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DIDDY RAGE OVER "TOOTSIE ROLL" CLAIM & PR "FREE PUFFY" TEES REVEAL · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Diddy raging over last week's tout Sea roll reveal as
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  Speaker 2: a PR fail emerges, Shawn Combs's PR team discovered actually
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  Speaker 2: paying off people outside the courthouse to wear free puffy
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  Speaker 2: T shirts. Donald Shard taking the stand testifying that Shawn
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  Speaker 2: Combs threatened we could die for speaking out and defending
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  Speaker 2: Cassie Ventura. This as evidence reveals depraved Ditty constantly carried
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  Speaker 2: Allois Vuitton bag stuffed with cocaine, ecstasy, pot Horse tranquilizer,
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  Speaker 2: and plan Be birth control. Good evening, I mean, it'sye, Grace,
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  Speaker 2: this is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
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  Speaker 2: being with us. Testimony pouring from the witness stand all
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  Speaker 2: day long and joining us outside the courthouse. Lauren Conlin,
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  Speaker 2: investigative reporter star off Pop Crime TV. Lauren, thank you
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  Speaker 2: for being with us. Tell us what's going on in
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  Speaker 2: the courtroom.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, Nancy, it started off pretty interesting this morning with
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  Speaker 3: Diddy's lawyers actually arguing that the case and the witnesses
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  Speaker 3: is becoming more of a gossip chamber of some sort.
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  Speaker 4: They are trying to get some.
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  Speaker 3: Of the chef testimony that's expected to testify thrown out saying,
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  Speaker 3: what does the chef testimony have to do with the indictment,
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  Speaker 3: and the prosecution is saying, well, that has to.
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  Speaker 4: Do with forced labor.
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  Speaker 3: We also saw Don Rochard finish her direct testimony and
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  Speaker 3: get cross examined, and what's come into question Nancy is
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  Speaker 3: all of Don Richard's previous statements to the government as
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  Speaker 3: they appeared to change. And we learn this when the
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  Speaker 3: defense came up to cross examine her, and Don Richard
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  Speaker 3: actually admitted herself that her testimony has changed based on
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  Speaker 3: her memories, specifically after the skillet incident. She testified last
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  Speaker 3: week and today that Diddy and Harve Pierre, one of
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  Speaker 3: his Bad Boy Record executives, actually said to her that
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  Speaker 3: if she told, people go missing if they tell, and
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  Speaker 3: the defense pointed out that she had never said this
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  Speaker 3: to the government, and she admitted that, you know, she
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  Speaker 3: didn't remember, so they are really trying to poke holes
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  Speaker 3: in her statement. Additionally, the government pointed out that she
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  Speaker 3: left after a certain period of time working for Ditty
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  Speaker 3: because she was scared and he had threatened her and
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  Speaker 3: she saw the violence he committed. And the defense said, well,
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  Speaker 3: isn't it true that you texted him to work for
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  Speaker 3: him again, and she said yes, but she said that
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  Speaker 3: she did this for her bandmate Klena Harper at her request.
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  Speaker 3: Now there was what I believe in the big bombshell
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  Speaker 3: and in celebrity names. Don Richard said that at a
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  Speaker 3: dinner they were at in La did he punch Cassie
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  Speaker 3: in the stomach? And there were other celebrities there like Usher.
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  Speaker 3: And additionally, after the government would ask Don Richard about
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  Speaker 3: these different occurrences of violence, they would always make sure
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  Speaker 3: to ask after which of Ditty's employees were present.
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  Speaker 2: You mentioned a quote skillet incident, and this is Don
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  Speaker 2: Rochard recounting when Shawn comes actually bat Cassie venture in
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  Speaker 2: the head with a frying pan.
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  Speaker 1: Could you explain what happened?
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  Speaker 5: Yes?
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  Speaker 3: So Don Richard first testified on Friday that she was
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  Speaker 3: recording music at Ditty's.
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  Speaker 4: La home with her bandmate.
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  Speaker 3: They were in this Ditty Dirty Money group or Dirty Money,
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  Speaker 3: and Cassie was making eggs at the stove. Diddy came
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  Speaker 3: down the stairs and she said that he attacked her
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  Speaker 3: or tried to hit her with his frying pan, and
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  Speaker 3: that Cassie appeared to go down in a fetal position
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  Speaker 3: and then he dragged her up the stairs. Now, Don
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  Speaker 3: Richard during her redirect with the government, after she was
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  Speaker 3: called out for changing her story, she said, without a
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  Speaker 3: doubt that she knows that Diddy hurt Cassie. She was
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  Speaker 3: in the fetal paceition and she saw her get dragged
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  Speaker 3: up the stairs.
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  Speaker 1: A skillet frying pan full of eggs.
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  Speaker 2: Now, you stated Lauren Conlin that Richard has changed her testimony.
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  Speaker 1: I'm very curious changed it. How exactly?
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  Speaker 3: Well, the first thing that the defense points it out
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  Speaker 3: is that she never told the government and I believe
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  Speaker 3: that she had about eight meetings that Ditty never said
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  Speaker 3: to her people go missing, and this is essentially a
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  Speaker 3: death threat.
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  Speaker 4: Additionally, they pointed out that in.
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  Speaker 3: Her civil lawsuit, there was some kind of incident that
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  Speaker 3: was recounted about Diddy dragging Cassie out of a car
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  Speaker 3: onto grass and a lot of people saw, and Don
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  Speaker 3: Richard actually said, oh, that was a mistake that my
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  Speaker 3: lawyers made, and I guess they were referring to another incident.
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  Speaker 4: We learned this in the redirect.
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  Speaker 3: So there was that, and there was a couple other
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  Speaker 3: instances where she left certain.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, wait a minute, Wait a minute, Wait a minute.
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  Speaker 2: So Lauren Conlin. One of the things that the defense
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  Speaker 2: tried to make sound like it's inconsistent was actually another
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  Speaker 2: violent incident.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, that is pertaining to her civil lawsuit, her twenty
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  Speaker 3: twenty four civil lawsuit. But what's interesting is that don
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  Speaker 3: Richard testified that over time her memory has gotten better
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  Speaker 3: because she wanted to suppress a lot of these bad
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  Speaker 3: memories from working with Ditty. She worked so hard to
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  Speaker 3: not remember them, and now you know, she's been working
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  Speaker 3: with the government to remember them.
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  Speaker 4: And Nancy, I want to point something else.
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  Speaker 3: Out that I've noticed about the jury today, because I
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  Speaker 3: feel like I have a good view of the jury.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not sure if they're getting desensitized to some of
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  Speaker 3: the violence that we're hearing about, or they just don't
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  Speaker 3: have a reaction. But I'm really surprised because sometimes I
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  Speaker 3: have to hold my faith still in order to not react,
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  Speaker 3: and they are just, you know, kind of blank. Additionally,
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  Speaker 3: I've seen Ditty today pass numerous notes to his lawyer.
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  Speaker 3: There is a woman doing the cross examination by the
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  Speaker 3: name of Nicole Westmoreland Fell that you know, she was effective,
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  Speaker 3: but in my opinion, she seemed a little bit nervous
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  Speaker 3: this morning. She forgot to say objection at one point,
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  Speaker 3: but again, overall, she's been pretty effective.
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  Speaker 2: Wait wait, wait, the person cross examining forgot to say
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  Speaker 2: objection at one.
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  Speaker 4: Point, she dan.
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  Speaker 3: The judge was like, I think you mean objection, and
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  Speaker 3: you know she went on and this was early on,
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  Speaker 3: so I'm like, oh, she might be a little nervous.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I find it hard to believe a lawyer forgets to
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  Speaker 2: say objection. But that's a whole nother can of worms.
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  Speaker 2: What about the testimony in chief that Rashard describes an
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  Speaker 2: incident where Tom's attacked her because she was trying to
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  Speaker 2: defend Cassie Well.
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  Speaker 3: She says that he verbally threatened her and that he
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  Speaker 3: would always say things like, you know, this is not
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  Speaker 3: your business, stay out of my relationship.
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  Speaker 4: There was something else that she said that hars Pierre, a.
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  Speaker 3: Bad boy executive, and Diddy would.
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  Speaker 4: Both say to her.
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  Speaker 3: It was something like something about people going to dark places.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm paraphrasing here, but you know, if I had
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  Speaker 3: to just kind of put it out there, Nancy, and
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  Speaker 3: you know, maybe you'll see. But I do feel like
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  Speaker 3: the defense really hammered Don Richard.
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  Speaker 2: Did she try to intervene on behalf of Cassie Ventura. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: and last you were just discussing inconsistencies that she had
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  Speaker 2: not used the words did he threatened that or his
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  Speaker 2: hinch person that people disappear when they talk. What phraseology,
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  Speaker 2: if any, did she use when she was talking to
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  Speaker 2: the state.
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  Speaker 3: She left that completely out, but said that Diddy said
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  Speaker 3: to her what you witnessed was passion. Cassie is is okay?
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  Speaker 3: Harry Morgan, Cassie's former best friend, was on the stand
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  Speaker 3: and she testified that after the March twenty sixteen incident,
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  Speaker 3: and this is crazy, she was at Cassie's house. Cassie
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  Speaker 3: walked in with the hood a black eye, put her
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  Speaker 3: back down, appeared to be extremely numb, and then about
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  Speaker 3: thirty minutes later, Carrie Morgan alleged that Diddy showed up
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  Speaker 3: outside the door banging on it with a hammer.
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  Speaker 2: Lauren Colin joining me outside the courthouse. I just want
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  Speaker 2: to nail down one thing, okay. On the stand, Richard
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  Speaker 2: states that she was told people go missing when they talk.
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  Speaker 2: She was cross examined about that phraseology. But isn't it
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  Speaker 2: true that when she interviewed with the state and when
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  Speaker 2: she was on direct examination. She stated that she was
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  Speaker 2: threatened by Combs and his cronies Don Richard.
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  Speaker 3: And this is through the government as well as the defense.
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  Speaker 3: She interviewed with the government multiple times, about seven or
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  Speaker 3: eight times, and she did not say that specific line
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  Speaker 3: about people going missing. It was more general until about
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  Speaker 3: the eighth meeting, the last meeting which occurred in April
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  Speaker 3: or May of twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 1: So she has said, oh, we've really really gone. Oh
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  Speaker 1: I'll gooschase for this.
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  Speaker 2: So she has said that she was told people go
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  Speaker 2: missing when they talk in April or May of twenty five.
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  Speaker 1: She did say that before she took the stand.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, according to the transcripts that she read.
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  Speaker 3: But that goes back to her saying that she tried
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  Speaker 3: to forget these memories and suppress them, and while working
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  Speaker 3: with the government, she was able to recount these memories.
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  Speaker 1: Got it.
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  Speaker 2: Lauren Colin joining us outside the courthouse. Now let's go
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  Speaker 2: to an all star panel.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, Lauren.
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  Speaker 2: Straight out to Josh Ritter joining us, a veteran criminal
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  Speaker 2: defense attorney, former prosecutor, host of Courtroom Confidential on YouTube. Josh,
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  Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. So you say tomato,
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  Speaker 2: I say tomato. She in multiple interviews with the state
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  Speaker 2: prior to testimony, stated that she was threatened with physical
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  Speaker 2: harm if she talked, in other words, told anyone about
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  Speaker 2: Cassie's beatings today. The way she did described it was
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  Speaker 2: people disappear if they talk, people go missing. I don't
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  Speaker 2: say that that says big of a point as the
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  Speaker 2: defense is trying to make it be.
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  Speaker 6: I actually think it is a big point. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: we're talking about prior inconsistent statements, the idea that she
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  Speaker 6: is trying to say that her memory has improved over time.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, I'm no memory expert, but that's laughable to me,
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  Speaker 6: and I think it'll be laughable to a jury. That
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  Speaker 6: is not how memory works. We don't all of a
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  Speaker 6: sudden feel stronger and more detailed about our memories, certainly
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  Speaker 6: over things that have taken place years and years ago.
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  Speaker 6: This is the problem if.
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  Speaker 2: It you know, it's interesting, Josh Ritter, I appreciate what
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  Speaker 2: you're saying. Let me see, Ritter, because I did not
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  Speaker 2: put a lot of stock and repress memories returned until
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  Speaker 2: I was prosecuting in the DA's office, and there was
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  Speaker 2: a brilliant, brilliant woman who became a very very dear
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  Speaker 2: friend in the DA's office, who went on to to
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  Speaker 2: run our appella division, and well into her marriage, she
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  Speaker 2: already had a child. She had repressed memories of being
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  Speaker 2: molested as a child by a family member, and had
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  Speaker 2: repressed it for all those years. And she was just
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  Speaker 2: as down to earth as you or I, just not
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  Speaker 2: fantastical at all. And I've got to say that helped
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  Speaker 2: ruin her marriage because it totally messed her mind up
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  Speaker 2: when these memories came back. Now, when this woman had
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  Speaker 2: a repressed memory return, I realized it was real and
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  Speaker 2: I had poo pooed it for years. In fact, I
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  Speaker 2: want to go to doctor Bethany Marshall on this. I
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  Speaker 2: understand Ritter's skepticism. I get it, Doctor Bethany Marshall renow
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  Speaker 2: it's psycho.
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  Speaker 1: Ali's joining us out.
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  Speaker 2: Of LA She's the author of deal Breakers, and you
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  Speaker 2: can see her on Peacock now. She is at doctor
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  Speaker 2: Bethany Marshall dot com. Dr Bethany, I always blame the questioner.
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  Speaker 2: It's not in my mind that Richard has changed her testimony.
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  Speaker 1: It's that the more she talked about it, the more.
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  Speaker 2: Facts came out if you do a simple what happened
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  Speaker 2: and the person tells you, and then that becomes their
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  Speaker 2: sworn statement, and then later you go, well, what exactly
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  Speaker 2: did he say and what exactly was the threat? That's
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  Speaker 2: the questioner's fault. That is not her fault. But the
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  Speaker 2: defense is going to turn this around on her.
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  Speaker 7: You know, Nancy, the idea of memories is so complex.
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  Speaker 7: It could be that the more she's been questioned, the
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  Speaker 7: more she recognizes the severity of the abuse, The more
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  Speaker 7: she thinks about it, the more she recovers memories of
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  Speaker 7: what happened. But also, Nancy, there's one more layer, and
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  Speaker 7: that is that the way the defense is questioning her
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  Speaker 7: is also abusive.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me also pouring over every word in the courtroom,
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  Speaker 2: Crime Stories, investigatory Sidney Sumner, Sidney, thank you for being
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  Speaker 2: with us.
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  Speaker 1: Sidney.
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  Speaker 2: I understand that after last week, the Tutsie role reveal
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  Speaker 2: when it comes to Shawn Combs's penis, along with the
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  Speaker 2: harrowing testimony on the stand from Cassie, has thrown Shawn
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  Speaker 2: Combs into a rage, and that rage only heightened behind
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  Speaker 2: bars when he was forced to watch a Knicks game.
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  Speaker 2: At one point, he would sit courtside and kind of
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  Speaker 2: help coach. But now he's watching it and sharing the
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  Speaker 2: tiny little screen with his fellow inmates on the cell block.
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  Speaker 2: That only made his rage worse. First, you've got the
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  Speaker 2: Tutsie role reveal. Okay, as if that weren't enough, A
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  Speaker 2: week of harrowing testimony from Cassie Ventura damning him on
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  Speaker 2: the stand.
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  Speaker 5: Now this, yeah, Nancy, watching that next game from a
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  Speaker 5: tiny sco and four north is not the same experience
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  Speaker 5: as being court side. And after listening to Cassy's testimony
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  Speaker 5: all week, he may have been reflecting when he took
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  Speaker 5: her to a game in twenty seventeen. Now, paps caught
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  Speaker 5: them all smiles at that game, but we now know
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  Speaker 5: that that is not the truth of their relationship in
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  Speaker 5: any way, shape or form. And we also see some
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  Speaker 5: interesting things. Not a close family is in court today.
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  Speaker 5: We've seen his mom fix all of his children, who
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  Speaker 5: are old enough to understand what's happening our accompanying his
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  Speaker 5: mother in court every day. One of his pulpses came
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  Speaker 5: to support her son, supporting his dad. And no one
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  Speaker 5: is in the courtroom for him today.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, boohoo.
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  Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall, I want to jump off what Sidney
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  Speaker 2: Sumner was saying. The let me just say, perfect storm
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  Speaker 2: of the TUTSI rall reveal and in the really disturbing
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  Speaker 2: testimony coming from the stand, everybody looking at him sitting
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  Speaker 2: there like he's mister Rogers in the neighborhood as she's
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  Speaker 2: describing rapes, freak coughs, beatings, all.
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  Speaker 1: Of that, and then he's forced to there was a
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  Speaker 1: time when he.
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  Speaker 2: Would basically help coach on the side of the court, right,
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  Speaker 2: and now he's got to watch the news game with
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  Speaker 2: his fellow inmates on a tenC timesie speaking of Edy
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  Speaker 2: BD Diddy an itty bad screen.
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  Speaker 7: In my phil Nancy, we call this a narcissistic injury.
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  Speaker 7: That's when somebody who is used to being inflated, important grandios,
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  Speaker 7: feeling more important than everybody else around them, all of
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  Speaker 7: a sudden has a slight or an injury to their
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  Speaker 7: self esteem. And then when they have a slight or
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  Speaker 7: they feel attacked, they feel deflated. When they feel deflated,
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  Speaker 7: they feel enraged. When they feel enraged, they go on
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  Speaker 7: the attack. And I would guess that even the inmates
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  Speaker 7: where he is are being the brunt of his aggression
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  Speaker 7: because I'm sure he's not happy about this at all.
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  Speaker 2: This is about an enterprise, a group of people flying
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  Speaker 2: in sex workers, drugging women, facilitating videos of them being
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  Speaker 2: rake and sodomized while they're passed out.
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  Speaker 8: The truth of idity is much much more dook.
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  Speaker 2: Evidence pouring from the witness stand and we are allarning
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  Speaker 2: that even when Shawn Combs is arrested, knowing that he
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  Speaker 2: may turn himself in, even that night, when his five
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  Speaker 2: star hotel is rated, it's full a damning evidence.
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  Speaker 9: Listen, Homeland Security special agent you've seen Binda who searched
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  Speaker 9: Shawn Comb's Manhattan Park Hyatt Hotel suite the day of
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  Speaker 9: his arrest. Bottles of baby oil and Loube were scattered
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  Speaker 9: throughout the suite, and a lighting device was found in
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  Speaker 9: the living room. Pill bottles found in a Louis Vauton
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  Speaker 9: toiletry bag contained prescribed for frank black in a pink
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  Speaker 9: powder that tested positive for ketamine and MDMA. A fanny
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  Speaker 9: pack contained nine thousand dollars cash, and Benda said it
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  Speaker 9: appeared a woman was staying in the room with Combs.
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  Speaker 2: That's not all that was found Seawan Comb's planning a
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  Speaker 2: freak off and a five star hotel in Manhattan when
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  Speaker 2: he's arrested. Sidney Sumner joining us, what is astroglide?
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  Speaker 5: Astroglide is lubrication for sexual purposes.
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  Speaker 2: Nancy, Okay, I'm just curious, Josh Ritter, You're so busy
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  Speaker 2: planning how you can destroy Donna Schard on the stand?
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  Speaker 2: How can tear her testimony into shreds?
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  Speaker 1: You tell me?
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  Speaker 2: After all this, and this is after a federal multi
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  Speaker 2: count indictment. There he is the night of his arrest
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  Speaker 2: with a hotel room stuffed stuffed with astroglide, multiple bottles
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  Speaker 2: of baby oil, all sorts of labricants, sex aids, and
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  Speaker 2: tons of cash and drugs. I mean, the man can't
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  Speaker 2: help himself. He is a criminal from the beginning to
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  Speaker 2: the end. This is the night of his arrest.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know where to go with that. It doesn't
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  Speaker 6: look good. You're absolutely right. Here's the thing, though, that
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  Speaker 6: the defense is going to have to continue to hammer home.
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  Speaker 6: And maybe this is becoming a hill too high decline,
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  Speaker 6: but it's the idea that as deviant as this is,
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  Speaker 6: as outrageous as it is, where is the crimes here?
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  Speaker 6: I know we're hearing a lot of testimony about really
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  Speaker 6: kind of sick behavior. But have we heard a lot
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  Speaker 6: about him understanding that consent was not being given? Have
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  Speaker 6: we heard a lot about criminal enterprise? Those are prosecution's
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  Speaker 6: going to have to take.
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  Speaker 2: You're actually making my teeth hurt? Does he understand lack
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  Speaker 2: of consent? According to the state, the women were drugged
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  Speaker 2: out of their gords. Didn't you hear about that Louis
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  Speaker 2: Vuton bag stuffed full of ecstasy, coke, pot Plan B
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  Speaker 2: birth control and I mean just one Plan B birth
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  Speaker 2: control appeal, I mean.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: A whole Louis Vuton bag.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: Sidney Sumner, tell him what was in the Louis Vuton
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: bag that Combs carried constantly.
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: There was quanapins prescribed for Frank Black, which is an
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: alias that comes used very frequently when booking hotel rooms
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: for freak off. And they also found pink powder sometimes
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: referred to as pink cocaine or tulists, and that tested
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: positive for both ketamine and ecstasy.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Joining me now so we can further explain it to
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: defense attorney Joshua Ritter, renowned chief medical examiner doctor Kendall,
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Crown's chief medical examiner, Terren County. That's Fort Worth, Texas,
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: star of a new podcast, A Hit Mayhem and the
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: More are the same lecturer at the Burnett School of
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: Medicine at TCU, Doctor Kendall Crown's. First of all, what
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: is horse shrenk tell me that tell me all about ketamin?
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: But dummy down for me talking regular people talk? What
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: is ketamine?
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: So?
• 20:16
  Speaker 10: Ketamine is an anesthetic. What it does is it induces
• 20:19
  Speaker 10: a trance like state, distorting your perception of sight and
• 20:24
  Speaker 10: sound and your reality around you. It makes you feel
• 20:28
  Speaker 10: disconnected and not in control. So it makes you very
• 20:31
  Speaker 10: easily made to do things that you would necessarily do
• 20:35
  Speaker 10: if you had your wits about you. And it's used
• 20:37
  Speaker 10: to facilitate sexual assault economy.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall crowns. What is clonopin.
• 20:43
  Speaker 10: Clonopin is in the class of benzodiazepines and benzo diazepines
• 20:49
  Speaker 10: produce sedation, hypnosis, or kind of make you feel disconnected.
• 20:53
  Speaker 10: They're usually used to relieve anxiety and muscle spasms or
• 20:57
  Speaker 10: to reduce seizures. That makes you kind of more sedate,
• 21:00
  Speaker 10: more calm, increases your anxiety, makes you forget what's going on.
• 21:05
  Speaker 10: It makes you more susceptible.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: To suggestion straight out to Joshua Ridder or criminal defense attorney.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: I assume you can hear doctor Kimda Crown's speaking, and
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: I want to quote a medical doctor. One of the
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: most common questions about ketamine is was or is ketemine
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: used on horses?
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: The answer is yes.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: So, Joshua Ritter, could you explain to me your nonsensical question?
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Did did he know there was no consent?
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: The women were high on horse traink ketamine, they were
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: using ecstasy, klonipin and more. And why the plan be
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: birth control pills for the morning after a freak cough?
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: You explain that to me and try to square with
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: your question.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Did did he know there wasn't consent? Why do you
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: think he's charged with rape?
• 22:03
  Speaker 6: I want to know from the doctor. Are those recreational drugs?
• 22:07
  Speaker 6: Are they also recreational drugs? Are they drugs that people
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: willingly take because they.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Want Do you think the plan be abortion peel is recreational?
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: No?
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: But I think it might be part of these you know,
• 22:17
  Speaker 6: freak offs.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, because I think you said no.
• 22:22
  Speaker 6: I did say no. Here's here's the thing, though.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Yes you did, didn't you? Okay? No further questions go ahead.
• 22:29
  Speaker 6: The government has got to prove that the nefarious nature
• 22:33
  Speaker 6: of all of these things. Is it a horse drink eralizer? Sure,
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: but he's also a recreational drug. Oh well, then now
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: we got another interpretation of what those narcotics to use for.
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: Is this all part of a party lifestyle? Are they
• 22:47
  Speaker 6: all taking it willingly? That's the problem the government has
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: to come.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Okay, hold on just a moment.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Rob Shooter is joining me, the PR publicist for Seawan,
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: former PR, former PR gury for Sean Combs, and see
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: everything went to crap when you left, host of Not
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Even Nice podcast and author of the four word answer,
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Rob Shooter, question to you, you're hearing about threats from
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: another star, Don Richard on the stand, threats that people
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: disappear when they talk. Did many people surrounding Shawn Combs
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: have to sign an NDA non disclosure agreement?
• 23:34
  Speaker 11: And why yes, absolutely, there are NDAs everywhere. I did
• 23:39
  Speaker 11: not sign one, but lots and lots of people that
• 23:41
  Speaker 11: worked for Puffy did sign NDAs. And this is because
• 23:45
  Speaker 11: he doesn't want the truth getting out, not necessarily about
• 23:48
  Speaker 11: the accusations we are talking about today, but his whole
• 23:52
  Speaker 11: life He's a complete control freak. He decides what's in
• 23:56
  Speaker 11: the media, what's in the press, and what isn't. You
• 23:59
  Speaker 11: don't decide that he does. An example, even though I
• 24:02
  Speaker 11: didn't have an NDA with him, every press release I
• 24:06
  Speaker 11: sent out about Puffy, whether it be playing Broadway, running
• 24:10
  Speaker 11: a marathon, changing his name, he approved. He approved it,
• 24:14
  Speaker 11: and a lot of celebrities sort of glanced at these
• 24:16
  Speaker 11: Pointy did he.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Change his name so many times?
• 24:19
  Speaker 11: Rob get attention, to get attention. We'd literally be sitting
• 24:22
  Speaker 11: in his conference room and he was like, not getting
• 24:24
  Speaker 11: a lot of press this week, Let's change my name.
• 24:27
  Speaker 11: Which is why I have said, and I believe this
• 24:30
  Speaker 11: in a really perverse way, Diddy is enjoying what is
• 24:34
  Speaker 11: happening right now. He has made himself one of the
• 24:36
  Speaker 11: most famous people in the world, and in a sick,
• 24:40
  Speaker 11: perverse way, I think he's secretly enjoying that.
• 24:43
  Speaker 8: We're all talking about.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Rob Shooter joining a star of Notty but Nice podcast
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: and long time p Rgurury to Sean Combs no more,
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: author of the ForWord answer Shooter, what about this pr fail?
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: All we hear all about Diddy's TUTSI role last week?
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: How one rape victim. When he saw that, wasn't as
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: afraid anymore. Then we have damning testimony on the stand
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: just pouring from Cassie Vterial with a jury looking over
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: at him like upos.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Now we hear the latest PR fail where Sean Combs
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: as PR. People are paying just by standers out in
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: front of the courthouse paying them twenty dollars an hour
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: to wear a free Puffy T shirt and the press
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: found out about it.
• 25:35
  Speaker 8: Pathetic but not surprising.
• 25:37
  Speaker 11: It seems to be here that Puffy is really waging
• 25:41
  Speaker 11: a two prong war, a legal war and a PR war.
• 25:45
  Speaker 8: PR is very.
• 25:46
  Speaker 11: Important to Puffy. He has spent a lot of money
• 25:49
  Speaker 11: on publicists and these T shirts. We shouldn't be that surprised.
• 25:52
  Speaker 11: He's done this before. When I was working with him,
• 25:55
  Speaker 11: he was trying to get young people to vote and
• 25:57
  Speaker 11: he came up with these T shirts called Vote or
• 26:00
  Speaker 11: Died that he sold he made money from at his store.
• 26:03
  Speaker 11: So I'm wondering if these T shirts were produced by
• 26:06
  Speaker 11: Sean John his clothing lying. If not, then I do
• 26:11
  Speaker 11: believe that this would ultimately get out. It's an old
• 26:14
  Speaker 11: PR too, It didn't work back then. It's not gonna
• 26:16
  Speaker 11: work today.
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: Excellent?
• 26:19
  Speaker 8: Why are you? Why do you? Why do you feel
• 26:21
  Speaker 8: that way? These are our pad for protesters.
• 26:24
  Speaker 7: You can get twenty dollars.
• 26:25
  Speaker 8: An hour if you wear a T shirt.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: She just got recruited, right, you said, no, it wasn't
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: worth the twenty.
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: No, but like he told me that it's for a
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: Getty coin.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: So oh, I'm not really sure what that is.
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they just tried to get twenty dollars to wear
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: a fridge fucking shirt stopped. I knew I could tell
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: because the lady right there, she just kept convincing me
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: to wear to go wear a shirt. And I'm like,
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: London, that's what.
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: So that's just twenty dollars. And if you guys were
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: do you need twenty dollars? All you have to do
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: is wear free PUMM shirts And you said out yeah.
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: I said, did they see how many hours? Thousand hours?
• 27:07
  Speaker 8: And he told me that they like six two thous
• 27:08
  Speaker 8: yesterday we're standing up.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, how the mighty have sun that's from
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: TikTok At.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Emily knows everything. Rob Shooter or former PR guru too.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Sean comes.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: It's better enough to pay people to wear free puffy
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: t shirts, but then they get busted on it.
• 27:27
  Speaker 11: Humiliating, stupid. This stuff gets as really really quick in
• 27:30
  Speaker 11: the press. But my sources are telling me it's actually
• 27:32
  Speaker 11: worse than what we we just saw but did His
• 27:35
  Speaker 11: team has been trying to convince people to just show up.
• 27:40
  Speaker 11: They want crowds outside this coursehouse. Insiders are telling me
• 27:45
  Speaker 11: that it is really angry that people are not on
• 27:48
  Speaker 11: the streets. His ego was so big, is so big
• 27:51
  Speaker 11: that he predicted hundreds, if not thousands, of people would
• 27:54
  Speaker 11: be outside that court has nobody is really there?
• 27:58
  Speaker 8: That's about a hundred or shooter?
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Oh no, dear, he's really angry this time.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: Oh so he's mad about his TUTSI role, everybody finding
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: out about that.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: He is mad about? What is he mad about?
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: Throngs of people not coming to the courthouse? Did you
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: say thousands? He expected thousands of people to show up
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: outside the courthouse to support him.
• 28:22
  Speaker 8: You better believe it, Nancy. This guy as a huge ego.
• 28:25
  Speaker 11: When I was with him, he wanted crowds everywhere, and
• 28:28
  Speaker 11: we have if we had to pay for them to
• 28:30
  Speaker 11: be there, so be it.
• 28:31
  Speaker 8: He has a lot, a lot of money.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: And how do you find people to come out and
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: fawn over Seancomes?
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: How did you do that? Where did you find them?
• 28:41
  Speaker 11: You could find people that worked at record labels, You
• 28:44
  Speaker 11: could find marketing companies, You could find people that would
• 28:48
  Speaker 11: would find you. You folks to turn up and you
• 28:50
  Speaker 11: pay them and they wear T shirts they come to
• 28:52
  Speaker 11: album signings.
• 28:53
  Speaker 8: This actually might be very unusual in a legal case.
• 28:56
  Speaker 11: But in the music business, when you see all those
• 28:59
  Speaker 11: fans lined outside record stores, quite a lot of them
• 29:02
  Speaker 11: are actually paid to be there. It's called the hype business.
• 29:06
  Speaker 11: It's called the business of illusions, and nobody does it
• 29:10
  Speaker 11: better than did it until now.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Okay, Rob Shooter, do you ever feel bad about everything
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: you did to prop did he up? Oh?
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: That was a lie?
• 29:22
  Speaker 8: And yeah I did.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: I did nothing but a rapist and a sex traffic
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: are according to prosecutors, And you're right in there with him.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 29:29
  Speaker 11: Yeah, well, Nancy, I hope hopefully I wasn't. I've had
• 29:33
  Speaker 11: many nights when I thought about this and questioned my
• 29:36
  Speaker 11: consciousness and what did I see?
• 29:38
  Speaker 8: Did I see any red flags?
• 29:39
  Speaker 11: And so yeah, I think a lot of people today
• 29:42
  Speaker 11: who turned him into a star, turned him into the
• 29:44
  Speaker 11: guy is today have some guilds, hopefully a lot of guilds,
• 29:48
  Speaker 11: and people should say sorry, I have. But I do
• 29:52
  Speaker 11: think too a lot of people that worked with him
• 29:54
  Speaker 11: are going to say this is totally different.
• 29:57
  Speaker 8: I don't agree.
• 29:58
  Speaker 11: The fact that we helped make it into a superstar,
• 30:02
  Speaker 11: helped him become this monster at least act out and
• 30:05
  Speaker 11: get away. It looks like what he did for over
• 30:09
  Speaker 11: two decades.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: You know, Rob Shooter, you and I go way back.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: You know how I feel about you.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Very often, people that I like or respect, or witnesses
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: I've never met, they look back and they think, wow,
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: I should have filled in the blank, or I didn't realize.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: I've said that I didn't realize what was happening. I
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: couldn't see it when you look back, you know, propping
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: him up like you know, you've got a short on
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: the stand describing how she saw Sean Combe's take a
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: frying pan full of eggs and beat Cassie with it,
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: and you know it had to be hot too, but
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: still had the eggs in it, beat her with it,
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: and people described not she had on her head. And
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: then you've got Harry Morgan. I mean, it goes on
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: and on and there's.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Gonna be more. There's gonna be more people. Didn't they
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: see anything?
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Or were they just oblivious, blinded by all that money
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: and power.
• 31:13
  Speaker 11: It's a really good question. I think a little bit
• 31:15
  Speaker 11: of both. I honestly think that I didn't see this,
• 31:19
  Speaker 11: But it was over twenty years ago when I worked
• 31:21
  Speaker 11: with Puff. It was the beginning of the monster. He
• 31:24
  Speaker 11: was just sort of forming himself as the celebrity that
• 31:27
  Speaker 11: he used today.
• 31:28
  Speaker 8: I was with him in the beginning.
• 31:30
  Speaker 11: Now, I don't think people change, but I do think
• 31:32
  Speaker 11: the power that he gained over the years allowed him
• 31:35
  Speaker 11: to become or at least to express those feelings that
• 31:38
  Speaker 11: he had inside. But also don answer. I do think
• 31:42
  Speaker 11: about this a lot. Did I not see stuff because
• 31:45
  Speaker 11: he was paying me a lot of money? Did I
• 31:48
  Speaker 11: not see stuff because I in great restaurants and flew
• 31:51
  Speaker 11: on private planes with him? And I hope the answer,
• 31:54
  Speaker 11: I hope the answer to that is one that I
• 31:57
  Speaker 11: can live.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: With crime stories with Nancy Grace.
• 32:12
  Speaker 12: The defense also questions Cassie on what she meant when
• 32:15
  Speaker 12: she told investigators Colms was acting strangely leading up to
• 32:20
  Speaker 12: and during the rape. Cassie said Colms was acting nice,
• 32:24
  Speaker 12: but strange during their meal before the rape, did not
• 32:27
  Speaker 12: respond to her screams and crimes during the attack, and
• 32:31
  Speaker 12: left without any interaction. Afterward, Anna Stavello asked if Cassie
• 32:36
  Speaker 12: thought combs odd behavior may have been tied to his
• 32:39
  Speaker 12: bipolar disorder, the first time the court has heard about
• 32:43
  Speaker 12: this diagnosis.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: His what.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: Brett Brown joining me, executive director of Surviving Assault Standing Strong.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: It's a nonprofit whose mission is eradicating sex attacks and
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: sex trafficking on women and girls. So instead of putting
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: up a doctor, they get the woman he has beaten
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: for years, according to the State, raped on video, drugged, harassed, threatened.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: They're asking her if he's got a bipolar problem, if
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: he's been is he diagnosed with bipolar? Maybe that's why
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: he raped you. Can you believe asking an alleged rape victim.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Well, wait, maybe he did it because he's bipolar. Are
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: you serious?
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: It's insane.
• 33:35
  Speaker 13: This whole lineup is insane because they're putting both the
• 33:39
  Speaker 13: possibility of bipolar and drug use on her shoulders to
• 33:41
  Speaker 13: decide what state of mind was he in when he
• 33:43
  Speaker 13: committed these heinous crimes. And what's funny to me is
• 33:46
  Speaker 13: they're saying recreational drug use means that he was not
• 33:50
  Speaker 13: responsible for his actions. And in the same time framesane
• 33:54
  Speaker 13: recreational drug use made these women responsible for their actions.
• 33:58
  Speaker 13: And if I remember correctly, the the federal trafficking laws
• 34:01
  Speaker 13: Commercial Sex Act induced by force fraud, a coersion. Doing
• 34:05
  Speaker 13: drugs even recreationally removes your ability to give consent i e.
• 34:09
  Speaker 13: Coercion And if it's in exchange for money, that makes
• 34:12
  Speaker 13: it commercial. So the whole thing is insane.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Two special guests joining us Chris McDonough, director at the
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Cold Case Foundation, former homicide detective for my Purposes, former
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: vice detective. He is the star of the interview Room
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: on YouTube. Chris McDonough, If I'm bipolar was the defense
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: or I was high on drugs and alcohol was the defense,
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: everybody in the NBC would walk that all climbed their
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: bipolar and on drugs and alcohol at the time they
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: rape kill Rob fill in the blank.
• 34:47
  Speaker 14: Yeah, absolutely, Nancy. And doesn't it feel like the Universes
• 34:50
  Speaker 14: on schedule here? You know, I think astro Glide is
• 34:54
  Speaker 14: going to have a whole new meeting in Block four
• 34:58
  Speaker 14: where he's being housed. Were witnessing here is a going
• 35:01
  Speaker 14: out of business sale with the largest pimp in the
• 35:05
  Speaker 14: world disguised as a music mogul. You know, now you're
• 35:10
  Speaker 14: going to put on your past victims to say that
• 35:13
  Speaker 14: you have a mental disorder.
• 35:15
  Speaker 8: It's looted.
• 35:16
  Speaker 14: It's crazy, it's crazy.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: You know. I'm just thinking this through, claiming now that
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: he is bipolar to Rob Shooter, a long time PR
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: guru too, seawan Coin's not working for him anymore. Rob Shooter,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: did you ever know him to be bipolar?
• 35:35
  Speaker 8: No? No, no.
• 35:37
  Speaker 11: Even though I haven't worked with him for a while,
• 35:39
  Speaker 11: I've obviously covett his career.
• 35:41
  Speaker 8: I'm an entertainment reporter. I've never heard of this.
• 35:43
  Speaker 11: To bring it up at this moment, it's so desperate,
• 35:46
  Speaker 11: it's so wrong, it's so silly.
• 35:48
  Speaker 8: I think. I hope the jury will see through it.
• 35:51
  Speaker 11: But it's just another instance that just shows you how
• 35:54
  Speaker 11: clueless he is. And why I say Puffy's clueless is
• 35:58
  Speaker 11: trust me, Puffy is running this defense. He is out there,
• 36:03
  Speaker 11: He's telling his lawyers what he wants. He's not the
• 36:06
  Speaker 11: type of guy to sit back and take advice. He
• 36:10
  Speaker 11: is running the show, and this is the show he
• 36:13
  Speaker 11: thinks is going to get him off.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Hey, Rob shooter.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: There is word from believable sources that he is insisting
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: he is going to take the stand over countful objection.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Do you believe he'll do it?
• 36:29
  Speaker 8: Oh?
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: I only hope he does.
• 36:31
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I think you do, Nancy, And you're absolutely right
• 36:34
  Speaker 11: on a stupid, stupid move. But try telling him that,
• 36:39
  Speaker 11: Try telling him that he shouldn't do this. He's not
• 36:44
  Speaker 11: used to being told No. He could argue, and I
• 36:47
  Speaker 11: would give him some credibility here, Nancy. He could argue
• 36:51
  Speaker 11: he has been a brilliant businessman for the last twenty years.
• 36:54
  Speaker 11: He's made really smart decisions and his bank account seems
• 36:57
  Speaker 11: to prove him right. So it's very difficult having self
• 37:01
  Speaker 11: made people who have made billions of dollars that they
• 37:03
  Speaker 11: are wrong. They don't want to hear it. They're not
• 37:06
  Speaker 11: going to listen. Mindsight is are confirming your reporting, Nancy,
• 37:09
  Speaker 11: that he is he is going to take the start.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: How I love Fiddy aka fifty aka fifty cent.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: He has it out for Shawn comes what he just posted.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: Oh, here is Sean Combs with his former bestie Epstein
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: aka his roomy.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: There.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: Look at these two Fiddy on the war path. Okay,
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: and that's not all. You've got to see another one.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: This is from TikTok At fifty cent. Oh oh okay,
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  Speaker 2: there he goes. Oh wait so okay, I knew baby
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  Speaker 2: oil was going to pop up. Yeah, okay, fitdy, thank
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  Speaker 2: you so much for that. Let's get back to the testimony.
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  Speaker 2: I hope hoop the jury is not questioned and have
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  Speaker 2: to admit that they've been watching Phiddie like I have
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  Speaker 2: been City Sun rejoining me Crime Stories, investigative reporter.
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  Speaker 1: What about Carrie.
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  Speaker 5: Morgan, Nancy, She is a great corroborator for what Cassie
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  Speaker 5: Ventura said on the stand Last week. Don Richard had
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  Speaker 5: a little bit of trouble with the defense attorneys pointing
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  Speaker 5: out inconsistencies in her story. But Morgan is very very believable.
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  Speaker 5: As she first told prosecutor, she doesn't want to be here.
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  Speaker 5: She's only here because she's been subpoenas so. Morgan has
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  Speaker 5: testified to two instances where she watched Sean Combe's attack
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  Speaker 5: Cassie Ventura, and Morgan says he was perfectly sober during
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  Speaker 5: both of those instances, and she also testified to when
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  Speaker 5: Combe's hit her in the face with a wooden hangar.
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  Speaker 5: She was staying at her friend's house. She was saying
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  Speaker 5: with Cassie Ventura. Cassy was in the bathroom and Comb's
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  Speaker 5: bursts into the apartment, upset, saying things about Cassie cheating,
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  Speaker 5: and he strangled her and then threw a wooden hanger
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  Speaker 5: at her face, and Morgan says she went to the hospital.
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  Speaker 5: She had a concussion. She vomited several times after being
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  Speaker 5: hit in the head so hard, and she went to
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  Speaker 5: Coles and Kathie and said, look, I don't want to
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  Speaker 5: take this to court, but we need to settle this.
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  Speaker 5: So she received thirty thousand dollars from Combs in Ventura,
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  Speaker 5: she signed an NDA, and she never spoke to her
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  Speaker 5: best friend again after that.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Chris mcdona and I'm going to go to
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  Speaker 2: Joshua around this. I actually like a witness that doesn't
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  Speaker 2: want to be there because they don't have a dog
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  Speaker 2: in the fight and the skin in the game. They're
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  Speaker 2: not pro Sean Combs, they're not pro Cassie Ventira. They're
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  Speaker 2: not waving the fly. They're like, I'm here because they
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  Speaker 2: got subpoened. I don't want to be here, but this
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  Speaker 2: is what I saw.
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  Speaker 1: That's a good witness.
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  Speaker 14: Yeah, that's a great witness, Nantia, And I think what's
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  Speaker 14: really exciting about that is to see these victims empowering
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  Speaker 14: them els and taking back that emotional manipulation and control.
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  Speaker 14: And that's what's happening in this particular testimony.
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  Speaker 2: Guys, right now, we not only remember, but we acknowledge
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  Speaker 2: American heroes, typically women from every corner of our great country,
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  Speaker 2: that come forward and speak out against rape, against sex, trafficking,
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  Speaker 2: against abuse, even though they are facing horrible odds, possibly retribution,
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  Speaker 2: possibly losing their job, possibly losing their career, but coming
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  Speaker 2: forward and speaking the truth to all of you witnesses,
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  Speaker 2: all of you victims. We salute you, and please never
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  Speaker 2: be quiet. Thank you to our guests, but especially to
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  Speaker 2: you for being with us. Nancy Grace signing off, I'll
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  Speaker 2: see you tomorrow night, sixteen nine o'clock sharp Eastern, and
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  Speaker 2: until then, good night,