeah, I mean, maybe they can maybe
2:26:16
Speaker 4: help us break down this higher That would actually be hilarious,
2:26:19
Speaker 4: because I can tell you this with dead certainty. My
2:26:24
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2:26:30
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Speaker 5: We'll keep it freshened up for you.
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Speaker 3: Little little viewing period tomorrow too. Once again.
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Speaker 6: You love that so so you won't have to ask, Hey,
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Speaker 6: who's you won't have to ask the receiver, hey, who's
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Speaker 6: covering you the best right now? Which, by the way,
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Speaker 6: I stole that question for like that a couple of
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Speaker 6: weeks ago because it was not a viewing we didn't
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Speaker 6: have a viewing period yet, and it was a Kyrie
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Speaker 6: Schulz they said, who's coverning your best right now? And
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Speaker 6: he said Scooby and then immediately said, I don't want
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Speaker 6: to say anything bad about anyone else, like everyone's doing good.
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Speaker 6: But he only said Scooby. All right, you'd expect, yeah,
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Speaker 6: you kind of expect the starting corner to be the
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Speaker 6: best one.
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Speaker 4: Also, also, the viewing period allows you to be asking
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Speaker 4: really annoying questions, so where you could be like, hey,
2:30:15
Speaker 4: I saw Scooby batted down that pass. Why'd you let
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Speaker 4: that happen? And then the players can get mad. So
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Speaker 4: it's perfect, It's excellent. The drive of Spence check ITTs
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Speaker 4: is coming up next, and Spence check Its is back.
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Speaker 3: It'll be Spence instead of porter Sarah Todd James.
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Speaker 6: Sarah, who did an incredible job, by the way, great
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Speaker 6: job Sarah filling in, and she said she was super
2:30:41
Speaker 6: nervous going in here.
2:30:44
Speaker 3: She said she had a great time.
2:30:45
Speaker 4: One problem that we had was one problem we had though,
2:30:49
Speaker 4: was that Sarah she shared some horrifically bad serial takes
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Speaker 4: and you can't do that.
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Speaker 5: You can't.
2:30:58
Speaker 4: That was my only grievance against Sarah hosting Spencer's here. Hi, Hello,
2:31:03
Speaker 4: how are you great? Welcome back? It's good to be back.
2:31:06
Speaker 10: You know this because you travel internationally as much, if
2:31:09
Speaker 10: not more, than anyone I know. Yeah, I always say
2:31:12
Speaker 10: the same thing. It's always good to leave, always feels
2:31:15
Speaker 10: really good to come back.
2:31:16
Speaker 5: So nice to come back.
2:31:17
Speaker 10: Yeah, Like you step off the plane in your home
2:31:19
Speaker 10: and you're like, Okay, that was fun, good experience.
2:31:21
Speaker 5: Glad I did it really Glad I'm home.
2:31:24
Speaker 10: Yeah, good to sleep in my bed, had a good time,
2:31:28
Speaker 10: play a lot of golf, laid on the beach, one
2:31:32
Speaker 10: of those things sounds awesome. Yeah, you're a huge golfer,
2:31:34
Speaker 10: we get it, Sean. Yeah, I'll tell you a random occurrence.
2:31:38
Speaker 10: Sitting watching one of the March Madness games. A couple
2:31:42
Speaker 10: is sitting next to me, strike up a conversation and
2:31:48
Speaker 10: the guy's wife is like, he went to get a drink.
2:31:51
Speaker 10: And the guy's wife is like, so, where are you from?
2:31:54
Speaker 10: Told her my hometown. She's like, oh, we're from Jersey,
2:31:56
Speaker 10: but we lived.
2:31:57
Speaker 5: In New York. He said.
2:31:58
Speaker 10: My husband was actually in television for a while. I
2:32:01
Speaker 10: was like, oh, oh really, Like yeah, he's semi retired
2:32:05
Speaker 10: now he's kind of making movies here or there. Turns
2:32:07
Speaker 10: out he's the head writer for Letterman for twenty five years.
2:32:10
Speaker 5: Oh no, big deal.
2:32:11
Speaker 10: Yeah, like in television, dabbled in TV for a while.
2:32:15
Speaker 10: He's a huge, like massive mogul, like big time guy.
2:32:19
Speaker 5: So I just sat there.
2:32:20
Speaker 10: He's actually gonna come on the show. Super nice, too cool.
2:32:23
Speaker 10: He just made a movie on Netflix, Paul Rudd. I
2:32:25
Speaker 10: don't know what it's called. I should, I should look
2:32:27
Speaker 10: it up. But I just sat there for like an
2:32:29
Speaker 10: hour asking him questions about David Letterman and working on
2:32:33
Speaker 10: that show. Dabbled in television now it turns out he
2:32:36
Speaker 10: was the head rider for twenty five years.
2:32:38
Speaker 9: Now.
2:32:39
Speaker 5: We used to watch Letterman. I was that was kind
2:32:43
Speaker 5: of my last. Well.
2:32:44
Speaker 10: I watched Conan for a little while after Conan's great,
2:32:47
Speaker 10: but Letterman over Leno every single day.
2:32:50
Speaker 4: I probably watched The Tonight Show with Jay Leno like
2:32:53
Speaker 4: four times in my entire life.
2:32:54
Speaker 5: Yeah. No, always a Letterman guy. But it was fun.
2:32:57
Speaker 5: Good to be back. Yeah, I hit the ground running
2:32:59
Speaker 5: back at it and here we go.
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Speaker 3: I have to tell you, Jeremy Renner came to the
2:33:06
Speaker 3: PFL fights this weekend Pittsburgh.
2:33:09
Speaker 5: That was very fun.
2:33:12
Speaker 3: I kept calling him Hawkeye and I'm sure he hated it.
2:33:15
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then uh, we saw Ryan Clark, we saw
2:33:19
Speaker 4: Joey Porter junior and senior. It was a fun, bloody
2:33:24
Speaker 4: affair in Pittsburgh. So if you didn't get a chance
2:33:26
Speaker 4: to check out the PFL fights over the weekend, you
2:33:29
Speaker 4: can find him online.
2:33:30
Speaker 8: Uh.
2:33:31
Speaker 4: I have to ask you the the very odd scenario
2:33:35
Speaker 4: that unfolded as Yukon is celebrating the buzzer beater and
2:33:41
Speaker 4: Dan Hurley goes forehead to forehead with a referee, Yeah,
2:33:45
Speaker 4: and then kind of stares him down and like, h
2:33:49
Speaker 4: it just I'm not trying to hot take myself here.
2:33:54
Speaker 4: Most of the time when I see something where a
2:33:56
Speaker 4: referee could step in and they don't, I'm good for
2:34:00
Speaker 4: the referee letting the game figure itself out here. It
2:34:04
Speaker 4: wasn't a player doing that where you would give like
2:34:07
Speaker 4: a college kid a little grace there. I still don't
2:34:09
Speaker 4: want you to call a tech at that point and
2:34:12
Speaker 4: have Duke win because of that. But also I'm like,
2:34:16
Speaker 4: how does this unfold? And you're obviously more of a
2:34:20
Speaker 4: basketball guy than myself, So when you saw it, what
2:34:24
Speaker 4: we thought, Well, let's start here. Dan Hurley is a lunatic. Yeah,
2:34:27
Speaker 4: I would start right there there stop period at the
2:34:30
Speaker 4: end of that sentence. So Seth Davis is reporting that
2:34:35
Speaker 4: that ref is a buddy of Dan Hurley's.
2:34:38
Speaker 3: Okay, that was my first instinct.
2:34:40
Speaker 4: Yeah, that, like, these guys know each other, and the
2:34:44
Speaker 4: ref as he's coming over, it gives him like the
2:34:47
Speaker 4: eyebrow raise. So I can't believe that just happened. Like
2:34:50
Speaker 4: we're not going to celebrate together. But that's the only
2:34:53
Speaker 4: way you get away with it.
2:34:54
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, And it's funny because if you didn't know
2:34:57
Speaker 10: any better, and when I first saw the clip, okay,
2:35:01
Speaker 10: you gotta do something with that.
2:35:02
Speaker 5: You can't do nothing at this stage of the game.
2:35:05
Speaker 5: I mean, what are you gonna do? Tell me you
2:35:06
Speaker 5: can't coach in the final four. So it's a weird thing.
2:35:09
Speaker 10: And a lot of these coaches and refs are actually friendly,
2:35:13
Speaker 10: so but it's hard to know. There's no website that
2:35:16
Speaker 10: tracks friendships with coaches and refs, so you don't know
2:35:19
Speaker 10: in real time, but often talks when Danny Hurley, according
2:35:24
Speaker 10: to Seth Davis, who is very plugged in in the
2:35:26
Speaker 10: world of college basketball, when Danny Hurley oftentimes is going
2:35:31
Speaker 10: at one of these refs, he knows them.
2:35:34
Speaker 5: They'll go out after the game and have a beer
2:35:36
Speaker 5: and have dinner.
2:35:37
Speaker 10: I mean, he still treats them like, you know, there
2:35:41
Speaker 10: are pieces of you know what, But Seth Davis is
2:35:45
Speaker 10: the one that's reporting that those two are like really
2:35:47
Speaker 10: good friends.
2:35:48
Speaker 4: Okay, so they go golfing together and hang out in
2:35:52
Speaker 4: Cabo or wherever you were, and then I guess, and
2:35:55
Speaker 4: then he headbuts him on national television every once in
2:35:58
Speaker 4: a while.
2:35:58
Speaker 10: Regardless of the level of friend still probably something you
2:36:01
Speaker 10: don't do.
2:36:03
Speaker 5: But yeah, there's the context.
2:36:04
Speaker 10: There still college basketball coaches like McK cronin, the UCLA coach,
2:36:12
Speaker 10: Are you okay that dude is unwell.
2:36:15
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, he's a psycho.
2:36:18
Speaker 4: And my favorite thing about mc cronin is, even when
2:36:21
Speaker 4: it goes well for his team and they win by
2:36:23
Speaker 4: like buzzer beater, his first thing his disposition dictates that
2:36:28
Speaker 4: he's got to sit down and be like these kids
2:36:30
Speaker 4: these days.
2:36:31
Speaker 10: Yeah, like like Danny Hurley is a lunatic, but I
2:36:34
Speaker 10: think I'd go to dinner with him, But Nick, I
2:36:38
Speaker 10: don't want to be in the same room as mc cronin,
2:36:40
Speaker 10: like with sharp objects. That dude is not well. There's
2:36:42
Speaker 10: something about some of these college coaches like man babies.
2:36:46
Speaker 10: Regulate yourself, act right, please do some breath work all right?
2:36:52
Speaker 4: The Drive with Spence Checkets is up next. Thanks for
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Speaker 4: listening to The Sean O'Connell Show. We'll do it again
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Speaker 4: tomorrow on ESPN seven ninety two one FM