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BLUE BLOOD LAWYER 'Accidentally' Shoots Wife Dead, Sells Her $350,000 Wardrobe, GETS NEW TRIAL · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece.
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  Speaker 2: She's making all the money, he's spending all the money.
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  Speaker 2: I'm talking about a beautiful executive, Diane mckiv she's dead,
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  Speaker 2: shot by her husband who said he did it in
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  Speaker 2: his sleep. Yes, I guess what else. He's walking free,
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  Speaker 2: not for long. I can only hope. I'mansy Grace. This
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  Speaker 2: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here
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  Speaker 2: at Crime Stories and on series XM one eleven. And
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  Speaker 2: to top it all off, they're rolling in money. Much
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  Speaker 2: more do they need? Why is she dead?
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  Speaker 3: Do you believe his story?
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  Speaker 2: He was asleep, was woken up abruptly, afraid of the
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  Speaker 2: homeless people, and misfired the weapon, a weapon that had
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  Speaker 2: several pounds of pressure needed to pull the trigger.
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  Speaker 4: Mm hmmm, mm hmmm.
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  Speaker 3: Let's hear from the horse's mouth.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe I should make a from the mule the jackass's mouth,
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  Speaker 2: But I let you decide that. Listen to texts mac
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  Speaker 2: ivor very dark.
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  Speaker 5: Seeing me, it wasn't that's one that has up procusarly
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  Speaker 5: high population at a lot of people there, and I
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  Speaker 5: quickly said, this is a big mistake, and we're in
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  Speaker 5: a place that we don't belong rank and here we
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  Speaker 5: are almost new suv two women in any so, anyway,
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  Speaker 5: they made a couple of turns and adventures.
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  Speaker 6: Not going well.
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  Speaker 5: Thanks, We'll be on Pemon Shortley and I said, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: by look, if you don't want to please handle my
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  Speaker 5: Dotter prads in center comes.
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  Speaker 2: Let's analyze what we just heard. Joining me in All
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  Speaker 2: Star panel. Mike Patchentic, veteran journalist, founder Patentic Media Group.
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  Speaker 2: You can find him at Mike Patchinic dot com. And
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  Speaker 2: I need an expert also joining me renowned trial lawyer
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  Speaker 2: Clint Rutger, Award winning lawyer, municipal court judge, and most
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  Speaker 2: important to me right now, former Fulton County felony prosecutor
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  Speaker 2: who worked this case. You can find him at Clint
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  Speaker 2: Rutger dot com. Mike Puchinnik, former WSBTV reporter. Did I
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  Speaker 2: get it right that he takes McIvor, who is himself
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  Speaker 2: a veteran lawyer at a silk stocking law firm in Atlanta,
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  Speaker 2: bringing in all kinds of money and I guess spending
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  Speaker 2: it all. Did he actually say it was very dark
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  Speaker 2: and that night there were a lot of homeless people there,
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  Speaker 2: And I said, ooh, where in a place we don't belong.
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  Speaker 2: Did I hear that correctly? You did.
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  Speaker 4: It's exactly what he said.
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  Speaker 7: We're not in Kansas anymore. We're in downtown Atlanta. There
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  Speaker 7: are homeless people milling about. I don't feel safe, Honey, hand.
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  Speaker 2: Me my weapon. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: See, I'm not buying that at all.
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  Speaker 2: Because I lived for about fifteen years exactly where this happened.
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  Speaker 3: I never felt like I had to get a gun.
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  Speaker 3: And she's a homeless person.
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  Speaker 2: So, I mean, Clinton Rucker, you're the veteran trial lawyer
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  Speaker 2: the handle this case. Is he trying to say what
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  Speaker 2: the homeless people are after me? Translation? The black people
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  Speaker 2: are after me? Is that what he's say?
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  Speaker 4: That's absolutely what he was saying. You know, there were
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  Speaker 4: also some allegations that he made during the course of
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  Speaker 4: the trial that he was actually afraid of potential Black
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  Speaker 4: Lives Matter protesters who might be milling about, and so
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  Speaker 4: you're absolutely right. There was this issue that we dealt
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  Speaker 4: with during the trial that had to do with a
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  Speaker 4: racial motivation. He was trying to use the excuse that
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  Speaker 4: he was afraid of black folks literally, and that was
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  Speaker 4: the reason why he needed to arm himself with a
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  Speaker 4: loaded handgun while he was riding.
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  Speaker 2: Through riding through downtown Atlanta in his luxury suv, he
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  Speaker 2: needed a gun in the backseat. Oh okay, let's hear
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  Speaker 2: some more of what tex mcimer has to say. But first,
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  Speaker 2: Mike pa Chinnik, isn't it correct that his wife before
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  Speaker 2: he shot her dead, Diane McIver was a very high
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  Speaker 2: powered executive with Corey. He was She was a self
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  Speaker 2: made woman.
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  Speaker 8: She rose through the ranks of the company and was
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  Speaker 8: among its executive team and making a lot of money
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  Speaker 8: in the process.
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  Speaker 3: What kind of company is Corey?
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  Speaker 8: They do a lot of things, but outdoor advertising. If
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  Speaker 8: you ever driving you downtown Land, you see the big
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  Speaker 8: smokestack there off the Grady Curve, says Corey Enterprises on
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  Speaker 8: a date, that's kind of their flagship over there, and
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  Speaker 8: that's what they're known for.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I remember after she was shot dead by her husband,
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  Speaker 2: they had a memorial of that illuminated that chimney stack
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  Speaker 2: you're talking about for a really long time in honor
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  Speaker 2: of Diane. Beautiful, brilliant, and she was making a ton
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  Speaker 2: of money, right.
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  Speaker 4: Clint Rutger, that's right, listen. I'll just give you a
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  Speaker 4: couple of tidbits to help put in the perspective how
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  Speaker 4: wealthy Diama guy were.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, I need some help because you know what, Clint,
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  Speaker 2: as you know from you and I being trial lawyers.
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  Speaker 2: When I was in the DA's office, one of my
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  Speaker 2: summer jobs was as a camp counselor in tree identification
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  Speaker 2: at the Rocky Golden National Forest and in Putnam County,
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  Speaker 2: you know where that is. This guy had a gentleman's farm.
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  Speaker 2: And boy am I putting that in air quotes, because
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  Speaker 2: you know, my grandparents worked a farm and it's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of backbreaking work. But what this guy did was
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  Speaker 2: basically go there every other weekend and.
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  Speaker 3: Throw parties at the farm.
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  Speaker 2: And his wife was footing the bill not only for
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  Speaker 2: their Atlanta place where he was a partner in a
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  Speaker 2: law farm but had been put on emeritis status or
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  Speaker 2: so he wasn't bringing in a lot of money. She
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  Speaker 2: was paying for all of his doings.
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  Speaker 3: Plus his farm, a farm, she had to pay for
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  Speaker 3: all that. Seriously, that's right.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, give me the tenbits and Patentic, don't hold back.
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  Speaker 3: Patentic, go ahead, Clint Rutger.
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  Speaker 4: All right, so let me tell you this. One of
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  Speaker 4: the financial obstacles that Tex mcgober had Nancy was that
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  Speaker 4: the farm was in arrears. He was not making enough
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  Speaker 4: money at the firm to be able to pay the
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  Speaker 4: monthly mortgage on the farm, and he was in a
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  Speaker 4: ris by several hundred thousand, right, all right?
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  Speaker 2: My head started spinning around, like on, what's the name
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  Speaker 2: of the movie exorcists? Thank you when you said arrears?
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  Speaker 2: He wasn't making the house payments. You know what I
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  Speaker 2: said when I got married Clint Rutger, I said, listen,
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  Speaker 2: you don't have to help me, but don't hurt me. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: you don't have to help me pay these bills that
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  Speaker 2: will hurt me for Pete's sake. Luckily, I got a
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  Speaker 2: good husband that works like a mule, just like me.
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  Speaker 2: Long story shore. So he wasn't making the mortgage payments
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  Speaker 2: on the house, the farm. Excuse me, that's right, that's right.
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  Speaker 2: How bad was it? How bad was it?
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  Speaker 4: Several hundred thousand dollars?
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  Speaker 2: Hold on, I'm sorry, I just threw up a little
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  Speaker 2: bit in my mouth. Hold on, several hundred thousand? Why
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  Speaker 2: didn't he sell the thing?
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  Speaker 4: It had been he had purchased it years ago when
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  Speaker 4: he was a really prominent partner at his firm, and
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  Speaker 4: so so at one point it was no problem for
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  Speaker 4: him to handle the financial responsibilities.
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  Speaker 2: Objection, your honor, the witness is not being responsive to
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  Speaker 2: my question. Why didn't he sell it?
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  Speaker 4: He loved it too much. He loved it so much
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  Speaker 4: his wife wanted to give it to his children.
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  Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall, I need a shrink, Doctor Bethany Marshall.
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  Speaker 2: Rouw psycho analyst joining us out of la and she
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  Speaker 2: is starring in the new season of Paris in Love
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  Speaker 2: on Peacock. Doctor Bethany, help me. Why keep a man
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  Speaker 2: around that won't even pay the house note at least
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  Speaker 2: work for Pete's sake.
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  Speaker 6: Well, you know, it's not uncommon for women who make
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  Speaker 6: more money than their partners to actually feel guilty that
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  Speaker 6: they're making more money, that they're usurping the partner's masculine role.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm sorry, what the masculine role?
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  Speaker 2: You know what. I am so lucky because David isn't
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  Speaker 2: like that at all. You know, God just dropped a
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  Speaker 2: big blessing right on my head, I know. And it's
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  Speaker 2: not about how much anybody makes, it's are they working
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  Speaker 2: in the relationship and holding on to a farm because
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  Speaker 2: of pride, which is one of the seven deadly sins,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, because you don't want your partners at
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  Speaker 2: your law firm to know you had to sell the farm,
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  Speaker 2: and you let your w work her fingers to the
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  Speaker 2: bowe to pay for your ego project. I mean, for
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  Speaker 2: Pete's sake, go be a greater at costco. Just we're man.
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  Speaker 6: One of the primary symptoms of a personality disorder. I
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  Speaker 6: haven't examined him. I don't know if he has one.
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  Speaker 2: Here you go with personality disorder, Okay, I'm ready, get ready, klan.
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  Speaker 3: Here it comes.
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  Speaker 6: People with personality disorders feel that everybody owes them, even
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  Speaker 6: if they're being completely taken care of by their spouse.
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  Speaker 6: A mooch well or a parasite.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that's a good one for a leech and you know,
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  Speaker 2: but it's.
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  Speaker 6: Very primitive because at the beginning of life, we feel
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  Speaker 6: that our mothers owe us to take care of us.
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  Speaker 6: And the mothers do, they do owe us. But these
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  Speaker 6: very disturbed people go through life feeling owed by everybody.
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  Speaker 6: That's why they cheat, that's why they steal, that's why
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  Speaker 6: they're parasites with their partners. And there's also some research
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  Speaker 6: fancy that shows that men who are married to women
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  Speaker 6: who make more money them than them are more likely
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  Speaker 6: to cheat, which I think is fascinating because the other
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  Speaker 6: way around it's not true. So you have that layered
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  Speaker 6: on top of this. And I'm sure he wrote to
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  Speaker 6: her into this gradually. No woman goes into a relationship
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  Speaker 6: saying Okay, I'm going to support you one hundred percent.
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  Speaker 6: That's rare, that's unheard of. What happens is it takes
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  Speaker 6: place the contract or the agreement.
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  Speaker 2: You mean, lie, the lobster in the pot is just
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  Speaker 2: barely warm. It the get go there, you're boiled dead.
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  Speaker 6: It's interaction and interaction at a time. It's oh, you
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  Speaker 6: know what, I forgot my wallet.
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  Speaker 2: Oh you know what, Gosh, you know what.
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  Speaker 6: I'm a trial now, will you just send the mortgage
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  Speaker 6: payment to the farm. Oh, you know, my daughter needs
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  Speaker 6: her college paid for. You know, it starts with little
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  Speaker 6: things that graduates to bigger things. And in this case,
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  Speaker 6: he really saw her as a mark. You know, he
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  Speaker 6: was probably contumplace her death for a long long time
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  Speaker 6: really thinking about this, you know, listening to his own clients.
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  Speaker 6: If he was a trial attorney, you know, picking up
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  Speaker 6: Tim and why.
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  Speaker 2: Is it here's a question that may not be within
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  Speaker 2: your expertise. Why do lawyers think they know everything? That's
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  Speaker 2: a good question for you, Clint Rucker. But let's get
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  Speaker 2: back on track because that's probably a very long, long
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  Speaker 2: psychoanalytics session to figure that out.
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  Speaker 6: But what doctor's insurgents?
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  Speaker 2: Same?
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  Speaker 3: Sorry, doctor Dufree. But remember.
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  Speaker 2: I now recall distinctly, didn't he say that this is you,
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  Speaker 2: Clint or Mike Patentic jump in that he accidentally shot
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  Speaker 2: his wife dad with a gun he was carrying his
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  Speaker 2: lap because he was afraid of the Black Lives Matter protesters.
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  Speaker 4: Actually, Nancy, I'm going to tell you it gets better
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  Speaker 4: than that.
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  Speaker 3: Oh okay, let me come to go ahead.
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  Speaker 4: All right, you're ready, you got yeah, Okay, this is
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  Speaker 4: the story. I was afraid of the protesters and the
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  Speaker 4: homeless people, so I asked for my gun, which I
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  Speaker 4: knew was loaded. I put the gun in my lap,
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  Speaker 4: and then I fell asleep.
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  Speaker 3: I was so afraid I fell asleep.
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  Speaker 4: I was so afraid I fell asleep.
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  Speaker 3: Why didn't they just get off with going down Petemont.
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  Speaker 4: Clint, they were coming down Pete My Nancy, you're familiar
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  Speaker 4: with that area.
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  Speaker 2: Why didn't they just turn on North or turn on
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  Speaker 2: Ponts and get on the interstate to wherever they were going.
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  Speaker 4: There was construction traffic.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, now you're going to blame the construction traffic.
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  Speaker 4: He blamed the construction traffic.
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  Speaker 3: You could still turn.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you're not really believing that he's blaming the traffic.
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  Speaker 4: Blame the traffic.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm so happy. Nothing really could have made me happier.
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  Speaker 4: As he's coming down Pete Mine, across Punts, across Tenth Street,
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  Speaker 4: he's right there by Pete Mont Park, the car comes
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  Speaker 4: to a stop at a rep and he says that
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  Speaker 4: the gun just went off.
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  Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Guns do not just go off. Christopher Byer is joining me,
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  Speaker 2: private investigator at Buyers Investigative dot com. Former police chief
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  Speaker 2: Jobs Creek. Guns don't quote just go off. You have
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  Speaker 2: to pull the trigger. Christopher Byers, please explain when I
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  Speaker 2: say the pounds required on a trigger pull, what does
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  Speaker 2: that mean?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, So I've been a firearms instructor for several decades now,
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  Speaker 9: and I guns do not go off. And what you're
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  Speaker 9: talking about with the trigger pool is it's the pound
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  Speaker 9: of pressure that's required to pull the trigger to enact
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  Speaker 9: the gun from firing. And this particular gun that we're
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  Speaker 9: talking about was a revolver that had a twelve and
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  Speaker 9: a half pound trigger pull from what from thetion of
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  Speaker 9: the case, which is one of the highest that you
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  Speaker 9: can get. It's kind of what we in the industry
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  Speaker 9: referred to as a New York trigger because of all
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  Speaker 9: the requirements up in New York. It's one of the
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  Speaker 9: reasons that revolvers has kind of even kind of gone
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  Speaker 9: the way where they're not used as much anymore because
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  Speaker 9: of the trigger pool required on this they become extremely
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  Speaker 9: inaccurate because you know, your hands starts shaking when you're
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  Speaker 9: trying to pull it. But a twelve and a half
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  Speaker 9: trigger pool is one of the highest you can get,
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  Speaker 9: so you do not accidentally pull a twelve and a
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  Speaker 9: half pound trigger pool.
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  Speaker 2: Now, let's hear again from the horse's mouth what he
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  Speaker 2: says happens. Listen, he pulls it out.
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  Speaker 5: Answers back to me and idental we may have been
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  Speaker 5: on te moon anyway, I relatively satisfied that we're out
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  Speaker 5: of that kind of area, right, And I I guess
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  Speaker 5: I just laid back again and want to sleep of
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  Speaker 5: this piler his own kind of thing credit other whether
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  Speaker 5: in my lap Danny Joe came to a styling and anyway,
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  Speaker 5: I'm just time to wake up. But she came to
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  Speaker 5: astyling and I was handling the gun and I didn't
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  Speaker 5: realize he was in my lap, right, and it went.
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  Speaker 3: On Clinton record.
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  Speaker 2: That's impossible because if he's holding the gun in his lap,
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  Speaker 2: if he's now sitting behind Diane the victim, correct, he's
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  Speaker 2: sitting behind her, he would have had to be holding
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  Speaker 2: the gun straightforward. It is sleep.
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  Speaker 4: Well, what are the real powerful things that really took
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  Speaker 4: the jury over the edge in terms of knowing that
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  Speaker 4: Tex mcgibre intentionally shot his wife? Was the trajectory and
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  Speaker 4: we've got our panel expert who can speak to that
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  Speaker 4: ballistic term that shows the pathway that the bullet had
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  Speaker 4: to travel, and it was directly through the back of
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  Speaker 4: the seat. His arm would have had to be pointed
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  Speaker 4: directly at her back. And it was totally inconsistent with
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  Speaker 4: the version that he gave police.
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  Speaker 2: So didn't he Joel boys, he was holding it in
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  Speaker 2: his lap sideways kind of that's correct, like you would
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  Speaker 2: hold it laying your light. You're reading a book and
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  Speaker 2: you put the book down, open on, face down on
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  Speaker 2: your lape.
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  Speaker 3: He was holding it like in that horizontal position.
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  Speaker 2: So if he was holding it like that and the
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  Speaker 2: gun went off, it would have gone out the driver's
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  Speaker 2: side back door.
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  Speaker 4: Correct, that's correct, that's correct. That's what he said in
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  Speaker 4: the interview and demonstrated on video with Detective Brett Zimber, who, Nancy,
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  Speaker 4: I know you remember taking vembric very.
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  Speaker 3: Well, great cop, great cop.
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  Speaker 2: So Mike Patchennik joining us veteran journalist, who would believe that?
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  Speaker 2: Didn't he change his story? Mike, there was a pot.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, he was afraid of the homeless people
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  Speaker 2: like they were zombies. He was afraid of Black Lives
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  Speaker 2: Matters protesters, which I don't know that they're protesting at night.
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  Speaker 2: But then he said he hit a pothole. Then he
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  Speaker 2: said that the friend slash driver Danny J. Carter came
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  Speaker 2: to an abrupt stop.
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  Speaker 8: I want to circle back to the pounds though they
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  Speaker 8: required to pull that sugar.
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  Speaker 4: Clinton, Chris, correct me if I'm wrong.
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  Speaker 8: I believe there was testimony a trial that had text
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  Speaker 8: mc iver caught the gun and made it what was
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  Speaker 8: called single action, it only would have required about two
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  Speaker 8: hundred quarter pounds to pull that fire, So six times
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  Speaker 8: less pressure to pull that gun if it were so
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  Speaker 8: called double action. So by that theory, if it did
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  Speaker 8: his lap and he gets jerked away two and a
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  Speaker 8: half down two quarter pounds, that's not a lot of
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  Speaker 8: pressure to pull a trigger and for it to just
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  Speaker 8: go off.
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  Speaker 3: That's a really good point.
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  Speaker 2: What about it, Clint, Well, this is the fundamental.
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  Speaker 4: Point that I made to the jury, Nancy, is that
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  Speaker 4: Tech macgiver was a gun expert. He taught gun safety.
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  Speaker 4: Why would he have his finger on the trigger in
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  Speaker 4: the first place. So what about the poll, Well, if
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  Speaker 4: the weapon was in double action, it requires a little
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  Speaker 4: bit more than twelve pounds to pull it, which is
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  Speaker 4: more than a ten pound bag of sugar. That's a
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  Speaker 4: lot of pressure. In single action it does require substantially less.
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  Speaker 4: But the testimony from Tech macgiva's own mouth during his
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  Speaker 4: videotaped interview was that the weapon was in double action.
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, weapon was in double action.
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  Speaker 4: So that double action from Smith and Weston when we
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  Speaker 4: talked to the action, Holy.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: Moly, wait a minute, I am looking right now at
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: the high rise the luxury complex. They lived in Buckhead
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: at lant That costs some money. Can we talk about
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: also what she Diane endured how many she was shot?
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: Once?
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Right, Clint, that's.
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: Right, and the willet missed her heart by a couple
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: of centimeters.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, listen, I'm gonna go to doctor Michelle Dupree about
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: what happens after she shot and what she said and
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: did in the hospital before she died. But first listen
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: to more of text and mc iver's, well, one of
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: his versions of what happened.
• 20:33
  Speaker 6: We do you remember happen to.
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: Her to come up. I immediately called out, I said,
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: everybody all right? And Dangel said yes, Diane, it was
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: kind of flat. She said, I've been shot worse than
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: that effect kind and I immediately put my arms around her.
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: Try to determine how anyone and I made the best under.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: Emory was not the closest hospital, Mike Jenkitt, But.
• 21:10
  Speaker 8: They could have gone to Grady, which is a trauma one.
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: Er, which anybody in Atlanta knows. That's where you go
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: if you have a gunshot wind.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: You don't go to Emory.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: What the heart wing hgbl N no.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: And they're about six eight blocks ten blocks maybe from Emory.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: They're in the Piedmont Pont's area, right, Clint Rutger.
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: That's right, Nancy. And in addition to graty cropit long
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: is right a couple of blocks away on p Street.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: Okay, you know what, It's just getting worse and worse
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: to me.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: I want to hear what happened at the hospital to
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: Mike Patentic, joining US veteran journalist, founder of Patentic Media Group.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: Mike, is it true that at first she.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: May have thought it was an accident, but then moments later,
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: as she's sinking back through it, she will not let
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: him in the hospital room with her.
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: That's right. She told the nurses. I don't want him
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: back here with me. I don't want him back here.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Well, Clint Rucker, I know you recall when the twins
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: were born. I wouldn't let David leave me. I made
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: him read the Bible the whole time I thought we
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: were all dying, which we almost did. The last thing
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: I wanted him to do was leave.
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, this tells me everything. She would not even
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: let him in the room, right, Nancy.
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: You know it's not unusual for domestic violence victims to
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: warn other people that if they die, it was their spouse,
• 22:47
  Speaker 6: and to not want their spouses around at critical moments
• 22:50
  Speaker 6: like this. You know, to think this clearly, when you're
• 22:52
  Speaker 6: critically mortally wounded, that you don't want your spouse around.
• 22:56
  Speaker 6: You know that thought has been brewing inside of her
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: for a long long time that he could harm her.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Doctor Michelle dupre joining me forensic pathologist, medical examiner, former
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: detective with the Lexington County Sheriff's Department, now author of
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: a best selling book, Money, Mischief and Murder. The Murdoch
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Saga the rest of the story, but what interests me
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: today is the fact that she wrote the homicide investigation
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: field guide, Doctor Duprex, I want you to use all
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: of your knowledge and tell me what she lived through,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: because she was awake, incoherent for a considerable period of
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: time until he went all the way across town, basically
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: to another city, Decatur, to the hospital at Emmy University,
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: which is known for its cancer and heart treatments, not
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: gunshot wound treatments.
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: It's a research hospital.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, she had the wherewithal to tell the nurse,
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: don't let him in the room with me, so she
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: was awake and aware, doctor Duprix.
• 24:08
  Speaker 6: Exactly, Nancy. She felt every single bit of this. And
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: to make matters worse, this bullet, this projectile actually passed
• 24:15
  Speaker 6: through the back seat, which means that that is an
• 24:18
  Speaker 6: intermediary target which expands the bullet, and so that when
• 24:23
  Speaker 6: it actually enters her body, it's larger than it would
• 24:25
  Speaker 6: have been had it not. This was excruciating.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: She must have been in terrible pain, doctor.
• 24:32
  Speaker 6: Dupre Absolutely she felt all of this, and in her.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Last moments she insisted that he be barred from her
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: hospital room. Have you ever heard such a thing, doctor dupre.
• 24:43
  Speaker 6: I have heard it, but it's always been in domestic
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: violence cases or someone who is afraid of that person.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Well, guys, it's not just his crazy theory that correct
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: me if I'm wrong. Clint, please jump in and mike
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: the Senna. You've been on the story since the get go. Guys,
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: he's got a niche. He's going to have a new trial.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Clint works his fingers to the boat, gets a conviction,
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: and now it's being reversed. The judges up in their
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: ivory tower decided rut Row I don't like eat something
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: and have reversed it. This guy is going to end
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: up outsmarting Lady Justice.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: Just listen to me on this.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: In addition to what happened at the time of the shooting,
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: you have got to hear what happens after the sheet
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: and take a listen to our friends had cut twenty
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: three Sidney Summer Crime online.
• 25:42
  Speaker 10: As friends come to offer condolences on the passing of
• 25:45
  Speaker 10: his wife, most expect to see text maciv upset in
• 25:48
  Speaker 10: shock that he accidentally shot his wife, the love of
• 25:51
  Speaker 10: his life, and caused her death. Instead, they find a
• 25:54
  Speaker 10: man who seems more concerned about money. Jay Grover was
• 25:58
  Speaker 10: a colleague of Diane McIvor, and he says within two
• 26:00
  Speaker 10: days of Diane's death, Tex was asking him about his
• 26:04
  Speaker 10: wife's Social Security benefits, wondering if he could collect her checks.
• 26:07
  Speaker 10: Another colleague, Ken Rickert, said Tex asked him about getting
• 26:11
  Speaker 10: Diane's Social Security and complained about his salary being cut
• 26:15
  Speaker 10: at the law firm where he worked.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: At Rucker House.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Soon after he shoots her, dad is he worried about
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: the money right afterwards?
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: It's one of the first conversations he has when he
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: gets home from the hospital with her friends and colleague
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: who are devastated at her death.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: Mclint that's not all.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: What about basically the High Fluton yard sale.
• 26:39
  Speaker 10: Listen while police investigated how Tex mcivor's gun accidentally went
• 26:44
  Speaker 10: off in the back seat, tex McIvor seems to be
• 26:47
  Speaker 10: investigating how to liquidate his late wife's assets. Tex MacIvor
• 26:51
  Speaker 10: organized to sell many of his wife's possessions at an
• 26:54
  Speaker 10: auction as part of an estate sale. MacIvor said he
• 26:57
  Speaker 10: was liquidating things to settle his wife's estate. Mckiver sold
• 27:00
  Speaker 10: everything he could of his wife's clothing, jewelry, furs, hats,
• 27:05
  Speaker 10: just about everything.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: The sale lasted several days.
• 27:08
  Speaker 10: It was later revealed that text MacIver owed his wife
• 27:11
  Speaker 10: nearly three hundred and fifty thousand dollars, which she loomed
• 27:14
  Speaker 10: him for a barn he built on the ranch for
• 27:17
  Speaker 10: guests on their estate.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: A three hundred and fifty thousand dollars barn for guests.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: What did they throw parties and have guests stayed down there,
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: Clint Rucker, they did.
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: It was an outstanding looking facility. It was built in
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: a Western style, just like a saloon on the bottom
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: and had bedrooms upstairs. It was wonderful.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Okay, wait, wait, there was a saloon on the bottom,
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: that's right, and bedrooms upstairs.
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, an old Western style saloon with the swinging doors
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: and the long wooden bar.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: And she was paying for this, and she paid for it.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: It's my understanding, Clint. She didn't even like going down there.
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: She didn't really like going down there. She was a
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: city girl.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: Well, the woman is twenty four seven, three sixty five.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: What's she gonna do sit on the front porch and rock.
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: Well, you know, they like to entertain. So she enjoyed. Okay,
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: that farm from the aspect of being able to host
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: huge parties. They had a huge wine cellar with over
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: twenty thousand bottles of wine.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: Okay, place, what you know you talking to a tea toddler.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: What did you say about twenty thousand dollars bottles of wine?
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: Oh?
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: Yes, Nancy, twenty thousand individual bottles of wine. I believe
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: they inventoried out of the wine cellar at that farm.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: Plant. Did you ever go to the farm?
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: I did visited the farm a few times.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: You have to tell me some more about the farm.
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: What it's about, eighty eight acres. It is surrounded by
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: a Christine White picket fence.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: Just right there. Nobody that sat on a working farm
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: that I know of, anybody has a white picket fence
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: because that takes so long to paint, and you have
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: to paint it like every three or four years because
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: of the weather.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: Anyway, go ahead, go ahead. Eighty eight acres and of it.
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: And it had a huge main house, a pool in
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: ground pool right behind.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Right as opposed to an above ground like so many
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: of us enjoying the south right.
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: I'm not talking about the little plastic pools that you
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: can jump in that fit right above the ground. This
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: was a huge en ground pool that was beautiful. And
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: right behind it was this new barn that they built,
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: which was really a guesthouse in a saloon and a
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: stable for horses.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: Did they keep horses?
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: They kept horses.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Oh man, that'll suck.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: In twenty fifty thousand dollars a year for a horse
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: right there.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they were choking.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: They were choking.
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: How much twenty thousand dollars a month to maintain and
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: upkeep this farm on a monthly basis to include the
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: food for the horse and the cattle.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: Twenty grand a month, that's right, Nancy.
• 30:05
  Speaker 6: If I could make a comment, about this.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I feel like I'm choking right now thanking.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: It just they're just hemorrhaging money for him to have
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: his gentleman's farm and three parties.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: Okay, go ahead, doctor Bethany.
• 30:17
  Speaker 6: Well, to that point, it'd be interesting to talk to
• 30:20
  Speaker 6: her financial planner and see how much was she actually making.
• 30:24
  Speaker 6: Was she saving her retirement or was all of it
• 30:27
  Speaker 6: going towards the gentleman farm. What was she telling her girlfriend?
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: Did she say to them that she was happy to
• 30:32
  Speaker 6: spend all this money or were there any complaints? I
• 30:35
  Speaker 6: think that would be very telling. And I think finally
• 30:37
  Speaker 6: Clint said that or someone said that, you know, she
• 30:40
  Speaker 6: enjoyed spending money.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: I don't remember him saying that. I thought he said
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: she enjoyed having the parties.
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: Oh, I thought it was enjoyed having the party. But Natthew,
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: she was. She was a little with the credit card.
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: We did do a deep dive in the fighting ants
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: for both of them, and we had an expert testified
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: that she spent on average. Get this, Nancy, I'll be
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: sitting down. I better lay down thirty thirty thousand dollars
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: a month or her American Express black card.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: What's a black card. Oh, it's but does that mean
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: no limit?
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: It's no limit.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: Well, listen to May clint Rucker. She was working, so
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: you go right ahead and spend it. He was not
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: could afford.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Isn't there something doctor bethany where people will buy things
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: and it gives them some kind of sense of gratification,
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: whether they need it or not.
• 31:52
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, the research shows that the most gratification
• 31:56
  Speaker 6: occurs the immediate fifteen minutes after you to something, to
• 32:01
  Speaker 6: buy a great blouse, you're happy for fifteen minutes and
• 32:03
  Speaker 6: then it drops off precipitously, so then you have to
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: go and buy something else. And that's how spending compulsions occur.
• 32:12
  Speaker 6: But I think a good point is that she was
• 32:14
  Speaker 6: earning that money, and it'd be interesting to know. Was
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: thirty thousand dollars a month a lot to her? Maybe
• 32:19
  Speaker 6: it wasn't that much, who knows. You'd have to talk
• 32:22
  Speaker 6: to her financial planner get an overall sense of her finances.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: But hey, I bet she paid for everything, all their food.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: She may have even paid that condo mortgage on the Amex.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, or she was one of those.
• 32:36
  Speaker 6: Women I hear this a lot where the man gets
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: the woman to pay everything, but he gets you know,
• 32:41
  Speaker 6: he's a member of her card, like he's another card holder.
• 32:46
  Speaker 6: Oh so then he throws out the credit card at
• 32:48
  Speaker 6: dinner and it looks like she's paying if they're taking
• 32:51
  Speaker 6: a big group of people to dinner, but actually she's paying.
• 32:55
  Speaker 6: So there's all kinds of really nefarious ways that men
• 32:58
  Speaker 6: and parasites get the woman to pay and still maintain
• 33:02
  Speaker 6: their pride.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: And I have somehow driven the bus into the weeds.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: Mike Pagenic, that was me this time, Doctor Bethany. We
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: were talking about the glorified yard sale where he sold
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: all of her possessions, her jewelry, things that mattered to her,
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: all of her designer clothes and handbags. I remember, as
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: a matter of fact, I think it was your old
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: station WSBTV watching them inside this boutique sale. It looked
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: like a warehouse with all of her.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: Beautiful shoes and bags.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: And it was very quickly after she's dead, jewelry, furs, hats, everything, Yeah.
• 33:45
  Speaker 7: And throngs of people showed up to buy this stuff,
• 33:49
  Speaker 7: you know, sort of secondhand, and it was a madhouse.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: You know that reminds me of Mike Pachinic. It reminds
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: me of Drew Peterson. Well, he's been convicted in the
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: murder of Kathleen Savio one while, and I believe he
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: murdered his fourth wife, Stacy Peterson. The moment Stacy goes
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: missing air quotes, air quotes, he gives away lingerie, her swimsuits,
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: her fur coat to his girlfriend. I guess to another
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: woman she wasn't walking back in the front door. Kind
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: of reminds you of Scott Peterson. The moment Lacy went missing,
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: quote quoting, he immediately tries to sell a car and
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: gets the porn channel. This guy, I mean, what does
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: that say? How much did he make off the sale?
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: Mike Patentick, I.
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: Don't have the exact number.
• 34:36
  Speaker 8: I'm sure Clink can tell you that, but I'm guessing
• 34:37
  Speaker 8: in the one hundreds of thousands of dollars.
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: But it wasn't just the money, Nancy.
• 34:41
  Speaker 7: It was his behavior that friends testified to that really
• 34:46
  Speaker 7: was sort of a textbook way that you don't act
• 34:48
  Speaker 7: after your spouse has been, you know, unceremoniously killed.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: What like what what?
• 34:53
  Speaker 8: Patentic just he wasn't distraught. He wasn't emotional. He was
• 34:58
  Speaker 8: just stoic and very calculated. And how he talked about
• 35:02
  Speaker 8: his wife after her death, and that struck a lot
• 35:06
  Speaker 8: of people who testified the wrong way. If my wife
• 35:10
  Speaker 8: were killed, I'd be I'd be a hot mess.
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: Yes, Clinton Rucker, give me an example.
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: Well, I'll give you a really good example. The thing
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: that was so inconsistent was, on the one hand, he
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: would tell people, oh, my goodness, Diane was the love
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: of my life. I don't know how I'm going to
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: go on without her, and then in that same conversation
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: say hey, how much do you think I can get
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: for her fur coat? That kind of inconsistency said to
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: people that he was desperate for money and he really
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: didn't give a dog downe about Diane.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: Well it ain't over yet. Yes, a jury convicted him,
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: but we ain't heard the last of Text mcguiver. Listener
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: our friend Dave mac at Crime on Line cut thirty.
• 35:52
  Speaker 11: After being sentenced to life in prison, Text mcgiver didn't
• 35:55
  Speaker 11: go away quietly. He has always said it was a
• 35:57
  Speaker 11: terrible accident. In June, of the Supreme Court reversed Text
• 36:02
  Speaker 11: mcgiver's convictions because they said the trial court aired in
• 36:06
  Speaker 11: denying his request to charge the jury on a lesser
• 36:08
  Speaker 11: involuntary manslaughter offense.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: So the case has been reversed, Clint Rucker, what do
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: you expect to be done any differently in trial number two?
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: They convicted him on I believe voluntary.
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: He was convicted of felony murder based on the felony
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: of aggravated assault for shooting as well.
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: Yes, so let me think this through.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: For instance, in the murderg trial, if they have any
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: sense at all when they retry that case, if there
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: ever is a new trial, granted which I hope there's not,
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: they will not put his linees self on the stand
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: because that was nail in his coffin. So what do
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: you think if anything will be done differently in trial
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: number two? And they don't seem to be in any
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: hurry to try it either.
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: Well, one of the things that Judge McBurney, the trial judge,
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: ordered the state not to do this time that was
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: done the first time, is to introduce the notion that
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: part of the motivation was the existence of a second
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: will that Diane mcgiver had created in order to ensure
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: that she maintained control of the farm. As well as
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: all her personal assets that can't be mentioned or discussed
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: in the second trial.
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: Who had a second will? Who's second will?
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: Diane Magiver?
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: So if she changed her will to state that what?
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: So there was a will that existed between Diane and
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: Text when they first got married, where they split their assets.
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: Right before her murder, she was talking to lawyers about
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: creating a second will, a different will that would leave
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: her assets to her godson and not to Text. There
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: was a worker at the Cory company who one night
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: says that Diana and actually asked her to make two
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: copies of a document that she glanced that and saw
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: that it said last will and Testament. And so the
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: theory from the state was that there was a second
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: will that Diane mcgib were actually executed and that had
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: gone missing after her death, and that that will will
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: would have shown Diane's true intent to leave all her
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: finances to her godson and not to her husband.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: Well, this is what I know, Clint Rucker. You need
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: to come out of that private practice and get back
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: and ring and retry this case. Ma'am.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: We wait as justice some souls.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Goodbye, sir,