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TSH Ep. 13 - Josh. Freaking. Dobbs. · The Skol Hop

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All right, Hey Vikings fans, welcome into another episode of the School Hot
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I'm Evan and I'm Austin. We're just a couple of dudes from Iowa.
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We like drinking beer. I like talking about the Minnesota Vikings. We do.
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And it's for a lot of this season only one of those things has
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been consistently fun. But for the last month or so, both of those
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things have been consistently fun. Five in a row, five, four in
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a row, four five out of the last six. Sorry, oh that's
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that's a great place to be. Yeah, it's fun. It's really fun,
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especially when you don't don't care anymore, which we were getting close to
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apathy. Oh yeah, and now we're back, baby, Now we're gonna
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care when they lose. Oh yeah, well, we got to talk about
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what we're drinking today. We do. Would you just look at this beer?
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You could look at this beer if you follow us on TikTok, because
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we do like a pre show first taste of every beer. You can also
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look at this beer the entire episode because we posted up on YouTube. Now
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that's right, which is pretty awesome. So if that's how you like your
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podcast, we're there. But yeah, this beer is amazing, So what
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are we drinking? Maybe you should announce it today. Well, here's why
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I chose this beer. I brought the beer today, thank you. And
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I got to thinking, you know, we've had a lot of really great
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beer. This is our thirteenth episode, So this is the thirteenth different beer
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brood in Iowa because we exclusively drink Iowa brewed beer on the podcast. Yeah,
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and so I got to thinking, you know, I'd really like to
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be a little more intentional and have a little bit more of a purpose behind
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the beer that we drink. So we've had Millstream before we have we had
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their October Fest. I don't know. A handful of episodes ago really good.
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They're based out of a Mana, which is just, you know,
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one hundred miles west or so of where we're from. But I started to
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dig a little bit. I started to do some research, and I wanted
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to know the history of beer in Iowa. Ooh, okay, So I'm
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going to give you a Jordan Addison number of tries? Three tries? Did
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he wear seventeen in college? Can I have that? I don't know.
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I don't know who he were. He had seventeen you're gonna get three right
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now to guess what the interesting fact about Millstream is in terms of the history
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of Iowa beer. All right, so my first attempt, it's I'm just
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going to take the low hanging fruit. Guess were they the first brewery in
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Iowa? You're close? Oh okay, close, but not quite hmmm.
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Man, And there's some history that. I mean, we could really go
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deep if we wanted to go on a history lesson here. We don't have
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to, that's fine. Oh man. First, well, they weren't the
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first brewery. That's the only guess I have. Are they the Well,
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if they were the oldest, then they would also be the first. Well,
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I think you need a little history here to fill in the blanks.
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Before Iowa was a state, there were several breweries that opened. There was
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actually one here in the Quad city area in Davenport that was prominent de but
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had one, and Iowa City actually had quite a thriving beer industry. And
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this was all prior to Iowa's statehood. Oh okay. And then when Iowa
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became a state, prohibition took over very quickly and almost all alcohol was outlawed
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period. And then there was a huge surge of German immigrants, and so
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they started to relax on alcohol laws a little bit, mostly with wine and
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beer, but the harder stuff was kind of off limits. And then,
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of course, like nineteen nineteen, the whole country was under prohibition. There
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was no alcohol really anywhere legally. And then at some point down the road,
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Iowa put out this five percent rule that if you were going to brew
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beer in Iowa, it could not exceed five percent alcohol, and that wasn't
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lifted surprisingly until twenty ten. Wow. I know a lot of states still
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have certain percent rules on different kinds of beers. So I didn't know that
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about Iowa. Wow. So I'll just I'll spoil it for you because you
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give me the detail. You're kind of circling around it. Millstream is the
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oldest active brewery in the state of Iowa. They weren't the first, necessarily,
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but the first breweries of Iowa are long gone, and I don't know
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if somebody out there knows more of the history. We would love to know.
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I would love to Maybe Millstream knows Millstream let us know. Yeah,
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Millstream, if you got any more background on that, hook us up,
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give us some deets. But Millstream nineteen eighty five is when they were founded.
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They are the oldest active nineteen eighty five, nineteen eighty five, so
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they were brewing beer, but that it had to be under five percent until
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twenty ten. Interesting, and that's when beer makers were allowed to exceed that
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five percent mark. And that's really when you see the boom in craft breweries
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around Iowa. Yeah, sweet, I like it, and this one particularly,
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which is have we even said what we're drinking. It's the Shield Brow
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and Brow Amber yep, the Vienna Starer. It's very good. We gave
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a little bit of opinions on it in our TikTok. But you mentioned the
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five percent rule. This one is four point nine percent at least as labeled,
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so they're following the rules and I know you can get pretty accurate on
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that percentage. So good job, Millstream. This beer is delicious. I
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can't wait to sip on it the entire podcast and everyone else. If you
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are able to find this beer, you definitely should because it's really good.
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It's got the skull Hop stamp of approval stamped. Sweet. All right,
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we'll talk about a little bit more too at the end. See what we
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feel like after a couple for sure, for sure. But at the end
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of what what else do we talk about? We got to talk about this
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game? Are you sure? Do we have to? Are you sure?
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There's really only three words that you need to say about the game against the
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Falcons? And we haven't talked about this, But can I have one guess
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at this? Go ahead, Josh freaking Dobs, you are correct them.
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Those are the three words school We need to We need to scroll that.
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He does he even know what the school chant is? I don't know.
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That's a good question. I'm sure he does by now. He's gonna find
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out if he doesn't on Sunday, Oh my gosh, he probably heard it
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a little bit. And I guarantee there's something I saw Ringy Mass eighty four
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on TV? Did you I did in one of the back of one of
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the end zones. This was our first game watching together. Yeah, Season
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in your Basement. Put out a couple of tiktoks. That was fun.
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That was a lot of fun. We put down a few beers and that
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was fun too. Oh yeah, we didn't stick to the the Iowa brewed
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beer rule. But that's only on the podcast. It's only for this that's
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only for right here. We did drink the Kinship the Amber Lager, so
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that was good. It was a fun game to watch another Amber beer for
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you. Yeah, you like these Ambers. You're trying to get me to
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like them, and it's kind of working. So it's kind of my lane.
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Man, that's what I like. Well, you get to like what
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you like. I really like I p as so. I like a beer
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that tastes like beer, you know, yeah, so, and a lot
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of people want a beer that doesn't taste like beer, and I know those
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people are kind of weird. That's my wife right there. She doesn't want
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a beer that tastes like a beer. She'd rather drink water. But yeah,
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this game, this game was so much fun. Well, it started
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off really frustrating and unexpected because Jaren Hall is the starter and rookie drafted in
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the fifth round this year, sat behind Kirk Cousins has been in the quarterback
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room since April. And I think I felt confident. I know you felt
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confident. I think the coaching staff felt confident that he was the guy.
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And we went three and out in the first drive. But then that second
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drive he looked really really good. Yeah, what was his stat line.
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Do you remember in that I think he had something like seventy yards passing,
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Yeah, and I think he was like, what five of six or six
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or seven? He only missed once, if not for a little bit outside
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throw to was it TJ yeh of the first I think you're right, first
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and goal plays that they had, he kind of overthrew TJ a little bit.
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If not for that, he'd have a touch he'd had a touchdown and
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he wouldn't have gotten injured a play or two later and probably would have played
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some more. But even his first drive, the three and out drive to
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open the game, he ended that on third down rushing for around ten yards.
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He almost got the first down rushing, he looked pretty good. He
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looked mobile, and obviously in that second drive he looked really good too.
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It's a bummer that we didn't get to see that extent. Hope he's okay,
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and there will be some question marks here in the future when he's you
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know, past the concussion protocol, especially depending on how Josh freaking Dobbs the
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pastronaut, especially how he looks, because if Josh Jobbs comes out against the
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Saints and looks the same and or better, than he did against the Falcons,
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But we don't have any questions, like, you don't you don't take
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that hot hand out, you keep rolling with Josh Dobbs. However, if
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Dobbs comes out and looks shaky and not great, hopefully that's not the case,
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then we do have some questions because hopefully this concussion of Jaron Hall is
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not a huge deal. But yeah, if Jaren Hall's not concussed anymore and
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Dobbs kind of comes out and looks a little shaky, then we have a
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whole podcast, a whole week where we're kind of talking like who starts,
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what do we do? What should we do? We're not there yet.
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Well you were, I mean, before before the game had even ended in
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Atlanta, you were telling me like, well, Jaren Hall starts next week.
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He starts next week, Like he's the obvious starter. I mean,
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obviously, his injury, his concussion has dictated as it should. There got
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by healthy. He's got to be okay. Yep, And you know,
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I think it was a pretty easy decision for Kevin O'Connell. But let's say
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that next week, let's say this hypothetically speaking, Dobbs comes out and he
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doesn't play great, but he also doesn't take a safety in the end zone
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like he did on his first drive and fumble the ball in the next two
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drives. Like you know, he plays okay, but he doesn't play lights
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out. You know, who do you go with at quarterback in that kind
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of scenario. That's where I'm thankful I don't have to make that call in
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that scenario. Truthfully, me, Austin as a fan, fully trust the
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coaching staff in whatever they do. You know, just me kind of thinking
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about it and what makes sense. I thought the whole time, Jaron Hall
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made the most sense because, like I said, he was drafted in April,
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he's been with the team since then. He theoretically should know the playbook
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a little bit more, definitely knows names of guys. And that's by no
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means cutting down Josh Dobbs. I love Josh Dobbs. He was amazing,
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and if he's the if he's the better quarterback Dobbs, then absolutely you go
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with a better guy. But it just made sense to me to stick with
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Hall because it just seemed like he would be the better option. But again,
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I'm fully okay with whoever they put behind there. I'm not gonna be
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one of those guys. It's like, no, I hate Josh Dobbs because
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he's not the guy that's been here since April. If the coaches are good
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with him, then I am too, especially if it looks okay, if
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they're playing all right, I'm not gonna be the first one to say,
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oh, Dobbs through his first interception, take him out, like, come
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on, trust the coaching. Well, the good thing is both of them
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looked good. Granted, the sample size for a Hall has been pretty small.
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Very Yeah. We had you know, I don't know what two three
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drives maybe at Green Bay and then the first two drives at Atlanta, so
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you know, his sample size is small. But he's got some reps now
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in real games, not preseason. And I mean, obviously Dobbs came in
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and after he kind of brushed off those early mistakes, he was lights out.
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He was the leading rusher on the team. He threw for a touchdown.
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Yeah, he threw a two point conversion, and he just looked like
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he was in command, which is crazy to think because he had no idea
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who any of these guys were. Yeah, I mean, I feel like
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if you followed the team at all. You probably heard this at this point,
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but Dobbs and Koc were communicating the whole time, as every quarterback and
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coach do you throughout the game. But it was to the point that,
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if I'm understanding the situation, right, Koc was in the headset and in
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the huddle. He was saying, Okay, Josh, tell the huddle these
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words, tell them this play, and he just like word vomited, you
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know, exactly verbat him what he hearing. And then when they broke and
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as Dobbs was walking up to the center to be in the shotgun or whatever,
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KOs was like, all right, here's what that play means. Like,
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right, he's gonna run a hitch router. He's gonna run this route
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and there might be open because there's a single high safety or whatever. Here's
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what you might see. Here's your first read. Like that is insane to
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me. And you know, obviously we're just a couple of dudes and I
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we don't know a whole lot. So maybe that's how it goes a lot
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of times. But just the way that that story has been getting out there
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so much, it's gotta be a crazy thing. And I think even Matt
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Sanchez, Matt Sanchez, Mark Mark Sanchez, Geez, have another one,
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Austin. He even said something in the media this week that like that scenario
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kind of happened at one point too when with Sanchez with Kevin O'Connell in in
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Washington. Washington. Yeah, I saw that because they had been teammates to
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get there in New York and a kind of similar situation kind of happened KOs
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he was translating the play as he was walking up to the center. That's
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just crazy to me. And to be able to like execute one thing that's
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huge and it's only going to be helpful throughout Dobb's career is that he is
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mobile. So it's not like once a defensive lineman or linebacker got within five
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yards he was dead to rights because he could kind of move around. And
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we saw that a couple of times. I mean, he rushed for a
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touchdown that at the beginning to play, you didn't think that was going to
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happen. He kind of reminded me of like a young Russell Wilson almost.
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Yeah, like great pocket presence, can throw the ball, is smart,
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knows how to read the defense, but man if things fall apart, he
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can get out of it and he can use his athleticism and his speed and
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create plays. And he did that countless times. I think he rushed on
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third or fourth down multiple times. Yeah, and got the first on his
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feet. I wrote down his rushing and passing stats. So he Josh Dobbs
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right now is the third leading rusher on the Vikings this year, for the
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whole season. For the whole season, he's got seven carries for sixty six
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yards in a touchdown. It's wild. And he's tied for first in rushing
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touchdowns on the team, the other one being now injured reserved Cam Akers.
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And he is second on the team in passing yards, which that's not crazy
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surprising because Kirk has been the guy the Laron Hall hadn't played as much as
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he has. Yeah, at this point Hall only has or Hall doesn't even
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have as many passes as Dobbs does. Now, Dobbs was twenty for thirty
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one hundred and fifty eight yards and two touchdowns and very importantly no interceptions.
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That one weird there was that one weird one where it looked like his arm
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was coming forward but the ball got batted and it didn't even hit the ground.
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It just went right to a defensive lineman. Yeah, so I in
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my mind, I think, well, obviously it was labeled as a fumble
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because I looked up the actual stats, but immediately I knew, like once
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you saw the replay, it like got knocked out of his hand when he
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was starting to pull it back. So it was not a pass either way.
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It's turnover. And I think he had three fumbles in the game.
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He recovered one of them. He recovered one of them. But what do
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you expect for a guy that, I mean, like I think I saw
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today his car finally made it to Minneapolis today on Wednesday. Well, think
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about this, can you imagine not? I mean, he didn't even take
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any practice reps throughout the week. So walking up under center and touching Garrett
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Bradbury's butt for the first time, like, hey man, nice to meet
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you. Let me just put my hand right here. Well, and he
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put out his own TikTok, which I don't know if he does his own
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or if he's got a guy or whatever, but it was in that TikTok
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was a clip of the Pat McAfee show, and they're talking like, yeah,
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like fifteen seconds before he goes out there, he's got the whole offensive
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line around, lineman around him, listening to what his cadence sounds like,
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Like it's just crazy and hopefully it wasn't just like an adrenaline filled lights out
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pass out game, you know, and it's not why can't I think of
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words? It's not they can't do it again, But you gotta think it's
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only gonna be better, Like he's only gonna be more comfortable and probably doesn't
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need one hundred percent of the plays like translated to him as he's walking up
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to the center. Maybe that's still probably gonna be something they utilize a lot,
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Oh yeah, for sure. Which if it works, do it even
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if I mean, if you're Kirk and you've been here forever and that's the
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best way to do it, do it. Like, if it works,
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who cares what the what the thought process is outside of the building, Just
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go for it. We should at some point, maybe not on this episode,
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but talk about college football utilizing similar radio devices in their helmets because the
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whole Michigan scandal right now, oh yeah, is kind of blowing up.
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And that's that's been something I've heard countless times on all of the news outlets.
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It's just like, well, if college football would just utilize the radios
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and the helmets like the NFL does, then we wouldn't be talking about this.
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That's a good talker. Maybe we could if we have Forest on again,
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which I think, I mean, you know, on show production meeting
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here, I would like to have Forest on again. We got another Bears
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episode coming up, so you just have them on every time the Bears play.
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I'm okay with that. Forest. You're listening. You always are.
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We love you. You're gonna be on for the next Bears episode and maybe
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the bye week and definitely in the off season for draft talk and stuff.
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But anyways, yeah, I think that you're probably like the if everybody has
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the helmet radio capability, everybody should be using it. Like as long as
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it's not you know, a competitive advantage or disadvantage to either team, Like,
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if everybody's using it, everybody should, right. But anyways, Yeah,
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I'm still amazed at what happened on Sunday. I've watched I haven't watched
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the whole game like you have, but I've watched all of the stuff that
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the Vikings have put out on YouTube and Twitter and stuff like that, and
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just every time I'm just like, man, how did that even happen?
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Like what I mean, at one point, we're sitting on your couch thinking
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like, well, it's a good season. I mean, you could probably
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attest to this. When Jared Hall went down, I was pretty quiet for
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yeah, yeah, Like I was pretty negative. And I even just thought
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about this yesterday when I was watching the game back when John new Smith had
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that crazy screen touchdown that he ran like the whole length of the field and
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scored a touchdown and then he he hit the tunnel and he just slipped down
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and he looked like he was okay, but he was still funny to watch.
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You were like, oh, he slipped down hot, like any normal
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person would laugh at a funny physical thing like that. And I was just
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sitting there like whatever, they just scored a touchdown. The baking's gonna lose.
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This whole thing is stupid. I miss Kirk, I miss Jared Hall.
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I was just so negative about it, and you're laughing in a funny
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thing, and you did laugh eventually, it took you a minute or two.
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In the moment, I was like, I'm being a jerk. I
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need to Okay, when you watch the replay, then you're like, all
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right, that was kind of funny. It was funny, and it's it's
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funny because he's okay, But like, did you see on that play John
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new Smith? I think for the whole week in the NFL he was the
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fastest clocked player in the NFL twenty one point something miles an hour, like
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last week. No, he ran faster than he did on that play.
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He's a tight end. Like, good for him. Yeah, No,
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Scott's fast, easy, he has Johnny Smith. Let's get off on a
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tangent. He's been an underrated dude his entire career. I've had him on
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fantasy teams. I don't know anything about him personality wise, but like football
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wise, when he gets opportunities, he balls out like he's great, and
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especially on a team with Kyle Pitts, who has been kind of the opposite,
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like he's been overhyped and underperforming his whole career. It's funny you say
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that because I teach high school and there are a bunch of high school boys
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in my class today talking about their fantasy rosters, and one kid was like,
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yeah, I had Kyle Pitts on my team and I just looked at
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him and I'm like, dude, Kyle Pitts played terrible this last week.
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He's like, yeah, I know. I think I'm gonna drop him from
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my team, Like that would be a wise decision. He just Kyle Pitts
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in college was legit, like just the size and speed and production. He's
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amazing. He just hasn't turned it on in his NFL career. And at
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one point, I think he caught the ball for a good catch, and
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I think I turned to you, like, oh, this is the game
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that he turns out to be this Hall of Fame tight end, because of
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course it is against the Vikings. I don't he didn't do much other than
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that, but I think I saw something. Either Paul Charchion tweeted it or
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he retweeted it. It was this long tweet about like the Vikings aren't great
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against tight ends, and he's actually gonna be playing with Heineke, who's a
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quarterback he utilizes tight ends, and everything set up for Kyle Pitts to have
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a great game, so of course Johnny Smith is going to have a great
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game. And it was this whole like, yeah, Kyle Pits can't do
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anything, so Johnny Smith is gonna do what the tight ends should do.
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I dropped my paper. Sorry, you can get it all right. I'll
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ask you a question while you're getting that. Okay, So speaking of kind
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of like, will Kyle Pitts turn out to be great or not? Josh
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Dobbs, what do you think? I mean, is he gonna come out
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and play like he did against Atlanta or is it gonna be kind of a
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different story? What are what are your predictions for this next week? I
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want to start off my answer by saying, I hope he's really good,
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and if he continues to be good, I'm not gonna crap on him just
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for the sake of crapping on him, because I hate the quote unquote fans
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of a team that always finds something wrong with what they perceive to be a
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bad aspect of the team. If Josh Doabbs keeps balling out, I'm super
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excited, even to the point that look at what Gino Smith. He kind
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of resurrected his career a year or two ago with with the Seahawks. Yeah,
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he got a late you know, journeyman payday and he's doing okay.
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I mean, he's not MVP but he's doing okay. So I hope Josh
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Dabbs is the answer, and I hope he keeps bowing out. I don't
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predict that to happen. Just look at his whole career. He's either been
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a backup or a spot starter, and he's never been you know, like
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he was this week the NFC Offensive Player of the week, Like this week
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was awesome and a lot of fun. And I want to keep it rolling.
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And if he keeps playing great, let's go. I just if I
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had, if I was a you know, betting on the outcome of the
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next few years of his career, I wouldn't put a lot of money on
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the idea of him being a pro Bowl level quarterback for the Vikings and making
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it so the Vikings don't draft a guy this April. Again. I want
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that to happen. I want him to be good. I want I want
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him to be the savior and lead us to the Super Bowl. I just
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I don't think it'll happen. I think he is I don't even know.
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I think he is like the the backup savior to come in and kind of
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give you a little bit of mobility and give you a little bit of excitement
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when you need it. But I don't know if he can sustain it.
26:14
This is just a thought that popped into my mind while you were saying that.
26:18
I wonder if, because we're gonna play the Saints this week down the
26:22
road, like next season, Kirk comes back, we get him back on
26:26
a you know, one year, two year extension whatever. He's healthy,
26:30
he's playing like he was before he went down a couple of weeks ago in
26:34
Green Bay. What would happen if Josh Dobbs kind of plays that Taysom Hill
26:40
role. Yeah, I see that. I mean, I know what you're
26:44
getting at, because he's got the mobility and he's a little bit more sarted
26:49
to do though maybe, but like I don't it's not a knock on Taysom
26:53
Hill. Yeah, sure, breaking news. Evan thinks Taysom Hill is done.
27:00
Just kidding. I don't know. I kind of roll my eyes at
27:03
that kind of a role on a team, like because I don't think Taysom
27:11
Hill has equated into wins, like having that gadget guy that comes in.
27:17
I think it only adds like like an annoying thing in your playbook or on
27:22
your team that you feel like you have to utilize and maybe you know,
27:26
I want to force that utilization. Plus, I don't think I don't I
27:30
don't know what kind of hands Josh Dobbs has as a receiver. He's taller,
27:34
but I don't think he's much of a like blocker. I think he's
27:38
definitely a quarterback. He's in the position that best suits him. But I
27:44
don't know. You never know. If if Koc, who I trust in,
27:48
if he finds that role to be intriguing and something that could equate to
27:52
wins, then let's see it, Like you can always give it a shot.
27:56
At the very least, crazy, he has something to play with when
28:03
it comes to the off season and free agency and all that. Right,
28:07
Like, I've seen a few tweets now that have said, like, yeah,
28:11
like he plays well the rest of this year, Kirk comes back and
28:15
it's time for the Vikings to move on from Josh Dobbs could be some really
28:22
good trade bait or you know depending. I mean, I don't know what
28:26
his contract looks like. I'm assuming it's a one year deal. It's gone
28:32
to I dropped the darn paper again. But yeah, I mean they could
28:37
they could try to do something plus I mean, if he keeps playing well,
28:42
he could play himself into another contract, whether it's a starter contract or
28:48
we still want you on the team, especially just because we have so many
28:51
unknowns with Kirk. I'm a big Kirk guy, and if he's healthy,
28:55
then run it back. But there's a lot of unknowns with Kirk too,
29:00
Like he's getting older. That's a that's not a laughable injury, like coming
29:03
off of really serious injury. Yeah, But also I don't think it's and
29:07
I'm kind of talking out of my butt right now, I don't think it's
29:11
on like his planting foot. And Kirk's not known to be super mobile anyways,
29:15
So you're not talking about like Michael Vick losing his running ability. You
29:19
know, you're talking about Kirk, who he's more of a pocket guy anyways.
29:23
He's been mobile at or he has shown that kind of ability. Sometimes
29:29
he's hesitant to be, but he can be. But he's not somebody that
29:32
you draft in fantasy because, oh, if you can't pass it, he's
29:36
able to throw it. Josh Doabbs definitely seems to have been able to showcase
29:40
that ability more sixty six yards on the run and it's not like they I
29:45
don't think they designed any quarterback runs against the Falcons, but it could be
29:51
interesting. How could they design any quarterback runs they didn't know that he was
29:53
going to be playing. The whole design went out the window when Jaren Hall
29:57
got that uh got that concussion, which again I hope he's okay. I
30:03
hope we're talking about well, actually I hope not. Never mind if because
30:06
if we're talking about, like we WI should we put your and all again,
30:08
that means Josh Doabbs hasn't played well, which I hope he plays well.
30:14
I want I want stability. I don't want to have to go through
30:15
a couple of losses to find out you should have been starting a different guy.
30:22
I don't know. He's definitely an option you would think come off season
30:27
signing another contract time. Dobbs would be open to signing with the Vikings again
30:32
unless some other team is like, oh, we need him. We're gonna
30:34
throw like what the Broncos did with Case Keenan, We're gonna throw twenty million
30:38
a year at him, which at that point, like you gotta do what
30:42
you gotta do. You gotta make up your money. So I don't know,
30:45
it's it's kind of exciting to have this like unknown about that position for
30:52
the Vikings. That's scary, but it's exciting because the last five years we've
30:59
known, or however many four or five or six years, was his sixth
31:03
season with the Vikings, Kirk's our guy, Which that's that's a blessing to
31:07
know, like, all right, curse our guy. He's not gonna get
31:11
injured, you know, like we people have had problems with his contract,
31:15
but whatever, it's not their money. But this is kind of fun to
31:21
think about. What could happen? Do you draft a guy? Does Dobs
31:23
kind of play well enough to make you reconsider drafting a guy? I don't
31:27
know? And I think the great part about all of it is the culture
31:34
that Kevin O'Connell has created in the locker room. And it's not just him,
31:41
it's all the other guys that are buying into the culture that he's wanting
31:45
to establish. I think. I think on any other team, you know,
31:52
if if your MVP caliber quarterback goes down like Kirk did, and you
32:00
trade for a guy minutes before the trade deadline, bring him in. Your
32:05
other backup goes down, you bring in the other guy, it probably doesn't
32:10
end like it did for the Vikings, and I think a lot of that
32:14
has to do with the culture. I mean, you watched. I watched,
32:17
and I think you watched too, all of the like kind of like
32:22
sideline video from the weekend from Sunday and you just see the brotherhood and not
32:30
just talking about Josh Dobbs, but like all across the board, like dudes
32:35
are making plays on the field and everybody regardless of position, is high fiving,
32:39
celebrating, and I don't know what it's like in those tough moments,
32:45
like when Josh Dobbs took the safety on his literally like third play as a
32:51
Viking or whatever. It was like. I'm sure there were some frustrations,
32:55
but I don't think it was like Kirk and Zimmer getting into a shoving match
33:01
type. I want to know what that was all about. I think about
33:05
that often. I do too. Sorry not to cut you off, but
33:08
no, But but I guess that's the point I'm trying to make, right,
33:13
Like the culture in the Zimmer days is drastically different now under Kevin O'Connell,
33:19
and I think that's what makes this team so special. It's why we
33:22
went thirteen and four last season. It's why we've won four straight, five
33:28
out of the last six, and beat a perennial Super Bowl contender in the
33:34
forty nine Ers beat the sixth best defense in the Atlanta Falcons on the road
33:38
at their place as underdogs, as a guy who didn't even yeah, I
33:43
know the guy's playing next to Yeah. He's literally like, Okay, you're
33:49
Garrett and you're Brian, and you're okay, all right. I saw a
33:53
video he was on. I think he's been on a few podcasts since the
33:57
game, but he's Somebody asked him like, did you really not know anybody's
34:00
name? He's like, I knew a few first names, I knew a
34:04
couple of nicknames, but I think I still doesn't know everybody. I think
34:08
I saw something from practice today that he was making it his goal to learn
34:15
all of the guys on the fifty three man roster before the game on Sunday,
34:20
which that's honorable, but like, dude, I'm more concerned about the
34:22
playbook. I teach high school, and I've got seventy five students and I'm
34:28
it's November. I've had these kids since August, and I'm still struggling with
34:31
some of their names, So if he can do that before Sunday, that
34:37
whole thing kind of reminded me. In college, I had a job where
34:38
I worked at the athletic facilities doing like a little bit of security and like
34:44
facility maintenance and stuff like that. And there's probably I don't know, ten
34:49
to fifteen of us that were on the team that did that. We worked
34:52
the athletic events and stuff, and there were some times that we did like
34:59
we removed the baske bucourt and the football turf, and you know, long
35:01
hours of like being right next to each other and joking around and working hard.
35:06
And I did that for what all four years. I even in the
35:13
moment, couldn't have told you many of their names, and to the point
35:17
that, like I remember one time we were out somewhere and I saw one
35:21
of them and I talked to him for like an hour and we were chatting
35:24
and hanging out, and you know when we went our separate ways. My
35:29
wife my wife now who was my fiance at the time, maybe my wife
35:32
then, I don't know either way, She's like, oh, who is
35:36
that? And I was like, it's some guy I work with. Oh
35:37
it's his name. I have no idea. But I knew that dude,
35:43
I know him now, but nope, didn't didn't know his name. So
35:45
like, names are hard, So Josh, we got you, like the
35:51
team's got you. Names are good to know. But playbook, let's worry
35:55
about the playbook and playbook get some chemistry with I'd rather you know like how
36:02
I'd rather you know how JJ wants the ball throne to him than know his
36:07
name, if that makes sense. Which you're gonna know JJ's name. And
36:12
that's an important update. We don't get JJ back this week. He won't
36:15
be probably not. It hasn't been official. Well, it's it's kind of
36:21
unofficially. I think the writing on the wall. I think the coach today
36:24
did kind of say like it would be a little aggressive. I forget the
36:29
terms. He used a little aggressive to say that he'd be back this week.
36:34
So I don't expect him back this week. Yeah, I would say
36:37
earliest next week on the road at Denver. Yeah maybe, And I agree,
36:43
but we'll say today this afternoon on Wednesday, they did designate him to
36:49
return to practice, so I, if I understand it correctly, they have
36:53
twenty one days from today to decide if they're going to actually activate him to
36:59
the act roster, take him off IR or if he's going to be shut
37:02
down. I think for the rest of the year, he'd almost have to
37:06
be. And I don't know what the timing had to be for them to
37:12
designate him to return, like if they had to do it today or if
37:15
they had some time to do that, But if they did have time to
37:19
do that, then doing it today seems like a good sign. Like again,
37:24
probably not this week against the Saints, but if it's next week against
37:29
the Broncos, like that's that's pretty exciting. Like yeah, and I saw
37:34
another tweet. Sometime we should be better about liking these tweets and remembering them.
37:39
But somebody said, like, yeah, isn't it kind of crazy that
37:43
at this moment, maybe it was Dustin Baker at this moment, getting the
37:46
idea of getting JJ back kind of seems like like a little cherry on top
37:52
of everything, Like this whole the last six games have been pretty fun.
37:58
You know, we've only lost one of them, and after everything's been going
38:02
on, you know, you have two achilles tears, you have a concussed
38:07
third string quarterback, your initial backup was already on IR when your MVP like
38:14
quarterback went down. The running game still hasn't figured it all out. The
38:19
defense has been figuring it out. But after all that, like you're five
38:23
and one in your last six games, right, yeah? Is all right?
38:25
Yep? And you might get JJ back. And that's kind of like
38:30
a footnote of what you're talking about, Like, that's awesome to think about
38:35
one of the best players in the league coming back. As a footnote,
38:38
let's go that that kind of seems very Vikings, like, oh yeah,
38:44
well, and it'll be fascinating to see what unfolds with effectively two wide receiver
38:51
ones. I mean, oh my gosh, Jordan Addison has been playing out
38:53
of his mind and he's a huge reason why you haven't really felt the loss
38:59
of j I mean, you couldn't expect him to be. What other rookie
39:07
wide receiver can you name that's better than him right now, or at least
39:12
playing better than him right now? I don't think any of them. I
39:14
think he's he's definitely the best rookie wide receiver. He's one of the better
39:17
wide receivers in the league right now, at the pace he's been the last
39:22
month or so. If you make that the whole season. He's definitely his
39:27
numbers are up there with Tyreek Hill and stuff. He leads the team in
39:30
touchdown receptions with seven right now. I was looking at stats a little bit
39:36
earlier. The Vikings right now have three players with over five hundred receiving yards
39:42
JJ, Jordan Addison and TJ. And again, that's another thing we can
39:46
say that's been awesome. As TJ. He had some dropping issues, but
39:52
that hasn't been a huge problem the last handful of weeks. I mentioned the
39:57
defense a little bit earlier. That was kind of a concern they couldn't stop
40:00
the run, but they've kind of turned it around enough that, like now
40:06
it seems like definitely Brian Flores is getting a head coaching job, but I
40:09
wish like he wouldn't and he would stay for there's no salary cap on coaching
40:15
positions, so Wilf's if you're listening, you probably aren't, but no,
40:21
they'll never hear us. Well if they are, you know, let's let's
40:23
make that happen because it'd be great to have a defensive mind like that around
40:29
for a few years. Yeah, let's make is making Kaos's job that much
40:34
easier when you when you have to worry about a quarterback that's been with you
40:38
for four days, you don't also want to have to worry about how Daniel
40:43
Hunters playing, which that guy is a freaking monster. At least my number
40:47
one on re sign leads the league in sacks right now with ten? Is
40:51
he still the leader after I think I think there's like three tied at nine
40:55
and a half, but he's the sole leader with ten. Nice? How
41:00
about he didn't get any sacks last week, but he still he broke the
41:06
game mid second quarter when it was after that weird like interception that was actually
41:13
a fumble the falcon stand to the goal line. He was solely responsible for
41:20
at least two of those plays not getting into the end zone. Yeah,
41:24
we watched those together. He was insane. He was just shutting like he
41:29
was a wall. Yeah. Somebody pointed it out today. I will Raggetts
41:35
if that's how you say his name on Twitter. I think it was him
41:37
that tweeted out it was one of the all twenty two clips video clips,
41:43
and one of those two insane plays at the goal line, Danil Hunter literally
41:47
like picked up John new Smith and threw him into b John Robinson. So
41:53
Hunter didn't get the tackle on that play. I think that's the one if
41:55
you're looking back, the one where Danil's helm it actually came off. Oh
42:01
yeah, I'm been rolling around right before his helmet got popped off. He
42:06
like threw I'm pretty sure it was Johnny Smith into the running back and which
42:10
bounced him back, and then you know, other vikings were able to get
42:14
into him. Like it's like he was possessed for a couple of plays and
42:20
was not going to let the Falcons score a touchdown and it was awesome.
42:24
Well, there was another one where he wasn't directly involved in the tackle,
42:30
but Tyler Algier was the ball carrier and he kind of like got up to
42:35
I don't know the three or the two, and Danil was there, disrupted
42:39
the play and then like five or six other vikings just pushed him back and
42:44
he ended up getting tackled for a loss back at the like five or the
42:46
six or something like that. So yeah, the defense played great all game.
42:52
Byron Murphy had that interception, Oh yeah, and how many almost near
42:55
intersect There was like three near interceptions and they got their hands on the ball
43:01
quite a bit. Yeah, I'm pretty sure. Paul Allen said in the
43:05
like play of the bier Murphy interception, He's like, yes, bier Murphy
43:08
gets the interception. You knew Taylor Heineke was gonna give us one, Like
43:13
yeah, and that's just kind of the gunslinger mentality Taylor Heineke has. But
43:19
yeah, you knew, you knew they were going to get a turnover,
43:22
and it just it was so it was so awesome to see. That was
43:24
a We've had some fun games to watch lately, even with the devastating Kirk
43:31
injury. And well, how about before we talk about Cam Aker's injury.
43:37
Have I know you've seen the play, the one blocked for Josh Dobbs.
43:42
Yeah, Dobbs decided to run it around and Cam was like, oh,
43:45
we're doing this. He is a huge block on a dude, a defensive
43:49
lineman. He just cleats him, like decletes him. It's oh, my
43:55
goodness, that was such a great play. It was awesome and that I've
44:01
been a Cam Akers fan this year. When I was looking at stats earlier,
44:06
I was kind of surprised to see that Akers only has like one hundred
44:07
and seventy something Viking rushing yards this year and obviously he tore his achilles.
44:15
His season is over. I mean, maybe his Vikings career, maybe his
44:20
whole career is over. I can't imagine going through two different achilles tears.
44:25
But if he can come back, I want him back. I want him
44:29
as a Viking just because of that play. And he had a great game
44:32
too, he was a great assisting player, and yeah he didn't have a
44:37
ton of rushing yards against the Falcons. But when you think about where a
44:40
lot of those tailbacks line up in kind of this modern NFL where it's not
44:46
the quarterback under center all the time, but the quarterbacks back in the shotgun
44:51
quite a bit, and those tailbacks are shoulder to shoulder, You've got to
44:54
imagine cam Akers and Alex Madison are analyzing the d fence like a quarterback in
45:00
some of those moments, and then maybe not in the moment, but on
45:05
the sideline telling Josh Dobbs like, this is what I saw, this is
45:09
what they're giving us, this is what we typically do in those situations.
45:14
May they may have stepped in and helped out, Yeah, but we didn't
45:17
even realize that play that cam Akers was a block. Well no, well,
45:22
the block. Sure, but like when I because I think I went
45:25
to the bathroom or something, I came back to you and I was like,
45:29
oh, they're tweeting. Cam Akers probably got another it was crazy late
45:36
in the third quarter. I think that's a rough play. He's been playing
45:38
really good. I want him back as a Viking. Yeah, if he
45:43
can, if he can work his way back, because that's not a small
45:45
injury and he should know. I mentioned a week or two ago on the
45:50
podcast, like Kirk has a guy that can talk him through his injury on
45:53
his team, because cam Akers came back and now they're going to be rehabbing
45:58
together. Yep, yep. I did read something somewhere that you read all
46:07
of these predictions of like hot takes that people have. One of the hot
46:12
takes was Alexander Madison will be one of the worst performing rushers in Viking's history
46:21
over the course of a season. And I don't know that I like that
46:25
hot take necessarily, and I like to think maybe a little more holistically because
46:31
he's been pretty effective and the tandem cam Akers and Alexander Madison together have been
46:38
effective and obviously we have some other backs. Ty Chandler could get thrown into
46:44
the mix. Kenna noongu is now back from ir Yeah, I think I
46:50
think it was Wes Phillips offensive coordinators said the other day one of the coaches
46:55
said, like, you're gonna see a lot more ty Chandler. Somebody asked
47:00
them about, like, what do you do at the run game now that
47:02
King Akers is out? And the response was, you'll see a lot more
47:05
ty Chandler, which he's got some size and speed. And I mean,
47:10
obviously it wasn't clicking fully early in the season, but maybe losing your job
47:16
to a guy that gets traded to your team kind of wakes you up a
47:20
little bit. Maybe the pressure gets taken off so you figure some stuff out
47:23
in a less pressure situation. I don't know if he turns out to be
47:29
a really good RB one B, you know, because I don't think I've
47:34
said it before. Alex Madison, I don't think he's a true number one
47:37
back, and he's proving that so far. I think he's really good as
47:43
the like thunder to someone else's lightning. M H and I don't think there's
47:47
anything wrong with that. If you think of Ladadian, Tomlinson and Michael Turner
47:52
from back in the day, like those guys made each other better, Like
47:58
you gotta have that chaine of pace, you know, running back duo.
48:02
It definitely in this NFL and on this past first team. And I guess
48:08
the reason I brought that up isn't because I don't necessarily agree with that.
48:14
But even if Alexander Madison ends the season with historically low numbers for a starter,
48:22
for a starting RB one, I still think he's contributed a lot more
48:28
than his running stats will show. He has a receiving touchdown or two at
48:32
least a couple well, and even that huge, that big like seventy yard
48:37
or sixty yard play that Jaren Hall through to him. Yeah, I think
48:38
it was like forty but still like it was. It kind of opened the
48:43
big chunk play. And so I think those are things that don't show up
48:47
on a rushing stat line, that don't really communicate how impactful he's been to
48:53
this team. So I don't know. I don't know that I agree with
48:58
a hot take like that. Yeah, I don't either. The Vikings.
49:00
The Vikings have proved this season that they are a pass first team and the
49:05
passing game sets up the running game. Ideally, it's the other way around,
49:09
Like that's traditionally how offenses work. The rushing game sets up the pass
49:16
game. I think the NFL is changing, though, it's definitely more of
49:20
a passing league. So yes, I think in like the days of Adrian
49:24
Peterson, not like this most recent era of football. Yes, you ran
49:31
on first down to maybe hopefully pass on second down and to make the play
49:37
action true, you know, hold the defense true on a play action play.
49:42
I think it's changing up a little bit, not to the point that
49:45
you ever get rid of the run game, like that's just crazy. But
49:51
yeah, I agree with you. I don't think Alex has been the worst
49:54
starting running back in Vikings history, especially when you add in his ability to
50:01
pick up past blocks and actually catch the ball when he needs to. He's
50:07
been okay, it's just the whole run game has been frustrating. Do you
50:12
think they consider anything crazy like signing a free agent like Adrian Peterson. I
50:16
think, and I'm pretty sure it was Wes Phillips who gave that ty Chandler
50:22
answer. I think that comment saying you'll see a lot more ty Chandler kind
50:29
of answers that question you just asked. They've got enough bodies in the running
50:35
back room. Like you said, Kene Wong wus he's coming back. Has
50:38
he been activated? We should know that. I don't think he was active
50:40
this week, this last week against Atlanta, but he might be, and
50:45
I would maybe expect him to be. You have the injury, Yeah he's
50:49
not. I don't believe he's on the range. I think he's on it
50:51
now. So I think we might see him like returning punts or kicks maybe
50:54
at the very least well. And it seems like, I mean, they're
50:58
pretty good with ty Chandler being the main kick returner. He had that one
51:04
big one that was called back in the Packer game. But I don't know.
51:10
I I feel there's got to be something with wan Wu. Like he's
51:16
he's had the chances, you know, to be able to get into the
51:22
lineup as a running back. He just never never been in there. So
51:25
I don't know what the hold up is for him. And maybe now with
51:30
Cam Akers out indefinitely, you know, maybe maybe that's his opportunity to step
51:36
in and shine. Maybe, I mean that seems to be what the coaches
51:39
are willing to do right now. You never know, I mean Adrian Peterson
51:46
is out there, he's a free agent. I would be shocked and appalled
51:52
if if they signed him to come back. That would be a that would
51:55
be a blockbuster free agent signing. Talk about a footnote on this season alone,
52:00
Like, yeah, that'd be crazy. But no, no, I'm
52:06
not saying that's gonna happen. I think Josh Stabs is gonna run for two
52:08
thousand yards before Adrian Peterson gets signed to any team again, let alone the
52:14
Bikings. Yeah that's that's yeah, But yeah, I think at the moment,
52:20
they're they're content with the guys they have. We haven't heard any buzz
52:23
about them working out any running backs. Obviously, they can't trade for any
52:29
at this moment because we're past the trade deadline. I don't know if they
52:32
would have to begin with. Like even so, let's just say the trade
52:37
deadlines a week from now, and you know cam Akers is out, Like,
52:42
who would you trade the house for Derrick Henry? Like they didn't They
52:46
already didn't trade for him, so like right, and I don't even know,
52:52
there's no big name out there on the free agent market, even if
52:57
a guy like Josh Elliott is that Yeah, the that's that is his name,
53:04
Josh, I should know this. He's he was a pro bowler,
53:07
what the Cowboys. He's a Patriot now. Ezekiel Elliot. Ezekiel is such
53:15
a close name to Josh. That's how I can get on that. Even
53:17
if he had still been a maybe year. I don't know. These uh,
53:22
these millstream beers are too good, even if like Ezekiel Elliott was still
53:28
a free agent, like, I don't think he's I don't feel like the
53:30
Vikings would go out of their way to sign a name like that. Obviously,
53:36
he's a Patriot now, so he's not even out there. But I
53:38
think they're good with who they have now. If you go another couple of
53:42
weeks and you see in game and in practice how the team looks without that
53:47
one B and Cam Akers, maybe they rethink it then, but I think
53:52
right now they're good well. And maybe these more mobile quarterbacks Josh Dobbs and
53:57
Jaron Hall, maybe they're enough to satisfy what we need to do in the
54:02
running game to supplement what those true running backs are doing. And they can
54:07
kind of carry the the other parts of the rushing game on their own,
54:15
and yea be productive. Who knows what what do you think? Should we
54:19
move on to the Saints game? Officially? Yeah? Yeah, I think
54:23
the Saints game is really interesting. I think the Saints are not as good
54:29
of a team as their record indicates. I did a little math today.
54:37
The Saints haven't really beaten anybody of note. All of their wins are against
54:44
losing teams or teams with sub five hundred records. I think, did I
54:50
write it down there? I wrote it down, So yeah, you put
54:52
it down. Remind me you said their wins come against teams with a combined
54:57
record of twelve and thirty one. This yeas Yeah, and the Vikings.
55:02
I'll admit I looked at the Vikings as well. We're not as impressive.
55:07
We're not much more impressive. The Vikings are not much more impressive than the
55:12
Saints in that category. But I would say the win against the forty nine
55:16
ers was a very signature win, a statement win, and the Saints just
55:22
don't have one of those. Granted, that win was with Kirk Cousin.
55:27
Yeah, Cousins, who balled out on Monday night, who played a great
55:30
game. I mean when we talked about this in that episode, that was
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the most complete game in all phases that the Vikings have played all season long.
55:39
I'd say still to this date, I agree the Packer game was pretty
55:44
good. Packer game was pretty good too, But I agree with you and
55:46
still think the forty nine Ers game was better. That's still against Kirk Cousins.
55:52
Breaking news does not play defense, and the forty nine Ers in that
55:55
game had albeit injured. They had Christian McCaffrey who played every snap on offense,
56:01
and the Vikings I think McCaffrey had two touchdowns, but outside of that,
56:09
like he didn't, you know, break any NFL record for touchdowns.
56:15
Defense played well in that game. I would argue too. Yes, they
56:17
were losses, but the Vikings held their own against both the Eagles and the
56:22
Chiefs. Again with the same caveat you gave, that's with Kirk Cousins,
56:30
but in both of those games, that is pre Brian Flores figuring it out
56:34
with the defense. So yeah, I agree with you. I think the
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Vikings on paper should be better. Another stat he wrote down apparently Vegas doesn't
56:45
agree two and a half point underdogs at home. Yeah, kind of surprising,
56:50
which means I think they say like in a neutral site. I think
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they say like the home team gets three points, so theoretically, in a
56:58
neutral site, Vegas would see the Vikings as what five and a half point
57:05
underdogs. So I don't know, Vegas seems to be weirdly accurate a lot
57:13
of times, but it just we're super biased. It just feels like the
57:17
Vikings are better than the Saints, even with I mean maybe especially off the
57:22
high of the Josh Dabs performance, but even without Kirk Like, it just
57:28
feels like the Vikings are the better team. Because I don't know, that's
57:32
the way I feel, But I don't know. Maybe we're just blinded by
57:36
our own bias. We absolutely are totally biased, Like there's no question about
57:40
it. We are beard up Vikings fans, So of course we're gonna think
57:46
the Vikings are way better than they are, but we're also gonna think they're
57:51
way worse than they are. Sometimes you probably heard it listeners in my voice
57:54
at least the first four weeks of the season, how bad I think I
57:59
thought the Vikings were. But I would I would say, I mean,
58:01
we're maybe a little more in tune with what's happening than your casual fan.
58:07
I mean, we follow the team and we're on Twitter daily and we're keeping
58:15
track of the ins and outs, and you know, so, I don't
58:20
know. I think we have a little bit of a leg to stand on
58:22
when we say the Vikings will they'll hold their own. Yeah, I'm not
58:28
going into it like I did, because when we were going into the forty
58:31
nine Ers game, I didn't. I mean I would have put the mortgage
58:37
on the forty nine Ers in that game. I didn't bet on that game,
58:39
but I probably would have. I'm surprised I didn't put one hundred bucks
58:44
on the Niners because I would have won like one hundred and five dollars because
58:46
they were that that heavily favored. I'm not feeling that this week. I
58:51
feel like the Vikings. I'm not saying they're going to dominate and win by
58:55
forty points, but I just feel like they feel like a destiny right now,
59:00
especially after that Falcons game with Josh Dabbs, Like, I just feel
59:05
like they can beat the Saints. Here's here's a little bit of a hot
59:07
take. And there might not be a ton of weight behind this. I
59:12
don't know, but I do think with Josh Dobbs as the starter, at
59:16
least for the time being, who knows what happens with Jaron Hall moving forward,
59:22
but let's say he's the starter for at least the next few games before
59:27
the bye. I think at some point we'll see a slight regression with Josh
59:34
Dobbs. The dust will settle, sure, yeah, And I mean it
59:37
was not just like lights out from the beginning. I mean, he took
59:42
a safety and then fumbled on his first three possessions as a Viking. I
59:47
mean, it was ugly, but then once he got the the bad stuff
59:52
out, it was pretty much all good from there. I mean, there
59:58
was really not anything bad. There was that one other fumble, and I
1:00:01
think it was just maybe miscommunication from Garrett Bradbury, just that lack of chemistry
1:00:07
center and he fell on it and recovered it himself, which was fine.
1:00:13
But I mean, other than those four plays, Josh Dobbs had a magical
1:00:19
day in Atlanta. I don't think we see that again. I think I
1:00:24
think the pastronaut comes down to earth a little bit not I mean, I'm
1:00:30
not saying that he's gonna, you know, have a terrible game or anything
1:00:34
like that, but I think he's he's going to have a little bit more
1:00:39
of a realistic game and a little less of this Cinderella type magical game that
1:00:46
he had in Atlanta. I disagree a little bit. I think now that
1:00:52
they've figured out the way that they should operate, they're gonna fine tune that
1:00:59
whole translate the play from the huddle after the break, here's what you're doing,
1:01:06
Josh. I think that gives Koc a little more presence on the field
1:01:13
because Koc, He's not to say he hasn't been, but he's gonna be
1:01:16
even more in tune to what the defense is doing. He's gonna be reading
1:01:20
the field like a quarterback, and he's gonna be in the mind like Madden
1:01:25
of Josh Dabbs. And I think the defense they've got it figured out.
1:01:30
They do. I think we see more than one turnover from the defense,
1:01:34
maybe even a touchdown scored from the defense this week. And I think the
1:01:40
passion not He's gonna plant his flag right on the fifty yard line of US
1:01:46
Bank Stadium. I'm I'm predicting it right now. It's not gonna be a
1:01:51
blowout, but it is going to be a comfortable win. It's gonna be
1:01:54
the second win of more than one score for the Vikings this year. Look
1:02:00
at it to be like thirty four to fourteen. Wow, you heard it
1:02:06
here first. That's what I'm saying. There you go, schull. I
1:02:12
don't know that I'm gonna go that far. I do think the Vikings win.
1:02:16
I think it comes with some struggle, but I don't know. Maybe
1:02:21
you're onto something. Maybe maybe Kevin O'Connell told Josh, like, man,
1:02:27
that worked really well. Yeah, don't worry about like the playbook. We
1:02:30
got this. We'll figure this out later, or they study together and maybe
1:02:34
they'll come up with their own like, hey, this play says this.
1:02:37
So like when I tell you deep ball, just effing throw it. Just
1:02:44
go and trust me that I know what the play should be. You'll figure
1:02:47
it out in a few weeks. But just trust me, Like, just
1:02:52
here's your read. Don't even go to the second read. Just here's your
1:02:54
read. If that's not their run it well, and he's he's he's the
1:02:58
guy that I think you can trust in that situation. Kevin O'Connell is proving
1:03:02
And I've seen some things from maybe some minds a little smarter than ours that
1:03:07
have said like he's really coming into his own as a play caller, Yeah,
1:03:10
and establishing himself as one of the more elite offensive minds in the league.
1:03:15
Right now, they say, what invention comes out of necessity? This
1:03:22
could be the start of like a whole new way of communicating and a whole
1:03:27
new way of a coach playing the game. I feel like with Kirk,
1:03:32
you could just give him one, two, or three options and be like,
1:03:37
Kirk, you got this, Here you go, here's my call.
1:03:39
What I'm seeing the ball is yours. And this might sound like I'm diminishing
1:03:46
Josh Dabbs a little bit. I don't intend to do that, but this
1:03:50
could be like Koc playing the game doing what I do when I play Madden,
1:03:54
seeing the field, being like, dude, just trust me. What
1:04:00
did I say last week about Jaron Hall? All he has to do is
1:04:03
trust his abilities and trust his coach and his headset. That's actually kind of
1:04:08
interesting because I did say, like, just just listen to your coach,
1:04:12
and we had no idea what would happen. Yeah. Yeah, So I
1:04:16
think if Dobbs or really any able bodied quarterback could embrace this idea of like,
1:04:24
my coach has got me, he's been here. Yeah, Koc wasn't
1:04:27
a Pro Bowl quarterback. But you don't get to the NFL and be bad.
1:04:31
Like sure, you're playing on a team with Tom Brady, you're not
1:04:34
gonna start. But like Koc can see the field. I think maybe in
1:04:42
some ways this could unlock a whole new fun aspect of coaching and play calling.
1:04:45
Like you said, for Choc, just trust me, Josh, I
1:04:49
got this. Listen to what I say, do what I say. If
1:04:54
you can't do what I say, freaking round the ball, boom, I'm
1:04:59
excited. I'm about to run through a brick wall off a hypothetical thought process
1:05:02
of the coach right now. Maybe you're onto something. Maybe you're onto something.
1:05:06
Time will tell, right and I don't know. Maybe that's what worked
1:05:11
against the Falcons. I mean, and the Falcons were not a bad defense
1:05:15
coming into the game ranked sixth overall in the league, Like that's nothing to
1:05:20
shy away from. And to throw this random dude that you picked up right
1:05:27
before the trade deadline, who knows nobody, who knows none of the plays
1:05:32
to come out with a win, and to come out with a win that
1:05:35
looked pretty darn good. It was a lot of fun. So hopefully the
1:05:41
Vikings can keep a rolling this week against the Saints, And I mean it
1:05:45
would help too if the run game had a little bit of life. Yeah,
1:05:49
you get some fire under your butt after losing your one bee and block
1:05:56
a little bit differently, a little bit better. Not at the expense of
1:05:59
the pass game, though, do what works, win the game. Get
1:06:03
home, Let JJ come to a team that has is you know, six
1:06:09
and four? Right? Like? Open it up after that, because after
1:06:13
even right now, the schedule is pretty favorable. Yeah, go to go
1:06:18
to Denver and then you've got the Bears at home before the bye. Yeah,
1:06:23
and then I think, what do you have Raiders Bengals after the buye
1:06:27
or something like that. Yeah, I'm not sure I should do. You
1:06:30
have it right in front of me. Yeah, Raiders at Raiders and at
1:06:33
Bengals after the bye, and then it's Lions Packers Lions, isn't it?
1:06:39
Jeez? Close it out? Yeah, well, and get to the playoffs.
1:06:45
It will be really interesting to get to that first Lions game. Is
1:06:49
that Christmas Eve? Is that the first Lions game at home against the Lions.
1:06:55
I don't have the dates here, No, it might be maybe.
1:07:00
Anyways, it'll be really interesting to play the Lions for the first time,
1:07:03
because even that first game against the Lions could have a lot of divisional implications,
1:07:11
and obviously that second game, I think, with the way things have
1:07:14
been trending, that that second game, the last game of the season,
1:07:17
could decide the division. Yeah, I mean, well that first game,
1:07:20
we'll be doing the math. Well no, hey, if we win this,
1:07:24
yeah, well, and the Vikings could have stormed all the way back,
1:07:28
and by week eighteen, I'd say, continue to storm. They've stormed.
1:07:32
Yeah, oh yeah, five and one in the last six they've stormed.
1:07:35
They're they're back. It's a good place to be. It's an exciting
1:07:41
place to be and gosh, hopefully we have more exciting things to talk about.
1:07:47
Yeah, next week, I agree. So, uh, what do
1:07:53
you think should we start closing this out? Yeah? Well, I mean
1:07:56
we're what'd you think what? We're both done? This beer was good.
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