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Hollywood Star Wife Shot Dead After Online Nudie Scam Plus: Shocking Testimony In Comedian Bill Cosby Sex Assault Trial · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: I mean it's Grace and you are listening to the
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  Speaker 1: Triumph Channel, Sirius x sim one two. Will this guy
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  Speaker 1: ever go away? Accused of his wife's murderer? This Hollywood
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  Speaker 1: star has just remarried and living the sweet life. I'm
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  Speaker 1: talking about Robert Blake, the star of barretta Uh, star
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  Speaker 1: in the film in Cold Blood, Metro Golden Mayor's Our Gang,
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  Speaker 1: The Little Rascals, Red Rider, Lost Highway, you name it.
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  Speaker 1: Robert Blake keeping a low profile but living the sweet
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  Speaker 1: life after he escapes charges our murder of his wife
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  Speaker 1: Bonnie Lee Bakley. Joining me right now, Oh, and tune
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  Speaker 1: in tonight on A and E eleven o'clock p m.
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  Speaker 1: Eastern Time as Dan and I go at it on
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  Speaker 1: Grace Versus Abrams to get to the truth of what
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  Speaker 1: really happened. Alexis to restaurant, Joining me right now from
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  Speaker 1: Radar online dot Com. Alexis what happened the night Bonnie
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  Speaker 1: Lee Bakeley was shot in the face. She and Robert
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  Speaker 1: had dinner at a restaurant in the valley which is
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  Speaker 1: Los Angeles, and it's Vitellos, its old school Italian restaurant.
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  Speaker 1: Booths inside everybody who was anybody went there? It was
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  Speaker 1: super popular restaurant. They leave the restaurant, they go outside
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  Speaker 1: to the car, which was parked around the corner, which
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  Speaker 1: is a little strange because it's a little bit off
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  Speaker 1: the beaten track on the side of that street. He mean,
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  Speaker 1: he parks the cars of the parking lot right up front.
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  Speaker 1: Uh where after he says he's worried about his wife's safety.
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  Speaker 1: He is dead, parks in a dark alley behind the restaurant,
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  Speaker 1: exactly ahead. His version of the story is, oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 1: I forgot that I left my gun in this restaurant recently,
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  Speaker 1: So I'm going to go back inside the restaurant and
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  Speaker 1: get my gun. So he leaves, goes back and says,
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  Speaker 1: wo wow, wow wow. Whoa wait. So they eat dinner.
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  Speaker 1: They have the Robert Blake Special, which I think is
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  Speaker 1: possible with presciutto and tomato. They then go back to
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  Speaker 1: the dark alley parking spot with the car windows rolled down.
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  Speaker 1: He takes the keys so she can't roll them up.
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  Speaker 1: He goes back in to get his what his gun,
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  Speaker 1: and he left his gun. He accidentally leaves a thirty
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  Speaker 1: eight caliber revolver at the booth Okay, and let me
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  Speaker 1: understand this, Alexis, when he goes back to get the
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  Speaker 1: gun he left behind, nobody saw a gun, right, Not
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  Speaker 1: a bus boy, not a wait or, not a waitress, nobody,
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  Speaker 1: nor did they see him come in to check for
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  Speaker 1: the gun. Is that right? That's exactly the right. So
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  Speaker 1: his version is I went back inside to get my gun.
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  Speaker 1: While he was inside, someone not Robert, says, Robert go
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  Speaker 1: shoots his wife two times in this alleyway in a neighborhood. This,
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  Speaker 1: This is not some seating neighborhood that. This is a
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  Speaker 1: really nice area of Los Angeles. This is basically homes Alexis,
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  Speaker 1: Alexis Alexis. I'm all happy about the nice neighborhood, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: But can I get back to the murdyr. So, while
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  Speaker 1: he's in Vitelos, his stomping grounds, his favorite restaurant, they
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  Speaker 1: even have a dish named after him. While he's going
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  Speaker 1: in there, nobody sees to get the gun that nobody
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  Speaker 1: notices sitting in the booth. She gets murdered in that
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  Speaker 1: ten minute window. And when he gets back out, he
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  Speaker 1: finds her dad and the killer gone. All happening within
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  Speaker 1: a ten man that window. Is that right? That's exactly right, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: Mickey Sherman, defense lawyer, author of how can you defend
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  Speaker 1: those people? Why did this guy walk free? Okay? I
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  Speaker 1: was out there doing a coverage on this thing for
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  Speaker 1: another network, and the question was asking me by the anchor,
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  Speaker 1: well if she if he didn't kill her, who did?
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  Speaker 1: And my response was so appropriate that they pasted it
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  Speaker 1: on the wall and the CBS news area down there.
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  Speaker 1: And that is that there was a sign up sheet
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  Speaker 1: at the police department through all those people in l
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  Speaker 1: A who wanted to kill Bonnie Lee Bakley. I know
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  Speaker 1: that's whether mean spirit. He was lining up to kill
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  Speaker 1: Bonnie Lee Bakeley. Okay, so many people, so many people
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  Speaker 1: should have got that's not true. That is not true,
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  Speaker 1: Alexis terres Chuck Mickey sure may call it ripping off.
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  Speaker 1: Some other people would describe it as art. True. Bonnie
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  Speaker 1: Lee Bakley would age topless photos of herself and send
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  Speaker 1: them to sad sacked love lords all across the country.
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  Speaker 1: They would send her money. It was a scam. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: do you really think one of these guys, Alexis, is
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  Speaker 1: there any proof whatsoever that she was being stalked that
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  Speaker 1: she got a threat. They didn't want threatened violence. Ever,
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  Speaker 1: you want me to believe that somebody traveled across the
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  Speaker 1: country on the Greyhound bus, finds her at her husband's
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  Speaker 1: favorite restaurant and in a ten minute window kills her
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  Speaker 1: after he has said he's angry at her. It's caught
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  Speaker 1: on tape that she got pregnant without his consent. No,
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  Speaker 1: the only person that committed this crime was Robert Blake.
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  Speaker 1: He is the only person. The prosecution tried him. They
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  Speaker 1: they had so many reasons why he was the person
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  Speaker 1: that killed his wife. That could not have been anybody else.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't some guy that she scammed with her topless photos.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't some gilt had over from before. It wasn't
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  Speaker 1: anybody that she and she even tried to bring blame
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  Speaker 1: Marlon Brando's son Christian, because they had been dating, and
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  Speaker 1: at one point she thought baby Rosie was actually Christian
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  Speaker 1: Brando's daughter and had named her I think Christian Brando
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  Speaker 1: or had named her after Brando. When she got a
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  Speaker 1: d n A a paternity test, she found out the
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  Speaker 1: baby was Robert Blake's baby and renamed the baby Rosie.
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  Speaker 1: Rosie Blake. And as a matter of fact, Christian Brando
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  Speaker 1: was in I believe it was upstate Washington. Didn't he
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  Speaker 1: also do ten years for his side? He did? Uh? Yes,
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  Speaker 1: Christian Brando. I think he did seven years for shooting
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  Speaker 1: his Christian Brando's sister boyfriend who was beating his sister.
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  Speaker 1: He shot him DAGs. Really he did some time on
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  Speaker 1: voluntary man at the time Bondi Lee Bakeley's murder, Brando,
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  Speaker 1: Marlon Brando's son was out of the state. It wasn't him.
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  Speaker 1: And again back to that ten minute window, and Robert
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  Speaker 1: Blake was the one that got last sewed into marriage,
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  Speaker 1: not Christian Brando. Okay, as a matter of fact, take
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  Speaker 1: a listen to the victim, Bonnie Lee Bakeley's sister, who
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  Speaker 1: spoke with me on h l N the night of
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  Speaker 1: the not guilty verdict where Blake walked free. I was
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  Speaker 1: in shock. I was devastated. I just don't know how
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  Speaker 1: they came to that conclusion. Maybe it's just more obvious
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  Speaker 1: to me because of you know, talking to my sister
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  Speaker 1: so much and for so long, and hearing all the threats,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, he promised he was going to do
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  Speaker 1: it and he did it, and he said he'd get
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  Speaker 1: away with it, and he did. I guess this is
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  Speaker 1: just the final time I can be hurt by him.
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  Speaker 1: And also listen to this who killed Bonnie Lee Bakley.
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  Speaker 1: It's as lain as the nose on your face, Dan Abrams,
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  Speaker 1: that was her ods but he could not that gun
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  Speaker 1: in Robert Blake's hand. There were a lot of other
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  Speaker 1: people who had a motive to kill Bonnie Lee Bagley.
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  Speaker 1: Give one name, one name when you just need reasonable doubt,
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  Speaker 1: you don't have to give a name. That's Dan Abrams
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  Speaker 1: and I going at it. You know, I just don't
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  Speaker 1: like the way the victim has been dragged through the mud.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's as if, you know, think of the
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  Speaker 1: worst thing you've ever done, alexis tres chuck, the worst thing.
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  Speaker 1: Don't tell me out well, please, I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: hear it. Uh, But what if that were plastered on
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  Speaker 1: every newspaper, on every internet site and the world need
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  Speaker 1: the single worst thing you think you've ever done, Because
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  Speaker 1: that's what's happened to Bonnie Lee Bakley. Alexis in death,
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  Speaker 1: and the thing is that Robert has just mocked her
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  Speaker 1: death for almost twenty years now, and in fact, he
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  Speaker 1: is now remarried to another woman, the woman who testified
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  Speaker 1: about the case tonight, Grace versus Abraham's on A and
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  Speaker 1: funny man quote Bill Cosby back in court? How many
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  Speaker 1: women say he raped or molested them? I mean, if
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  Speaker 1: even just one of them is telling the truth, why
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  Speaker 1: isn't he behind bars? Why has he been walking free
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  Speaker 1: um acting charading as a philanthropist. Why? Because I guarantee
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  Speaker 1: you if it were Alan Duke or Vincent Hill or
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  Speaker 1: anybody else, they'd be under the jail with this many
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  Speaker 1: women saying rape? Uh in oh and to boot Nearly
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  Speaker 1: everyone claimed he slipped him rufie of some sort, the
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  Speaker 1: date rape drug, and they passed out and they wake
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  Speaker 1: up feeling sticky and yucky, and their private parts some
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  Speaker 1: of them aching having vague recollections of the American icon
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  Speaker 1: comedian Bill Cosby walking around and nothing but a house rope. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: that made me. Actually, Phil Noaz is just for a
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  Speaker 1: little bit. No woman should ever feel this way. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know how many rape and molestation victims I have
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  Speaker 1: represented to the very very best of my ability, And
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  Speaker 1: you probably don't know how many women maybe sitting in
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  Speaker 1: the room with you right now, were molested or raped.
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  Speaker 1: Most women never speak of it, even women that know better,
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  Speaker 1: even women that talk about rape statistics, have something in
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  Speaker 1: their past they don't want to confront. We're talking about
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  Speaker 1: Bill Cosby and all the women that have come forward.
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  Speaker 1: Now is their strength in numbers? Well, we'll find out,
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  Speaker 1: because Cosby is sitting in a court of law. I
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  Speaker 1: want you to take a listen to the first so
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  Speaker 1: called supermodel that I spoke with, one of the outspoken
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  Speaker 1: Cosby victims, Janice Dickinson. Now let me warn you it
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  Speaker 1: ain't pretty. Rape never is. Listen. I can't breathe because
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  Speaker 1: of Bill Cosby. What do you mean? I can't breathe
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  Speaker 1: because I haven't slept in weeks, and uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I just you know, you know, with everything that's going on,
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  Speaker 1: I haven't been able to breathe. Like the whole nation
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  Speaker 1: is doing right now protesting. I am protesting because of
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  Speaker 1: the unresolved issues due to rape from Bill Cosby. I'm
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  Speaker 1: just starting to exhale and and I will say this.
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  Speaker 1: I you know, I I sabbed all weekend, not just
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  Speaker 1: for me, for what's going on with these other women.
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  Speaker 1: I'm in huge gratitude to the Los Angeles Police Department.
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  Speaker 1: You know, thank you guys and gals out there. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's about time that this guy gets his cup up.
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  Speaker 1: And supermodel Janice Dick conson stating in court her anger
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  Speaker 1: and disgust at being allegedly raped by America's dad Bill
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  Speaker 1: Cosby after she loses consciousness when she says the actor
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  Speaker 1: gives her a quote small blue pill that he said
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  Speaker 1: would help her with menstrul pain. Okay, you know what,
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  Speaker 1: Dr Bethany Marshall, psychoanalysts out of l A. I don't
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  Speaker 1: need any help with my minstrel pain. I'll take a
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  Speaker 1: baby aspirin and I'll keep on chugging. You know what.
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  Speaker 1: I could have cramps all the way during a homicide trial,
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  Speaker 1: but I didn't think twice about it, because you know,
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  Speaker 1: what choice do you have except to keep going? And
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  Speaker 1: I'm telling you this much would be a cold day
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  Speaker 1: in h e double l before I take a pill
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  Speaker 1: from some guy that had designs on me. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: but how does this go down? Dr Bethany, How does
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  Speaker 1: it go down like this? How does it happen? You know?
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  Speaker 1: It's interesting because when I was hearing that that that
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  Speaker 1: he gave her a pill for her menstrel cramps, I thought, wow,
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  Speaker 1: it it's so personal so quickly, And I think that's
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  Speaker 1: what these offenders do. They start to um insinuate themselves
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  Speaker 1: into the woman's life with really inappropriate intimate conversation. And
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  Speaker 1: I would love to have been a fly on the
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  Speaker 1: wall at that dinner. I imagine he was bringing up
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  Speaker 1: sexual topics, um women's issues, things like that. You know, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: how he got in touch with Janice in the first place.
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  Speaker 1: He contacted her agent saying that he wanted to help
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  Speaker 1: her with her career. He flew her into Tahoe. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: the grooming process was extensive to try to get access
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  Speaker 1: to her. She didn't contact him, he contacted her. You know.
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  Speaker 1: Another thing, am Bremner joining me high profile lawyer out
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  Speaker 1: of Seattle, Ashley Wilcott jevenil judge, victim's advocate lawyer and
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  Speaker 1: found a child crime watch dot com with us. Vincent Hill,
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  Speaker 1: private investigator, and Alan Deep joined me from l A
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  Speaker 1: Jackie Howard in Atlanta to you and Bremner, I want
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  Speaker 1: everyone acts like, how did she think he was gonna
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  Speaker 1: quote help her in her career? What a line of bs.
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  Speaker 1: That's not true. And because I had somebody helped me.
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  Speaker 1: I had a guy who was now in heaven, Dr
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  Speaker 1: William Suttles, who was the president of Georgia State University.
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  Speaker 1: And he also was a divinity major and was PhD.
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  Speaker 1: And was a pastor at a small Baptist church in Snoy, Georgia. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: he rode like a circuit rider. He'd go there once
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  Speaker 1: a month and preach. He also happened to be best
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  Speaker 1: friends with my now husband's grandparents, who were farmers, and
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  Speaker 1: they would repay him for his preaching with baskets and
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  Speaker 1: bags of produce like butterbeans and call our grains. He
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  Speaker 1: when I got out of law school, knew I was
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  Speaker 1: a crime victim. And I have been trying to get
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  Speaker 1: on at the d a's office for so long. Just
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  Speaker 1: so happened guests who came to his Sunday school class
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  Speaker 1: once a month. The elected District Attorney and he ambushed him,
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  Speaker 1: and he said, just interviewer, I got the interview, I
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  Speaker 1: got the job. And you know what, never once ever
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  Speaker 1: did anything untoward happened. He was like a grandfather to me.
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  Speaker 1: So you know what, it does happen, and I really
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  Speaker 1: resent now. I've got to say, that was one of
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  Speaker 1: the few times that a man has shown a genuine
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  Speaker 1: and innocent, philanthropic interest in helping me. It's only happened
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  Speaker 1: a couple of times, but it has happened, and Bremner,
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  Speaker 1: it does happen, So why shouldn't she trust him? And
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  Speaker 1: of course he found a gem in you, Nancy, as
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  Speaker 1: we all know. But you know, I look at this,
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  Speaker 1: I actually represent a victim out here in Seattle at Cosby.
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  Speaker 1: But she's just not really inclined to get into all
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  Speaker 1: of this. But she had the exact same experience of
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  Speaker 1: I want to help you with your career. She was
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  Speaker 1: a model in Los Angeles. I want to help you
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  Speaker 1: with school, I want to speak to your graduation, all
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  Speaker 1: those kinds of things, and she believed them. She trusted him,
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  Speaker 1: and like you, Nancy, I worked I quick for a judge,
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  Speaker 1: and I worked for a wonderful prosecutor. Nor mailing, and
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  Speaker 1: my judge was Judge Dixon, two of my biggest mentors,
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  Speaker 1: and then Tom Fry and my firm. All men had
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  Speaker 1: no designs. Wonderful people, wonderful mentors that helped me tremendously.
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  Speaker 1: So I think it's happened to all of us where
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  Speaker 1: there were no designs whatsoever. And why would you think
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  Speaker 1: there would be when somebody has that kind of interest
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  Speaker 1: and really gets involved. And you know, Ashley Walcott coming
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  Speaker 1: up in a legal business, I mean it's cut throat.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not even going to go into the
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  Speaker 1: TV business. I mean, oh, talk about nasty. But the
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  Speaker 1: legal business. You know, you're dealing with all sorts of
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  Speaker 1: uh lawyers and all sorts of arenas of law. You
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  Speaker 1: got your ambulance chasers, you got your p I lawyers
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  Speaker 1: who make things up. You got criminal defense lawyers that
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  Speaker 1: hang out with strippers and dopers. I mean, that's a
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  Speaker 1: pretty seedy bunch, right, But they're good ones in there too.
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  Speaker 1: So why should she not think that Bill Cosby was
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  Speaker 1: really going to try and help her. Heck, I'd get
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  Speaker 1: on the plane and go try to get some help too.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly do you know I had two mentors both of
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  Speaker 1: whom were judges, and they were phenomenal and still are
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  Speaker 1: my entire experience in law. So they're absolutely good people
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  Speaker 1: out there. But also think about, okay, what judges are those?
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  Speaker 1: What judges helped you? You know one of them passed away,
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  Speaker 1: Sammy Jones, he was a judge in Sulton County. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: he was one of mine. I was first in the
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  Speaker 1: d a's office, you know that, Mr Slaton. The d
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  Speaker 1: A sent me to Juvenal to try cases, and you
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  Speaker 1: know you Sammy was there. Yes. The other is Judge
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  Speaker 1: Adams into Cab County and he has a phenomenal judge
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  Speaker 1: and person and I love him. Good person, is it?
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  Speaker 1: A great guy? Is he is? But you know, don't
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  Speaker 1: forget about with Bill Cosby. Here's the other reason any
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  Speaker 1: anybody's gonna trust this man. Think about those Jello commercials
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  Speaker 1: with that little boyish, cute grin, and then he was
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  Speaker 1: America's father Father of the Year, Mr Houstable for years,
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  Speaker 1: and so I think that adds that media perception adds
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  Speaker 1: to why anyone would trust this man. You know what,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: here's the sharp dichotomy to Jello and America's Dad. Listen,
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  Speaker 1: Ms Dickinson, after you came forward. At first, a lot
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  Speaker 1: of these women had no name. They were all Jane Does.
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  Speaker 1: A few of them allowed their names to be out there.
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  Speaker 1: But when you came forward, you know a lot of
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: people know you. You don't know them, but they think
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: they know you. We all think we know you because
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: we've seen you on TV, we've read about you in
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: the tabloids. We think we know you and all about you.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: So when you came forward, you really put a name
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: and face to this. Others have come forward, but you're
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: the one everybody feels that they know, and that has
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: really changed the focus of this whole investigation. In my mind,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: is that a name and a face has been put
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: on this. It's not somebody in the shadows that never
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: came forward. It's you and a few other brave ladies
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: that are weathering the storm. And I'm sure you never
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: expected the hate that has been sent your way after
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: you came forward. I am I don't know what to
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: say to that, but I know that I am an American,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: and I know that this country was based on two premises,
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: freedom of speech and the right to bear arms, Okay,
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: And it was the right thing for me to do
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: when when this took place. I told several people about
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: this when you know when, when when this first happened,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: I told this will come out later. I'll give it
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: all to you when it comes out, Nancy. But it
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: is my right as a woman, as a parent to
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: protect women out there worldwide, and to protect daughters and granddaughters,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: sisters and mothers. Okay, it is, and I want every
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: woman out there to please hear my words. We've got
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: to stop this man. He will can't doing it. He
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: took him my dof innuendo. He was in me. So
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Dickinson in the courtroom taking the witness stand during Cosby's
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: trial for drugging and sexually assaulting a woman, Andrea constant Um.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: He's being tried for that. She is coming in as
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: a quote similar transaction witness. Now, as you know, in
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: our jurisprudence system, a defendant cannot be tried on a reputation.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: His fact is. There are strict rules that one's reputation
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: or bad character cannot come in. Good character can come in.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: But here's the exception to that. Similar transactions. For instance,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: I had a guy named the Red Rapist. He did
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: the same thing every time he would creep in through
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: a window at about the same time every night. Wanted
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: to a m in the same neighborhood, get the one
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: one she's asleep, raper in bed and leave a red
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: rose hello like it was a date. Uh, that's a
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: similar transaction. It's a fingerprint crime. Nobody else did it.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: And there was a string of women that he raped.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Therefore when I tried, I tried him on a lot
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: of them. But there were similar transactions. In other words,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: these similar cases tend to prove the case in chief
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: showing mode of intent, course of conduct, frame of mind scheme.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: So that is why Janice Dickinson is being allowed to
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: testify in the case of State the Cosby where the
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: victim is Andrea Constant. Do I have that right, Alan do? Yes? No,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: so Dickinson comes in. I don't know why every news
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: account has to describe what women are wearing. They never
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: describe what the man's wearing. But f y, I she
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: wore a simple black pants suit and a white shirt.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Why does that lead every article? I don't know, Dr Bethany,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: I don't want to go off on a tangent, but
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: do you ever notice that every time there's a woman
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: witness or defending in court. We always have to talk
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: about what she's wearing, but we're also concerned about the details.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: You know, what she chooses to wear, the detail. The
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: fact that he gave her a little blue pill is
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: a detail. The fact that he dangled career success in
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: front of her is a detail. I mean, the devil's
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: in the details. I mean, I think that there's so
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: much things canna go into a trial, so many details,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: but we're curious about every single aspect. You know, I
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: go back to the whole thing about him print pretending
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: to be a mentor for a second. Think, what I
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: think is so evil with these offenders is they try
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: to identify the one thing that they think the woman
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: really wants. And what is a supermodel gonna want. She's
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: going to want to advance her career. And he played
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: right into that vulnerability. And you know, whether you're a
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: high level organized offender or you're a low level disorganized defender,
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: that the man usually always tries to tap into that
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: one thing, and that was that's what creates confusion in
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: the victims. Well, we pedophiles do this. They'll they'll hand
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: a child a piece of candy, right um teachers who
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: molest their students do this, They'll they'll give them passing
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: great or or you know, they'll give them a pluss.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: They always find something the victim wants and that's where
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: the confusion starts. And that's why it takes so long
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: for these victims to come out. You know what, when
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: you said it like that, You're so right. I've actually
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: never thought of it that way to you and Bremner
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: way in, you are actually dealing with another alleged victim.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: I believe her because I know you and Bremner UM,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: but we have to say alleged. So is that the
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: experience you're alleged female victim of Bill Cosby had. I mean,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: this is another woman that hasn't been added to the
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: tally because she just doesn't want to talk about it.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: And trust me in I get it. I know Nancy
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: here wonderful and she's had that exact experience. And he
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: also groomed her parents who lived up here in Washington
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: State UM and also um offered checks to her, you know,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: money for her education. So it wasn't just oh my stars,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: that's exactly what he did with some of the other women.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: How do you say groomed her parents. Well, basically, like
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: I'm more, I'm concerned about her. I suggest she takes
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: these classes. You know, she can have a part in
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: my show. Um, she's got a great career ahead of her. Um,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: what are your concerned? You know about her? I mean
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: actually calling her parents in a small town in Washington State,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: And this is Bill Cosby, who was a superstar America's
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: dad offering to help her education to actually come up
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: for graduation and appear. And it's just like, you know,
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: there's stars in her eyes, and she was so young
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: and trying to advance her career and she couldn't believe
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: her great fortune when she first met him and where
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: he offered to help her. You know what's so creepy
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: about that. That's what pedophiles do. They groom the entire family,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: not just the victim exactly. You know. I remember one
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: of the first cases, Ashley Willcott, that I tried, and
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: it was a sodomy case on a little boy. Um.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: I still remember. The defendants named Kenneth Cherry, and the
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: little boy had some kind of a learning disability, couldn't
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: really verbalize very well at all, and he loved playing
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: video games. So they per would give him rolls of quarters,
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: and the little boy really couldn't even testify on the
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: stand very well at all. But in his bedroom the
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: police found a big thing of vassoline porn and rolls
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: of quarters, and the little the mom found blood and
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: the little boys underwear. And I'm just thinking about, you know,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: how he befriended the boy, befriended the mother, and just
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: beyond anything I could describe that. I just always pray
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: that it becomes a distant bad memory so the child
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: can grow up normally as best as they can. It's
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: just so difficult. But uh, back to I lost my
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: train of thought. Hold on. Back to Janice Dickinson. In court,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: she says that she complained that she was getting ahead
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: of her her cramps and she had her hand on
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: her stomach and Cosby says, I've got something for that.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: He gave her a blue peel, a little round blue peel,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: and uh, she said. They were sitting in a restaurant
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: and shortly after the pill, she started feeling woozy and dizzy,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: and he goes, uh, we'll continue talking upstairs. So they
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: go upstairs. She didn't think anything of it. Then when
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: she gets out there, she's really starting to get out
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: of it, and Cosby changes into a bath robe and
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: makes a phone call, probably to his wife, and for
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: some reason, Dickinson takes three pictures with the polaroid camera
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: she brought with her and Cosby's on a phone in
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: a robe, wearing glasses and a brown velvet hat. And
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: you know what, take a listen to what Janice Dickinson says.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: She'd hear her not me. I had mental cramps. I
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: had mensteal my you know, stommer cramps. He said, oh,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: I've got something for that, and he gave me a pill.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: He's giving me a pill. I trust the guy. I
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: trusted Bill Cosby's because of his demean and the promise
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: of a career. And you know, I trusted him, and
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: I was I wanted a television career I always had.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: I had had a successful career for commercials. I wanted
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: to take it to the next level. It was red wine.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: It was a pill. And then when I started to blackout,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: I had camera on me. That's when I took several
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: photographs with with a polaroid. When I had one of
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: the first polaroid cameras, and you know, I just remembered
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: shooting these pictures and having them on me in my
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: room next morning when I woke up. The last thing
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: I remember I was I blacked out and Cosby mounting
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: me like the monster that he was, and I was thinking,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: what the heck? What the And I just remember passing up.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: But I remember more specifically waking up and that he
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: there was a lot of pain in downstairs, was sitting
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: all over me, and that my pajamas bottoms were off
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: and the top was opened, and I at that point,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: fight or flight. I just packed up and I got
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: the hell out of there, she continued. Before I zonked out,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: I felt pain between my legs. I passed out. It
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: was gross. I woke up the next morning in my
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: room and I didn't know where I was. I'm looking
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: right now at the photo of him in the bathrobe,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: talking on the phone, and he's wearing a hat like
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: fat Albert wore, you know, the page boy, but velvet,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: looking kind of just exactly as she says. Guys were
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: talking about Bill Cosby, who was finally finally in court.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Vincent Hill with me, extraordinary private investigator in multiple jurisdictions. Vincent,
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: you know when you have an armed robbery case, or
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: a burglary case, nobody, he puts the victim on trial.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Now you don't have to say, oh, you're right, really
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: what were you wearing? Uh? Did you have a drink?
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: Did you actually have alcohol before the rape? And that
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: doesn't happen that way, But the prosecutor has to deal
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: with the reality that that's how people see sex attacks
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: on women. So you know what, that's the game. Play
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: the game. When the game, let's corroborate the story. Let's
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: corroborate her story. That's the way you have to think
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: as a prosecutor in sex crimes case. So there, she's
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: got a photo of him in the room that night,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: wearing the bathrobe that so many women describe to Vincent Hill.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: How can you corroborate a rape victim's story? Yeah, was
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: late victims, especially when you're talking sexual assaults, are or
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: ra the physical evidence piece of that. So it makes
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: it difficult for investigators to find that aspect of it.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: And the sad part is a lot of people wait
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: so long to report these things simply because of fear,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: fear of retaliation, fear of reputation. So it makes it
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: very difficult for investigators to actually prove these claims. Dickinson
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: said that she felt anal Paine, looked in a mirror
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: and at herself and remember her Paja pajamas halfway on
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: with no bottoms. That is Janice Dickinson's story on trial
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: right now is Bill Cosby American icon Alan dou We're
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: talking about Janice Dickinson because she's just been on the stand,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: But what about the case in chief regarding Andrea Constant. Well,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: the reason that Constants cases here is it falls within
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: Pennsylvania's twelve year statue, a statute of limitations. She's now
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: forty five, but when she was younger, in two thousand
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: and four, she was an administrator at Temple University for
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: the women's basketball team, And of course we know Bill
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Cosby was a big supporter of that school. And she
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: tells this story about being mentored by him, visiting his
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: home and eventually being drugged and sexually assaulted. She's testified
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: on this before, and she tells a dramatic story. She
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: describes herself being drugged then jolted into consciousness. When she's awake,
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: she realized that Cosby was groping her breast and he
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: was also penetrating her with his with his hands and
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: other body parts. You know, the women are really being
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: subjected to a tough cross examination. Janice Dickinson's being subjected
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: to cross exam regarding who was the father of one
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: of her children because she wasn't sure at the time.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: There were two possibilities. You know what, Um, I'm sure
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: that's not anything she wanted to relive in court. And
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: frankly to Anne Bremner, I'm very surprised that kind of
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: questioning got in under the rape shol law. I was too, Nancy.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: But you know, he's got a new lawyer in this retrial.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: It's Thomas Masero, who you and I know well from
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: the Michael mac In case back in two thousand and five.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, and he's been a lot a lot more aggressive,
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: including suggesting that she's a liar based on some things
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: that she said in her memoir. It was these things
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: being inconsistent with her testimony. You know, he's also looking
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: at bringing in prior things on another victim, including a
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: conviction on false reporting to the police. So this is
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: quite a different scenario and different legal team than we
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: saw in the first round. We know, he's excellent, you know,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: he does a wonderful job, but he has been He's
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: a great lawyer, a great lawyer. Ashley. The way I
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: think Ashley will caught with me juvenile judge and founder
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: of child crime watch dot com. Actually, I think the
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: way that he is able to Mazzaro was able to
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: cross examine Janice Dickinson's supermodel about her past love life
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: is on inconsistent statements. Because she once said the baby
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: belonged to Slice Stallone, Sylvester Stallone. It turned out it
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: wasn't his, so that's an inconsistent statement. Her explanation is
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: I thought it was, but it wasn't. So that's how
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: he's managing to do that. He's doing that for inconsistent statements,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: but also to attack the credibility of the particular witness.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: So I think on both Browns he has the ability
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: legally to do that. Take a listen to Lisa lot
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Lubin on Dr Pheel as she describes the alleged attack
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: on her by Bill Cosby. The year was nineteen. The
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: owner of the modeling agency I worked for called me
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: and said that Bill Cosby would like to meet with me.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: I was very excited to go and see him. I
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: was starstruck. I felt invincible. I couldn't believe that he
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: wanted to see me. I got to the hotel. He
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: was a gentleman and he was respectful and kind, and
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: he seemed very interested in me, and that made me
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: feel very secure in seeing him again. He was the
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: jellow pudding man. He was everyone's dad. The next time
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: that we met, I had asked if my mother and
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: sister could join us, and he said yes, So we
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: all went up to the Elvis suite. We had a
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: great time, we took pictures. My mother trusted Bill completely,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: but Lisa claims he ended up betraying that trust. During
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: a mentoring session in his hotel suite, Bill Cosby called
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: me out of the blue and he said, can you
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: come by and see me? And I was like, of course,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: And I went up to his hotel and I was alone,
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: and he talked about let me see what type of
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: acting skills you have. I want you to improv. And
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: as I tried to do improv, he fixed a drink
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: and then he brought it to me. It was a
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: brown liquid and it looked like a shot. I told
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: him I didn't drink. He said that this was going
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: to relax me so that the lines would flow out
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: a lot easier. So I did drink it. He made
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: a second drink and add me drink the second drink
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: as well. I noticed myself getting a little dizzy. Bill
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: had sat down on the edge of the couch. He said,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: come over here and have a seat. He had his
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: legs open, and when I sat down, I was sitting
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: down in between his legs with my back to his crotch.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: He started to stroke my hair back in a petting
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: motion like this. The last things I remember is just
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: feeling the strokes on my head. After that, I don't
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: remember anything else. We Lisa has not spoken publicly about
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: her allegations and is coming forward for the first time
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: right now, this minute today. How do you feel about
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: coming out and talking about this right now, right here.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: I was not interested in talking about it out loud.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: One of my close friends who's a detective in Raleigh, Catherine,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: She told me to file a report. I wanted the
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: police to be able to just confront him and let
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: him know that I know he did something wrong. You know,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: if you we're on the witness stand, and this is
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: part of your point about not filing the report. Not
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: filing charges. You don't really know what happened. Do you know?
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: If he raped you? Do you know if if he
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: molested you in some way? Do you know? You don't
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: really know what did happen. Lisa lot Lubin also on
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: the stand this week. Now interesting, I spoke at length
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: with the wife of the incredible Hulk by the way,
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: Carla Ferrigno. You know, it just seemingly doesn't end. How
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: many women have to come forward before Cosby's put behind bars.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Listen to what Carla tells me years old. Don't do
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: the math. But it was um. I was on a
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: date with someone who asked me to dinner, who seemed
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: like a very nice man in the show business. It
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: was in the music business actually, and he asked me
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: to dinner. I went, and he said, we went to dinner,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: we had a lovely evening, and then he said, would
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: you like to go with me to my best friend's house,
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: which is is Bill Cosby? And I didn't have anything
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: to do. I I had broken up with my boyfriend.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: I didn't have to worry about where I was going
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: or whatever. And I said, well, okay, yeah, all right.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: I didn't know. I knew Bill Cosby had a show.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: I never watched the show. I knew nothing really about
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  Speaker 1: him at all, and I certainly didn't go there because
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  Speaker 1: he was a celebrity. I went because I was having
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  Speaker 1: a nice time with my date. So he took me
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  Speaker 1: over to his house in Beverly Hills and he Bill
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  Speaker 1: was so nice. He answered the door. Him and his
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  Speaker 1: wife stood right by the door, Camille, I'll never forget
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  Speaker 1: her name, And we were standing by the door just talking.
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  Speaker 1: We were introduced, and he said, let's go to a movie.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think? So I said, okay, it sounded
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  Speaker 1: like fun to me. I was eighteen years old. I
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  Speaker 1: just wanted to have fun. So I went to the
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  Speaker 1: movies with them. There was my was my date, Bill,
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  Speaker 1: Camille and I and we had cracker Jack's and we
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: laughed and he played and he was he acted like
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  Speaker 1: he was playing with a child with me. I did
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  Speaker 1: not sit. I sat down and he sat next to
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  Speaker 1: me on the far left. My date was next to
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  Speaker 1: me and his wife was way on the other end.
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  Speaker 1: But we had a really fun time and then we
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  Speaker 1: he decided, you know, my the movie was over. We
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: were in Westwood. Movie was over, and he said, my
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  Speaker 1: date said to me, would you like to go back
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  Speaker 1: to Bills and play pool? I was the pool bunny
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  Speaker 1: at the Playboy Club at eighteen. Can you believe this? So? Um?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. So I said, oh okay, I thought, okay,
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  Speaker 1: we'll do that. I mean, they all seemed so nice.
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  Speaker 1: Why wouldn't I want to to do this? So I said, okay,
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  Speaker 1: I will. So he went to his house and the
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  Speaker 1: first thing he did was he walked in. He took
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  Speaker 1: me into the pool. We all went to the pool
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: room and I said. He said to me, would you
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  Speaker 1: like a cocktail? And I said I no, I don't
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: drink and he said okay, um, well would you like
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: some water? And I said no, I'm just fine. And
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: so that's how I met him. We were playing pool,
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: and so he he played first with my date and
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: then guess who won Bill? And he said, okay, well
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: now I play with Carla. Now it's getting on to
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: be around midnight. It's getting late. And I picked up
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: the pools que and i'm I'm playing and I suddenly
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  Speaker 1: I looked up and I said, where where did your
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  Speaker 1: wife go? And he goes, oh, I she probably went
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  Speaker 1: to bed. I said, oh okay, and then I then
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: I play. I shot another thing, and I'm doing good
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  Speaker 1: at this game. And then I looked up and I go, well,
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  Speaker 1: where's my date? And he goes, oh, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: He probably went to the bathroom or something. And so
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: he played the game. We did it. He beat me,
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: and I took my my, my, my pool queue and
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: it was in my back was to him, and I
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: turned around and I put it on the table and
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: when I turned back around, he lunched me. He just
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: lunched right, I mean, just on me. He jumped me,
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: and I was in shock. And I I pushed him,
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: like with all the strength I had. I tried, and
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: then he grabbed me and he kissed me right in
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  Speaker 1: the mouth, and I just I kicked. I pushed away
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  Speaker 1: from him, and I got away from and I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: and I mean it was it was so awful. And
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: then I looked up and those eyes that he looked,
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: he looked like the devil. He didn't look like the fun,
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  Speaker 1: happy guy anymore. He looked like the devil. And I said,
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  Speaker 1: I for a second, I go, I just I sat
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  Speaker 1: there for a second and I looked at him, and
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: I was I was a tough girl I grew up.
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  Speaker 1: But in those days, I was a tough street girl.
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  Speaker 1: I knew how to take care of myself, and men
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  Speaker 1: were always trying to molest me my whole life, ever
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  Speaker 1: since I was like five years old. He said, I
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: always got away, So I I took I. I started
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  Speaker 1: running down the hallway. He lived in a very large
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  Speaker 1: house on the flats of Beverly Hills. And I went
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: running down the hallway. And just as I'm running down
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  Speaker 1: the hallway, who comes out of a door. My date.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: So I looked at my date and I said, I'm leaving.
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  Speaker 1: I want you to take me home now, right now.
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  Speaker 1: And he did and I I never even talked to
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  Speaker 1: him about it. I've just went completely silent, got in
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: the car, he took me and dropped me off, and
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: that was that. You know, it's one thing Dr Bethany
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: Marshall to hear from various victims, because if you are
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: prone to believe Cosby and disbelieve all these women, you
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: find a way to discount everything they say. Have you
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: noticed that, Oh? Absolutely, that's the way the brain works.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: If you have a very strong belief system and somebody
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: presents evidence to the contrary, it will actually buttress and
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: reinforce your own belief system, even if your belief system
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: is off. But I think there's some hope here in that.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: I think that our jurors are the conscience of the community.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: I think, and after the Meto movement, our our culture
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: is rethinking why women UM wait so long to come forward,
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: what victimization means, how women become discredited UM after having
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: been victimized. So when they hear all this about Spanish
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: flight being drugged America's dad, I'm hoping that the jurors
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: are going to have a way to rethink all of
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: this in a sensitive way. And I think Palm Mesro
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: is not going to look so good. He We really
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: admired him and Michael Jackson trial because he's just so
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: talented as an attorney, But degrading victims and victimizing them
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: even further, it's not a good look at this in
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: the in this day and age. You know what you
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: were saying about, If you're prone our mindset to disbelieve
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: all these women, you'll continue to do that and think
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: of them as um freeloaders and extortionists. In fact, Cosby
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: sends out his spokesperson, Andrew Wyatt, who describes the molestation
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: accusers us quote five distractions with quote poetic license and
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: alternative facts. And listen to this. It's really made me upset.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: He says. This spokesperson for Cosby that the victims are
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: represented by quote two of the greatest extortions of the
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: twenty one century, Gloria Allread and daughter Lisa Bloom. You know,
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: I really resent that because I a lot of people
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: don't like Gloria, and I'm not really sure why, because
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: I can remember guys, during the Scott Peterson trial, I
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: would work. I'd get up five o'clock in the morning,
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: get to the courthouse, work all day, stay up to
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: do my program on HLN, then stay up for Larry King,
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: which was ten you know, it would end at ten
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: o'clock California time. I don't know what time that would
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: be Eastern at three hours and long story short, exhausted.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: When I would leave the courthouse, there would be Gloria
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: already on the corner and her St John's suit working
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: two cell phones working that woman. I mean, everybody trashes her.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: And of course I worked with Lisa uh as a friend.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: We were friends at Court TV, so I don't really
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: appreciate the attack on the legacy. The Gloria already is
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: left behind anyway, that's a whole another can of worms.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: But claiming that they're all trying to extort him, that
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: that's what this is all about. Because I want you
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: to listen to what Cosby himself says in an interview
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: with Larry King. Spanish fly was the thing that all
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: boys at from age eleven on up to death. We
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: will still be searching for Spanish flyer. And and what
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: was the old The old story was if you took
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: a little drop, it was on the head of the pen.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: It doesn't make it and the girl would drink it
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: and she hello American. I mean, how dare he get
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: a Larry King and jo about Spanish using Spanish fly
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: either for himself or giving it to women? I mean
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: Dr Bethany Marshall, he made it all a big joke. Well,
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: but we know with this um type of offender, because
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: rapist typologies are very clearly delineated, and one type of
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: rapist is a rapist who as a personality disorder prone
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: to criminality, lack of conscience, low levels of insight or
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: empathy towards the victims, so Bill Cosby just falls right
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: into this category. So you know how criminals will break
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: about the crime and they don't think they'll get into trouble.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: Bill Cosby's personalities disorder allows him to go on national
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: television and basically brag about drugging and raping his victims
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: because he thinks he's above it all. He has no
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: insight into the fact that people are listening and that
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: they actually might have second thoughts about this. Well, here's
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: a message, f y I Cosby, We're listening. Nancy Grace
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