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Speaker 1: He is the reform it.
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Speaker 2: Well, good evening and welcome to the Bolt Report. I'm
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Speaker 2: James Macpherson coming up tonight. Elon Musk takes on Australia's
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Speaker 2: e Safety Commissioner and wins. But why is a foreigner
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Speaker 2: having to fight for our freedom of speech? Rowan Dean
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Speaker 2: will join me later. Penny Wong says her time in
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Speaker 2: Washington has been constructive, but what she really achieved. Our
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Speaker 2: panel will try to come up with some positives is
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Speaker 2: public opinion on the trans issue. Finally turning, transgendered swimmer
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Speaker 2: Lea Thomas is stripped of female swimming titles, and just
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Speaker 2: when you thought you'd seen it all, CNN promotes an
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Speaker 2: app to help illegal migrants dodge law enforcement. Kosher Garda
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Speaker 2: will be with me shortly, but first, there's been a
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Speaker 2: lot of heartfelt chatter in Australia about reconciliationbal sounding term
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Speaker 2: which I always took to mean, you know, coming together,
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Speaker 2: but now apparently translates to invoices. Lots and lots of invoices.
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Speaker 2: Thanks to Australia's first ever Indigenous Truth Telling Inquiry, an
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Speaker 2: expensive guilt parade funded by the colonizers, we finally have
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Speaker 2: a clearer picture of what reconciliation actually means. The Yarrook
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Speaker 2: Justice Commission, which spent four years finding new and inventive
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Speaker 2: ways to blame the British for pretty much everything short
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Speaker 2: of Melbourne's weather, tabled its final report in the Victorian
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Speaker 2: Parliament late yesterday, making one hundred recommendations, or as Anthony
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Speaker 2: Albanezi would call them, generous and gracious requests. I'll go
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Speaker 2: through some of them for you in a moment, but
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Speaker 2: I want to give you some time to grab a tissue,
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Speaker 2: because seriously, these will make your eyes water while you're
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Speaker 2: bracing yourself for the recommendations. Let's start with the commission's
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Speaker 2: foundational thesis. Victoria was never discovered by the British, never settled,
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Speaker 2: and certainly never founded. No, according to the report, it
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Speaker 2: was illegally occupied. The report says, and by quote, the
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Speaker 2: taking of country and resources was violent, as first peoples
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Speaker 2: were displaced and massacred by European settlers that would be
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Speaker 2: your great great grandparents in the pursuit of Aboriginal people's
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Speaker 2: land and waters. Now. The report insists that two hundred
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Speaker 2: and thirty seven years after the British set foot on
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Speaker 2: these shores and un quoting again, the legacy of colonization
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Speaker 2: is still manifest in every aspect of life. And though
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Speaker 2: they're not referring to rhads, plumbing or electricity. Then the
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Speaker 2: report makes this claim quote all major political parties, whether
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Speaker 2: in government or in opposition, have perpetuated the compounded trauma
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Speaker 2: in justice and suffering of First peoples. All political parties,
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Speaker 2: even the Greens, who've got welcomed to country on speed dial.
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Speaker 2: But with that broad brush stroke of moral condemnation complete,
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Speaker 2: the report then launches into one hundred recommendation and so
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Speaker 2: ambitious even Santa Claus would have thought twice about drafting
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Speaker 2: this list. The most stunning recommendation to me is that
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Speaker 2: Indigenous tribes are to be treated as nations distinct from Australia,
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Speaker 2: not just separate culturally, but legally and diplomatically. The Victorian government,
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Speaker 2: the report insists, should now conduct relationships with Indigenous communities
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Speaker 2: on a nation to nation basis. Penny Wong is going
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Speaker 2: to have her work cut out for her. The report notes, quote,
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Speaker 2: sovereignty of First peoples in Victoria has never been seeded
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Speaker 2: and continues to exist. So their plan, as I understand it,
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Speaker 2: is to heal the nation by breaking it up into
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Speaker 2: smaller ones. Can't you just feel the reconciliation here? I
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Speaker 2: was thinking the goal was to bring us all together,
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Speaker 2: you know, Australians all let us rejoice for we are one,
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Speaker 2: they told us, and free. Instead, it means Indigenous Victorians
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Speaker 2: will be regarded and treated as completely separate to their neighbors,
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Speaker 2: as members of different nations, with different rights and with
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Speaker 2: an entirely different relationship to the Victorian government. Speaking of
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Speaker 2: which Victorian premier just sent to Allen was asked if
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Speaker 2: she thought the recommendations might be Oh, I don't know, divisive.
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Speaker 3: Look, I think the recommendations and indeed the findings I
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Speaker 3: do acknowledge, they are incredibly challenging. They're challenging because they
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Speaker 3: tell the truth. They tell the truth about how our
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Speaker 3: state was colonized, and that is that does make for
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Speaker 3: some tough reading. When you read about the violence, you
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Speaker 3: read about the massacres, you read about the decisions in
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Speaker 3: the past to forcibly remove children from their family, from
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Speaker 3: their loved ones, from their culture and their people. So
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Speaker 3: it is it is that many parts of the report
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Speaker 3: are challenging, and that is why the path that's why
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Speaker 3: it's been established to be part of that pathway to treaty.
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Speaker 2: Now, obviously a lot of what Jacinta Allen said there
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Speaker 2: is highly contested. But let's have a look at some
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Speaker 2: more challenging recommendations, the adoption of which the Victorian premier
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Speaker 2: is refusing to rule out. The report recommends that Indigenous
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Speaker 2: Victorians should be exempt from taxes, rates and charges relating
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Speaker 2: to water because, as the report notes, the resources belong
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Speaker 2: to them in the first place, which raises the obvious question,
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Speaker 2: if ownership precludes you from paying tax, why is no
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Speaker 2: one proposing homeowners be exempt from stamp duty? I digress.
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Speaker 2: Of course colonially tainted citizens will They'll still be paying tax.
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Speaker 2: But here's the twist. It's a beauty. A fixed portion
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Speaker 2: of non indigenous revenue would go directly into a self
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Speaker 2: determination fund for Indigenous Victorians, and there's no expiry or
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Speaker 2: time limit, a bit like Netflix subscriptions and government incompetence.
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Speaker 2: It's a financial forever tribute paid by non Indigenous people
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Speaker 2: to atone for the alleged crimes of their great great
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Speaker 2: great grandfathers. So much for closing the gap. Turns out
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Speaker 2: it's not a gap. To be closed. It's a direct
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Speaker 2: deposit in perpetuity. But the Yaruk commissioners, well they were
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Speaker 2: just warming up. If the Victorian government adopts their recommendations,
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Speaker 2: and you wouldn't put anything past the Victorian government, the
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Speaker 2: pay of senior public servants would not be tended to performance,
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Speaker 2: but to how successful they were at employing and promoting
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Speaker 2: Indigenous staff. Want to pay rise in the Victorian public service,
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Speaker 2: well you'd better start keeping a racial hiring ledger. And
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Speaker 2: the demands don't stop there. Churches are in the crosshairs.
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Speaker 2: Any land gifted by the government, sorry illegally transferred by
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Speaker 2: the colonizing state, should now be handed back. Logic here
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Speaker 2: seems to be what yours is ours, and what was
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Speaker 2: once ours must still be ours, even if we gave
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Speaker 2: it away and you built a school on it. And
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Speaker 2: then there's education. Now brace yourself for this one, because
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Speaker 2: it's a doozy. The commission recommends that Aboriginal children be
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Speaker 2: exempt from existing school attendance requirements, and in the event
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Speaker 2: that an Indigenous student does turn up for class, will
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Speaker 2: don't ever think about suspension or expulsion. Apparently, behavioral standards
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Speaker 2: will their colonial constructs Indigenous children would be subject to
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Speaker 2: different behavioral standards. By the time we get to the
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Speaker 2: comparatively tamed demand that Victorian maps and signage reflect traditional
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Speaker 2: Indigenous names. Will it almost feels like a reasonable ask,
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Speaker 2: you know, in comparison to nationhood and tax immunity.
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Speaker 1: There are, of.
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Speaker 2: Course many more recommendations, one hundred in total. Mandated quotas
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Speaker 2: of Indigenous people on company and government boards, the establishment
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Speaker 2: of an Indigenous fire authority, recognizing waterways as living entities.
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Speaker 2: But who would speak for a living lake or a
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Speaker 2: living river? Will Indigenous people understand them, of course, and
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Speaker 2: they would speak on their behalf. And Victorian universities will
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Speaker 2: they need to recognize and compensate Indigenous staff for the
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Speaker 2: additional colonial load they bear. I have no idea what
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Speaker 2: that means, and I don't think just to Alan would
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Speaker 2: know what that means. Either on and on it goes.
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Speaker 2: But to summarize, reconciliation now involves permanent tax free status,
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Speaker 2: endless reparations, diplomatic independence, separate rules for schooling, a financial
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Speaker 2: tithe from the general population, and a forced ecclesiastical garage sale.
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Speaker 2: I haven't even mentioned the Indigenous voice to Parliament that
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Speaker 2: just to allan is determined despite a majority of people
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Speaker 2: voting against it less than two years ago, to foist
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Speaker 2: upon Victorians is the Premier having said she wants to
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Speaker 2: establish a voice, now saying the Rook Commission recommendations will
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Speaker 2: help inform a treaty, none of which Victorians ever voted for.
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Speaker 3: The receipt of the Royal Commission the Justice. Your Rook
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Speaker 3: Commission's report is part of that negotiation work, the pathway
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Speaker 3: to treat that we are now on as a state.
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Speaker 3: The government will take time to consider the depth of
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Speaker 3: the recommendations and I'm just not going to rule things
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Speaker 3: in or out through a press conference.
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Speaker 2: For her part, the Victorian Premier says her government shares
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Speaker 2: the Justice Commission's goals of truth and justice. I think
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Speaker 2: everyone would support truth and justice. The problem is how
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Speaker 2: the Victorian Premier, who can't say what a woman is,
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Speaker 2: defines truth. And as for justice, well, I'm not so
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Speaker 2: sure the majority of Victorians will find the Commission's recommendations
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Speaker 2: particularly just. They read less like a plea for justice
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Speaker 2: than like a shopping list drawn up by opportunists holding
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Speaker 2: someone else's credit card. But at least we now know
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Speaker 2: what reconciliation means less are coming together, more a constitutional divorce,
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Speaker 2: less unity, more tax redistribution, less about living as one,
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Speaker 2: more about creating parallel systems with separate rules, rights and
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Speaker 2: bank accounts. Sent to Allen handed indigenous activists a blank
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Speaker 2: check and a pen, and now they've come to collect.
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Speaker 1: She says.
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Speaker 2: The report lays the foundation for a better future for
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Speaker 2: all Victorians. There's no way she can believe that let
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Speaker 2: alone go along with any of it, let alone implement
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Speaker 2: the recommendations and expect to be re elected. But then again,
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Speaker 2: we are talking about Victoria.
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Speaker 1: Well.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now is former New South Wales Labour Treasurer
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Speaker 2: Michael Costa and former Labor Secretary Cameron Milner. Michael, these
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Speaker 2: recommendations read like a conqueror making demands of the people.
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Speaker 2: It's defeated, rather than as I don't know the starting
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Speaker 2: point for discussions between an elected government and about one
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Speaker 2: percent of its citizenry.
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Speaker 4: James, that's true, But I want to thank over Victorian government.
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Speaker 5: They've basically provided a very clear example for the rest
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Speaker 5: of Australia of what the consequences for going down the
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Speaker 5: path that they have gone down will be for the
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Speaker 5: rest of the country. I mean, despite the fact that
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Speaker 5: the voice went down by majority. You see this sort
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Speaker 5: of nonsense. What I find really staggering about all of
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Speaker 5: this stuff is you know the definition of truth. I mean,
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Speaker 5: we know and you you know this yourself, James. I mean,
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Speaker 5: there was an escape convict what was his name, William Buckley,
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Speaker 5: that spent thirty two years before colonization in living with
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Speaker 5: Aboriginal tribes and he describes the sort of violence between
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Speaker 5: the different clans, the barbarity. I mean, this sort of
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Speaker 5: nation there was some sort of noble savage and everybody
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Speaker 5: got on with everybody prior to colonizations.
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Speaker 4: Nonsense.
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Speaker 5: If you were a were to set up these nations,
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Speaker 5: you'd have to set up a United Nations to send
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Speaker 5: an arbitrate between the various clans. If you're talking about
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Speaker 5: coming to pre colonial period, it's an absolute nonsense. What
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Speaker 5: I find particularly offensive as somebody that comes from a
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Speaker 5: region that did experience genocide, that's the Greek Armenian genocide,
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Speaker 5: is the way this word genocide is thrown around without.
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Speaker 4: Any real meaning.
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Speaker 5: The original term has been debased. I mean, there is
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Speaker 5: no document that proves there was a systematic government policy
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Speaker 5: of extermination of Aborigines. What there was was certainly violence
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Speaker 5: and conflict and on both sides, and the consequences of
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Speaker 5: that are to be abhoord and you know we all
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Speaker 5: want to move away from that to have a better
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Speaker 5: future for all Australians, be they from a migrant background,
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Speaker 5: a colonial background, or an indigenous background.
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Speaker 4: It's an absolute nonsense. But she's done us a favor.
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Speaker 2: Well, Cameron. This report represents, I think, something of a
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Speaker 2: problem for the Victorian premier. I mean she's championed this
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Speaker 2: truth telling inquiry, but how can she possibly implement its recommendations.
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Speaker 2: You heard me go through some of the more controversial ones.
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Speaker 2: There's no way she could implement those and expect to
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Speaker 2: be re elected surely.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's right.
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Speaker 6: I mean this is a fantasy land wish list from
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Speaker 6: people living in a parallel universe. I mean, this is
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Speaker 6: not rooted in reality. And that's the problem with this.
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Speaker 6: I mean, it's all very well to give people the
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Speaker 6: keys to the kingdom and hope that everything comes good.
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Speaker 6: But this report, in terms of being the truth telling
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Speaker 6: imagine if Albow had actually been able to implement Ularu's
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Speaker 6: statement from the heart nationally, because that's what his policy was.
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Speaker 6: He was going to ram through the elbow voice. Then
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Speaker 6: he was going to have a national commission just like this,
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Speaker 6: a national truth telling commission, and then a national treaty.
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Speaker 6: And let's not forget that this truth telling Commission in
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Speaker 6: Victoria is supposed to lead to a treaty now as well.
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Speaker 1: So, James, I mean, that's the dilemma.
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Speaker 6: This sets back reconciliation, This sets back reasonless in terms
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Speaker 6: of the community and says to people that we can't
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Speaker 6: get to close the gap.
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Speaker 1: And that's the real shame to a report like this.
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Speaker 6: I mean, they shoot for the stars and they miss
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Speaker 6: the ground. I mean, this is the problem, James, with
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Speaker 6: a report like this, and unfortunately it will be rightly
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Speaker 6: attacked as being unrealistic and on the edge of reality.
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Speaker 6: And that's a problem for reconciliation in this country.
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Speaker 2: Well, let me pick up just one point out of
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Speaker 2: that and go to you, Michael. If the Victorian Premier,
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Speaker 2: as I expect, says, look, we can't possibly fulfill all
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Speaker 2: one hundred of these recommendations. Many of them we just
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Speaker 2: cannot do. They're not feasible. Aside from having already upset
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Speaker 2: non Indigenous people with this ridiculous list of demands. Does
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Speaker 2: she not then run the risk of creating more division
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Speaker 2: with Indigenous people who've been sold this is truth, this
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Speaker 2: is what you deserve, this is what is right and
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Speaker 2: just and fair. When she doesn't come good with it,
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Speaker 2: how are Indigenous people left feeling?
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Speaker 4: Well, we know she can't come good with it. I mean, look,
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Speaker 4: you're talking about a bankrupted state for a start.
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Speaker 5: I mean, there are not resources to do what she's
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Speaker 5: talking about. I mean, apart from anything else. Look, the
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Speaker 5: bottom line is what you'll do is do a political
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Speaker 5: you know fix. They'll take the easy parts, you know,
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Speaker 5: the sort of verbal stuff, the changing of the street
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Speaker 5: names and all that sort of stuff or place names,
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Speaker 5: do all that sort of stuff and shove everything off
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Speaker 5: the different committees for the discussion, and then come up
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Speaker 5: with some sort of treaty that's full of motherhood statements
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Speaker 5: that are just meaningless, and then waste some money in
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Speaker 5: the process, money that they'll have to borrow.
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Speaker 2: Michael, that was spoken exactly like someone who understands how
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Speaker 2: the political system works. That's why we have you on
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Speaker 2: this program. Let's go to other news. Foreign Minister Penny
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Speaker 2: Wong has met with US Secretary of State Marco Rubio
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Speaker 2: in Washington. She says it was a productive meeting.
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Speaker 7: Have Look, the United States is Australia's closest ally and
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Speaker 7: most important strategic partner, and our alliance contributes to the
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Speaker 7: peace and stability of.
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Speaker 8: Our region, and that was the focus of our meeting.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Great, but Orcus is still under review, the threat of
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Speaker 2: tariffs on Australian goods remains, and Anthony Albanezi he still
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Speaker 2: doesn't have a meeting with Donald Trump, So Cameron. Other
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Speaker 2: than unresolved defense partnerships, looming economic penalties and a total
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Speaker 2: snub from the leader of the free world, Pennywong's trip
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Speaker 2: was a raging success.
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Speaker 1: In Penny's own words, exactly.
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Speaker 6: Look, I mean Penny should own up that under albow,
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Speaker 6: Australia wants to be a freeloader, a freeloader on national defense.
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Speaker 6: They want the US to do it all and for
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Speaker 6: us to sit back. I mean she was going to
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Speaker 6: apparently explain the federal budget and our deficits, which are
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Speaker 6: all the choice of labor anyway, but no, the reality
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Speaker 6: is that we don't do enough as an ally, we
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Speaker 6: don't do enough as a nation. Israel we spend sixty
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Speaker 6: eight percent more in real dollars than Israel does. And
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Speaker 6: look at Israel's defense force versus Australia's defense force. We
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Speaker 6: spend too much on bureaucrats in Canberra and not enough
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Speaker 6: on bombers, too much on pen pushes, not enough on patriots.
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Speaker 6: That's the reality, and the US are calling us on that,
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Speaker 6: and so of the rest of the allies. So's NATO
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Speaker 6: and so's the UK. It's about time we stop freeloading, James.
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Speaker 2: So, Michael, there was some talk among members of the
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Speaker 2: QUAD about working together to ensure access to critical minerals.
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Speaker 2: Let's try and find a positive. Is that important for Australia.
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Speaker 4: I think that's very important.
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Speaker 5: I think it's one of our bargaining chips in the
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Speaker 5: discussions that Alba will have with Trump. But look, I'm
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Speaker 5: going to take a slightly different view, and I obviously
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Speaker 5: share her analysis the competence of the Foreign Minister. But
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Speaker 5: I think it was a success because in this world
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Speaker 5: of violationism, at least they're talking about QUAD. You know,
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Speaker 5: to me, that's a very small step, but at least
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Speaker 5: it's a poverty they actually got together. I mean, I'm
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Speaker 5: very frightened about what's likely to happen in terms of
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Speaker 5: all of our alliances with the US, given our unwillingness
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Speaker 5: to come up with the goods in terms of defense spending.
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Speaker 4: So in one sense it was a success that they spoke.
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Speaker 2: Well, there you go. We've come up with a positive
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Speaker 2: for Penny warm Well done men. The federal election was
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Speaker 2: held two months ago, but the Liberals have still not
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Speaker 2: conceded the seat of Bradfield. Now, the Liberals won the
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Speaker 2: seat by eight votes, then they lost it to a
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Speaker 2: Teal by twenty six votes on a recount. Now they're
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Speaker 2: trying to weigh up what to do because it'll cost
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Speaker 2: them around two hundred and fifty thousand dollars if they
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Speaker 2: chill to the result in court and lose, and even
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Speaker 2: if they succeed in having a court order to a
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Speaker 2: fresh election where there's a danger they may be punished
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Speaker 2: at the ballot box by voters annoy having to vote
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Speaker 2: all over again. So Michael, what do they do? Do
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Speaker 2: they roll the dice, I mean, there's so few votes
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Speaker 2: in it, or do they cut their losses. I think
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Speaker 2: they've held this seat for some of like seventy five years,
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Speaker 2: so it's hurt a lot to give it up, but
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Speaker 2: is it worth the risk in court?
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Speaker 4: Look, they cut their losses.
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Speaker 5: You know, the history on these things is when you
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Speaker 5: do these challenges, you lose by a larger margin then
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Speaker 5: because people are you inconvenienced people and to get very angry.
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Speaker 4: So I wouldn't be seeking a recount on this. It's
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Speaker 4: going to make no difference to the numbers in the Parliament.
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Speaker 5: And the reality is that I think they've got I
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Speaker 5: hope in hill of actually winning the seat. So they
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Speaker 5: ort to concede and just get on with trying to
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Speaker 5: rebuild what is a very ragtag opposition and is becoming
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Speaker 5: very clear that it's not in the game for the
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Speaker 5: next election for the one after.
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Speaker 2: You know, they could have had Warren Undine running in
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Speaker 2: that seat. I wonder whether the Liberals to this day
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Speaker 2: threw the decision to spurn him. I want to talk
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Speaker 2: about superannuation quickly. Could the government reconsider their plan to
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Speaker 2: tax superannuation balances over three million dollars. Former Labor leader
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Speaker 2: Paul Keating has slammed the idea, pointing out that the
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Speaker 2: tax will apply to most young Australians by the time
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Speaker 2: they retire and ACTU boss salemic Manus has described the
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Speaker 2: most criticized the government, saying the tax should be indexed
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Speaker 2: to avoid capturing the majority of Australians in the future.
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Speaker 2: Here's Employment Minister Amanda Rishworth having her say in.
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Speaker 7: Terms of the superannuation proposals that we have put forward
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Speaker 7: around people with very very large balances of three million dollars.
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Speaker 7: Of course, we listen to different views and we listen
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Speaker 7: to Paul Keating respectfully as we do others.
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Speaker 2: Translation, we hear you, Paul Keating and Salimic Madison, we
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Speaker 2: plan to politely ignore you. Have I got that right, Cameron?
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Speaker 6: Oh look, I think the sands are shifting here. I
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Speaker 6: mean there was a lot less noise before the election
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Speaker 6: and even a few weeks after. But he now got
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Speaker 6: Kelty who is an amazing voice on superhmotion Keating and
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Speaker 6: Sally McManus is a current AC to President Secretary.
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Speaker 1: I should say I think.
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Speaker 6: The reality will dawn on charmers that you can have
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Speaker 6: the revenue now without blowing up the supersystem, because some
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Speaker 6: of the things that are being suggested now that we
20:26
Speaker 6: know the detail of it, actually really fray at the
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Speaker 6: edges the trust that voters put in the superherotionan system
20:31
Speaker 6: if the current labor proposal stays as is.
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Speaker 2: Michael Cameron really appreciate you joining me tonight, Thanks so much.
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Speaker 2: Well stick around. Coming up after the break, Elon Musk
20:42
Speaker 2: takes on Australia's e Safety Commissioner and wins. But why
20:46
Speaker 2: is a foreigner having to fight for our freedom of speech?
20:49
Speaker 2: And the BBC is in more trouble over that anti
20:51
Speaker 2: Semitic music Festival performance. Rowan Dean will join me in
20:55
Speaker 2: just a moment back to the program will. BBC Director
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Speaker 2: General Tim Davey is desperately trying to hold onto his
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Speaker 2: job this week. And not because he lets songs of
21:07
Speaker 2: praise run over time. No, Davy is in strife because
21:11
Speaker 2: he allowed a Glastonbury Music Festival performance featuring an anti
21:14
Speaker 2: israel rant complete with chance to kill Israeli soldiers, go
21:19
Speaker 2: live to airf.
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Speaker 9: Theft to the IDFF, IDFF, the IDFF.
21:29
Speaker 2: The IDF. So where was Tim Davy when all of
21:35
Speaker 2: this went down? Well, it turns out the BBC boss
21:38
Speaker 2: was watching it live, not on a screen, but in
21:41
Speaker 2: the crowd, which makes his decision to allow the footage
21:44
Speaker 2: to sit online for five hours even stranger. He was there,
21:48
Speaker 2: he knew how bad it was. The UK Telegraph reports
21:52
Speaker 2: that Cultural Secretary Lisa Nandy rang Davy immediately after the
21:56
Speaker 2: performance to ask the obvious what the hell were you thinking?
21:59
Speaker 2: Or words to that effect, But the BBC, in true
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Speaker 2: public service fashion, took until Monday to even acknowledge the scandal.
22:07
Speaker 2: Sky News host Rowan Dean joins me. Now, Rowan, thanks
22:10
Speaker 2: for coming on tonight. The BBC boss believes he can
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Speaker 2: and should keep his job.
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Speaker 10: What do you think great to be with you, James, Yeah,
22:20
Speaker 10: this is hilarious because it's the same playbook.
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Speaker 8: The ABC here always use. You know, they deny first
22:26
Speaker 8: of all, line and there's no problem.
22:27
Speaker 10: Then they sort of deflect, and then they come up
22:30
Speaker 10: with other excuses and then they pushed away, hoping the
22:33
Speaker 10: story will go away. But let's be really clear here, James,
22:37
Speaker 10: that character, that repulsive Bob Villain. I mean, what an
22:41
Speaker 10: insult to the great name of Bob Dylan that this
22:43
Speaker 10: creep tries to co opt his name.
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Speaker 8: But any know, that's a different story.
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Speaker 1: This Bob Villain.
22:47
Speaker 8: Character is yelling death to the IDF.
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Speaker 10: Now that's not death to you know, some abstract military
22:54
Speaker 10: machine or whatever. This is death to boys and girls, teenagers,
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Speaker 10: young men and women who join the military through conscription.
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Speaker 8: In Israel, everyone has to compulsory spend some time in
23:07
Speaker 8: the army.
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Speaker 10: So you're talking about young men, young women serving their country.
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Speaker 10: This bloke is calling for them to be killed directly.
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Speaker 8: On top of.
23:17
Speaker 10: That, he's calling for the death of the people that
23:20
Speaker 10: those people in the idea.
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Speaker 8: Of are defending every day. Please, babies, kids and so
23:29
Speaker 8: on in Israel.
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Speaker 10: So this bloke calling for mass murder, instigating.
23:40
Speaker 8: As murders, you're.
23:44
Speaker 10: Incentive to violence, incentive to kill, incentive to murder as
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Speaker 10: grotesquely as you can imagine it being.
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Speaker 1: So this is so serious.
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Speaker 10: Yet this clown, the head of the BBC, is sitting
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Speaker 10: there in the crowd, possibly even cheering along.
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Speaker 1: Who knows.
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Speaker 10: Maybe he was just waving a flag, or maybe he
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Speaker 10: was sitting there eating popcorn, who knows. But what will
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Speaker 10: happen James is that he will do nothing until the
24:07
Speaker 10: political pressure gets so great, but he'll probably still avoid
24:11
Speaker 10: stepping down.
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Speaker 8: He might have to step down. There's a lot of
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Speaker 8: anger about this in Britain.
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Speaker 10: But the other thing which this puts pressure on, of course,
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Speaker 10: James is the BBC license fee. So unlike here in Australia,
24:21
Speaker 10: in Britain you pay a compulsory license of some three
24:25
Speaker 10: or four hundred bucks a year. Everybody who owns a
24:27
Speaker 10: television set has to pay it. And they have vans
24:30
Speaker 10: driving around monitoring signals from houses and they break down
24:33
Speaker 10: the door or not quite but to demand that you
24:36
Speaker 10: pay your money for your TV license. And a lot
24:38
Speaker 10: of people object to this quite rightly, so this will
24:40
Speaker 10: put pressure more pressure on people saying we've had enough
24:43
Speaker 10: of this. We do not want to be paying our
24:44
Speaker 10: BBC license. By the way, James, the BBC is a
24:48
Speaker 10: five million pounds a year business.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely incredible. I can't believe he would be able to
24:55
Speaker 2: keep his job after that Debarcle. I want to talk
24:58
Speaker 2: to you about Elon Musk because he's defeated the Australia's e
25:01
Speaker 2: Safety Commissioner in a legal stousho over a tweet that
25:04
Speaker 2: suggested a transactivist belonged in a mental ward. The remark
25:08
Speaker 2: might have been impolite, but we now know it wasn't
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Speaker 2: illegal to say that. Julie in Man Grant, our nation's
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Speaker 2: self appointed guardian of online feelings, demanded the post be
25:18
Speaker 2: scrubbed from the Internet, but muskelled his ground and the
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Speaker 2: Administrative Review Tribunal agreed the tweet did not constitute cyber abuse,
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Speaker 2: so it can stay online. So Rowan, here's my thing
25:30
Speaker 2: with this, right, the only sour note. It's a good
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Speaker 2: news story. But the sour note is it's taken a
25:35
Speaker 2: foreigner rather than say, oh, I don't know a liberal
25:39
Speaker 2: politician in this country to stand up to our censorous government.
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Speaker 10: You're one hundred percent correct, James. And it's not just
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Speaker 10: one foreigner, it's two foreigners. Chris Elson, the billboard, Chris
25:52
Speaker 10: as viewers know, and he'll be on Outsiders on Sunday morning.
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Speaker 10: Chris is the blow COO instigated all this, and simply
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Speaker 10: by pointing out that Australia was sending to the World
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Speaker 10: Health Organization, presumably on a fairly hefty salary, as an
26:07
Speaker 10: envoy on transgenderism, a character who well, let's say that,
26:13
Speaker 10: according to Chris Elson, not really the most savory character
26:16
Speaker 10: to be representing Australia. That's what the court case was
26:20
Speaker 10: all about. That's why Julian Marnngrant censored the tweet, and
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Speaker 10: Chris fought it and has fought it successfully. So here
26:28
Speaker 10: you have James, you have not only two foreigners, Elon
26:31
Speaker 10: Musk and Billboard Chris fighting for Australia's freedom of speech.
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Speaker 10: You have another foreigner, the American Julian marn Grant, despite
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Speaker 10: the fact that she was born in the land of
26:41
Speaker 10: the First Amendment, seems to be quite happy not to
26:44
Speaker 10: apply the values of the First Amendment to Australians. She
26:48
Speaker 10: even went so far as to saying, well, the First
26:50
Speaker 10: Amendment doesn't exist in Australia, so she's quite happy to
26:53
Speaker 10: censor it with that knowledge. This is so pathetic that,
26:58
Speaker 10: as you say, James, Australia's political figures on the right
27:02
Speaker 10: have let this go through.
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Speaker 8: Not only let this go through, they supported it.
27:05
Speaker 10: Malcolm Turnbull, Morrison, Peter Dutton all supported this. Julian Mangrant,
27:11
Speaker 10: this Ease Safety Commissioner. They praised her, they chose her,
27:16
Speaker 10: and then they supported her.
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Speaker 8: All Albanizi has done is run along the same path.
27:20
Speaker 8: And this is why the Liberal.
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Speaker 10: Party is in such dire straits now. If the Liberal
27:25
Speaker 10: Party cannot understand the most fundamental precept of conservative slash right.
27:32
Speaker 10: When slash liberals slash libertarian, whatever you want to call
27:36
Speaker 10: it politics, the right to free speech and the importance
27:40
Speaker 10: of parents having a say, not governments run and telling
27:42
Speaker 10: you what to.
27:43
Speaker 8: Think and believe.
27:44
Speaker 10: If the Liberals can't even get that into their skulls,
27:48
Speaker 10: then I'm afraid there's not much hope for them.
27:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're absolutely right.
27:53
Speaker 11: All right.
27:53
Speaker 2: I want to talk to you about one more issue
27:55
Speaker 2: back in the UK, and I just think this story
27:57
Speaker 2: is hilarious. The UK government's website. They've changed their logo.
28:03
Speaker 2: They've spent five hundred thousand pounds redesigning the logo and
28:07
Speaker 2: I'll show you what they got for it. They've moved
28:09
Speaker 2: the dot in guv dot UK from its position at
28:12
Speaker 2: the bottom of the letters to halfway between them. But Rowan,
28:16
Speaker 2: that's not the craziest part of it. They've written a
28:18
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty page document explaining the reason they've
28:23
Speaker 2: repositioned the dot. Just when you thought Australian bureaucracy was bad,
28:28
Speaker 2: what do you make of that?
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Speaker 10: Well, James, you're right to laugh at it, but I
28:34
Speaker 10: think it's about time that the humble Dot got elevated
28:37
Speaker 10: in the world. I think the Dot for too long
28:40
Speaker 10: has been left at the bottom of the line. You know, ignored,
28:43
Speaker 10: you've got underscoring over the hyphen. You know, there's all
28:46
Speaker 10: sorts of things the hyphen can do. But the old
28:48
Speaker 10: dot is just the dot.
28:49
Speaker 8: Not any longer. Now the dot has got that little
28:52
Speaker 8: bit can hold its head high and walk around and
28:54
Speaker 8: look at me. I'm in the middle there.
28:55
Speaker 12: Now.
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Speaker 10: The trouble is, James, The trouble here is that there
28:59
Speaker 10: will be a lot of people, namely like myself, who
29:02
Speaker 10: struggled with the intricacies of the Internet.
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Speaker 8: And will now assume that there must be a higher.
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Speaker 10: Dot somewhere else that I should be pressing when I
29:10
Speaker 10: do gov dot UK. So there will be all these
29:13
Speaker 10: elderly people, these pensioners and so on who are sitting
29:16
Speaker 10: around completely confused now about how to put their dot
29:20
Speaker 10: into their gov dot UK. But James, here's the kicker.
29:23
Speaker 10: You mentioned the cost of this thing. Well, this is
29:27
Speaker 10: all part of.
29:27
Speaker 8: A seven hundred and fifty thousand pound campaign or what
29:35
Speaker 8: do you call it?
29:36
Speaker 10: Account that SARChI Morris and Charles SARChI M and C.
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Speaker 8: SARChI, the great advertising duo. They won this account. They
29:45
Speaker 8: moved the dot up. But these are the same team.
29:48
Speaker 10: Who were responsible for the most brilliant political campaign ever,
29:52
Speaker 10: which was of course labor isn't working, which got Margaret
29:55
Speaker 10: Thatcher elected.
29:56
Speaker 8: These were the.
29:58
Speaker 10: Morris and Charles were absolute political geniuses, and Margaret that
30:01
Speaker 10: She used to look to them for advice. So I
30:03
Speaker 10: can't help thinking, you know, they were responsible for in
30:06
Speaker 10: many ways, for much of her success. I can't help
30:09
Speaker 10: thinking maybe they were taking the mickey a little bit
30:12
Speaker 10: when they thought, oh, hang on, let's take this account,
30:14
Speaker 10: this government account, let's move the dot up, and let's
30:17
Speaker 10: take it nice, healthy seven hundred and fifty pounds. While
30:20
Speaker 10: we're at it.
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what someone's taking the mickey, that's for sure,
30:25
Speaker 2: Rowan Dean. It's always a delight to speak to you,
30:28
Speaker 2: and of course viewers can see you on the World
30:29
Speaker 2: According to Rowan Dean Friday Night and on Outsiders Sunday Morning,
30:33
Speaker 2: thanks so much for your time tonight.
30:35
Speaker 1: Well.
30:36
Speaker 2: Coming up after the break is public opinion on the
30:38
Speaker 2: trans issue. Finally turning transgendered swimmer Leah Thomas is stripped
30:42
Speaker 2: of female swimming titles and shocking revelations that some New
30:46
Speaker 2: South Wales sex offenders have had their bands on working
30:50
Speaker 2: with children overturned. My panel will join me in a moment,
30:58
Speaker 2: welcome back to the program. Well, it's one of the
31:00
Speaker 2: most horrific cases of alleged child abuse this nation has
31:04
Speaker 2: ever seen. A Melbourne childcare worker charged this week with
31:07
Speaker 2: more than seventy offenses, including rape and producing child abuse material.
31:12
Speaker 2: Parents of more than one thousand children have been advised
31:15
Speaker 2: to get them tested for sexually transmitted diseases as police
31:19
Speaker 2: try to ascertain just how many children they believe have
31:23
Speaker 2: been preyed upon. As if that case was not bad enough,
31:27
Speaker 2: news today that around two dozen sex offenders and criminals
31:30
Speaker 2: in New South Wales have been given the all clear
31:33
Speaker 2: to work with children after appealing bands through the New
31:37
Speaker 2: South Wales Civil and Administrative Tribunal. Among them a man
31:42
Speaker 2: convicted and jailed for perpetrating a sex act on a
31:44
Speaker 2: woman on a train, a male teacher charged with allegedly
31:48
Speaker 2: using a sex toy on a child in his care,
31:51
Speaker 2: and a man alleged to have used a horsewhip on
31:53
Speaker 2: a child. Reasons given for the tribunal green lighting these
31:57
Speaker 2: people to work with children despite previous convictions include mental
32:02
Speaker 2: health evaluations and the passage of time since their last offense.
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Speaker 2: PR Council Managing director, Christy McSweeney and Jemma Tognini FROMGT
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Speaker 2: Communications all the way from Italy join me now, Jemma,
32:16
Speaker 2: nice to have you joining us from Italy. If your
32:19
Speaker 2: child was being cared for by someone who had had
32:22
Speaker 2: a working with children ban overturned, you'd want to know
32:27
Speaker 2: as a parent, wouldn't you.
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Speaker 11: I mean absolutely, James. The first thing about it is disclosure.
32:32
Speaker 11: Do these parents know have they been told? If they have,
32:36
Speaker 11: what have they been told? And to your earlier point
32:39
Speaker 11: about the reasons for these things being overturned, passage of
32:43
Speaker 11: time etc. Mental health evaluations, I'm sorry they don't wash
32:47
Speaker 11: and I'm not even a parent.
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Speaker 13: Sadly for me it didn't work out that way.
32:51
Speaker 11: But I don't think any Australian would accept that those
32:54
Speaker 11: are reasons to overturn these things. If a person has
32:58
Speaker 11: a conviction for any of the things that you have
33:00
Speaker 11: referenced in your editorial just now, that is a that
33:04
Speaker 11: is a blanket ban, that's a look.
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Speaker 13: We're very sorry.
33:06
Speaker 11: I'm actually not sorry, to be honest, that they're not
33:08
Speaker 11: allowed to work with children. They shouldn't be allowed to
33:10
Speaker 11: work with children, and no passage of time should be
33:13
Speaker 11: able to change that this is a serious, serious situation
33:17
Speaker 11: that needs to be further investigated. And I'm actually shocked
33:22
Speaker 11: that these things are sort of bubbling away under the dark,
33:26
Speaker 11: if you like. And this horrific case in Victoria has
33:30
Speaker 11: been the impetus for actually understanding what the situation is.
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Speaker 2: Christi, the New South Wales premiere, to Jemma's points, says
33:38
Speaker 2: he will legislate to ensure once banned from working with children,
33:42
Speaker 2: you can never appeal it. Good move. I know there's
33:45
Speaker 2: natural justice, but some things that should just be that's it.
33:50
Speaker 14: Oh, I agree with you. And why has it taken
33:53
Speaker 14: this long? Why is now they're not a uniform federal
33:57
Speaker 14: law under coal wag Premiers Council whatever we call the
34:03
Speaker 14: federal meeting of state and federal governments these days. Who knows.
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Speaker 8: I can't keep up.
34:08
Speaker 14: But why hasn't that been at the top of agenda
34:10
Speaker 14: for some time? How has nobody thought of that till now?
34:15
Speaker 14: And if you look at files of child and sexual
34:20
Speaker 14: offenders against children and against women and parole files in
34:24
Speaker 14: state justice departments, they are full of people who get
34:29
Speaker 14: out on bail, or who get out permanently, and or
34:32
Speaker 14: who have their sentences reduced and reoffend. If you speak
34:36
Speaker 14: to anybody who works in psychology in child sexual abuse
34:42
Speaker 14: and people who perpetrate these crimes, there is a very
34:46
Speaker 14: small percentage of these people that never reoffend, and a
34:49
Speaker 14: very small percentage of these people that never want to reoffend.
34:54
Speaker 14: It is overwhelming. Evidence lies within our state justice departments,
34:59
Speaker 14: parole files cases for bail, and child and sexual abuse
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Speaker 14: Department of Children's Services in every single state jurisdiction. Why
35:09
Speaker 14: there has never been a federal law or a state
35:12
Speaker 14: and federal agreement preventing people from working with children once
35:16
Speaker 14: have been convicted of a crime of perpetrating crimes against children.
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Speaker 13: I don't know.
35:21
Speaker 14: It is absolutely disgraceful to most Australians.
35:26
Speaker 2: Now this loophole has come to public attention. Chris Mins,
35:29
Speaker 2: as I said, promises to legislate to close that, and
35:33
Speaker 2: it behooves him to do that immediately. I want to
35:36
Speaker 2: talk about Quantus because they have said six million customers
35:40
Speaker 2: may be impacted by a data breach, names, emails, phone
35:44
Speaker 2: numbers and frequent flyer numbers hacked. Quantus has apologized Gemma
35:50
Speaker 2: apologies are cheaper than cybersecurity, I guess and judging by
35:53
Speaker 2: recent history, far more frequent.
35:57
Speaker 11: Well, look, I'm very I'm always very happy to give
36:01
Speaker 11: Quantus a belt around when it needs it as a
36:04
Speaker 11: frequent flyer. But we know that these sorts of cyber
36:07
Speaker 11: attacks are growing in frequency and growing in sophistication. It
36:11
Speaker 11: is literally, you know, I forget exactly the statistic, James,
36:15
Speaker 11: but it is. It is, you know, in the thousands,
36:18
Speaker 11: every sort of minute of attacks to sort of try
36:22
Speaker 11: to breach companies of the nature of Quantus, So I
36:25
Speaker 11: have some empathy for them. I imagine they would be
36:28
Speaker 11: spending an absolute fortune on cybersecurity.
36:31
Speaker 13: It's unfortunately a part of modern business life.
36:36
Speaker 11: That being said, if these tackers want to help me
36:38
Speaker 11: get access to frequent flyer points sets, I'd be very
36:40
Speaker 11: happy about it.
36:41
Speaker 2: Frankly, well, apparently passwords for frequent flyer accounts were not
36:48
Speaker 2: made public, so but Quantus are advising just double check
36:52
Speaker 2: your Quantus frequent flyer points anyway, and if you want
36:55
Speaker 2: to throw any mind way, Gemma, I would be very appreciative,
36:59
Speaker 2: Christine of Quantus, though this is probably the last thing
37:02
Speaker 2: they need right now. I mean, they've had numbers of
37:05
Speaker 2: scandals and problems just when they were starting to get
37:08
Speaker 2: some momentum back, they get hit with this.
37:13
Speaker 14: Well, you know, James, or you may not know. Many
37:15
Speaker 14: years ago I was the problem. I was the person
37:18
Speaker 14: at Quantas fronting the problems and scandals amid four to
37:23
Speaker 14: five years of industrial relations dispirits and grounding of the
37:26
Speaker 14: fleet and various cybersecurity and technology breaches, attacks shutdowns of
37:33
Speaker 14: our checking systems globally around the world. So it is
37:38
Speaker 14: a fantastic Australian business. However, I think you're right. They
37:43
Speaker 14: are just climbing their way back to public acceptance and
37:47
Speaker 14: getting their public reputation back on track under the new
37:50
Speaker 14: leadership of Vanessa Hudson, who was an experienced, longtime Quantus
37:55
Speaker 14: journey woman, who knows what the risks are and the
37:59
Speaker 14: reputational challenges that Quantus has experienced over many years, in
38:04
Speaker 14: probably decades now. For Vanessa, this doesn't come at a
38:08
Speaker 14: very very good time for her, and of course it
38:10
Speaker 14: comes right at the end of the financial year as well.
38:15
Speaker 14: But these things happen. As Jemma said, hackers are becoming
38:18
Speaker 14: more and more and more sophisticated and if they can
38:23
Speaker 14: get into Quantus, how does the average small business survive
38:28
Speaker 14: being financially scammed.
38:31
Speaker 2: Great point. All right, let me lighten things up a
38:33
Speaker 2: little bit. Let me ask you a question. What would
38:36
Speaker 2: you rather your Quantus Frequent Flyer Data Elite or your
38:39
Speaker 2: Virgin aircraft playing host to a snake. A flight coming
38:43
Speaker 2: out of Melbourne was delayed for more than an hour
38:46
Speaker 2: yesterday after a serpent was discovered in the cargo hold.
38:49
Speaker 2: It suspected the snake hitch to ride in a suitcase
38:52
Speaker 2: from Queensland, where the flight originated, and escaped mid transit.
38:55
Speaker 2: We've been able to obtain some exclusive footage from that flight.
39:05
Speaker 10: Snake, that's just my pat snake Reggie wag, snake shuck.
39:12
Speaker 2: I fail, Jemma. The snake was probably the only passenger
39:17
Speaker 2: on that Virgin flight not complaining about the leg room.
39:23
Speaker 13: I don't really my I mean, someone's going to write
39:25
Speaker 13: a nasty letter. They can write it to you, Jones.
39:27
Speaker 13: My view, the only good snakes are dead snakes.
39:29
Speaker 11: So I am quite happy to keep that one at
39:33
Speaker 11: a safe distance.
39:35
Speaker 13: I don't like things that crawl. I don't like things
39:37
Speaker 13: that slither.
39:39
Speaker 11: That's my that's my worst night man LISTA wasn't in
39:41
Speaker 11: the passenger the passenger cabin.
39:45
Speaker 2: I'm absolutely with you on that. Give me turbulence any day.
39:48
Speaker 2: No snake's on planes, all right, quickly. Whatever you think
39:50
Speaker 2: of Donald Trump, you have to give him. This is
39:53
Speaker 2: a president who's not afraid to say there are boys
39:55
Speaker 2: and there are girls, and they're different, something most other
39:58
Speaker 2: world leaders seem incapable of saying. Which brings us to
40:02
Speaker 2: Lea Thomas, the man identifying as a woman who took
40:05
Speaker 2: out a host of swimming titles at the University of Pennsylvania. Well,
40:09
Speaker 2: Lea Thomas will be stripped of those titles after pressure
40:12
Speaker 2: from the Trump administration. The university will also issue formal
40:16
Speaker 2: apologies to every female competitor who's lost out to a
40:20
Speaker 2: transgender competitor.
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Speaker 1: Christy.
40:23
Speaker 2: It's a good decision, but shame on the university that
40:26
Speaker 2: they needed a presidential nudge to do it.
40:31
Speaker 14: A shame on the university that they didn't inherently know
40:35
Speaker 14: that women are competing for lucrative titles in college sports.
40:40
Speaker 14: It's incredibly lucrative in the United States. It is a
40:44
Speaker 14: difference between going to the Olympics or not, or making
40:46
Speaker 14: lucrative endorsements and having a highly renumerated.
40:51
Speaker 2: Career or not.
40:53
Speaker 14: And if you work at that level, whether it's athletics
40:57
Speaker 14: or any other level where you compete on a biological level.
41:01
Speaker 14: Women should not have to compete against men. It is
41:04
Speaker 14: an absolute disgrace of the diversity agenda of the university
41:09
Speaker 14: is trying to satisfy all stakeholders and actually you can't.
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Speaker 14: You have to draw a line and have women compete
41:17
Speaker 14: against women. And you know, our international sporting bodies, some
41:22
Speaker 14: of them do very well at knowing where that line
41:25
Speaker 14: is around testing and where they draw the line around
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Speaker 14: in terms of when somebody reached puberty or not, whether
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Speaker 14: they can compete as a woman or vice versa compete
41:37
Speaker 14: as a man. But this university did not do that.
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Speaker 14: They didn't follow international best practice, and they had an
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Speaker 14: inherent unconscious bias towards trying to be light and fluffy
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Speaker 14: towards everybody instead of being fair to women who were
41:53
Speaker 14: competing for careers that would see them through the rest
41:57
Speaker 14: of their future.
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Speaker 2: Jem, I've only got about thirty seconds left, but I
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Speaker 2: just wanted to ask you quickly you think the tide
42:05
Speaker 2: is turning on the trans issue.
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Speaker 13: It's a really broad question. I'm going to try and
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Speaker 13: answer it in thirty seconds.
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Speaker 11: I think the realization is that common sense is beginning
42:17
Speaker 11: to prevail again, and that is.
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Speaker 13: That biological women have been suffering women.
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Speaker 11: You know, there's been these groups around the world that
42:24
Speaker 11: have just been so happy to see the rights and
42:27
Speaker 11: the spaces and the opportunities for women just completely erased.
42:31
Speaker 11: As Christie said, in the is some sort of misconstrued
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Speaker 11: idea of fairness which has been completely unfair. And thank
42:38
Speaker 11: goodness for women like Riley Gaines, who was obviously very
42:41
Speaker 11: involved in this case.
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Speaker 13: He said, no, absolutely, no.
42:44
Speaker 11: I mean I grew up thinking fifth was a place James,
42:47
Speaker 11: so I got no horse in that race.
42:48
Speaker 13: But I do think this is the right decision.
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Speaker 2: Very good, Christy and Jemma. Really appreciate your time tonight. Jimma,
42:55
Speaker 2: enjoy Italy, have a great time while you're away. Well,
42:57
Speaker 2: we're going to go to a break, but coming up,
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Speaker 2: Kosher Garda joins me to talk about CNN promoting an
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Speaker 2: app to help illegal migrants dodge law enforcement. That's coming
43:08
Speaker 2: up in just a moment. Well, CNN has found itself
43:14
Speaker 2: in hot water with the White House again, this time
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Speaker 2: for apparently promoting an app called ice Block, which allows
43:21
Speaker 2: users to track the location of immigration officials in real time.
43:25
Speaker 2: Nothing says journalistic integrity quite like handing out a digital
43:29
Speaker 2: map to help people dodge the law. The network reported
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Speaker 2: on the app as if it were the next big
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Speaker 2: thing in community safety.
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Speaker 9: Ice raids and mass deportations. One tech developer is pushing
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Speaker 9: back with an app designed to track ice activity in
43:44
Speaker 9: real time. It's called ice block, and it's controversial to
43:47
Speaker 9: see the least.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: The White House Press Secretary Caroline Levitt found out about
43:52
Speaker 2: the situation during a press briefing. Here is how that
43:55
Speaker 2: went down.
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Speaker 13: We haven't seen the clip.
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Speaker 15: We'll take a look at it, but certainly it's unacceptable
44:01
Speaker 15: that a major network would promote such an app that
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Speaker 15: is encouraging violence against law enforcement officers who are trying
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Speaker 15: to keep our country safe.
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Speaker 2: ICE Acting Director Todd Lyons was quoted in an official
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Speaker 2: statement saying, and I quote CNN's promotion of an ice
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Speaker 2: spotting app is reckless and irresponsible. Advertising an app that
44:23
Speaker 2: basically paints a target on federal law enforcement officers backs
44:27
Speaker 2: is sickening and borders our Tom Homan he was asked
44:30
Speaker 2: about the situation, and is what he had to say.
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Speaker 12: It's disgusting. I mean, I cannot believe we're in a
44:37
Speaker 12: world where the men and women who enforce law are
44:40
Speaker 12: the bad guys and one who broke the law of
44:42
Speaker 12: their victims. And I think d O Jane needs to
44:44
Speaker 12: look at this and see if they're crossing that line.
44:47
Speaker 12: I think we need to send a strong message that
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Speaker 12: we need to protect a law enforcement.
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Speaker 2: Person joining me now, as Skyne is contributed, kosher garda kosher?
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Speaker 2: Is this legitimate news reporting by CNN or is this
44:58
Speaker 2: aiding and a betting law break is or worse in
45:02
Speaker 2: dangering the lives of officials?
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Speaker 16: Great to be the James, you know, I think from
45:08
Speaker 16: a legal perspective, they're probably not in legal peril because
45:11
Speaker 16: they are just reporting on something as unsavory as reporting
45:15
Speaker 16: may have been about an app that's out there. However,
45:18
Speaker 16: it is from an optical perspective and just an ethical
45:21
Speaker 16: or moral perspective. As Tom Hoolman there said, you could
45:23
Speaker 16: use words like disgusting that that would be on the
45:25
Speaker 16: more charitable side. Because Christinome, the Department of Homeland Security secretary,
45:30
Speaker 16: has said that assaults on ice officers is up five
45:33
Speaker 16: hundred percent right now, that's an official number that she's
45:35
Speaker 16: put out from that Department and these kinds of things
45:38
Speaker 16: only aid and a bet that. So it's not great.
45:40
Speaker 16: This is ultimately for CNN a battle of the narrative
45:43
Speaker 16: where they are losing that battle because this issue Trump
45:46
Speaker 16: has totally consolidated the base. Everybody's on the side of
45:49
Speaker 16: the ICE officers and his issue of getting these people
45:52
Speaker 16: out of the country, illegal aliens and criminal illegal aliens
45:55
Speaker 16: out of the country and see and it's trying to
45:57
Speaker 16: see if they can somehow regain and reframe that narrative.
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Speaker 13: I think it's the sinking ship for them.
46:03
Speaker 2: Well, speaking of all of that, trying to get the
46:06
Speaker 2: illegal migrants out of the country, Trump has made a
46:09
Speaker 2: visit to a new migrants center in Florida, dubbed Alligator Alcatraz.
46:13
Speaker 2: The site features hundreds of security cameras, twenty eight thousand
46:16
Speaker 2: feet of barbed wire, more than four hundred security personnel,
46:20
Speaker 2: and during the visit, President Trump made this observation about
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Speaker 2: Joe Biden. Have a listen.
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Speaker 6: If any of the news claims are keeping them out
46:28
Speaker 6: in the hot humans South Florida, that is wrong.
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Speaker 4: It's probably sixty two to three here to be onst hey.
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Speaker 1: Now, Biden wanted me in here.
46:35
Speaker 9: Okay, he wanted me.
46:37
Speaker 1: It didn't work out that way, but he wanted me
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Speaker 1: in here.
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Speaker 2: That kosher facilities like those are obviously going to elicit
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Speaker 2: a reaction from people. But where do they expect Trump
46:48
Speaker 2: to put illegals in hotels?
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Speaker 10: Oh?
46:50
Speaker 2: Hang on a second, that's what the Biden administration did.
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Speaker 16: Indeed, the Reservelt hotel in my old stomping grounds in
46:57
Speaker 16: New York that normally retails for eight hundred dollars a
46:59
Speaker 16: night being put up there for free. Look this Alcatraz
47:03
Speaker 16: alligator Alcatraz is getting all sorts of media pick up
47:06
Speaker 16: around the world because it hits every note of Trump's
47:08
Speaker 16: signature issue substantively. He is running and he ran on
47:12
Speaker 16: and won on many things, but first among them was
47:15
Speaker 16: deporting mass deportations of illegals.
47:17
Speaker 13: So this checks that box.
47:19
Speaker 16: Secondly, it shows the execution of it, and like, how
47:21
Speaker 16: you get this done, the cooperation between the state of
47:24
Speaker 16: Florida and the federal government while you have other states
47:26
Speaker 16: that are actually deliberately uncooperative. And then the optics of
47:29
Speaker 16: it that this is in Florida swamp land that has
47:32
Speaker 16: lots of alligators and pythons around it, So it really
47:36
Speaker 16: creates this natural mode, and it's really a deterrent that
47:39
Speaker 16: hopefully will increase the self deportations, which is another plank
47:43
Speaker 16: in Trump's policy platform. There's a million people who've elected
47:46
Speaker 16: to self deport because as we're getting serious with immigration
47:49
Speaker 16: deportations in the US, they don't want to wind up
47:51
Speaker 16: in places like these, and hopefully this kind of thing
47:53
Speaker 16: will increase that number, which makes everything easier and better
47:56
Speaker 16: for everybody.
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Speaker 2: I was going to make the point, Kosher, that even
48:01
Speaker 2: if no one ends up in that facility, it may
48:04
Speaker 2: well work by making people think, you know what, I'd
48:06
Speaker 2: rather just self deport than take my chances in Alligator Alcatraz.
48:11
Speaker 2: Trump is nothing if not a showman who knows how
48:15
Speaker 2: to create images to shift public opinions. So there you go, Kosher.
48:19
Speaker 2: Sorry I didn't have more time with you this evening.
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Speaker 2: Maybe next week, but thanks for joining me tonight. I
48:24
Speaker 2: really appreciate it, And thanks to you at home for watching.
48:27
Speaker 2: But don't go anywhere, because coming up in just a
48:30
Speaker 2: moment is my mate Caleb Bond from the Late Debate.
48:33
Speaker 2: He's hosting Sherry this week and he's coming up now.
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Speaker 1: Good night,