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Female Firsts: Mary Golda Ross · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm not going to
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Speaker 1: Stephane never told your production of I Heart Radio. And
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Speaker 1: it is time for another female first, which means we
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Speaker 1: are once again joined by the fabulous, delightful Eves. Welcome Eaves. Hello, Yeah, y'all.
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Speaker 1: This is our first recording of three. That's exciting. I'm
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Speaker 1: excited for this one. Last time we spoke, we were
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Speaker 1: talking about how we hoped New Year's would go, how
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Speaker 1: we hoped it would be. How has your kind of
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Speaker 1: New Year's been, Eaves, How did it go so far?
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Speaker 1: And we're just a couple of weeks, and but I
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Speaker 1: am liking it so far. Um Like, uh, there have
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Speaker 1: been many ups and downs. They're often are throughout the
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Speaker 1: rest of the year as well. But I'm having fun,
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Speaker 1: you know, I'm having fun. I feel optimistic, which I
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Speaker 1: think is a good thing at the beginning of the year.
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Speaker 1: But I'm also like still like it's the beginning of things,
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Speaker 1: but also the middle of things and the end of
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Speaker 1: other things, so it's like it's just a continuation, you know.
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Speaker 1: So I think there are a lot of things that
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Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to for the rest of the year,
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Speaker 1: but also things that I'm in progress on that feels good,
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Speaker 1: and I think I'm in a good mind state, which
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Speaker 1: I think is the most important part because like all
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Speaker 1: of those fluctuations, you know, all of those things that
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Speaker 1: upstanded downs, like trying to find a middle in the
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Speaker 1: middle of them, and I think that I am doing
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Speaker 1: a fairly good job at using the tools that I
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Speaker 1: have to stay in that middle way. So I'm feeling
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Speaker 1: I'm feeling good about it, nice good place. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: it is. We were talking about it before and how
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Speaker 1: the kind of like New Year, I'm going to change
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Speaker 1: all this stuff about me is just not very realistic
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Speaker 1: for a lot of reasons. Um, I'm very stressful. Uh.
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Speaker 1: I will say, you know, one thing I didn't have
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Speaker 1: the New Year I really wanted in the way that
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Speaker 1: I wanted. I did get to stay by myself, which
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Speaker 1: was like my goal, but it wasn't the relaxing thing
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Speaker 1: I wanted because I don't there were just a lot
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Speaker 1: of things going on that I was in the middle
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Speaker 1: of and that it's not like they stopped. But you know,
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Speaker 1: if a small victory is I really adapted quickly to
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Speaker 1: writing the New Year. I haven't had an issue with it,
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Speaker 1: so I don't think that. Look at you, that's progress, right,
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Speaker 1: I'll take it. That's proper. Okay, how about us a
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Speaker 1: bit then? Oh yeah, I definitely did nothing. Like we
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Speaker 1: had a slight moment of like should we do something,
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Speaker 1: and they were like, now, and we think we pretty
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Speaker 1: much missed the New Year's moment. We're supposed to do
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Speaker 1: the champagne toast or whatever because we were streaming and
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Speaker 1: didn't realize with like two or three minutes behind, like
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Speaker 1: it was supposed to be live, but it definitely wasn't live.
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Speaker 1: And we're like, oh, whoops, happy New Year. Maybe that
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Speaker 1: maybe like the new Year. That's I don't know, that's
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Speaker 1: a bad omen or what wherever, just two or three
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Speaker 1: minutes behind from ever for the rest of the year.
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Speaker 1: So if that happens, sorry in advance, that's what I
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Speaker 1: should play. There you go. It was funny because if
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Speaker 1: vibe I got this year from a lot of people
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Speaker 1: was I went to bed at ten pm. I was
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Speaker 1: watching a movie from the year Shifted, and then we
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Speaker 1: can continued on, continued on. But I am very excited
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Speaker 1: about the person you bought today, who I know we've
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Speaker 1: talked about this before, but I love I'm a very
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Speaker 1: I love science and I love space and all that
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Speaker 1: kind of stuff. So I'm like, very, very thrilled to
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Speaker 1: have this conversation. Who did you bring for us Today's
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Speaker 1: So today we are talking about Mary Golda Ross. So
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Speaker 1: I'm sure you, being the lover of things all things
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Speaker 1: science and space, that you'll probably understand a lot more
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Speaker 1: necessarily to the aeronautics and engineering that she did. Because
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Speaker 1: I have to admit upfront that Mary Golda Ross was
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Speaker 1: an engineer, and I do not understand the subject matter
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Speaker 1: that is, um, the subject of her expertise, so um,
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Speaker 1: it is far and beyond my knowledge base. But I
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Speaker 1: do understand the significance of her accomplishments, being that she
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Speaker 1: was the first known Native American woman engineer in the
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Speaker 1: United States and she was the first female engineer in
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Speaker 1: the history of Lackey. Yeah. Yeah, well, I mean I think,
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Speaker 1: disclaimer inside, you always do so well at you, so
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Speaker 1: I have complete faith in you. But that's what I
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Speaker 1: love this kind of stuff because I just think it's
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Speaker 1: fascinating and even if you know we're not engineers, it's
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Speaker 1: still exciting and cool to talk about and think about. Yeah, sure, yes,
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Speaker 1: absolutely so shall we get into her history. Yeah, let's so.
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Speaker 1: Mary Golder Ross was born on August nine in nineteen
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Speaker 1: o eight, and just for a little bit of background
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Speaker 1: of the time. The year before she was born, Oklahoma
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Speaker 1: had become a state. Up until that point, Oklahoma was
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Speaker 1: a territory of the United States. And she has some
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Speaker 1: um in terms of her Native American lineage, people who
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Speaker 1: were pretty notable and some of the um situations that
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Speaker 1: were happening in the United States before her time, when
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Speaker 1: it came to the struggles that Native Americans were going through,
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Speaker 1: when it came to education, um, dispossession um, and all
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Speaker 1: of those things related to how they were being pushed
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Speaker 1: out of the eastern what we now call the United
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Speaker 1: States and to the west. Being that her great great
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Speaker 1: grandfather was Chief John Ross, who was at one time
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Speaker 1: principal chief of the Cherokee Nation. That was from around
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Speaker 1: eight to eighteen sixty six when he held that position,
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Speaker 1: and her mother was Mary Henrietta Moore Ross and her
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Speaker 1: father was William Wallace Ross, Jr. And so both of
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Speaker 1: them were listed on the Dodge role as quote Cherokee
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Speaker 1: by blood um. So Mary was one of five children.
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Speaker 1: She didn't have siblings and UH members of the Cherokee Nation,
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Speaker 1: including some of Mary's ancestors, were forcibly removed from what
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Speaker 1: is now the Eastern US to what is now Oklahoma,
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Speaker 1: so that it was part of her lineage specifically UM.
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Speaker 1: But that's the history of all of the peoples who
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Speaker 1: were dispossessed, who fought against it, and who were forced
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Speaker 1: out under the Indian Removal Act and sent away from
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Speaker 1: their homelands to lands west of the Mississippi River on
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Speaker 1: the Trail of Tears. So Mary herself grew up in
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Speaker 1: park Hill in Oklahoma, and she took a liking very
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Speaker 1: early on to math and science, and a profile that
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Speaker 1: someone named Laurel M. Shepherd wrote, she was quoted as
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Speaker 1: saying math was more fun than anything else. It was
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Speaker 1: always a game to me, which just pausing for my aside.
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Speaker 1: I really loved math. But I feel like saying it
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Speaker 1: was a game to her is a flex because it
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Speaker 1: always it almost makes it feel like nobody needed to
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Speaker 1: teach her the math, like she just knew it somehow inherently,
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Speaker 1: that it was a game, because no matter, I feel like,
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Speaker 1: no matter how much you enjoy math, it's still a
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Speaker 1: difficult learn um skill that requires a lot of application
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Speaker 1: and time and dedication to understand, especially since there are
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Speaker 1: so many different branches of math. So I just really
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Speaker 1: appreciate it saying that, yeah, I agree with that. To me,
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Speaker 1: like when we talk about math and people who love
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Speaker 1: math and truly understand math, they talk about it like
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Speaker 1: it's a different language that I do not know, and
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Speaker 1: I just sit there and stare at them. I'm like,
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Speaker 1: I know multiplication. I used to do that really well
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Speaker 1: in like second grade. That was my thing. That's where
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Speaker 1: I kept understanding, like looking at number three, like this
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Speaker 1: is such a this formula means this, and this can
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Speaker 1: begind this and that translates into like, yeah, making machines
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Speaker 1: and making cimicals and making medicines, and I'm like, I don't,
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Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know what's happening. But yeah, it's
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Speaker 1: definitely a flex a flex I was. I have been
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Speaker 1: humbled many times, and I'm definitely not as involved in
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Speaker 1: it now as I used to be. But there was
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Speaker 1: a very brief period in high school when I was
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Speaker 1: on the math team, and I really very quickly that
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Speaker 1: I loved it and I understood it and could do it,
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Speaker 1: but I could not do anything nearly as quickly as
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Speaker 1: everyone else could. Everyone was so fast, and doing things
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Speaker 1: fast is not my m O. So yeah, I really
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Speaker 1: I'm appreciative of her saying that it felt like a game,
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Speaker 1: because I don't know if she was fast or not,
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Speaker 1: but I would imagine she probably was, you know, because
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Speaker 1: she was a mathematician and did that work in her
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Speaker 1: day to day. So yeah, but she um. She graduated
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Speaker 1: from high school at age sixteen, so she was fast
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Speaker 1: in doing that, and in she went on to Northeastern
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Speaker 1: State Teachers College in Oklahoma, and according to an article
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Speaker 1: and Italicua Daily Press, she wasn't familiar with the term
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Speaker 1: quote unquote major when she was enrolled, so when they
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Speaker 1: asked her what her favorite subject was, she said math.
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Speaker 1: And that's the story of how she became a math major.
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Speaker 1: She said, quote, I was the only female in my class.
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Speaker 1: I sat on one side of the room and the
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Speaker 1: guys on the other side of the room. I guess
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Speaker 1: they didn't want to associate with me, but I could
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Speaker 1: hold my own with them and sometimes did better. End quote.
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Speaker 1: So she graduated from that school in night with the
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Speaker 1: b a m. Math and for the following nine years
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Speaker 1: she taught math and science in nearby high school, so
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Speaker 1: she went directly from her own learning and learning to
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Speaker 1: teach into her teaching practice. In seven, there was a
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Speaker 1: point where she took a Civil service exam and then
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Speaker 1: she went on to work as a statistical clerk for
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Speaker 1: the Bureau of Indian Affairs in Washington, d c. And
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Speaker 1: if you're not familiar with the Bureau of Indian Affairs,
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Speaker 1: that is just a federal agency that hand those tasks
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Speaker 1: related to Native American policy and land and laws and
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Speaker 1: things like that. And Mary was also a girls advisor
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Speaker 1: at a Native American school in Santa Fe, New Mexico.
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Speaker 1: But she had taken math classes during the summers while
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Speaker 1: she was teaching in Oklahoma, and so she ended up
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Speaker 1: going on to get her master's degree from Colorado State
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Speaker 1: Teachers College in ninety eight. And while she was going
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Speaker 1: to that college, she also took astronomy classes, so she
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Speaker 1: was already developing all of her interests in astronomy and
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Speaker 1: an aviation while she was taking her math classes and
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Speaker 1: getting her math education. So she found out at one
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Speaker 1: point that Lockheed Aircraft Corporation, which was in Bourbank, California,
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Speaker 1: was looking for workers that had a background that was
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Speaker 1: similar to the background that she had, so she knew
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Speaker 1: that she could fit the bill for working there, so
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Speaker 1: she got the job. She moved to California and soon
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Speaker 1: began working as an assistant to a consulting mathematician. So
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Speaker 1: as part of her work in the engineering department, she
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Speaker 1: helped work on problems that were related to things like
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Speaker 1: fighter planes, and she worked on a design issue with
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Speaker 1: the P thirty eight Lightning fighter for instance. Was one
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Speaker 1: of the things that she worked on early on in
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Speaker 1: her time there, and her work was so value that
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Speaker 1: Lockheed asked her to keep working for them once the
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Speaker 1: war was ending. And while she was working at Lockey,
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Speaker 1: she took courses at the University of California and she
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Speaker 1: got her certification for mechanical engineering in nineteen forty nine.
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Speaker 1: In the nineteen fifty two that was when Lockheed formed
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Speaker 1: a missile systems division and Mary became one of its
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Speaker 1: first forty employees. And this is where her first comes
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Speaker 1: in because at that point she was the only woman
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Speaker 1: engineer and the only known Native American in Skunk Works,
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Speaker 1: which was the name for this group at Lockheed, and
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Speaker 1: that name skunk Works was just a nod to their
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Speaker 1: listed ideal working conditions. UM. That was based on a
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Speaker 1: joke from the comic strip which was called Little Abner.
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Speaker 1: There was like, uh, they used the terminology skunk works
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Speaker 1: in that comic strip, and that ended up morphing into
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Speaker 1: the name skunk works because of the smell that was
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Speaker 1: coming from a nearby place. And they were working in
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Speaker 1: like a makeshift like a a circus tent that they
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Speaker 1: had to buy. They were kind of this fly by
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Speaker 1: the seat of the pants kind of like operation within
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Speaker 1: the company. Anyway, that group was a precursor to Lockheed
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Speaker 1: Missiles in Space Company. So Mary worked during World War
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Speaker 1: Two and into the Cold War and the Space Race,
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Speaker 1: which was clearly a very charged period in American history
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Speaker 1: when it comes to innovation, very different than today's priorities
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Speaker 1: UM and funding, and was a period that was very
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Speaker 1: focused on the kind of innovation and technology that would
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Speaker 1: be able to put crude and uncrewed craft into space. UM.
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Speaker 1: So she was working during this time and she worked
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Speaker 1: on defense missile systems, ballistic missile systems, near Earth satellite systems,
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Speaker 1: and she even worked on underwater launched ballistic missile systems.
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Speaker 1: So she explored ways of launching Earth orbit flights, and
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Speaker 1: she also focused on interplanetary travel. Um. She worked on
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Speaker 1: a Gina rocket as well, which was an upper stage
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Speaker 1: rocket that was commissioned by the Air Force. So she
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Speaker 1: was doing a lot um, but a lot of the
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Speaker 1: work that she was doing remains classified. So because of that,
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Speaker 1: it's clear that the work that she did was integral too,
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Speaker 1: you know, the progress that was happening at Lockheed and
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Speaker 1: in the space race and when it came to getting
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Speaker 1: people into space. But there's still a lot that we
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Speaker 1: don't know about her legacy. But yeah, um. She was
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Speaker 1: also one of the authors of the NASA Planetary Flight Handbook,
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Speaker 1: Volume three, which was about travel to Mars and Venus,
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Speaker 1: which is pretty cool. But yeah. Um. There is an
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Speaker 1: episode of What's My Line, which is an all game
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Speaker 1: show that you can go watch um on YouTube that
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Speaker 1: Mary golda Ross was in, So she was featured on
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Speaker 1: that was on June twenty second nine, and that was
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Speaker 1: a show where celebrities would come on and they would
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Speaker 1: try to guess the contestants jobs. And in the show
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Speaker 1: they listed her job as designs rocket missiles and satellites,
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Speaker 1: and so the panelists who were there who are the
15:48
Speaker 1: celebrities who are like a panel trying to figure out
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Speaker 1: what the person does, and they're asking these questions to her,
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Speaker 1: and they eventually do get to the point where they
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Speaker 1: figure out the material she worked with. They were like, okay,
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Speaker 1: we think you we work with rockets and missiles. They
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Speaker 1: figured that out and then they had to figure out
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Speaker 1: what she did with them. So it took them a
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Speaker 1: minute to get to that design was like the last
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Speaker 1: thing they said. They were like, do you do you
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Speaker 1: guard it? Do you you know? They had all these
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Speaker 1: other questions before they got to designing, so but yeah,
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Speaker 1: they eventually got there. When at one point one of
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Speaker 1: the panelists asked how big the rockets were, the host
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Speaker 1: cut that person off really quickly and was like, UM, sorry,
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Speaker 1: she can't talk about that. She can't talk about anything
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Speaker 1: she's working on. UM. So yeah, it's a good way
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Speaker 1: to see something that's fun, a little lighthearted related to
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Speaker 1: the work that Mary Golden Ross was doing that we
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Speaker 1: still have access to. But yes, so over time, while
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Speaker 1: she was working at Lackey, she worked her away from
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Speaker 1: being a research specialist too an advanced systems engineer to
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Speaker 1: senior Advanced system staff engineer at lckeed. All her work
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Speaker 1: was related to and it made possible and effective satellite
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Speaker 1: mission and space vehicles and submarines, and she worked on
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Speaker 1: the Poseidon and tried it missiles as well. And another
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Speaker 1: flex that she said at one point was quote I
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Speaker 1: may have developed a few equations no one had thought
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Speaker 1: of before, but that was nothing unusual. Everybody did that.
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Speaker 1: So in a way, it's like she's almost downplaying the
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Speaker 1: work that she did, but it's also like there were
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Speaker 1: many other people who were important to the work that
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Speaker 1: I was doing, like recognizing that she was a part
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Speaker 1: of a team and a part of something that happened
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Speaker 1: over a lot of time and that built on the
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Speaker 1: work of others, which I think is something that we
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Speaker 1: talked about a lot here in this first UM series,
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Speaker 1: because even though she was a first it didn't mean
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Speaker 1: that there weren't other people who were working beside her
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Speaker 1: and came before her UM that helped make her achievement
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Speaker 1: as possible. So she retired from Lockheed in nineteen seventy three,
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Speaker 1: and of course things had changed a lot from when
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Speaker 1: she started working there. They were around a hundred women
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Speaker 1: engineers at Lackeyed at that time. UM. She retired, but
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Speaker 1: she still was remain important in education and encouraging education
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Speaker 1: in the engineering and math fields to other people. She
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Speaker 1: lectured and she helped develop educational programs for women and
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Speaker 1: for Native Americans, and she became involved in different organizations
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Speaker 1: like being an early member of the Society of Women Engineers,
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Speaker 1: and she was also involved in the American Indian Science
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Speaker 1: and Engineering Society as well as the Council of Energy
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Speaker 1: Resource Tribes. So she said that she would consider herself well,
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Speaker 1: the quote is I consider myself extremely fortunate to have
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Speaker 1: been on the ground floor of space technology, is what
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Speaker 1: she said. And she did die on April twenty nine,
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Speaker 1: two thousand eight. Uh, there's a painting of her at
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Speaker 1: the Smithsonian and on the twenty nineteen Native American one
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Speaker 1: dollar coin, she's on their writing on a piece of
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Speaker 1: paper with the slide roll next to her on the
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Speaker 1: desk that's in front of her. So her history has
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Speaker 1: been recognized by NASA, by many people who work in
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Speaker 1: the science and engineering fields and aeronautics, and yeah, she
19:26
Speaker 1: made a lot possible, and so her legacy has been
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Speaker 1: celebrated in different ways. Yeah, it's really really amazing. Um
19:48
Speaker 1: and I love she accomplished so much when they're at
19:52
Speaker 1: a time when there's still so many obstacles, and uh,
19:56
Speaker 1: these quotes you share, which you know we love votes
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Speaker 1: on here, Uh do you kind of showcase a sort
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Speaker 1: of fun like she enjoyed her work and was happy
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Speaker 1: to be involved in it. I love that she's on
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Speaker 1: this game show about it, but there's just like a
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Speaker 1: fun aspect of it. And I mean, as we always
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Speaker 1: say in these it's true that so much of the
20:18
Speaker 1: conversations we're having now we're still around and especially around
20:23
Speaker 1: women and stem because I I connected with a lot
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Speaker 1: of this too, because I did. I loved math as well,
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Speaker 1: and I would come up with kind of interesting ways
20:32
Speaker 1: to solve problems that my teachers were kind of shake
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Speaker 1: their head at. Um. There was this guy, Aaron, and
20:39
Speaker 1: he was supposed to be the best at math, and
20:42
Speaker 1: a teacher once told me, like, no joke in high school,
20:44
Speaker 1: like you're embarrassing him. Let him, let him do better
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Speaker 1: than you. And I was like, oh, okay, interesting, why why?
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Speaker 1: Um So I do think it's really important to share
21:01
Speaker 1: these stories and have these these role models and uh,
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Speaker 1: I'm happy that you you brought this to us because
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Speaker 1: I did really enjoy it. Yeah, I really enjoyed learning
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Speaker 1: about her history too. Yeah, it's super important. And I
21:19
Speaker 1: think also I just love to see because what happens.
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Speaker 1: And I think a lot of these stories that we
21:24
Speaker 1: talked about on female First is how people who did
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Speaker 1: so much work and spent so many years and decades
21:31
Speaker 1: in the fields that they were doing, using the knowledge
21:35
Speaker 1: that they had and passing it on to people kind
21:37
Speaker 1: of each one teach one situation in ways where they
21:40
Speaker 1: were personally able to inspire so many others. So it's
21:45
Speaker 1: kind of in a way impossible to trace their legacies
21:48
Speaker 1: because if someone hurts someone's story or learned directly from
21:53
Speaker 1: that person who had a super storied history in a
21:56
Speaker 1: certain field, we don't know for everyone what part that
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Speaker 1: history that information and make whatever interaction they may have
22:06
Speaker 1: had with the future of that field may have inspired them.
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Speaker 1: So I think that's really cool. You know, people like
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Speaker 1: these who have these kinds of histories can form little
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Speaker 1: puzzle pieces and people who work after them and their
22:22
Speaker 1: minds and their overall stories of the work that they
22:25
Speaker 1: choose to do. And I appreciate that. You know, it's
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Speaker 1: having like the spirit of these people and work that
22:34
Speaker 1: other people are doing in little ways that can be
22:36
Speaker 1: little are big. Yeah. Yeah, It's fantastic that she was
22:40
Speaker 1: a teacher of the things that she loved, because when
22:43
Speaker 1: you have a teacher that loves a subject, and obviously
22:46
Speaker 1: she used that to advance her career, but it's contagious
22:51
Speaker 1: and I really I could only imagine that when she
22:55
Speaker 1: was teaching her students and just like focusing on making
22:58
Speaker 1: sure that everyone in that classroom, not based on general
23:01
Speaker 1: would be excited and learned. In my mind, just because
23:04
Speaker 1: of again what she's gone through and how much she
23:07
Speaker 1: loved it and how she didn't allow for any of
23:08
Speaker 1: that to hold her back, so that she was an
23:11
Speaker 1: inspiration for those kids who learned from her. I would
23:13
Speaker 1: love to know, you know, how their experience has been,
23:16
Speaker 1: because she shaped a lot of history. Obviously, like shaped
23:20
Speaker 1: a lot in our engineering locket is still around, does
23:22
Speaker 1: the same thing and it's a big company today. So
23:25
Speaker 1: she was from on the ground, you know, at almost
23:28
Speaker 1: from the beginning and saying that, and in my head also,
23:31
Speaker 1: I can like when you were talking about her creating
23:34
Speaker 1: these things, I thought about Rosie the reveter, you know,
23:36
Speaker 1: in that picture, and I'm like, oh, she was the
23:38
Speaker 1: epitome of that. She was kind of like the leader
23:41
Speaker 1: because she'd been there and then she's creating these things,
23:44
Speaker 1: not only as someone who was making it and creating it,
23:47
Speaker 1: but actually like formulating everything from the ground up. It was.
23:51
Speaker 1: It's just a fascinating thought on who she was and
23:55
Speaker 1: what she did and could represent. Yeah, and I also
23:59
Speaker 1: really appreciate her ability to recognize that she wanted to
24:04
Speaker 1: nurture a passion that she had inside of herself when
24:06
Speaker 1: she while she was working on other things at school.
24:09
Speaker 1: So it was like she was focused on math and
24:11
Speaker 1: focused on teaching, but also realized that she was super
24:14
Speaker 1: interested in astronomy and aviation. So she had the wherewithal
24:20
Speaker 1: or the inspiration to be able to pursue that. And
24:24
Speaker 1: I really appreciate that and her trust and her own
24:26
Speaker 1: ability to learn new things and not have to be
24:28
Speaker 1: good at just one thing. That she was kind of
24:31
Speaker 1: marrying all the things that she loved in her life
24:34
Speaker 1: and took that and apply for a job somewhere else.
24:38
Speaker 1: And you know, while she was when before she got
24:42
Speaker 1: her certification, Blockheed helped her to be able to do that.
24:45
Speaker 1: So basically sponsor her ability to get her certification. So
24:51
Speaker 1: for her to have the courage and the ability and
24:59
Speaker 1: the passion to to be able to pursue that, I
25:02
Speaker 1: think is really admirable and can be a really good
25:07
Speaker 1: thing for other people to look at if they find
25:10
Speaker 1: that they're in a field and want to do something
25:13
Speaker 1: that they're not sure they can do that may be
25:16
Speaker 1: related or a little bit unrelated in a way. Um,
25:19
Speaker 1: I think that like looking at a story like Mary
25:22
Speaker 1: Golder Rosses can help like show at the very least
25:26
Speaker 1: that we're capable of, like marrying the things that in
25:30
Speaker 1: our lives that we are interested in that are of
25:32
Speaker 1: vocations as well as our passions and our occupations. You know.
25:37
Speaker 1: Another thing I like about the story she was able
25:39
Speaker 1: to get her flowers while she was still alive. She
25:41
Speaker 1: lived a very long time. It was really impressive how
25:44
Speaker 1: long she was alive. But like she actually got awards
25:47
Speaker 1: and accolades and recognition while she was still here. And
25:50
Speaker 1: I love that because we don't often get to see that.
25:53
Speaker 1: We get to see, you know, there are a lot
25:54
Speaker 1: of the stories end up being like either people try
25:57
Speaker 1: to silence them or try to erase them, or try
25:59
Speaker 1: to push them kind of in the back of advice
26:02
Speaker 1: minds so that other people will get credited, but here,
26:05
Speaker 1: like she did get some of those uh accolades while
26:09
Speaker 1: she was here and people were able to acknowledge her contribution.
26:12
Speaker 1: I love that for her. I agree, I did you.
26:16
Speaker 1: It was a very inspiring story and I do. I
26:20
Speaker 1: love this curiosity and passion. It's just it makes me
26:22
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26:26
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